Debating Blackness: Is Social Media Dividing the Black Community?

[@mcclendonreport]

Anti-intellectualism goes way farther back than today. I was surrounded by it since grade school in the 60s. It was always intimidating to be smart where I'm from.

[@cheleftb]

The conundrum of blackness started long before social media.

[@intherapture]

Love this convo. Black people aren't monolithic, but we are connected. I'm for unity over uniformity, and I love us ALL from the entire diaspora. The internet has amplified the dissention among us, but as you and Dr. Carr discuss we need to establish a WE beyond oppression to thrive in community.

[@PsychicMedium4747]

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[@JPW222]

I am a direct descendant of a ADOS family who was impacted by the racial terrorism that took place during the Red Summer in 1919. Property was destroyed, land was taken, family members were lynched and family lines were separated to this day. This has had a profound intergenerational effect on my life today. As an amateur Black American genealogist I have seen and heard dozens of stories like my own from other Black Americans whose family trees and family stories I have researched. Ultimately, the question that ADOS has raised is how do OUR experiences within the system of American White Supremacy that took place IN THIS COUNTY that uniquely impacts OUR families somehow transfer to somebody like Joy Reid or Kamala Harris whose parents were elite professors from the Congo and Guyana, and Jamaica and India respectively that emigrated to America by choice post 1965 for resources and opportunity? In a single generation these people have been able to access the highest levels of power and influence in this country. We have been here for 10 to 20 Generations. Why are we the only group that does not get to recognize our specificity and to advocate for our own repair? We can build coalition and solidarity with other groups of people but they can't do that riding the back of our experiences.

[@DellGray-o8i]

She had Yvette on her show before so she knows that what this guy is bull. ADOS is not about hating other "black" people. It's about who is owed by this country.

[@KarenHunterShow]

Yvette is very clear in her views, but some of the folk who fly the ADOS banner are VERY hateful in their commentary about other Black folk from different places and it's unnecessary. Descendants of enslaved in America are the ones owed reparations FROM America. It's really simple. Disparaging folk from other places is unnecessary and really obfuscates the salient argument around the reparations owed.

[@JPW222]

@@KarenHunterShow This is just a flat out lie. If you're going to use a capitalized adjective like "VERY" you're going to have to pull out the receipts. How can you even have a conversation like this if you aren't willing to have criticism for black immigrants (not but an uncomfortable amount) who are very open about their ant-black Americanness. We have been nothing but inviting to all groups of people who have come to this country. Moreover how can you make such an assessment if you're not willing to decipher the difference between FBA and ADOS? Yvette came with your show and told you the difference and you all constantly refuse to acknowledge or understand the difference. It's essentially like having an evil twin. There are a lot of things that people can criticize about ADOS. However, being VERY hateful to anybody is not one of them.

[@jaydwub8082]

@@DellGray-o8iIt’s troublesome to see that people like the brother and others of high intellect have issue with recognizing that we,ADOS, shouldn’t not be generalized by those of us who carry our burden and banner in nefarious ways. There are innumerable examples of “ two things can be true. We have to be mindful of choosing to obfuscate our collective efforts to secure reparations with the actions of some low consciousness folks. They have the option to discern between the hateful banner fliers and the people doing the work worthy of support. He and others do such a wonderful job in analyzing our plight. Why not spend a few more minutes of critical analysis and separate the wheat from the chaff, instead of taking time to paint ADOS as a pariah.

[@sinceimhere1646]

​@@KarenHunterShowanother thing that we have to be aware of if not lumping everyone under the umbrella of ADOS that is saying some of this stuff. FBA, Freedman and other groups have similar views when it comes to reparations, but Xenophobia is not ADOS's thing. We will defend ourselves from attacks and that triggers some people that love others from the diaspora more than they love themselves and their own family.

[@TEveJ]

Really enjoy listening to Sunn m’Cheaux. Love when you have him on. Great conversation.

[@KarenHunterShow]

I love him, too.

[@kadeemk4679]

Nah even before the social media theres a clear division between black folk.

[@Wideout4]

Correct.

[@sot6365]

No one said there wasn't 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@kadeemk4679]

@@sot6365 title is written as a question I only answered it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@tnhankins1]

The fact that people are still tussling over Blackness is crazy. Thank you for this much needed conversation.

[@uzumaki3755]

It's always a good thinking session when Sunn is around!

[@jenisereedus]

Yes, he was on point🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@kennethroberts8448]

Great show. Professor Hunter is on top of this as always.

[@lecs9385]

This was a very good conversation; Thank you! I agree with a lot of what the man in the hoodie was saying, and just in general acknowledging that we are not a monolith was refreshing.

[@KL-cy1wc]

AMAZING CONVERSATION! Thank you Karen!

[@KarenHunterShow]

my pleasure!

[@kathrynbatiste6159]

Great conversation, per usual!!

[@clyons8580]

I appreciate you Karen Hunter. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you.

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you.

[@ADOS_DSGB]

Flat blackness was created in the US. The majority of blacks around the world go by their ethnicity, tribe, or country. The difference is that now black Americans are just now finding out, so now we're putting up a gate. Seems to me that everyone is OK when non Blk Americans are exclusionary, it's only a problem when black Americans do it.

[@MsMizz1]

Ayyy it’s Sunny!! What a treat!

[@TirraOmilade]

LOVE this conversation! So many gems from all of the professors!

[@comicrobb]

So many people I follow and love their content are on your show. I can tell u how happy I am, I have found u. THANK YOU, SISTER GODDESS.

[@KarenHunterShow]

I so appreciate you, too.

[@williefrazier790]

Awesome conversation Prof's. I mentioned in KNUBIA how these different groups ferment anti blackness within their blackness. It's absolutely sad.

[@kecia6545]

Thank you Professor Hunter!! We..... did not vote for juneteenth tshirts,caps,and icecream. No, we want our fair share without the redlining!!!

[@elizabethcollins8765]

I love this conversation. So many gold nuggets of insight, I've had to listen multiple times just to take it all in...

[@rwii4863]

Thank you, Karen. I'm here for all of the great conversations.

[@rundontwalk8848]

Excellent discussion thanks

[@mbrntly11]

After listening to a person who got off the Social Media Plantation, She Stated She has Never felt better, she stated that she found platforms , like FB, Twitter, etc mentally Depressing!

[@kymtaylor5890]

Blackness is a state of mind 😮 Blackness is a power 🔋 💪🏿 We are one UNITY IS OUR ANSWER TO POWER 😊

[@sheritamitchell1036]

ALWAYS a mind-opening and expanding conversation. Thank you, Professor Karen and Company!

[@kennethroberts8448]

Great conversation that all african people must have with each other.

[@ralphjackson8295]

A friend of mine was in a heated discussion with a brother from Ethiopia because my friend called him black and the Ethiopia lost his ever loving mind. You would have thought he cut him of something. They was at it for like 10 minutes and then this sista that was at another table said. "IT DONT MATTER WHAT YOU CALL EACH OTHER, WHITE FOLK ARE STILL GOING TO CALL ALL OG US "N's" word.

[@ReinventingEnergyAndLove]

Who care what white people call us? We must define ourselves.

[@rsimmons1980]

Who cares what white people call us. They are clowns 🤡

[@timothywatters4774]

We don't define ourselves based on the opinion of our oppressor. The legacy of an Ethiopian and ADOS isn't the same.

[@MrHearddat]

​@@timothywatters4774 we don't. You still have to know who has the power. Right now they do. And that's why the statement is made.

[@ralphjackson8295]

@@timothywatters4774 No we don't. But let's get one thing straight before we go any further. We are not ADOS. We are descendents of Africa not slaves. Our history started tens of thousands of years before we hit that split second of time our ancestors were ENSLAVED. They were never slaves.

[@michaelshultz2540]

I have lived all over the world 🌎 and in a mixd household. Im 69 years old the hate and tribalism needs to end. I love all the people in the world and have friends world wide that are all beautiful and accepting and from all sexual identitys and races. We are all human that is all ! Love your channel Karen ❤️ 💕 ♥️ 💖 💗 😘

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you, Michael.

[@ReginaldDj1]

This was a good one Professor Karen Hunter i got a lot from this conversation ❤❤❤❤

[@Wideout4]

Many people don’t consider themselves black it’s well known that black is a term associated with “Black Americans” hence the comments you see daily “I’m not black I’m Jamaican…I’m not black I’m Nigerian etc. Many people do try and jump in and out of blackness when it’s beneficial though and that has to stop and identifying terms like Foundational Black Americans are needed.

[@timothywatters4774]

Amen!

[@EBee_Z]

Well said #ADOS

[@coach6463]

@@Mimi_622 well you shouldn’t have a problem with calling us what we are then FBA!

[@sandywaters1153]

@@coach6463 What do you say to those that have one parent from the Caribbean and one parent who is FBA or ADOS?

[@coach6463]

@@sandywaters1153 They can claim FBA lineage but they should not be a spokesperson of the lineage due to dual allegiance. Their is definitely a difference between full lineage and half in my opinion.

[@jamesnewman6698]

I don't see why we can't just stay focused on who & what the common enemy is & letting that conjoin us- instead of allowing the differences of whatever faction or group we belong to pull us apart

[@p0rnany0ne]

because the enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

[@michaelshultz2540]

11:37 That is a huge problem with the internet and social media. When I was a kid and in the 1960s & 70s nobody beleaved the world was flat !

[@melvinwright8654]

Any "ism" that supercedes humility creates schisms.

[@QueenShebaDivine]

Great and informative conversation.

[@TivoliEclipse]

My apologies if I missed the point(s). What are we debating -- who's really FBAs? Get the manifests, the insurance policies, and bills of sale. There's no debate.

[@liamwhit1]

I agree with you, Karen! Juneteenth should NOT be a federal holiday. It was a distraction so you don't see what they are doing

[@landoe8383]

Absolutely great

[@jenisereedus]

Not just social media keeps us divided, but it has certainly helped…

[@kennethroberts8448]

It's the culture when you think about who we are to each other. It's color if you think about who black people are to other people

[@SpankGottaHustle]

As rational as y’all sound I think the reality is the majority of poor people of Every other race ain’t tryna unite with Black People.

[@kbtokyo]

Quite compelling

[@godfatherx8334]

A great conversation by Black Excellence!

[@denakiajackson639]

Only thing that GRITS get is a lot of BUTTER,SALT,PEPPER only.!!!😋👏👏

[@KarenHunterShow]

YES (and maybe some cheese...even though I'm not eating cheese...I remember it being delicious in grits).

[@TWILS02119]

Yup. I’m Blackety black.

[@CoachMikeD]

We need Individual AND Collective Action...Both!

[@JPW222]

Disaggregation and segmentation is not division it is correction.

[@KarenHunterShow]

it's not. it's separation.

[@JPW222]

@@KarenHunterShow Its not separation it is necessary exclusion for the sake of protecting one's interests. Do you exclude people from living in your house, driving your car, sharing your income or eating the food in your refrigerator? If everybody who remotely looked like you decided to take on your identity would you not be bothered by that? You practice exclusion everyday to protect your own interests.

[@KarenHunterShow]

@@JPW222 it's not the same. We are all people having a similar experience rooted in the evil of enslavement and the creation of whiteness. The work is vast but it won't be completed while we sit in division.

[@JPW222]

@@KarenHunterShow Since you respect Yvette I would suggest this episode to you where she discusses how "similarity" is not "sameness." I know most people who try to argue with ADOS haven't watched even 2% of the political education our leaders have provided for almost a decade now. Mind you, they are the political expert here not just yo it KZbin talking heads. kzbin.infoRg7QVVLXAJo?si=zhviykjIJfQ3CqMO Your argument is based on a fallacy. In America there is a caste system and we are at the bottom not black immigrants. Hence, our first black President and Vice President are the children are first generation black immigrants. They are not tied to America in the same way we are. If a Civil War broke out today many of them could and would leave back to their countries because they didn't come here to join us in fighting white supremacy in America, they came here for resources. The people that we have received through America's selective immigration policy are not the fighters. Their fighters are back in their own countries. You all have been quick to assume solidarity based on melanin or ties to slavery while ignoring the presence of those whose ancestors sold our ancestors to Europeans into slavery. I have many of African friends here in the DMV who are descendants of slave traders and who lives are VASTLY different than my own. That argument does not pass muster because it is based on an faulty premise. American slavery yielded something different than what Caribbean slavery yielded than what African colonialism yielded. Again similarity is not sameness.

[@JPW222]

@@KarenHunterShow so we have already covered this idea of similarity and sameness. Yvette did a episode on it 3 or 4 years ago. You are assuming solidarity based on melanin and completely different histories of people that yielded different outcomes and telling us all together while. kzbin.infoRg7QVVLXAJo?si=sTx6Auqr1RAzF9Hk

[@soysauce6550]

I luv 😘 you. Karen Hunter,🎙️.

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you, soy sauce!

[@donaldwhite5345]

Absolutely 💯, so stop ✋🏿 telling all of your personal information on Social Media 🤬

[@geekmeee]

16:07 -Caste: Origin of Our Discontent, pg. 277

[@1hotshon]

They are killing Twitter and TikTok for this very reason. People are working for themselves creating content and not lining up to work a standard 9 to 5... Using their platform to level the playing field... disseminating information and ideas freely... It kills their power structure.

[@OhDatsJaVion]

No, TikTok is racist against black Americans content creators, & China is spying on USA , USA social media isn’t allowed in China !!

[@sandywaters1153]

Actually Elon Musk is killing Twitter which he has changed to X (like a porn site) and Tik-Tok doesn't monitor their sites to protect children where they can access videos that show them how to steal cars & stupid, dangerous challenges.

[@uwillbe]

It’s one thing to describe our physical characteristics, it’s another to define ourselves by such. There are people who look like me and don’t look like me and assume I only listen to R&B, rap, soul, music, and gospel, based on my physical characteristics. I do listen to those genres, but the majority of music I have in my library is rock music. Point being, to define ourselves by our skin color, or any other physical characteristic is to confine ourselves by our skin color, or any other physical characteristic. I love the degree of melanin in my skin, but it does not define me.

[@bechet12]

Karen, when you have one of these conversations please invite me.

[@waynepalma-r7l]

Ms. Hunter my family and I were in France and a Non melanated gentleman speaking in French in front of a McDonald’s engaged and l said we were Americans and didn’t speak French …..his retort was you are Africans not American and for minute I had to reorient my perception. Because I am African with all the physical markers albeit displaced by historical circumstances. How do we see ourselves and how does the world see us?

[@KarenHunterShow]

great question...and one that requires thought and examination. It's both personal and collective.

[@calvinjohnson4276]

When I was younger I had the mindset of I'm not from Africa so don't call me African American. As I grew older I realized we "black folk" are connected under the same foundational diaspora. The concept of being too black and not being black enough is the story of my life. I never real connected with the mindset of my family and those around me nor I fit my with nonmelaninated people. So I grated my life around all cultures until I finally learned about Africana studies. Then I realized excellence of black people. In today's culture war society, social media only exacerbated the rift in the black community.

[@SE-gs6gd]

Saying you shouldn't attack other black folks by attacking other black folks is kind of counterproductive and hypocritical. But do you.

[@OLDirty_Kungfu]

Thank you for this! Wonderful video! I would like to push back a bit on the colorism issue. Only in that I think that saying colorism is one-sided flattens the issues in a way that does silence the very real problem of being Black with white proximity and how that plays out in a society that is white supremacist and anti-Black. Especially for lighter skinned Blacknpeople who's life experiences in total are not different from that of darker Black folks save for the misfortune of proximal whiteness and being a "safe option." It is a disgusting feeling to be told you're not Black enough, you're not BLACK black, or have your credibility called to question when fighting for Black people because "you're not all the way Black" by non-Black people. To me, a one-sided colorism stance flies in the face of Black cultures, as it provides a space for bad actors to silence Light skinned Black voices on the grounds of phenotypical representation in a way that darker Black folks are not readily required, expected, or capable of defending us against. Could just be my own experiences and my own internal biases toward (not against, toward) darker skin (sad story there). But I think there are bigger questions to ask in this regard. It sometimes feels like compassion is expected to make way for compersion in a society that presently manufactures competition and severely punishes those who dont compete, so active resistance to colorism ends up looking like socio-economic martyrdom. Fight the colorism and possibly gain some praise and recognition. or deal with the guilt of being tokenized and deal with community ostracization. therefore driving a colorist wedge between Black peoples. I dont know. My BA in History level understanding pales in comparison to you three and can only take me so far, so I'm speaking from my limited knowledge and lived experience. Is this an instance of the haecceity of Blackness conflicting with the Quiddity of Blackness? Or an insyance of the interactions of the two feeling like they are in conflict due to a guilt culture and shame culture sharing space in white supremacist capitalist imperialist United States? Or maybe I smoked too much. Lol. Love ya'll. Thank ya'll for ya'll and ya'll brilliance. Peace.

[@coach6463]

FBA stand up! The delineation is driving them crazy!

[@KarenHunterShow]

um.

[@MrThehardway]

Yea, we’re in a very unusual space in history, as we were freed after the enlightenment, so it was hard to create our own religion, myths, etc. to give a truly unique spiritual center for our group!

[@lmac5902]

What is not going to happened and embraced is one religion.

[@MrSolonolo]

Our entire global economy and modern capitalism have been structured and developed upon the ownership, trade, sale and control of land, property. The designation of human beings as property or commodities was foundationally responsible for the rapid, exponential increase in "profits. As in the board game Monopoly, it is illogical to expect to win if one is granted entry after all properties and utilities have already been bought. `Moreover, it seems inconceivable that the properties themselves should be taken seriously as players, especially when all the Monopoly money, houses and hotels have been used and we begin writing IOUs. as notes on toilet paper to represent more currency in order to "purchase" more properties, using thumbtacks and buttons to symbolize "additional" houses and hotels... signing deals and forming alliances just to keep the game going! The main question I keep asking myself is:: what is it that convinces any individual to continue playing a game once they know it has been rigged? I will never understand. Game over. Next game, please !!!

[@jasflute8260]

Separate and conquer. That has always been their plan. We fight for the crumbs as they acquire the riches.

[@borisdelaine9797]

Dr Sunn, you said it for me. I have disassociated from *ADOS" and " FBA" because Black Americans, Black Caribbeans and West Africans are part of the same extended family. I know many that are Black Americans 60 years and above with Haitian Great Grandfather or a Caribbean grandmother in some form from the South. The Black people that want to deny their history want to be a MAGA but can't be White Nationalist. I have been in Tanzania for a few years and there are East African embracing MAGA because they think that being an anti-liberal democrats is good for Africans. These movements should be called the Re-Colonization Movement because they are empowered by the greater MAGA Movement.

[@veronicajade20]

I think as black people we are all tied to each other, especially by historical oppression, but we are not monolithic.

[@lisaflores8801]

All of that!!!! ❤️🖤💚

[@elinstar6034]

Race is a manifestation of capitalism... thank you

[@kecia6545]

In Africa that tribal thinking still exist. We here in America as blacks still have the traces of tribal thinking. We were separated from Africa by oceans ,and we still think ill of each other at times(example gangs, divine nine, talented tenth are all separation tools within our community).

[@Wideout4]

We have nothing on the tribal wars and genocides of the African continent throughout history

[@lyndak3269]

Does he have nail polish on. I want to know the color. Anyway I can find out pleas

[@KarenHunterShow]

it looked black to me.

[@sheresehinkle4889]

👍👍

[@suckerfree7536]

FBA (Foundation Black American)

[@tvs9978]

Isn't it Foundational not Foundation?

[@boredandonline]

1:28 whatnis foundationally????

[@willienixon6847]

If Black culture is not monolithic, why do we argue about the "Black" vote?

[@KarenHunterShow]

because two things can be true...

[@QueenTiye54]

I'm with you on the Juneteenth thing. But we have it so gonna make it count.

[@RonnyThomas-x9u]

There has always been sellouts in all races in history

[@normaholder3396]

Who was the designer?

[@josephkmartinjr6778]

Yes. We don't or can't disseminate propaganda? Its personal reticence that displays the ignorance of some of us.

[@OKANjarrod]

Great and needed conversations! Uncomfortable things that have to be acknowledged in order to move through an honest dialogue. For me, the through lines from Colin Powell, to Obama & Eric Holder to Kamela, Kentanji & Karine seem pretty clear. It shouldn't be divisive to interrogate the patterns, especially when it comes to access to power, economic freedom and social justice. I agree with Sunn's statement and when I see flag fights online I tend to ignore it knowing that discord and negativity yields.engagement and a check. But none of that should impugn the work Yvette & Antonio et al are doing with ADOS. In this country its always been about following the money; I think doubly so for the other groups that have been moving into the reparations space. Does anyone think the founders of Gold House wrestled with using "POC" language, or did they know they had the agency and access to capital to be specific?

[@JPW222]

Every single critique of the ADOS Movement NEVER comes for the information that is actually shared coming out of the movement. Rather, it is always from the partial perspective of what people are seeing from the outside on Twitter without the understanding all of the academic work on the inside of the movement. It is a sign of intellectual laziness that people still have not figured out the significance of this movement. People have not fully examined and dissected this movement to be making the defamatory statements that they make. This movement is built on the works of economist and historians like Thomas Piketty, Thomas Shapiro, Ira Katznelson, Richard Rothstein, Mehrsa Baradaran and so many other's. There is nothing academic about the MAGA folks. They don't have book clubs. They don't produce studies for economic journals. They don't have political education being taught to them by expert political strategies who have worked on the hill for Democratic Senators and Congressmen. They have not built relationships with the National Baptist Convention. On the contrary, EVERYTHING ADOS shares is backed by data, studies, books and hard facts. These attacks are starting to get old. Not a single person who has a critique for ADOS would find themselves in a room with Yvette Carnell or Antonio Moore while saying the things that they say about this movement because they have almost a decade worth of academic information laid out in over 1000 KZbin videos combined with links to the articles, studies and expertise of these academics. So yes Sunn m'Cheaux you deserve to be ate up for that ignorant uninformed comment you made. Stop playing yourselves.

[@EnigmaticPsyche]

I've been online with some of those people you've mentioned and, no, just because it's backed with academics doesn't mean that it's actually aligned with values shared by, or not doing a disservice to, the black community. Some of the most divisive people I've met in the movement have been ADOS. You can still be well-read and dumb as rocks. You can still be well-connected and isolated in thought and against your own community and self-interest. That's been my experience with ADOS. Nothing you just said changed my mind and yet you claim to be a part of that movement. Be clear though, that ADOS has absolute been aligned with MAGA from the beginning. Indirectly but absolutely aligned. For all that reading you doing, you missed that?! Exactly my point.

[@JPW222]

@@EnigmaticPsyche This is hearsay. You saying that you've met a couple of people online versus actually dealing with what the co-founders of the movement have argued are two different things. ADOS as an organization are not conservatives nor do we advocate voting for Trump or Republicans. The co-founder of the movement came on Karen Hunter's show and explained the Down Ballot Democratic voting strategy which begins and ends with Democrats coming to the table and getting something in exchange for our votes. Professor Eddie Glaude proposed the same strategy a few years back. Arab Americans are deploying this strategy right now with Biden and the Democratic Party in support of the Palestinian cause. Somehow ADOS suggests it to pull Democrats closer to what we need as a community regarding reparations to prevent the economic collapse of families and all of a sudden we're MAGA? Part of the problem is that people are having a hard time hitting the intellectual curb that has been set and refuse to understand the nuance of the conversation we are having. Instead, people are choosing to be emotionally reactionary to ADOS rather than taking the time to actually engage the information that we have provided. As Karen Hunter said herself, some people have a hard time shifting away from their own ideologies that they have been invested in. Those who have been anchored in this Pan-African fantasy for over 100 years now see ADOS as a threat because their whole livelihoods has been built on an African-descended diasporic utopia where ethnic and tribal conflicts do not exist. We get demonized for calling out the divisions that exist, yet we have made space in our own policies to advocate on behalf of all black people in America because we know that black immigrants have a lived experience impacted by systemic racism. There are people in this movement who are married and have children with black immigrants. You have black immigrant allies participating in the movement and calling into the shows verifying and validating what we are saying. To conclude, every other racial group is dealing with the same issue that we are trying to bring to the surface around disaggregation. There are some groups who have already achieved disaggregation within government data collection going back to the 1970s and 1990s. They understand the importance of advocating with specificity for their groups. Hopefully you all will catch on. Either way, this ADOS train is moving full steam ahead.

[@rah6677]

Hierarchy is needed in all civil societies but those of a lower rank in terms of position within that hierarchy should always be a counter balance. Social Media is only showing how divided we are as a people by promoting Individualism.

[@abbassaquee286]

I'm black and all black people are not the same but some tribes share so 20:19 me culture that is similar like tribe I come to the vai , mendes and the manika of from Mali, Guinea, Gambia, Senegal, Sierra Leone and many west African countries.

[@sugashy45]

❤❤❤❤ It’s Love “AI”

[@leighbotts9694]

It says right on the box that grits should be served with grits. 💅🏾

[@desertegle40cal]

Dang sister.. I just started watching your videos and you asked questions in the first two minutes that I have been asking myself for too long to mention but feel that I don’t have the right to ask as a white person. I used to live in Nashville with my band and we had three black dudes in my band. Two drummers and a lead guitarist. I was naive in thinking that we would be treated normally in Nashville TN. We weren’t and i didn’t even notice until I left Nashville and I was catching up with one of my ex band mates and he nonchalantly mentioned we had it harder as a band with black folks than other bands. I was so friggin ignorant at 30 years old that I became confused and asked him why did he think that and boy did i feel like a Fkin moron when he explained it all to me. “You ever notice why we would see brand new bands all of a sudden get gigs over us at places we already played when we always had the place packed?” He asked. “I mean heck you were doing something nobody seen before, turntable scratching to southern rock and THATS why people loved us. But we never got a foothold in that city when other all white bands did. I believe its because half our band was black.” This was two years after we left. But another conversation I had with him was about what to call black Americans. You said exactly what he said “I aint from Africa and don’t don’t anyone from Africa so im not a friggin ‘African American’. Your family is from Germany and Italy but you dont’ call yourself German American or Italian American, as those are reserved for those who immigrate here from those countries. Im also not black either, I’m a delicious dark caramel brown. But saying that is a mouthful.” We laughed. I wish i wasn’t so ignorant back then, maybe then I could of done something about it. Thank you for all that you do Karen. I appreciate your work!

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you for this message. and thank you for wanting to know and see things more broadly.

[@JClass-gz2ky]

That Caribbean-Jamaican accent was more influenced by the Irish than the African (and yes I know that Africans/Twa were in Ireland at one time).

[@lotus550]

I must have missed the conversation regarding Ms. Hunters point of view pertaining Juneteenth. Why don’t you believe it should be a federal holiday?

[@richardknight5997]

So where is the democracy.

[@irvareed4234]

We entered the age of mediocracy decades ago.

[@OhDatsJaVion]

14:54 how do we owe our freedom to Haiti when the Louisiana purchase expanded slavery out to California 🥴🥴, how do we owe our freedom to Haiti when black Americans been successfully revolting across the USA south since stono rebellion!! which resorted in various maroon colonies being established across the black American south, which ultimately is how many small southern black towns from Louisiana all the way into the Carolinas were founded what are you talking about? 2.) Malcolm X mom was Half British /half Caribbean!! What are you talking about! Y’all love to forget that everything Malcolm X got was from his black American dad 3.) Garvey learned everything from booker T Washington (just KZbin Garvey bio )

[@KarenHunterShow]

It was the first major blow on the institution. It made the institution more brutal and restrictive, which made folk in bondage more willing to fight back and the message spread throughout the plantation of what was possible. But please, definitely just refute for the sake of refuting. Carry on.

[@coach6463]

I go even further. If you come the other way Through Louisiana to Texas, all the towns and cities east of Dallas are Black towns and cities. Tyler,Longview, and Kilgore just to name a few.

[@denakiajackson639]

P.S...fried egg on top of it yummy.😋😋

[@julieg1833]

We are all of the homosapien race.

[@KarenHunterShow]

we are.

[@redthunderbird8117]

I find the AI and algo are issues from which, I wish there were unified voices and visible opposition in strong presence. The spaces I am in online, it is easier than I believed to find Black people who agree with my interests over my political opinions. I stamp out gender hate as much as I can rather than let ride my initial thinking. I disagree with everyone in the clip in different places. I really wanted to stay with their different angles and the professor with the Gullah shirt; it was hard to understand his observations, his advocacy and his solutions and they seemed to jump around often with excitement. 2 of the 3 guests really tried to understand each other while also expressing self. I hope I can listen, watch these people again.

[@sunrise2148]

I struggle with the "We are not a monolith" theory. You'll hear Black people immersed in white culture say it. Wouldn't that mean there is an identifiable culture that is pervasive among Black people, and they are just removed from it? Would that be a way of being Black? Is there Black culture or culture at all? I read a book by John S Mbiti (African Religions and Philosophy) concluding that, though nuanced, religious and social practices among various African peoples/nations are somewhat homogeneous. I think this applies to groups experiencing similar environments...it's organic. Amos Wilso postulated that "individualism" doesn't exist. We are all an amalgamation of various influence and are motivated by our interactions. I was under the impression Black people were communal more so than anyone else. Is there a cultural difference that comes with the phenotypical difference? If not Michael Bradley's book 'The Icemans Inheritance" would be irrelevant. 'Yurugu' by Marimba Ani is an exercise in futility. That said, is the premise classism supersedes racism?

[@jmanhope1745]

First and foremost, division and confusion is the name of the game we are falling for. Sunn m'Cheaux, are we oppressed as individuals or as a group? Our culture in America is an assimilation and adaptation of European American culture. Why are we restricting the ultimate representative of mankind to a color? Centuries ago, did our ancestors on The Continent define/call themselves as a color? Who started this and why? Do people of The Continent and diaspora skin tones cover the color spectrum?

[@leonardwashington2685]

ADOS = BLACK MAGA? Malcom X's mother was not ADOS, but his father was ADOS. Please read Dr. Sandy Darity's thoughts on this subject.

[@RonnyThomas-x9u]

Want that be nice! That ain't going to happen 😢

[@JPW222]

"We owe our freedom to Haiti" is a half true statement. The Haitian Revolution led to the expansion of slavery in America via the Louisiana Purchase. Not only that but the extraction of our labor through increase brutalization to increase effectiveness an output also resulted from the Haitian Revolution. Go read the book The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery in the Making of American Capitalism. I really am not trying to be rude when I say this Karen but it's very obvious to somebody like myself who watches your show that you aren't as knowledgeable as you may think you are which is why you leaned so heavily on somebody like Dr. Carr. If you can admit that to yourself then maybe you can admit that you have missed a few things along the way in your analysis of ADOS.

[@SpankGottaHustle]

I’m feeling y’all’s “high vibration” conversation, but me personally I’m putting Black First #B1 #Period

[@KarenHunterShow]

um...okay.

[@Wideout4]

Marcus Garvey largest support did originate here he was rejected in Jamaica what the hell is going on here. Why the lies???

[@lmac5902]

Most of cultures have these divisions and issues. Yet, the difference between us and others is their collective unity, leaning on one another for survival economy, maintaining their customs, rites and traditions thats important to their culture and identity.

[@Wideout4]

@@lmac5902our effort over the decades for unity with the “diaspora” has been to a detriment to our own success…it’s time we get more selfish with our our lineage and culture just like them… and now that we are doing it look we’re being criticized??????

[@JPW222]

The real problem here is that people are not deciphering the difference between FBA and ADOS. It's embarrassing that this much time has passed and you are still have not grasped the importance of this movement and taken the time to engage the information that we have put forth.

[@KarenHunterShow]

we aren't even having that conversation at all. I don't care to split hairs (or people).

[@JPW222]

@@KarenHunterShow Then what you're saying is that you don't care about facts or specificity. What's the point in inviting Yvette Carnell on your platform to correct falsehoods that people on your show come on and say if you're just going to continue to allow people to come on your show and say falsehoods? These defamatory lies are going to catch up with y'all one of these days simply because you refuse to do research. I block every FBA person I see because they are not serious. So to continuously act as if these two entities are the same is to be purposefully disingenuous and intellectually lazy.

[@mykdebradley3586]

I identify as AFRICAN BLK AMERICAN 🏴 🤜🏿✊🏿🤛🏿

[@MrHearddat]

No need for a Juneteenth holiday without repairs being made in the form of reperations as well. Also history repeats itself. In Africa right now, they still practice tribalism, the same as they did when they sold other tribes into slavery. We can't be one with that mindset.

[@artsy9876]

I am curious, Karen, why you think Juneteenth shouldn’t be a holiday. Juneteenth exists for those descendants of enslaved people and others celebrating July 4th. In full admission, I don’t track holidays beyond opportunities to connect with family and my mental health/wellness breaks. However, you argue vote blue no matter who, and you are pro-reparations if my memory serves me. It’s interesting to watch and listen to people discuss with the majority would benefit from based on their perspective.

[@KarenHunterShow]

Because folk who aren't descendants of enslaved get a day off and are celebrating what exactly with the sales and stuff? That's OUR holiday...it's OUR reflection. It should not be a federal holiday where white folk get a day off.

[@candace2117]

If I’m not mistaken, Juneteenth is a Federal holiday but not a National Holiday. If it were a National holiday (like Christmas, July 4th, Labor Day, and Thanksgiving), everyone would be given the day off to celebrate. But as a Federal holiday, there is no obligation to give everyone the day off for national recognition. Columbus/Indigenous Peoples Day is an example of a Federal holiday. I celebrate Juneteenth and take it as a day off. But my employer does not give us that day off.

[@artsy9876]

@@KarenHunterShow got it! Let everyone else go to work! I’m with that idea.

[@KarenHunterShow]

@@candace2117 So what's the point of it? Appeasement? I rather they fix racism institutionally than give us a holiday no one has to adhere to.

[@KarenHunterShow]

@@artsy9876 ONLY Black people should get the day off.