Fake Super Mario 64 World Record Caught After 12 Years

[@karljobst]

I've had some time off this month but I've got some really cool vids planned for April. Hope you've all been well. Please go and listen to the amazing series Songs of Chaos: link.michaelrmiller.co.uk/KarlJobst

[@Nightcaat]

Karl Jobst in Ohio be like: I caught someone playing normally

[@agentcairney1802]

Can you do a video on the soe speedrun record

[@microwaveoven2]

April gon b gud

[@SonnyJim173]

Awesome, you are 1 of my favorite channels of all time

[@Theomann_]

Can never have enough Karl Jobst videos

[@soupcake3092]

Mario, blink 2 frames early if you're in a spliced run.

[@mcblaggart8565]

Blink and you'll miss it.

[@frankmarano1118]

Mario don't blink & tell!

[@Austin_Red]

this is a hard quote 🔥

[@ahbraveconscript997]

It's-a-Me, Mario! [blink] [blink]

[@TheEVIL64PoligonalMario]

**blinks 2 frames early**

[@abandonwareguru]

I giggle every time I see "Billy Mitchell" in the list of patrons.

[@UndertaleFan-cx2mc]

Lmao

[@Connie_TinuityError]

sometimes I do wonder who exactly it is that's using the Billy Mitchell name for patreon

[@Soren_Pedersen]

I didn't see that before i read this comment :P Cool easter egg, just in time for easter ;)

[@robdielemans9189]

Thanks for noticing, now it will make me giggle every time I see it as well.

[@JD_13]

ah damn, I made a comment about this, then scrolled down and saw you already spotted it 😂 Oh well, not deleting, its too funny. Maybe Billy is a fan! lol

[@rizmkw4157]

you either die a speedrunning hero or live long enough to see Karl Jobst make a video about you...

[@Manstam]

Or charliebrown64 Still crazy how that holy moly guy wouldn't have been caught if he didn't have such a big head

[@Dungeonseeker1uk]

People don't cheat to get a quicker time, they cheat to get a time quicker - Karl Jobst

[@Kawiboy]

Well said 👊✌️

[@someoneout-there2165]

🤣🤣

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

this saying is one of the dumbest ones ever, what if someone wanted to live and stay a hero? will you kill them?

[@prodfrxsty]

i’m afraid of people who can memorize frames and compare it to gameplay even if i am doing nothing wrong

[@syndrac6254]

Bro literally got caught by the old "Blink twice if you're held against your will"

[@ppstorm_]

oh wow thats funny, did you come up with that on your own or did you copy it from the 1000 other comments that said it?

[@boody5169]

@@ppstorm_ mfs cant even have fun without some angry guy going "huhu..you copied it!!"

[@ppstorm_]

@boody5169 I can tell you're on welfare because you think copying and reposting people's comments on youtube is fun lol

[@anonymoususer9197]

​@@ppstorm_your comment is somehow less original than this. I can't even begin to count the amount of times someone made a similar comment like yours

[@carbinecryo30716]

@@ppstorm_My brother in christ people can have the same idea. Chill tf out.

[@Karanthaneos]

Dude held his spliced record unnoticed for 12 years. Ghost of Tsukushima

[@qwirkt]

Tsukishima was also the name of a Bleach character who had the power to lie about the past…. IIRC that arc ended around 2012 so speedrunner Tsukishima possibly knew what he was doing lol

[@Bleeglesplotch]

​@@qwirktkind of a trash power tbh... literally anyone can lie about the past 😂

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

@@Bleeglesplotch yes, but when he does it, you automatically believe it... and it changes to match. if he stabbed you, and made himself your closest friend, who you told all your secrets? he knows them. every. single. one. if he strikes the ground, and made himself have been there before, setting up a trap where you're about to step? slam. the trap triggers.

[@Bleeglesplotch]

@@samakiraroyjanssen6326 oh okay lol, that makes more sense hahaa

[@rory8182]

@@samakiraroyjanssen6326 so reality warping, damn that seems nearly impossible to lose with. I imagine there are limits or it is on the level of All Fiction

[@andrewwales8827]

The blinking thing is something that Columbo would come up with and whip out with a "...just one more thing!" to catch the killer.

[@mystrdat]

Well that's one reference I wouldn't expect to see in a speedrun cheat comment section. Old people rise up

[@dooplon5083]

​​@@mystrdatJust a heads up, young people love columbo still, his style of fucking with criminal's heads fits perfectly with modern humor and so even if they haven't watched the show he still pops up in memes enough to be well known

[@violetdesiree601]

I agree mister jirard your speed run time is impressive and i agree i would celebrate doing such a wonderful thing aswell but there is one thing thats been bothering me sir ,that plumber fella appears to have something in their eyes they keep blinking wildly

[@dooplon5083]

@@violetdesiree601 Well detective....how very perceptive of you. Perhaps running around the mushroom kingdom at such high speeds would put a strain on your eyes, pilots wear goggles for a reason after all, but I'm simply being facetious of course. _flashes an innocent smile_ Yes, if I had to guess perhaps it was a neutrino! Yes, surely you've heard of the neutrino that caused the tick tock clock upwarp, it was all over the news, lieutenant! Perhaps there was a bit of code in his eye blinking function that was messed with, or my cartridge was tilted slightly and I hadn't noticed! You understand, yes?

[@violetdesiree601]

@@dooplon5083 that would do it however this one thing i can explain eh i shouldnt bother i took a lot of your time already

[@DetectiveJones]

I bet when making Super Mario 64 that whoever was involved with making the blinking animations thought it would just be a cool little detail that might not be noticed or appreciated. Only to have it be the key detail that exposes Speed runners decades after the games release.

[@karlcole5617]

they actually probably just chose it was a simple way to do it.

[@themr_wilson]

@@karlcole5617 in a cool and detailed way

[@JamesClark1991]

Am I the only one who appreciated the fact that they chose the number '64' for the amount of frames between blinks? :-)

[@hoodedman6579]

Note that there’s actually like five different types of blinking animations or something for different characters, so it seems like a bunch of people made their own separate versions, rather than one person making them all. Of course, only Mario’s are likely to be useful for checking for cheating.

[@tobiasha93]

@@JamesClark1991 That's prob just because it's a power of 2 (I know the console was named after it as well - still not necessarily a gimmick but intended). Back when the game released optimizing games with small stuff like that was actually still done. Not like today where developers just ignore any optimization and expect endusers to have nasa computers.

[@NeoSaturos123]

I love the phrase "SM64 scientist Pannenkoek". So absurd-sounding, such a perfect descriptor.

[@furrry6056]

Haha. It's Dutch. It means Pancake.

[@Steamworker_Evolair]

​@@furrry6056ngl, the knowledge that his name translates to Pancake is honestly really wholesome and adorable

[@LeoA05]

Queenpwnsalot simp/husband or w/e: "Why is her blindfold run being looked at with the highest of scrutiny compared to everyone else?" Speedrunning community: Lets take a look at a Super Mario 64 record from 12 years ago and pay attention to the 64th frame blink.

[@wildweasel4633]

Not to mention, it was the record for only a DAY. Crazy.

[@nocturnalverse5739]

I know right? Some people just love the hunt.

[@reverieofmusic436]

her simps really are some of the saddest fucking humans ever.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Never doubt the power of autism

[@MindlessMagic]

I don't care about her but by saying that you are kinda confirming what they are saying since why are you mentioning in this video at all? It has nothing to do with that.

[@jnub]

its nuts how people know so much about this game that they now have an essentially bulletproof way to detect splicing based off of the player character blinking. insane.

[@dextersdead]

insane

[@lajeandom]

but wait I'm a bit confused...I understand that the eyes blink at the same exact time consistently, but what is used here is a number of frames right? But depending on the tool used for recording the speedrun in question, and final FPS rate of the video...wouldn't that affect the data? I mean an old video with very low quality is not the same FPS as a recorded video of today on OBS with high bitrate and 60 fps recording...How are they sure that the recording didn't miss a frame somewhere and therefore, that would be why the counting is off?

[@skotiaH2O]

​@@lajeandom My guess is that the problem doesn't subsist because Mario 64 is also a very old game, but i'm not sure

[@yourmomsboyfriend3337]

@@lajeandomvideo framerate is consistent, regardless of how old the software is. It would be simple multiplication to calculate the difference to the video’s framerate and the game’s. Video stuttering and freezing is more difficult, but you’re forgetting that the blink timer should be consistent the entire run. You could easily calculate the frames dropped during a video freeze by analyzing Mario’s movement or more consistent elements

[@Eliholz]

@@lajeandom iirc Drogie goes into more detail on this (linked in the description). Basically they take a 1-2 frame error into account, but it shouldn't deviate more than that even with different frame rates, especially with 60 fps being a multiple of Mario 64's 30 fps.

[@TheShinyTresasLW]

If shigeru has been proven to not splice his runs, and he achieved tsukishima cycle shortly after the faked run, i think we should call it shigeru cycle from now on!

[@ryanclemons1]

I agree

[@okr765]

Unfortunately Shigeru Cycle is already the name for a slower cycle

[@TheShinyTresasLW]

@@okr765 just rename the slow one to "old shigeru" 😅

[@SuicideSeason4545]

You can’t just credit someone for something they didn’t discover

[@plebisMaximus]

@@SuicideSeason4545 tsukishima wasn't credited for discovering it either, just for being the first to hit it in a wr run. from how I understood it, at least.

[@deltalord6969]

Maybe the real cheated speedruns were the frames we spliced along the way

[@atemoc]

Congrats, you won the internet.

[@osheroth]

☠️☠️☠️

[@Marzimus]

😂😂 Comment of the week! ☝️

[@TheHouseOfGod269]

Gold

[@NullScar]

Yeah, as he ☝🏻said, you won Internet today! 😂

[@creative_leafeonpony_fan1545]

"Super Mario 64 scientist" is one of the most ridiculous titles I've ever heard, but by god is examining the mechanics of Mario blinking deserving of such a title. That's science.

[@TheGrimSmile]

If anyone deserves to be called a Super Mario 64 Scientist, it's Pannen. Dude's knowledge and research is absolutely insane. I think Kaze could take the "Super Mario 64 Mad Scientist" title, too.

[@MRKapcer13]

"Looking for anomalies in the" -Splice- "audio track." I saw what you did there. I appreciated it.

[@Zxv975]

Omg I thought that was a production mistake and just thought "huh, Karl normally has really high standards, I wonder how he didn't notice that" and didn't think twice about it, lmao.

[@densai89]

It’s like cracking a cold case. They think they can get away but someone’s always watching.

[@0palOpal0pal]

I'd love to see the folks who comb speedruns like this do something like investigate camera footage from cold cases. Who knows what they could notice? It'd be a little like the hackers who find missing people not only to help, but as a challenge.

[@FalseRadiation]

I see ‘Fake World Record’ , I click

[@enjoisk8er811]

Some of the best content on youtube

[@bartvansliedregt5482]

Indeed

[@rinkincaid5470]

I see "Karl Jobst uploaded" and I click

[@nicerhabara]

I see a new video by Karl Jobst, I click

[@pass_]

I see Mario's nose, I drool in arousal

[@orion.6]

Its nice to see a sponsor thats actually good. I loved the first 2 books in the series and ill read book 3 soon.

[@Jansenbaker]

Happy to hear this series is getting out there. Didn't expect it to pop up here.

[@Michael_R_Miller]

Thanks for reading!! Hope Defiant keeps up the pace for you :)

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

i usally scroll past that so i did not see the sponser its win wiin

[@thegrossmeyer]

Was literally thinking earlier today how I hadn’t seen a new Jobst video in a while and here is a new video! Great insight as usual, who would’ve thought the way they programmed Mario’s eye blinks would be so important nearly 30 years later!!

[@Talon323]

Quite litereally a "blink and you'll miss it" way to find splices.

[@spilledshelf5]

There's going to be a point where cheating detecting is so advanced scores from the 1800s are going to be absolutely pounded

[@starwing1795]

the more advanced we get at detecting, the older the runs we check are

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

"Four score and seven years ago, our president, Abraham Lincoln, set this Speedrun record in Super Mario 64. Thanks to countless people sifting through old footage for thousands of hours, new technology has shown Abraham Lincoln might have faked this speedrun."

[@MG-gt6hp]

"Mrs. Elanor Bartleby of Gary Indiana THOUGHT she could get away with cheating her 1879 potluck social pinochle score, but I SEE ALL."

[@manga_accurate_angel]

I wonder if it'll be harder to detect cheating in black and white.

[@davidjsaul]

I don't think so, these so-called detectives just weren't there to see the run start in second gear!

[@GaussianEntity]

The weird thing is that Pannenkoek made the blinking video a long time ago, including the mechanics of blinking. Surprising that it took much longer to translate that into an anticheat tool.

[@jordananderson2728]

Just like with most discoveries, it's super easy to see that there's a neat new thing that you can use, but it's incredibly hard to translate that into actual use.

[@TrianglePants]

YuGiOh cards that become "broken" years later, in a nutshell.

[@Scarage21]

I often like to say: "life only consists of simple ideas, you just need to have them". Many times a discovery feels so obvious after the fact, but before, simply no one had the idea. Like with the TM cheating scandal. We could have figured out 10 years ago that you can watch the input of a replay, but no one thought about it until someone did ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@GhostLyricist]

I can't believe the speed running community counts the number of blinks Mario does an entire run to confirm or deny a world record. That's some next level dedication

[@randovidupload9422]

It is actually pretty sad...

[@yukisato9997]

@@randovidupload9422 thats what i'm saying, speed running is neat but.. this kinda thing, or terms like sm64 SCIENTIST or HISTORIAN makes me cringe so hard. almost makes me regret clicking the videos in the first place

[@snake3516]

@@yukisato9997 don't really see the harm in a having a bit of fun

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Love the word choice “ancient” for gaming context. For historians we use approximately 2000 years ago

[@snowduck6365]

I really love how formal Karl sounds. For me, it feels like I'm in a business meeting and my boss is talking to me about speedrunning.

[@charlottecorday8494]

This should be a pinned comment

[@gerryjtierney]

​@@charlottecorday8494send feet

[@nocturnalverse5739]

Dude has infinite credibility. If he makes a conclusion I trust it and someone better have the receipts if they doubt it, because he always has receipts.

[@fannaffannaf]

Then your boss ends up being the best boss because he calls you an absolute legend and you KNOW your boss Karl is an absolute legend

[@Fezzezal]

His accent is pretty fun to listen to, honesly

[@Neckromorph]

At this point ways of catching cheaters in speedrunning has become an art in of itself.

[@Smoove_J]

The amount of effort and expertise is pretty ridiculous at every level. This splicing thing sounds like something out of a spy movie.

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

Forensics is a Science field after all

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Someone should speed run catching fake speed runs.

[@tombailey1059]

It's almost like competitive video gaming is a waste of everyone's time.

[@ascott7321]

Dat SM64 scientist.

[@Michael_R_Miller]

Thanks for helping to spread the word on Songs of Chaos, Karl! A big thank you from me to anyone who checks the books out. I really hope you enjoy them :D

[@LachlanMiller]

Great to see you are still writing. I read the Eragon books as they came out - will be checking out your new series.

[@toastle8005]

The moment he compared it to Eragon, I took notice, and thought ‘damn, this might actually be interesting, I haven’t read an actually great fantasy series in a while’. Then the picture came up of the servant boy wearing an eye covering like the rescued dragon, and for the first time in years, I actually clicked straight off to the product being advertised, mid-video. Screw you, in thirty seconds you’ve got me genuinely interested and the concept sounds brilliant. *I’ll take your entire 70-hour stock*

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Eragon is really good definetly checking it out

[@Michael_R_Miller]

@@LachlanMiller Erm I am not Paolini haha - but if you liked Inheritance you'll probably like my Songs of Chaos series

[@Michael_R_Miller]

@@toastle8005 well thank you! I hope you love the adventure so far

[@s1a-l8r15]

I was waiting for when you covered this discovery, it amused me how such a small animation detail can uncover so much in the case of cheaters.

[@fattymcboomboom9254]

10:04 we can call it "cheaters cycle" now. 😂

[@MrEW1985]

Far more sophisticated than Billy Mitchell's work

[@thisisfyne]

Billy would have a fake official plaque claiming his Mario blinking is legit.

[@merchantziro4285]

​​@@thisisfyne Billy would sue his Nintendo 64 for making him look bad.

[@Cynderfan35]

watch out, Billy will sue you for saying that, then try silence you if don't back down/settle outside court

[@GregorDuckman]

"Mario 64 Scientist" Now wait just a damn min- "Pannenkoek" P r o c e e d.

[@napoleonfeanor]

Pancake?

[@Platinscar]

@napoleonfeanor It's from a meme, I think it's pancake in dutch​

[@Liqoh]

@@PlatinscarYeah it translates to pancake in dutch

[@fizzybossyt8675]

​@@Platinscarmeme? I thought that was just the name of someone involved in Mario speedrunning. Or am I misunderstanding you?

[@Platinscar]

@@fizzybossyt8675 maybe it's both

[@bouboulroz]

Mario blinks every 64 frames. Damn, the devs were really having fun with the hidden references. I wonder how many more values they just set at 64 in the game.

[@kennyslg8914]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@shiytp]

They aren't all references. There are hardware limits in the console's 64-bit processor and they use this sequence for consistency in the programming.

[@yourmomsboyfriend3337]

@@shiytpyes, and do you know where they got the name for the console and the game? The processor architecture. It’s still a reference. They didn’t have to put timers on the bit architecture of the CPU when this game was written in C

[@plebisMaximus]

@@shiytp My brand new Ryzen 7900X is also a 64 bit processor. It's not really all that limited by anything but clock speed and the fact it was single core. I don't believe there's anything really significant about the number 64 to a 64 bit processor that makes the code more consistent. It's probably either an easter egg just for the devs or more or less random.

[@whuzzzup]

@@shiytp Yes, as we all know, the highest number is 64 and thus he can not blink any slower. /s No this is certainly not a hardware limit, lol.

[@battle00333]

At 10:20 with the healthbar moving you can also see the timer lingering on 36.7 just a bit longer than the other numbers. its a fraction but noticeable.

[@FurryNonsense]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!"

[@tammytheranger7645]

**Legit Speedrunners surrounds the fakers**

[@xavierstanton8146]

That's crazy to me. Who would think about checking the blinking of Mario of all things to find splices

[@plebisMaximus]

Same type of people who busted another long standing cheated record in Super Meat Boy because a little animated icon in the corner was off by a few frames lol. These people care a lot.

[@Violeto250]

There are people who like to explore small details and stuff that regular people don't mind

[@wacpj1929]

Same type of people who exploit parallel universes in order to optimize arbitrary game metrics. We're talking about a goddamn legend

[@frijolitoazul4343]

I guess this is the same as looking for any kind of idle animation on characters or ambience inside the game, except the blinking is obviously much more hidden and unnoticeable at first, but if an animation such as mario's blinking is consistent during a whole speedrun attempt then that animation should be as much bulletproof evidence as mario's blinking here, we just gotta find these animation cycles in games

[@popdg2412]

To be fair, Mario is always on screen so if there was anywhere to check it's on him

[@Rislear]

kinda funny that Drogie went out of his way to not name the cheater but then Jobst airs him out without a care in the world.

[@MetaKnight68]

as soon as I saw the Drogie video i was like "karl's gonna do a video on this and name them isn't he" and sure enough, here we are

[@LoWsDominios]

If you dont wanna get exposed for doing bad things dont do them in the first place. Plain and simple. Edit: I find fitting that if tbe record was public, the exposing should be too, regarding that It altered public records on a public competition.

[@mandowarrior123]

In Japan you get in trouble for defamation even if the allegations are true.

[@jkazos]

@@mandowarrior123 Stuff like that makes me glad to be in the US, despite the other problems we still have. Losing freedoms makes it harder to keep from losing everything else.

[@bomric1788]

Not name-and-shaming video game hackers/cheaters is such empty virtue signaling. It's a video game, not SA or something

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Cheaters don't deserve anything named after them. Remove Tsukishima cycle, and replace it with Blink-and-you-will-miss-it cycle. :)

[@LilacMonarch]

Like in Link's Awakening when you steal and then his name gets changed to THIEF, we should call it CHEATER cycle

[@ProperDev]

I'm stealing this for my next run. Love this title lol.

[@Dr_Andracca]

@@LilacMonarch The splice cycle works too.

[@Dr_Andracca]

Shorten it to the BAYWMI("bay-me" or "baw-me") cycle maybe? Also what's fucking stupid is we could just make a new category that allows for splicing together your best splits. Sure, it may not be as popular as standard runs, but I'm sure people would still be interested in being able to upload their best splits. That way failed attempts/old runs aren't just fully trashed.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

karl is cheater too ^_^ i deserve a Pocal

[@Ashfold_Eberesche]

Man, even though I knew about this method I still watched the whole video and the 12 minutes flew by. That's why you're one of the very few channels that I'm subscribed to and have "rung the bell" so I see every video you post. I've literally watched every video on your channel and I consider it time well spent. Also, big congratulations on 1M subs - I don't remember how many you had when I initially subscribed (I want to say I remember it being sub 100k? I remember I first started watching when you did your first Doom Eternal video and then uploaded a Celeste video next and from there I was hookeD) but that's an insane milestone and you 100% deserve it. All the best from across the gap in NZ, Ashfold.

[@BlountForce]

I’ve seen every video now that you’ve done in the last 3-4 years, at least within 24 hours of the upload. I love your channel

[@ElMaxRaikkonen]

I read 12 years later My mind: ooh so 2005 Reality: 2011 Me: 😮😮

[@huguesdepayens807]

Yes, I'm 20 not 14.

[@caileyrookids]

@@williampotter3369 They were saying the run happened in 2011, not that it's currently 2011.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

ahahahah h no you tub in 2leek5 :P there was not even xbox

[@IronWangCreates]

Ow

[@P_l_B]

What pisses me off the most in cases like this is that the guy clearly had the skill to speedrun at a high level but either got impatient or greedy. I'm sure if there was a solid system in place to easily detect fake runs speedrunning would have another big surge in popularity but sadly we live in a world where Karl Jobst delivers great vids exposing a small amount of the caught cheaters, at least we get that positive out of it.

[@aspzx]

I think this has been mentioned in other Karl Jobst videos but there is a tendency for highly skilled players to feel justified in cheating because they think they have the skills necessary to achieve a record anyway. Often they will say something like "I was only speeding up the time it would take to grind to get the right RNG for WR". They think it's not cheating because they are just tipping the scale of luck rather than skill. Even in a run like SM64 where RNG is less important, you can argue that whether you get BLJ on your first try is just a matter of luck once you know how to do it.

[@plebisMaximus]

@@aspzx I think the exact quote he's used a few times is they "Don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster", which sums it up real nice.

[@tobiasha93]

@@aspzx If I remember correctly it was in the Dream video. Definitely in a minecraft one though. They "deserve" a world record so instead of grinding the hours they reduce the grind required to get that one good RNG run. Absolutely ridiculous dogshit take but apparently it helps them sleep at night.

[@cheetah219]

They're basically gaslighting themselves into believing they worked hard enough to be the best when in reality they simply didn't and they took a record away from people who did put in the work. That's the worst part.

[@Dr_Andracca]

@@plebisMaximus I'd actually be cool with a "best splits" or a "low/no RNG" category. It'd kind of be like a set-seed thing imo. Sure, it may be more of a practice-category and probably wouldn't be as popular, but is someone setting a speed record for a split while practicing not still impressive?

[@hellterminator]

Drogie: I'll protect the cheater's privacy and call him Hasu64. Karl: *TSUKISHIMA*

[@LilacMonarch]

I was wondering why the name didn't sound familiar. Totally forgot about the fake name thing

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

I mean, I think it's fair. If you're proven beyond reasonable doubt to be a cheater, I don't think the accusation has any responsibility to hide your identity whatsoever.

[@hellterminator]

@@ZenoDovahkiin Oh, absolutely. And morality aside - as I commented on the original video - I think it's actually counterproductive. Making any would be harassers invest the (couple minutes of) effort into identifying the cheater makes them _more_ likely to follow through with the actual harassment. I was just tickled by the juxtaposition.

[@CommandoBlack123]

Imagine not naming a cheater by their account name

[@intergalacticolive]

@USER_97133what a clown thing to say lmao. stop defending cheaters, they need to be outed. bet you do this to other people aside from defending just world record cheaters

[@messiah2203]

Did anyone else hope the new method of splice detection was tying the runner down to a chair and having Terry Crews scream: "DID YOU SPLICE YOUR RUN?" in their face until they cry?

[@mrboberson7424]

I love that the audio was cut together while you were explaining splicing

[@Rickfernello]

This makes me feel a bit sad, because even though cheat finding methods have been advancing, this shows that even old scores can stick around for this long, and cheating methods themselves also advance. It's important to keep increasing standards for speedrunning and challenge running that makes cheating more unlikely. Finding that stuff from blinking is very genius, really shows how deeply runners understand the games they play. Thanks for the video!

[@tobiasha93]

It's also sad on another level. You'd think before speedrunning got as popular as it is today the people actually had some sort of honor code about it. But apparently not. Cheater galore since day one.

[@vtubersubs3803]

It's not really that genius. The way these people analyze the game it's actually shocking it took until now for someone to realize the consistent blinking could be used to detect spliced runs.

[@Deeptunester]

This is the speedrunning equivalent of genetic genealogy being used to solve 50+ year old crimes. Fascinating stuff.

[@RandomGuy0987]

The algorithm just served me a bunch of videos about true crime and the advent of dna forensics... coincidence?

[@thomasflanagan505]

I'm a Show-off, I love showing off my Ability in something... the thought of faking it and then putting my performance out to the masses to see "My Achievement" makes me physically ill.

[@EnglishTimewithMrChris]

I feel the same way. When I was playing GoldenEye on the Wii I joined a hacked match with an XP booster that leveled me up way more than I should have been. I was halfway to the top level of 56 at the time and I deleted my online file and restarted and grinded all the way to a legit level 56 lol. I have always been the type that needs to 100% a game. I replayed all of Grand Theft Auto 3 because one of the decisions I made in the game caused me to be stuck at 99%.

[@boiledelephant]

There'd be no satisfaction in it, for sure. Every time I've used cheat codes in a single player game (which is basically intended play) I just feel detached and lose all interest in the game. I guess some people just really, really need validation by any means.

[@johannajf7914]

The only satisfaction would be in being a good enough editor that you can fool people for multiple years. They have editing skills not speedrunning skills.

[@iAMxVV]

The cycle should be renamed and dedicated the "Pannen Cycle".

[@jaredbeckwith]

Looking at spectrograms of the audio is genius! We use similar tech to detect seizures from changes in brain wave frequencies.

[@Maddness101]

You want the truth? Just look into Mario’s eyes.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

TETTE MIIII! MARIÅÅÅÅÅ! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@StickFiguresMaster]

YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

[@jeremiah5511]

"I did not cheat, its bOolshit! Im not a cheater, i did NAHT." "Oh hey karl jobst." *edit* I really can't believe so many of you guys know about The Room. In fact I don't BELIEVE this many people know about The Room

[@Anon-lu6ct]

😂

[@Mzero00x]

I understood that reference!

[@infjmale91]

"I lost the run to RN- Karl Jobsts".

[@john_blues]

(Throws water bottle)

[@Gigawood]

Beautiful 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ScrubMyTub]

Tsukishima Cycle? More like Splicer Shuffle

[@hariman7727]

Or Cheater Cycle.

[@aidanhogan-thomas1797]

Just make it shigeru cycle. Call the other one old shigeru, now the guy who hit it in a run for the first time has the name.

[@hariman7727]

@@aidanhogan-thomas1797 that works too.

[@huguesdepayens807]

Tsukishima shaker

[@hlcyn7]

1:39 “Historically, the most common way to detect splicing is by looking for anomalies in the” *audio splice* “audio track.” Very smooth, Karl

[@junglekun22]

Was not expecting a pannenkoek name drop here but hell yeah I’m glad people are discovering him.

[@whoons4701]

Grats on 1 mill subs Karl!

[@bellermVA]

Just like Link is called Thief once you steal something in the shop, we should call the cycle the "Cheater Cycle" now.

[@ki11m3please325]

YAY!! Just noticed the 1 million. You deserve every single one of them with your hard work. Gratz man!

[@3Guys1Video]

SM64 speedruns can rival Batman as the worlds greatest detectives with all these hawk eye visions on cheating

[@Macc_]

Mario, is this run spliced? One blink for yes, two for no.

[@PureNrGG]

I'm sorry to say Karl, but there is another explanation for Mario's inconsistent blinking. His game cartridge was dirty, and we all know dirty cartridges can cause all sorts of weird scenarios. It explains every single time a "cheated" moment pops up. Ps. This is 100% sarcasm

[@mandowarrior123]

I'm a physician, mario must have been nervous.

[@PureNrGG]

@@mandowarrior123 it's a shame we live in a world where if someone blinks wrong, they get cyberbullied 😭

[@1SpicyMeataball]

Mario had dry eye. Many such sad cases. 😔

[@Hublium]

no it was a rogue cosmic ray

[@benfrese3573]

@@1SpicyMeataball it's horrible

[@illogicalJason]

“Remember, no speed runner wants to be exposed by Karl Jobst”

[@Skoopyghost]

I am not gay, but Karl looks like he works out. If anyone can expose themselves to me. It's better to Karl than out of shape old guy.

[@urlocallazerbird8531]

@@Skoopyghost what the hell is this comment?! LMFAO

[@asaasa7900]

@@urlocallazerbird8531 Look I mean I am gay, Karl DOES look pretty nice. Still uhh... a weird comment?

[@Anon-lu6ct]

This is shocking with someone who was supposed to be a foundation for SM64 speed running

[@Tolly7249]

Videos like this are why I love this channel so much. I learn cool new esoteric things about video games and speedrunning that I never even considered before!

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

escootric ????

[@realhojo4]

Another amazing video, as usual. Thanks for the content!

[@bunnygirl8]

whilst it makes sense it was just forgotten due to how short it lasted and such, i do find it interesting this record wasn't mentioned at all in summoning salt's 16 star video, where he specifically said he wouldn't mention cheated runs, yet it of course wasn't known as cheated at the time

[@luke2806]

in the current online landscape of streaming and pro gaming being a highly popular and financially lucrative thing, cheating in a game is like robbing a bank with no possibility of jail time. bad people can just cash out big time by being fake (and they are) and theres probably a LOT of people on twitch and youtube cheating right now. some of the biggest creators have been caught cheating, and even in huge tournaments theres people caught cheating.

[@mtb1392]

Drogie: “I’m not going to give their name bc they’ve already been punished” Karl: “Yeah so here’s a picture of his house” 😂

[@dafeac]

F@ck I know, I watched Drogie and I was ok with not knowing who it was, it was very wholesome of Drogie to do that, now is awkward

[@TheMiracleMatter]

@@dafeac It was very dumb because he didn't even hide the name properly. I could see it on his own video at approximately 4:47 iirc.

[@sailor5853]

It was stupid to go out of your way to protect a nickname of a speedrunner

[@Verlisify]

Pokemon, Minecraft, CoD, Mario. Very upsetting every game having so many cheaters at the top. Pokemon VGC is the worst tho, every top player cheats

[@narrihson8747]

It’s cool how the devs implementing such an inconsequential feature would come in handy almost 30 years later

[@SunnyTacos]

I love watching these videos, they are so informative, I love speedruns but I don’t speedrun myself because I lack the skill and patience, but even after watching hundreds of these across the years I still cant really tell if a run is fake or not, it amazes me to see how the community is so dedicated and talented to notice even the smaller details, thanks a bunch Karl you always tech me new stuff.

[@CriticalNobody]

It's always fascinating to see how the smallest detail snowballs into the complete deconstruction of a record. Also hope you're doing well after the surgery Karl!

[@C0Assassin]

I love how pannekoek is referred to as the residential sm64 scientist lmao

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

Pancace is a swenglish world. you took it from us as loan world, it is pang caca in other nanguage

[@MarMaxGaming]

Mario’s eyes telling all lies is such poetic justice

[@JackHarb89]

I on and off follow different Speed Runners, but I can't get enough of these dramas. Not especially because of the drama, but because I admire the dedication of the speed running community to come up with all these ideas to fight cheating. The depth of the knowledge is astounding. Just crazy. So inspiring :)

[@cubinator3826]

12 years without getting exposed is crazy.

[@TheMiracleMatter]

At least Truth and Justice *eventually* caught up to him.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

not really it is getting diffisylt because all run is now the same . and all may be splicing so they cant shame one without getting banned themself

[@cubinator3826]

@@TheMiracleMatter yeah

[@Lumlle]

Can we just appreciate how well done Karl’s videos are? They’re always so well explained and palatable

[@BladeCrossEXE]

My friends, it just keeps happening- Wait, wrong speedrun channel.

[@jimmywarner7559]

It feels like I’m watching L from Deathnote come up with some crazy method of trying to prove Light is Kira

[@calebos268]

6:10 Yeah baby. You can play like TAS. Very impressive. Back in 2004 I head the 16 Star world record for several years. Holy Moly

[@mooseot]

Karl is that odd youtuber that I look forward to watching his videos even though I mostly don't give a shite about any of the topics he covers... Anyone else that way?

[@sachagd8796]

pannenkoek being called a super mario 64 scientist is so funny

[@RadkeMaiden]

He literally is, though. He makes a theoretical framework for what is possible in SM64, and then be backs up his hypotheses with experimental evidence.

[@thisisfyne]

because it's true

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

I mean is it wrong?

[@sachagd8796]

@@RadkeMaiden yeah i know that, but like calling somebody who play/create TAS for a video game a scientist will always be funny to me. I think you see what i mean, like the common perception of scientist is quite different from people like pannenkoek even though i agree that based on the definition, we could call pannekoek a scientist.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

Tchae maybee the sort of hening employer :P he misses a detail so he is catch

[@Caydiem]

Yo, welcome back, Karl. I was starting to miss your videos.

[@NiallHatton]

Why cheat, what excatly does someone feel proud about holding a record that is fake?

[@IronWangCreates]

You’re thinking about the satisfaction being from achievement, when for cheaters the satisfaction comes from being praised They want to be known as the best, they don’t care about actually being the best

[@michaelgamel5915]

Ive never seen someone sponsored by a writer before! Its a nice change of tone it feels lile all sponsors now a days are big corporations for big online products

[@Portponky]

Oh dang, Peter Kenny is legit a really good narrator.

[@Michael_R_Miller]

He sure is! Takes the books to another level

[@doodle1565]

Here to feel like an absolute legend

[@Anon-lu6ct]

I’m feeling it now 🧽

[@BarelyRunning]

Congratulations to 1 mil subscribers. Always enjoy your videos.

[@Tenchigumi]

Okay, I didn't care at all about the audible book suggestion until you mentioned Peter Kenny. That dude is AMAZING in the Witcher audiobooks. You immediately got my attention after that.

[@Michael_R_Miller]

Peter is terrific! Big thanks in advance if you do check my books out :D

[@jeverydk]

Massive shoutout, to actually having a sponsorship, that potentially could get some people to read a book (if they dont listen to the audiobook)

[@Michael_R_Miller]

Read or listen, I don't care so long as you're enjoying the story!

[@ChainikVlad]

Mario, blink twice if you are cheating

[@xdx1990]

Grats on the 1M subs, stoked for you man.

[@EastyyBlogspot]

What a blinking good idea, we shall call it the Blinking cycle or Drogie cycle

[@jimmyrotten1652]

Glad you're back. I was just checking yesterday to see if I missed anything and saw that it had been a while.

[@shawn576]

This is mind boggling. I don't care about speed running at all, but the way people detect cheating is fascinating. This is like CIA level detective work just to catch people lying about their time in a video game. People in the real world get away with literal murder all the time, but people who cheat in speed runs eventually get caught by this elite level detective work.

[@__1201]

Livestreaming isn't full proof. While it eliminates the possibility of splicing, you still can't expose someone who's playing on a modified rom or running software that alters game behavior on a PC. The only fool proof way of ensuring someone isn't cheating is playing live in-person at a venue and they provide the hardware and game.

[@electricindigoball1244]

Exactly. Requiring the run to be streamed also prevents some people from competing simply because their ISP doesn't offer a good enough connection or because they can't handle the pressure of livestreaming.

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

I don't think Karl was suggesting that streaming is all the proof needed (I mean, he's done videos on people who cheated on-stream) or that it needs to be a requirement necessarily, but yeah. Fact is, if you really want to get into it, actually making things *impossible* to cheat also raises the bar of entry and the complexity and feasibility of enforcing rules immensely. At some point, you really do just have to make the rules "good enough" and apply judge of character when things seem legit under the methods we have, unless you're the kind of person who looks at what the OP's suggesting and thinks "hey that's a good idea, why aren't we requiring that for proof standards? also we need drug testing".

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

There's even one instance of a streamer who pre-recorded a stream starting with claiming he was having issues with chat in general and that he wouldn't receive any alerts or messages. As it turns out, that was a cover up for a murder he committed the same day.

[@tobiasha93]

@@LonelySpaceDetective While I get the point I think this is a bit extreme. This isn't only on a technical level. What are you going to do about people that would be insane runners but aren't good in front of (digital) crowds? They might get world records in private because they can focus properly but the moment they are streaming they get too nervous to reach the same level. Streaming your attempts obviously has advantages but I don't feel it is right to exclude non-streaming people from competing. Also kind of puts every non-streamer at generalized suspicions of being a cheater when they aren't streaming for reasons out of their control entirely. I'm not a big fan of that honestly.

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

@@tobiasha93 I actually agree with you, if that wasn't clear! I don't think livestreaming should necessarily be a hard requirement. It's nice in that it helps curb some potential cheating avenues, but it's not really going to stop anyone determined enough.

[@fairyboy444]

i love reading and had just picked up a couple books today, before work. one of the books was the silmarillion. All being said, i love this advertisement and will definitely support you for this one, king👑 May fantasy never fail🤺

[@Michael_R_Miller]

oh fantastic! Thanks in advance if you do check Songs of Chaos out - hope you enjoy them and the Silmarillion both!

[@fairyboy444]

@@Michael_R_Miller ohh, you exist! if you’re able to read this, i have a question. what/who are your quick inspirations? for instance, i love brandon sanderson and all his works as well. if possible, please let me know! thanks!

[@Michael_R_Miller]

@@fairyboy444 Mistborn is a favorite of mine and I enjoy the harder magic Sanderson does - you'll find that in SoC. Inheritance Cycle was the biggest influence on me growing up (hence my taking on the dragon rider epic as well). Other favs include, LOTR, A Song of Ice and Fire, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. Been getting into Practhett recently too. Cradle by Will Wight was also a big inspiration for Songs of Chaos.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

sounds fantasic

[@PopADoseYo]

Always look forward to a video from Karl!

[@SamWeltzin]

Glad I could watch Drogie's video first and then watch this one and get some new things out of it. That's why I like this channel: There's always a proper amount of Karl's own research and explanation put into the videos.

[@alexrexaros9837]

Super Mario 64 is this kinda game that has so many tiny details that really don't mean much but make all the difference for a Speedrunner. They outed a cheater because of Mario's blinking and the darn UI. We know this game too darn well.