Slip Angle Shaker System Review

[@fireonmytarget8937]

Ultimate immersion, using a jack to lift rig to do a spring swap!

[@memoNo1719]

What do you mean with Jack?

[@msf1tv]

@@memoNo1719 I assume they mean use a floor jack, like for lifting a car, to raise your rig for easy access to the isolators.

[@TrevorJones1]

Even more immersion, hire a crew of dudes to run in while you are in the pit to do do it for you in 10 seconds!

[@memoNo1719]

@@msf1tv 😁👍

[@memoNo1719]

@@TrevorJones1 Yeah 😁👍

[@matthewyates9814]

The slip angle setup is great. I've had them for about 3 weeks now. I just hope they get their shipping/customer service fixed. I ordered them in February and finally received all my components in April. They never gave any tracking numbers and shipped 3 different boxes all at least one week apart. Worst shipping experience/customer service I've dealt with messing with sim stuff.

[@matta2738]

I didn't have that issue at all.. shipping was about 4 weeks as stated at time of checkout and all arrived together

[@johndough247]

@@matta2738 did you get tracking numbers? I require tracking numbers for shipping to my country, so that might eliminate this for me if they don't supply them.

[@rolux4853]

Which country do you live in? I wanted to order it for its ease of use but I can’t accept such a shipping procedure! I live in Germany.

[@matthewyates9814]

@@rolux4853 I live in the US

[@ajfeliciano469]

Ordered it and just be aware, it will take 20-30 days to deliver to the US. Cant wait to try it!

[@vincentsinke9397]

I just can say I feel exactly as Karl is telling about the kit. Good review and I can recomment this set-up.

[@CharlieBBB]

A man that appreciates a good knob, Just seen DaveCam's video on this and will be looking to buy one.

[@Mattalovis]

I have had the slip angle for about a year now. Love it. It dampens the vibration like he says. It also delivers really detailed tactile feedback per corner when set up. the only upgrade from this is a full motion sfx set up. worth every penny for slip angle. reference, I live in NYC.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

same here...about a year....I have the Logitech G pro wheel also and it had a transducer inside it as well.....i love this thing live in NJ

[@wayneshephard]

I have this kit and would love to get some info from you, so far it is frustrating me, the 6 channel amp does not correlate from channeln1 through to 6 in Simhub, I can adjust for that without too much drama but it's not ideal, the big issue however is that it does not matter which corner operates, it is felt throughout the entire rig and not discernible per corner, the mechanical transmission of vibration just shake the entire rig, a very muddy response, any suggestions on how you got it to be specific per corner?

[@jesusrdz4091]

Hon.. Could you tell if this can be mounted on a standard round tube rig ? How’s noise so far ? I live in Jersey.. could be nice to see some pictures of your setting if possible… Thanks !!

[@oliverf944]

I imagine the isolation feet allow the rig to experience more vibration movements since it’s effectively floating on the springs.

[@rkwjunior2298]

I thought it might absorb the vibrations taking away from the vibrations going into the frame. ?

[@PW-qy8mf]

@@rkwjunior2298It's exactly the opposite, as the transducers are connected rigidly with the rig frame via the brackets. The only connection to the floor then is via the springs, which represents by far the best isolation you can get (at least at this or a similar price point). By using springs as connection elements, you assure that most of the vibration forces HAVE to transfer into the rig itself, as they can barely travel through a loose dampening element like a spring.

[@taxi615]

Speaking to those DIY guys I just did a 4 bst-1 kit and in the end of it all your only saving about 100$ and I don't have the 4 isolators and brackets so your not saving much if any. I got lucky I paid 70$ cnd for ea bst-1 but they sell over 130$ the nubsound amps are 65$ each then you have 20$ of wires and the tnuts and bolts another 20 to 30 bucks. I didn't need a sound card as it's in the amps but it's about the same once all shipped. You can save if you get cheap transducers but your not doing the same setup.

[@rowdywallbanger4080]

Karl, I cut 6 Kong classic extreme dog toys up and using rubber door stops mounted them beneath my rig. It gives all the wobble you want from FFB and transducers at a fraction of the price.

[@rowdywallbanger4080]

@@x_barwolf_x Hopefully you can see the pics (?). I bought some cheap rubber door stops from amazon (6) and 6 Large black Kong Extremes. I cut the bottom section off of these so they formed thick rubber cups. Bolt the door stops 4 at the seat area and 2 at the pedal end. Place the Kongs over the door stops and you have poor mans motion.

[@elProvos]

I'm going to try this. Thanks for the suggestion

[@elProvos]

​@rowdywallbanger4080 I can't see the pictures. Do ypu use the top peice or the bottom prices you've cut off

[@rowdywallbanger4080]

I used the larger bottom part. If you’re an iRacer there is a whole write up in the forums.

[@elProvos]

​@@rowdywallbanger4080 thanks mate

[@RetroSnakey]

Thanks for the review Karl! I've actually ordered mine about 3 weeks ago and waiting on them. It said roughly 35 days to receive them due to overseas (even though I received a tracking number already, it hasn't moved..) I ordered the kit without the transducers, amp, wires, etc because I was able to source those for cheaper, but the exact ones you get on the full kit. Hope I able to install without having to lift the entire rig like yours, I have quite a few things attached but you did mention you can easily lift to change the spring so should be alright! Thanks again Karl, great stuff!

[@vgaportauthority9932]

Having them on each corner makes PERFECT SENSE because of how resonance works. You kind of want the rumbling of the left wheel's transducer to travel through the cockpit before it hits your ass, because it will also be rumbling your feet on the pedal plate on the left side, it will also let the cockpit influence the signal on the way to your ass so that what you feel in the seat is slightly different from what you feel in your feet, exactly like if it was a real car. As an example, if you smack a hammer in the front left corner of your cockpit, that's going to feel different in your feet, butt and hands than if you slapped the front left side of your seat with a hammer... Completely different sensation. If you want the whole pit to feel alive, using four in the corners makes perfect sense. Your rowdy commenter just likes his booty jiggled is what I'm getting from this. :D

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

The argument against it was that hard mounting transducers to a non-flexible structure such as 80/20 mutes them by 80%. Adding these isolators fixes that problem, but it’s not an option for larger heavier rigs or motion platforms

[@ricepony33]

Honestly a great price considering the components and completeness.

[@rgled10260]

Just ordered this kit based on this review. Can’t wait for delivery in 35 days 😀

[@KarlGosling]

Excellent!

[@rgled10260]

@@KarlGosling update, it arrived in 7 days 😀 first thing I did was check the feel of the knobs on the suci amp 😂 and yes you were right, they’re a good feeling knob!

[@open_wheeler6859]

Hello Karl, many thanks for the very good review. I drive iRacing exclusively (for about 5 years) and have been using a single Buttkicker until now. I was happy with it. But after your reviews I will order the Slip-Angle Kit. Don't let the many know-it-alls out there influence your opinion. Thanks again for your video.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate!

[@haraldjohansen1867]

I just installed two Dayton Audio bst-2 transducers combined with a Nobsound(lol) ns-10g amp. It's surprisingly good for immersion, and really easy to install!

[@johnw65uk]

Just done the same, put them on my play seat challenge, one under the pedals and one below my backside on the frame. Great immersion especially in VR, I can’t drive without them now. Only cost £120 for the setup. I do find sim hub is a bit tricky to setup, still tweaking some settings.

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

Same setup, but I recently changed to a Fosi BT20A amp. The difference is massive. The nobsound definitely doesn’t sustain its 60W, if it ever hits it. Also, running to 50W transducers on a 60W amp can damage the transducers apparently.

[@haraldjohansen1867]

@@TheOfficialOriginalChad The Nobsound is 100 watts. 50 on each channel. My transducers are 35 watts each so 70 watts combined. I run my Nobsound at 70% to match the trancducers.

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

@@haraldjohansen1867 whoops I was thinking of the bst-1. On a side note: Don’t consider any Amazon listing to be the source of truth, they’re often exaggerated. It ships with a 24V 5A power supply - 60Watts. I tried supplying them with a better power supply but it made no difference, so it makes sense they only include the 60W. Also the BST-2 is 25W, not 35W. You were deceived twice by Amazon listings.

[@haraldjohansen1867]

@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Dayton Audio lists the bst-2's as having a power handling (RMS) of 35 watts.

[@alexsachse]

Karl: "I'm a man who appreciates some weight, errrr; I'm a man who appreciates a good knob...ohhhh...that came out wrong..." - classic! This vid is gold just because of this. All fun aside though, I'm exclusively a flight sim guy but your videos are absolutely on point for much of what I am trying to do. I currently have a single BK but will likely add / replace this with a slip-angle setup. Your review convinced me and thanks to the price point of the slip angle, it's not as much of a bite out of my wallet as an expansion of the BK setup would be. Thanks for the great work you are doing.

[@KarlGosling]

lol Cheers Alex!

[@FullSendVR]

a simple double layer of washmachine dampeners does the job as well. still nice to see someone offering a ready to use package though.

[@romeosim1012]

This is actually a really good deal . My only concern is how they actually perform. I have heard that some of the other brands like Dayton audio don’t have as deep a frequency as say the buttkickers do. So I’m looking forward to see the video with the 4 buttkickers and how they compare. Thank u for the video I always enjoy the content

[@KarlGosling]

IMO They are great, BK's are more powerful but cost a LOT more money.

[@romeosim1012]

@@KarlGosling ya I guess that’s kinda always the trade off . Thank u very much for the video .

[@Nicholas-im8bd]

Honestly my opinion is a single one with the right amp can give you shaken baby syndrome. I bought some cheap ones oiff ebay to start with.. like $20-30 and i got 4 of them.. and they would shake me to death. I dont think you need as much as poeople think

[@KuSQ3N]

Thanks Karl great review as allways. I got all the questions answered like the Appartment isu and instal GJ man

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Anton!

[@ellgarf]

Great review as always, Karl, thanks. And offer still stands (from the original video) if you're looking to move this kit on ;)

[@octane55]

Still very tempted to go for one of these. Always love the comments about DIY being cheaper. Yes if your into the research etc happy days. But I bet you of you paid yourself and hourly rate to do the research there wouldn't be much saving haha. Great review

[@KarlGosling]

Yes mate exactly and not every can DIY!

[@dimitriss.j180]

Very nice vibe mate,you seems to be a very 'gentle" human.Nice review. Subscribed

[@RicheyBLS]

I like this kit, but personally I'm going to DIY it. I've already sourced the anti vibration spring mounts and already have the BST-1's + sound card and amps I do really like the concept though and think it's a good solution for anyone wanting to run the 4 corner setup. My plan is to also add a center channel directly under the seat and pedal tray. Thanks for doing the review on the Prime Lite I bought the same cockpit after I saw your review.

[@adamfromabove84]

What spring mounts did you use? And how are you mounting the bst-1s to your rig? I was looking to do it all myself, but couldn't see much of a saving to be had

[@rooim1]

What spring did you use ??

[@rooim1]

@@RicheyBLS I assume you live in Us ?

[@RicheyBLS]

@@rooim1 yes I do.

[@younghumphrey06]

Link for spring isolators pls?

[@docslappy8946]

Great stuff as always. I'm not looking to replace my transducers yet... But I do love that the springs help keep it all quiet.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah they make a big difference!

[@eisa313]

Another good video mate. I havent got any transducers myself because I have always been concerned about the vibration/noise leakage. Like you I have my rig upstairs, this looks a decent option though

[@KuSQ3N]

I just order a kit hoppefully the shipping wont take so long. So hyped 😊

[@KarlGosling]

Excellent!

[@Zee20Ate]

I can appreciate a man that appreciates a good knob…..or um…..dial!

[@KarlGosling]

lol

[@Johnnybananass-_]

its a great price when you take into fabrication time and material cost if you tried to copy this setup. the isolators are a great design, I was surprised 499 was the cost to begin with ,

[@Anonnymouse53]

I am a DIYer when it comes to my sim rig, because I'm tight! (and ever pound I save on kit, is money I can spend on more kit). But I do already have loads of tools, spare fixings & bolts, etc. I know all this stuff is off-the-shelf, but I think as long as it's somewhat competitively priced I can understand the value in getting it all bundled together in the right spec with some instructions. If I didn't already do it I think I'd buy a kit like this so long as it wasn't more than say 15% more than just ordering all the parts off Amazon for the benefit of having some of the leg work done and a bit of support. The problem I have is when you see things for sale for $3000, when you know the parts only cost $1500.

[@laxamana23]

thanks for introducing these. Just picked up a kit. The waiting begins.

[@ajfeliciano469]

How long did take to get to you? What is your location? US? I am waiting for mine...

[@laxamana23]

@@ajfeliciano469 ordered on April 22nd. Came in on May 18th. It’s a great purchase although it is not compatible with my TrakRacer TRX rig but I knew that before making the decision. Got it to work and no regrets. Good luck!

[@thedude4795]

nothing better than a solid, firm knob

[@blekenbleu]

Putting constant 50W into a shaker would overheat and kill it. Combining those suspended shakers with motion would be a great video.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

I have these and after running it for an hour i touched them and they were pretty cool

[@Nick72c]

Great setup video Karl. Thank you 🙂. This kit looks very interesting, but I feel like you skipped over how it actually feels. Is it mainly giving feedback on curbs, or do you get road surface and / or traction loss sensation. Maybe this is obvious to those in the know, but as a sim rig newbie I could do with a longer description on the performance of this kit - thanks

[@soldier555555]

Simhub allows you to customize what feedback you want. Very extensive.

[@stuff7442]

Agreed, I want to see the "wohhh, this is really immersive, just felt that wheel break traction..." type of feedback in the video, but the trouble is that he is now spoilt by full motion, so I guess it's hard to get that enthusiastic about some rumbles! This is one downside to becoming successful on KZbin, starts out in the same sort of position as us norms, reviews kit we can afford etc, but as time goes on moves up to the stuff that only 1% of people can afford. C'est la vie, channel is still great, but it'll never be as grounded as it once was.

[@Nick72c]

I’ve had it for a few months now. I absolutely love it! Once tuned in with Sim Hub (this can take some tinkering to get the feel right) it adds massive amounts of immersion. You can put the kerb rumbled, road feel, gear shift, through the Slip Angle transducers, and bare back the wheel to only realistic FFB. The overall effect is excellent. I wouldn’t be without it.

[@adzy1893]

The guy that emailed you having a winge is a bellend mate. Keep up the great content legend ✌️

[@KarlGosling]

lol Cheers!

[@frumpd63]

I'm curious if there really is a noticeable improvement in having these mounted up and down, versus just bolting them to the side of the rig.

[@matta2738]

Yes there absolutely is

[@kevin_m]

I tried attaching one directly under my seat but immediately did not like that and moved it back to being attached to my rig so that it resonated through the whole rig. To each their own :)

[@wak3oarder]

my t.v. mounts to my rig and i have a cheapo amazon rig, those vibration isolators look like they would fit perfectly in the rubber feet area might have to give a few a try

[@KarlGosling]

Cool idea!

[@malamene]

$499 plus taxes plus shipping to the UK = $741.47. Not that cheap anymore, Karl.

[@malmyhill5456]

Thank you Karl for doing this review

[@noname-gp6hk]

I have this kit and the amplifier can't handle it. I have the volume set to like 45% in simhub, and the knobs on the amp set to like 75%, and the amp goes into overpower protection mode if I go offroad and send too much signal to it. I've been trying to dial it in to where the amp won't shut off, and turning the power down seems to make it better, but it's not there yet.

[@adamfromabove84]

That is very worrying. Surely this was tested when the guy made this set. Wonder if you got a dud amp?

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah maybe get them to send you a replacement amp?

[@BlindGoose1]

Great review, I hope they find a EU distributer.

[@bgdaddy42069]

ya i have seen so many people talk about where they put them i have 2 of the 35w dayton one on my seat and one on my inverted pedals they are great. i dont thing the price is crazy really the bass shaker are like 75 bucks each that 300 out of the 500 right there. like you said you can diy it but its not bad for people who just want a more plug &plug.the wire thing just makes sense. i just love diy got the diy wind sim too i like it a lot. i do use an old tablets for dashboard witch is cool

[@backwardog1]

Never tried the four corner setup. Mine are attached to four corners of the seat. It reduces the total power need sent to the dayton pucks. Solid fiberglass racing seat is good for mounting and transferring the vibrations. Running a rseat v2 f1 rig so the four corners option is not available like a 80/20 rig. Thanks for the review.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah you have to do what you can mate, some prefer it too!

[@elbowsout6301]

Now if only they gave you a discount code too :) Thanks for the review Karl.

[@richardople]

@ 25:10 you know someones gonna turn that into an animated gif Karl 😆

[@TheRatlord74]

I do like the look of that mate. price doesn't seem too bad either when you take in the cost of other sim racing components. I could be tempted to get one of these kits in the near future.

[@Leynad778]

It's IMO quite cheap for the stuff you get. You can get better/more shakers and amps for the money, but difficult with the isolators that are mandatory to keep the neighbours away (had twice the police at my doorstep because of shaker-emission despite lots of rubber-stuff installed...). I'm probably one of the few sim-racers who knows where and what to buy for compression springs and how to attach them to aluminium profiles for small price because I had quite some fails with my passive suspension in the past and paid quite a price for the try & error. Even if you have the right springs, attaching it to aluminium profiles needs some custom-printed parts to make them work properly.

[@easybreeze1]

​@@Leynad778 hey do you have any links please? This video is the first time I've come across these isolators and seems to be much better than several rubber mats which do nothing. Is there any recommendations you can suggest? Simply the ffb noise is too much so this is without transducers lol

[@Leynad778]

@@easybreeze1 I've posted a long answer that seems gone. Have you got it?

[@easybreeze1]

​@Leynad Jee sorry mate but no. Did see that slip angle sell just the isolators, I may just go that route

[@Leynad778]

@@easybreeze1 Compression springs like this should not be more than 5 bucks each, but kind of needs a 3D-printer to fix them properly to the rig. The most simple way is just 'designing' round cups with a hole to fix it to the profiles and to squeeze them in. They doesn't need side-support like those isolators. I'm using a six springs with a spring-rate of 55 N/mm, which is quite stiff, more like F1 suspension, so I guess 35 to 50 N/mm is a better sweetspot. 50 N/mm basically means, the spring compresses 1 mm per 5 kg load. I'm using D-355 from Federnshop and probably try the softer D-355A springs soon, which are also a bit longer. If they are too soft, I print a bumpstop out of TPU, which might also come handy to equalize the more heavy rear of the rig.

[@MikeSwannick]

The power cable you referred to is called a 'Figure 8' cable if that helps anyone.

[@KarlGosling]

Ah good to know!

[@Jan-1337]

Nice. Next investment at the end of the year for me!

[@KarlGosling]

Great!

[@nannideambrogio2672]

Thank you Karl! Very useful video. I bought immediately the kit and I am impatient to mount it. Please can you activated the automatic translation in different languages. It will be mach more easy for some of us. Thank you

[@LeoDavidson]

I'm a little late, but thanks for reviewing these! Looks like a great kit. Only thing I can see that's missing is mounting for the amp and sound card. But that's a good excuse to use the 3D printer. :)

[@KarlGosling]

It is Leo yes!

[@markchurch5273]

Off the bat karl, 07:34 excellent reflex bro. 👌

[@KarlGosling]

lol cheers!

[@chrisc3825]

I was real happy with mine that I've had for 6+ months, but I blew my Behringer amp using it. I think I may have had 2 banana plugs swing into each other on a transducer, so watch out for that!

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah shorting things out is never good! lol

[@ftocar]

Thanks for this mate I’m going to order mine tomorrow

[@KarlGosling]

No problem 👍

[@marcquintin7855]

I find the price really reasonable but it's the shipping that could end up costing depending where you're ordering from

[@KarlGosling]

Could be mate yes.

[@ColinDyckes]

The 96W power supply won't supply 50W RMS to all 4 transducers, but in practice they'd never all be operating at full amplitude (power). I think they might have 'cheaped out' on the PSU (and maybe Amp as that won't handle 4 x 50W RMS). Electronic engineer so I'd do it myself, but it's not a bad price. Just be aware that shipping, duty and VAT are certain to be charged by customs on top of the 499 USD.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I was actually thinking the same thing after the video, they will never be at 100% load all at once so it's not a problem.

[@rizzeerizz8985]

what amp would you recommend for this set up then?

[@ColinDyckes]

@@rizzeerizz8985 4 x 50W RMS if you wanted to be able to drive all transducers at full power at the same time. I only have a single transducer as a shaker so a single 50W amp is fine for me. In practice it's highly unlikely you'd ever drive all transducers at the same time, and, even if you did, the Class D amps used would just clip.

[@rizzeerizz8985]

@@ColinDyckes i want to use simvibe chassis so i would like to run all 4 separate..i want to buy my own amp for this set up..what amp would you recommend for this?

[@rizzeerizz8985]

this any good

[@GregAllen2]

@Karl Gosling Thanks for the overview! I do a lot of high end DIY builds on everything from 3D printers to extruded aluminum builds to acrylic aquariums. Typically I design in CAD and build from there. Just roughly estimating this it will cost as much if not more to build excluding the time involved. So the price on this product seems pretty good... With all that said, what concerns me a little bit are the mounting brackets. From what I can tell the seem a little bit on the flimsy side. Maybe a thicker gauge steel would be better? Or am I not seeing that correctly? Cheers, Greg

[@KarlGosling]

I guess you could always go thicker but I didn't notice any flex in use mate.

[@GregAllen2]

@@KarlGosling Good to hear! Thanks!

[@garybond3388]

nice review I am already using 2 of the dayton transducers and they are great, I do love the look of the Slip Angle but the shipping to Australia is a killer

[@garybond3388]

Just had another look shipping is not that bad now when i looked around 3 months ago it was double the price for shipping

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

My guess is that these isolators are off the shelf parts for something else.

[@rmoore6471]

Good review Karl.. I am curious though. I'm using a single butt kicker Pro.. The amp puts out 150 watts RMS.. The transducer can handle 75-250watts of output.. It literally shakes my whole rig... What is their amplifier specs for that setup??? How is that haptic system compared to the Butt Kicker Pro??? One thing to note the larger the rig the more power maybe required? My rig is the TR160..

[@nick-dm3if]

Anybody who says you can diy this kit for half the money is not correct, you cannot. this kit is cheaper than me putting it together on amazon

[@keithbriscoe99]

super cool. good video. I'm a sim-racer now turned sim flier.. DCS. Wonder if this setup would work well with SimShaker for Aviators....

[@Tj930]

I remember studying physics many years ago. The analogue for LRC Circuits (Inductance Capacitance & Resistance) was Pendulums and Springs. I would imagine that those "isolators" form a low-pass filter. Going to damp higher frequencies. Humans generally can't hear below 20Hz

[@noname-gp6hk]

That's a good point. I've played with a function generator plugged into a microphone interface and found that I can't really hear below 30hz or above 16khz. I wonder what kind of low pass filter these springs form. I have this kit and am too heavy for the springs, at 290lbs the grey springs are completely flat under me. I'm getting rid of the springs today and am going to try with the shakers mounted directly to the frame. Will find out how it feels before & after. Even though the rear springs were completely sacked, the fronts were still sprung. I'll get a feeling for if the higher frequencies feel any different without the springs.

[@trond345]

Love your Videos, I`m nube to Sim Racing , but your informativ and Great videos has helpt me a form of navigation in the Jungel of gear out there. Thanks man .

[@timothywest1183]

I’m trying to determine if I should get these, at 50w each, or the Buttkickers Pro at 150w each. Do the springs help isolate it and make what you feel better close to the 150 watt Buttkickers? I have a triple monitor Sim Lab P1-X Pro, which isn’t a light sim rig. And I’m six-two and 260 lbs. Do I need the 150 watt Buttkickers to compensate for rig weight plus…me?

[@KarlGosling]

50w RMS is plenty mate, the BK's are overpriced and overkill IMO.

[@SN3Gaming_]

I currently just have one Buttkicker Gamer Plus under my seat, I'd love to do the 4 corner set up but my fear the sound vibrations it would output and disturb people near by. Though my rig (Trak Racer TR120) has the built in Quad Monitors, I always worry that the built in stand with all 4 monitors (3 27 inch, and 1 24 inch) would cause an over weight issue with the isolators (and me being 86 kg). It's also why I haven't messed with motion. But if they do work in my set up, I'd need a jacket or something to lift my rig lol

[@revs1567]

Hi Karl, great review as always. One thing, as I was searching for some new shakers, my cheap ones are basiclly done, I noticed that lots of them come with a warning, might cause cancer. So seems to me, the closer they are to the body, the more risk there is. It might be a terrible idea to mount them directly under the seat, or use one of those that you sit on it. Just a word of caution for all and something to consider.

[@noname-gp6hk]

M8 thanks to legislation in California literally every substance known to man is required to have a label on it warning of cancer risk. If you want a fun game, next time you find yourself in a store, see how many items you can find which DONT have a prop 65 warning on it. These things have been painted, and paint is a known carcinogen. They have rubber, which is also a known carcinogen. There are also oils involved, which are also known carcinogens. There are also electronics inside the product, which are full of carcinogens. The phone you're probably holding in your hand is nearly entirely made of carcinogenic compounds. Those labels are humorously meaningless.

[@revs1567]

@@noname-gp6hk I disagree that the labels are meaningless, otherwise they would not be there. It's just a precaution so if you get cancer, they cant be sued. Fact is, using electromagnets close to the body is new and the long term effects are unknown. I will use shakers but not close to the body.

[@ronaldkasteel3459]

Nobody is talking about that thank you for this

[@revs1567]

@@ronaldkasteel3459 Karl's setup, simulating 4 wheels keeps the shakers away from your body. I would not use the stuff right close to my body as its goes directly through your body.

[@ronaldkasteel3459]

@@revs1567 thx man, still a bit hesitate to buy them atm

[@Johnnybananass-_]

you have this setup ..., and a Gf, , she's a keeper! I guess you've bought her a lot of shoes and handbags,

[@berniemaibom214]

Thxs Carl been waiting for this review

[@sunny113866]

Looking forward to this ! Cheers Karl

[@jgloc25]

Thanks Karl! Getting ready for this...been watching reviews for this. Few questions...help with #1. 1. @24:14 I see you have casters behind, what exact kind are they? I still don't have the slip-angle set and currently do have casters to roll my rig easily every now and then, as front part of my rig is under a table. I've been searching how I can use casters with this slip-angle set for ease of moving the rig. I saw some lift casters but mostly use screws, while I prefer being able to mount as well on the 8020 extrusion. Any suggestions of casters that would work well with slip-angle? 2. From your testing, you think the 100W amp is fine?

[@eagletrippin]

LOL, Yeeeeeeeeah, I'm not bolting tactile tranducers or anything else for that matter, into the fiberglass of my very expensive sim racing seat😂 Onto my aluminum profile rig, just like they were designed to!

[@crumbsNbass]

Glad to be made aware of this. Thank you. MiniDisc ftw.

[@samuelappiah263]

Great review, subscribed

[@bhdproduction2007]

i like your pokemon pikachu stickers? nice stuff. thanks for video karl

[@richardople]

Hey Karl, I have 2 buttkickers gamer 2 and the SRS UShake 6 seat cover. Will this play friendly and work together with them? As I'd like to move the two buttkickers to other parts of my rig. OR would I even need this if I already have the SRS UShake6? Thank you!

[@KarlGosling]

This would be a replacement for the U-Shake IMO, two different methods of getting tactile feedback.

[@richardople]

@@KarlGosling Valid point, thank you for your insight mate! Love from Canada!

[@bystander85]

I had a 4 transducer setup but I could never get the levels balanced and that really bothered my OCD. And also, I don't believe the frequency of vibration is dynamically set by reading in-game telemetry (you set frequency per effect) except for things like engine vibration. In some instances using the audio is better for more dynamics assuming you can isolate those sound channels (e.g. rumble strips). Not to mention the transducers were sooo loud. I found a 4-actuator motion setup was sooo much more satisfying just for simple vibrations. It would be interesting if a company made a low-cost low-travel actuator system that wasn't used for full-on motion but just for more robust vibrations

[@JonFestinger]

Thanks for doing this review. Very helpful.

[@Smyven]

Love the idea of using transducers at all the wheel points but could these be adapted to fit a tubular rig (tr8 pro) or is there another product that would?

[@KarlGosling]

Would need some custom brackets/clamps but I'm sure it could be done yes!

[@Robin_S78]

Honest review, thanks again!

[@keithmorris604]

great vid karl, hope these fit gtomega prime ive just ordered them

[@jpx7506]

Very interesting thanks Carl 👍 Can specify the model type of the spring isolaters? Would be much appreciated 🙏

[@KarlGosling]

I don't have that information sorry mate.

[@jpx7506]

@@KarlGosling okay thanks anyway

[@jeff3575davison]

wonder how it would work with and integrate with a motion system

[@CaptainDomestic]

I think that would be overkill. These are best at curbs, engine vibration, and shifts which motion can do well. They don't work well for abs, tc, so I imagine pedal-mounted transducers would help a motion rig but these would not.

[@derodge]

People keep saying you can build this yourself cheaper?? Apparently, they have not done the proper research. Not only are those spring isolators expensive . You have find the ones with proper compression rate . Also, those mounting bracket are patent pending . I personally can't find those brackets anywhere. if someone knows. please let me know.

[@combatwombat71]

Looks interesting. I'm sure the spring mounts too would be an improvement on my on-the-carpet rig. Just the cost of getting it here after postage, tax, VAT etc!

[@easybreeze1]

It states on the website "All duties and taxes prepaid, not additional fees." So surely not duty right? I'm looking to confirm this before I might order

[@combatwombat71]

@@easybreeze1 yes, I saw that. Not sure how they can say that though?

[@ColinDyckes]

I'd be amazed if this got through customs without you being charged VAT, Duty and the shippers 'clearance fee'. Small items, and those under £150 might, but not bulky or expensive items. The only way is if the seller prepays those items which this seller obviously doesn't as there is a single worldwide dollar price.

[@rgled10260]

I’ve just ordered this kit to the UK. The shipping was around $80 dollars and then when I went through to pay it added another $112 I think for tax!

[@joseppc6802]

Could you test the four shakers attached directly to the your motion actuators. I mean the actuators acting as the springs and then you could choose if you want to run motion, vibration or both together. And the second question is if the rekon/dayton/aura/SA... shakers can be replaced by a buttkicker pro shaker, as it has the wire conection compatible

[@nunoalexandre4273]

Thanks for the detailed video Karl. This is definitely a very interesting kit! I already have 2 of the same transducers (beneath the pedals and seat) that I love, do you think this would be a good addition to the sim experience (other than isolation)? Also, my rig has 4 wheels as I need to slide in the rig under the monitors stand, and I saw you have some retractile wheels, right? Any information on that would be much appreciated. Thanks so much Karl!!!

[@raymondnist8770]

Thanks for the review! If I already have 4 shakers (each) corner would the isolators add any benefit? I am on a concrete slab so no worries about vibrating the floor. Do the isolators help with being able to tell if the vibration is coming from the front/rear or sides?

[@Hardcaslte]

For me I just don't feel anything setting up the bass shakers to the frame. I've tried Vesa mounts hanging them off the frame which supposedly makes the vibration stronger, etc. But I get the best feedback having one under the pedals and one under the seat. Purely because in my TR120 (maybe it's the TR120 frame design?) I lose like 50% of the feedback of the vibrations mounting to the four corners. Maybe if they had like 100 watt shakers available it might be strong enough, don't know. I do wish it was stronger to justify running 4 or 6 shakers, but honestly the one under my seat and under the pedals would just purely over power the four corner shakers.

[@sneakygloworm]

That's exactly how Mine's set but I placed the transducer on the back of the seat rather than under it. Only issue I get is vibration noise at pedals which is a bit distracting at higher frequency. But because Aluminium is such a dead metal, it's not easy to set transducers in correct positions without losing feedback. Seat and pedals seems to work best in this solution.

[@pacers1231]

hi where did u get the black cloth around your 3 monitors please thx

[@KarlGosling]

Local fabric shop.

[@ericmottet35]

Hi karl Great immersion, but do you think than you can make a review of the slip angle with your pt actuator please ? Thank you and best regards Eric

[@JustinWoodTV]

SimHub new moto "SimHub where we hug your rig"

[@daifuco]

Why not using both system? The Slip Angle for terrain and bumps and the cushion for maybe traction feedback

[@jeremymartinez6024]

What’s the uncompressed height of the spring isolator? I’m wondering what the disengagement height would be, as well as needing to clear the guide walls

[@jwracingteam]

Nicely done Karl

[@shambleslongplay3566]

wattage is wattage.. there are transistors to boost an input signal. but rule of thumb is RMS vs input will always be less than the power coming in for any sort of reasonable listening. Lower quality amps will be closer to the input power. if you dont care about the clarity "which you wouldnt with transducers" then a poor quality amp is probably fine. but a 96w peak power in amp should never be expected to power 4x 50w speakers. If it Can do it it would sound like trash. even 4x 25w speakers would soind like trash.. its why we have amp classes.. A.. B.. H and so on.. it gives you a better idea of what its actually gonna sound like at its rated PMPO / RMS without having to look at the input power and so on.

[@noname-gp6hk]

I don't think this amp is strong enough for this setup. I have this kit and it's constantly tripping some kind of protection circuit internally any time there is a strong signal going into it, even with the simhub volume set down to like 50%. Amp trips, have to flip the switch off and on again to reset it. Definitely seems under sized for this application.

[@shambleslongplay3566]

@@noname-gp6hk if it was an audio amp.. id say its 25% ish of the power you want as a A class amp.. if it was H then it would be more efficient and probably could manage 47% of the output But H is a class technics devised and own. so the best you could do is G. or B and then your looking at about 30%~ I dont know about the impedance of the system and evetything else. BUT from the numbers given, i wouldnt expect to run that amp at more than 40% power and not suffer clipping or protection cut outs.

[@x161s1]

Hi Karl, great videos. Getting ready to setup a Iracing rig. Going back forth between Pt Champion Actuators and Slip angle. Mostly want to feel what the tires are doing underneath me, slip, lockup, rumbles., ect. Want to feel what the car is doing to be faster, not just to be throwen around. Racing in VR. Money isn't a issue, but is the extra $3,000 worth the motion do you think? Plan on using PT Belt tensioner to. Also, what's your thoughts on VRS pedals vs VX pro pedals? Keep up the great videos, great information.

[@adamfromabove84]

Do you think these could work mounting at the front and rear bars of the rig? As opposed to sides? Width is an issue for my rig!

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah it wouldn't be quite the same but it would work yes!

[@doctorthomYT]

You should review some of the mineer cockpits, they are copies of GT omega cockpits but around half the price.

[@noname-gp6hk]

Anything to avoid buying from GT omega is good. I ordered stuff from them two months ago and I'm still arguing with their customer service trying to get them to ship pieces of the order that they never put on the delivery truck.

[@StompSlaps]

You cant DIY this kit for half the money. To be totally honest, this with current prices is a steal. I've a DIY one under my seat currently and want to add 4 like this. Its £90 for the amp alone without the transducers and everything else and even then, you lose what is arguably the biggest appeal of this kit, and that's the AV mounts and brackets so you can actually use them without having to worry about neighbours/ wife etc. I've also totted up all the parts or equivalent of this kit (again without the mounts and brackets) comes to £397.... Again, this kit is a bargain.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I think it's a good price mate.

[@s16n]

Cool vid. Love your demeanor 👍🏻

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks 👍

[@noname-gp6hk]

The springs aren't stiff enough for my big ass. I'm 6'3 290lbs and the rear springs are completely sacked when I'm in my rig.

[@jogb9515]

Email the company.