Fashion Brand FALSELY ACCUSED Artist Of Using AI Art

What are your thoughts about this scenario? There's been a rampant trend of artists being accused of using AI, but sometimes it does more harm than good :o
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[@Froggycolouring]

“Lineart doesn’t match rendering level” is actually such a horrible argument, sketchy lineart is usually a stylistic choice…

[@deviltrope]

also some artists are better at rendering than linework/anatomy/proportions. I've seen a lot of real artists with perfectly polished works but loose proportipns. heck, I'm one of those artists 💀

[@nurhaqim7159]

Not only horrible arguments. But that is very facts about artists. Lineart never matches the rendering level. Who thinks both are matching is never an artist. Even good artists fall short in this matter.

[@KanikVT]

Depends, when people are so good at rendering there is an expectancy of level on line art.

[@chocofurina]

@@KanikVT i think they're two different skill sets. it's common for artists to do great lineart and great rendering, yes, but some people tend to put down lines differently. that doesn't affect the rendering processas much, but it does affect lineart because you need to put down clean lines in order for the lineart to look good. that's where you get people cleaning up sketches in order to get to rendering faster

[@KanikVT]

@@chocofurina for everyone different ofc, but it does look suspicious when rendering looks amazing and the line art looks like a 10yo made it

[@ohitsmorg]

Imagine basically ending someone’s career and hitting them with an “oopsie here’s an iPad.

[@DefineMeAsOne]

Yeah, ZuYu should sue for defamation instead, he might make more than $1500 and Ipad. Better yet take the money then sue. (I'm jk btw).

[@caitlynxzane]

I miss the days when artists didn’t have to worry about AI accusations 😢

[@GlitchMothLu]

It's not suspenders, it's his gun holsters...

[@Moogchungus]

yea for his cursed weapon smh...

[@GlitchMothLu]

@@Moogchungus I don't even watch the series, I just watch a lot of old detective movies lol

[@Moogchungus]

​@GlitchMothLu yeah, I feel like not knowing anything abt him you would still be able to tell its holsters lolol

[@Morbid_Alice]

Yes!!!

[@mister-canada367]

@@Moogchungus I literally watched the show and completely forgot he had those lol. Not saying that justifies what happened to Zuyu, just saying people's brains aren't the best sometimes. I am glad I was informed of what they were tho, I was pretty clueless earlier lol

[@Nitallie]

As an artist with messy line corners & tendency to turn sketches into lineart and call it a day - I want to both laugh and cry at situations like this. Apart from the artstyle being something personal and individualistic to different artists, formed by their own learning pathways, there's a one funny thing: In some cases, sloppiness is a direct result of modern expectations and demands from artists. "More and faster" is the key to success in many areas, especially in the media space. If you don't print fanart and commissions like a madman, everybody loses interest pretty fast. It's TikTok age, after all. Re-learning & just learning to draw like a machine comes by the cost of quality; sometimes people resort to tracing and other cheating tactics, just to save time. Not defending this crap, but can sympathize. And bless those who just built different and can be both high quality and fast :'з So if you treat art like chips - don't look for cut diamonds on the bottom of the pack. Also, the heckin social pressure these AI witch hunts are putting on artists. "Prove to us, show us everything, follow these instructions from us right on livestream'' - thank god for deleted twitter and being underground furry artist, honestly. Some people find it relatively easy and just ''why not?'', but if I was in Zuyu's place - would cry and die right here and there.

[@aguitadecoco2319]

this! it's honestly super demotivating "the level of rendering doesn't match the level of lineart" what if I'm just lazy and if I prefer to paint..

[@triggerfairy4070]

Id add an FU to that last post for the icedtea prick

[@lmSheep]

You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.

[@triggerfairy4070]

@@lmSheep the title itself say falsely accused of using AI art. So the artist didn't used AI.

[@VixxyCopeland]

I think my issue here is....IcedTea should have asked for proof PRIVATELY. It's totally fine to want to vet the person you're working with. But this proof could have been asked for on Discord. This livestream could have been asked for behind the scenes. If Zuyu failed to provide, then make your threads. I hate AI art, but this is slowly becoming a Witch hunt on Twitter and real artists are getting caught in the cross fire. Also this whole "Artist dont make mistakes that often!" Is such bullshit and its harmful. im still learning and I make mistakes ALL the times. My artist friends who are at a much higher skill level also make mistakes like this at a semi constant rate. Are they always noticeable? No. But human error is gonna happen when HUMANS draw. They may catch it before they post. They may not.

[@lillianabright03]

???? did you even watch the video? The comapny literally asked for proof in private dms. maybe watch the video properly before making assumptions.

[@pancaqq4578]

They did ask privately and didn’t get anything for a month and a half.

[@beelzebub4809]

That’s what happened though. Zuyu failed to provide information and then they made the thread. And yeah, AI art is damaging I agree, which is why the brand was so cautious and made that thread because if Zuyu was using ai, that could be harmful to ice tea whatever. As much as I feel bad for Zuyu, I can understand where the brand was coming from.

[@romeunleashed2]

@@pancaqq4578 Was he active during that month and half though? Like actively posting on X and stuff. As i know if you live in China which i believe he does as he is Chinese. You need to use VPNs to connect to anything else and the Chinese government is always blocking that . which can take some time to get VPN back up.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Zuyu should sue for defamation

[@tommy-fn2xr]

as an artist I don't think his art looks like AI, I think he simply has an artstyle that AI likes to reference often. and, to be completely honest, knowing that AI generated art is only going to continue to improve and eventually become indistinguishable, it feels wrong to accuse artists of using it for such minor details.

[@binette2906]

Yeah like there was no slop in the drawing or anything like that.

[@KamiLeVrai]

Tips to spot AI pictures , 100% garanty If you use the color specter in photoshop or any editing software , you will see that the noise patern dont change between the differents colors RGB you can also look for JPEG artifacts Those tips dont work if the person trace and paint over AI.

[@tommy-fn2xr]

@@KamiLeVrai i just don't think there's much point in trying to hyperanalyze an artists work for AI because eventually it will become an outdated method. AI is improving rapidly regardless. What we should be pushing for is for transparency from artists, and if not from the artists themselves then for social media and the apps in question.

[@michaeldata5741]

@@KamiLeVrai Yeah that does not work anymore.

[@KamiLeVrai]

@@michaeldata5741Nah i test it yesterday on recently posted AI stuff, its still working Tested it on images generated on MidJourney , on SD 1.5 Model , on PonyDiffusion Model , on FLUX model

[@pandoraarts7748]

People have messy art styles. Why are trying to force people into a clean line art style? I’m tired of people hating on messy line Art

[@aeoeoeo1434]

yeah its insane, a few years ago i wouldnt care if my hair strands were not consistent and my jacket has one extra flap bc it looks cool, nowadays you kinda have to fight for your life because unstable schizo twitter users want to witch hunt for entertainment

[@Masahiro-Masaki]

Agreed! Honestly, I really like messy line art I think it adds to the drawings and makes it look more like a traditional style if you're doing it on the computer/ Tablet/ phone. It's honestly sad that it gets so much backlash

[@lmSheep]

You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.

[@samuelvallejos]

I do manga, and messy lineart is the best!

[@pandoraarts7748]

@@lmSheep I did watch the whole video, and there are tons of people hating on messy line art. It was also brought up as a point to use against them multiple times. I just wish people would stop using this as an excuse to blame people for doing so art or it “looking bad” or “unprofessional”

[@purporchid8628]

As a smoker, that pose actually didn’t look weird to me. As soon as you brought it up, I thought of several situations of why that pose makes sense, especially if pieces can be looked at as snapshot moments. If Nanami was going to be holding the cigarette, the more standard cigarette hold (fingers facing you, with index above and middle finger below, thumb stabilizing behind) is probably what he would’ve drawn, not that Also, I actually prefer the “chicken scratch” sketching style, that’s how I draw also however, I’m a paper/pencil girly. It seemed like a stylistic choice to me

[@weewooweewoo906]

yeah i considered the character was just in the process of reaching for cig

[@mantara-29236]

It’s always non artists.

[@XartiXV]

Some of them uses Ai Detectors.

[@UnderTheMoon3]

@@XartiXVthose are trash and they ruined the end of my university years. It’s not art but writing ai detector, I was the leader of group of 7 people doing a research and writing everything each one of us was responsible for a section and after we finish I organize everything and correct grammar mistakes since I was the best with writing. Then at the end when we finished we submitted it to the professor she ran it through an Ai text detector to check if we used something to generate text for us (despite us taking a full year to actually write and test everything) and guess what happened ? The teacher told me that it was 90% ai generated 🤡 I send it her multiple proofs of use writing everything and despite that she told me to rewrite some sentences which took us an extra 10 days to finish and we had finals exams during that time as well it made me absolutely hate the entire last year of uni when I was supposed to enjoy it

[@Starb0y_Imai]

i feel like ice tea or whatever their name was went about it better than some people accusing

[@Moogchungus]

idk something about the brand asking for zuyu to livestream with all those demands plus offering 500 just irritates me...

[@carziecat]

"Here's 500 now dance for us" it's gross and entitled and dehumanizing. "You should be grateful I'm throwing money at you" Imagine telling any other type of professional that.

[@Moogchungus]

​@carziecat fr, it's really hard to not get that vibe

[@lavndvrrart]

Im so angry for zuyu. I would sue them for a lot mare than just 1,500 dollars. I cant belive they would ruin someones whole reputation with no proof.

[@Husain5XG]

You sound so fake, it's like sarcasm

[@Husain5XG]

And oops, I thought it was At, not for

[@munchkin8465]

Yeah if this artist plans on doing it full time this will surely cost more than 1500$ in missed jobs

[@lmSheep]

Do you not see the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated. Even the video creator herself said this one has her sus.

[@Analou13]

@@lmSheepbruh i have made dumb mistakes like the shirt too and i just leave it because its lowkey just dumb and too much work to remove the littlest mistake especially when i draw clothes not to mention those types my drawing of those types of clothes always look messed up and literally what missing finger 💀

[@nnyako]

15:00 gun holster, not suspenders. That’s why it doesn’t reach the bottom

[@ladyryuki308]

he doesn't use a gun. he has suspenders that attach to both sides of his pants at the hips and wrap around his back in the shape of an X. on the back, it holds his cleaver

[@daemonjpeg]

i was thinking it could be suspenders and yuzu just forgot to draw the other side. cant tell you how many times i have accidentally done that with my own art lmao

[@nnyako]

@@ladyryuki308 ahh I see, that’s what others were saying. I assume he (artist) thought they were gun holsters, the way the brown piece was drawn it’s in the shape of a holster

[@red-road-rot4970]

@@ladyryuki308which equally explains how the artist drew the suspenders since the pose hides his hips where they connect on both sides

[@LilMissForgotten-nx4kf]

I just think these are minor mistakes. It shouldnt be called ai unless you have 100 percent proof it is-

[@Æuvelity]

They do realise AI copies real artists right? Right..?

[@siandream4495]

Also god forbid artists struggle with drawing hands or making any choises that aren't your perfect lineart anime bs

[@xBugx666x]

its the fact that its a constant mistake- people often spend a lot of time on the hands since they are hard to draw so not catching additional or missing fingers that many times is crazy

[@triggerfairy4070]

I once made the hand completely reversed before noticing it halfway to coloring the whole thing

[@g0th3artz]

​@@xBugx666xit's not that crazy at all. It shows that he's consistent I'm his anatomy errors.. which is.. natural for artists!

[@Analou13]

@@xBugx666xits lowkey not i tend to avoid hands but something i really focus on in my art is hair and i can sometimes not notice a mistake until im done but i still leave it id suppose theyd do the same

[@banefury]

artists.. lets start charging additional fees for livestreaming commissions 😂

[@K.L.-]

We totally should though 😅

[@Sketchnificent]

I already charge people to read their messages if I have to jump on livestream and prove I’m not using A.I that’s $2,200. I had people wanting me to show my face on stream that’s extra $1,000

[@ChariTheAlternate]

27:13 Okay, as someone who hates being accused of something, I'd despise having to 'prove myself' for doing nothing worng , to me, it'd be like a personal attack on what you stand for due to art being a form of expression, and how you express things to be ridiculed to such a level, would be the equivalent of accusing a banker of fraud

[@damntae6540]

Exactly. Recently I made a poster for English class. He said you could draw it or make it digitally. I was the only one who choose to do digital since I have been doing traditional for every project and wanted to try something new. Every class he showed it to had people accusing me of ai. Made me wish I never even tried to make anything at all.

[@ChocolateShaddixX]

In another comment someone wrote: "Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest." And yeah, I think it's crazy to demand all of that, to prove we draw our own stuff. I know we live in a difficult time with AI, but it seems unfair that real artists have to put in even MORE effort to prove themselves, while AI bros just press buttons, not caring about the art community at all. I think this much proof could be demanded in art competitions where you can win prizes and for higher priced commission work. But every single image I draw for fun? That just seems rude and overkill.

[@sirkana]

But she did do something wrong, she ghosted the company for almost 2 months when contacted privately. Extremely suspicious behaviour for no reason. She also admitted not doing the backgrounds themselves.

[@caravep]

This is an incredibly naive metaphor, according to the fdic insider fraud has accounted for over one-half of all bank fraud and embezzlement cases closed by the FBI during the past several years. If you google “how common is internal bank fraud” it’ll be one of the first things to pop up. In regard to the accused artist, I can understand why you would sympathize with their situation as a person who hates to prove themselves, but it’s important to keep in mind that the artist in question is someone who was doing art professionally. They might not have any obligation to prove that they don’t use ai to their audience but there is a certain level of responsibility in ensuring that your clients don’t feel like your work is fraudulent. I don’t say this to disparage your own sentiments but in the age of AI a client asking the artist they hired to validate the authenticity of their work seems like a reasonable expectation. If anything it’s a much more reasonable business practice than to just blindly accept any work an artist gives you without giving any consideration towards its authenticity in order to avoid hurting anybody’s feelings. With that being said , I don’t think the way Iced Tea Aesthetics handled the situation publicly is exempt from criticism but that’s an entirely different conversation.

[@triggerfairy4070]

​@@sirkanaId ghost them for a year if they do that to me.

[@aruvius]

the audacity to say you confidently think an artist is using AI but also not having any proof in the same post...... I'm glad it worked out for Zuyu, but if I were him I wouldn't let them use my art anymore💀

[@Dragmiredraws]

I’d be so mad! Defamation is a thing! And especially using a buzzword like “Ai”, I’d definitely go after it. They said it was about something, but I imagine it was probably some burned intern or something. Reputational damage NEVER goes away because the internet never forgets

[@lectersdog]

☆ i think people forget sometimes people dont try to even out their learning when it comes to art ☆ some people will pour EVERYTHING into learning to render in the way they want n then the anatomy / compositions / background wont match the skill level of the rendering just bc they havent rounded out their skills yet

[@devichi4108]

1500$ for ruined reputation is insulting...The whole streamed test thing sounded demeaning. :/

[@blue_twitch___5371]

ofc its a clothing brand 💀

[@damntae6540]

Ofc. I give up on those types of clothing brands cuz they either steal every drawing or they all use ai anime girls now. Had to unfollow one who switched to ai trash recently

[@beelzebub4809]

I’ve been accused of using Ai many times because of how messy my lines are. Someone even tried to find something to accuse my of saying that certain lines don’t make sense. Ai “art” is really damaging and more proof of that keep surfacing whether it’s someone accusing someone of Ai, someone selling ai and claiming it’s theirs or someone getting their art stolen by ai (which also has happened to me). Like seriously, people are saying “ai is a great tool and yada yada” but what is it helping? And it’s very ironic that a brand/company is accusing someone else of ai when many companies nowadays would rather use Ai instead of paying an artist. Edit: This was such a good ending I almost cried 😭🙏 Good for both of them.

[@crossanddream2]

Its sad zuyu was put through this situation over some non-artist having no clue what there talking about. Its absolutely ridiculous someomes life was basically ruin over someone that had no clue what they were talking about. I hope zuyu is doing okay after everything they've been put through Im also surprised how nice zuyu was towards ice tea... I wouldn't have wrote such a nice comment, I'd definitely be suing and telling ice tea to fk off. I do hope ice tea does reivce some sort of karma. Its ridiculous ice tea made this public to begin with

[@ilovecookingmama]

To be honest, the clothing brand isn't really the one to blame since they did get a lot of people telling them how it was ai. They're not an artist and obviously having more than multiple ppl telling you the art is ai, you would get suspicious of it. Also they owned up to their mistakes of accusing zuyu to use ai and compensating for the damages caused. This is something you don't see too often and it's great to see both the artist and the brand came into good terms. I do this it's sad to see just how much ai is becoming a cause of ruining peoples' rep. Like before it was about how having smooth artstyle is ai and now people with rough artstyle too.

[@elitefdc2171]

not AI. just stupid keyboard warrior. i bet they deleted their tweet and pretending to be dumb

[@MakkyMaks]

I honestly don’t understand hate for either side. He seems like a messy artist (nothing wrong with it) and for Tea’s side they have a bunch of other artists saying it’s AI and Tea is not an artist so they are probably leaning towards all these people who are saying stuff..especially since they have a store they want to do everything they can to make sure that it is not AI. Honestly I thought Tea was very respectful when talking with Him. And you can see what could potentially be AI In his art or it could just be errors from really looking into the art.

[@Biggiecheese20]

When people say Generative art isn't harmful to artists... Then you hear more and more stories like this. Shit, people even falsely accuse the real deal in comments.

[@mysteriousastrolabe]

Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. 🧏🏾‍♀️

[@moirasandwich785]

@@mysteriousastrolabe shouldnt have to do that.

[@mysteriousastrolabe]

@@moirasandwich785 You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest. 🧏🏾‍♀️

[@maxnami]

Problem are "Artist" that accusse without a real proof and the envy as a motivation. "look this supicious art that is better than me... is AI". In the end Money is the real motivation... How many times the accusser is just the competence of the artist accused ? Before launching a "thread" they must stop and think... "This really worth it?"

[@stealthbrandon]

Ironic it won't be generative AI that destroy artist ,but ultimately other artist attacking each other and own personal ego . AI just become a new weapon for other artist to attack other artist for there own personal tiktok beefs .

[@seraph1690]

Ive been telling a lot of people that hands are not indicative of AI, ive seen so many artists just not drawing hands correctly, be it lazyness, cuz it wasnt the focus of the work or because they decided they didnt want correct hands but they didnt want to resort to hiding them... suddenly everyon is an art critique, but really they dont know what they are doing, and it is baffling to see a lot of people just sending them to "AI jail" just because they did that artistic decision

[@feyrune3205]

I think Zuyu just has a very messy artstyle. He seems like a beginner artist to me, since he really does have a LOT of mistakes in his pieces. He can render skin and clothes prettyy good, but besides that, you cn really see how hard it is for him to draw the poses he looks up on pinterest. Props to him, he doesn't trace the poses since many things on them are off, like weird looking hands, ears always messed up and other stuff, but yeh.. As an artist, his artworks look odd to me but it is just his weird artstyle. He will be a good artist in a year or so, until then he really needs to practice drawing more freely^^

[@Konigsspermaschlamp]

This seems weirdly backhanded..

[@makeritualnoise]

this is exactly what i was thinking. i admittedly haven't finished the video but there's things that, looking at the 'evidence' i can see where the messy line art can make it look really weird because it's not defined as much. what looks like a 'second zipper' on the misato piece looks like a belt that's just poorly outlined. on the minami piece i think he was going for his hand pulling away from the cigarette, or moving towards it, rather than it trying to actually grab something that wasn't there. it seems like a case of where they roughly sketch the piece then forget exactly what it was they were trying to go for when they go to render, which is def something i can understand. also seems like they put the cart before the horse learning to render so well but then not learning the basics of anatomy and clothing folds, which then leads to things like this were things look weird a janky but the rest of it looks so good that it must be something else when it's... not. if they put in a ton of work on learning anatomy and how cloth drapes, they would be an absolutley stellar artist.

[@DeviBuster]

Yeah a lot of these “ai signifiers” are just mistakes a beginner, or even just a hobbyist who hasn’t been to art school, would make.

[@LucariosTrainer]

i was blessed with the ability to draw quite decently from references as a kid, and i kept doing that for like 3 years until i decided i wanted to draw original stuff without references, and i basically had to start from zero, because drawing from reference, and understanding how to draw original concepts from your head are two difference practices. and if they wanted to start now, it would likely be such a drastic change in quality, which wouldn't sit well on social media, so they might feel kinda chained to using references if they want to keep up with quality of what they do. i'd advise them to at least do more independent studies on clothing and smaller details tho, to support the work they do with references

[@eliteunicorns]

30:29 Do people really and truely draw without using ANY references? Drawing without using references is basically just a crappy party trick. I think people are too damn touchy about using references...how the heck am I supposed to draw from memory??? That's...stupid. ~ People need to start talking to people they're having INTERPRERSONAL issues with. Not everything needs to be a callout. Iced Tea claims they did but it sounds like BS. $1500 is not enough. Fuck this brand ngl.

[@BubbleTea033]

I think one of my big concerns is the way the other artists commented on Zuyu's work. Now, I agree that there is a typical process of learning anything, because we're human and our methods of learning aren't that varied. But, I think it's a grim day for artists the moment artists start speaking for all other artists. I thought that learning your own way was something that was supposed to be celebrated? Reading between the lines, it sounds like unless you come from a traditional art background, you will inevitably be accused of using AI. And you what? I'd actually say that Zuyu did use AI-generated references, but who cares? It doesn't sound like they generated any themselves -- it's just that if you search for anything now on Google, half the results are AI. That's not a problem they should be tasked to solve, that's on Google.

[@RoB-nc5ns]

The thing that bothers me is why didn’t zuyu provide those evidence earlier when the company requested them privately? I know they provided a final sketch but that wasn’t enough and they requested more proof, and instead of giving them more proof/timelapses/earlier sketches zuyu decided to ghost them FOR A MONTH AND A HALF. Like i don’t blame the company for writing that whole thread because they gave him a chance to prove his innocence privately and instead he decided to ghost so of course they would be suspicious. Also like u said in the video he is really good at drawing hands especially in the yuta one his hands are really detailed and the line art is clean, so why was the maki one weird? Especially since it’s a commission i would think that he would spend a little more time and effort to make sure it looks great. Idk i really hate that artist have to prove that they draw their own stuff and i really feel bad for zuyu but in his case he could have avoided all of that damage if he just provided evidence instead of ghosting for a month and a half.

[@Sandra8675SecondLife]

Sorry but No... NOooooo... Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never ever posted & accused an artist on a public social media site. Wtf is wrong with people? How dare Iced Tea Aesthetics try to force the artist to 'prove' their work is really hand drawn. The artist is young & new & was under no obligation to comment on this accusation. And damn it Iced Tea Aesthetics actually thinks things are cool now like he did the right thing... For the artist... The IPad & the apology is not enough! Not even close! Do not work for people like this, not for 1 million dollars. Do not accept any gifts because it means the deal is done & u accept the terms of the accusation & the accusation outcome. Make a point of sending that IPad back. i would even send back any money mixed in with this art commission & make them pull every piece in question out of production. You do not have to work with people like this. i feel so bad for the artist.

[@sirkana]

Ghosted the company when contacted privately, what else were they supposed to do? Take them to court?

[@ankilearning]

Iced tea was incredibly civilized and nice in this tbh. He tried contacting Zuyu privately to solve the situation multiple times only to get ghosted. What should he have done otherwise? Just accept that he got scammed out of more than a 1000 usd, move on and let a potential fraud continue scamming others?

[@K.L.-]

I’m a beginner artist and idk… I’m bad at hands too, but never in a way where whole fingers are missing or just bizarre nonsense poses like in his accused pictures. Also he’s done hands fine before… so why are they so messed up suddenly. And all the little weird details on the collared shirt that don’t make sense are super sus. I don’t doubt he has skills but I think he did use AI sometimes to expedite the process, especially as someone who has traced work. As a slow artist myself, I can see the temptation and why some would use AI under pressure to produce results, especially if you’re being paid and have deadlines. Live-streaming evidence is not hard if you can do it but resorted to AI previously to speed up the process. It’s all very sus to me. And honestly, I feel like he got away with it.

[@clementinetea252]

It’s tricky. I think the default accusation is that an artwork is entirely AI generated, when it’s entirely possible that even if a piece is handmade, AI was either used as reference or traced. You should always use reference when you don’t understand something, but it is unfortunately becoming common to reference AI art as a means to cut corners. And from the wording of the artist’s apology, it sounds like that’s what they were doing. Hopefully it’s an important teaching moment for them.

[@girlsensation]

imo sometimes AI references may be out of the artist's control since that depends on the place they're looking their references for. On Pinterest there's loads of AI-generated stuff that are starting to look like real human art, and the artist may have used them unintentionally. That being said, it's really hard to analyze whether art today is made by AI or not. I think the best references for artists right now are REAL pictures rather than art for now, since those are photographed and are easier to analyze whether it's AI generated or not (usually AI "photographs" are very very smooth with less noise)

[@FlamaSeb]

sooo they thought he was using ai because of the drawing style ? so goofy , and biggest waste of time, woulda sued for defamation on sight

[@aeoeoeo1434]

this community is getting crazy, artists are hurting themselves more than AI could ever dream of

[@carziecat]

Kat, girl you need to stop going "it's as easy as streaming" some people have severe anxiety, a lot of them are artists, also not everyone can afford hardware and bandwidths that would allow streaming like that. A lot of artists are not in the first world and you're pushing the notion that people are allowed t make all manner of entitled demands towards artists. People look to you because you're a larger creator, you have to do better than this

[@foogiegoogie8400]

it's possible to stream without any difficult hardware/software, just a silent filming of the screen, there's no need to talk with audience at all.

[@throwaway6777]

I have to say, the “mistakes” here do look eerily similar to the ones AI tend to make. The ones that were most concerning to me were Nanami’s shirt, Tifa’s hair, and the skull “teeth” seeming to merge with/appear on a different element of the piece. If you show me these pieces and asked me if they’re AI, I would say “yes” without a doubt. The other scenario is that the artist is just being human and making mistakes. It is possible to overlook inconsistencies and not notice mistakes until the pieces have been shared to the world. As the artist mentioned themselves, they don’t aim for perfection when making these. With that said, based on what I have seen on this video alone, I don’t think I’m crazy for thinking that the artist still hasn’t been completely honest despite everything that happened. If an AI program was not used, then an AI piece has definitely been referenced.

[@SomeSilentSerpent]

Give up, lil bro. They admitted he proved on stream he didn't use AI. Let it go and let the guy live in peace.

[@K.L.-]

@@SomeSilentSerpentyou can prove you don’t use AI but it doesn’t mean you didn’t before. That’s the point. A good artist can fake proof but it doesn’t mean under pressure to produce, they didn’t resort to AI to make their work much faster. He admitted his process is really slow, which adds more to the idea that he used AI to make things faster. Could he have done it without AI? Of course. Did he? I highly doubt it. Not to mention the fact that he blatantly traced art and posted it, which makes profit, which means you’re making profit off of copied concept and art. So he’s not a stranger to art theft. The evidence speaks for itself. He took a shortcut and got caught. And then got paid for it. He won. Take a mental break, come back in a month, all’s forgotten.

[@ritam2802]

I don't think it's necessarily ai, but didn't someone in the og Twitter post show proof that Zuyu has traced their art from other artists? This would also explain their messy lineart and nonsensical design elements (things melting into eachother etc).

[@brausthesunbringer]

About Nanami's jacket - many jackets like this have straps on the back that allow u to wear it like backpack or only on one shoulder and not drop the jacket on the ground, Al'haitham wears his the same way And about Misato's jacket, it just has douple lining, many 2000 jackets had those

[@who2449]

Sadly, just because someone can draw without AI assistance doesn't mean they always do... Some of Zuyu's works look human made while others look AI-assisted (not fully AI generated), so it's difficult to give a definitive answer. Hopefully Zuyu will publish more speedpaints than one.

[@g0th3artz]

None of them look like they're ai, I'm going to be so real right now.

[@blairfujin]

@@g0th3artz not fully generated but there are fragments that do seem to be based off ai-generated reference (though some of those spots may be just a result of trying to trace over a really low res reference photo...)

[@irisouyart]

27:19 just because you can do live streaming of your drawing process and find it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone can. I personally would hate that as my drawing process is slow and messy. I also don’t draw at a table (I like drawing on my sofa, bed etc wherever I get inspiration) and being restricted to draw under a camera messes my ability to draw because I stress. So I record my painting process from start to finish but never my drawing process. Granted that I am mostly a traditional artist but the point remains: things that are easy for some might not be easy for others and that doesn’t mean they don’t draw things themselves.

[@JemaCyan.22222]

Look up "Vintage jackets with double zippers." From what I remember, that anime is old. They possibly looked up 90s jackets and fashion. Also that's Nanami's harness.

[@axelwarriorvs]

Yeahhh, I mean... It's cool that they made an art piece all on their own and recorded it, but... It doesn't share any of the issues that people were pointing at in the first place? Not sure why everyone is immediately dismissing all accusations based on this - they still might have used AI for the other artworks (and to me, it still looks like they did, because the new art does not look like AI at all). Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.

[@yesseniafigueroa460]

This is what happens when artist hyper-focus on the wrong things with their channels. And don't get me wrong, I like this channel but... its tiresome to see this sort of content. Educate me on what I should be looking in art. I like to believe I have a good grasp on how to identify these things having worked with several artists but not everyone has. The best artists can do is educate. Now, as an author who goes through the trouble of creating my craft I know there's plenty of people who use AI to generate novels. I work hard in refining my stories and grow as an author. AI generate novels shows 100%. Do I want to waste my time witch hunting them? No! Why?! Because I don't want to waste my time with that. I rather create and educate.

[@WhileShayeh]

Ignoring everything, it's kinda weird the brand wanted a "sexy" art piece of a 16 yr old, Maki.

[@SharkyMan419]

The artist is fairly good at doing colour/lighting/shading. while I like their line work, they should do a little more focus on it to get better at what they are doing. people need to stop jumping Stright to AI for everything

[@KimPossibleShockwave]

Accusations are damaging regardless of innocence and guilt. The court of public opinion is cruel and based on the premise that you're guilty than innocent until proven guilty. Even if undeniable proof exonerates you, the stigma remains.

[@scarlett469]

The company asked look for ai to the other artists, so they looked for ai. Saying sketchy/ scratchy lines is ai and tracing, I ffucking do that I draw in scratches am I tracing?

[@Iwannarox]

Idk. Maybe taking time to tear apart minor details like wrong style of guns, finger poses near a cigarette, skull teeth etc just encourages people to assume everything is AI and tear other people's down without considering other possibilities (like not knowing the character or just coincidentally lining things up weirdly or making simple mistakes or pose choices that other people wouldn't have done). Like. That attitude just leads to us tearing each other down and making accusations and possible destroying people's confidence or will to create...

[@Iwannarox]

And the $500 to do some bullshit test is rude af, even if they have suspicions. Those terms are nonsense and shouldn't have been some public accusation crap. I don't care if I CAN do something, I would be so upset and offended if someone tried to force me to dance like a freaking monkey for their pleasure especially when the brand isn't an artist so... How can they judge it?

[@shallmow]

The minute i saw very long giraffe neck from that perspective it was hard for me to think that it's actually AI.

[@DDeath-Moth]

I honestly think the person uses ai as reference, just bc they were able to draw before using it they can just reverse engineer or have the ai reference aside when doing a timelapse. The way they render looks how ai generates rendering.

[@Mimi-li2ll]

Ok but who the hell knows a damn a about gun like I can search up gun and would use the right picture I see unless u ask for a specific gun type no normal person without any knowledge of guns would know what gun it is and most artist (including me) will use a gun photo that’s what they want for reference I’m not sorry for saying this and a lot of the “evidence” could just be a normal artist mistake like I make something and I don’t think the clothing is right so I make two layers or more layers of the same thing to see what fits the best and maybe the artist forgot to remove the layers 14:58 and this can be explained that the reason could be that it was just hiding behind his waist and the other side could be like tipping off his shoulder so that’s maybe why 16:00 this is just making me mad that’s not ai that’s a nipple or a boob that’s a boob not ai a normal person would make this it’s not a mistake or ai and the color why are we even talking about that it’s so stupid a normal person would idk make a nun like a NUN that’s the colors they use for nuns and there is not five fingers that’s just a normal hand pose and shadows of white colors are GRAY so it’s just stupid

[@emilyweston460]

This is not in defense of either side, rather simply addressing the 'who knows a damn about a gun,' argument. Bestie, that's like saying you're going to join a sports team because the players look cool but you don't give a damn about the rules of the game. In a professional setting such as the one presented in the video, learning how to study and research about things you aren't familiar with is literally part of the job of being an artist, writer, actor, etc. (Although, it is a hugely beneficial skill for hobbyists to develop as well).

[@Mimi-li2ll]

@@emilyweston460 no I get that but most artist don’t just have a lot or even little knowledge on guns like I would like to draw a gun but I’m not interested enough to do a full research on guns but tho the artist is getting paid for it she should have done more research but most likely they just looked up and image and just used the first one they saw was right

[@bananatim178]

@@Mimi-li2ll In this instance, with Misato specifically, her gun is pretty iconic as a part of her character. I feel like they would've seen it in reference images of her? Some of the first few images that appeared when I looked up "misato evangelion" showcase her gun, so I'm just a bit confused how the artist could've missed that. It seems a bit shady to me still is all

[@Mimi-li2ll]

@@bananatim178 I’m guessing misato is the character the6 draw ngl if that’s what it is then that’s a bit sus

[@blairfujin]

@@bananatim178 eh, when I google her hardly any images have gun in it and those that do are mostly fanarts and if you're not a gun person, you may just go, ok, she's holding a gun, a small one... ok, let's look for a reference pic that fits my pose

[@gardana6]

Im glad they paid the artist back. I knwo they tried to be a good brand, not selling ai trash but they should do it PRIVATELY.

[@akabaneaki]

Im confused about one thing. if its a commission, cant iced tea ask zuyu to redo some mistakes found on the art? I know past a certain point of the art process its hard to go back and redo some mistakes but if the mistakes is as huge as that hand being just 3 fingers, i think iced tea should be allowed to go back to zuyu even after the art is finished and ppl pointed out the weird hand and weird sword parts, and zuyu should be able to only correct those part even if they have to redraw over, recolor over and such cus its zuyu's fault for the mistakes. THIS IS A COMMISSION. COMMERCIAL COMMISSION so it's double the price, so iced tea should be allowed those major mistake correction isn't it? I understand that iced tea is not a artist so mistakes like this would fly over their head, but with ppl buying their items, they found out about it, and told iced tea about it, why can't iced tea go to zuyu and ask them to recorrect those parts. Like i stated, their mistakes are BIG. And its hard to redo those parts after rendering process but iced tea should still be allowed those corrections.

[@leonsshi]

nah, i still think that he still traces or heavily references ai. i can definitely see it, esp with his very stiff sketches.

[@Heliosion]

for the nanami piece, a lot of people draw his suspenders go around the shoulder and under the armpit creating a kind of bondage look. i've seen a lot of artists sexify his suspenders because it crosses in the back or something. just something to note

[@PastelPixie99]

They are gun holsters

[@daemonjpeg]

i take such issue with these artists dog piling on zuyu. its people like these who are going to drive beginner / inexperienced / anxious artists off the internet as a whole. being critical and looking out for ai is important in this space but the ai witch hunts causing innocent artists to lose their platforms are getting out of hand.

[@ariannaandiris7141]

As an artist who is highly skilled in damn near realistic rendering style , my lines art sketchy Rendering has always been something im the most skilled in, not line work So to see someone getting accused of ai because of their sketchy lines is just heartbreaking Sad to see tbh

[@K.L.-]

But what about 3 fingered hands? Clothing with nonsensical details? The sketch lines being brought up first, I also thought was nothing, style preference. But the hands? No way, a good artist who can draw anatomically correct hands consistently would never look at those and let it pass through as paid commission pieces, unless they were in a huge rush to begin with. Which I suspect is why they resorted to AI. Speeds up the process extremely.

[@TsukihimeUsagi]

Not me getting an ad to “✨improve your app with generative ai✨” 😭😭😭😭😭

[@demondeity9816]

I will say that some of the stuff look a bit sus.

[@KuroJesterheaD]

Im pretty sure they do use AI, she didnt show the rest of their art, but all of it looks hella sus, and as someone that follows a lot of artists, he has also a lot of inspired or referenced art from others, like, usual viral art on twitter gets redrawed by him. He has the skills for sure, I think its just a thing of lazy creativity, looks for the pose and copy it

[@platinumt3425]

Zuyu 100% used/implemented AI or at least studied its coloring style.

[@YumikoChan-yl3gf]

Kat can you please make a video on how to grow on twitter please! I have been striggling so much in that platform specifically!

[@ankilearning]

this ending feels a bit weird to me still tho.. in the first 2 threads iced provided so much evidence pointing out the suspicious parts of zuyu's art (which was very convincing for the most part in my opinion), but then in the final thread iced provides 0 evidence to disprove all the accusations? It feels very weird to me. You could say that the timelapse is evidence enough, but I thought the timelapse was very suspicious too. The part that iced and those other artists was suspecting zuyu the most of was traced lineart. And the way zuyu started that piece was very unnatural to me. He just got right into it as if he's tracing. No propotions to start it off, no sketching, he just gets right into it starting from the ear. Some artists can work like this sure, but Zuyu just gets right into it and makes pretty much 0 adjustments. This is absolutely not a normal way of working ESPECIALLY when you didn't put proportions into place first. I think this might also explain why the timelapse video starts from an angle away from the screen. There could be a low opacity line under it (that he can trace over) that we can't see because of the camera angle. He also doesn't share the layers. I don't know, this whole situation just feels super odd to me. Iced had the whole list of things zuyu had to do to prove himself with a livestream (offering 1500 usd for it). Zuyu didn't do this and just made his own timelapse, but it still got accepted as proper evidence? I'm so confused.

[@lauracrqll9148]

Yeah there’s definitely still some things that bugs me, like the double jacket zipper, the hair thing etc that literally have no logic. I also find the Timelapse quite strange like you said. Not sure what to think about all that …

[@loyard1167]

Zuyu did do the livestream with Iced, that's why Iced retracted their statement. Just that it was a private livestream.

[@ankilearning]

@@loyard1167 nope, this livestream never happened.

[@RoB-nc5ns]

YES EXACTLY iced tea provided a lot of evidence that zuyu might be using ai but what did zuyu do to prove he didn’t use ai?

[@loyard1167]

IcedTea said in their apology thread that Zuyu did a livestream with them. I don't see why the accuser would lie.

[@TheB33WithKnees]

Is the livestream anywhere to be watched or was it only between the artist and the company?

[@ambre2228]

i'm still skeptical tbh, as an artist, i can tell the drawing they provided as proof is suspicious asf, the face and left part of the body have a wrong percpective. It's also very weird to record a process the way they did, and it proved nothing too. Also as a profetional artist, the amount of mistakes there is unacceptable imo, i've done comission before and i would NEVER dare to not check if the drawing is good enough before sending it, espacially if people are paying over 100$. I understand making mistakes as one draw, but at some point this is your job?? People are paying huge amount of money, you can't just like " i want to be done with it, so i'm gonna do a "cheap trick"". I don't think they are using 100% ai but it's definitly part of their process as well as tracing is. sorry for any mistakes, english is not my first language

[@dogkun20]

:P i know what happened here, the artist thought he could use trained AI with his style to post, and thishappened, i mean, the artists is real, but recent artworks nope, i saw this from paroro and other artists too, they trained the AI with their style and dropping AI shit and since is their style people wont notice lol

[@ukuotuscoffinowl]

So many uncanny valley bloopers that no artist probalby wouldn't do. Artist probablly added Nanami a under arm holster, though I still would have questions like it would probably have more straps than that.

[@lmSheep]

"To me his art doesn't look like AI" comments: You guys definitely did NOT watch the full video LOL. Do you see the drawing at 13:00? At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.

[@usagiiakihiko]

Artist: Makes human mistakes due to rush (potentially), stylized choices etc... The internet: AI!!!!

[@Bev4Drawing]

I do not understand how sketchy line art means AI. That makes absolutely no sense. Also sidenote: are we expecting artists now to be perfect with every piece of artwork? I understand he has a high level of skill but now he can't even make one small mistake. Imagine how stressful this is going to be for him to even make art and put it out there now. Even the best artist don't render everything perfectly. Yikes this is horrible!

[@NomCherry]

From what I understood (while multitasking and listening) it wasn't the brand who first assumed it's AI art, but it was constant murmur from the sidelines/customers/artists etc when the art was shared? The brand tried to address it out in a civil manner(But did it warrant a whole public thread with the art or not? Were private communications not going well? Whats with that?) The first post/s? got traction but it doesn't mean everyone who saw it even cared about it which is why the second post didn't get traction but it's good it exists if anyone from the first post ever comes back to the artist. In the end I hope everyones conscience is clear over how they handle a situation where someones authenticity is being doubted & how they do their art. Honestly it still does look AI-pulled to me but I know my opinion shouldn't and doesn't matter if the artist has supposedly proven themselves. I'll just move on too. I'm just here to listen to some random stuff and not have a strong opinion on some things.

[@duckswangoose]

Not knowing how to draw hands being an art crime is pretty insane. AI in my mind, feels like the smoothening and common sense that makes a case. I didn't even know the character, I thought they would've had 3 fingers and a thumb hiding behind the hilt in the first picture.

[@steelclackers2611]

I think this channel is one of factors that adds in in people's paranoia. Because people don't realise that AI is trained on artists works and it tends to copy mistakes as well. Personally I think I'll stop indulging in this kind of drama even in video form. Seeing others taking someone's work apart and pointing out all they consider is wrong with it leaves a bad taste in my mouth after all.

[@misiyami]

i'm still kinda skeptical about this

[@jenlou2880]

13:56 as someone who has smoked, a little hint: you don't hold the cigarette with your fingers all the time. sometimes you just hold it in your mouth like nanami in this drawing. often to look more “relaxed ” but i still get what you mean, even if it shopuld look "more relaxed" why align the fingers with the jacket.

[@JemaCyan.22222]

I'm sorry but I feel the characters original outfits should be looked up before critiquing the art. There's pieces in the art and possibly deformitys possibly missed without background of the characters because the artist probably used more than just the references than what the commissioner sent.

[@lifeofrubii]

I get how the hand would look awkward, but the index finger and thumb could be the ones supporting the handle of the sword. Like the index finger is extended to support the handle, same as the thumb. Also a lot of artist use their first initial sketch, then build on it and then clean up their lines - it's a art style a lot of my faves use.

[@AchromaticChameleon]

some these accusations can be very worrying for artists who still struggle to draw hands.

[@aquaticalateralis]

The fact that I could be accused of tracing or using ai because I just clean up my sketch to use as my lineart is... very disheartening man.

[@cerisemin]

Beginner artists , all you have to do is get accused of using ai and then get a big paycheck and a free iPad 😅

[@PoffupaimaVT]

i saw this on twitter shit was sad wanted to say: i hate that just having messy lineart makes people accuse others of ai. i LOVE that look for art it's insane that no one can just make art and be happy

[@lolkthnxbai]

It's ridiculous, I sometimes do really scratchy line art when using a subject or reference just so I can get a real quick basic shape to build from. It's a habit I have from back when I started with traditional paper.

[@MajorWish]

YES omg I immediately got offended that people said that and I don't even draw like that lmao. I have ridiculously clean lineart cause I'm way too perfectionistic, but I absolutely adore messier lineart. That lineart style in those images looked like a choice, it fit the pieces so well. Whether or not it's traced or ai doesn't take away from the fact that the lineart being messy isn't the indicator of that being the case. Plenty of AI has pretty clean looking lines, and I'm sure plenty of tracers are capable of cleaning things up on their own. Messier lines look gorgeous and gives certain styles so much life and energy imo.

[@aquaticalateralis]

Fr- I take a long time to do art so most of the time I just clean up my sketch to the best of my ability.

[@mikuumelody]

no because this case worries me THATS LITERALLY MY LINEART. INTENTIONALLY. DO PEOPLE THINK IM USING AI?? HECK..

[@endo4682]

That looks like stuff AI would spit out. Everyone sucks here

[@ChariTheAlternate]

5:27 I'd like to state that as someone who hates going over my work, I'd understand fully

[@minime1814]

They may not have used ai to create but they may have studied with ai images not knowing they’re ai

[@K000H]

I do think it looks like this artist is relying a bit on ai art, but what i don't understand is, if they can draw, why aren't they just redrawing what the ai spits out instead of drawing over? When you redraw something you have to actually think about what you're drawing which helps against making mistakes, while when you trace or paint over you don't think as much and mistakes are missed. If they had redrawn the pieces i think the presumed ai mistakes wouldn't be there, however they chose to take the short cut for some reason and neglect happened, so to speak. As an artist myself i just find it weird. Most of us go looking for references on pinterest and such all the time for something to draw and try to mix up different pieces to make it our own in our own style. It's the same with the dtiys challenge. People don't just draw over it in their own style. They redraw it fully. Why aren't artist who can draw, drawing from scratch, when that's a very good solution? Why are they painting over? Time saving? Cause i'd very much say it isn't worth it.

[@floofzykitty5072]

"AI's mess up hands!" Ah, yes, hands, which are famously easy to draw for real artists.

[@mads2486]

I think that artists should start keeping their references in folders , just in case things like this happens. ‘ Hey, why did you draw this thing so weirdly? ‘ ‘ idk man here’s the reference ‘ ; things would be solved so much quicker lmao if he ends up using procreate, atleast he may be able to use the timelapse feature should this ever happen again

[@KryaDiere]

The lineart thing is absolute bs (I hate lining so I always clean up my sketch) so I never put that in mind. The hands and the gun were a stretch imo. Idk shit about guns and that's how I'd probably draw a gun. BUT some of those clothing mistakes are realllllllllly unnatural tho. As an artist, I don't think you'd call it a "skill issue" to draw 2 jacket zippers or two collars cos who does that...? Even like 10 years ago when I was a dumb kid I never drew 2 jacket flaps or 2 collars or whatever that thing sticking out her back was at 25:30. Clothes are things we wear and touch and see daily and to make non-common sensical mistakes is the weirdest to me. They might not be tracing but I feel like they're referencing AI images instead of real photos and just copying whatever "looks cool". They clearly have a lot of rendering skill so they might wanna start looking for better references. Though I also do get it; you literally can't search for anything without fake AI images showing up these days and it's getting harder and harder to find real references. Just my opinion. I'm glad they sorted it out, though no amount of money can repair reputational damages. This is like a clean case of defamation (accusation, loss of reputation and financial damages etc) if ZY ever wants to sue :x Just sayin....

[@ankilearning]

agree on the gun thing. but at the same time, I find it weird how the gun perspective completely changed after he was asked to change it. It looks copy pasted in in the final.

[@dariel_dibuja]

did no one noticed that in 8:25, the girl IS LITERALLY GRABBING THE SWORD BY THE FKN BLADE?!

[@chocolaissleeping]

Shes holding the dull part

[@sirkana]

Ever held a knife buddy? You don't cut yourself by holding it's sides. You can also literally grab a sword by its side and fight like that, it's called half-swording

[@dariel_dibuja]

@@chocolaissleeping uh, not the dull part, her fingers are literally on the BLADE, the SHARP PART.

[@dariel_dibuja]

@@sirkana i didn't referred to the blade itself. I was referring to the fact that she's holding the sharp part, the part that cuts.

[@Dion-he7jc]

​@@dariel_dibuja u dont cut urself by jus holding that part

[@Karma20XX]

14:27 The suspender is drawn sorta like a gun holster???

[@SharkyMan419]

because it is a gun holster not suspenders

[@sirkana]

@@SharkyMan419 It is suspenders, but it doesn't go in the front, it crosses in an X in the back.

[@EmpressChu]

I'll be so for real as someone who is starting to learn how to do art, this is making me not want to. I think I'll leave that want alone, because I have huge anxiety, i couldn't imagine someone forcing me to prove myself over a live stream taking me out of my comfort zone

[@khoi101]

hey dont worry about it! you dont have to post your drawings or show them to the internet, you can just share inbetween friends (something that i have been doing with others for a while). just draw what you want for yourself and make it a personal goal :)

[@ImpactronGaming]

Good ending unlocked

[@LuneTea]

So what if the lineart doesn’t match the rendering? It doesn’t mean they traced /traced ai bc I personally love messy lineart regardless of how the rendering is. Honestly if I end up needing to prove my art to anybody Im cutting them off right after ✌🏻

[@LuneTea]

Also I think people calling themselves artists and not understanding something in a creative perspective is WILD. The nanami piece you can tell he is reaching for the cig, not holding it and Ive seen many designs were you can see the other side of the jacket thing and its not on the arm itself. Idk how this is a throw off when its quite easy to tell but ight boo

[@mustanggox]

the thing is I kinda get what they're saying? It's clearly not AI, it's drawn/painted, but it has common AI landmarks that lead me to believe strongly the artist at least heavily referenced AI. It's totally wrong to ruin someone's public reputation because of this accusation, they should've handled it privately. But I don't blame them for thinking it has an AI look to it, things like the hair and inconsistent design elements indicate that the artist likely prompts themselves then copies from the AI, which is why it has an AI "vibe" but a hand-drawn appearance. Edit: Looking more at the art I'm actually certain this artist references AI closely.

[@twotruckslyrics]

always add ‘before:2022’ to your search for anatomy references imo ☹️

[@Astrocritical]

I'm actually super convinced some of the pieces are definitely AI in some form. I think they're skilled enough to be able to draw pieces on live, but are using AI to make pieces go quickly. That hair piece and the fingers and the two zipper coat, its way too consistently flawed. I hate being an accuser, but just because the company settled with them, I'm very unconvinced. Nothing to do with the sketchy lines to me.

[@phryos6541]

​@@Astrocritical I don't think it's ai in of itself, i think zuyu likes the shading style in that one specific ai style, i see it often- maybe he even puts his drafts in ai generators and then goes back to the og draft and shade it while referencing the ai result.. can't be sure, doesn't warrant all the harassment he's getting though.

[@mustanggox]

@@Astrocritical that’s also a possibility. I’m glad i’m not alone thinking this because it feels so mean accusing another artist 😭 but if it’s true it’s true.

[@mustanggox]

​@@phryos6541 also I know artists shouldn't have to "prove" themselves but notice how all of this could be disproven if they just go live and draw?? no hate to zuyu at all, but if i were them id just provide proof and not just insist that I'm innocent through text. if the closest thing we have to a solution is right there in front of us why do we dance around it? 😭

[@Skw1p-0]

15:08, Nanami doesn’t wear suspenders, it’s a holster for his weapon, which is why you don’t see it attaching to his pants. The fingers separate from the cigarette make sense because he isn’t holding it, it’s an image of him either having released the cigarette or poised to retrieve it. While some pictures look janky it feels weird to knit pick these without really thinking about them, while talking from a place of authority. I enjoy your videos, but that was way off.

[@Missaroo]

My partner HATES lineart with a passion so their linework is more of a cleaned up sketch like this persons?? Its very much a style so saying THAT particularly looks like AI is wild to me :/ I think the sketchy lineart + the rendering looks gorgeous!!

[@spiderleamer5066]

Hell this just happened to an artist i follow too. They make really cuet art but because of some simple mistakes soemtimes they got slammed for supposedly using ai art even though they 100% didnt. It sucks :(

[@TreayaDvs]

Id like to point out that with the Nanami design in seasion 2 you actually see what is a back "holster" which has the straps you see. (Its where his blunt sword sits in the middle of his back just type in Nanami shibuya)