Karuak's War Drum/Horn of Fury - PRO SETUP for open field OL/KvK marches

[@wellackchyually]

come back drago we need content like this everyone acts like im a noob now cause i run drums over horn

[@solrac3666]

Rocking 2 war drums for while already, thanks for the extensive testing and confirmation Drago, u rock!

[@Joe-ih3ln]

Deserved my like on the video and I rarely give those out. This is new META info something we didn't know before!! Everyone, drop a like c'mon.

[@AB-fv4tr]

Perfect! I had the idea but didn’t have the resources to test the drums and didn’t want to waste so this helped a lot.

[@gk2800]

Thanks Drago!! Exactly the video we needed to explain 60GT’s strategy. Thanks for bringing this to the community.

[@victorkranz3769]

Hey man! Just watched this; I got told about the drum meta but wasn’t sure I believed it. Just wanted to say kudos to you, great video, and amazing job explaining it all.

[@garettmerlino6906]

Hey I agree I’ve been on this exact route through my own study. I got these in this order- ring, dagger, drum,moras,drum,drum. The dagger and moras web I think should be doubled up though. They both don’t last on stacking. 2-moras 2-daggers In the five march line up. For me I’ll be going for those next and my final two would be ring or more drums maybe. So in the five march I’m going for 2moras 2daggers 5drums 1ring. I think with 5 personal drums I’d be able to get every skill cycle to be 5-6 sec but I’m not sure. With my 3 drums now it helps a lot. Ps you gain multiple rage buffs if they go off at the same time so if two of your marches proc the drum on the same second the ally will gain 100 rage. So if you had 5 you could get 250rage but that would be very rare for all 10% to go off at the same time to get that overage. So if you have 5 drums they’d be giving out about 250rage per 10 sec to every march. I find that 1 drum goes off about once every ten seconds. My 3 drums brings down cycle from 7-8 to 6-7 sec. So my hope would be 5 drums would make it 5-6 sec between each skill cycle. This makes a huge difference of fitting your skills off benefiting from those buffs, I think it would outweigh the extra rings. And I really think doubling up moras and daggers is the right thing when seeing they stay at 1-2 stacks of debuff and sometimes no buff at all. So with one moras 3sec (0) 5sec (1) 2sec (2)over a 10 sec period… about. So with one equip it almost never hits 3 stacks and sometimes is at zero stacks. With doubled up moras and dagger the overall averages I believe will be worth it.

[@99keltin]

How are you able to get that many drum. I can’t get one.

[@davidw.5185]

The big picture for me is that if you are 90% of players who are not chasing the elite rally meta, the drums make sense for field fighting. Plus you save huge amounts of materials. Basically you can get 90 plus percent of what you want, faster and cheaper. Thx for the video@

[@Alphabulous]

It's nice to see they added the War Drum procs to the reports. Another benefit to the War Drums is that it's attainable outside of the SOC shop so you can spend your coins on other things like the Ring. Good move for players not spending on tech who have a limited amount of coins.

[@Dragothien]

Another great point. I have a feeling they’re gonna do a refresh of kvk accessories soon and make the kvk accessories available in egg

[@JB-sl9vg]

Thanks for doing the math on the war drums. This video is great!

[@pmin5554]

I think the reason the top teams have so many KWDs is because the blueprints are easier to get from gems, rather than KvK coins for the Horn. For me, I’m happy to pay a little more legendary materials for the Horn because that is able to proc multiple times in a row. And there are only limited equipment slots, so I prefer to get the ‘best in class’.

[@ferisadi2418]

Exactly. A war drum in open field is only slightly less good then a horn. But because u have the ability to buy them with gems, u can much easier obtain AND TALENT the war drums + u can fully dedicate all season coins on rings, dagger and web. Which means u can obtain and talent those also quicker. This is a really smart strategy for mega spenders.

[@Gideonblade]

great video on the karuak war drum.

[@beezo8975]

Thanks for the informative video. Really constructive. Appreciate your advice

[@davidw.5185]

Awesome breakdown 👌

[@tudiwrap7917]

Thanks so much buddy! I was thinking this and war drums are only 100 legendary material vs 120. Just entering Kvk SoC for the 1st time so I grabbed a ring finally. I have 2 patterns for war drums I will get more now that my theory has been proven by you.

[@tudiwrap7917]

Glad to see you back hope everything is going well in RL.

[@wassup5793]

can you make a video in ark where you are testing a 5 vs 5 and comparing between using wardrums and horn? would be helpful to see that in action

[@tylerdurden7652]

Finally good content. Keep up this detail level. 👍

[@joaomarcoslouro1424]

This video came in the right moment... And now ill have to spend some gems

[@pinkbanana2144]

Thanks for sharing Drago!

[@pokerchannel6991]

Hi: Can this be test: ie: XY expertise gets 10% boost to skill damage if he receives rage buff for more than one turn. So, say XY has horn and gets rage buff on turn 1; and on turn 2, he gets rage buff by drum. Will this type of rage buff trigger xy exerptise? Thx. Can this be tested?

[@ericlariviere9460]

Wow now I need 2 war drum 🥁🤟😉

[@compdogg94]

One other factors to think about is the opportunity cost of the other two open slots because of only needing the 1 war drum, ya know? Like yes it'll likely be more war drums but comparing the one to the three if war drums is even slightly worse war drums is still better because those other slos can be filled with more value than the horns

[@Dragothien]

That nails my point exactly ;) I think I said that 2 or 3 times in the video hehe

[@compdogg94]

@@Dragothien lolllll I was working while watching. My bad 🤣

[@pmin5554]

But one war drum is only equivalent to one horn, so you’ve only got other open slots at the cost of generating rage more frequently…

[@compdogg94]

@@pmin5554 it is not. That's what the entire video is about

[@Almogavar_Papi]

Drago you are great but here is where I miss for mathematical analysis Wick Gaming. My maths are a bit rusty butpercentage of activation PER TURN AND OVERALL for wardrums is if you bring 3 marches with them (1/10)x 3 because of the 3 marches, but 3 seconds cool down means can only activate 30% of the time so multiply that by 3/10. That is 9/600=0.15. Possibility of one horn activating, but since it affects three marches multiply it by 3 and divide it by 6 if you are bringing 6 marches to calculate individual possibility per march, then if you are bringing six to get overall percentage multiply by 6 again. Not sure, anyone can review this?

[@Dragothien]

problem with that math is that you're taking probability out of it. There is a difference between percent chance and probability which is where the math in the video focuses. That being said, yes the horn can proc every second like i showed in the video, but probability wise, it's at around 31% chance to do so. Drums on the other hand has a probability to proc 25% of the time and can do so once every 3 seconds PER DRUM. Thats why the math starts skewing towards the drum. Yes the horn has better odds and will proc more often, but the total rage gen will be much higher with the drums over time and also free up 2-3 other accessory slots to bring debuff and buff accessories all horns wouldn't allow

[@Almogavar_Papi]

@@Dragothien thks bro, I don't understand anything , will read again with a beer on maybe it helps 😂 many thanks again for answering

[@KiranKumar-bf9vl]

It is so interesting how these Asian alliances/KDs have so much to teach us, and who knows what others secrets there may be out there !! And we keep discovering as we go along..

[@Davidred31]

This video is so awesome i liked it twice!!!! Oh wait...

[@warped0936]

I have a couple of questions about rage. I have heard that there is a cap of 250 rage per turn. And that the 250 includes everything skills, talents, armor, accessories and the natural rage regeneration. 1. Is this true? 2. If it is has enyone found the point of diminishing returns or no returns? Thank you for the information on the accessories. I have been looking for this exact thing. I'm a low spender and will only have 3 marches this kvk. This info was perfect.

[@ljulesl8743]

It’s 220 rage cap per turn.

[@Dragothien]

Like Jules said it is 220. That being said you want to be rage capped every turn if you can help it

[@warped0936]

thank you for the replies. That information will come in very useful.

[@renmuhammad6349]

Hello i want to ask, Karuak war drum and horn can be use together in 1 commander or not? And if yes their effect can be stack or not?

[@ionutgrigore7110]

yes they can and they will, Chis uses them both on his Trajan

[@simtrax409]

Got a bit lost, if I have 5 marches what is the best combo for open field? 5 Rings, 3 horns, 1 dagger and 1 web? or should I put also War Drum? if War Drum then instead of what?

[@Dragothien]

go to the chapter that says what I recommend. I say it and put pictures on the screen. Can't be any clearer ;)

[@renmuhammad6349]

Can you make test war drum + horn, is that good or bad pair

[@zarbeazb4516]

By Barbarian Fort Reward Adjustment are you making people quit rok and recruit them for call of dragon?

[@THUNGUNS]

Nice explantion Drago. I have already forged 1 ring, 3 horns, 1 dagger, 1 mora and I run 5 marches in field. So should I forge 4 (maybe only 3 more since trajan is one of the marches) more rings and 1 war drum?

[@Dragothien]

You have 3 drums or 3 horns already?

[@THUNGUNS]

@@Dragothien 3 horns

[@samal-nakhel8822]

Drago how do you get the karuak's war drum

[@Dragothien]

Egg event is best way

[@99keltin]

When you talk about the composition of 5 marches. Does it matter which commanders have which set up? Also if I bring 3 marches what would u recommend

[@Dragothien]

You can do 1 drums dagger and web

[@caseypark69]

Why do the KWD no longer show in the battle log?

[@Dragothien]

Haven’t noticed that

[@destruction1ksa737]

Hey Drago Got another question: I plan to use alex/harald but dont know who to use as primary and Great vid btw

[@Dragothien]

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[@destruction1ksa737]

@@Dragothien thanks drago

[@cumalikazan7128]

What if I use Joan in my set up do I still have to put 3 karuak?

[@Dragothien]

Yes

[@bobbydavis7411]

I personally think horn is the better choice seeing dollar account he had one ear drums not three and he had 2-3 horns I just think over all the horn is a better investment. But great video

[@pmin5554]

I agree, especially if you are happy to be selfish and not bothered about giving rage to allies 😆

[@bobbydavis7411]

@@pmin5554 🤣🤣🤣🤣🖕

[@JB-sl9vg]

@@pmin5554 I see what you did there 😉

[@ferisadi2418]

Hi Drago, I think u are totally wrong on this. 100 turns of fighting with horn of fury equipped: Average of 30 procs. Total extra rage generated = 30 procs x 50 rage = 1500 rage. 100 turns of kuruak war drums (not taking into account the 3 second cooldown): Average of 10 procs. Total extra rage generated = 10 procs x 150 rage = 1500 rage. Now if we do take into account the 3 second cooldown of the proc, The average number of procs per 100 turns is close to 8. So the real rage generation of kuruak war drums per 100 turns is closer to 8 procs x 150 rage = 1200. So If we look at how much rage the items generate in a specific amount of turns, the horn outclasses the war drums (By a little). Not only that, Horn = All the rage it generates is focused on the march u want it to be on. U have control over where the rage ends up. War drums = The rage is for 1/3th where u want it to be and for 2/3 randomly distributed. So again, here the horn is slightly advantageous. Now the real reason why I think top teams use war drums (And maybe Seth’s calls): Not because they are better. But because they are obtainable with gems! So these top players can use their season coins on obtaining rings, daggers, webs and talent those. And use their gems on obtaining war drums and after getting enough of them talent those. This allows them to reach top tier talented Accessoire on all marches much quicker. Taking into account 3 blueprint’s players can obtain per SOC kvk, this is a totally legit strategy for high tier spenders. But it does not make war drums better then horn.

[@Dragothien]

The whole point of the video was stating the numbers were close enough while still freeing up 2 or 3 other accessory slots for dagger web Seth’s.

[@ferisadi2418]

@@Dragothien Let’s say a player for a 5 march setup, now uses 4 horns. 4 rings. 1 dagger and 1 web. The dagger and web on a march where extra rage gain is not beneficial (Arte tommy, Ram tommy). The other 4 High DPS marches all use horn and ring. ALL those 4 marches gain an average of 150 rage per 10 turns. That’s equivalent to shortening a skill cycle from 8 to 7 turns and increases TOTAL damage output by about 9-10% (Skill damage output is increased by about 13%). Ditching the 4 horns, to then get 3x wardrums and 1 extra ring is not gonna lead to a better outcome: The rage your 4 marches IN TOTAL gain on average per 100 turns, goes down from 6000 (4x1500) to 3600 (3x1200). That’s a reduction of 40% rage gain through Accessoires. And the option to then have a extra ring on 1 march will not compensate. It is slightly inferior, but easier to obtain for high spenders. It allows those mega spenders to have 10+ talented accesoires much quicker. And this is why they have this kind of setup. Not because it is better ultimately.

[@spectre3604]

I completely agree with @Ferisadi here. Amazing video my friend and I appreciate the content along with the effort taken. But I would like to notify you that your 'Math' is completely incorrect. Math is not a subject where you can come up with an approximate answer. You need to consider the 2 sec cooldown and all the other factors including the rage capping. Example : What happens when all 4 war drums proc at the same time. Totally rage wasting. As mentioned, with horn you have a better control over where the rage ends up. Also with Horn, you can quickly do skill cycle due to high probability and get out of a fight. Ideal for murder ball, cheeze burgering[not relevant to this video, I agree] etc. Thanks again for this amazing content along with the effort taken.

[@steefbeelen4374]

20 sec and like drago that much all subscribe and like he is such a good content creator😁😁😁😁

[@KamKam8383]

What is the war drum 's area of effect?

[@Dragothien]

Joan size from what I’ve heard, but haven’t tested.

[@KamKam8383]

@@Dragothien Cheers man for your response 🙂

[@ferisadi2418]

About the ring of doom: If the cooldown of maximum 1 trigger per 5 turns would not exist. Then 10% chance to increase damage by 50% for two turns, means that in 100 turns, on average 20 turns deal 50% more damage. So the total average damage increase would be 10%. With the maximum trigger ability of once every 5 seconds, the actual number is slight lower (7,14% average damage increase). Don’t get me wrong. That is still one of the best in slot items. But it’s not as good as u mentioned.

[@Dragothien]

It really depends on if it procs during a skill going off or not. No real way to fully give a flat bonus but someone did a procedural generation of a bunch of tests and that’s the number they gave.

[@ferisadi2418]

@@Dragothien This is how u calculate averages. Of course if out of those 20 turns where the ring is active u more then average proc skills, the result will be above average. But if u take a very large sample size (let’s say 10.000 of 20.000 turns), the real results get very close to the calculated average, because of the large sample size and it’s reduced variability of outcomes. U then will see that the ring increases total damage output by about 7%.

[@johntran360]

For 1 or 2 march horn or war drums?

[@snowball5430]

neither get ur dagger,web and ring then just wait till u have more marches and after that go for war drums just opinion

[@Dragothien]

One march horn is better. Any more than one and drums is better

[@johntran360]

@@Dragothien thx

[@AlexanderGkamanis]

I like this more than the horns...

[@snowball5430]

thank u drago i think i am not forging horn:D

[@DrKingSchultz1859]

So rage cap was a hoax?

[@Dragothien]

No it still very much exists, but you want to be at rage cap. The hoax was people thinking the cap was something to avoid

[@Joe-ih3ln]

And what about the two horns I've already made?! Uhhh

[@Dragothien]

Haha. Still top tier for rally and garrison ;)

[@pmin5554]

Keep them! They are better than two war drums.

[@daviddimeglio5466]

the ring of doom is not to good, dont pop very often or never pop in 60 turns whats happens

[@Dragothien]

Pops all the time for me

[@ctchan2484]

Thanks drago for your video and detailed explanation. However I have different perspective on the topic you have discussed. I personally think that the drum does not perform better than horn. The horn gives 30% to trigger the 50 rage boost effect. But for the drum, there is only '10% andi in fact, it is not actually 10%, maybe 9% or lower. I remember that wickgaming has talked about this. Bearly remember it is just around 7-8% possibility for every 10 turns. I actually made a drum but I just realised that the drum was just performing badly and it did not really help a lot. One of the reasons is that your marches can reach the cap (220 rage per turn) easily, and the 50 rage does not even benefit you from triggering the active skill one turn faster. In my opinion, I rather equip silent trial or even horn than the drum. I should say if you have an expertised drum and you are a big spender (especially those who have 6-7 marches), you can get one or two. But if you are not, I really dont suggest those mid-low spenders to do that.

[@Dragothien]

This video didn’t compare 1 drum to 1 horn, but rather 1 drum to 3 horns and how to set up your accessories for 5/6/7 marches most efficiently. Please rewatch and take one section at a time. My numbers are spot on and proven in real game combat.

[@israelbenzsaravanbertiez2154]

I have a expertise drum Yei

[@bigd1917]

120 legendary materials for horn Or 100 legendary materials for drums I'm forging drums lol

[@pmin5554]

I would rather pay the extra mats to keep all the rage to my own march, and have the chance for it to go off 4 times in a row as it has no cool down.

[@StefanMedici]

Rip my horn 😂

[@Dragothien]

Horn is still perfect for garrison or rally

[@devilmaycry1710]

@@Dragothien not for open field?

[@marceloaragao4425]

Why people saying that ring is the best for open field? HELL NOT! HE is the best for ralli and garrisson! For open field you die before trigger the ring! And maybe in a big figther , when everyone has ring of doom.. because doesnt metter who dies, who stay alive ill trigger the ring..

[@Dragothien]

Ring triggers all the time for me in open field

[@marceloaragao4425]

@@Dragothien what you think tô test 5v5 , 1 ring vs 1 greatest glory... you ill see that ring is better only situation that The commander stay alive most time... If i focus first on your commander that have ring, glory is better... i think ring is better only if i focus on The ring at The third person

[@علیکریمی-خ1م]

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