period drama costume designers these days

Piero Tosi died last week and it made me really sad. he was one of the first to understand how staying close to history can actually make the film costumes fascinating, not boring. sadly, I'm beginning to think he was also one of the last - today's mainstream cinema is all about "making things relatable for the modern viewer".
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[@KazdyMnieZna]

Is it that important when you get content like this? I bet nobody would even notice. Stereotypically 99% men would not even care, you're still beautifull even without these black pixels on my screen UwU

[@Anna-os5gw]

Reiwilo i don’t think she meant eyeliner lol. she’s talking about her eyes looking in the right direction

[@KazdyMnieZna]

@@Anna-os5gw oh shit.................

[@AleksanderRewinskiTenor]

No problem. Amazing scene!

[@alanfish91]

Oh no! Not the eyelines!

[@Alias_Anybody]

The men will also wear their swords on the backs and everyone has perfect teeth.

[@PyrotechNick77]

Its ok, you can say assassins creed.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@PyrotechNick77 It at least has practical reasons in film (long swords can annoy actors). In games, there is no excuse.

[@bejbimama6689]

Alias Anybody You mean like Got where Sansa and Dany has got a eyeshadows, eyeliners and false lashes? 😇

[@lordofrims]

People didn't have bad teeth, most people had actually maybe not white teeth, but they were quite sane as sugar wasn't industrialized in the mid centuries, it was more around 18th/19th century when sugar standardized a bit more even so it was expensive.

[@Xia-hu]

@@PyrotechNick77 fantasy movies are fine, movies that are supposed to be historical movies, not so much.

[@nachoolo]

This ain't even exagerated comedy. I've seen cases where Historical advisors were downright ignored and insulted to the point of leaving the production or asking for their names to not appear in the credits.

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

Lindybeige has a pretty good old video on that particular factor iirc.

[@danilopez7945]

@@clockworkkirlia7475 hi! How could I search for it? He has like 500+ videos and I can't find the right one :(

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

@@danilopez7945 Here ya go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3upd3-srLN_oq8

[@danilopez7945]

@@clockworkkirlia7475 thank you!

[@lavalamp915]

Ahh. A fellow nacho, greetings

[@maogu1999]

"Why does that matter?" "BECAUSE IT'S A CENTURY" I mean one doesn't even have to be accustomed to historical apparel to understand that.

[@downtoncatbey8596]

YES!!!! So on point!

[@ElveeKaye]

1905 garments were far different than 1995 garments. Same century, very different styles. I don't know why movie makers can't figure out that other centuries were the same way.

[@KonFess]

Most people believe that the 18th Century was from 1699 - 1709. They think it only refers to the first 10 years, & not 100.

[@greggoodman3303]

@@KonFess Oh, you sweet summer child... Most people belive that XVIII century was from 1800 to 1900...

[@KonFess]

@@greggoodman3303 I've been told this many times, but I've yet to see it happen in person.

[@christianj5950]

I’ve noticed that the heroine almost always has loose hair that will look pretty to modern audiences, whereas side characters or villains have more period-typical elaborate hairstyles meant to show them being conceited or looking ridiculous

[@chevalierdupapillon]

Good point. I think this can be extended to producers thinking 'Give the Hero/Heroine a completely modern mentality*) so he/she is more relatable to the audience, whereas the villains will have a vaguely old-fashioned attitude' - at least I have come across so many instances of it in period movies that I'd find it hard to explain otherwise. *) Think "What do you mean I am a king#s daughter and you a peasant and we can't marry? Everybody is equal, and we should really end this whole monarchy thing because it is just, like, so unfair..."

[@jonquilgemstone]

@@chevalierdupapillon Yeah, for once I would love to see a protagonist with a mindset typical of the period. And I don't mean stereotyped, either. Overcoming the status gap between lovers, for instance: it would be much more interesting to see that as a hurdle to overcome for the main characters, worrying about the impact on their status and the expectations of their loved ones. It would cause hesitation, which would be eroded over the course of the movie as the characters' relationship develops. I think that woupd be better than"everyone else oppresses me, but I'm gonna yeet our whole system into the 21st century in an hour and a half."

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@chevalierdupapillon True, there is also an element of "Whig History" (as today's historians call it) which is basically "us good, them bad" with us being people who are alive and them being people who were alive 500 years ago. It's sort of propaganda for our own society with whoever happened to have come before being "primitive" and having to resemble us in some way in order to be thought of as a decent person.

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@jonquilgemstone That's a good point - internal conflict can sometimes be more interesting (or at least, just as interesting) as external conflict.

[@aleigna9068]

Just like in the Barbie movies lol

[@marisp2588]

I believe this is EXACTLY how the meeting for Bridgerton went down

[@-NemoMeImpuneLacessit]

I can't believe how that pile of crap is being lauded.

[@maxxon99]

@@-NemoMeImpuneLacessit Apparently because it's so "brave and diverse" or something... (Haven't seen it myself nor do I really have interest to)

[@cooterscooter3202]

@@maxxon99 the first couple of episodes were interesting, kind of a mish mash of different historical themes in some vaguely English time period. Turned into a softcore porn with some over exaggerated drama aimed at women after that though.

[@Livelongwforce]

For sure.

[@Alastair510]

@@-NemoMeImpuneLacessit We lasted 10 min into the first episode, then decided it was carp.

[@abigailisgood2361]

“If the women have their hair up, how will the audience know they’re women!! Women have long hair!!”

[@ellaheap4296]

True 😂

[@moodymoods9261]

How could we forget the push up bras too! How else would the audience know that they have boobs!

[@MichalBreslau]

And boooooobs.

[@celestinarudenbelk7498]

then Joan of arc was a guy after all

[@nathanwhiting5475]

Dudes who say this are suspect for real. If you have to see long hair to know its a women you're probably gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that but just saying..

[@_bealovesmusic]

I just love the look of disappointment on her face every time her idea gets rejected.

[@VOLAIRE]

I would be too :/

[@andreasw1202]

pure betrayal

[@lolaloliepop]

The Polish side eye (tm)

[@greenoatmealandham]

the pursed lips killed me

[@carrotsandcucumbers8214]

Kajkage¿

[@RyuzakiHirokai]

I'm a hair designer for movies and theatre. I went to school for six years to learn complicated and historical hairstyles. I can create accurate and iconic styles that are gorgeous and breathtakingly complicated. What does everyone want? F***ing beach waves. You want your historically inaccurate and boring hairstyles? Do them yourself. I didn't train and study for years in preparation for a career that just ends up giving every actor for every movie your f***ing beach waves. Long story short, I feel you in this video 😭

[@InfiniteApollo12]

Can you do Queen Genepil’s hair?

[@imagaybanana2004]

GO 👏🏻 OFF 👏🏻 QUEEN 👏🏻

[@cattycorner8]

The hair is my biggest complaint in most productions. lol "F***ing beach waves" exactly.

[@dakotamabry1645]

I'm laughing but it's also Terrible , I'm so sorry

[@pseudonamed]

it's such a shame because there is such a huge diversity in really elaborate hairstyles, some incorporating veils and hats and things, and we so rarely get to see all that even though it's really interesting.

[@Lyndiloo]

Karolina looking like she's about to straight up strangle Karolina is everything I needed.

[@PestoPasta666]

Basically my last braincell trying to get things done when my next-to-last braincells get distracted with other things 😂

[@bho-lj1jk]

I’m pretty sure two of those women are stalking one of those women. LOCK THE DOOR!

[@annabelletittel8615]

"Wait Vikings were clean? And wore silk? And had some of the first combs? No, give the man more mud and dreads instead of plaits"

[@beth7935]

Combs go a *lot* further back than the Vikings, but yeah, they bathed & washed their hair & beards every Saturday, & liked to look good going into battle. And when they were past the raiding, raping & pillaging stage, & settled in the Danelaw etc., apparently the Anglo-Saxon ladies were impressed by how clean & well-groomed they were, compared to Anglo-Saxon men. (Just talking about male Vikings here, as we tend to, but the women were obviously the same).

[@RailwayPenguin]

Furthermore, I think a Muslim writer described that the Vikings had poor hygiene in his documentary of his travels.

[@mrknarf4438]

@@EllaAngeli that is probably false, but there's still controversy around it. I wouldn't state is as a fact. Look it up.

[@EllaAngeli]

@@mrknarf4438 It is a general noun but tis more traditionally a verb

[@mrknarf4438]

@@EllaAngeli any source for that? 'cause I've read translations of old tombstones where it was used as a name

[@mashaparfenenko905]

The only unrealistic thing in this video is that they use the word “stays”. I’m pretty sure filmmakers just call them corsets no matter the decade they’re talking about...

[@dkjcb3993]

Yeah, no I think that's accurate. I'm not a film fanatic, but I, personally, have never heard Hollywood, or anything similar use any other word than 'corset'.

[@Octoberfurst]

I think stays and corsets are two different things.

[@mashaparfenenko905]

@@Octoberfurst yeah... that’s the point

[@kallarae927]

@@Octoberfurst yeah, most people call stays “corsets” despite being two completely different things. OGs point is that the director wouldn’t have called them stays they would have said corset.

[@codyeasonBGR]

I think it was a costume department meeting they would use correct terms

[@kulrigalestout]

"Historical Advisor" is another term for "Nerd we Hired to Give This Production the Illusion of Caring About the Setting".

[@pearlofthedarkage]

This is what I heard: "I want a historical movie, but I don't want actual history to mess up my movie."

[@ireneultramarine244]

It's so absurd I wonder what the director really wanted

[@VesperDoesStuff]

It's like saying "I want a lover who is tall, at least 9ft, muscular, but not too muscular, and intelligent, but not so intelligent it makes me look dumb."

[@lasyapriya7278]

Accurate

[@lisaa4446]

They should just make it in the present day

[@theburgersystem126]

Pretty much period dramas in a nutshell

[@anastasiamoss7818]

Imagine telling them that women back then didn't shave....

[@raakone]

That would have added a full five minutes to this film, the reactions.

[@Eisenwulf666]

They do now? What kind of women are you going out with?

[@angelswings8344]

@@Eisenwulf666 Some people don't shave though..

[@CatharticCreation]

@@hankt8491 why not? i wanna see this yosemite sam woman onscreen asap. fuck your standards.

[@DivineLightPaladin]

@@CatharticCreation same

[@eddie-roo]

I want a 20th century period drama where the outfits are like: a flapper dress with a 1950's skirt silhouette, a neon colored cap, a varsity jacket, rainbow leg warmers and mismatched converse shoes.

[@howaboutnow1895]

Cringe, I love it.

[@chungin955]

Soooooooooo something out of jojos bizarre adventure then?

[@MLBlue30]

I could see that happening.

[@crhu319]

We will be there by 2040.

[@somedragonbastard]

Just complete anachronism pls

[@Awfulfeature]

“Critics say this is one of the most historically accurate drama’s out there.”

[@legallycritter4984]

Oh god not that....

[@adekaiwamisou]

Reason number 154.485 to not trust critics.

[@Timbyte]

"Studded leather armor")))

[@GreenPixel-Moosie]

It's actually not a reason to not trust the critics, it just means the others are even worse

[@fretbuzz59]

*dramas Grrrh!

[@GothMermaidGamer]

The part where they laugh at her for saying that audiences can handle costumes being historically accurate, just shows how stupid Hollywood thinks we are

[@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices]

Exactly.

[@businessproyects2615]

Hollywood armor can be cut in half with a sword, their bullets kill instantaneusly if you are the bad guy, physics just doesn't matter, and if you are a cop is easier to catch the evil doer after closing the case. And silencers actually are silent. Hollywood sucks at accuracy on a way that's overkill. When is anime i ignore innacuracies, but when it looks real is annoying to find something that should't be there.

[@chickknightgreenleaf820]

@@businessproyects2615 the funny part is, some anime actually do thing accurate

[@businessproyects2615]

@@chickknightgreenleaf820 Like Goku's powerups, just kidding

[@sleepysera]

"how stupid Hollywood *knows* we are" ;) Fixed that for you. There's a reason they sell their movies for insane amounts of money all over the world and small art productions usually don't.

[@FaerieBlanc]

Once someone pointed out how horrible "modern" makeup looks with outfits in a "period" piece, it's gotten difficult to unsee how bad a mix it is

[@ReptilianTeaDrinker]

True story.

[@susanalopez5052]

Give them winged liner and a perfectly blended Smokey eye 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@bodyofhope]

@@susanalopez5052 are you calling out the tv show, Reign? 😂

[@susanalopez5052]

Mary M oopsie🌚

[@stayforthepeelpronpls4774]

Yess that always bugged me and actually put me off from watching certain shows 😂😂😂

[@ashlinggrace4744]

*costume meeting for little women 2019*

[@anidleteen]

Costume designers: what's a bonnet?

[@ruthadri1]

Those actresses does not even have tjeir hair done, less even a bonnet our a cap , and those short skirts! lol

[@WesMordine]

Presided by Emma Watson.

[@sofia_rms]

@@WesMordine she wasn't in charge of the costumes, what?

[@VesperDoesStuff]

@@sofia_rms I think hes talking about the fail of belles outfit in the new adaptation of beauty and the beast, where Emma said that she didn't want to wear a corset.

[@ruthannemarie2668]

This is like when artists say “it’s my style!” Without studying anatomy and making efforts to be technically skilled before twisting the rules of anatomy to their style

[@pseudonymousentity5334]

YES

[@brianriff8550]

I mean yeah but also you can't expect all artists to draw anatomically accurate human bodies for years before they're allowed to start drawing cartoon characters Art is supposed to be expressive and fun, so study shouldn't be forced on in a way that makes the process of creating feel stifled

[@notclintdempsey6106]

@@brianriff8550 no one’s expecting all artists to do figure drawings, but you should at least have some knowledge of how parts are attached/how the body is shaped beforehand. Art can be expressive and fun and also show an understanding of anatomy.

[@brianriff8550]

@@notclintdempsey6106 I mean, fair point! I just feel like sometimes this view of art can be intimidating and alienating to newcomers

[@frostyskeletons8950]

@@brianriff8550 yeah, I feel like this sentiment might be better directed towards professional artists specifically rather than artists as a whole. Otherwise, it just feels gatekeep-y for no reason. I don’t think it’s fair to put a “right and wrong” on how to do casual art since it’s about expression more than technique

[@ophelia4825]

Also, the older (usually villainous) female characters wear completely accurate clothing. But the young heroines wear basically modern clothes

[@ShinSeul]

Beauty and the Beast live action...

[@JackgarPrime]

How else will we know which character we're supposed to sympathize with? Because everyone knows audiences won't be able to sympathize with a female character unless they're sexy, duh!

[@sztallone415]

@@JackgarPrime eh, not even necessarily sexy, I think, but rather they try to make heroines more relatable to build up, as you said, the sympathy factor. so, to our modern eyes they have to look 'good', and sexy is one facet of looking good. others are cute, stylish, badass, etc.

[@JackgarPrime]

@@sztallone415 Sure, but for the sake of this video we're talking about cleavage specifically.

[@sztallone415]

@@JackgarPrime Pardon, but why exactly? Neither the video, nor the OP of this thread highlighted cleavage as some super important element, and (thankfully) didn't construct the whole narrative around the topic of mandatory sexyness of female characters. While that's a huge issue, the video isn't about Just that - it's a subtopic of inaccurate presentation, stemming from the simple facts that creators think we won't like a movie unless it's as close to what (they think) we're used to as possible, and they're unable to create something not based on their own views. Prime example: long loose hairstyle

[@valentinatrls3865]

"we don't want realness, we want magic" Actually watching a period drama/movie that has historically accurate costumes is so magical and satisfying

[@caligulalonghbottom2629]

not really always the case. If 'The Favourite' had been done with completely accurate costumes, it would have ruined the film. The way they did it though was still 'accurate' enough. The silhouettes seemed realistic but the fabrics and colorsand treatmens were not. But if they put them in a bunch of random accurate colourways then it would have been a mess.

Caligula Longhbottom I agree, I think that’s the case of knowing what you’re twisting. In “The Favorite” you can clearly tell just by looking at the costumes that the designer knew exactly what she was doing, had a wide knowledge of fashion at the time and used that knowledge well. A lot of the times the designers start “twisting” the fashion without actually knowing it first

[@caligulalonghbottom2629]

@ They also got the historical makeup more correct...its patchy and blotchy on the men, wigs are messy and ratty, not completely pristine and lacefront..ala "Versailles" Another thing thats important that nobody seems to care about is production design/the sets. The Favourite's sets also work in its favor. A costume drama with shitty sets can be equally as disappointing. I did try to see if they forgot to move anything rococo from Hatfield House but everything looks early 18th century and before. Good thing too since IDK if they could move any of the art on the walls anyway... Another good example IMO is Harlots. They aren't completely accurate at all but the show isn't ruined because of it. Also the sets are beautiful...I think lots of Farrow and Ball nuanced paint colors...

[@AlexaFaie]

@@caligulalonghbottom2629 They can move the art in most places - they have to in order to clean and preserve/restore them. My Mum has actually helped out at a couple of National Trust places during their "dusting down" where they give everything a thorough clean, check the conservation status of all the objects, and shuffle around the collections so that different items go out on show and others go into storage. Paintings can and do get moved around, sometimes they get loaned out to different houses, especially if there is a known history of the painting having spent time at both places back when there were still families living there. You'd be surprised just what they can and do do to get the places to look a certain way. Because those houses stayed in the family for so long that they saw many style changes. So changing up the furniture to show off a different time period happens, loaning of furniture happens. Its honestly really interesting. :)

[@emilyortiz8700]

Caligula Longhbottom I really wanted to share this video explaining why the costume designer for ‘The Favourite’ chose the men to be more done up than the women , and why the dresses for the 3 main actresses were black and white. It’s very interesting the approach to the costumes! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2q5Yn2BhMStq5o

[@taiakonstantinidis7823]

I don’t know how you made me feel bad for you being bullied by you

[@americantoastman7296]

Hahaha lmao same. Felt so bad for... 1/3 of her. The other 2/3 were so great at being really obnoxious.

[@spongenoob4409]

its just that relatable

[@jellyfish0311]

It's like Bowie vs Bowie in the video for Blue Jean

[@knightslayer8759]

Only 3 comments? Damn.

[@rightupyourass7304]

Same-😂😂

[@shadowofthecandle]

OK I just realized that in every description, Karolina posts "My nudes" link and it's just a picture of a cat :D

[@personone1382]

OMG you made my day by telling me that :D

[@shadowofthecandle]

@@Victor_Graves I had to see what it was! Karolina is the type of person to troll people like that :)

[@hugnboba]

Plot twist: it IS her nudes except she turned into a cat first before taking a pic of herself

[@frostyskeletons8950]

@@hugnboba I do feel like her and McGonagall would be friends

[@hannahquintua]

Aww, that's wholesome, i was expecting a rickroll

[@numnut1516]

This hurts more when you realize how accurate it is. Knowledgeable people interested in making something great are bullied out of the space by vapid head cases wanting to produce a slightly altered fanfic they wrote when they were 13.

[@Neion8]

That's because the illusion of truth is often cheaper than the realisation of truth, and business is always about making as much profit with as little expense and risk possible. So if they have a formula that they think works and it keeps cost down, you BET your ass they're gonna use the hell out of that formula (even if they are presented with potentially better yet riskier alternative) - at least until people get sick of it and they have to look for a new formula for them to streamline into a money making cheat sheet.

[@dragoonbaby8239]

Damn

[@luigicadorna8644]

Neion8 That and people love looking at boobs.

[@fartedonmyfamlastnight2243]

I don't get it

[@fartedonmyfamlastnight2243]

@@luigicadorna8644 Wait is that bad?

[@-luciella-3697]

that's the embodiment of "when you're doing a group assignment in class but noone listens to you"

[@fanaticaH]

And even the teacher is lazy and OK with working like that.

[@fanaticaH]

Maybe a contest project in school when the teacher has weird and lazy ideas on how the group should work to win, but there's rules they're missing and the thing everyone's supposed to be learning.

[@Monica-zl5wl]

i used to just let others do it and take the easiest task in hand. i mean screw u for not taking my genius creative ideas :D :'D

[@Ellipih]

yes, and then all the critique you get about your work are things you said to change!!

[@rionka]

"AND IT ENDS UP WITH YOU YOURSELF FINISHING THE PROJECT BECAUSE people are idiots." :D :D :-/ :( well whatever,,,, i enjoyed presenting the subject, duuuuh!

[@CocoTheMii]

"I want to give them a really modern twist." "Yeah, but in order for that to work, you have to know what you're twisting first." *_"i'M sOrRy ArE yOu TrYiNg To SaBoTaGe ThIs PrOdUcTiOn????"_*

[@megannell31]

I really wish everything wasn't so overly sexualized above everything else, as if sex is the key value to represent all of modernity, especially for women.

[@saragarofano9727]

Thank you

[@wasabiANDkimchi]

@@julystargaryen9452 can you get out of here? Merci

[@julystargaryen9452]

@@wasabiANDkimchi Pourquoi?

[@julystargaryen9452]

@Enderpoo Time Yes, I get it, it is enormously stigmatised and not AT ALL historically accurate, but people shouldn't be stigmatised either way. If people want to show their bodies they should not get hate for it. In any case, I agree that it shouldn't always be like that, but at the same time why not? I mean, we live in an era where we have the freedom to do so and I think that we should not be ashamed (and I am not only talking about women, men can be naked too). Sexualisation should not be something bad. Sadly people make it bad, for no apparent reason at all.

[@julystargaryen9452]

@@bakedbeansontoast487 I am, deal with it 😝

[@_nines8270]

Male costume designers: "Shirts were only worn by the rich and were not invented until the 18th century"

[@DragonriderEpona]

And "barbarians" wore fur as a decor over their shoulders. Even in summer!

[@Neion8]

@@DragonriderEpona Oh, and this is an era where troop discipline was paramount and where fighting was done in formation with an army that was noted for being unsettlingly quiet as they marched into battle, so you know what that means: giant warcry, then a messy frontal charge over a good dozen or so metres of field into man-on man fighting with a broken frontline so we can get some good sweeping action shots of people pretending to be soldiers showing just how little they can use their weapons before focus on the actions of a few 'good' fighters that defy all odds by sweeping aside groups of enemy combatants who politely engage one at a time in an orderly and sporting fashion. I mean how else that we can pretend this battle involving thousands of soldiers was won by like 3 or 4 people with little to no experience of actual warfarre. Oh, also every soldier has the ability to easily penetrate all armour with their weapons, because we all know that historical fighters were just really devoted LARP enthusiasts that blew their budget on semi-realistic weapons. Oh, also you say that the ancient Celtic tribes that lived in what is now England might have used blue Woad Dye as a cultural/religious thing? Well, my buddy is making a film set literally a thousand years after their culture and religion was wiped out, and in a different country that had it's own set of traditions, and that sounds like the perfect way to represent his good guys. Also, I reckon what would be even cooler is if we throw in some weapons that weren't used until centuries after the events took place just to really cement how seriously we take our dedication to historical accuracy.

[@DragonriderEpona]

@@Neion8 also don't forget that stirrups were used in Europe *before* the 5th century AD and helemts were worn without a thick (woolen) cap because why protecting your head from a metal helmet when you can show your perfectly styled hair so everyone can see.

[@truffeltroll6668]

Oh, and armor is always too heavy to run with it, ir do anything other than swinging the sword

[@diakounknown1225]

@@DragonriderEpona yep!! Even though (some not all) were completely naked! I am talking about gaul

[@mikeoliver6742]

Wait, did she also dress the three characters in different decades of 20th fashion just to prove a point?

[@TheHopeDreier]

Yes

[@healinggrounds19]

So effing brilliant.

[@Ten2None]

What location do these time period outfits reflect?

[@Madnisity]

@@Ten2None i think they all might be 1950s ish - the headband is the romantasized "men's work wear" (maybe 70s), lipstick is the "everyday person" during the 40s - 50s and the blazer is "office/business wear" (maybe 40s - 60s because of the glasses)

[@darkyoumemento5307]

I think she did

[@hela-was-here]

Holy shit. That 1950s and 90s one really puts things into perspective. Imagine someone 200 years from now confusing 2000s and 2020s outfits... YIKES

[@charlie2.048]

"I want to give them a really modern twist" "Yeah but for that to work you need to know what you're twisting first." SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

[@charlie2.048]

This is why the costumes in The Favourite worked so well. They were very clearly not replicas of period costumes, but Sandy Powell actually had a cohesive vision based on the structure of real clothing from the period.

[@skateordie002]

@@charlie2.048 Sandy Powell is simply brilliant

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@charlie2.048 And can I give a shoutout to A Knight's Tale? Sure, it is nowhere as good as The Favourite, but it made the "modern twist" twist work pretty damn well when it came to the fashion. It had a vision, it knew its characters, and it wasn't too out there save for two or three outfits, but those were all worn by the same character, so it was sort of her thing.

[@shutupsavannah2195]

Similar with writing!! Learn the rules, then break them!

[@palomapuntoycoma4619]

Similar to drawing, learn anatomy to twist it

[@annabanana2418]

I went to a Christian school, this video reminded me of a movie we saw where Mary was wearing purple eyeshadow.

[@exodiadosamba4113]

Well that would make me cringe hard

[@LB-ou8wt]

Wow. Did she also have butterfly barrettes?

[@thethirdsicily4802]

What movie, I am going to burn its creators at the stake.

[@evejcqt7331]

What is the title of this movie? I need a good laugh

[@annabanana2418]

I’m sorry y’all, I don’t remember the title. However, try searching for independently church made films, I think it was one. I believe it was about the birth of Christ. It was a long time ago, lol. But Mary was young, so I believe it would have been about the Birth of Christ

[@jonnda]

This reminds me of when people think the continent of Africa is all just one country and one culture.

[@n.ayisha]

... or that every person from the Caribbean is Jamaican.

[@austincde]

It's all Egypt or it's all Kinte cloth

[@milliehayes]

Ditto indigenous cultures

[@dotdotdotdotdotdotdottod]

same with native america

[@liothelion4712]

Oh my gosh, people have asked me if I live in a pyramid

[@wisteriashika]

I, as an asian, watch a lot of movies from my continent and am happy with them, correction! MOST of them, as much as I am glad that the people in asia take care of the traditional dressing and culture by the years passing this culture is getting more and more distorted, like take Chinese opera for example! Its a dying part of the chinese culture! And how many people modify Japanese kimonos just for them to look sexy again? Making a movie that is based in the olden times should also mean making the people recall and remember where they come from and admire the beauty of their culture

[@Lady-Y]

See, THIS is when it really gets me. When it’s white filmmakers recreating the history of non-white cultures, only to intentionally get it completely wrong for “creative freedom.” But then when you have those films created by ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THAT CULTURE, the results are spectacular and amazing!

[@NathasyaStellaHermanus]

@@Lady-Y The part when people modify Kimonos to make them look sexy is so accurate. If you want to make the kimono look sexy, at least do it with a bit of historical accuracy! Just expose the back neck and that's it, you don't need to give the kimono more cuts or make it tighter because that's not the point

[@Kefford666]

This is like any conversation with a “positive vibes only!” person 😆

[@Kefford666]

@ 😂

[@j.s.1816]

Exactly!

[@existtraiesc]

"I don't do drama". .

[@gabrielaoyakawa5831]

Annoying asf

[@ryugujiken6936]

Honestly thought it was for the two talking abt being inaccurate then realised this could be said for any of the three of them lmao

[@ericataylor5095]

It’s so frustrating! My husband asks why I complain about this shit and it’s because ITS SO EASY TO GET RIGHT and they’d rather it be “hot” than right.

[@hakudoushinumbernine]

Worst part, you can be accurate and hot... that's the plus, but what do we know🙄🙄🙄

[@TheHopeDreier]

@@hakudoushinumbernine Exactly, accurate is hot!!

[@splendidcakes]

I can't wait to tell my husband he's not alone in his suffering! 😂😂😂

[@bhanacikova]

Exactly, it was much more sexy in that times then now, when our generation teach usthat what is plastic, pretended, acted is most hot and wearing masks for every situation is only way how you present yourself in public , and pall this affects your daily choice what to wear and how to behave. I have big respect for people who give a sh.t what other people think about them and are able to demonstrate their free and open mindset to keep discovering and learning, and have no shame only proud to share their interests and preferences with others like you do, without fear they need to 'puzzle' some big society picture Real unique individuals who should teach us how to be mentally free

[@zocansew]

my mom says there are more important things... i disagree

[@lucianf89]

Movies made today can’t even get 80’s hair or clothing accurate, never mind 18th century

[@spikespiegelfanclub]

right? i was watching malevolent which is a horror film set in 1986 and i was screaming the whole time because they only had like two actresses and yet they couldn't bother to even TRY to make their hair accurate. if they hadn't explicitly said it was 1986 i would have thought they were modern day indie kids because of how flat the hair was

[@AlexaFaie]

@@spikespiegelfanclub Yeah. I was born in 1987 and my Mum and I both have naturally super fine (like baby fine) hair naturally and yet the VOLUME her hair had back then due to perming it and curling it.... Its a wonder she was able to get that much honestly!

[@KateeAngel]

@@spikespiegelfanclub but I don't think everyone was doing fashionable hairstyles in the 80s... Like now, not everyone was interested in fashion

[@incognitoburrito6020]

@@KateeAngel Not everyone puts in that effort to follow the fashions, no, but everyone's still influenced by it

[@mzwere1]

@@KateeAngel I graduated in 1987 and almost every girl had some form of 80s hair then it seemed. There's a last day of school video also from 1987 at another school in Texas and it's same there, wall to wall 80s hairstyles. I concur with the original poster, if they seem to have a hard time replicating the 80s look why should I be surprised when they mangle the 1880s.

[@toothfairy10133]

i do commissions where i draw characters/ocs in period outfits (mainly dresses cause they're fun) and this reminds me of the time i was told to draw a character in a dress from a particular time period in france (cant remember which but it had the bustle) and i did my research, used things from google images and looked through a textbook from school etc to try and get the dress and her hair as historically accurate as possible, was told it looked good when i sent over the concept sketches and then when i finished it, i was told that it wasn't the sort of dress she'd been hoping for. another time, i was just told "draw her in a dress from 18th century europe". not the decade, not the country, not even the social class. smh

[@hiiloveu1521]

"A dress from 18th century Europe" and they were probably expecting something outta Sophia the first

[@NathasyaStellaHermanus]

@@hiiloveu1521 I'm dying 🤣

[@KellseyAlexHipo]

We don’t mind historical inaccuracy in film only because it’s done so often we don’t realize they’re inaccuracies at all

[@christinesarkis4029]

Once you know the inaccuracies though, you can never go back. Movies and shows you used to love are now tainted. I can't even watch Pirates of the Caribbean anymore without flying into a rage.

[@shizotypical]

@@christinesarkis4029 is that movie even meant to be accurate? Isn't it basically fantasy with pirates?

[@mattdamon2886]

Ксения Старцева yeah there’s undead pirates and everything but their clothing and things like that are not part of the fantasy, and are supposed to represent historical styles

[@celesteluna6834]

We do.

[@fizzysassafrass]

@@shizotypical No amount of "It's fantasy!" could ever justify the CORSETS ARE TORTURE DEVICES scenes. Even if it was meant to be in the modern era, that would still be so, SO wrong. Like all the ~you don't need to breathe, they make you pass out, "You want pain? Try wearing a corset" nonsense. Ugh, I thought that line was so cool when I was a kid watching it, and now it just makes me cringe. Like honey, idky your lady's maid hates you, but if it hurts, LOOSEN THE DAMN THING. THIS IS YOUR UNDERWEAR. YOU WOULD BE WEARING A SIMILAR THING REGARDLESS. *RAAAAAAAAAAAGE*

[@StuartLynx]

*Literally any year of the 19th century* Bad costume designers: ah yes, steampunk

[@Gabs.A.S]

I absolutely adore the steampunk fashion when it comes to the mix of the style and fashion accuracy. One in particular that I fell in love with the costume designs was the show from Cirque Du Soleil: Kurios (Cabinet of Curiosities). The costumes where simple, yet expressive for each character to stand out, especially the lead/main characters. Highly recommend a watch! People had published the full show here on KZbin, but only for some time since they get copyrighted by the company. With that said, i think there's nothing wrong with the steampunk style, as long as it's used correctly for the time period it's representing.

[@the4tierbridge]

@@Gabs.A.S ewww, steampunk.

[@ramei123]

@@the4tierbridge I think steampunk is pretty cool

[@the4tierbridge]

@@ramei123 and also impossible. If we can’t get trains that run with turbines to work, how do you expect massive airships, and GUNS! It ignores actual problems of the Victorian era, technology in general, and the existence of Rudolph Diesel!

[@Gabs.A.S]

@@the4tierbridge I mean, of course it's impossible. It's fiction! Steampunk, as a whole, represents what the people from the Victorian era thought of what technology would look like in the future. Same goes for our era with Cyberpunk.

[@orphan961]

“Yeah but dresses don’t close in front” makes me laugh every time

[@romeblanchard3419]

The lack of bonnet in Little Women 2019, the costumes in general

[@lydialuton4402]

just replace boobs with quirkiness

[@depgabby]

Micarah Tewers made such a great video about it

[@Nil_Sama]

@@depgabby Right?! It was literally what came to mind when I read the oc.

[@Line...]

where are the bonneeeeeeeeeeeeeets?

[@gabbyfringette7250]

Screams in micarah

[@mavericklucas594]

"Now that the 100% historically accurate costumes are done, let's get some historically accurate fight scenes where the 1700's British guys somehow know modern hand-to-hand combat techniques and muskets take 2 seconds to load"

[@davidwillis7991]

I remember a cartoon version of 3 musketeers where they took a reasonable amount of time to load. It actually makes everything feel less realistic because if muskets take that long to reload obviously they'd not get reloaded before people were interrupted. Obviously if they had been interrupted that would have seemed realistic

[@Carewolf]

@@davidwillis7991 It was a single fire situation unless you had a good location.

[@davidwillis7991]

@@Carewolf When I was 8 years old that was my conclusion too

[@Carewolf]

@@davidwillis7991 Which is why the musketeers are good fencers..

[@ruukinen]

I'm fairly sure between the time muskets became the defacto line infantry equipment, i.e. spears/pole-arms were only used by supporting troops, and Charles XII time the firing line would indeed stand there firing volleys into each other even if reloading took a minute. It takes a lot of discipline to charge into an opponent who can shoot you at any moment. Edited in some commas since the main point didn't make sense otherwise.

[@KhanhDinh291]

I know this was made with European periods dramas in mind, but it's also accurate in Chinese and korean dramas context. Disregarding history for aesthetics is a global phenomenon it seems

[@Manj_J]

Also some Indian dramas do this as well, definitely a global phenomenon

[@hugnboba]

but if they become historically accurate then how can they be sexy and *b o o b s* ?

[@Anon26535]

Can't say I blame the Chinese. Where are you going to find an actress with those fucked up feet nowadays?

[@michaelpettersson4919]

This is why I prefer fantasy movies for such things. Fantasy can be inspired by reality but do not need to worry about breaking it. Believable fantasy must still make sense thou.

[@MNkno]

And most irritating is where the costume designers see Japanese, Chinese and Korean styles as the same thing. I read that a recent TV program got taken down because of audience reaction to repeatedly showing Chinese food on the table of a Korean drama... and I do wish they'd do the same thing with ethnicity and clothing as well.

[@thine.]

people before: *not showing legs* movie makers: *"so yeah basically they're gonna be completely naked and we'll have 3 sex scenes"*

[@eily_b]

Please could someone with connections send this to the film industry? :D

[@Orinatl]

Tried that... I was a part of these meetings.

[@tesiatomczak]

@@Orinatl the fired one? :D

[@Orinatl]

Tesia Tomczak ...uh, yeah...that one... XD

[@ghidorahs1fan209]

It doesn't work trust me you just get black listed and never find another job.

[@eily_b]

Oh wow, 1800 likes for my little joke? I am speechless. 🤪 Thanks, beautiful people of the internet AND Karolina. 😘

[@Mirandorl]

"Queen Elizabeth the first was well known for wearing Victoria's Secret and twerking to WAP"

[@SmartStart24]

@4Freedom4All Trust me for the 5 movies that have actors of color playing your beloved white historical figures there are hundreds more you could watch that are “historically accurate”.

[@triccele]

I'll put this here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/b37XkH2ZhsRkjrc

[@apatheticowl3461]

"Do we really need to make things sexy?" Thank you! I'm so sick of everything needing to be sexualized 😭

[@ReptilianTeaDrinker]

To be honest, historical accuracy is what's really sexy. The cheap looking fancy dress costumes and inaccurate clothes are very un-sexy.

[@KryssLaBryn]

Besides, historical clothes *WERE* sexy to the people of the time period! (and to those of us who study them!) What the industry really seems to mean is "sexy to our modern eyes" (or even "sexy to that one interfering producer")--and that dates a movie faster than anything. Nothing like watching a "historical" costume piece from the 1970s with those great big wide Seventies lapels and porn 'staches on all the guys. Not in my Restoration comedy, thanks awfully!!

[@CrisSelene]

@@KryssLaBryn took the words right out of my mouth. Some people should really need to understand not to treat other historical periods with our modern sensibilities

[@rionka]

@@KryssLaBryn thank you!

[@blathermore]

Yes...it becomes unsexy very quickly because the joy of discovery and mystery is all gone for us .

[@logiciansvlog5800]

If I were writing a period drama, the first person I'm contacting is this woman.

[@haulii]

i am an architecture student and lemme tell ya, its exactly the same in group projects. fire hazards? actual structure? logical grid layouts? pffft are you trying to sabotage this design process we are ExPeRiMeNtInG

[@xxBloodyMoonxx1]

That's kind of scary and explains what happened to the never opening Berlin airport xD

[@yup7323]

Scary

[@snowboundwhale6860]

"we are ExPeRiMeNtInG" **Does not consider safety or function** is remarkably on brand for design projects it seems

[@alexhando8541]

The people who "ExPeRiMeNt" in architecture are the same feckers who pooh-pooh Classical Architecture.

[@notAshildr]

I'm in film school, and even though we're not doing a historical drama, the neglect of basic safety and feasibility is ridiculous. I have to keep people in line so damn often. "No, we're not doing an actual explosion on campus." "No, we won't be using actual knives. Yes, I know fakes cost money, but stabbed people also do"

[@lensman67]

My brother, a well known historical illustrator and costume designer felt physically sick after seeing this video. NOT because it was bad, quite the contrary because it was SO very, very accurate. May costume designers who ignore history burn in hell. Or at least be forced to design janitor uniforms--which is about the same.

[@genli5603]

If he is who I think he is, tell him thanks for all the paper dolls. ;) Millions of little girls have enjoyed those.

[@allysondawahare9229]

Who is your brother

[@kamilareeder1493]

It's so true :0

[@bromptondevice7685]

I've just had a vision of some poor janitor trying to unblock a toilet while wearing tight leather pants and a corset!

[@gunterstryke5657]

I don’t know him. Try harder

[@BroBercules]

Spoiler: The logical woman went on to be costume designer in The Incredibles.

[@raakone]

NO CAPES!

[@nyangatagaming903]

@@raakone I like capes! They're toasty. No capes for superheroes tho

[@NanoChips]

@@nyangatagaming903 capes or *cloaks*? i can definitely vouch for cloaks being toasty

[@beans6765]

Don’t wanna be sucked into an airplane

[@arig8905]

@@beans6765 or be caught on a rocket

[@boi2805]

As a design student...the pain is real 😂. I don’t do fashion and it’s not as exaggerated as this, but as someone who is extremely attentive to purpose, context, and detail, teammates who aren’t as careful drives me insane.

[@Pschychotically]

And the Makeup. The thousand tons of Makeup on their faces. Like modern false lashes. And visible eyeshadow. Like... Wtf.

[@FionaLovesbunnies]

i slipped out of the womb with natural eyeliner u_u

[@junebug77544]

With a spray tan

[@ZoraXire]

its a separate department with another Designer, same with Hair. You do your best to collaborate but if they come from the fashion world (many of them are) you're on nothing but a prayer and a hope once the Actress leaves your trailer.

[@rachelwharton4245]

Li Centia I know!!! I hate that!! The crazy clumpy mascara on Tris nearly singlehandedly ruined Divergent for me, too...

[@demonicseries]

Nah. It’s all about historical accuracy. We straight up putting lead on their face

[@btljxs84930]

Karolina Żebrowska, the ONLY nominee I want to see at the next Oscars please also can't decide between "I'm sorry, are you trying to sabotage this production?" and "BOOoooOoBs" for favourite lines

[@notpukicho2950]

dammit already at *[SEX NUMBER]* likes

[@abbygailvalcourt6577]

Simona Härter Karolina Zebrowska deserves all the nominations and awards! “Because it’s a century” is my favorite line

[@jeffmcarthur5617]

"We don't want realness, we want magic." I was literally told that word for word once. And yes, I've been in meetings like this and they typically go pretty much exactly like this. This isn't really much of an exaggeration unfortunately.

[@LapisAndroid17ParkRanger]

Thats just sad.

[@guidetoanything]

Por que no los dos? **Holds up tacos**

[@PowerToolsnPearls]

Sad, but oh so true! 🙄😥

[@nessassaryy]

@@lottenoordermeer1299 0

[@sameerakhan7455]

Oh gosh... I feel bad for the ones that ACTUALLY care abt the clothes to be like the ones of a decade.

[@christopherjobstraibitzer8407]

Accuracy in historical movies is so important! People also learn from movies how things were.

[@ilmaio]

They don't want people to learn how things were. They want people to believe a false, rewritten history used as a dumb, preposterous propaganda.

[@29jgirl92]

Don't forget the most important part- NO BODY HAIR on women!!

[@captainoblivious_yt]

They did have that in the 1700s.. What are you referring to?

[@AietraT]

@@captainoblivious_yt Exactly! They had it, movie-1700s-women...don't. Anywhere. o__O

[@L0u3llaPUNK]

@@captainoblivious_yt Name checks out.

[@skvlly7862]

YES somebody agrees w/ me on this!! women didn't really shave at all in the US until the 1910s-1920s, when razor manufacturers realized women didn't typically buy razors and in response made ad campaigns shaming body hair on women as ugly and unhygienic to encourage them to buy hair removal products because larger client base = more sales. obviously this doesn't make much sense because there's no difference between male and female body hair and it wasn't/isn't considered gross on men, but it clearly worked pretty well and now it's considered taboo for a woman not to shave. sorry for the history lesson lmao but i don't know many people who know this and it's interesting to me so

[@captainoblivious_yt]

@@L0u3llaPUNK So funny and original.. Never heard that one before. I read the comment as "No body hair on women (in the 1700s)", but later realized it meant "No body hair on women (in the movies)."

[@briarh720]

I find myself frustrated with costume designs in TV shows since I started watched your videos. You’re an angel by the way.

[@randomcommenter7343]

*the more you know*

[@nursen2106]

for me it didn't change much. because, small inaccuracies I can still live with very well, esp, if they don't make very much difference. I probably didn't noticed them all before (I also watch the ultimate fashion history channel by Amanda Haley) but significant inaccuraciesI could almost strangle somebody for that. yes just figurative speaking. in reality I sometimes just want to scream out and finish the sentence saying '...you bastards' ;-D . and I must say, I am very well aware of the fact, that not everybody was always following the latest fashion - depending on the rank and the century. but the difference between the 60s and 50s of the last century is huge.you can have single persons dressed old fashioned, but not a whole family or the whole village. esp. when it doesn't make sense in the context. I have the feeling, that a kind of laziness, ignorance is a sign for lack of creativity and respect over the viewers of a film or a show. they think, most don't recognize it anyway, as today people are more dump and absorbed with their own live struggles anyway. the inability to solve story problems differently, or sometimes even the lack of courage, is the reason, that it get's even worse now compared to the last 20 years. and for that, we have to speak up - even, if we are regular viewers and no historians. don't you think?

[@aaabbb-jm4sl]

Briar H have you ever seen Reign? The costumes and hair in there make me extremely frustrated lol They might be doing it on purpose tho, I’m not sure, but I still would prefer if they were a little bit more accurate

[@mrpurple11]

Me to. Now I aware of all the mistakes

[@charlottelivingstonsquirre4107]

aaa bbb I know it’s the worst. Even if they are doing it on purpose I don’t think it works. I couldn’t find any consistency or a point to it. So frustrating. I’m a costume student and we all hate it.

[@michaelhandy4018]

And that's before we get to male costumes. Is it an 800CE era gritty wartime action adventure? Leather vest, puffy shirt, tight pants, riding boots. Is it a 1750s French court romance? Leather vest, puffy shirt, tight pants, riding boots. Is it an Elizabethan political drama? Leather vest, puffy shirt, tight pants, riding boots, AND A NECK RUFF!

[@sciranger6703]

Also: ALWAYS very clean, unless they are Celts, then they must be very dirty all the time. You know, the Celts, the ones that dug the bath first thing when they made camp? Bathed every day, both to be clean and prevent disease? You know, the people who had a test of being a warrior be to run through the woods and keep your hair perfect? ...Yeah. Those guys.

[@ffbb5153]

@@sciranger6703 Yeah, the ones that were reported to wear dreadlocks mashed with mud and chalk.

[@sciranger6703]

@@ffbb5153 Sand and chalk, actually, and hey, it's a valid hairstyle! Also, that's just how you make glibs/ gleebs. (Similar but not quite dreadlocks, the hair is brushed out smooth).

[@luxborealis]

Sciranger6 Don’t forget the Vikings always being done dirty, despite having religious reasons for bathing every Saturday at the very least.

[@RambleOn07]

@@luxborealis and an obsessive concern about keeping their hair pretty

[@bleedingmasque.6193]

"But they don't close in front," they say immediately after the only smart one describes an exact instance in which they literally do.

[@varianbond]

“Dresses don’t close in front” Wait until they hear about how Georgian overdresses are pinned on...

[@denmarkisbabeychangemymind8079]

I want to know now, this sounds interesting

[@carl3819]

. . . how are they pinned on😶? . . .

[@varianbond]

Carl They were pinned to the stays. At the time the stays had enough bulk to protect the skin from being stuck 😊

[@khatunamezvrishvili6211]

Georgian? Like the country? If so what period?

[@varianbond]

PEPPER SPRAY nope, Georgian era. 18th century basically

[@SoumyaAditrri]

It's completely like mixing up the Indian, Arabic and the Persian culture. Like there's zero difference. Like they did in the Disney movie Alladin

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

True, but given that Aladdin itself is a fantasy tale set in the region of Arabia and Persia (the 1001 Nights version. I’m aware there’s even a Chinese version), it’s an honest mistake. The Indian architecture they used in Aladdin is mostly Mughal architecture, which itself borrowed many elements from Persian architecture. Even Arabs adopted many Persian architecture, especially after Persia was under the banner of the Caliphate. Persia was, after all, one of the leading civilizations in the Near East at the time that even managed to go toe to toe with Rome. Sure, Arab and Mughal architecture has their own different style compared to Persian architecture, but the similarity between all three of the styles sometimes make it harder to notice. Especially to the untrained eye.

[@SoumyaAditrri]

@@alexanderchristopher6237 for a company worth in billions like Disney i doubt its an honest mistake. All they do is mix cultures into one another in the name of multi culturalism which sounds good but actually the normal audience remains unaware of the fact that which culture or religion or place are these things inspired from. For example the turban of the Genie and the symbol on it was completely copied from the Sikhs.

[@1Thunderfire]

@@SoumyaAditrri To be fair, it isn't claiming to be historically accurate. Because 1: it's a fantasy tale. 2: Genies and magic.

[@AverageAlien]

@@SoumyaAditrri Lol that's like complaining because game of thrones isn't accurate

[@LB-ou8wt]

I think that was openly an active choice, both in the original Disney Aladdin and in the remake. Something they openly talked about and did in casting, costumes, sets, etc.

[@madisonstoner7405]

"Does the Mars Bar need two layers? NO, but that's what sells!" I think I've found a new comeback.

[@EngEduMS]

Does the Mars Bar needs to be deep fried? NAH, but we're fockin' doin' it, pal!

[@freebeerishere]

that line made me laugh so hard

[@phillipbradshaw4006]

Eduardo Martins dos Santos apparently you’ve been to the Texas State Fair.......they’ll deep fry anything....

[@CC3193]

@Phillip or Scotland in general...

[@Cassxowary]

Madison Stoner to be fair, it shouldn’t even exist so...

[@bowtiebazaar263]

OH...MY WORD... SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT. I'm a costume designer, my directors look at me like I have lost my mind. "So can she sit?..." *wearing a bustle*

[@Xia-hu]

the 200 dislikes came from period drama costume designers unable to handle criticism.

[@13tuyuti]

I thought they came from movie directors and producers who are sick of historical advisors who, for some weird reason, try to insist on historical accuracy.

[@13tuyuti]

@Zuma Zuma I was being ironic, but as to your question: why would directors hire historical advisors? Lindybeige made an interesting video about that. He tells that he once spoke to a historical weaponry advisor for a movie that was set in the middle ages. There were a lot of historical inaccuracies in the fighting in that movie so Lindybeige asked him "why didn't they listen to you" the guy answered "they only hired me so that they can say they had advise from an expert".

[@aronnemcsik]

@@13tuyuti the problem is they will never be 100% accurate. Because of the lighting and the cameras and all that. Might looks awesome irl but if on camera looks shitty due to the lights than they will change it.

[@elizabetherickson5195]

“We’re going to have to find a way to make them wear tight leather pants at some point” 😂😂😂

[@goldogwolly]

To be fair, men did wear leather breeches in the 18th and early 19th century 🤣

[@Mic_Glow]

@@goldogwolly fun fact, heels were originally worn by men. I just hope by 2100 women don't grow beards

[@slena]

@@Mic_Glow i hope they do tbh!!!!

[@thomase13]

@@Mic_Glow you're behind - women grow beards in 2019!

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

@@slena Get some help.

[@mizzishtar456]

Pros of learning about fashion history: it’s really fun and interesting Cons: I can’t sit back and enjoy period dramas anymore and I’ve had repeat dreams attempting to explain the finer points of the Edwardian silhouette to random people

[@spacelimabeancatlady1235]

Yes! I love this. You should do one for Medeival movies. Downton Abbey was the best because it was so accurate. You totally need to watch it! Plus, there is a DA movie coming, and an exhibition in Boston!

[@rachelarruda1475]

OH MY GOSH ME ME ME ME

[@MxDandy]

I feel you, sister.

[@poltergeistpanda701]

I would listen to that tbh...

[@Julian-pw5mv]

That problem exists with learning about history at all no movie is accurate lol

[@suzylux]

this is painfully accurate, isn't it? ugh. We need you on so many film/tv period drama projects, Karolina!

[@timstevens2083]

Designer: The director wants 100% historical accuracy, so the soldiers will be wearing blue uniforms. Advisor: They didn't wear blue uniforms. Only red. Designer: Yes, they did wear blue. I saw it in "blah, blah" movie. The director doesn't like red anyway. Advisor: Remind me again why I am here? It is the same for military wardrobe. Period or contemporary. Uniforms are to be worn to the specifications set by a previous inaccurate movie and not to the specifications worn in reality. So the inaccuracies become the standard and are perpetuated by a lazy industry. Good job and keep the pressure on them!

[@kissarococo2459]

One german "prussian cycle" -Film from the 30s got the mens fashions and the uniforms correct and I got really happy until I saw womens peasant dresses were straight 19th century.....

[@healerofthewaters6508]

This is why when it comes down to clothing descriptions in my Victorian era novels I look up portraits of men and women from that time so I'm accurate with colors, fabric patterns, lengths of skirts and coats, etc.

[@robertgibson6687]

If this is the British army circa 1750's to 1850's, then various shades if red were in use and specific units were definitely in blue. The skirmisher type units equipped with the Baker Rifle wore dark green. At the start of the ACW, regiments on both the Union and secessionist sides often wore the very grey that many think was typically southern. Don't even get me started on so-called Zouave Regiments. If the director and/or producers is/are afraid that the audiences will be confused if sides aren't delineated in a way more clear than the factual events, that would be a fair argument. If only they were consistent in their application.

[@timstevens2083]

The color of the uniforms were generic choices for my post and not specific to any time period, uniform or army. I was merely trying to make a point that "historical accuracy" is dictated by a previous inaccurate historical movie and not by historical evidence by the industry.

[@aolson1111]

@@timstevens2083 So, you don't have any actual examples? Is this because you decided to make up bullshit for attention?

[@thisnightsrevels9605]

'Stressed Woman Struggles To Not Murder Everyone In Room For 3:44'

[@catbaril9072]

thisnightsrevels This accurate. And also this is me with some of my clients 😂

[@shinyminunthetheatregeek2036]

Me at school

[@eva-lota9701]

No, she went to get her historically accurate sword

[@lacountess]

It’s worse in video games. Period male warrior: full armour. Female warrior: metal bikini that would chafe everywhere and protect nothing.

[@steelwookie]

Then the developers react by giving more realistic options only to have most females choose the bikini anyway. I've seen this over and over again. Suprised, but not really.

[@lacountess]

@@steelwookie How do you know this? Did you do a survey of a reasonable sample size of the female gaming population? FYI, I always choose the outfit with the best armour. If the devs decide to make the bikini the one with higher stats, then the bikini it is.

[@katerinakiakou1797]

*whispering* ~we need more bikini armour for men~

[@100legallystupid]

@@katerinakiakou1797 yes cuz only women can appreciate hawt men smh my head

[@katerinakiakou1797]

@@100legallystupid You're right, fixed it ;D

[@ALulzyApprentice]

No matter what industry you work in this is amazingly relatable. Props to Karolina.

[@fyedoravna7569]

Me, watching Reign try not to bleach my eyes:

[@emmabluu]

I KNOW, it’s atrocious

[@suss_7133]

ooooh can relate

[@lennie1512]

I once tried watching it and I could not make it past 20 minutes it was that bad- could barely focus on the plot

[@xPrincessJellyfishx]

Reign is a beautiful show, even if the costumes look like prom dresses.

[@Chris.tastrophy]

@@xPrincessJellyfishx oh please, I watched 3 seasons and barely anything happened.

[@mfree80286]

"So, the young duchess tumbles from her horse when the prince surprises her, and the zipper on her coat breaks, unveiling a" "what?" "what's the question?" "This is 1734." "Yes, what's your point?" "A zipper." "....ok, what's the issue? It's specific in the script." "....." "....." "Would it be improper to drink heavily before these meetings?"

[@gracecrowe6787]

me a horse rider. How would you fall off a horse that way? Any self-respecting horse rider would never get thrown out of the saddle because of a man. Even if it was side-saddle.

[@mfree80286]

@@gracecrowe6787 Please don't make me r/wooosh, tell me you're being dry...

[@irbiswirbis]

@@mfree80286 i think they're trying to add to your comment by pointing out how silly it is

[@meat_doughnuts3457]

What AKindOfBreadArts said

[@Caz_Hamilton]

@@gracecrowe6787 truee Im also an equestrian, I saw this and was like... H O W ??

[@animalstudios158]

" I did not get a master's degree in costume history just so you could waltz in here and say 'But these don't look like the clothes in Hamilton...'

[@novo4101]

I heard Hamilton?

[@SaraSong-mw3zm]

I thought the dresses in hamilton were fairly accurate enough....(or is it a joke I get confused easily XD)

[@the4tierbridge]

@@SaraSong-mw3zm it’s a joke. What isn’t a joke is how that it completely ignored James Monroe!

[@j_fenrir]

@@SaraSong-mw3zm the hamilton costumes are amazing dw, trouble is when they're trying to do 1500s england and are like *WHERE MY FOUNDING DADDIES AT*

[@noellerutledge8789]

I want the clothes in hamilton

[@beatrizxx7043]

Hollywood: We shall make this movie accurate with lovely costumes, stunning actors and very realistic representations! Hollywood after: *Now, we've fired half the original cast, looked into stereotypes and edited the whole damn plot, we can focus on the boobs*

[@goosegirly6867]

Movie: Woman- “it’s so hot too bad society says I can’t wear less clothes than this” Irl: Woman- “wow this cotton and linen really keeps me cool, I feel bad for men who have to wear thicker clothes and can’t get away without having pants on”

[@phersephonia3706]

Kilts

[@mme.veronica735]

@@phersephonia3706 Not all men are Scott's

[@mttdang]

@@mme.veronica735 my father is laotian and there and always wears a skirt at home. So man skirts exists outside of scotland

[@scottbilger9294]

@@mme.veronica735 And some are

[@thethirdsicily4802]

@@mme.veronica735 no no, they have a point, every man wears kilts... I can dig it

[@mnk9073]

"We care about historical accuracy, so we hired a bunch of actual historians to consult on set. Aaaand obviously ignore, those nerds have no idea about CINEMA!" -Literally everyone shooting a show/movie since 2000

[@jonc8074]

it's so funny the historical swordsmanship channels have literally the same complaints about costumes and fight choreography

[@maybepolly_]

@SigmaTauri2 yeah but before they could argue it was "hard" to find primary sources without having to spend more money. since 2000 (and even before, really), internet is a mainstream way to do research fast and they still get it wrong? when it's so easy to google something, watch a few documentaries, email an expert who is available for consultations? they're lazy and care only about the bottom line.

[@A_Strawberry]

@SigmaTauri2 Fax

[@defensivekobra3873]

You could argue its more to do with wanting the aestetics rather than the actiual proper stuff and yet shadiversity shows historically accurate stuff can be just as cool if not cooler

[@Merilirem]

@@defensivekobra3873 Yeah, logic makes things better. Just like modding Skyrim to make swords look like swords instead of paddles. Its only because people are soo ignorant that they can get away with designs that make zero sense.

[@brieb4317]

My BIGGEST pet peeve is when they have their eyebrows done. Every god damn film has their eyebrows perfect like come on man, is it so hard to not pluck your brows for a film??

[@jonesnori]

Or to pluck them in the style of the time, if that was done in the setting's time and place?

[@NiMareQ]

This is so painfully accurate. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

[@aaroncarson1770]

One of the reasons I enjoy period dramas is actually to get a sense of that other reality, something half remembered, almost like from a former life, which can be ruined when the art department tries too hard to modernise or make the look "relatable". I don't want relatable. My life is already relatable. I'm watching TV to escape the relatable. There are enough romcoms and such, set in a modern era with sufficient "sexiness" to fulfill that need already. When I watch a period drama, it's not only historical accuracy I want, I also want to be transported. I want to dive into a painting. I don't want to be reminded jarringly, of the depressing banality of modern life.

[@Debilitator47]

Every time I see a 'modern look' historical piece, or even just something set in a medieval setting be it historical or fantasy, I roll my eyes hard enough to power a city if you could hook up a dynamo. I more and more love the historical realism and recreations and knowledge. One positive of the trend towards more recreation that strives for authenticity is that there might soon be enough people who care for hollywood to get on board. Most of them are lazy trend chasers, if they see a market for something, you bet the 'advisors' will be taken more seriously.

[@aaroncarson1770]

@@Debilitator47 I've written several reviews for movies and I often mention Karolina when it comes to art direction and costume. She didn't like her own movie, but for me it was a pleasure for the eyes.

[@Debilitator47]

@@aaroncarson1770 I've subscribed to her channel. I like to learn about things I don't know, and costume/wardrobe/period dress is definitely something I lack real depth on besides knowing the definite 'wrong' of the medieval-lite hollywood styles and 'everyone was muddy and wore brown, brown, grey, brown, and mud'. I didn't know she worked on a movie. Like I said, just got here. What was the movie?

[@aaroncarson1770]

@@Debilitator47 It's a short. It's called Confusions of a Wasted Youth. It's on Vimeo.

[@Debilitator47]

@@aaroncarson1770 Thank you. I'll check it out.

[@3katfox]

i felt this in my SOUL, has anyone ever gotten the "We're not making a documentary" line? smh. I've never been apart of the costume department but i know the struggles. I'm hair and makeup and I literally got into a screaming match with an actress who INSISTED that a side ponytail was a good choice to wear as a grown woman in the 1920's. Kill. Me.

[@madelinebitts2766]

Must have been a pretty small production because in large scale productions, the actress doesn't have a say on hair and make-up. Like, at all.

[@SG-1-GRC]

@@madelinebitts2766 Actually in some cases certain actresses have it written into their contracts that they have some say on hair and makeup even on bigger productions. In the past (not aware of it being common now) some even stipulated using their own stylists, even for historical productions.

[@hohohaha999]

@@madelinebitts2766 Hardly, I've seen lead actors take one look at a costume put together over several weeks by costumers, armorers, and prop builders, probably more than a dozen people, and make major changes to it in under 5 minutes, like complete turn arounds

[@theargonianmercenary184]

Kat Fox yeah, I hate it when the media is more concerned about what sells before historical accuracy. It should be accuracy to immerse history buffs and educate viewers (thus making it more memorable) and then they can see what they can use to see what sells. History is pretty sexy sometimes, but you got to paint the scene the proper way instead of twisting it just so you draw more viewers in.

[@sciranger6703]

As a writer/director, I've gotten this FROM the costume department. And I write PG-13 shows!

[@howdypardner6278]

my friends: 1920's women all wore flapper dresses me:

[@aliveslice]

You might wanna refer to a different video on this exact subject then😁

[@howdypardner6278]

It's a joke buddy I'm subscribed to her already

[@pneumarian]

@@howdypardner6278 hard as it is to believe, that doesn't necessarily mean that you've watched all her vids yet. :-D

[@gracethome6959]

Pneumarian they’re expressing frustration about ideas about historical fashion that are inaccurate, they don’t necessarily need to go watch her videos. either way, i’m pretty sure the dude was saying to refer their friends to videos, not them.

[@charlottecomeau1266]

my friends: yeah so in the 20s the skirts went up to above the knee and in the 50s it got brought back but fluffy. Me: ..... have i failed you all somehow???????

[@adiposeNarnian]

When she said that to do a modern twist you had to know what you were twisting, I just took this good deep breath and wished we could have tea together.

[@styxthistle497]

Honestly I'm not bothered about historical accuracy... if we're talking about a fantasy that's losely based on a certain era. In the case of period dramas... you had one job.

[@johnhughes2124]

right, Game of Thrones is one thing, where you're drawing upon styles from around the world within a five century timeframe. But If you're making something set in the regency era then that's another thing entirely

[@styxthistle497]

@@johnhughes2124 I know, hence why I specified _fantasy_ and of course I beleive it's morally wrong to muck up historical accuracy for the sake of sex appeal or whatever. And BTW, I've never seen or read A Game of Thrones.

[@harryunderhill5041]

Some costume designs don't work in fantasy settings either though because they're not practical. Every medieval fantasy these days has everyone wearing a lot of leather. They didn't wear a lot of leather in medieval times because it's not warm and has to be treated to make it waterproof. Instead they wore at lot of linen and wool. But leather is the go to look at the moment. Likewise crossed lacing in the backs of women's dresses are a big indicator of someone who's never had to dress themselves like a period person would have. If you're rich and had a servant to use both hands to pull your lacing up like shoe laces then cross lacing is fine (creates an X pattern with the laces). If you're a normal person than you lace it like a spiral so you can reach behind and pull one dangling lace tight with one hand (creates a Z pattern with the laces). It's this sort of thing that shows a lack of understanding and care.

[@CarrotConsumer]

@@harryunderhill5041 Maybe it's leather from a unicorn and very warm.

[@kapitankapital6580]

Personally I like it when a fantasy show engages in as much world building as possible; if they can come up with their own fashions in-universe then that's even better than an historically authentic portrayal.

[@MikaelaCher]

I love that this isn't edited and Karolina can just clone herself

[@toothfairy10133]

she truly is Just That Powerful!!

[@sunsetmoon8209]

Agreed

[@MightyElo]

I am a museum curator, and this video made my day! I showed it to some of the coworkers and they loved it!

[@abcdeshole]

I love how I’m absolutely convinced that these are three different women really having this conversation.

[@lauramabe6578]

every time one of her ideas got rejected I felt my soul start to die

[@celestiashan747]

Me too

[@Nil_Sama]

Same, and I'm not even an expert in this topic.

[@discogoth]

blathermore stop being a condescending weirdo.

[@Orinatl]

As someone who worked quite recently as a junior concept artist for a big film studio... very big..has a few, um princesses you might know of (but will remain unnamed haha)... I can say that... even as a (self proclaimed) history buff- that is exactly how it feels when you’re trying to talk sense into people.. I really appreciate this. It’s very accurate. ...unfortunately.

[@littleraeofsunshine]

Talia Letkeman Hahhahaha I can only imagine! I got into a few arguments with costumers when I did background on tv shows 😂

[@MyelinProductions]

SO SAD BUT TRUE! FACT! we have had VERY similar meetings on history films and documentaries. Thank you for representing ACCURACY & FACTUAL HISTORY! Peace & Health.

[@brunareivax3258]

"I'm sorry, are you trying to sabotage this production?" What's painful is that I've actually heard this so many times agh

[@estherpettigrew3042]

Anyone ever reply, “oh, no. I assumed that was your job since you’re doing it so well”?

[@brunareivax3258]

@@estherpettigrew3042 no but thanks for the tip

[@jflanagan9696]

Insecurity: the question

[@chickenjoelnuggito7316]

"They're going to wear it on a naked body so when they take the stays off there's going to be stays mark on their body to show how cruel and evil corsets were" *Baiscally the scene from The Alienist set in late 19th century where Sara takes her corset off*

*ekhm* I may or may not have been slightly inspired by this atrocity

[@jellybean1528]

Then they put her in that first layer to sleep, like they knew it existed but ignored

[@Madeleinewith3Es]

@ that horrible crinkling-plastic sound when the maid peeled the (for the love of God why) unlaced corset off her was the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this 😂

[@GEhotpants101]

Was just about to come comment this. You know how many times I've said "a well fitted corset should be no more uncomfortable than a bra," only to be totally steamrolled over by every person tricked by old timey photo manipulation. lol

[@nubreed13]

At least they got one thing in pirates of the Caribbean right. Elizabeth wore her corset over her other clothes

[@TheDentrassi]

"Which part of the century?" "Why does that matter?" Arrrggghhhggghhhh. I love this.

[@somethinganonymous1723]

I heard some of the most well-designed and historically accurate costuming ever done for a movie was in a live-action rendition of A Christmas Carol. Specifically, the one with the Muppets.

[@marissaburciaga6483]

Excuse me while I send this to my Theatre Design professor. She'll love it.

[@ashlynnheller8400]

Yep. My cosutuming department always laughs. We always say things like "If a group of teens can decently pull off Historical accuracy then so can movie makers."

[@TheJbarner560]

This is basically how the costumes for Reign were designed

[@Gryffindame]

In pretty sure everything reign did was meant for a "modern" audience. They used modern songs 🤷‍♀️ I don't think it was ever meant to be seriously accurate, it was a teen drama lol

[@yrsabakker3554]

I actually think Reign did a great job with the "modern twist" especially Mary and Elizabeth wore dresses that their counterparts actually wore in portraits - but they "modernized" it. They also used modern day songs but they played it on instruments that were time appropriate. I also think that it's important to remember that it was a teen drama which was loosely based on the time, Francis was a sickly child who could never have anything of the heroic stuff he did on the show. Mary was still very young and there isn't any evidence of her having an affair with any of the guys on the show - or that she was raped in French court. I personally don't really like the show because of the historically inaccurate story (not that they ever claimed to be) but they did do a fine job with their "modern twist".