Kratos Died and Went to Valhalla! God of War Ragnarök’s Rejected Story

[@KaptainKuba]

I've seen this topic has divided the fanbase. Some peope love this rejected story while others absultly hate it! Some of these comments are so funny that decided to livestream my reaction to them kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2XFaWiKgrWSnsk

[@PELTIER5]

We all know the worst thing Odin could have done while imprisoning him was to shave his beard to the og look

[@ebusive]

"Defying fate" is a much better fit for Kratos than "death as a plot device"

[@popcornfilms1]

So true, they went the right direction

[@cooljool1]

Except he never defy his fate

[@cooljool1]

​@@popcornfilms1 they had no direction at all. They retarded the series and tried to tell a mess of a story. Incoherence was their direction

[@hyperfreeze2714]

@@cooljool1 he changed his nature enough to defy what the Norns had guessed would happen, which is essentially the same as defying fate

[@isdrakon9802]

​@@cooljool1 did you not play the game, his fate was to die and he remains alive after the game

[@rk900prototype9]

When Odin said, “You have a debt” I assumed it was going to be a John Wick 2 situation in which Odin uses Kratos’ abilities to do various labors or kill Gods for him. Also because of the fact that he told Thor, “You’re no fun anymore” insinuating that he wanted to use Kratos. Looking back though this wouldn’t have been a good idea

[@jayhoes628]

Sounds much more interesting! as much as I like Ragnarok, I really wished Cory was still at the helm and the norse saga was a trilogy. Theres so much setups in gow 2018 that are left unfulfilled, it's obvious some plot lines were scrapped to accommodate the duology.

[@alianetwork6190]

you want kratos to die for the millionth time?

[@jayhoes628]

@@alianetwork6190 I mean, It's tradition for kratos to die and walk out of hell lol. I understand not wanting to overuse that kratos trope but in the norse realm, it makes sense. Knowing the dead enter either Valhalla (which is in Asgard) or helheim could make for an interesting plot. I seem to recall too in the 2018 game, Atreus is surprised that Magni didn't come back to life and Mimir spouts something about that being interesting since the Aesir find their own way to Valhalla. That probably means casual resurrection among gods is a thing here.

[@alissoncandatem1896]

I can't let go of the poison on the leviathan axe that's supposed to have an effect on thor AND WHY THEY TEASED US WITH THAT DAMN SCAR FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME UNTIL THE END

[@HandsomeWaver]

@@alissoncandatem1896well, it did have an effect on Thor. While you’re in Asgard as Atreus, you hear some Aesir speak of Forseti, and how he believes someone is trying to poison Thor. They casually laugh about it because what such fool would dare to poison Thor? Anyway, thanks to the poison, the wound never healed, possibly leaving Thor in a weakened state. I believe it did weaken him as when Odin thrusts his spear into Thor, it kills him, yet he plunged his spear in Thor’s scapula (closer to the heart, but not directly in the heart). And seeing how Kratos stabbed him multiple times with the blades of chaos right before his encounter with Odin, it may have fatigued him greatly to where he could no longer keep up.

[@KB-ce5sh]

No it doesn't

[@NeoAndersonChannel1]

When Zues appeared in Helheim and Mimir said to never go there, I was really hoping Kratos would go there in Ragnarok. I actually thought Santa Monica would have brought the whole 17 year arc full circle and somehow Kratos would resurrect Zues and Zues ends up figthing Odin at Ragnarok.

[@pluviosaurus05]

That shit would be cool.

[@lonewanderer1328]

zues with his blade. Now purified from the fear, able to help his Son

[@Laddie66]

Thank god he’s back even though he needed a break ❤

[@god1of8violance7]

Thank kratos

[@Cool_Con19]

Don’t you mean thank god of war he’s back

[@albertapetri9411]

I really enjoyed Ragnarok don’t get me wrong, but I feel like they could’ve made the game 10 times better. I was so hyped for this game thinking. Thor and Freya are not gonna leave kratos and Atreaus alone but none of that happened. All the major theories were so interesting but we never got anything like that in the game.

[@Jester_Jingles]

That’s literally what happens when you over hype a game. They were never gonna meet your expectations.

[@daverock9091]

i think the held back its due the cross gen i wish t was more violent thought and more gods to kill with the blades of chaos like in the OG games so yeah the game couldve been much better than it is .

[@alianetwork6190]

stop making your expectations based off of absurd theories

[@Mason-or9xg]

No

[@Homeboy_Brando]

Honestly, that sounds like you only feel that way because you set your own personal expectations way too high. If you didn’t do that, you probably would have loved the game way more.

[@zunny9040]

"I will be no one's monster." If Odin made Kratos his, that would piss Kratos off and would have came back with a major clapback

[@GamersDogma]

Do you think that Thor was suppose to be the champion of the Jotnar? When Odin killed Ymir, the rift appeared and told the Allfather secrets. When he journeyed across the nine realms, Odin found the mask and believe that since the rift appeared after Ymir's death, only a giant could use the mask to learn more. So he created the champion of the Jotnar. Like Ares with Orkos, Odin wanted a child he could raise who not only had the powers of the Aesir but the Jotuns too. I believe the reason Odin wanted Skadi to "bear him strong sons" was for this reason. As we know, Odin had Thor by HIodyn but despite his efforts, the god of thunder wasn't much of a scholar. Its properly why Odin treated him so badly. So feeling like a disappointment to his father, Thor unleashed Mjolnir on the midgard giants. Cursing his heritage. I believe that Lefey (Loki's Mum) was one of the last of the midgard giants, witnessing Thor's rampage. She sought revenge. Meeting the giants of Jotunheim, Starting the rebellion with the dwarves, getting the leviathan axe and fighting Thor in Vanaheim. After failing, she learns about her son's fate from the giants and tries to defy it. Of course, just a theory.

[@HyperEditzz103]

This actually makes a lot of sense, I mean thor kind of changed the tide of a battle by choosing the right thing for his family. Thor would've been way too op against the armies of hellheim etc.

[@ultraviolet540]

Thor also could’ve killed his own mother.

[@codfish2071]

I really wish this game took more risks especially in the story department. Kratos trying to escape Asgard/Valhalla/Hel sounds awesome. A 20 year time skip sounds cool but Ragnarok had to happen soon after Fimbulwinter so that couldn't work. Odin could have messed with Kratos' mind to try to flip him back to what he once was (let his rage consume him which in turn killing most Norse gods...make his son resent him..use him as Loki.. SOMETHING with consequences). It's difficult to think back on this game because there are so many missed opportunities imo while 2018's GoW was perfectly crafted for future payoffs in the sequel. Still enjoyed the game and will always be super grateful we even got a Kratos vs. Thor fight!

[@Mason-or9xg]

No

[@jatman9556]

Honestly the fans might not like it cause they hate seeing Kratos weak ig.

[@Mason-or9xg]

@@jatman9556 he's not weak at all. He's stronger than his younger self

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@jatman9556 hey I know you from a Doom vs God of war scaling video Also Kratos isn’t weak he’s very strong he literally defeated Garm who can tear the fabric of reality with ease

[@TevyaSmolka]

honestly for me I was happy with the story we got for God of war Ragnarok.

[@hritesh9057]

Same here...!!

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@hritesh9057 indeed

[@thebiggestcarl]

i loved it. it was a little rushed at parts, especially the war but man i bawled my eyes out multiple times during this game

[@bladescrafter]

@@zhackito6944 true

[@aerialdrone9948]

Same, although I prefer the 2018 story for some reason.

[@gameover9390]

I starting to think that the remming material from the scrap Norse trilogy was repurposed into the Valhalla DLC.

[@josephprocopio-eq7db]

Game was great. I really enjoyed playing it. Just…that magic that I got from 2018 wasn’t there. So many promises of story and world building that were not kept in ragnarok.

[@Nanobot1989]

I couldn’t agree more. It’s a solid 8/10 but they clearly dropped a lot of storylines they had intended to do. I mean even the mural was a retcon. In the book it’s firmly established that Kratos does not think it’s him. Than in Rag it’s just accepted that it was always him. Just one example but yea. A lot was changed.

[@ap4702]

@@Nanobot1989 it sucks that they had to retcon so much. Feels like a disservice to fans.

[@Owen-sx4jj]

It's a result of changing directors. You definitely will not get the same vision. Cory was about that personal relationship but also had some spectacle, epicness and power feats. Eric was only about "I'm your father and you my son..." "now cry audience it's a good game right?"

[@truthcrusader360]

So glad this didn’t happen as it wouldn’t make sense to hold on to, even just partially speaking, someone’s death and trying to bring them back up to 20 years as if Kratos from death couldn’t come back immediately himself.

[@maxfordgaming9278]

Everytime kratos died in the original he always needed help. He didn't just come back on his own.

[@truthcrusader360]

@@maxfordgaming9278 Technically he healed himself in GOW 2 like he did in 4 against Baldur, Gaia simply told him what he had to do.

[@maxfordgaming9278]

@@truthcrusader360 I always interpreted that it was Gaia who healed him because she says this" his death was something that I could not allow".

[@maxfordgaming9278]

@@brennanbarber7469 exactly, while he did heal himself it was still Gaia that pushed kratos to fight against death. By saying he would be a coward if he were to die.

[@UmarKhan-gy8wh]

​@@maxfordgaming9278 wtf he didn't get any help from hell or gia doesn't even help him she just told him coward doesn't accept death and Kratos said I am no coward then came out from underworld himself

[@Michael-ok2ij]

After watching the interview with the writers I'm glad they didn't do the Kratos dies and goes to Hel story. They pointed out that's something that's been done before and having Kratos die early in the game just to be brought back to life, is kind of a cop out of the Jotunheim mural imo

[@Lasershadow]

And Kratos dying would've happened when Thor killed him the duel?

[@PeachesandCream225]

Yes but their is consequences to his death. Krato literally gets the chance to finish raising his son took away from him. Odin gets to raise his son! Can you think of a better conflict between hero and villain than that

[@omeraktas7308]

I liked the GoW: Ragnarok but I also feel like the game should have been more darker. I cannot put into the precise words to describe but the story of thd doom of entire realms could have been much creepier.

[@Rageousss]

It was supposed to be Trilogy, but at some point they changed their mind and that’s what went wrong. Ragnorok should have ended after Brok died and they came back to the War Table setting up the 3rd one. You could feel the rushed story, especially late in the Game

[@nikola6166]

Atreus is holding Odin like he was holding Kratos on that mural

[@TheAesirGod246]

Honestly glad they didn’t go with this story. I love the one they gave us.

[@YourDadFlaxx]

it would have been so cool to see Kratos and thor team up against odin

[@SoundChristianMusic]

Yeah then we could have had a Thor spin-off

[@TheUltraInternetMaster]

3:13 my favorite Reversed moment, Kuba pls make a reversed version of the fight of Thor and Kratos first encounter pls 🥹.

[@CzeeyTheGamingGeek]

Kratos actually getting dlc of Valhalla 😮

[@DrakenGuardz]

I think it's also fairly interesting pointing out that Kratos goes to the afterlife of whatever mythology he's on. I was wondering if he'd somehow end up in the Greek Underworld again instead of Valhalla/Helheim

[@Prosecute-fauci]

I have 13 hours on Ragnarok currently and just got to the frozen lake in Midgard. I’m loving the game so far. Feels like I’m getting my monies worth.

[@baileycharlow]

They definitely meant Atreus being hit with 20 years bc there’s so much you do with that, they can have kratos struggle with loosing so much time with his son and they could have a more fleshed out Atreus for gameplay and possible spins offs, which I can still see happening down the road maybe when kratos is retired

[@saboorheath7769]

Kratos death/time jump would've been cool... redundant if you're trying to show growth in the series. Odin having the ability to adapt is what made him a great villain. Kratos was key to ragnarok, he kills Baldur. Atreus is what Odin didn't initially factor when he saw the mural. Once he realizes Atreus role, he steps in to manipulate things. Almost worked

[@alex17queridundis]

This game is masterpiece in any way you want to see it, but definitely having the idea of Kratos dying and being rescued hy Atreus add an incredible layer to the story, in my opinion also Thor could have been more decisive in the story beyond being a "destroyer".

[@guynamedbob8374]

Could you do a theory video on what happened to Njörd? Freya and Freyr’s father?

[@oneof1dre]

he died

[@dawipeach8948]

@@oneof1dre To what?

[@bandawin18]

​@@dawipeach8948 Lïgmæ

[@dawipeach8948]

@@bandawin18 The king of the Vanir died to Scandinavian Ligma. Got it

[@bandawin18]

@@dawipeach8948 Lig me bøls

[@Yeeterminator]

Actually he never died with a weapon in his hands, which is basically what needs to happen for someone to go to Valhalla according to Norse mythology. But can’t lie, would’ve been dope as the soldiers who go to Valhalla basically act like Odin’s private army and would be cool to see Kratos cause absolute chaos in there.

[@paulmcpheeters]

During the final battle, Odin should have transformed into Tyr. This would have allowed us fans to see “what would it be like for Tyr to fight At Ragnarok?” It would also shed light on the prophecy, showing that in his zeal to change his fate, Odin only confirmed it

[@glitch30k]

I believe it would be better for the story that was scrapped if for atreus it was 20 years. Kratos would be surprised by how much time has passed

[@hoopsonwheels]

I’m good with what we got it really tugged at the heart strings. My only issue is with the pacing near the end where it just feels abrupt

[@sarkiabdullahi54]

If Hel is much slower than Midgard, that means Kratos would age slower, so we would play as Kratos over a short time then Atreus would save us then we would find out that 20 years would have passed

[@Kumakaree]

Feeling better now Kuba? If so glad to hear it!

[@DarkHadouSage]

I was expecting a giant boss fight with Odin. He'll use his magic to grow in size and have kratos, Freya, and Atreus take him down

[@thomasalvarez6456]

He is a descendent of a Jotün.

[@zunny9040]

Honestly, the only thing that I would have changed to create the large scale fighting is the one with Thor. The same way he and kratos flew around the map in the beginning, they could have used Thor as a way to give us a tour around the war. Make us fight on the rainbow bridge, and then on jormungandr himself, and have jorm get sent back in time during Kratos and Thor's 1v1 to make that more dramatic.

[@kwamemwangs2173]

But why

[@KaptainKuba]

Nah man it would have been too similar to GOW 2

[@RsBanez]

Agree, he should have fused with Ragnarok or something or used his giant lineage powers to grow. The whole game lacked spectacle but Odin's fight is by far the biggest offender, the final fight of the whole Norse saga was a 3vs1 against an old dude.

[@EllBell-wj1ye]

“Prior to this fight, Odin was never portrayed as a powerful magic user” Except for literally every lore dump making it clear that he was desperate for knowledge, magical or otherwise

[@NIGHTMARE_KRATOS]

And would have liked to see kratos imprisoned in valhalla and studying the way to escape than break down the prison and destroying every single one with full rage and turning back to old gow kratos

[@nathanhughes4466]

I'd say the reason that we didn't get this version of the story is because everyone was making theory videos about Thor killing Kratos. They got cold feet, played it too safe and as a result got a game that was less impactful. Almost all of the plot points GOW 2018 set up were thrown out of the window due to Kratos fan boys saying they will riot if he were to die. This happens far too often when creators choose to pacify their fanbases rather than taking creative risks. The game was good, but it wasn't amazing.

[@nathanhughes4466]

Another factor was not having Cory Barlog at the helm as well. His story crafting for GOW 2018 was damn near impeccable and his absence is felt when it comes to the story in Ragnarok.

[@muneebhamza8917]

For me this story wouldn't have subverted expectations in anyway. It is exactly what fans were expecting to happen. The actually story we got is much more personal and about forgiveness rather than revenge. A testament to how storytelling has evolved for god of war. My actual complain would be that some setups for definitely done with the a trilogy in mind.

[@cooljool1]

The point isn't to subvert to expectations. The actual story was non existent and didn't know what it wanted to be

[@Dogwitdabutta]

Good to have you back cap!

[@TheRealRealMClovin]

I don't know what to feel. But in the end, compared to their first idea I think the version we got is better with Kratos not dying, as it would too obvious of a thing to have with already showing prophecy at god of war 2018, I also like the idea of defying fate and prophecy as Kratos. I also prefer this Odin rather than to have another dick god Zeus, just being a dick and not much depth like Odin actually wanting to know the afterlife and what happens after death which many of us can relate to. But it could have been better

[@KaptainKuba]

Oh yeah I agree, we dont know enough about the OG story to say it was better, but its just fun to imagine

[@turtferguson4831]

Thor does kill him though. He makes a choice to revive him. It's an example of the point of the story before we know what it is, the importance of choices.

[@ap4702]

Honestly, I would have preferred a darker tone in general. It feels afraid to delve into darker topics without jokes being made immediately after. The game felt incredibly unremarkable in events with very little stakes.

[@Electro21964]

Norse Mythology is lighter in tone in general compared to Greek Mythology

[@cooljool1]

​@@Electro21964 it's not and we don't need dumb jokes to hide the fact that it was botched by a bunch of people who don't know how to write the story

[@PeachesandCream225]

@@Electro21964 It really really isnt

[@Markeveli237]

I think the version where kratos dies was worth cancelling. It would have been Too repetitive. As a comic artist, I believe a an arc has to reflect the personality the characters have built overtime. Kratos made it clear he did not want war with Asgard. The Norse saga to me was made to portray a calm and reasonable kratos and i believe Santa Monica did a great job.

[@progunantilife4777]

its so funny to me how the subtitles at the beginning are just like "Foreign music" lmfao

[@abraarhussaini7256]

Mechanically speaking the weapons we use the blades of chaos the axe they just feel cheap and light compared to 2018 the sound fx have been nerfed the visual effects have been nerfed the ruinic attacks are disappointing af all the changes to the blade of chaos just ruined the fluid continues combos we could do the spear is good but could be way wayyy better honestly and the fact that kratos did not acquire mjolnir is the height of disappointment like it’s a disrespect to the whole franchise the earlier games the realms were disappointing as well except svatalfheim (it’s good but could be bigger) vanaheim was bull shit it didn’t look anything like the view from freya’s window it didn’t look magical at all where as it should have been avatar ish something it was just a jungle thats all alfheim was just a big round areas with rooms/little areas around it and since when did alfheim became a dessert area it was a tropical ish area in 2018 jotun heim should have been a dessert but it was another jungle not very different from vanaheim niflheim is just there for name sake (the practice area is a great addition) and why is it suddenly white the work shop from 2018 had cursed mist but still did not have any hint that there’s arctic like area around so that was out of nowhere musfelheim was okay it could be a lot better and a lot more important to the story same goes for hellheim okay could be a lot better and lot more important to the story asgard was amazing in concept but then ultimately we just got a small lodge to roam around in so it ended up being a big disappointment midgard was beautiful in design but it was way too small and shallow and it was very empty visually the graphics were spectacular no doubt but everything in the game looked smaller and congested like the enemies and npc and companions they all looked small (compared to 2018) and kratos also looked smaller and less bulkier than in 2018 the ruinic attacks and arrows of the companions were also very disappointing

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Yh the combat took alot of things out and added a few things in which essentially cancels each other out and means nothing was really added in the grand scope. A sequel isn't supposed to make you feel like you could easily go back to the old because they are pretty much the same but it should be the other way round. I felt weak in this game that's to do with the fact that they've made it cater to cancels and speed but no power or heft. Eg executioners cleave

[@abraarhussaini7256]

@@Owen-sx4jj agreed brother

[@UnfilteredMedic]

I don't think the original "killing Kratos" thing would've worked. In fantasy, a prominent prophesy is the most likely but NOT a 100% definitive one.

[@HouseofRedWine]

They originally planned to last of us 2 Kratos? Lololololool

[@xxiii262]

No not really, it has been like that ever since gow 1

[@HouseofRedWine]

​@mihaeljelic7191I'm not new to the universe sir its a joke

[@KaptainKuba]

Kinda but he was gonna come back to life lol

[@STOKERMATHALLAN]

Ragnarok was really good, we have more mythologies to go crazy with ideas. It didn't need to do time travel again... But I would have liked being more close to the action in the final act instead of just running though the battlefield (again, this can happen in other games but I Wanted to spend more time with Jormungdr)

[@KaptainKuba]

Yes I agree, Jormungdr got sideline

[@Bncxx1275]

@@KaptainKuba man can i ask you for going back to god of war 4 about tyr's vault There's so many relic collection from other land Just wanna see it how many

[@cooljool1]

​@@explainDis no the action for this section was piss poor and it needed to have a bigger chunk because it was a major event

[@ukiuki3834]

Welcome back Kuba

[@OneMegaPiece]

The problem I have is how the story dealt with Surtr in the actual game as well as in the cut content. Neither is satisfactory. Surtr and Freya's sacrifices were both unnecessary and meaningless. They had access to the wall's weakpoint, yet that was an afterthought until it happened.

[@TheBf666]

I am glad that they went with what we have now or we would have gotten way more extended atreus sections. I want to play as the freaking god of war, not a kid. They made the right decision. We have seen kratos fighting out of the underworld multiple times, so this current direction they took is a fresh change of pace and just feels more put together.

[@cooljool1]

Not sure what you're on about because the pace was uneven and in the end we got an incoherent story with a main event that never happened

[@TheBf666]

How was it incoherent? I thought the story plot that we got was well presented. We don't need another one of those no-brainer "let's have kratos fight out of the underworld" beating of the dead horse again that we got from previous games. The only downside to the pacing was the iron wood section, but it got much better after that and I can look past that section.

[@Galactica727]

@@cooljool1 You are dimwit if you think the current story was incoherent. It's way better than what was originally pitched, and of course not everything will be available due to time and budget constraints. Welcome to game development 101, clown.

[@IndianaGames]

I love the story, but I would have loved to see this story as well.

[@whoknows2657]

I truly enjoyed God of War Ragnarok! However by the end of the game I was left feeling a little empty. Like when you leave the house and you know you forgot or left something important lol. To be fair I already accepted the fact that one of the most interesting and entertaining characters (Loki) in the Norse mythology was given to Atreus. Ultimately it felt like 2 separate people fighting for the spotlight. Now imagine a game where Loki was not Atreus or Atreus wasn’t Loki. I would have loved to see Loki causing mischief and being far more clever than Odin. Lastly I would have loved to see more of Laufey. Obviously she’s dead however seeing her telling stories to Atreus as a child not heard yet. Or even flashbacks of her interactions prior to dying. Just more visits to Kratos in his dreams. Overall the feeling of still having questions and this being the close to the Norse chapter is unsettling. I apologize for the lengthy comment. Keep up the awesome content brother! Great job every time

[@arrozjunto]

thanks for the upload!

[@marcofioretti6908]

This original draft feels very similar to a theory I made a couple of years ago

[@ThePandeo]

I was really hoping for some Greek stuff. Like an explanation of Athena's spirit state and her appearance in GOW 2018. Maybe a side quest ft some Greek gods. Like apollo and artemis make their way to the norse realm yo take revenge on Kratos. And the whole previous family thing. Does Atreus even know about Lysandra and Calliope?

[@diablo595]

Why is the cut draft always cooler

[@RsBanez]

This sounds much more interesting than what we got and it fits better with 2018. I think they played it way too safe with the final product.

[@Mason-or9xg]

No

[@crazyfire9470]

Yes

[@PeachesandCream225]

@@crazyfire9470 yes

[@danielsolomon63]

I was really disappointed about the story, it really had multiple interesting build ups which went to nothing. I wanted a more visceral Odin, Thor to be more present and more important to the story. These 2 combined do not make half of what Baldur did as a villain in 2018. Played the game twice and the 2nd time consolidated my view about the game even more. 7.5/10 in my book. Don't know if it was the expectations 2018 built but the entire game was really underwhelming where 2018 is a masterpiece of story telling, acting, gameplay, villain, everything is pitch perfect, game of the decade for me.

[@erickcaamal8331]

its been so long since I saw your videos and I'm glad Im watching this video today

[@KaptainKuba]

yeah man Ive been sick for a while, thanks for watching

[@jam5287]

I was very happy with the story. I do wish that we got more screen time with Thor and Odin. And other gods that aren’t mentioned like vidar or hodr. There’s even a god of dreams in Norse myth. They could have rectified their mistake of having Kratos not fight Morpheus from Greece and had him fight njorun or valravn. It could have been epic to see the reality bending powers almost as if Kratos were on drugs facing a being like that. Heimdall was great but let’s face it.. there’s way cooler gods they could have chosen from Norse myth. I also wish we would have seen odins true strength. He is Thors father.. can’t necessarily say all of Thors brute strength is thanks to jörd. Odin is a very powerful god. Which other platforms like marvel has displayed. His emotions affect the way reality works. Once out of pure rage he turned rain and snow storms into fire. Other then these nit picks.. I’m very happy with the story we got.

[@cooljool1]

There was no story lol all these idiots got a botched piece of work and then call it a story. We got a retarded mess that didn't understand why the first part was succy

[@kingmeloo2043]

I feel like they should have let it happen then.After Atreus saved kratos he returns and seek his revenge against the Norse gods

[@someguy5791]

Man I love all of your videos and this one is the best

[@gipro1]

I really loved the game and the writing was excellent, but I definitely got the sense that there were parts that were either shortened or rushed. During the big battle towards the end of the game, we approach the Svartalfheim tower expecting a Dwarven army, or at leash a unit. Instead we just get a pissed off Sindri who took it upon himself to exclude any other dwarves from fighting in the battle. He proceeds to precisely find the wall’s weakness which I thought only Surtr knew. I do wish the overall tone would’ve been a bit darker too. I really did love the game though. Kratos’s development is a spectacle. Got the platinum over weekend.

[@PeachesandCream225]

Really I thought Kratos was directionless this whole game. Atreus is the only one who moved the story forward

[@gipro1]

@@PeachesandCream225 He’s definitely riding passenger, letting Atreus follow his ambitions instead. I think it would’ve been better if Kratos had his own goal to pursue, but for what it was it was well written.

[@CornholioPuppetMaster]

This is what’s predicted in the final mural. Kratos dies in the first fight with Thor, Atreus whispers his soul, Atreus Willingly or by force joins Odin for a while. I think people were more interesting in the tyr storyline and they couldn’t fit it all in one game.

[@pipusmaximus189]

I personally would've liked a way darker tone for Ragnarok's story than what we got. I didn't hate the story we got, but I didn't love it all that much either, I felt it was mediocre, the combat and the boss fights was what really saved this game for me, if not for those this game would've just been extremely meh for me. Of course I have nothing against people who loved or hated this story, this is just my personal feelings on it. My biggest problem with Ragnarok's story was simply that the event of Ragnarok itself was underwhelming. It was set up in 2018 to be much like it was in actual Norse myth: the death and rebirth of all the Nine Realms, so naturally that's what I expected to get in this game, but we did not get that. Instead, Groa simply lied and Ragnarok is just a fusion of Surtr and Sinmara that brings about the end of Asgard, while the other realms thrive. For me, this was the most boring and safe route to take when it comes to adapting Ragnarok. It also doesn't help that for the majority of the story, Ragnarok feels more like an afterthought instead of this giant looming threat that's on the horizon, due to the incredibly slow pacing and the constant switching between Kratos and Atreus. And then when it came to the big climax of the game, even this miniature version of Ragnarok felt underwhelming as well, while the final boss with Thor and then Odin was nice, everything else just felt off. Jormungander and Thor's big fight that was teased in 2018 simply happens in the background, Surtr as well is mostly just in the background before the very end where he plunges his sword into Asgard. I mean just imagine how much cooler it would've been to fight Thor on top of Jormungandr, with Jormungandr providing assistance occasionally, or fighting Odin together with Surtr and so on. The big spectacle aspect of the God of War games was just missing in the big finale of Ragnarok, which is baffling considering they already managed to pull off big spectacle fights in the Norse games with Nidhogg, Garm and even the first dragon fight in 2018.

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Completey agree. Nothing here but emotional scenes to try and make you cry. The gameplay itself made me feel weak. As weak as kratos felt in 2018 gameplay wise, he was still alot stronger. Things like the the executioners cleave or the fact you could create shockwaves with your puches or by smashing your shield into the ground added to that power fantasy but in Erics game all that took a back seat to combo cancels and faster movement. Thor definitely should've had a more grandiose boss fight the second time around but kratos barely broke a sweat and the small hut in the background still standing.

[@Galactica727]

This is not supposed to be 1 to 1 with norse mythology. Your paragraphs of whining is moot.

[@pipusmaximus189]

@@Galactica727 I never said that it's supposed to be exactly 1 to 1 with norse mythology, it was evidently clear that liberties were going to be taken, and I'm fine with that. Your argument is moot, now take your meds and gtfo of my mentions.

[@PeachesandCream225]

@@Galactica727 says who?

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Yup...I've been saying this but the original story did not take any risk and they played it toooo safe and at times felt like a marvel movie (with the light tone especially near the middle and end)with no consequence. At no point did I feel kratos was in danger and that's sad. He doesnt have to die in the beginning to make it better but at least some type of actual threat because the gods honestly still felt like child's play for him. Barely touched the game after I finished and when I did it was for combat but sometimes I played the 2018 instead because it's better in combat in many other ways and a sequel shouldn't feel like that.

[@My6119]

I like how Zesty's basically Thor to your Odin around the end of the video 🤣

[@jordansimeonov1501]

“Time in hel moves slower than midgard” Mimir

[@paulsmith9192]

But,I thought cory wrote the entire gow complete story,before working on gow,2018?but,I guess story still can,change.

[@Darthpsychonis]

Kratos wouldn't have gone to Valhalla. In Norse myth, Odin and /or Freya choose who goes to Valhalla. It's not an automatic thing that happens. It makes more sense for Odin to make sure Kratos is trapped in Hel and out of the way.

[@EtronX348]

I'm kind of in the middle, when wanting to decide on the story

[@kozukiangel5248]

I hope you had a wonderful break man

[@D1N0_N2GG3T]

I read Thors part of the plan referring to him killing every giant he could find.

[@shiva19112]

Ragnarok though was worthy enough to be called a sequel, it sure felt rushed and didn't live up to the hype 2018 GOW set it up to be. Wish they considered keeping this time dilation concept and kratos being temporarily imprisoned. Would've made the story more complex and extended the gameplay with both atreus and kratos imo

[@mrmackellar3337]

Thor was gonna show up with a golf club to deal with Kratos

[@stevenhyatt4586]

The reason Kratos would have gone to Helheim rather than Valhalla after fighting Thor is because to get into Valhalla Odin must send a Valkyrie to retrieve the soul of the fallen warrior deemed worthy and lead them to Asgard which is where Valhalla is located so Odin would have rejected Kratos' soul damning him to Helheim

[@wxixlxsxoxn7321]

GoW Ragnarok was okay, but could have been so much better if it were broken up into 2 more games. The beginning was new and exciting, but quickly falls off towards the mid-point. Just not enough substance and things felt rushed. Especially towards the very end of the game. I also really didn't like how they handled Tyr. Sure, it was interesting at first and a twist, but it just didn't make much sense and felt very underwhelming shortly after the "awe factor" wore off. It also didn't do justice to the actual Tyr. Overall: Great game in itself, but a poor game by Santa Monica standards. Could have been so much more and so much better.

[@garretthibdon]

I like the game story better but I still wanna know about the horn. I’m pretty sure tho the horn was part of the original story for Ragnarok due to time

[@samuelesquivel6202]

What i loved the most of the game was the development between Kratos and Atreus, it was perfect, the enemies and the ende of Norse mithology on the other hand left much to say, yeah of course I would loved to se some epic battles as the previous mithology but it is what it is, the most important fact was the journey of Kratos and Atreus and they succeed✌

[@ghostofsparta3636]

If he died at the beginning he woud not go to valhalla because all the valkyries were corrupted by odin to serve him and kratos will eventually go to helheim

[@shawnwatson3235]

Sounds like a great story

[@akkusavage1243]

why they have discarded this story, it was so good imo. Watching kratos die and atreus taking him back. Maybe with a jump in greece after the resurrection of kratos, to take the blade of olympus to defeat thor and odin. That would have been so good

[@youngboy3571]

That would’ve been worse than what we got. First mistake was not having Corey do the second game. Second mistake was not making it a trilogy. Third was not building up upon what they introduced the first game. Lastly not getting the hammer idc what Eric said that was a BS reason

[@mightylion6432]

Except thor i don't like asgards design and odin. Odin should have been more threatening and ragnarok should have been more epic

[@youngboy3571]

@@mightylion6432 exactly and the Atreus sections were ass too. Felt like they were tryna be too woke and modern in this game

[@mightylion6432]

@@youngboy3571 ever wonder how they use modern slang in an era before that. I just wish the build up of the aesir were as they hyped it in the other game

[@youngboy3571]

Also then not making it a ps5 exclusive

[@mightylion6432]

@@youngboy3571 i don't mind that some people dont have money to get one yet but i understand your point

[@vegapreferred9344]

Everyone assumed the Ragnarok Thor fight was when Kratos was gonna sue in the mural. I always had a feeling it was the fight fight when he got hit with the hammers was when he was supposed to die

[@cbf-kkbh]

even if it was 1/10 chance kratos could have escaped hel or valhalla, he still can’t lose his blades of chaos. they would have to make an impossible puzzle of a prison too complex to unlock himself from

[@hunkygod7624]

Playing this clip in reverse does Kratos dirty lmao 3:13

[@BetoTorrero610]

I’ve had just played GOW Ragnarok, and… I really enjoy the last part of the game, it was epic. However, you are so accurate with Odin’s development and the feeling I’ve got with the final battle. Sure it was cool, but it was weird. Thank you for all the amazing videos. I’ve been binge watching your channel the last couple of days.

[@JohnBrown-pv6ws]

Ragnarok was the most underwhelming GOW Iv ever played. It felt rushed and it felt off from the rest of the games which I later learned Cory had left and it made sense. I didn’t hate it but I certainly didn’t love it.

[@mitifox]

3 games is all they needed to make a 10/10 series

[@Helldiver713]

I think it was the right thing not to kill kratos because he would of missed his son grow up n lose all that time with him kratos already lost his first daughter n never got to see her grow up

[@KaptainKuba]

I totally get waht your saying

[@etherealLeone]

0:00 what soundtrack is the music btw And at 12:08 what is the other soundtrack of the music btw

[@chojthoj08]

Kratos is a badass. Please don't make him weak. Glad that was a draft

[@blackmask5335]

They already nerfed him in last 2 games

[@PeachesandCream225]

Kratos being able to beat anyone is so stupid. What is even the point of the story if Kratos is so much stronger

[@chojthoj08]

@PeachesandCream225 the point is he's BADASS

[@slashersc]

9:28 this wouldn't be as much of a problem. for example draupnir has a lot in common with arms of sparta and breaking fate also was a major (if not the main) plot of gow2

[@UlforceGreymon]

When are going to rank the God of War Ragnarok bosses

[@darksouldestroyer2909]

I see atreaus aging by 20 years. Time means nothing to kratos, he even hints at it in 2018 when he tells atreaus something along the lines of "when you've lived for this long you lose track of time" that with the fact kratos is imortal. So it would make more sense for atreaus to age by 20 years.

[@just_some_greek_dude]

Hey kaptain kuba I have a theory what if the reason kratos can't be killed is because he fell into the River Styx?in Greek mythology the river Styx made Achilles invincible

[@longasfr]

Since is ashes are fading away maybe that invincibility could also be fading away from it

[@JeremiahWiebe]

I think in this case, it would be Kratos going to Valhalla, but after he succeeded there, he would end up going to Hell Hime because Oden would never allow him there out of fear

[@exileraptor2622]

Question for you do you think thor will come back as a spirit in the next gow franchise because at the end we see kratos discover himself in a shrine being redeemed but in the bottom right theres a painted over shape of thor in the color scheme similar to the many spirit's we meet in gowr

[@PeachesandCream225]

LOL why are people like you soooooooooooooooooooo thick! Faye painted over the Kratos being killed by Thor mural... that is why you see Thors outline which was painted over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!