Karen Player Accuses DM Of Homophobia Due To A Ruling - DnD Horror Stories

[@spiffiermage0040]

If I had a nickel every tie someone misinterpreted charm spells as "I cast fuck", I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@BlueTressym]

Only twice? You've been lucky!

[@HomeCookinMTG]

"I cast fuck" lmao. I'm using that in my next session.

[@argusroth3269]

I'd have 30 cents

[@dacent58]

I've never heard the phrase 'crybully' before 🤔 I'll have to remember that one, it's pretty fitting.

[@DnDDoge]

Yup. I hate when people do that.

[@JackIntoGaming4721]

Same, I never heard that word either. It got a chuckle out of me. It also makes a lot of sense. Me as player and DM. If I fudge up or something. Or I feel something is wrong I try to talk with my players and Dms after the session is over Not during unless to get some clarification and to understand something. Never argue during the session. That is not cool. I can somewhat see where the player can get mad. But if that were me. I'd be like. "Wow Dm that was creative nice homebrew you made.". Cause I know when I run sessions I reskin foes and use other monsters stats. It's not much home brewing but my players like it and I try to shake it up. I'm going to have to remember that.

[@curtisfranzen986]

@Stumpanelli Some of us DND players were born in the 60' and 70's. That's a testament to how long the game has lasted.

[@dead_vibes]

The moment a player wants to rape is the moment they're black listed and every dm I know is getting the warning.

[@jackofastora8962]

@Stumpanelli my man 👏

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Yeah that dude absolutely had to go, and I hope he doesn't ever terrorize another table again.

[@me0101001000]

As a member of both the LGBT+ community as well as the ASD community, I have no tolerance for people who expect special treatment for our situations. We might have special needs, but that doesn't give us the right to be assholes. On the LGBT+ front, I'm with OP, as there was nothing sexual about it, just a charm casting, a bit like a roll for charisma. It's not bigoted at all. And the ASD angle, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Mental conditions are not your fault, but they are your responsibility. And this guy was not taking any responsibilities.

[@ancapftw9113]

I would have starting calling him "bitch" and inform him I have aspbergers when he got mad.

[@RiveroftheWither]

Yeah, aro/ace myself. Charm spells are not seduction or mind control, they more or less just make you think of the caster as a really good friend so you're apped to suggestions such as " can I have a discount?" or "be my bodyguard.". It does not not force the player to do something they wouldn't otherwise do like sleep with a gender they aren't attracted to or committing not alive anymore. It sounds like op was using the spell correctly and problem player made a big stink for no other reason then they were pissy they didn't get their way

[@pippo17173]

The additude that the player is showing is such a rampant case and I hate how the LGBT gets lump into this because its just cringe and bad for people who are trying to understand them.

[@me0101001000]

@@RiveroftheWither exactly! It's a play of charisma, not seduction. I wanted to give the ThatPerson the benefit of the doubt in that they didn't understand how Charm works, but it seems like they were looking to be oppressed, which turned me off from that.

[@me0101001000]

@@pippo17173 I feel that. I'm a bi guy, and every now and then I get the "lol triggered snowflake" comments, which are kinda annoying, but how this player seemed to be looking for something like this to earn oppression points was irritating. If the OP was actually being homophobic or transphobic, that's a problem, yes. But what happened was the player wholly misunderstood the situation and further refused to understand.

[@scoots291]

Nice daughters:other races aren't bad. *drow describes the horrible things he's going to do* Nice daughters: huh I guess mom was right after all

[@UndeadAngel1987]

I had the exact same thought. You find out that her prejudice is from a traumatic past event involving non-humans and your solution is to prove her right!? Even if the DM were to somehow allow that, I'm almost positive that the other players would've flat out killed his character based on their responses.

[@Ashiel87]

@@UndeadAngel1987 Honestly, none of them sounded like good guys. Encasing her head in a torture device and humiliating her isn't any better. Murdering her after learning the truth in front of her children wasn't exactly noble either.

[@EmoBearRights]

Seriously I hope that the GM said nope that's not happening and/or the players killed the drow.

[@nobodybroda3826]

@@Ashiel87 To be fair, she slaughtered villages, wiping out entire peoples for her hatred, death would be justice.

[@Ashiel87]

@@nobodybroda3826 Two wrongs don't make a right. All that was necessary was to stop her. Torturing her may have been satisfying or even culturally acceptable but it is an evil satisfaction.

[@knottheory79220]

All Charm spells do, and this is why they cause so many problems, is they make the victim have the best possible impression of the caster. They aren't mind control, and they have nothing to do with sexual tastes.

[@goldfencer]

I mean, they explicitly are mind control. Even if it's relatively soft mind control in the case of Charm Person and Charm Monster.

[@WhyYouMadBoi]

Well some are straight up mind control in 3.5 that has no bad side effects for the caster. For example the spell Mindrape

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

I'm thinking this person had to deal with a lot of horny players that used charm person to seduce and gms that let them causing her assholic response.

[@realdragon]

Doesn't charming person means a prson is really nice and not that you fell in love with them? Often those 2 are put very close together

[@knottheory79220]

@@goldfencer I suppose you could see it that way, but unless it introduces a thought that the person would never have had on their own I don't think it's mind control, which again is why people always argue about Charm spells. To me you need something like Dominate Monster for that, or maybe Command is like the weakest form of direct mind control.

[@itsnotdeliveryitsdigorno4662]

hearing all these stories where people equate charm monster/person and seduction makes me wonder how this misconception became so widely spread in the community

[@silentdrew7636]

In this case it's because of the lore of a Succubus, which usually treats them as the same.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

Because to some people, everything is sexual.

[@rorrim0]

Because DnD 5e is largely accessible so you'll find people wanting to do it but not do legwork like reading the rules nor have the humility to say that don't know everything and learn, or think because they know enough rules they know them all. You'll see this kinda thing on the DnD subreddit where people will say wacky shit is possible within the system but isn't actually within the rules or the laws of physics. A popular example is the villager railgun.

[@krampusklaws2238]

Bards. They get played as constant fuck machines cause they "charm" people into sex that now many people seem to think charm person/monster equates to "the target now wants to fuck". Also as much as I enjoy Critical Role, Scanlan being a manwhore seems to be the role model for a lot of Bards or are the example of how a bard works. Charm Person is a classic Bard spell so it HAS to mean "roll to resist getting fucked." Honestly I hate what has been done to bards. There is so many ways to create a bard that isn't whore.

[@batou1976]

Because most people can’t be bothered to actually read the damn PHB. 😒

[@richardduska1558]

4:05 NOPE. OP was very Co-operative and was ready to talk things over. Not to mention that he was very specific that it wasn't anything sexual in it. Furthermore he tryed to make amends multiple times here. The 2 players were just incredibly insecure I think. And instead of talking with him like adults they just decided that he is this borrible person in their minds and than left. I wouldn't be surprized If they would try to presure the other 3 players to leave with privat PM' eather. They seme to be the type of people who would do that (especialy with that last text).

[@ShadowReignhart]

Either incredibly insecure or narcissistic to point of not wanting to hurt their own egos. Judging by the response about the Reddit Post, I'm leaning towards Narcissist.

[@LucaFox]

The people in the first story just like feeling oppressed, but since nobody mistreats them the way they want they needed to create oppression where there was none.

[@lordbrowning]

I don't think it's as simple as that. I do think hypersensitivity to perceived oppression does play a role here, but it's also a mixture of meta knowledge and confusion about the rules. In video games the "charmed" status effect is usually represented by little pink hearts floating above the victim's head. That gives the impression that the character is temporarily in love with the caster. Final Fantasy Tactics goes goes a step further and flat out states that charm doesn't work on targets that are the same gender of the caster. So I think they were just assuming that charm in dnd works the same way it does in video games. Their hypersensitivity and desire to avoid a negative status effect is what made them unwilling to the DM's explaination.

[@LucaFox]

​@@lordbrowning I 100% know for a fact these overgrown crybabies aren't thinking about Final Fantasy Tactics when they threw this tantrum. This pair would trip on a crack in a sidewalk and scream that the government is homophobic.

[@marybdrake1472]

I had to deal with someone that tried to use his autism as an excuse for being a terrible person. It straight up pisses me off when someone does that. Just because you have a limitation doesn't mean you have an excuse to act like that. I'm autistic and I never try to shield my myself from my mistakes with it.

[@BlueTressym]

Absolutely. I am too and feel the same. Worse, it fuels the infuriating tendency some people have of hearing cases of certain people being AHs and saying 'it sounds like X may be on the spectrum', which further perpetuates the misunderstanding of what it's like to be ND and equates NB with AH.

[@marybdrake1472]

@@BlueTressym Absolutely Kit. It's hard enough living with the condition, and none of us need it to be made worse.

[@finnmchugh99]

I am as well... Tho its aspergers and somewhere on the spectrum still I absolutely loathe people doing that especially in things like TTRPGs. If I was DMing with that guy I'd say gtfo faster than he can 'tarrasque' me why. Tho I'd probably get petty and have his character affected by a Polymorph trap like in Dungeon of the Mad Mage or Reincarnation or some fey trickery to Rob his shallow character of the one trait they have.

[@pugking4518]

Sadly in the disabled community you will get people who will use there disability as a way to justify there shitty behaviour I have seen this sort of behaviour first hand and you need to call them out on there shitty behaviour otherwise they think that they can keep treating people poorly

[@me0101001000]

Call me self-righteous, but I'm a person with ASD myself. I don't consider it to be a disability. I struggle with communication sometimes, but it also enables me to deal with things much more effectively in other ways, like I don't get impostor syndrome. I don't suffer from ASD, I live with it. What I suffer from is how people treat me because of it. And people like these justifiers are one factor that make things worse for me.

[@pippo17173]

I always feel that is also the fault of the parents not getting the better treatment judging on all those stories you here on reddit.

[@pugking4518]

@@me0101001000 I have my own disabilities but if someone is treating you badly you have every right not to be nice to them but my point was not aimed at people who keep on poking us with a stick

[@me0101001000]

@@pugking4518 oh I absolutely agree. If they're making fun of you for your condition just because, that's definitely a dick move. I now understand what you're saying. Thanks!

[@pugking4518]

@@me0101001000 I have spent a lot of time with the disabled community and I have seen the good the bad and the ugly most of the disabled community are good people however like with any community you will get rotten eggs like the person who was being racist and when called out on it he used his disability as justification for being a racist

[@eloidasarmi6815]

When my creatures cast charm spells I say something along the line: "The creature uses his magic to affect your mind and now you see it as your best friend for the duration of the spell" I don't know, probably if I will play with those certain players they wouldn't get it in my explanation, but my players understood it the right way in 100% of cases

[@PolyChromium]

I don’t know, the DM who said that they HAD to go to a specialist that just so happened to be in the location the group avoided, and then making them do the quest they purposely avoided sounds like he’s trying to spin things to make him look better

[@elbruces]

I feel like there should be a name for the category of themes of "yes this is present, but only the bad guys do it and the good guys should try to stop it if it comes up."

[@TheSpiritsLease]

Herocore.

[@andreavasquez4355]

I hate how people use autism as an excuse for being a horrible person. You're admitting that you know you're doing bad things and are purposely trying to dodge responsibility for your actions.

[@curtisfranzen986]

One of my brothers is Autistic. He hardly ever mentions it.

[@andreavasquez4355]

@@curtisfranzen986 I'm autistic as well, and I rarely bring it up as well.

[@Michaeljack81sk]

If Charm Monster worked like that then it wouldn't have worked on a straight woman either. Crybully is exactly what ranger was, no way was she arguing in good faith and threatening to Cancel OP really seals the deal

[@ChaosCounseling]

Sexual content is not the same as sexual assault

[@pippo17173]

Incel: Ummm well sexaul assault is covered by this.

[@catandrobbyflores]

Most normal people can grasp the fact that in wartime soldiers arnt going to be offering captured women tea and cakes. I think the dm shot themselves in the foot a bit here by not explicitly saying no assault allowed at the table of a sexual nature.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

@@catandrobbyflores It depends on the soldiers.

[@mrfuggingrantiraq]

@@ChallengeIdeas No it doesn't. It's going to happen, not all soldiers are capable or are going to allow it but it will happen history has proven that. Even in the us military they have attacked their own during armed conflict.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

​@@mrfuggingrantiraq I think you're mistaking what exactly I mean by "depends on the soldiers", and that's why you end up agreeing with me. I was speaking of individuals, just as you are.

[@Puzzles-Pins]

Ok, everyone seems to be saying the charm spell is not mind control, but it absolutely is. It controls your mind to force you to see the caster as a friend. It's limited, but still a form of mind control. Doesn't matter at all really in regards to who was right or wrong of course, as it still has nothing to do with sexuality etc, just bothered me lol.

[@LampseekerForevermore]

A good way to deal with the first bbeg, depending on the level of the characters, would be for the Druid to permanently true polymorph the lady into a harmless cat or other animal and let her daughters care for her. A peaceful life for all parties involved.

[@Kirk9019]

If the party is 17th level or higher this is a great idea.

[@bryanday7570]

The first story is a example of allowing feelings to be placed over facts. If she followed the facts her feelings would of never been hurt. If you can't separate them your gonna have a bad time.

[@2orks1bucket]

Crybully! So spot on. This one goes into the memory. Love the channel.

[@zetahunter]

I really hate it when people use Autsim or another disability as an excuse for doing horrible shit

[@marcelblock2454]

6:20 "The Racist Knights" is probably a Space Marines Chapter 🤣

[@chadnorris8257]

I think the gay couple is getting caught up in the word charm. It's a magical spell that makes you friendly towards the caster. It doesn't mean you suddenly want to have sex with them, whether you're straight, gay, or anything else. It just means friendly.

[@ACOE]

Well I WAS gonna bed, but.... I guess one fresh DnD Horror Story couldn't hurt.

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Geez I’ve never heard of a player complaining that their minor damage trap didn’t kill a boss. Would you rather you kill it instantly and miss a boss fight?

[@WladcaPodziemia]

Best way to explain spell of succubuss is to say "It appears to You as like-and-comment-kitty"

[@Densoro]

Hey, I just found your channel. Initially, the title of this video worried me, because some people think ALL accusations of bigotry are BS. Thankfully, your other content showed me that you call out bigots way more often, which opened my mind to watch this video and find out she really _was_ being a crybully. So idk, ty for being cool about stuff, and being able to tell actual bigotry apart from manipulation c: EDIT: also ty for being so cool about trigger warnings specifically, it’s really made these videos a lot easier to watch.

[@koidandi]

It's refreshing to see a story where the players immediately shut down and admonished a creep in the second story. They usually have people being silent or worse, going along with it. Edit: And then you have the third story where people decide to play with blatant racists. Im tired

[@paulhesketh4289]

Hopefully those people in the first video gain some maturity and see it's important to choose your battles correctly. It makes it more difficult for genuinely persecuted people if there are people out there feigning persecution.

[@longlei276]

When the drow commit the act, sadly the DM doesn't slow down the time so the whole party can react accordingly.

[@richardduska1558]

11:00 I think there was a little bit of miscomunication as well since the Drow player clearly tought that having these sort of things is OK. Not to mention that OP realy empesised how evil this faction was which in some peoples mind sadly gives the impression of "I can do whatever I want with them since they are evil and I'm good". Granted this absolutly dose NOT excuse hes shit, and the fact that he eather did not or refused to read the room. Also it is good to see when the players just stand up and just say "NO fuk off!".

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Thanks 4 all the hard work.

[@neckermangames5872]

I'm curious why exactly Dylan's campaign fell apart after a couple of sessions, was he an extreme railroader, did the players realise how bad Dylan was irl or maybe the worst sin of all..... did he use DMPCS?! I guess we'll never know.

[@scoots291]

The third story I was fine with op until the no plate in the capital type of thing and was in the "place you tried us to go to before". As a player they have every right to call shanagins at that point. As a gm that is just wow. Sweeten up the deal for them to get that armor like minor magical even if it's small like As an action the player can say a command/phrase word and the armor comes off. But that former dm was a hole though. The new one I'll give a slight pass for being new

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

oh, this story when I first heard it I fully grasp that charm magic has about as much to do with actual love or attraction as a high persuasion roll :P

[@Snowthree]

My thoughts: 'Charm does not necessitate sexual attraction as you can be 'charmed' into doing something by a persuasive speaker for example. Even if it did we're discussing something magical in nature here and, considering we have magical forces which can override death itself and do stuff like turn you into a pigeon or potted plant, I would say overriding a persons sexual identity would be within reach of that. This isn't to mention that you are literally dealing with a brainwashing type spell. Your character is perfectly within their rights to be outraged that they were brainwashed and having their gender identity overridden can be a massive part of that outrage.' In other words, this guy is in the negative assholes here; especially since this could have been handled immediately on the spot by the player explaining that this was a personal issue as opposed to a rules-based one.

[@silentdrew7636]

That's a really good point, and it's one the GM admits to not bothering to clear up. Also there's something of a disconnect between the lore and rules regarding succubus charm ability.

[@ttiagoox]

The Succubus and Inccubus "should fail cause i aint into that" is really easy to explain so long as your players arent pissy cheaters. Firstly the word "Charmed" does not mean exclusively sexual attraction, and secondly, words on the spell name and its descriptions on how it works are different. Faerie Fire for example has no fire and is not fairy related. The character is charmed and compeled into protecting the caster. It believes its someone he admires and deserves his/her protection. Not just sexualy attracted, the ilusion may cause the victim to see a beloved relative or childhood friend or mentor and in most narcisistical characters cases, HIMSELF !

[@silentdrew7636]

Wouldn't it be better to make the Succubus ability better fit the lore of the monster?

[@RiveroftheWither]

@ilent Drew No? Most people don't want to play a game with sexual assault. The charm spells they use are the same charm spells casters use

[@thomascripe9905]

That kitty is a squee from me doggo I agree with you on that first one. One of the classic examples of charm person is the evil lord with bard levels charming the male fighter to defend him from the party while he kidnapped the princess. Nowhere in there is there sexual attraction between the Lord and the Fighter.

[@fred_derf]

To the DM... I know you're a new DM and not everyone is up on medieval life, but a blacksmith doesn't make armor. An armorer makes armor.

[@Isaygoodday5]

Joanna is definitely Greg's weird fantasy version of a History teacher he had in real life

[@user-rv8yv4yh9n]

That third story just sounds like a comedy of errors, poor DM

[@StSubZero]

It does my heart good when someone is called out on trying to use cancel culture not for any noble but simply to get their way. Because it's not fair to ever have a whole group of people judged because of an entitled loud minority. Even more so over a tabletop game of all things. Meanwhile, I didn't even know Doge was gay until this video, because he cares about entertaining his audience rather than being a shover. A friend of mine who is LGBT got angry after lost a round at a video game and threw his controller at me and quietly declared he was a really upset. I flat out asked him "What? Over a game?" Rather than accuse anyone of cheating or playing the discrimination card like Karen did in this story, he manned up and said "yes" while realizing HE overreacted and apologized. Said friend has since learned to control his temper and over a decade passed and no repeat outburst occurred.

[@austinhadley6086]

so I was a 3rd party to this event in that I was a moderator of this group during the time this fallout took place. this event is why I'm no longer a moderator. there was an unironic hate crusade going on in the group and we had to nuke, I'm not even joking, over 70 people due to violating TOS and breaking group rules. dude is still in the group though so props to him

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

In regards to charm monster, the player definitely got offended too quickly and the DM gave an appropriate response. It is a point where I think maybe if a player seems legitimately offended, you pause the game and you show them the stat block, even if you cover things like attributes up; it's a consideration but there are also other players too and you can't stop the game every time if that person is going to be overly sensitive. So I'mma say that the DM didn't do anything wrong and the player is the a-hole. In regards to charm spells in general, they are one of the riskiest parts of vanilla D&D; they are rife for abuse by players (altho there is enough for DMs to shut down the horny incels), and when used against players they remove player agency, which can negatively impact the experience. Personally, with all the character's I've played, only used Charm Person once, which was on my Paladin, the character I have played the most. I used charm person against an Orc to remove them from combat, the DM then used it's charmed status to feed us plot hooks and after which, I think we sent the orc home (via persuasion) , or it attacked, too long ago to remember. This same character once also failed a save against a charm spell, which was against harpies. I had a very slight annoyance losing control of my character (tho I didn't show it) but I understood that, that is just an effect of a harpies' song and part of the challenge of facing that type of monster, I made the next save against the song. In hindsight, it's an interesting thing about harpies and being unprepared for their song. Last note on this Paladin; They are a devotion paladin and now has aura of devotion (passive AoE charm immunity), so when that campaign comes off hiatus (soon), that'll be fun to troll the DM with when they next try to charm our characters!

[@redbone9068]

"YOU'RE A HOMOPHOBE!" how did you know

[@YouWillBeHappyOrElse]

My go-to response is usually, "No, I just have an aversion to you."

[@TBTabby]

5:55 This got my hopes up that someone had made Alistair the Mary Sue DMPC into the villain of a better campaign. To say the least, I'm disappointed.

[@real-zenithas]

I appreciate the heads-up and timeskip advisement.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

It wasn't a normal thing in medieval war for soldiers to sexually assault random women. It was normal to accuse your enemies of it as a propaganda strategy.

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

Johanna: Chris, what do you see here? Chris: 2 Ds and an F?

[@NEKOEVE]

I think charm person has a big stigma around it and everyone has a horror story about it. I had a DM tell me that My character would drop their weapon and lock themselves up in a cage at their request... I just said they looked at them like they had 5 heads, and just walked away. Then had to point out it's a level 1 spell, and that would be the reaction. As long as OP didn't do anything else with the spell other then treat them as friendly, OP is not the ass, and the Response to his AITA threat, well, It's good when the trash takes itself out.

[@TheZMage]

I do think that the first one is one of those cases where you shouldn’t ascribe to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity

[@mobileterrarian3653]

To quote Atlus: "The Charm salt is real" (Dunno if it fits or not, but whatever)

[@ThePuppin]

The first story is definitely a communication error that the ranger has doubled down on. Probably because they're embarrassed they didn't think about what they were actually mad about before storming out. You can find a person to be charming without being at all physically attracted to them. It's called magnetism for a reason. Animals, objects and people all have the ability to be seen as charming.

[@silentdrew7636]

Not an asshole, just a case of Miscommunication. If this were any monster other than a succubus I doubt the player would have reacted this way. Likewise this probably could have been avoided if the DM had clarified that the spell wasn't anything sexual despite being cast by a Succubus, or if anyone at the table had tried to clear things up. As always, clear communication is important, doubly so if you're in charge of a group of people.

[@silentdrew7636]

Also, there's something of a disconnect here between the lore of the creature and the rules of the game.

[@pallydan893]

She was unwilling to talk with Op afterward and was willing to go scorched earth, sorry but that is going beyond misunderstanding.

[@silentdrew7636]

@@pallydan893 eventually yes.

[@smof1]

charm spells arent seduction spells. also a succubus can change to an incubus at will so if a player makes that argument easy to get around using this

[@Nyrufa]

Not exactly. Succubi and Incubi are two different species of demons. While both of them are demons of lust, the Succubi tend to be sexually submissive, while the Incubi are sexually dominant. What you are thinking of, is their ability to take the forms of whatever their victims are most likely to be attracted by. If a Succubus believes that her victim is attracted to submissive, elven femboys, she would use that knowledge to take on an appropriate male form. Conversely, if an Incubus believed their victim was into amazonian women, who can crush your skull between their thighs, they would use that knowledge to take on a female form, est.

[@smof1]

@@Nyrufa dont know where you got the idea that succubi are submissive that is way off the mark

[@Nyrufa]

@@smof1 Mostly the fact that their M.O is to lure mortals in with their beauty, and then drain them during moments of passion? According to their lore write up, Incubi are created from the souls of rapists and other kinds of sexual predators, where as Succubi are merely created from the souls of lustful mortals who are addicted to sex and other such carnal delights.

[@TheRPGNerd]

succubi can, according to mythos, alter themselves to be however their target wishes. id assume this includes changing their gender. also, "charm" doesnt entirely mean "seduce", they could just think shes nice and want to help her, and it would have the same effect. they dont have to be attracted to her. ALSO I ALSO HAVE AUTISM. NOT AN EXCUSE.

[@Pandadude-eg9li]

Story #1 went from No Arseholes here to Not the Arsehole in one sentence.

[@finnmchugh99]

Charm Monster isn't like "Oooh I'm now strangely have the hots for this Demon" or something like a Bard casts it on a Dragon... Its more like "I trust this person now" n stuff like affected creature just is softly mind controlled but nothing sexual or on that ball field. Like a Jedi doing a mind trick to have a creature trust and listen to em... Well that's how I interpreted it XD

[@nicewanwan9163]

The problem here is the succubus. Since people assume Succubi are by nature sexual, I see where the ranger was coming from. That said, I disagree with their whining. Charm person could just make you think they were your good friend!

[@KurasakubiSaurn]

First Story - A lot of players assume Charm spells are inherently sexual, and/or complete mind-control. It's not either of those things, closer to supernatural charisma that can talk people into things against their better judgment. Second Story - Sexual content is fine if everyone at the table was okay with it. Edgy drow went right for sexual violence, and that is not okay. Remember the Red Rule; A player-controlled character can only be seduced or otherwise put in a sexual situation if the player is okay with it. Otherwise, any such attempt fails automatically. The DM is also a player and their boundaries should be respected. Third Story - OP was guilty of inflexible DMing, but not railroading. And bring inflexible isn't necessarily bad. Final Story - Who goes to 4-chan for the community?

[@ChallengeIdeas]

What? What's this about the DM being a human being and not merely a plotbot for the players to use to their hearts' content???

[@HiddenWindshield]

"Crybully". Never heard that one before. I like it!

[@TheSpiritsLease]

I think at any point where players tried rape, I'd very loudly declare That Guy's intentions in excruciating detail, then invite everyone over to bask in the masterpiece of their social demise. And as I do, I'd pull up my phone, press record and say "alright, go ahead: we're waiting."

[@Thagomizer]

I wish all of these "That guy" players would be forced to play in a campaign together. They deserve each other.

[@michaelleader633]

"Huh. I think that paladins now have even more fuel for their disdain of evil races. The cycle never ends." some sad drow bard. I've dealth with sexual themes, based on consent. Some players are after romance, others want to try eachother on, but you get the odd player who's into darker things. Generally, erp works in a private chat, unless your group is feeling voyeuristic and don't mind bogging down the campaign with rather, awkward descriptives. I remember being an elf ranger who decided she'd spy on two dwarf pc's through a keyhole to an inn room. Both players invited me into their little whisper session. What they said was top shelf kink. I stopped them, told the dm my character ran down the hall, hugged the toilet and threw up. When the necromancer asked her what she saw, she didn't even look back or get up off her knees, just raised her middle finger back at him, choked out "Up yours!" and threw up again. It became a joke around the table that dwarf sex was an abomination to the gods and likely involved beard pulling,for a few weeks lol.

[@MrGorn25]

Umm I mean I know Second story was shocking and such. I would have shut that shit down the moment he started saying that messed up shit.

[@Beansidhe413]

The player who tried to assault the bbeg was absolutely vile, but the dm\op was not blameless either. Having sexual content is obviously fine if the players and dm are okay with it, but honestly they shouldn't have implied SA at all, even if it was just "to make the evil guys look more evil".

[@RightsForZombies]

That first time DM was definitely railroading. Why would a capital city not have an armorer who can sell them full plate? And if they didn't, and they deliberately sought out a town that did have a master smith, why would they make it so he wasn't there to sell it? I could see doing a short dungeon to rescue him and then maybe in turn getting a discount on the plate mail as a result, but it's pretty unfair to keep denying the player a relatively average item. Clearly they weren't having fun if they all quit the campaign and made a new one without him. I get screwing up as a first time DM, especially when it's your first campaign as a player too. But I was in the same position of DMing my first campaign and I wouldn't do it as it serves no purpose. The one thing I side with the DM on is having some enemies surviving the smoke and fire. I think that's fair but the players were already so annoyed at the DM that it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Your job as a DM is to make things fun for everyone and being repeatedly denied normal armor isn't fun for anyone. Metagaming is stupid but so is denying players things for no good reason. Then the guy has to add irrelevant info about how he's just so much better than Dylan. Gross. Dylan's skill or lack thereof as a DM has literally nothing to do with the situation, they're just bragging.

[@wolfyblackknight8321]

haven't finished the video yet I found the channel today and was watching the story of the pistol packing grandma after I heard about your vid from the all things dnd vid on it good content also on the player who was being a crybully by the way thankyou for that term I personally interpret spells like charm person or monster as comparable to "friends" and just gives you a favorable disputation to someone or something kind of a "well they have been pretty decent up to this point so I don't really want to attack them and I don't really want them to die so if your attacking them I kind of feel like I need to defend them." being less of a sexual thing and more of a friend thing so orientation doesn't really come into it unless its a very specific thing to give an example because its hard to outline the exact parameters if a pc was super racist to a certain race I'd likely give them advantage on the saving throw and give them another chance to roll to break it or with advantage if the caster did something that the pc had a reason to not agree with like a more heroic character seeing the caster line up and execute unarmed people or something. also thanks for putting a timestamp on one of the stories that's less then ok for everyone the one before the 11:33 timestamp also I'm subscribing since great content have a great day

[@wolfyblackknight8321]

I finished the video good content also just wanted to say as someone who has autism that guy is really not a good representation of us as a whole and having autism or I guess its called being on the spectrum now is not an excuses to be a a bad person it means your brain is a bit different and you might not make the same intuitive connections or your trains of thought might lean more left or right then others but that's not an excuse to just be a bad person if he was asking people to explain something or the like because he didn't fully get something the others do that's one thing also totally agree with aku "Mental conditions are not your fault, but they are your responsibility" also just wanted to clarify something with my previous comment because it might get taken out of context I would only consider making a character racist against a monstrous race only because of ether a past bad experience or a reason with a kernel of truth but not make them horrible to people for the sake of being horrible and mostly for the sake of an character arc of "starts out racist again orcs. sees orcs saving people and being decent folk and possibly gets saved by one and has to reexamine his perception after it" to use a example that's not rooted in human history the story of Garg and moonslicer for a character whos racist to orcs seeing Garg save people could be interesting

[@tydaw1783]

As a representative of the alphabet mafia charm is not seduction.

[@iank472]

The "You can't modify monsters because we were only allowed to make characters with the Players Handbook!" argument is possibly the dumbest statement I have heard in a long time! By that logic there no campaign (if it's from a prewritten book) and if we want to be super literal no monsters other than PC races, no treasure other than basic gear and no setting because "That's not in the PHB!".

[@Kennabon]

That Dylan guy sucks lol it was for the best that all the trash took itself out lol

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

Easy solution to the first story: The succubus turns into the opposite sex (because that's someþing they can do)

[@StateBlaze1989]

OP is definitely not the asshole in that first one. Like you said, it was more an asshole player using their personal identity as a weapon because they didn't like an outcome. I get the feeling this girl would also be the type to raise a stink because their bard's persuasion roll didn't immediately convince a happily married noble to sleep with them.

[@DnDDoge]

Yeah, people that do that type of thing grinds my gears.

[@silentdrew7636]

@@DnDDoge Do you think this would have happened with any other monster?

[@DnDDoge]

@@silentdrew7636 not sure. Maybe the fact that it was a succubus was the catalyst of it given that creatures lore

[@silentdrew7636]

@@DnDDoge Yeah, you always run into weird issues when the lore and rules don't match up like this.

[@pallydan893]

@@DnDDoge I wonder if it were an incubus if she would have gone whole ham with unwarranted affection regardless of whether or not anything seductive happened

[@axelwulf6220]

The only time I would throw wild accusations of Railroading, is if we're not allowed any deviation or anything in the way of exploration I did get a bit of railway, but that's only because our then DM hasn't been able to play for a long time and is out of practice, the other Player and I agreed it would make a bit more sense if we had a bit of role play interaction first, before actually starting anything You know, to get our characters to be introduced to each other

[@BlueBeluga]

IF the spell was "Seduce" I would side with the player. This situation was definitely just the player being salty that she lost a saving roll (Take it from somebody who as of writing this comment recently got 3 D1s in a row, deal with it that's how the game works).

[@mikem2849]

I feel like you've read that first post before once? I could swear I've heard it on your channel once.

[@gearnite7665]

It's seems the Villain was right about Elves 😂

[@cethapplegate594]

7:50 wow it seems like the paladins were right all along, way to go.

[@tristemsaris7739]

That last story: Oh geez a real true racist, yikes!

[@tomtom7955]

its cartoonishly racist like 2 white guys in maga hats putting a noose on juicy somellet.

[@thejadondaviscommentaries1613]

The words "proper group" and "4chan" do not go together

[@michelcosta76]

I do like the channel where fluffly doggo read to us AND LUCKY IS CUTE! Like and comment!

[@jinglesbejankin7322]

This charm spell is exactly why I love Pathfinder. It makes some things more reasonable. Charm Person and Charm Monster are two different spells, and yes Charm Monster can function on humans but neither cause love. Charm Person is a crafting requirement for a love potion sure. But all it does is alter a creature's attitude towards you to be more favorable. It is not a love spell and does not have a sexual preference related function. To that end. The players calling you homophobic just wanted an excuse for the spell to fail. That said. If I were running a Succubus in Pathfinder I would flavor Charm Monster as a romantic charming and specify that sure, the succubus being neither the species nor gender of your sexual preference gives you a cumulative +5 for a total of +10 for both requirements being fulfilled. Assuming you were in combat with the Succubus before it cast this spell-like you would actually have a cumulative +15 to the Will Save DC of 22. This means you only need to roll above 7 on the dice. Even then the Succubi's magic wouldn't affect you the same. Against a human interested in women the interest would be romantic. Against a human interested in men the interest would be platonic. Either way there wouldn't be love. Just a level of affection necessary to suggest they stand out of the combat or perform a (non-sexual) favor.

[@gabrielmajere8852]

I had a female player who always played a grey elf. For people who don't know what a grey elf is, I call them the kkk of elves. They think they are the best at everything and can do no wrong. And all other races are lesser races. She would start arguments with non-grey elves, and complain if the NPC was higher level and beat her. I just stopped inviting her to future games.

[@TheUnspeakeable]

About the first story tell her that is D&D, not pokemon (On pokemon moves and abilities that cause infatuation, like Attract or Cute charm, don't work on an opponent of the same gender or doesn't have one)

[@zacharyrodriguez4348]

The second story is a case of properly venting

[@KINFIN123]

The Charm family of spells only force the victim to regard the caster highly, like a close personal friend, and make the victim more susceptible to agreeing with the caster and their requests. It doesn’t have anything to do with attraction or sex whatsoever. Succubus and Incubus are also the same creature in 5e, able to change between male and female forms at Will so even if that was an issue, it wouldn’t have been here. But that’s not a 5e succubus’s motive either. They strive to make people abandon their ideas and convictions and commit atrocities to stain the souls of their victims, ensuring said victims be cast into the negative planes after death.

[@suruthebeast4065]

Actually this isn't true (the part claiming 5e Succubus/Incubus are the same creature but can transform between types). They are the same species but different genders like everything else in the game... nowhere on either sheet does it mention transforming between the two nor does it claim they are the same creature. I think where you're confused is that a Succubus/Incubus can 100% transform into a medium creature of the same gender. An incubus can shape change into a young female woman and a Succubus can transform in a hulking male lumberjack. I think the confusion comes from their lore entry being this: 'In fact, with their shapechanging powers, incubi and succubi could both change their sex with ease, though most had a preference for one or the other' Yes this does seem like they are the same thing that's not what it's saying. They are two different things but they can CHOOSE to be whatever they want. Succubus and Incubus can turn into the counterpart in any shape they choose but they prefer certain targets and how the present defines which type they are..... I never noticed until now that how Succubus/Incubus work was like a predecessor to how people want us to view gender politics today.... kind of funny if you think about it lmao. These creatures came out with the base game well before that kind of movement really caught on...

[@slagarcrue85]

So dogge got a flamboyant side. That’s totally fine with me. I still think he’s he a cute adorable little dog. He’s top dog when it comes to narrating.

[@OxyMauron]

I'd personally run a succubus or incubus as needing a spark of sexual attraction, but ranger crossed a few lines in response. DM's ruling should have settled the matter. If my game's succubus or incubus didn't need that attraction, I'd use one that explicitly worked through other means. Succubus that charms your love of puns? Fail your save, and you will be *pun*ished.

[@xz619]

That ranger from story one is softer than 10 ply 🤣

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

Those players in story 1 need to read what charm person/monster actually does. It only makes the target regard the target as a friendly acquaintance, it doesn’t make you sexually or romantically attracted to the caster. The only way it might do that though this isn’t RAW is if the caster is already friends with the target.

[@EmoBearRights]

I think that having your player controlled is triggering but nope she's not in the right.

[@AdmiralBlackstar]

I'm not familiar with the rules on that first one, but it sounds like it needs clarification on what's in the rule book. "Charm monster" does sound like you're appealing to someone's desires, particularly with a "succubus". Again, not familiar with the rules, but I'm guessing it's supposed to be "charm" as in "I'm an adorable kitty and you want to protect me" rather than "I'm sexy and you get to bang me if you protect me". But I can see how how you'd assume the latter with a succubus.

[@suruthebeast4065]

This charm makes a humanoid creature regard you as its trusted friend and ally... it perceives your words and actions in the most favorable way. Right out of the 3.5 handbook. Effectively what it means if you're not aware there are 5 stages of 'attitudes' towards characters. Hostile, Unfriendly, Neutral, Friendly, and Helpful, this spell according to it's full wording makes the target 'friendly' to you. Which whenever the charmer asks a favor of the creature prompts opposed charisma checks. Now friendly itself is worded as such: Chat, advise, offer limited help, advocate. So basically it would require a good roll vs the player to make them want to defend the Succubus but being that a 3.5 Succubus has a charisma of 26 (+8 mod) it's not hard to guess that the ranger could have easily found itself under the spell and then being hostile to his allies. So realistically I see nothing wrong with this, because yes the succubus could in theory do anything even nsfw crap, most DMs won't let it go that far, nor does it need to go that far... but in the context of a smart devil in a fight vs 4 adversaries of course she'd pick one of them to charm so that it turned a 1v4 into a 2v3 with the succubus being on a whole different level and a player on equal footing the fight is then balanced for one 6 minutes or 36 rounds because this particular charm is a 6th level spell-like ability. (Spell like abilities are based off of caster level, if there is no caster level then it's based off how many hit die the creature has) a Succubus is 6d8. Sorry if you are aware of some of this but you make note you're not familiar with the rules so I just felt I needed to give the brief explanation of everything just to 1. explain what was going on and why the DM isn't in the wrong and 2. so that not just you but anyone who reads it can see what leads to the situation that the ranger found themselves in.

[@paulmacdonald5135]

The second story reminds me of the story of Bodica.

[@Isarrot]

Wait wait wait... "How dare you DM disrespect my sexual orientation by having a SUCCUBUS charm my character. How dare you do this to me, a LESBIAN"... I uh... What

[@Szriko]

Holy shit is that a talking dog

[@janscarfi4299]

A like for Lucky ❤️

[@jaycraw6978]

"Hey mom? Is it homophobic to follow the rules?"

[@kylemendoza8860]

That was a cute kitty

[@BURNALUCARD]

I don't understand why so many people don't understand charm spells. I know wizards doesn't provide the best explanations in their books, but they're not that vague and opaque.

[@rootfish2671]

Most players don't read the spell description and automatically think it's like a love potion from fairy tales