The Surprising Way The Owl House Presents Morality

[@Kasrium]

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[@WilczycaCzarownica]

About Lilith and also Eda relation I want to point out their childhood. I always wondered why Eda hated school where she came to study magic and why is so chaotic if she want to join emperor coven. When I watched episode Them's the Breaks, Kid! everything become clear to me. Eda wanted to join emperor coven because of Lilith. She also came to school, because of her. Eda never had a friends except her sister and she didn't knew show her life would be without her. But when Lilith started to study to join emperor coven she started to not notice Eda. She even didn't notice why Eda wasn't at classroom or that she had trouble for smuggling Lilith. And Eda started to felt lonely. But it was changed after Raine show up. They changed her life and started to hang out more with Raine than her sister and Lilith wasn't happy about it. Eda realize that she didn't care anymore about joining smuggling emperor coven, because she has Raine and like she said to Lilith coven didn't suit her and that's true. Sad that Eda end up to has a curse, because Lilith though Eda was more interested joining emperor coven. But she also doesn't has easy life. I was shocked when I saw Lilith with red curly hair and big glasses. She changed after joining coven and Eda was still the same person like she was as a kid. Lilith adapted emperor coven to be accepted, but when Eda was in danger she couldn't do it anymore and she saved her sister.

[@METerrell]

Both Clawthorne sisters seem to be neuro-divergent, but in different ways. Lilith seems like someone with autism, while Eda is more like someone with ADHD.

[@phantomdragon9936]

I would argue that Lilith was always a nerd, even when working for Belos. She more than likely just had to hide that side of herself

[@ViridianCrisis7]

I think people write of early S1 Amity as “meant to be a bully but writers changed their mind” without seeing how the change, while quick, was well integrated. Amity was cut off from Willow and thrown into her parents’ expectations from then on. She adopted the mean, arrogant attitude bc that’s what she was taught. Only after Luz nearly drove her insane was she open to real change

[@senacario5942]

Ah yes, the parent controlled introvert goes insane but eventually dates the fatherless extrovert. Tale as old as time

[@CrashCubeZeroOne]

Her spending more time as a bully would've just been dragging on imo. Lost in Language is already her 4th appearance (3rd major). It gave season 1 time to explore other stuff about her, like her and Willow's friendship, her developing crush on Luz, and planting the seeds for the relationship with her parents to be explored in season 2.

[@amesstarline5482]

A key thing to consider is how Amity speaks- it's like she's forcing herself to sound more harsh and aggressive towards Willow, when she didn't want to. Luz helped her overcome these pressures.

[@genericname2747]

Amity saw a chance to stop acting mean, and she immediately took it.

[@ninakrishnamurthy6674]

I low-key kinda love that with all the Liliths and Hunters and Collectors, we can still all look at Oralia and go "That b****!"

[@alexismyers6053]

“Probably has a garden of dead kid mulch” had me giggling XD

[@Lisa_Flowers]

I totally agree with your assessment of Lillith. I think the reason some people defend her actions before her redemption as not being her fault or wrong is because it can be hard for many people to think about these things with nuance. The internet especially loves to present things in Black and white, so it's hard for some people to recognize that Lillith can be a character we've all come to love and appreciate WHILE also having done a lot of really awful things that don't stop being awful simply because she's sorry. There can be a cognitive dissonance in acknowledging someone as having chosen to do something extremely horrible while also recognising that they eventually improved and became a good person because it's so common to think of people as inherently good or bad, or to feel like you have to objectively know when they've crossed the line into 'unforgivable' or 'unreedemable' if there is one. Character's like Lillith spark that dissonance in people, so it can feel like the only way you are 'allowed' to like her or think she's a good person is if you minimise how harmful her past actions were. Whereas you're arguing that what makes her such a great person/character is that she made shitty choices that hurt a lot of people, but she owns up to those choices and actively works on improving and mending some of the harm she caused. But to be honest if I was Eda, it would be really hard to forgive Lillith andI might not choose to forgive her at all. The curse has caused so much pain and harm to Eda's life for so long, and like you said, none of that goes away because Lillith apologised and changed and took on half the burden of the curse. (That doesn't make Lillith a bad or unlikeable character to me, I actually love her, I just don't know if I'd find that particular action forgivable or bring her into the fold anywhere as quickly as Eda and Luz did). And it would have been nice to see that initial tension or mistrust more clearly in the first episodes of season 2, because it is really weird that Eda just forgives her. They paid attention to this tension to some degree with Willow and Amity in that they didn't immediately become close friends, and in the grand scheme of things, their beef with each other is far eclipsed by Eda's and Lillith's. So it's weird that things just go back to normal between Eda and Lillith without that being a factor.

[@xXMindSoulXx]

Yeah I agree, sorry I don’t have anything to add on because you already covered basically everything.

[@ErutaniaRose]

I think if they showed Eda saying something to the degree of blaming Belos and the systems at play more than her sister it would have fit more. Like, instead of blaming her sister as much, especially after having fought her and letting out all that anger when she first found out, she blamed the coven system for making Lillith attack her, and blames Belos for manipulating Lillith more than her sister for believing he would actually help. I think it would fit more as we see Eda be sympathetic to Lillith throughout the series, directly trying to tell her Belos is lying about helping her, giving Lillith her ring so she won’t go back empty handed, etc. Especially since Eda knows her sister from how close they were, and has spent her whole life understanding and rebelling against the systems at hand, controlled by Belos. Edit: No, I don’t think Lillith is blameless, K think the video says it well. I just think it would have been interesting if that was Eda’s take on it, and she wants her sister back in her life more than holding those years of abuse against her. Especially if other characters seeing the circumstances didn’t agree that Eda should forgive her that easily.

[@Hellomahfriend]

Some funny moments: 1:19 Lego Eda 11:27 "THINK COMMENTER" 13:14 "Attempted to brainwash co-worker by drugging them" 19:34 POV: "You Wore An Odalia Cosplay To An Owl House Meetup"

[@marcelyuzuki6376]

Everyone who think Odalia will change didn't pay any attention to her Character and how Bad of a Person she is. Odalia is as worse as Belos but with less Ressourc to do this thinks.

[@wcs792]

IDK about "worse than Belos," she's definitely about as self-absorbed but nowhere near as self-deluded. Belos actually thinks he's doing the right thing, Odalia doesn't care what the right thing is as long as it gets her ahead.

[@Hellomahfriend]

@@wcs792 AND if you think about it, Belos killed his own brother and copies of her brother a lot of times while Odalia gave him a army that hasn't killed anyone yet. So you can say Odalia is self absorbed helping 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 so she gets ahead. While Belos will do 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 to make the right thing. Even if it includes killing people and his own brother.

[@partygamingz3332]

Don't think she is worse as belos, as though she is compliant in deaths/injured civilians for millions for profit, she isn't in the level of belos where he spent 300+ years on a plan of mass genocide due to him being a racist bitch calling everyone but himself a sinner. And belos also on the other hand even went out of his way to kill his brother, the one person that cared and loved him all cuz he was (most likely) dating a witch and still tries to rationalise to this day its his brothers fault for dying She is irredeemable and an asshole that obsessed with money and status, but she ain't like belos which doesn't even do it for power but cuz he's messed up (Note, even tho I don't she's the same as belos especially character wise, their both abusers in the end of the day and with how their written I don't think they will ever get reddemed and rightfully so)

[@ErutaniaRose]

She may not be a colonizer, but she is a manipulative abuser who clings to power over others.

[@ErutaniaRose]

@@wcs792Plus she isn’t a colonizer, just a run of the mill abuser.

[@ccherry.berryy]

I love the way that in Odalia’s segment you added edits to make it look like an infomercial, amazingly on brand

[@alexismyers6053]

One thing I want to see know is, how “hands on” was Odalia in Amity’s life when we first met her (Amity)? That necklace Amity used to have could allow Odalia to communicate telepathically with Amity, but she did so with a similar gem on her own necklace. So was that communication one way or 2 ways? Amity also seems to be able to talk to Odalia through it, saying out loud “yes mom” when Odalia’s mental link to her is revealed as if Odalia could hear her despite being in a somewhat noise area with some distance between them. So, does this mean that Odalia had Amity “bugged” everyone time that necklace was worn (which seems to be all the time) and if she was, does that “bugging” extended to Amity’s thoughts as well? Also, since Odalia works with Skara and Boscha’s parents, was she using them to monitor Amity? Depending on the answers to these questions, outside of just being creepy and wrong and pathetic, it would also explain why Amity became a bully to Willow, rather than just ignoring her. Odalia is obsessed with status and putting everyone “in their place.” She also seems to hold grudges. So willow “daring”not befriend Amity would probably be something she’d hold onto and want to make sure never happened again. I wouldn’t be surprised if she forced Amity to treat Willow the way she had when we first meet (former) Green Bean. If Odalia did have Amity bugged and/or being monitored, she could punish Amity by hurting Willow if Amity didn’t listen. And even if she didn’t do these things, just the fear of her mother finding out was probably enough to keep Amity “in line.” It would explain why Amity went from not wanting Willow to be hurt to being the one to hurt Willow. In Amity’s mind, it was best she be the one hurting Willow because no one can cause pain the way Odalia can. She may have thought that there was no winning and no matter what she chose, Willow would be hurt, so it was best to choose the lesser of 2 evils, that way she could at least protect Willow in some twisted way.

[@writefightwriter]

“YOWSA-WOWSA! I'll talk about Odalia! Chill”

[@oprime]

I found your video thoughts very good and you, like the characters in TOH, have learned and grown, sometimes quickly and other times a bit slower but that's life. We all grow at our own pace and motivations. You've got to admit that the writing for the characters and the show in general is so good that it makes KZbin creators, fans of the show and more create very impressive videos, comics, and original music and more. To me, that says something about how the show will last in people's memories and hearts long after the last episode airs. I know that I'll never forget the show as it's easily been one of my favorite shows that Disney... no, any channel has ever produced.

[@MrSupernaturalLife]

I've never seen a show so quick to change the status quo after the first season. And it was so consistently good at doing so!

[@kitchenprincess321]

To your point about Lilith's perceived neglect not being acknowledged by the characters as a motivation for the curse, I think it seriously weakens Lilith's entire character. It makes it feel like Gwen started neglecting her AFTER the symptoms of the curse began to appear, which she herself caused at the cusp of adulthood, when she was old enough to know better. Having her even just hint that it could have been a motivation could seriously make a huge difference.

[@anidleteen]

Me: Ahh, time to take a break from my essay about morality to watch Kasrium's video Kasrium's video: *is literally about morality*

[@That_Dude9042]

odalia is that villain that you love to hate with all your heart

[@Lisa_Flowers]

Lmao at the number of people in the fandom trying to sweep aside the Collector's horrible actions because he's just a child who wants to play when he LITERALLY helped along the near mass genocide of the entire boiling Isles. I don't think he's an evil character per se, but I do think it's weird how so many people insist on seeing him as not villainous or antagonistic at all or excusing his actions because of his childlike qualities. Being childlike isn't mutually exclusive to devaluing human life to the point where you are okay with participating in genocide or turning people into play things.

[@tulipallium]

10:24 Odalia and Alador can be seen behind Lilith!! I didn't even notice that before...

[@vas_show]

I love how enthusiastic you sound in your videos, makes it very entertaining

[@kratkartan1486]

The fact you talked about Ordalia as if it was a sale's pitch, is perfect.

[@ccherry.berryy]

13:49 woah- ok I didn’t think of that- that’s GOOD

[@astralaurora4165]

I totally agree with you about Lilith ❤️ I used to hate her, but now she’s my second favourite, just behind Eda :D

[@greencopper12]

1:26 I need bleach

[@Salt_Master_Queue]

2:33 It sparkles and shimmers, it shines and delights! I must have it for my nest.

[@perpetualcollapse]

“Does He Know?”

[@Eevangel21]

Imagine trying to hide the fact that you can hear the little miss perfect soundtrack in the background for a slight point

[@tajklair]

*Your video is interesting. It manages to highlight some characters in a new light*

[@quakenburg]

He's back! Great video as always!

[@kaokeron3538]

Darn I just keep stumbling upon these nice channels I remember very well that people found Lilith's arc to be rushed but imo at least she recognized her past decisions and tried everything in her power to help issues between her sister and mother. Odalia, unlike Alador, will likely not realize that her children don't want or need to be among the top of the systems Belos created, as that greed and hunger to reach the top is the very thing that made her family break from her. Edric could've pursued a potential passion in the potion or beastkeeping track similar to Willow, but Odalia likely pushed him to stay within the abomination business. Amity realized with the help of Luz and the other members of the Hexside squad that she didn't really want or need to become a coven head and be at the top, and she was the one who fought for what she really wanted rather than her mother.

[@SardonyxOrange]

YOU’VE GROWN OH MY GOSH KASRIUM

[@baja_blast_]

this has to be my new fav essay so far!!

[@Kasrium]

❤️ you Baja 😊

[@krisztinamatocsi5002]

I don't like odalia but I wish I could see more of the oracle coven magic.. that was just cool and you can't change my mind. she is kinda like azula, ppl shouldn't like her, has one of the coolest magics, and dissappears without much content and I have exsistensial crisis about my interests. I would like to see her more

[@ccherry.berryy]

LEGO EDA WHEN BELOS ZAPS HER HELP-

[@cassandraspoelhof3752]

Great video. I thought I was already subscribed to your channel, but turns out I wasn’t. I am now though and I’ve got the notification bell on. Hope you are having a fantastic day. If not I hope it gets better.

[@Kasrium]

Thank you so much for watching Cassandra!

[@smoczayt]

15:43, wow, she has more screen time than Shanks in One Piece

[@wendyheatherwood]

I'm not sure that favouritism is a factor with Lilith's decision to use the curse, as the time's we've seen Eda getting more attention are after Lilith cursed her. I got the impression that Eda got the extra attention entirely because of the curse, the same way that a child with a serious long term (potentially degenerative) disease will often get the majority of their parent's attention leaving any healthy siblings feeling neglected.

[@astralaurora4165]

I’m not sure about that. In Keeping-Up-Afearances, her mom points out that she was always self-sufficient, so didn’t give her the attention she deserved. I always got the impression that Eda was naturally more talented than Lilith and that she was always chasing her. It would make a lot more sense that her feeling neglected by her parents, and then Raine coming into the picture, caused her to take extreme measures to get some sort of attention from her parents. Eda was also more prone to trouble, so her parents could’ve been more focused on Eda in that aspect too. I think Lilith being neglected is also implied in Knock Knock Knockin On Hootys Door, when her mother dismisses something she’s just done.

[@wendyheatherwood]

@astralaurora The scene in Knock Knock Knocking on Hooty's Door was after the curse though, so I read that more as the start of the neglect.

[@SardonyxOrange]

Remember when you were at below 500 subscribers? You’ve come a long way

[@Kasrium]

I certainly do my friend! Thank your being here for as long as you have Onyx

[@SardonyxOrange]

@@KasriumYou’re Welcome! Can’t wait to see what happens next! Have a good rest of your day

[@Folomus]

Thanks for pointing out that Odalia did nothing wrong 12:51. I guess there is no point in seeing the rest of the video, which I assume will just be praising her and explaining how she was misunderstood. /s Thanks for the video!

[@hollow9552]

What? Can’t wait to see what this is about.

[@dutchstewart9462]

I have a potential theory for "The Owl House," could Luz (and humans in general) possibly be something of an amplifier for magic cast by witches? The reason I bring this up is because some of the most impressive feats (outside of Eda's) were performed with Luz either being directly involved or in close proximity to the spell being cast. Do you find this theory plausible or am I just finding something where there is nothing?

[@dilliegaph]

why did the video tell me to “be better” when i fast forwarded on accident?? sos i’m choking

[@Salt_Master_Queue]

1:37 I can't believe I said that!

[@villeandersson1487]

0:55. Kasrium: screams. Viewers: Relax, buddy! It's not that bad! Kasrium: No, I just spilled hot tea on my crotch!

[@LuzOhCramity]

I said this in the live but id like to repet it, i like a funny video like tibbels it can work but you need a belos to balance it out

[@kingofcrowzz]

I feel like anti villain is the right term to use

[@TacoMakesEdits]

You should make a discord, it would be pretty cool!

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

Adaghast, Kikimora, and Belos were villains. Arguably, Terra in them's the breaks, kid was a villain. Bill was a villain, but his followers weren't. The old collectors were villains. Pretty much no other villains, just antagonists.

[@GhostlyOracle]

Love this but I gotta ask who saw the leak of toh s3 ep2 video last night?

[@jessternguyen8662]

Can you do a video about development though every episodes and seasons. She is the unique and greatest protagonist development I ever seen 😍🥰

[@exileforever2508]

The Art of Regression? I wonder what that video means?

[@Turai12]

The reason Odalia is the best antagonist is,as the kids say, she's thicc

[@CommanderDarcy]

NEW VIDEO, YAY

[@kidfrenzy2273]

Would belos be considered evil because he genuinely thinks he’s doing the right thing

[@jadedesigns6171]

Do you think hitler thought of himself as evil?

[@kidfrenzy2273]

@@jadedesigns6171 no, he was a terrible person but not evil the world is full these label good,evil, blah blah when it comes down to it it all just a series of decisions Hitler although objectively speaking I believe he was the greatest leader of all time,he was a idiot he aloud his prejudices blind and guide him in his goal to make the world a better place wouldn’t you say that making the world a better place is a good end goal but the way he planed to get there is what makes his goals so Heynis

[@jadedesigns6171]

@@kidfrenzy2273 Do you think anyone who does bad things, thinks what they are doing is bad? If you have good intentions, does that excuse murdering millions?

[@kidfrenzy2273]

@@jadedesigns6171 no, I’m just saying worlds more complicated than good and evil

[@Sugerybun]

I think odalia is gonna be changed into good

[@wcs792]

SPOILERS FOR "FOR THE FUTURE" Camilla brains Kikimora with a baseball bat and it's great.

[@AllieRS]

Hey love you

[@isabelwonders8711]

The Waffle House has found it’s new host.

[@federicoxcc4966]

Odalia Is not a villan, She Is a bad parent

[@wendyheatherwood]

She was also knowingly creating an army for a tyrant so that he could use it against his own people. She's both.

[@mattman15]

I see where you're going with this. I still want to believe that the Collector is redeemable because he is just a child, technically, and doesn't understand the pain that he's causing. Odalia is still beyond redemption not only because of her involvement in the Draining Spell, but for constant abuse and pretty much being the Dolores Umbridge of the Owl House.

[@DomyTheMad420]

could you stop it with the hylarious edits & notes in the video? i'm trying to listen to the words but i keep getting distracted

[@kaka8635]

season 1 was so bad

[@hellriderindustries3083]

Bro chill your reading to much into a cartoon.

[@evergreenoaktree]

why are you even here lol