Fashion Brand FALSELY ACCUSED Artist Of Using AI Art

What are your thoughts about this scenario? There's been a rampant trend of artists being accused of using AI, but sometimes it does more harm than good :o
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[@froggycolouring]

“Lineart doesn’t match rendering level” is actually such a horrible argument, sketchy lineart is usually a stylistic choice…

[@deviltrope]

also some artists are better at rendering than linework/anatomy/proportions. I've seen a lot of real artists with perfectly polished works but loose proportipns. heck, I'm one of those artists 💀

[@nurhaqim7159]

Not only horrible arguments. But that is very facts about artists. Lineart never matches the rendering level. Who thinks both are matching is never an artist. Even good artists fall short in this matter.

[@KanikVT]

Depends, when people are so good at rendering there is an expectancy of level on line art.

[@chocofurina]

@@KanikVT i think they're two different skill sets. it's common for artists to do great lineart and great rendering, yes, but some people tend to put down lines differently. that doesn't affect the rendering processas much, but it does affect lineart because you need to put down clean lines in order for the lineart to look good. that's where you get people cleaning up sketches in order to get to rendering faster

[@KanikVT]

@@chocofurina for everyone different ofc, but it does look suspicious when rendering looks amazing and the line art looks like a 10yo made it

[@seektopus]

The accusation tweet had 70k+ views, the apollogy had 10k. That's all i wanted to say.

[@n.m3677]

As always.

[@-Eternal-Damnation-]

As usual, people just want the drama. Hope it didn't do lasting damage to that artist's reputation

[@Shribble]

yeah they only compensates 1.5k for 70k plus reputation damage that creator will have a hard time now doing anything as its associated with their name and all the people who never saw the apology and to this day believes they use ai.

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

The Ai witch hunting is grotesque. This entire channel is singularly an Ai witch hunting channel.

[@BeanSprouts02]

​@@-Eternal-Damnation- you summarized most of social media. It's just all about the drama, baby! No one cares about the truth that much if it ain't some piping hot tea 🍵

[@caitlynxzane]

I miss the days when artists didn’t have to worry about AI accusations 😢

[@adumb_crackhead]

Real, I miss the days where artists would be accused of printing instead

[@currie1100]

It's one reason I went back to traditional art...

[@LikeAFemaleDog]

dw, we'll reach those days again soon enough 😢

[@TheMediaMachine]

Even if A.I didn't exist. You still will get F wankers doing this to artists anyway. People who got beef about someone's work should do it privately. Those who don't are attention seekers doing their virtual signalling. They ruined someone reputation and career and no money and some damn IPAD going to fix it.

[@SEVASWHO]

@@currie1100 one day ai will work on paper

[@pandoraarts7748]

People have messy art styles. Why are trying to force people into a clean line art style? I’m tired of people hating on messy line Art

[@aeoeoeo1434]

yeah its insane, a few years ago i wouldnt care if my hair strands were not consistent and my jacket has one extra flap bc it looks cool, nowadays you kinda have to fight for your life because unstable schizo twitter users want to witch hunt for entertainment

[@Masahiro-Masaki]

Agreed! Honestly, I really like messy line art I think it adds to the drawings and makes it look more like a traditional style if you're doing it on the computer/ Tablet/ phone. It's honestly sad that it gets so much backlash

[@lmSheep]

You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.

[@samuelvallejos]

I do manga, and messy lineart is the best!

[@pandoraarts7748]

@@lmSheep I did watch the whole video, and there are tons of people hating on messy line art. It was also brought up as a point to use against them multiple times. I just wish people would stop using this as an excuse to blame people for doing so art or it “looking bad” or “unprofessional”

[@WendyDaCanuck]

Iced Tea Aesthetics making this a public witch hunt instead of dealing with it privately was extremely unprofessional.

[@renske9637]

Yeah shame on them! They went straight into accusations in a public tweet, while they first could go to the artist and discuss the accusations there. Then the artist could actually proof and defend themselves without this public witch hunt.

[@Theu131]

Honestly why would any artist m work with them ever again? I certainly wouldn’t risk it. So unprofessional.

[@Bubbabab]

That’s what I’m saying. The death threats and name calling could’ve been avoided by resolving this in private

[@rualker1090]

love the idea that you’re not allowed to have varying degrees of skill in different aspects of art. my guy simply did not practice hands and got lynched for it. unreal.

[@DieezahArts]

Some of us are better at painting and rendering in general than we are at sketching. It's been a thing for ages, hence the need to hire different people for these tasks instead of leaving everything in the hands of a single artist, in industries like animation, comic book publishing or even video games...

[@claudeyaz]

​@@DieezahArts Yeah this person's composition of their figures is really good like if they could have designed the composition and done the sketch and then they could have paid someone else to digitize it wouldn't be bad

[@chickenmadness1732]

line art and painting are also completely different skill sets.

[@tommy-fn2xr]

as an artist I don't think his art looks like AI, I think he simply has an artstyle that AI likes to reference often. and, to be completely honest, knowing that AI generated art is only going to continue to improve and eventually become indistinguishable, it feels wrong to accuse artists of using it for such minor details.

[@binette2906]

Yeah like there was no slop in the drawing or anything like that.

[@KamiLeVrai]

Tips to spot AI pictures , 100% garanty If you use the color specter in photoshop or any editing software , you will see that the noise patern dont change between the differents colors RGB you can also look for JPEG artifacts Those tips dont work if the person trace and paint over AI.

[@tommy-fn2xr]

@@KamiLeVrai i just don't think there's much point in trying to hyperanalyze an artists work for AI because eventually it will become an outdated method. AI is improving rapidly regardless. What we should be pushing for is for transparency from artists, and if not from the artists themselves then for social media and the apps in question.

[@michaeldata5741]

@@KamiLeVrai Yeah that does not work anymore.

[@KamiLeVrai]

@@michaeldata5741Nah i test it yesterday on recently posted AI stuff, its still working Tested it on images generated on MidJourney , on SD 1.5 Model , on PonyDiffusion Model , on FLUX model

[@ohitsmorg]

Imagine basically ending someone’s career and hitting them with an “oopsie here’s an iPad.

[@DefineMeAsOne]

Yeah, ZuYu should sue for defamation instead, he might make more than $1500 and Ipad. Better yet take the money then sue. (I'm jk btw).

[@ash.networks]

i think they have done more than enough to make up for the lapse in judgment. sure it shouldn't have been public, but them admitting they were wrong & paying him out from all those different sources is probably the best way to handle it

[@BarefootCM]

​@@ash.networksthey said thier accusations were wrong but I didn't see them saying the were wrong to accuse in public to begin with. In fact the artist had to repeatedly appease accusers with " l can see why you think it might be ai" for common art struggles since long before ai art was a thing.

[@aishahshamsul8642]

​@@BarefootCM I don't think it's wrong to publicize it. The public deserved to know what's going on since some of them bought the pieces. Iced Tea Aesthetics had to juggle between Zuyu not responding and the public's opinions (including actual artists). I can see they did their best to be fair.

[@icedteaaesthetics884]

@@aishahshamsul8642 Knowing that adding a comment here may come across as unprofessional, I felt compelled to share my thoughts. I want to mention a key point to give a better picture of the issue. We were convinced by multiple well-known professional artists that AI played a significant (if not total) role in Zuyu's work. Some of these artists collaborate with us regularly, and others were part of their larger network. I want to emphasize that these are established professionals with substantial followings. As someone who isn’t an artist, I found their confidence and evidence persuasive (in hindsight it does feel stupid and incomplete). The evidence posted in the threads were created by the artists in question. The choice seemed to boil down to either "supporting AI in art" from the perspective of this large network of artists or starting a thread to criticize someone for what I increasingly believed was a justified reason. I am not saying this to excuse the mess that we created. I genuinely feel terrible for what I did to Zuyu. However, I believe this context is important to mention. I removed the threads after Zuyu provided me with ample evidence making it seem very unlikely that AI was used.

[@floofzykitty5072]

"AI's mess up hands!" Ah, yes, hands, which are famously easy to draw for real artists.

[@KittyKartel]

Right?!?! Like literally the bane of all my drawings lol hands and feet🥲

[@floofzykitty5072]

@@KittyKartel I feel like every artist has either accidentally added or omitted a digit somewhere on a hand or foot. I've accidentally drawn hands with only four fingers but the other hand has five multiple times (usually because I thought one of the fingers wouldn't be visible)

[@SoloAnima1]

@@floofzykitty5072I once drew a hand (and surprisingly well, tbh) and I realised it had 7 fingers 😭😭😭

[@st4rdyy]

​@@floofzykitty5072 I myself have drawn a hand with 4 fingers before (including the thumb) and it wasn't until the end of the art work when I finally zoomed out that I realized it.

[@st4rdyy]

Some artists have a habit of being zoomed in on spaces and forget to step back and focus on the entire piece as a whole. It's not all that uncommon

[@purporchid8628]

As a smoker, that pose actually didn’t look weird to me. As soon as you brought it up, I thought of several situations of why that pose makes sense, especially if pieces can be looked at as snapshot moments. If Nanami was going to be holding the cigarette, the more standard cigarette hold (fingers facing you, with index above and middle finger below, thumb stabilizing behind) is probably what he would’ve drawn, not that Also, I actually prefer the “chicken scratch” sketching style, that’s how I draw also however, I’m a paper/pencil girly. It seemed like a stylistic choice to me

[@weewooweewoo906]

yeah i considered the character was just in the process of reaching for cig

[@nailbomb420]

@@cranburrey But that wasn't the criticism...

[@yaonyaon9460]

Same. As a smoker, my hand often hovers near my cigarette while I am still sucking from it. Besides, he looked lost in thought and this very much fits the pose too. Smoking, thinking, just about to grab the cigarette thingy. And to be fair most of these 'mistakes' were really arguable. Be it the color palette, the hands, or even the mismatched clothing on both sides. Not unseen errors at all. And anyway, the mistakes AI makes are mistakes it 'learned' by ingesting human artworks. I always find it strange when certain things are used to say it's certain evidence of AI usage.

[@hrmmmmm]

he also doesn’t wear suspenders, i.e., they’re not holding up his pants. it’s a holster for his knife, so it makes sense you wouldn’t see the other strap- it’s not extending down to his pants, it’s going between his torso and arm and wrapping around the back, so it would be covered by the jacket. the thing she points to on the left below his armpit isn’t a vest or part of that holster, it’s the jacket behind him, hanging down and laying atop whatever surface he’s up against. sorry, not even what you were pointing out, i just had to gripe about that lol. the missing third knuckle would’ve for sure had me thinking twice, though

[@ly_sho]

​@@yaonyaon9460No, the mistakes it does is because it doesn't fully 100% understands what's on screen Most artists, at least the ones with the arts that the AI takes from, don't have those errors as the finished product Nanami doesn't even look lost in thought - He literally looks like average hot guy art Also he has 5 fingers but only 3 knuckles on the back hand area. An artist who actually knows about anatomy ( which is clear because the rest of the anatomy is fine ) would've never done that and forgotten abt it.

[@Æuvelity]

They do realise AI copies real artists right? Right..?

[@Zorosgf]

I don’t think they do love..😞

[@creepingace]

@@Zorosgfthey do. that's how ai generates stuff by using things that already exist

[@creepingace]

@Andywhitaker8 i was replying to the other comment idiot 💀 maybe you need to read LMFAO

[@creepingace]

@Andywhitaker8 dawg i was replying to the other comment. learn how to read.

[@ily.ydalis]

@@creepingace no theyre right..... the comment u were replying to was agreeing with the original comment lolllll "i don't think they do" as in the people who don't realize ai trains off real artists. they arent saying that ai doesn't

[@carziecat]

ALSO just the irony of a brand selling merch with copyrighted characters whining about potential AI

[@mjrhmekssh]

Haha I thought the same thing, as if the IP itself isn't copyrighted.

[@Unpopularity]

Literally. That company is so insanely disgusting imo. You don't steal people's IP.

[@LeanneKrv]

It's legal to sell stuff with copyrighted characters as long as it is not plucked straight out of the show/the original pieces. If it's your own craft, it is yours to do as you please. Unless it is Disney or Nintendo at least😂

[@Steeksify]

@LeanneKrv No, it's still not legal- it's just that a lot of other brands don't care/cant afford to sue. There is a difference Fair use doesn't include for profit work.

[@ni9274]

@@Unpopularity you have the right to sell things inspired from other IP, that's fair use But I guess we should attack the few companies actually paying artists instead of using AI, that's going to work well for artists

[@AnaosPoffu]

i saw this on twitter shit was sad wanted to say: i hate that just having messy lineart makes people accuse others of ai. i LOVE that look for art it's insane that no one can just make art and be happy

[@lolkthnxbai]

It's ridiculous, I sometimes do really scratchy line art when using a subject or reference just so I can get a real quick basic shape to build from. It's a habit I have from back when I started with traditional paper.

[@MajorWish]

YES omg I immediately got offended that people said that and I don't even draw like that lmao. I have ridiculously clean lineart cause I'm way too perfectionistic, but I absolutely adore messier lineart. That lineart style in those images looked like a choice, it fit the pieces so well. Whether or not it's traced or ai doesn't take away from the fact that the lineart being messy isn't the indicator of that being the case. Plenty of AI has pretty clean looking lines, and I'm sure plenty of tracers are capable of cleaning things up on their own. Messier lines look gorgeous and gives certain styles so much life and energy imo.

[@aquaticalateralis]

Fr- I take a long time to do art so most of the time I just clean up my sketch to the best of my ability.

[@mikuumelody]

no because this case worries me THATS LITERALLY MY LINEART. INTENTIONALLY. DO PEOPLE THINK IM USING AI?? HECK..

[@cranburrey]

​@@mikuumelodyIdk if that's your art in your pfp, but it doesn't look like the type that people would use to train ai to generate art so you don't need to worry

[@lavndvrrart]

Im so angry for zuyu. I would sue them for a lot mare than just 1,500 dollars. I cant belive they would ruin someones whole reputation with no proof.

[@Husain5XG]

You sound so fake, it's like sarcasm

[@Husain5XG]

And oops, I thought it was At, not for

[@munchkin8465]

Yeah if this artist plans on doing it full time this will surely cost more than 1500$ in missed jobs

[@lmSheep]

Do you not see the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated. Even the video creator herself said this one has her sus.

[@Analou13]

@@lmSheepbruh i have made dumb mistakes like the shirt too and i just leave it because its lowkey just dumb and too much work to remove the littlest mistake especially when i draw clothes not to mention those types my drawing of those types of clothes always look messed up and literally what missing finger 💀

[@yosei2886]

I really don’t get why people can’t differentiate between tracing/lazy art and an OBVIOUS art style choice. Those sketchy lines are so clearly on purpose and also adds a lot of soul to the pieces imo.

[@floof7680]

Im guessing you’re not an artist?

[@Aval0n_]

THIIIS. I was loving it because the messiness looked so human to me. Really adds to the "grunge" aesthetic IMO. Looks nothing like tracing chicken scratch and more like a way I used to do lineart by doing quick strokes that overshoot and then erasing the ends.

[@rachelciel3330]

@@floof7680 What? Art is meant to be enjoyed, not to be perfect. The viewers put value in arts. Regardless if they're artists or not, they can have their opinion and I think she's RIGHT. Art is meant to reflect the artist, we are meant to see the artist's inner working through their arts. Those sketchy lines reflected Zuyu as an artist and that's what Zuyu chose to keep. That alone is already an art form.

[@yosei2886]

@@floof7680 why would I be invested in this unless I’m interested in art? Anyone can be an artist, and I, for the record, certainly consider myself as an aspiring one.

[@VixxyCopeland]

I think my issue here is....IcedTea should have asked for proof PRIVATELY. It's totally fine to want to vet the person you're working with. But this proof could have been asked for on Discord. This livestream could have been asked for behind the scenes. If Zuyu failed to provide, then make your threads. I hate AI art, but this is slowly becoming a Witch hunt on Twitter and real artists are getting caught in the cross fire. Also this whole "Artist dont make mistakes that often!" Is such bullshit and its harmful. im still learning and I make mistakes ALL the times. My artist friends who are at a much higher skill level also make mistakes like this at a semi constant rate. Are they always noticeable? No. But human error is gonna happen when HUMANS draw. They may catch it before they post. They may not.

[@lillianabright03]

???? did you even watch the video? The comapny literally asked for proof in private dms. maybe watch the video properly before making assumptions.

[@pancaqq4578]

They did ask privately and didn’t get anything for a month and a half.

[@beelzebub4809]

That’s what happened though. Zuyu failed to provide information and then they made the thread. And yeah, AI art is damaging I agree, which is why the brand was so cautious and made that thread because if Zuyu was using ai, that could be harmful to ice tea whatever. As much as I feel bad for Zuyu, I can understand where the brand was coming from.

[@romeunleashed2]

@@pancaqq4578 Was he active during that month and half though? Like actively posting on X and stuff. As i know if you live in China which i believe he does as he is Chinese. You need to use VPNs to connect to anything else and the Chinese government is always blocking that . which can take some time to get VPN back up.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Zuyu should sue for defamation

[@EkaterinaSTADNIKOVA]

The man is not holding a cigarette, but is going to take it to exhale smoke. The red jacket-she doesn't have a second jacket, but a belt, can't you see?

[@Shammrye]

the double zipper jacket was a style in the 80s - source I'm an old lady and I had several with a double zipper

[@Kinderin]

i own like 3 jackets with the double zipper i got from a thriftstore/secondhand store

[@Iluvhotmoms64920]

My mother lended me a raincoat with a double zipper so yeah, I didn't find it weird either.

[@GlitchMothLu]

It's not suspenders, it's his gun holsters...

[@Moogchungus]

yea for his cursed weapon smh...

[@GlitchMothLu]

@@Moogchungus I don't even watch the series, I just watch a lot of old detective movies lol

[@Moogchungus]

​@GlitchMothLu yeah, I feel like not knowing anything abt him you would still be able to tell its holsters lolol

[@Morbid_Alice]

Yes!!!

[@mister-canada367]

@@Moogchungus I literally watched the show and completely forgot he had those lol. Not saying that justifies what happened to Zuyu, just saying people's brains aren't the best sometimes. I am glad I was informed of what they were tho, I was pretty clueless earlier lol

[@banefury]

artists.. lets start charging additional fees for livestreaming commissions 😂

[@K.L.-]

We totally should though 😅

[@Sketchnificent]

I already charge people to read their messages if I have to jump on livestream and prove I’m not using A.I that’s $2,200. I had people wanting me to show my face on stream that’s extra $1,000

[@ferretappreciator]

​@@Sketchnificenthow much for feet?

[@ferretappreciator]

​@@Sketchnificentsorry forget i said anything

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@K.L.- there are already a lot of reasons for people to use AI to get any kind of art they want, give them more... Money does not grow on trees (well, maybe AGI can make this a reality in a decade or two).

[@JulyIzHere]

13:20 "This piece throws me off too" God, im so glad im not a public artist. The bullying of this persons art style is wild. The way theres literally nothing wrong with the Nanami piece

[@Moogchungus]

idk something about the brand asking for zuyu to livestream with all those demands plus offering 500 just irritates me...

[@carziecat]

"Here's 500 now dance for us" it's gross and entitled and dehumanizing. "You should be grateful I'm throwing money at you" Imagine telling any other type of professional that.

[@Moogchungus]

​@carziecat fr, it's really hard to not get that vibe

[@LaNoir.]

The brand did not force him to do that, it was an offer before they initiate cancellation. They contacted him and did not get a response, that's why it got dragged into the open. They were okay when receiving the commissions since they aren't an artist but got complains about the art being AI by *customers* so they had to do something about it to not get a bad reputation. They simply asked for a proof that the work is genuine, not to 'make him dance like a monkey'.

[@adamNZ2024]

@@carziecat That could be a relatable experience in any professional working space to be honest.

[@GreySeashell-j3m]

@@Moogchungus Is it really? I didn't get that vibe. Am I missing something? I am both an artist and run a business. So in any perspective I can't see it as malicious as you guys.

[@devichi4108]

1500$ for ruined reputation is insulting...The whole streamed test thing sounded demeaning. :/

[@marcsfat]

I agree it felt asking a monkey to dance for you, but it didn't seem in bad faith from the company. They got a lot of input from outside sources that they couldn't ignore. Also, it was $1500, an iPad, and 100% of sales from the products (vs a percentage).

[@sdani.]

also they were apologising for using references and tracing as a learning tool :( i feel like this really hurt their mental health

[@chickenmadness1732]

@@sdani. even professional concept artists trace lmao. They photobash and do paint overs.

[@Ryyoyui]

first of all, they didn't force him to do so and they nicely apologize to zuyu as they said they will if zuyu really made a legit proof. Btw people can accuse art that FEELS like ai + if they have a 'proof', im sure bc of this account SOME people knows that zuyu is fully innocent. They also needs publics pov about zuyu's art so the brand can know that they just got more proof or just falsely accuse the artist earlier.

[@carmillaaaa]

@@Ryyoyui No, it’s completely wrong unprofessional and actually illegal for a brand to publicly accuse an artist they’re commissioning of plagiarism without real hard evidence. It’s fine to privately ask the artist about it, or to remove the artists previous work and not commission them in the future if they’re really that unsure, but to create a public Twitter thread like that was absolutely unhinged behavior, and it should ruin them as a company.

[@nnyako]

15:00 gun holster, not suspenders. That’s why it doesn’t reach the bottom

[@ladyryuki308]

he doesn't use a gun. he has suspenders that attach to both sides of his pants at the hips and wrap around his back in the shape of an X. on the back, it holds his cleaver

[@daemonjpeg]

i was thinking it could be suspenders and yuzu just forgot to draw the other side. cant tell you how many times i have accidentally done that with my own art lmao

[@nnyako]

@@ladyryuki308 ahh I see, that’s what others were saying. I assume he (artist) thought they were gun holsters, the way the brown piece was drawn it’s in the shape of a holster

[@red-road-rot4970]

@@ladyryuki308which equally explains how the artist drew the suspenders since the pose hides his hips where they connect on both sides

[@Onyx-ds4rm]

He uses a cursed tool or weapon thing, but yes it’s a holster for that and NOT suspenders. That part of the video was killing me.

[@aruvius]

the audacity to say you confidently think an artist is using AI but also not having any proof in the same post...... I'm glad it worked out for Zuyu, but if I were him I wouldn't let them use my art anymore💀

[@LaNoir.]

How would you proof an artist uses ai, genuinely interested.

[@aruvius]

@@LaNoir. AI already has obvious tells that show it’s AI-melted jewelry, mismatched eyes, unrefined detail, etc. Iced Tea’s “evidence” is not in line with any of those tells. Kat already has numerous videos exposing people who use AI where there was actually had solid evidence.

[@JemaCyan.22222]

​@LaNoir. How do you prove it is? Streaming it? Showing their hands and face? How much overstepping and boundaries should be crossed for the answers you/they want?What if they want to be anonymous and not have their face plastered online? Also there is video ai, how do you know it's not that? Where's the line? Because at the moment, it seems as though the artist is being harassed.

[@cranburrey]

​@@JemaCyan.22222 Idk if you're aware but there are streamers who stream without their faces showing and without talking. But like the other person said before, how are you supposed to detect what's AI in art and what's not?

[@JemaCyan.22222]

@@cranburrey Okay. Say if I accused you of being a bot. How are you going to prove you're not.

[@irisouyart]

27:19 just because you can do live streaming of your drawing process and find it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone can. I personally would hate that as my drawing process is slow and messy. I also don’t draw at a table (I like drawing on my sofa, bed etc wherever I get inspiration) and being restricted to draw under a camera messes my ability to draw because I stress. So I record my painting process from start to finish but never my drawing process. Granted that I am mostly a traditional artist but the point remains: things that are easy for some might not be easy for others and that doesn’t mean they don’t draw things themselves.

[@8erlyk]

same on painting, i just feel like a fucking dumbass recording my sketches getting stuck on an eye for 2hours. dont get me started on hands/expressions.

[@ButtersTweekLuka]

I feel like this types of videos are becoming so harmful if there's no actual proof... I hate that artists are being forced to record screens and stuff. I work on Linux with Krita and my computer is sooo slow on it's own and very often even just opening two programs at a time is stressing my computer.

[@softlyelm]

And also art take hours!! Like who wants to sit through hours of footage/live streaming for multiple days/sessions? Not to mention that as artists we often get “bursts” of energy to do our work. Imagine you get some inspiration to do a piece but you can’t paint it yet because you got to find and setup your tripod,camera, make sure you look presentable enough to be on camera for hours on end, find a quiet private area to film (if you live with people) etc. it’s way too much pressure and work on the artist to to do this extra unpaid labor to prove they’re not ai when they’re just trying to do art! 😣

[@kallifornia_8]

That’s definitely me. I absolutely love drawing in bed, all cozy and relaxed. The process is pretty lengthy for me; it usually takes around 8 hours to complete a piece, with 3-6 breaks scattered throughout to stretch or recharge. Back when I used to stream on Twitch, it was a whole different vibe. I’d spend hours just looking at it, but I’d barely manage to finish even one eye by the end of the stream. It was fun but also a bit slow-paced 😭

[@mantara-29236]

It’s always non artists.

[@XartiXV]

Some of them uses Ai Detectors.

[@Tsukiyumi3]

@@XartiXVthose are trash and they ruined the end of my university years. It’s not art but writing ai detector, I was the leader of group of 7 people doing a research and writing everything each one of us was responsible for a section and after we finish I organize everything and correct grammar mistakes since I was the best with writing. Then at the end when we finished we submitted it to the professor she ran it through an Ai text detector to check if we used something to generate text for us (despite us taking a full year to actually write and test everything) and guess what happened ? The teacher told me that it was 90% ai generated 🤡 I send it her multiple proofs of use writing everything and despite that she told me to rewrite some sentences which took us an extra 10 days to finish and we had finals exams during that time as well it made me absolutely hate the entire last year of uni when I was supposed to enjoy it

[@Starb0y_Imai]

i feel like ice tea or whatever their name was went about it better than some people accusing

[@cranburrey]

​@@Starb0y_ImaiThey did because at least they gave Zuyu some compensation

[@Zey_Anne]

​@@XartiXV AI detectors are not completely reliable, as long as it looks like the art of the person that the AI studied and sampled, it's always going to be detected as "AI art"

[@mywingsareyours]

Tbh i think we have forgotten that hands have been a struggle for real artists for ages lmao. The hand I dont think was a mistake tho tbh, holding a sword through the two fingers like that is like an oldschool anime samurai kinda way of holding the hilt where the hilt is flat against the palm. The cig was meant to be a motion thing- he had it between his lips and was reaching to it to grab it. The "suspender" im almost certain was just a fold in the shirt that just got colored the wrong shade or had a layer issue. Honestly every 'mistake' here is something i have probably done myself as an artist lol.

[@KagomeYasha023]

Suspenders were actually gun holsters

[@Nitallie]

As an artist with messy line corners & tendency to turn sketches into lineart and call it a day - I want to both laugh and cry at situations like this. Apart from the artstyle being something personal and individualistic to different artists, formed by their own learning pathways, there's a one funny thing: In some cases, sloppiness is a direct result of modern expectations and demands from artists. "More and faster" is the key to success in many areas, especially in the media space. If you don't print fanart and commissions like a madman, everybody loses interest pretty fast. It's TikTok age, after all. Re-learning & just learning to draw like a machine comes by the cost of quality; sometimes people resort to tracing and other cheating tactics, just to save time. Not defending this crap, but can sympathize. And bless those who just built different and can be both high quality and fast :'з So if you treat art like chips - don't look for cut diamonds on the bottom of the pack. Also, the heckin social pressure these AI witch hunts are putting on artists. "Prove to us, show us everything, follow these instructions from us right on livestream'' - thank god for deleted twitter and being underground furry artist, honestly. Some people find it relatively easy and just ''why not?'', but if I was in Zuyu's place - would cry and die right here and there.

[@aguitadecoco2319]

this! it's honestly super demotivating "the level of rendering doesn't match the level of lineart" what if I'm just lazy and if I prefer to paint..

[@triggerfairy4070]

Id add an FU to that last post for the icedtea prick

[@lmSheep]

You did not watch the full video LOL the issue is not his linework. Look at the drawing at 13:00. At first I also thought this cant be AI, but LOOK AT THAT DRAWING LOL. Missing a finger completely, shirt ends in two splits, those are not artistic choices or mistakes. It is 100% AI generated.

[@triggerfairy4070]

@@lmSheep the title itself say falsely accused of using AI art. So the artist didn't used AI.

[@lbow5479]

@@lmSheep I've seen you reply this exact thing on a different comment here. Either you're spamming or you REALLY hate this guy. As an artist who often makes mistakes like this and relies heavily on references and cleaning up messy sketches...sometimes that shit just happens. You don't remember why you drew a certain line somewhere, but you render it and clean it up because you have to work faster, post things faster, just *get it done* and you save it and don't notice you painted something that doesn't make sense. And it's embarrassing. But now it is also, apparently to some of you on the internet, cause to ruin a person's reputation.

[@youngop]

2 things I’m seeing here 1. The Ai witch hunt which was originally started in defense of artist, is now destroying artist. Hilarious 2. People telling artist how to create art and the artist feeling the need to prove it to random trolls online.

[@lectersdog]

☆ i think people forget sometimes people dont try to even out their learning when it comes to art ☆ some people will pour EVERYTHING into learning to render in the way they want n then the anatomy / compositions / background wont match the skill level of the rendering just bc they havent rounded out their skills yet

[@Kyrmana]

Definitely. Even if just focusing on anatomy, I'll remember some muscle parts and not others when drawing xD

[@Biggiecheese20]

When people say Generative art isn't harmful to artists... Then you hear more and more stories like this. Shit, people even falsely accuse the real deal in comments.

[@mysteriousastrolabe]

Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. 🧏🏾‍♀️

[@moirasandwich785]

@@mysteriousastrolabe shouldnt have to do that.

[@mysteriousastrolabe]

@@moirasandwich785 You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest. 🧏🏾‍♀️

[@maxnami]

Problem are "Artist" that accusse without a real proof and the envy as a motivation. "look this supicious art that is better than me... is AI". In the end Money is the real motivation... How many times the accusser is just the competence of the artist accused ? Before launching a "thread" they must stop and think... "This really worth it?"

[@stealthbrandon]

Ironic it won't be generative AI that destroy artist ,but ultimately other artist attacking each other and own personal ego . AI just become a new weapon for other artist to attack other artist for there own personal tiktok beefs .

[@5eyoshi]

27:13 Okay, as someone who hates being accused of something, I'd despise having to 'prove myself' for doing nothing worng , to me, it'd be like a personal attack on what you stand for due to art being a form of expression, and how you express things to be ridiculed to such a level, would be the equivalent of accusing a banker of fraud

[@damntae6540]

Exactly. Recently I made a poster for English class. He said you could draw it or make it digitally. I was the only one who choose to do digital since I have been doing traditional for every project and wanted to try something new. Every class he showed it to had people accusing me of ai. Made me wish I never even tried to make anything at all.

[@ChocolateShaddixX]

In another comment someone wrote: "Livestream your entire process in real life with overhead view for every piece you make to have irrefutable proof, as simple as that. You’re living in the age of generative AI. Wanna be accused of using AI and have your reputation ruined just like the person in the video? Be my guest." And yeah, I think it's crazy to demand all of that, to prove we draw our own stuff. I know we live in a difficult time with AI, but it seems unfair that real artists have to put in even MORE effort to prove themselves, while AI bros just press buttons, not caring about the art community at all. I think this much proof could be demanded in art competitions where you can win prizes and for higher priced commission work. But every single image I draw for fun? That just seems rude and overkill.

[@sirkana]

But she did do something wrong, she ghosted the company for almost 2 months when contacted privately. Extremely suspicious behaviour for no reason. She also admitted not doing the backgrounds themselves.

[@caravep]

This is an incredibly naive metaphor, according to the fdic insider fraud has accounted for over one-half of all bank fraud and embezzlement cases closed by the FBI during the past several years. If you google “how common is internal bank fraud” it’ll be one of the first things to pop up. In regard to the accused artist, I can understand why you would sympathize with their situation as a person who hates to prove themselves, but it’s important to keep in mind that the artist in question is someone who was doing art professionally. They might not have any obligation to prove that they don’t use ai to their audience but there is a certain level of responsibility in ensuring that your clients don’t feel like your work is fraudulent. I don’t say this to disparage your own sentiments but in the age of AI a client asking the artist they hired to validate the authenticity of their work seems like a reasonable expectation. If anything it’s a much more reasonable business practice than to just blindly accept any work an artist gives you without giving any consideration towards its authenticity in order to avoid hurting anybody’s feelings. With that being said , I don’t think the way Iced Tea Aesthetics handled the situation publicly is exempt from criticism but that’s an entirely different conversation.

[@triggerfairy4070]

​@@sirkanaId ghost them for a year if they do that to me.

[@Flare6]

The irony of a clothing brand trying to out an artist for fraud after commissioning said artist to commit copyright infringement 😂

[@clauding-ako]

The store owner cancelled an artist after they literally said they were going to create a video of their WIP? Did they expect it to magically be finished already so they could respond with it right away?? Crazy how they said they expected him to respond and that’s why they went to Twitter, but didn’t even give him a chance to produce what they were asking for. The store owner is lying to themselves by saying they were a decent enough person to talk to the artist first before sabotaging them…they didn’t even give him a chance. So glad in this climate I’m not an artist wit my sketchy lines and bad hands

[@jenlou2880]

13:56 as someone who has smoked, a little hint: you don't hold the cigarette with your fingers all the time. sometimes you just hold it in your mouth like nanami in this drawing. often to look more “relaxed ” but i still get what you mean, even if it shopuld look "more relaxed" why align the fingers with the jacket.

[@brausthesunbringer]

About Nanami's jacket - many jackets like this have straps on the back that allow u to wear it like backpack or only on one shoulder and not drop the jacket on the ground, Al'haitham wears his the same way And about Misato's jacket, it just has douple lining, many 2000 jackets had those

[@cranburrey]

Yeah but specifically, Nanami does not wear a jacket like that though

[@brausthesunbringer]

@@cranburrey he does not smoke as well and its goes against his character, yet wearing classic jacket is more his style

[@SlothCragg]

​@@brausthesunbringerther are hundreds of fan arts with him smoking because of that scene where he grabs the dude by the hair, it make him look loke a Badboy and a common way to show that in art is often to have them smoke

[@brausthesunbringer]

@ my arguement was not about smoking, i added this bcs people thought it was AI bcs of jacket (that was realistic at the end of the day) and him smoking is less realistic then wearing this style of jacket

[@TheLobstersoup]

Wait, they buy unlicensed fan art of licensed characters to commercially sell those and then complain that the characters were AI made? They shouldn't be commissioning licensed characters to be sold on their business in the first place.

[@Random-Saurus]

4:48 sketchy lines are such a weak piece of "evidence"

[@steelclackers2611]

I think this channel is one of factors that adds in in people's paranoia. Because people don't realise that AI is trained on artists works and it tends to copy mistakes as well. Personally I think I'll stop indulging in this kind of drama even in video form. Seeing others taking someone's work apart and pointing out all they consider is wrong with it leaves a bad taste in my mouth after all.

[@cranburrey]

I feel the same way because as much as I dislike the art community in it's current state, I really think making content over pointless DRAWma is really damn weird. But whatever pays her bills lmao

[@Steeksify]

Yeah.... the creator of this video is just as problematic as AI. Like sitting there, pointing out every mistake or stylistic difference as a mistake is just... soul crushing. I am extremely disappointed in this KZbinr and hope she rethinks her choices.

[@PaperdoII]

srsly, ai is bad at hands bc artists who the ai feeds from are bad at hands lol

[@chickenmadness1732]

@@Steeksify yeah she's built a career on witchhunting lmfao.

[@emackenzie]

Dear God 27:00 "Has to start drawing as soon as he gets the prompt" "the prompt will randomly change" "has to take detours to do random shit" "needs to explain his process the entire time" what a fucking headache. Who the hell can properly draw in those conditions??

[@Skw1p-0]

15:08, Nanami doesn’t wear suspenders, it’s a holster for his weapon, which is why you don’t see it attaching to his pants. The fingers separate from the cigarette make sense because he isn’t holding it, it’s an image of him either having released the cigarette or poised to retrieve it. While some pictures look janky it feels weird to knit pick these without really thinking about them, while talking from a place of authority. I enjoy your videos, but that was way off.

[@barbarareynolds329]

I totally agree!! I was SO ANNOYED hearing her say that 😂 I was practically yelling at my phone “HOLSTER!!! I ONLY HOLD MY CIGARETTE WHEN I NEED TO BLOW OUT!!!”

[@Leebitsteller]

He doesn’t have a gun idk where ppl have seen him with a gun. He has X shaped suspenders in the back that hold his “butcher knife” for easy access

[@Skw1p-0]

@@Leebitstellersorry, by holster, I just meant to hold his cleaver. I figured the anchors on the side were to keep it down so it didn’t flop around, but I feel like that image could still account for that being there. I just think it’s a thin justification to use for possible AI, when there are so many other explanations.

[@Leebitsteller]

@@Skw1p-0 I do believe that that picture isn’t ai too , I was just stating cus the comment were all saying it’s for his gun while he doesn’t even use a gun in the show for once

[@Skw1p-0]

@@Leebitsteller Nanami with a gun is crazy XD. I wonder if it would work with his technique though? Does it have to be physical contact through him that touches the weak point or could he like snipe it from far away?

[@seraph1690]

Ive been telling a lot of people that hands are not indicative of AI, ive seen so many artists just not drawing hands correctly, be it lazyness, cuz it wasnt the focus of the work or because they decided they didnt want correct hands but they didnt want to resort to hiding them... suddenly everyon is an art critique, but really they dont know what they are doing, and it is baffling to see a lot of people just sending them to "AI jail" just because they did that artistic decision

[@thepovdweller]

I can't draw hands to save my life😅

[@seraph1690]

@@thepovdweller lol yeah, that too, some people may draw the most beautiful portraits, bug drawing hands... that is challenging af

[@kayceee6770]

@@seraph1690 At least for every other part of the body something can be simplified like a silhouette, but at times hands, feet even a nose can be some of the most infuriating stuff to draw especially since with the degrees of freedom capable for hands make it some of the hardest things to get down. I don't want to dream about trying to continuously see the mistake of a bad hand and correcting it and it's still not right. Like as a kid I sucked at spacing for the hands/fingers, one finger would be fat so gotta draw the middle section again and respace and the whole things falls apart.

[@idkwhattonamemyselfsoyeah]

It's different for everyone, but I personally feel Ai tends to mess up the number of fingers, while beginner artists mess up the positioning of fingers (I do this all the time). I'm not experienced at all, though

[@Sandra8675SecondLife]

Sorry but No... NOooooo... Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never ever posted & accused an artist on a public social media site. Wtf is wrong with people? How dare Iced Tea Aesthetics try to force the artist to 'prove' their work is really hand drawn. The artist is young & new & was under no obligation to comment on this accusation. And damn it Iced Tea Aesthetics actually thinks things are cool now like he did the right thing... For the artist... The IPad & the apology is not enough! Not even close! Do not work for people like this, not for 1 million dollars. Do not accept any gifts because it means the deal is done & u accept the terms of the accusation & the accusation outcome. Make a point of sending that IPad back. i would even send back any money mixed in with this art commission & make them pull every piece in question out of production. You do not have to work with people like this. i feel so bad for the artist.

[@sirkana]

Ghosted the company when contacted privately, what else were they supposed to do? Take them to court?

[@ankilearning]

Iced tea was incredibly civilized and nice in this tbh. He tried contacting Zuyu privately to solve the situation multiple times only to get ghosted. What should he have done otherwise? Just accept that he got scammed out of more than a 1000 usd, move on and let a potential fraud continue scamming others?

[@otkrivlenie]

They had paid him 1000$. How will you react if you have buisness that people say it's art is AI?

[@Sandra8675SecondLife]

@@ankilearning Iced Tea Aesthetics should have never under any circumstance posted any type of accusation on a public social media site. If the artist didn't feel like replying in private then Iced Tea Aesthetics had the option to pull any all all art pieces from his brand until further notice. No amount of money is worth it for the artist to work under these conditions. I will not comment further.

[@Sandra8675SecondLife]

@@otkrivlenie Iced Tea Aesthetics had no right to accuse any artist publicly. Period. How could a business owner react??? Well... Iced Tea Aesthetics could have made the choice to pull any and all art made by this artist so no one else could purchase it until things were cleared up. The process of blasting people in public on social media is uncalled for and out of line. An artists reputation is all they have and is worth much more than $1k. I will comment no further.

[@Whereismydadhelp]

I feel like regular ppl are shocked when they actually look closely at human art because it looks a lot weirder the more you look at it and scrutinize it. Which is how we as artists feel when we're studying from an irl reference because IRL LOOKS SO MUCH WEIRDER than the vague, smoothed corners images people usually have in our heads of anatomy. Sometimes detail in art is just a facade of detail and when you look at it its just a bunch of weird marks but its put together confidently so you dont notice it from a distance. Also I looked closely at the skirt and thats definitely not a thumb, its part of the skirt strap. You can tell because the skirt line runs through it.

[@Dragmiredraws]

I’d be so mad! Defamation is a thing! And especially using a buzzword like “Ai”, I’d definitely go after it. They said it was about something, but I imagine it was probably some burned intern or something. Reputational damage NEVER goes away because the internet never forgets

[@EmpressChu]

I'll be so for real as someone who is starting to learn how to do art, this is making me not want to. I think I'll leave that want alone, because I have huge anxiety, i couldn't imagine someone forcing me to prove myself over a live stream taking me out of my comfort zone

[@khoi101]

hey dont worry about it! you dont have to post your drawings or show them to the internet, you can just share inbetween friends (something that i have been doing with others for a while). just draw what you want for yourself and make it a personal goal :)

[@Weeniehutnurse]

I understand what you mean but you should go for it! Just don’t post it online, do art FOR YOU

[@RainbowWrangler]

As someone who does art and has been accused several times of this bs (my art style is weird so i get it 😅) don't let this deter you. There is no wrong way to do art if you enjoy doing it. Really im serious. Life is too short to deprive yourself of the simple joy in creating just incase some muppets on the Internet have nothing better to do. Go to it, learn to do everything you want to and above all else have fun with it ❤

[@carmillaaaa]

Real talk, this was an issue long before AI existed, but it’s not a reason to quit art. Some people will walk up to a person actively drawing with a pencil in a sketchbook and say “you didn’t draw that” 😑People are stupid. But the neat thing is you don’t have to prove anything to anybody. Their thoughts are not your responsibility. You can laugh at them, you can ignore them, but you don’t ever have to do something you’re uncomfortable with just because some rando arbitrarily demanded you ‘prove yourself.’

[@SlothCragg]

The idea of telling someone that they should never show their art is extremely demoralising

[@muranziel]

What the Iced tea forgot, is that it is a lot more easier and faster to throw out accusations than it is to prove them false.

[@NovaDraconis]

12:29 tbh as an artist that knows nothing about guns it is exactly how I would draw one with references 😭

[@barbarareynolds329]

😂 same here that was always a critique I got at art school. Thank GOD I’m not there at this point in time where my peers could dissect my art and tell me it was AI when it was just something I hadn’t drawn before taking a character design class

[@JXQU3]

What is even "Lineart is sketchy therefore it's traced" there are so many artists which use sketchy lineart because they like how it looks, it's one of my favorites too.

[@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke]

So they're against AI stealing art from artists yet they are fine with selling merch with art of licensed characters from private IPs? Talk about hypocrisy.

[@BubbleTea033]

I think one of my big concerns is the way the other artists commented on Zuyu's work. Now, I agree that there is a typical process of learning anything, because we're human and our methods of learning aren't that varied. But, I think it's a grim day for artists the moment artists start speaking for all other artists. I thought that learning your own way was something that was supposed to be celebrated? Reading between the lines, it sounds like unless you come from a traditional art background, you will inevitably be accused of using AI. And you what? I'd actually say that Zuyu did use AI-generated references, but who cares? It doesn't sound like they generated any themselves -- it's just that if you search for anything now on Google, half the results are AI. That's not a problem they should be tasked to solve, that's on Google.

[@beelzebub4809]

I’ve been accused of using Ai many times because of how messy my lines are. Someone even tried to find something to accuse my of saying that certain lines don’t make sense. Ai “art” is really damaging and more proof of that keep surfacing whether it’s someone accusing someone of Ai, someone selling ai and claiming it’s theirs or someone getting their art stolen by ai (which also has happened to me). Like seriously, people are saying “ai is a great tool and yada yada” but what is it helping? And it’s very ironic that a brand/company is accusing someone else of ai when many companies nowadays would rather use Ai instead of paying an artist. Edit: This was such a good ending I almost cried 😭🙏 Good for both of them.

[@jessicakemper2920]

Imagine thinking someone’s art career is equal to $1500 or an iPad. How awful.

[@WhileShayeh]

Ignoring everything, it's kinda weird the brand wanted a "sexy" art piece of a 16 yr old, Maki.

[@cranburrey]

And what's weird is that the artist drew it

[@Analou13]

@@cranburreyNot really people always do things for money not suprising

[@sdani.]

​@@cranburreynot necessarily, they might've not realised that

[@linriana]

@@sdani.yeah, if you don’t know the character, you wouldn’t know

[@JemaCyan.22222]

Look up "Vintage jackets with double zippers." From what I remember, that anime is old. They possibly looked up 90s jackets and fashion. Also that's Nanami's harness.

[@Poison0aks]

I love how we went from every artist complaining about how hard hands are to draw (specifically), to “oh you struggle with hands? I guess your AI.” Like also wish we wouldn’t call someone’s technique rare when it’s just not what we use, many self taught artist draw through shading and coloring. Line work is a specific skill, and if you’re not good at it, you typically make up for it with rending, shading, coloring. Calling this known method rare just opens up people whose strength isn’t in line work up for a witch trail. Because notice how there was no doubts the artist was shading it themselves, and the way its shaded schemes “THIS IS MY STRENGTH.” People know some art doesn’t contain lines at all right?

[@OlafMetal]

Imagine expecting perfection from humans and flaws from machines.

[@LilMissForgotten-nx4kf]

I just think these are minor mistakes. It shouldnt be called ai unless you have 100 percent proof it is-

[@feyrune3205]

I think Zuyu just has a very messy artstyle. He seems like a beginner artist to me, since he really does have a LOT of mistakes in his pieces. He can render skin and clothes prettyy good, but besides that, you cn really see how hard it is for him to draw the poses he looks up on pinterest. Props to him, he doesn't trace the poses since many things on them are off, like weird looking hands, ears always messed up and other stuff, but yeh.. As an artist, his artworks look odd to me but it is just his weird artstyle. He will be a good artist in a year or so, until then he really needs to practice drawing more freely^^

[@Illariswife]

This seems weirdly backhanded..

[@makeritualnoise]

this is exactly what i was thinking. i admittedly haven't finished the video but there's things that, looking at the 'evidence' i can see where the messy line art can make it look really weird because it's not defined as much. what looks like a 'second zipper' on the misato piece looks like a belt that's just poorly outlined. on the minami piece i think he was going for his hand pulling away from the cigarette, or moving towards it, rather than it trying to actually grab something that wasn't there. it seems like a case of where they roughly sketch the piece then forget exactly what it was they were trying to go for when they go to render, which is def something i can understand. also seems like they put the cart before the horse learning to render so well but then not learning the basics of anatomy and clothing folds, which then leads to things like this were things look weird a janky but the rest of it looks so good that it must be something else when it's... not. if they put in a ton of work on learning anatomy and how cloth drapes, they would be an absolutley stellar artist.

[@DeviBuster]

Yeah a lot of these “ai signifiers” are just mistakes a beginner, or even just a hobbyist who hasn’t been to art school, would make.

[@LucariosTrainer]

i was blessed with the ability to draw quite decently from references as a kid, and i kept doing that for like 3 years until i decided i wanted to draw original stuff without references, and i basically had to start from zero, because drawing from reference, and understanding how to draw original concepts from your head are two difference practices. and if they wanted to start now, it would likely be such a drastic change in quality, which wouldn't sit well on social media, so they might feel kinda chained to using references if they want to keep up with quality of what they do. i'd advise them to at least do more independent studies on clothing and smaller details tho, to support the work they do with references

[@NCDENZEL]

Beginner artist? get the fuck out my face

[@bradonhoover3002]

So... they literally committed textbook defamation?

[@Ambrosiared]

It's so wild to confidently blackmail someone to either demand they go on livestream or you'll ruin their career. Now, we are saying if something is too messy, it's AI, or it's too perfect, it has to be made with AI. I absolutely hate the use of AI to replace artistic expression and work, but I'm hating what it's doing to us more. There can be no more personal style or mistakes without accusation. An artist must be prepared to be guilty and prove their ability up to someone else's standard at every post. It's wild.

[@Heliosion]

for the nanami piece, a lot of people draw his suspenders go around the shoulder and under the armpit creating a kind of bondage look. i've seen a lot of artists sexify his suspenders because it crosses in the back or something. just something to note

[@PastelPixie99]

They are gun holsters

[@barbarareynolds329]

I draw a lot of cowboys and it’s commonly seen in the wild west, where the majority of them had leather back holsters for their guns that you put on like a backpack, so the straps only show themselves around the shoulder and arm pits

[@blue_twitch___5371]

ofc its a clothing brand 💀

[@damntae6540]

Ofc. I give up on those types of clothing brands cuz they either steal every drawing or they all use ai anime girls now. Had to unfollow one who switched to ai trash recently

[@ilovecookingmama]

To be honest, the clothing brand isn't really the one to blame since they did get a lot of people telling them how it was ai. They're not an artist and obviously having more than multiple ppl telling you the art is ai, you would get suspicious of it. Also they owned up to their mistakes of accusing zuyu to use ai and compensating for the damages caused. This is something you don't see too often and it's great to see both the artist and the brand came into good terms. I do this it's sad to see just how much ai is becoming a cause of ruining peoples' rep. Like before it was about how having smooth artstyle is ai and now people with rough artstyle too.

[@elitefdc2171]

not AI. just stupid keyboard warrior. i bet they deleted their tweet and pretending to be dumb

[@Weeniehutnurse]

Yeah but why would they be showing all this “evidence” from pieces that aren’t even there’s. They’re just calling all their art ai generated. It’s so unprofessional once it gets to that point.

[@carmillaaaa]

Of course the clothing brand is to blame for their own actions. What they did was unbelievably unprofessional, and even illegal. It doesn’t matter what comments people are leaving, you can’t just wake up one day and decide it’s a great idea to commit the actual crime of slander, by publicly accusing your own employee of something you know will ruin their career and reputation, despite having no actual evidence to confirm that as factual. I really can’t understand why people are defending what they did.

[@Tyr0n823]

16:30 The frequency illusion (also known as the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon), is a cognitive bias in which a person notices a specific concept, word, or product more frequently after recently becoming aware of it.

[@TheJohhnyE]

Gotta say, I think this woman's hair color is AI. Black blending into blonde blending into purple.. Doesn't seem natural to me. I'm not a hairdresser, but it's also suspicious that her hair seems to have multiple lengths. 😂😂

[@daemonjpeg]

i take such issue with these artists dog piling on zuyu. its people like these who are going to drive beginner / inexperienced / anxious artists off the internet as a whole. being critical and looking out for ai is important in this space but the ai witch hunts causing innocent artists to lose their platforms are getting out of hand.

[@GUSYROSA-qj2pk]

To be fair, there were really strong arguments pointing towards AI tracing, like really. It’s really weird how their art looks like the most professional artist work in the most part, like really good anatomy and lines,really good coloring, but then in small details and hands they make the most amateur and strange mistakes over and over, it’s kinda weird to be THAT good in everything else but THAT bad quite often, like they never try to make better hands or something but try really hard in the rest. So it’s fair to see why people suspected it. But when an artist is legit and is mistaken for AI, it’s a really sad thing, overall generative AI sucks and we would never have this kinda problem if it was never such a big thing and so many scumbags used it.

[@hyperbean2000]

One thing that kinda annoys me is at 11:05. Do people know that it is very popular to get a leather jacket with TWO zippers? Its actually really common, but also i would definitely want to design a jacket like that, its cool!

[@aeoeoeo1434]

this community is getting crazy, artists are hurting themselves more than AI could ever dream of

[@edwardpaulsen1074]

The commentary about the piece in question already has some absolutely clueless people talking about things they have no idea about... that is a full Katana, there is NO hilt in that drawing only the handguards and pommel, furthermore a blade being pulled from a sheath only maintains the same alignment for less than half of the draw length... this is freaking physics and does not conform to ANY variant of fantasy delusions. Another thing mentioned are the hands and yet I can point to literally THOUSANDS of pieces made long before AI ever existed in which there are imperfections in the drawing of hands, especially in sketch work... I can also cite thousands of "High Fashion" drawings that retain all those "sketch" earmarks going all the way back before there were even home computers, much less AI... and those were done by "Professional" artists... Having physically HELD real swords in awkward positions, I am now questioning your skill and integrity as an "artist" as well because those "off" grips are quite common and I can cite medieval plates that do the EXACT SAME THING! I would also like to point out that this **COMMISIONED** piece is meant to show off the clothing design and the hands are a peripheral feature to the art that was paid for... unless you are going to now count all the "janky" mannequins that are used in thousands of stores to display clothing... why aren't THEY also "perfect" too?!? I am not ALWAYS holding the cigarette when I smoke, I occasionally have to reach up to retrieve it and :surprise, surprise: during that action the fingers might be spread getting ready without actually touching it... also, there are MANY places in the world that roll their own or cigarettes may get bent during handling... life is the antithesis of "perfection"... This whole thing reminds me STRONGLY of the mental midget turds on Reddit and other places that "Fixed someone's art" or quibble about "skin tones" or other aesthetics... I can draw machinery like a champ but generally suck at organic things... I can draw very good "parts" but generally fail at putting them together well without devoting HUGE amounts of time and effort that are a waste when I have real life issues to take care of... something that I notice the Twitterazzi and other critical denizens seem to not have any issues with... I am glad the two parties worked things out and proved themselves, my own daughter has contended with these same petty critics who probably struggle with stick figures... I personally do not give a damn about most of it, excepting my daughter's issues, but I will actively pursue those that go out of their way to raise themselves in some small way by stomping on others... I know there are many with lofty goals of just drawings things they like and making lots of money, but that is not real life... never has been... and there are hundreds (if not thousands) of artists that never made it big in their own lifetimes but were posthumously showered with praise and glory, long after they could even enjoy the fruits of their labors... Artists create, those that cannot create will often teach or help others, those that cannot or will not do either, criticize...

[@lilkeyla5769]

0:12 wait a min.. is that Maki from jjk.. yeah i think it is her, the scars, hair and sword

[@KingKygon]

It is

[@pita1000]

At 14:43 im pretty sure that was supposed to be a gun holster type thing. They are commonly worn under the blazers

[@BushAndFence]

14:14 Nanamis fingers not being on the cig is probably an attempt at motion in the piece (when smoking you don’t always have to hold a cig but its true most people wouldn’t leave it there for long hence the hovering hand). Also what you think are suspenders are more of a holster for his weapon so they only show in the front around the shoulder/ armpit so the jacket covering works. The biggest thing that throws me off is the weird shirt “artifacts” lots of reasons I can think why including didn’t care and effect of the way they sketch on their sketches instead of traces.

[@americancheez]

Definitely looks like what you suggest. I think when the fingers hover near a cigarette like that a character is typically inhaling, so the smoke puff makes it feel a bit odd as it suggests exhaling. It’s a subtle thing but can contribute to making it feel ‘off’. The tangents near those fingers also draws unwanted attention in my opinion.

[@mars6233]

20 minutes in, and I'm convinced it's AI.... Crazy, because as an artist, the part that's hardest is rendering, because I already put in so much work. I have a really hard time going over my lines, because I love line art so much, and color is never as beautiful in my eyes

[@scarlett469]

The company asked look for ai to the other artists, so they looked for ai. Saying sketchy/ scratchy lines is ai and tracing, I ffucking do that I draw in scratches am I tracing?

[@weezyf775]

i dont understand..how did he "prove" he didn't use AI for his previous drawings? one can be a capable artist but choose to trace AI generated images..?

[@G_zuz]

The problem is people who barely know how AI works are claiming random things to be AI I've seen people even claiming old ahh memes to be "AI generated"

[@dansp7042]

8:06 “He’s actually capable of drawing very nice hands.” Funny you say that because while the right hand looks decent the left hand looks like a webbed frog foot. His hands are terrible foundationally. For his “good” hands he either looked at his own hands or used a clear reference image. For his “bad” hands he didn’t put in close to that level of effort.

[@lizzie6946]

I hate how they DEMANDED evidence from him publicly. As an artist that is so embarrassing and insulting. I hope he doesn't work with them anymore.

[@honeyfungi]

Yeah they put pressure on the artist to do what they say or else they'd look guilty if they didn't. Not great, that didn't need to be made public.

[@coefficient-x]

It doesn't take to be an artist to know it's embarrassing

[@ritam2802]

I don't think it's necessarily ai, but didn't someone in the og Twitter post show proof that Zuyu has traced their art from other artists? This would also explain their messy lineart and nonsensical design elements (things melting into eachother etc).

[@Mighty.Matcha.]

I’ totally believe this, bc their fashion choices honestly look exactly the same as other pictures with no other elements added to it, I don’t see a lot of original creative directions.

[@Kruhee]

First off, lol no-you don’t always have to constantly hold the cigarette. It’s a personal choice. Some people hold it in different ways, while others let it hang from their lips, occasionally removing it to ash. Also, the "vest" is a shoulder holster so it makes sense. In regards to the written comment: "No artist ever forgets the time they drew the thumb on the wrong side, forgot a finger, or added a finger." That’s completely wrong! They’ve admitted they aren’t an artist, so why even include that in the 'proof' document? So weird for them to say that, stick to what you know my guy. But ultimately, what Iced Tea Aesthetics did here wasn’t just irresponsible; it was outright damaging. They dragged on and on with their so-called "proof", only to offer a lackluster apology when proven wrong. Sure, they gave money, but that doesn't repair the damage, do you accept a purse from your SO after they slap you? You shouldn't... If I were the artist, I wouldn’t work with them again. And if I were another artist considering a commission from them, I’d seriously reconsider.

[@muffindrawzz]

"Drawing lines in the clothing for where shadows will fall is very common in tracing" oh brottthhheeerrrrrrrrr. I always draw clothing crease lines or sketch in where clothing shadows will be because it helps me visual it once I color it in. A majority of artists do this exact thing. People are forgetting where AI gets its training from. Spoiler Alert: Human artists

[@clementinetea252]

It’s tricky. I think the default accusation is that an artwork is entirely AI generated, when it’s entirely possible that even if a piece is handmade, AI was either used as reference or traced. You should always use reference when you don’t understand something, but it is unfortunately becoming common to reference AI art as a means to cut corners. And from the wording of the artist’s apology, it sounds like that’s what they were doing. Hopefully it’s an important teaching moment for them.

[@girlsensation]

imo sometimes AI references may be out of the artist's control since that depends on the place they're looking their references for. On Pinterest there's loads of AI-generated stuff that are starting to look like real human art, and the artist may have used them unintentionally. That being said, it's really hard to analyze whether art today is made by AI or not. I think the best references for artists right now are REAL pictures rather than art for now, since those are photographed and are easier to analyze whether it's AI generated or not (usually AI "photographs" are very very smooth with less noise)

[@DieezahArts]

It's not always a matter of choosing AI as a reference to cut corners but rather a bigger problem of having more AI generated images popping up in your search results when you're looking for anything to use as a reference. They're everywhere, now. In image banks, on Pinterest, Instagram... and they're not always labeled as such, so it's an easy mistake to make.

[@DevoDude]

For 13:35 I believe Nanami has just let go of his cigarette, or is reaching for it. Honestly, it's a pose more common than you'd expect.

[@Bloomkyaaa]

Looks like they use AI as a base for their art and in the end it's just another generic Instagram anime style honestly... Honestly not even worth the hullabaloo. Iced Tea Aesthetics should NOT have called out the artist publicly like that. And I would not recommend supporting them.

[@m_6nus]

Her cigarette argument with the fingers was honestly so silly 😂 it’s obvious that his hand is in motion towards/away from the cigarette like?? Girlie doesn’t need to be a smoker to understand that

[@playabledance]

I personally think it looks like he does use a.i but only him and god knows the real truth.

[@zeynepkosoglu]

the weird thing is that they are tracing and/or painting over ai art but not realizing the wrong elements and not fixing them atleast. if you can render like that you could realize the mistakes ai makes yk

[@ElidaeDanh]

Being accused of being a Ai artist just sounds like an insult, cuz every ai art just looks like badly photoshopped photos😭

[@xxghastlytonerxx]

Really? I feel like most AI art looks better than most human art nowadays, I realized that when I was looking for references for a character and legit the only useful references that could accurately capture the character from different angles consistently were official art or AI generated art, and like a handful of unofficial human artists, soon AI will generate better hands and anatomy than the average artist still trying to get over those hurdles, at the very least AI art is better than performative art where rich people throw paint at each other to launder millions of dollars

[@ElidaeDanh]

@@xxghastlytonerxx I mean all ai works like a search engine, it is basically a bunch of peoples art or photos edited together

[@Sonaka_]

i tend to keep my line art pretty sketchy mainly because i really like straight from a sketch book look. and i just feel like my stuff looks ugly the few times i do clean lines. its a personal thing

[@who2449]

Sadly, just because someone can draw without AI assistance doesn't mean they always do... Some of Zuyu's works look human made while others look AI-assisted (not fully AI generated), so it's difficult to give a definitive answer. Hopefully Zuyu will publish more speedpaints than one.

[@g0th3artz]

None of them look like they're ai, I'm going to be so real right now.

[@blairfujin]

@@g0th3artz not fully generated but there are fragments that do seem to be based off ai-generated reference (though some of those spots may be just a result of trying to trace over a really low res reference photo...)

[@K.L.-]

@@g0th3artz those hands are def sus. No artist who knows anatomically correct hands really well (unless all his previous pictures had traced hands) would let those hands pass in a final piece. Not to mention odd details like collars having random extra jagged points. If it was a rough I would understand but this is final work - imagine him putting final line art to highlight those irregularities. It’s bizarre. His render style is so good at highlighting what looks like crisp perfection yet he makes these weird inconsistencies and goes over them with line art without questioning it? I can only speculate that he rushed to get pieces out because he is not as experienced at composition and line art as he is in rendering. His process consists of (which he mentioned) a ton of reference building and that is a slow process. I have a similar process so that part I can relate to, especially when he continued to bring up the part about him still learning (which is completely okay). But if you know you’re slow, maybe don’t accept so much work, forcing you to resort to using something that messes with your integrity as an artist. Anyway, Zuyu is the only one who knows what he did. At his level, he can provide proof of course, that he makes his own art. I have no doubt he does. But can he prove why those specific pieces had AI elements? He hasn’t. So we will never truly know. All I know is as an artist myself, it doesn’t make sense, so I go with my gut on this one. And I think he got away with it.

[@g0th3artz]

@@K.L.- except he doesn't know hands well. There is not a single piece where the hands don't have errors in them. Rendering and anatomy are different skills. His hands are constantly bad. That's that.

[@LaNoir.]

@@g0th3artz you must be new to the art industry.

[@giulianabrunamasmitja4981]

If it looks too perfect its AI, if it doesnt, its AI. Let´s admit half the times you can´t know if its AI, and we artists can´t just save screen recordings of every piece because thats a lot of pointless GB. If you don´t trust your artist anymore don´t hire them anymore, if you think you have been cheated, go to a lawyer.

[@sephirothschestmole]

as an aspiring artist this whole video is super unsettling

[@ukuotuscoffinowl]

So many uncanny valley bloopers that no artist probalby wouldn't do. Artist probablly added Nanami a under arm holster, though I still would have questions like it would probably have more straps than that.

[@TsukihimeUsagi]

Not me getting an ad to “✨improve your app with generative ai✨” 😭😭😭😭😭

[@GinaPringle]

"no smoking gun", 15:40 bosom focussed fetish image, has corgi pushed up into one sides breast- yet the chest has no reflection of that action in the image, this artist can draw complicated subject matter yet has disregarded this feature on a piece so heavily focussed on the bust? I don't see how they managed that if not being not very good at fundamentals in the first place lol but okay.

[@GinaPringle]

8:28 thumb nail drawn on the palm side of thumb also, does the "artist" actually care about their reputation should be a question you ask in this series? Unsure why you bothered putting @fnyltlqueer's comment with what they're posting, was it to show the hypocrisy of their comment?

[@axelwarriorvs]

Yeahhh, I mean... It's cool that they made an art piece all on their own and recorded it, but... It doesn't share any of the issues that people were pointing at in the first place? Not sure why everyone is immediately dismissing all accusations based on this - they still might have used AI for the other artworks (and to me, it still looks like they did, because the new art does not look like AI at all). Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.

[@sanctionss]

the recording of him drawing that one art piece also looks sketchy to me.. he immediately started drawing the lineart with no initial sketch, he knew exactly where the folds were before he even drew the entire clothing, which is a bit odd to me. he also used a direct reference which also doesn’t prove anything, he obviously knows how to draw so it’s not hard to draw from a reference? definitely needs more evidence, i’ve looked through his twitter and im not buying it.

[@aga3852]

I am an artists who usually uses their sketch as their finally lines (usually cleaned up quite a bit but still all in one layer). Having a sketchy line art and being sussed out by it is SO messed up.