Is Thor Still Alive? God of War Ragnarök Theory

[@ukiuki3834]

There are 2 more possibilities 1. He didn't die and just teleported away to save himself. Its kinda hinted that he can teleport when he does a Batman and suprises Odin by appearing behind him in the scene before the Muspelheim mission. 2. The devs didn't want his body hanging around during the boss fight.

[@xxiii262]

Good theory

[@Zoxxies]

No way, Thrud was right there. There’s no way thor would just teleport away when he got stabbed, Thrud was there and in danger, I don’t think he would leave simply because of Thrud.

[@KaptainKuba]

Yeah but Thor isn't really a character to teleport himself out of harm's way

[@johndodo2062]

He needs the hammer to do that

[@johndodo2062]

@@KaptainKuba he also knew what his father was like, so there's no way he didn't sacrifice himself. Unless he thought his father of the year was going to be fine with him quitting

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Honestly wild to imagine Athena and Thor returning via the Higher Plane

[@Zoxxies]

Especially when you consider what they could do together…

[@thanos2715]

Yesss I could see that happening in the next game

[@doctorenvy9650]

imagine a wise goddess who talks in a sophisticated way and uses big words and a big, drunk thunder god who includes a swear in every sentence

[@BobBob-tr7wi]

@@Zoxxies Thor would be wanting to repay Kratos though no? He, while violently, helped him stand up to his Dad for a split second and sobered him up mentally for the sake of his daughter, so he'd probably want to beat the hell outta of Athena

[@facereality4722]

@@BobBob-tr7wi makes no sense

[@quantumforce4791]

BOY he better be alive. ngl i would love a thor spin off series cause he was amazing in this game. the voice actor really took it to another level

[@FoxUnitNell]

One mortal Kombat appearance for Thor, makes sense beyond omni man and homelander.

[@nathanial8587]

​@@FoxUnitNell fellow Thor for MK1 enjoyer 🤝

[@FoxUnitNell]

@@nathanial8587 right Raiden being a different god of thunder would make cool interaction between their meeting and fight then afterwards throwing down some mead.

[@nathanial8587]

@@FoxUnitNell "That little thing can produce lightning? That's a very funny idea." "Yeah it does, and you'll see it up close and personal, right in your face."

[@FoxUnitNell]

@@nathanial8587 lol

[@Erricane]

I also noticed the way he died. Both Magni and Baldur died, and even Heimdall, their bodies were left there. But Thor fading away immediately reminded me of the Higher Plains of Existence. I wanna believe that the good gods that died and ascended become something equal to archangels.

[@Phoenix-so1el]

What about all the other Gods of the Greek pantheon who’s bodies when *Poof* like Aries and all the ones killed in GOW 3??? Just something to add to the theory lol

[@Dan-cg8zl]

@@Phoenix-so1el Ares body didnt go poof. It is buried in his chamber - u can see it under the ice/glass.

[@Phoenix-so1el]

@@Dan-cg8zl True but in the first GOW he turned into a god damn nuclear bomb that’s a lil more than *poof*

[@kabamgeorge4715]

@@Phoenix-so1el Yea I agree that is kind of weird, most of the bodies of the Greek Gods did disappear, ares blew up but somehow his body is in GOW 3 ??

[@maychal1000]

@@Phoenix-so1el GOW was meant to end there. There was no plan for future games, that's why they just made it like that to make it more dramatic

[@ReleasedBox120]

Wow Kuba’s first god of war Ragnarok theory, this can go down in the history books

[@KaptainKuba]

Alright calm down 😂

[@Zoxxies]

@@KaptainKuba Never! 😂😂

[@kaskovic1993]

Game story is crap maybe that's why lol

[@Grayleaper]

@@kaskovic1993 nah it’s not bad it’s just wierd how it cover so many diff peoples story at once

[@Zoxxies]

@@kaskovic1993 what? This is MY GOTY, and many other peoples, you may think it’s bad but the majority don’t.

[@andray310]

9:25 you do not watch long enough. If you keep watching and look at the Hammer when Odin grabs it, those blue flakes are still around. I believe Giant magic put him in the Hammer. Remember how Thor puts mead on Mjölnir in the beginning of the game ? I think it is an extension of the Thunder God My theory is he actually went into Mjölnir when he died. The games have a theme of spirits being in weapons. We see his body diminish like Fenrirs unlike Baldur,Magni and Heimdell. We see many clues of the weapon “being alive” and Thrud also says “I’ll make you proud dad” before taking the hammer and flying off. What if this is them telling us that Thor is in the hammer and will help Thrud in her journey as a Shield Maiden. Ps. Would love some “DLC Theory” videos lol

[@johndodo2062]

Faye is in the axe so that makes sense

[@temrenalican4570]

@@johndodo2062 What? Faye is not in the axe. Faye is in the light of alfheim. Which is why Kratos heard her in there, so did Atreus. Where did you get the idea of Faye being in the axe? lol.

[@andray310]

@@temrenalican4570 yeah good point. I wonder why Thrud was in Alfheim when she claimed the hammer too ! Maybe 3 parts of Thors soul when into the Light and the last part went into the hammer.

[@xyrots]

@@temrenalican4570 Probably from Kuba's video that Faye's Spirit is in the axe lol

[@MK-jz6gm]

The difference is, that there was a giant that made the sould of fenrir go into the knife. There was no one who put thors sould into mjolnir or anything

[@anessamer]

It is incredible how Kratos went from being merciless to being compassionate and able to find the heart in a heartless man who is Thor.

[@LoneWolfe_XX]

I would love to see Thor again, i lowkey felt like he was underused in Ragnarok

[@comadoof184]

Me too Ryan Hurst killed the role and he could have been out ally and friends 2 dad being bros

[@LoneWolfe_XX]

@@comadoof184 mannn I love that idea! That would be great!

[@comadoof184]

@@LoneWolfe_XX indeed but no Odin had to ruin the moment

[@GourSmith]

Low-key, huh? 🤡

[@cooljool1]

agreed. he was barely in the game and his redemption arc didn't work

[@alexcogames636]

7:39 Still, to this day, this scene is that well made that I can't figure it out what Athena truly meant by "Forgive me .. brother." On one hand, she may be referring to Kratos as "brother", so she showed empathy for Kratos' misery. On the other hand, that "brother" could mean Ares, so she is truly sorry for the fact that she stopped Ares from killing Kratos on the day Deimos was kidnapped. Also she may be sorry for aiding Kratos in killing Ares, because it seems Kratos is worse than Ares. The first time I heard this line, Ares came to my mind. For me, the "brother" being Ares just made much more sense in that context.

[@HitmanHimself]

Nice Thought, I always thought she was referring to kratos as brother and showing empathy for him. That brother could be for ares aswell but I also doubt she had any love for ares, tho Athena never hated Ares or wanted him dead(Until Ares attacked Athens in GoW1) but Ares always tried to defame her sister and didn't like her as Athena was Zeus' favourite child. But when ares became a nuisance to olympus and attacked her city, she tasked kratos to get rid of Ares. So I don't know who she was referring to.. can be either, i incline more on kratos just because the devs might be using that dialogue to indicate that Athena is Kratos' sister.. Now that u have thought about it being ares, even if game devs didn't intend it to ares initially they might change it and tell that in an interview lol, not eve kidding 😂

[@alexcogames636]

@@HitmanHimself I don't think Athena has any love for Ares too, she is "sorry" like "what Have I done? what have I made? A monster even worse than Ares was." It's about the better of 2 evils, "the lesser evil". Anyways, your point about devs showing that Athena is Kratos' sister and everything, I agree too. And the devs wont confirm or deny either of these situation for sure 😅, that is the beauty of the situation.

[@gurburgandr]

Kratos just like ares and Athena is the child of Zeus which make them half siblings

[@robkazer5841]

OR Athena is secretly Mimir in disguise

[@justarandompepe8961]

she probably meant it refering to kratos since... he is literally her brother. they are both zeus's children after all.

[@BBDumfuk]

I can’t believe the higher plain was never mentioned in either game.

[@KaptainKuba]

SMS is just teasing it at the moment

[@williebeamen2x]

@@KaptainKuba where is Boulder body bruh? Any 411

[@Zoxxies]

@@KaptainKuba THEY’VE BEEN TEASING IT FOR TOO LONG KUBA!

[@Danish_8876_]

@@KaptainKuba is your real name kuba ??? i am curious hehe

[@johndodo2062]

@@KaptainKuba wouldn't it be ssm

[@odysseyisland2235]

This theory has me thinking of Freyr's death. He also sacrificed himself to save others. But at the same time, we didn't see a body or even what happened after the others left so I guess he could still be alive.

[@ShadowGaming42069]

He got burned to ashes or exploded. I’m going for the fact that he exploded.

[@thesilentsociety3252]

Vanir gods have their own afterlife they go too aside from Valhalla, it's possible that's where he went after death.

[@notane.real1]

He dead bro, asgard was destroyed and so was he

[@odysseyisland2235]

@@notane.real1 He's chilling somewhere with Elvis and Tupac.

[@lenardbordo9838]

He had his sword, it should not be ruled out. Maybe the explosion threw him to the other side of the world, similar to the man in black of Stephen King's "The Stand".

[@BigManBohdan]

Really wish we got a mid game fight with Thor

[@jetsetdrift]

Felt like it was going to happen when Thor told Atreus in Muspelheim he still had to pay his blood debt

[@ikhsanmuhammad2375]

Yea man i dissapointed that we only faced Thor twice on the very early stage and the ending. I mean we fought Baldur three times and that mid game showdown really building the tension for the final fight.

[@RebornAsASquid]

The reason I love Thor so much is because I think that the way we see him in GOWR is similar to how Kratos probably was when he first met Faye and had Atreus. The conversation you listen in on at 3:46 seems like good evidence for this. And like Kratos, he did ultimately choose a better path when he had the right guidance.

[@jb6725]

I hope it ends the same way as it did with Faye with Thor as a friend from the higher plane

[@Goldscare]

Thor is now one of my favorite characters in the GOW franchise. If Santa Monica made a DLC for Thor's return, I'd buy it in a heart beat. He and Kratos could've been the perfect dad-bros; Once destroyers, now rebuilders.

[@hardc0re97]

This also reminds me that Huginn survived in the end , and Odin kinda had knowledge of vanir magic (as Freya once mentioned i think ) , at this point Huginn might be Odin 🗿 who knows 🗿🗿

[@Stonecoldegenerate]

Exactly how Huginn survived Ragnarok?

[@hardc0re97]

@@Stonecoldegenerate probably escaped through angrboda's portal

[@KaptainKuba]

Yeah I noticed that too

[@Back-ward]

@@KaptainKuba also do you think that the rift that Odin wants to open might actually be a portal to the higher plain of existence?

[@Back-ward]

@@Huda88754 Freya snaps one of the ravens neck, but atreus only shoots the other in the wing.

[@chefboiardeeznutz9881]

Considering this higher existence place seems to span all of the worlds, makes me think that it doesnt necessarily matter which pantheon a god is dying or even the requirements, are limited to that plane of existence. I think you're theory is very strong and pretty well backed with the little info we do have.

[@alc4528]

Did y’all like the 2nd battle with Thor? Sure it had some cool cutscenes but it was still just fought in the same circle. I thought baldur’s fight was amazing because we went flying everywhere and even climbed a giant, there were multiple areas we were fighting in. In my opinion we should’ve been climbing and jumping around the world serpent for the final battle.

[@williebeamen2x]

If grandma had a goober she'd be grandpa

[@danieln3757]

I have the same opinion, it was underwhelming. The first Axe/Hammer hit split open the lake. In the second fight Thor jumps from the lodge with full strength at Kratos, the weapons collide but not much happens. And moments before he sent the snake back in time. No consistency

[@lonick1692]

yeah i felt the same, i loved the game but it was such a weak fight for one of the final matchups, and fighting THOR of all people, a very angry thor at that

[@Dan-cg8zl]

Probably not enough funds for that fight tbh XD

[@GowSpeedrunsAndMemes]

Its a ps4 game…

[@azowzalfahimi385]

Thor is one of the best characters I have ever seen in a game .. Ryan Hurst did a great job .. I hope we could see him in future games more often

[@danasaeed9018]

I Didn't Want Thor To Die, I Liked Him A Lot In The Game. I Too Hope That He Is Still Alive Somehow.

[@OnlyAFoolsHope]

It makes sense that he ascended especially when u consider Odin spent his whole life trying to get there. He never realized it required a sacrifice when his whole life was ruling and using others for his own gain. So Thor gets to see and live what Odin couldn’t bc he was worthy. Its very poetic in a way.

[@trentf4891]

I would eally enjoy a god of war with thor as the main character. Possibly telling his story of rage when killing the giants.

[@logicmeister1821]

Something interesting to note is that all the gods with a confirmed tie to the "Higher Plane" (Toth, Athena & Odin) are Gods of Wisdom, we also know there's something in there that "whisper's secrets", and we also know from interviews that it has a corrupting force. _What if it's actually a prison for an evil being trying to use intelligent deities to try and get out?_

[@boriquamoniqua]

Thanks for the shoutout Kuba! I do want to address the topic of whether or not you consider Thor's sacrifice a "selfless sacrifice" - here's an answer you can get behind: "Its a fair argument to say it wasn't really a sacrifice. It wasn't as straightforward as Athena's. But after his fight with Kratos, Kratos tells him, we must be better, for the sake of our children. In the end when he stands up against Odin, his change of heart, he died for Thrud & Sif, to be better, for the sake of his children. Remember what Brok said, it's not the "form" of a thing that matters, but the "nature" of a thing. His form was that of a Destroyer, but his nature, a man seeking forgiveness. (Its not the outside that matters, but whats on the inside) I think in the end, he changed his nature and it wasn't for him, but for his family. That's just the way I saw it anyways. The way he died and what happens to him was convincing enough for me."

[@theblackmanwholaughs6670]

Thor may be that giant blue figure in the background of that final mural panel... It could be him in ethereal form like Athena

[@Jaxvvs]

Cory said that gods who enter the higher plane are the ones who make selfless acts, which would be thor standing up to odin for his family and to protect them in which case he sacrficed himself for a reason other then himself. (my interpretation)

[@username.exenotfound2943]

I hope thor returns in some form or another

[@theangelgrey.]

And Odin is a wisdom God as well 🤯 They can definitely go somewhere with this 🔥

[@Nick-4K]

I just beat this game. I was pretty disappointed when i didnt get to play as Kratos and team up with Thor to fight Odin. Kinda felt like they were setting up to it. Maybe Kratos will have to grab Thor from the underworld in the next one.

[@hacjj3525]

"Go forth on the name of all father kratos" had me dying 😂

[@big.gib.4L]

I feel like in standing up to his father, and changing to be a better man, let alone a better God, Thor earned his way into our hearts and minds forever

[@Nuni4MVP]

I definitely noticed that as well when Thor died… he had a different death than everybody else’s & it was definitely eye opening

[@MrWafflezguy1]

Finally! I’ve been wondering where all the lore/theory videos have been! I’ve got so many questions about the lore that I only know my Kaptian will answer lol.

[@xarxesmora9738]

I really like Thor so I hope he is in the higher plane

[@tyx8898]

I believe his channel is called Wizzo, he’s had this same theory for a few weeks now. Keeps popping up on my feed

[@scarygreenmonster4130]

YES!!! It begins!!!!! I’ve been waiting for something to give me hope!!

[@Caleberigby]

I totally thought this about the bodies so glad someone else noticed it

[@bryanbarton4907]

Not sure. But I’d like to see a twist on the next game. It would be cool to see Kratos on the defensive end to fight off another pantheon invading the Norse lands after Ragnarok. Could tie up some loose ends and be a unique twist in how these games usually play out. In that scenario I would like the Celtic gods to invade. Maybe this could be where Thor is brought back.

[@travisvanalst4698]

Why would other cultures gods invade?

[@jb6725]

Maybe now that Kratos' forever home is in the norse lands the next game could be us travelling to another mythology to save the norse lands and then coming back

[@andrwblood9162]

I have to add that Athena was pretty much the same kind of a-hole were at the end of GoW3 as the Olympians were throughout the game. She wanted the power of hope to rule of mortals and seemingly rebuild Greece to her desires. Athena is written as being just like Zeus, and she's just physically ascended. That's a departure for her GoW1 and 2 depictions, but it's still similar to her GoW 2018 depiction. If one is ascended to this Higher Plain of Existence, it doesn't seem to make you a better person. So, you probably don't need to be a good person to get there.

[@bmg6229]

Considering he was repented of his actions at the end and his Jotun heritage Maybe he isn't directly in the Higher plane, but his soul has been saved by his Hammer Mjolnir saved him, as he actually likes him, and protects him during the first battle and even during the Bar Fight against Ingrid Maybe Mjolnir is actually Thor at the end

[@DeBroba]

I've been waiting for you to talk about this theory since the game came out !

[@VXLT101]

I love all the lore I can’t wait to see future games and how this will all conclude

[@MuzammilParkar16]

Let's goooo, first of many many lore videos i hope!

[@jayybiggaveli6632]

It would be cool to see Thor pop up in Kratos and Atreus conscious how Athena used to with kratos

[@nishaanthaan16]

ALL FATHER KRATOS THATS AMAZING MAN

[@idk_112]

Welcome back fr.. Missed ur theories man. good to know u r back .. Ik ur life is busy plus u lost the drive to do more theory due to ragnarok not answering many questions of the 2018 gow but still good to hav u back yk

[@tobiaslandt1749]

It would be cool if the higher plane would transcend time and Space, so that Thor could have been the one talking to Odin through the rift and ripping his eye out as revenge

[@mctwist13]

I was under the expression that Thor went to Valhalla. But it’s very possible that since he didn’t technically die during his battle with Kratos then he may have been sent to Helheim.

[@andys2801]

I really want Thor to be still alive whether he’s in the higher plane of existence or teleported elsewhere. I could never hate him. It’s clear that Thor has been manipulated by Odin to not think and to just destroy. He’s broken like many of Odin’s children and followers. I wanted to see Thor just beat the living crap out of Odin. Note: we can find Thrud with Mjolnir in Alfheim.

[@ArcaneMelodies82]

I would have loved to see a Kratos Thor team up. Also hope Freya and Mimir will continue to follow Kratos to the next God of war instalment as Battle companions. 🤔 perhaps even have Freya’s two daughters in the meantime. 💕 Gersemi and Hnoss

[@ladokaraji]

We need a standalone Thor game!!! It would be great to play as Thor!!!

[@Outcastic]

when you were talking about how possibly only gods of intelegence go to the higher plane i just imagined thor as a discord mod explaining random norse trivia

[@brandiniii]

I been waiting for u to make a video on this topic, no one else was talking about it

[@KaptainKuba]

I'm slowly starting to come up with video ideas

[@ragnarok7408]

Kubaaaa back at it🔥🔥🔥

[@theprodigalson4003]

He’s gonna come in at the last second like “miss me” and he’s gonna be our new lean mean ginger machine

[@VictorCastillo54]

Why does everyone forget that Thor is half Giant? The particle effect used on Thor's death is the same we saw when Kratos and Atreus spread Faye's ashes, and at the end of the dream Kratos has when he is on a boat with Faye and baby Atreus. Maybe it's just the way they use to symbolize the death of a Giant.

[@sir_vaughn2018]

Yea and his soul likely still exists

[@slidingcatch]

good point, but if thor is half giant, then magni is one quarter giant, and his death didn't have the same effect

[@fastkid20]

What if his soul pieces went into the hammer? He is part giant and might be susceptible to this sort of soul magic. This could explain why when Odin hits Thrud she doesn’t die, Thor protects his daughter. Just little bit of head cannon cause I’d like to see more Thor.

[@koopzisabadass._.8678]

I couldnt comment on your gmgow part 2 stream but just wanted to say pls dont stop streaming. I really enjoy your streams

[@Nuhuhyos]

Big fan bro, love your theories

[@metal100k]

Kuba, do you think sindri will be able to forgive kratos and atreus? Will he be the vehicle by which the Norse saga ends, maybe involving something from the spark of the world? Sindri is incredibly talented and rightfully pissed at us for the death of brok. It makes me think he might be able to send us away for good and, in his eyes, get revenge. This could also work narratively if he separates us from atreus by making vengeance the reason for us 'losing' another child. It could be a way to force kratos into thinking about a bigger picture and thus lead into the higher plane of existence potentially. It could even force him to lash out again and bring back some of that old kratos rage in order to try and get back to midgard.

[@exfonity]

Hey Kuba I haven’t watched u in a while I love the intro

[@bluelightning555]

Athena died on Mount Olympus, the highest point in the Greek world and Faye was spread at the highest point in all the Norse Realms, so maybe Faye will go there... Also the ash effect looked similar to Thor and Athena's deaths.

[@lenardbordo9838]

If Thor really ascended to this higher plane of existence, his interactions with Athena and Thoth could be between deep and hilarious.

[@UncIe-Ben]

In the first game we see Magni's body stay there, Atreus points out that he did not make his way to Valhalla because Gods find their own way to Valhalla but he did not because Odin closed the way to prevent Kratos from getting into Asgard. Perhaps this was just Thor's soul finding its way to Valhalla before it was destroyed?

[@Nuka0420]

"What more does Odin want!?" "Your silence"

[@TheFriendlyAnarchist]

I don’t know if Thor went to a higher plane, but it was an absolute *travesty* that Kratos never got to wield Mjolnir.

[@ecokrazy]

IF this is true, I think the fact we don't see bloodthirsty Thor lends weight. It's pretty clear that Thor had been going through introspection with Sif for at least the whole game, and maybe the three years leading up to it.

[@jb6725]

I can already see a scene in the next game where Kratos is on a Nile boat and a callback to Athena appearing on the boat in god of war 2018 except this time its Thor maybe talking to him or sharing wisdom he's learnt

[@Brown2099]

Lol Athena again! Seriously tho i thought Thor was going to be resurrected in some way as the way he dissolved (died) reminded me of Atreus’ capturing of souls, the blue stuff.

[@bigfella122]

Very interesting point. It was intriguing to see Thor pass in that fashion. Santa Monica always keeps us wondering for sure.

[@joshuacain9845]

I think Thor disintegrated as a result of Gungnir being a bifrost based weapon, getting bifrost on you in combat can potentially cause a large chunk of your health to be destroyed, and we never see the effects of bifrost in any other cutscene, so it may be that it’s supposed to dematerialize things, but they nerfed it in combat sections so the player wouldn’t just be killed in one hit by it.

[@nonosetradome]

Thor was just defeated by Kratos, he was already almost dead so it probaby wasn't going to take much to finish him

[@FuzzySamurai]

I wanna hear your theory about valhalla. there was a small talk post story about it but it was left in the air. nobody knows what happened to it. since odin is confirmed to not go to valhalla, does the other gods like thor, heimdall and baldur go to valhalla?

[@jetsetdrift]

Baldur would’ve went to Valhalla but since he died after the battle he souls was commended to Helheim like in Norse myth. Heimdall likely went to Valhalla which is probably how Forseti learned Kratos killed him & passed the information along to Mist & Hrist.

[@praveentv0292]

All Father of GOW Theories returned!!

[@procterdocter]

That felt like the sickest opening I don't know why but it just felt like it wasn't just any opening but THE opening 👌

[@izuniaberg1227]

Despite he is god, he is still also half-giant, so his soul could went into Light of Alfheim just like other giants like Faye or probably his mother Fjorgyn, maybe this is the reason why Thrúd was in Alfheim with Mjornir to make contact to his soul. I have also theory that after he died, his soul went into Mjornir just like one part of Fenrir’s soul went into Atreus’ knife.

[@amgdliou1800]

So excited for your videos

[@partymantis3421]

Hugin & Munin(ripp bozo) are definitely some backup plan for Odin, They were regular ravens before Odin messed with them so they probably have their own will with a fragment of Odins soul in them, Would be cool if Hugin joined Atreus on his adventure & perhaps would be torn between resurecting his master or siding with his new friends

[@brianstafford8852]

Thor disappearing looks a lot like Fenrir's soul going into Atreus' knife at the beginning.

[@quickforb]

Ok i Don't remember EXACTLY what i saw but when the Gow 2018 got released for pc, players found a way to free roam in photo mode and someone made a video where , after Loki stabs modi in the neck and kicks him off the edge, we can see Modi's body roll off and lie on the rubble. Obviously developers didn't want us too see that but still maybe worth noting. (also if he actually died, still died normally unlike Thor)

[@mariojazoj2514]

Here we go again with the theories

[@SpeedDeamon95]

This makes sense with why those chose the personality they did for odin. The games can go through the pantheons and then tie it all together.

[@CJfromMEXICO]

I think when we found the last mural in 2018, it WAS depicting kratos dying in Loki’s arms, but after Kratos changed his fate by opening his heart, the prophecy was changed for Thor to die neard Thrud

[@litningblack5917]

Never thought of that more like fate changed since the whole point is prophecy isn’t the real thing which also makes u think that mural at the end If that was there the whole time doesn’t that mean that the mural that shows kratos dying was bs from the start So making the first mural incorrect from the start

[@litningblack5917]

Weird when u think about it lol

[@ammaralmihyawi3538]

I think santa monica doesn't care about the higher plane of existenz anymore. They changed their storytelling to a more simple upfront maybe fairytale like narrative. But I understand you wish to learn more about this

[@KingConnor-zc2mm]

Maybe the spear has a spell on it to make him dissolve? Because freya, when teleport back to midguard, has the same type of spell look to it. Just looks like the same to me. Love your videos man!!

[@jb1201]

Remember when Athena came back she totally changed her perspectives on life, at first she says that Zues must live so Olympus will prevail but then tells Kratos that Zues must die and essentially that Olympus must crumble. Well what if Thor's ideas change and he wants to make the giants come back so they can once again thrive. would be a cool start to a game for Atrues since he is looking for the giants and the two of them have been acquaintances before. just my idea

[@darkmatter-mc5iv]

I love how Odin kills Thor with no hesitation. Just straights up stabs him after he says no.

[@heavenlyweather117]

Thank god this wasn't wasn't another "do we go back to Greece" theory lol

[@sinofsanity6593]

I think one detail missed here is Odin's spear. I don't really remember it being mentioned in game but his spear is already famous; Gungnir. for the most part, virtually any other damage to a god will heal, Gungnir is specifically designed to give immortals mortal wounds it doesn't matter who

[@Rayanderson2529]

The higher color of Athena reminded me of the rift that Odin was obsessed with.

[@crazywave2859]

When kratos look at the final mural where he is worship you can see it's the same mural where atreus cry to his death by the hand of thor. That mural his however painted over, you can see atreus but kratos death his painted over, everything is painted over exept thor. Could this tease that thor will have a positive role in kratos bean worship?

[@rich1051414]

Defying your own nature for the greater good seems like a more worthy requirement to me. Something a rare few were capable of.

[@omarmahmood7128]

About to watch this video. My hope is that they bring Thor back for the Loki game. Have him face all the destruction and pain he caused the Giants, while trying to save them with Loki. I know it won't happen. But it would be amazing.

[@Augustmsb]

To me the criteria to be worthy enough for the higher realm of existence is seems less about sacrificing oneself and mostly has to do with the choice of "being better" one of the most prominent themes of the norse saga

[@thor3747]

Back with a bang

[@jetsetdrift]

What about Freyr tho? He legit give his life for everyone to escape, If he comes back in the same form Athena did then the sacrifice requirement would have to be one of the reason why a god ascends to the higher plane

[@KaptainKuba]

He totally could, but Thor is more fun to talk about 😅

[@Vangaurd_tiger]

He is the only one who died acc to norse mythology

[@MrStreaty122]

A thought occurred to me whilst watching this video; what if the qualifying factor to get into the higher plane of existence has nothing to do with what you do but who you choose to be? The Norns told Kratos and Freya they were so easily predictable, which made the Norns appear to have powers of foresight, because they too set in their way to make different choices. Athena made the choice to sacrifice herself. To not be a proud and selfish God, and instead be a selfless and caring daughter. Thor made the choice to disobey Odin. To not be the obedient son, and instead be the good father. Kratos made the choice not to kill Thor. To not be the callous ruthless killer he was made to be, and instead show mercy, empathize with his enemy, and hope for a better outcome. Kratos’ own dialogue seemingly supports the idea of character growth being the driving force of the story. “We will be the gods we choose to be.” “Do not be sorry. Be better.” “We must be better than this.” “We must be better. For the sake of our children.” My point is reinforced even more now that the Valhalla DLC is out. It’s one massive therapy session for Kratos, demonstrating monumental character growth to the point he’s willing to accept his old title as God of War because he’s now redefined what that means. It’s about personal growth. Choosing to grow is what gets you into the higher plane, even if that means your immediate death.

[@dubbacheezbugga5366]

Another thing to consider is that Thor is half giant, so perhaps when giants die they dematerialize, It would explain the Golden-colored ashes of Fey.

[@Stana999]

Yea but Faye had to be cremated, she didn’t just disappear like Thor.

[@dubbacheezbugga5366]

@@Stana999 I mean they could have been turned in the dust in the bag

[@Stana999]

@@dubbacheezbugga5366 nah they were still ashes if you remember at the end of 2018 they spread them then they become something else.

[@erickponce3581]

@kaptainkuba why is Faye a different skin color and hair color on the jotnar shrines but is white with red hair in life

[@cadeshanley218]

Yeah, since in Marvel, Thor is my #5 favorite hero and #1 favorite God of Norse Mythology. I hope to see him again.

[@QuangNguyen-wi6gf]

Did anyone notice a head statue behind Thor at 10:06, right behind his right shoulder?

[@jetsetdrift]

Frost giants lived in Nlfheim it seemed

[@quickforb]

Also didn't freya's brother sacrifice himself. So if that worthy rule applies, he is probably chilling there too.