Vtuber Getting BULLIED For Being TOO GOOD

[@MooMooClover]

oh hey, dats me

[@Runzi333]

Don't let the jerks get you down!! You seem very sweet and I hope this doesn't get too rough on you! ❤ Keep at it!

[@Wolf_sniffle]

I do have a question. Did you know you was doing everything right? If so how? Like have you posted before?

[@MooMooClover]

@@Wolf_sniffle I honestly spent a lot of time doing research before I started. Including watching Kaliente's videos, actually!! I don't have any background in marketing but, there's so much good information out there that, I just followed the general advice I found that was consistent and rolled with it! Plus, I have folk in my IRL space that ain't afraid to give me healthy feedback for improvement so, that has helped a bit too. For example, my first video was me recording my tablet from my phone with a TTS voiceover. My cousin point blank told me to "screen record next time and use your actual voice so it looks cleaner and feels more personal." Things like that helped a lot

[@Radientzone345]

The MVP, get that 🍞

[@fadlanal-amsi9839]

oh hey

[@VinhKyVT]

Clover had a large following on TikTok and other social media platforms, she decided to stream on Twitch recently SO her community from other social media have come to support her. The ones in the comments complaining about her are the toxic ones we don't like to be around. People being jealous for no reason, people bullying for no reason. Clover is amazing, and I am one that followed her on TikTok and IG, her numbers are large on there. Plus the unique, cute accent, and sweet personality she has is fun. Her art is also so fucking cute.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

No one is hating on them, most seem skeptical by how fast they grew. I would be too if I didn't know about the other platforms she was on, it is just a simple misunderstanding I think, tbh I wish more people knew about the method so they would understand what she did.

[@patapixel]

@@zoekittenxvx57 why are you replying to literally every comment about this? clover started from zero followers on tiktok and i followed them at like, 100 followers. they went through their entire process learning how to rig on tiktok and honestly, the combo of cow and southern accent is pulling in people more than usual. there's nothing wrong with how fast they grew if you knew how tiktok can explode someone's popularity.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

@@patapixel Bc I see waaaay to much about hate and not skepticism... I do not see how no one else is seeing this. Also I wanted to reply to those ones, sorry about the comment thing. Some also seem jealous but not hateful to me.

[@neondemons]

@@zoekittenxvx57 Less skepticism and more accusation.

[@Tenshii_Artii]

To be fair, I wouldn’t say that for these people, that they are jealous for no reason. People who take it too personal, or who try to gain recognition. Then this person comes in and gets views. Then they just kind of snap? People be getting frustrated or exhausted that they are trying as much as they can, but not getting anything out of return. I don’t know what they are like, but some people can actually get passive-aggressive jealous. Then you get people who are just really paranoid or suspicious on the get-go. And the trolls who just want to be a nuisance. I’m not in the V-Tuber community and this is the first time I’ve heard of her. I don’t have anything against them, and I think their avatar is rather cute. But there is just no way that people are being jealous for no reason. Some of those people kind of suck enough, that they decide to take their jealousy out on others instead of dealing with it in a healthy way.

[@raviolibirb8009]

So... They hate when vtubers are terrible people and participate in dramas, but they also hate when vtubers are...good people? What do they even want atp

[@Anova_Fpe2]

Idk. They're like "OH, I HATE YOU, YOU'RE TERRIBLE, YOU PARTICIPATE IN DRAMA!" but they're also like "YOU'RE NEW, WHY ARE YOU GROWING SO FAST?!"

[@scarletsletter4466]

She has a unique model plus a beautiful regional accent that’s underrepresented online. That draws interest & attention automatically.

[@NutCase]

I found Clover cause of a model she did for another streamer I followed. She has been NOTHING but sweet and cheery in every interaction I've seen her do. She seems like a fun person and I really hope she enjoys her time as a vtuber!

[@zoekittenxvx57]

Do you have this video? If so I would love to see the work in progress!

[@ickicki]

"Other's are not responsible to dim their light in order to make you feel more comfortable" Gonna use that forever. Very well said.

[@jacerlab]

What clover did was genius! Good branding, had a fan base before streaming and is just genuinely funny and nice. The best thing to do is create a fanbase before you start.

[@brandonhowell5096]

what about those who also have other fan bases the same size and or bigger then clovers and don't grow like that?

[@rigen97]

@@brandonhowell5096 then maybe livestream isn't what their fanbase wanted maybe they just want structured or short content instead you gotta know your audiences and your abilities, people that do short contents don't automatically become good streamer and vice versa maybe they just gotta git gud

[@Indiana_Minotaur]

"Clover is doing everything right with the other social media platforms" is exactly why I was one of the many who supported and even congratulate Clover on her success on Twitch. Diversifying and having a presence on the big social platforms is so important because when or if you make the jump to Twitch, KZbin, etc. whatever platform you haven't touched. Your audience will follow you , especially if you built up your community and presence so very well

[@Ryusangel]

Just reading the title alone has me so confused, I swear you literally can’t win in the vtuber community 😭 Edit: Idk why people are mad, Obviously they were going to blow up quickly because they already had existing platforms. That happened to me on my old KZbin channel because I already had people who watched me. Not boting just prior audience and luck.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

Tbh no one seems mad to me, just skeptical which is understandable, tbh I wish they learned to spread around their videos more like Clover did so Clover would not get these comments.

[@marjanulchoudhury8813]

I haven't watched the whole video YET but why would someone get hate for being to good reading the title is just like why are they getting hate they did nothing wronge

[@LesbianTill]

@@zoekittenxvx57one of my friends followed Clover when this happened and there were a LOT of “using bots smh” type comments

[@zoekittenxvx57]

@@marjanulchoudhury8813 I think they didn't know about her other accounts.

[@doghugs6840]

its not vtuber community the pattern i see here is usually the "vtweeters" and even those people arent considered real vtubers cuz all they do is tweet and want to act like content creators/some internet celeb but then dont even stream or post offline content. its like a lemon trying to hide its sour.

[@linlupin]

I do think luck was involved in a teeeeeny tiiiiny bit at least over on tiktok, their first video popped up on my FYP back when it was their ONLY video, and even then it was doing really well. Clovers content is adorable (including Clover themselves), and a lot of hard work of course and that effort should not be discredited in the slightest.

[@SalviAlmighty]

Exactly my thought. Clover absolutely put in the works and deserve the recognition! But saying luck had NOTHING to do with it is a bit naive. Seeing the amount of people who bust their butts all day everyday and never get noticed by algorithms is proof enough. YES, you need to work hard BUT there's also some amount of luck. No one knows what will suddenly go viral online.

[@comajuice]

It's not necessary luck, tiktok has an algorithm based on keeping a viewers attention for a percentage of the video. So if something is shorter, catches attention, etc it spreads. That's what they did. It's how I managed to get my videos picked up by the algorithm as well. You need to keep people long enough on your video, and catch their attention quickly enough to not make them scroll away immediately.

[@Ominvus]

Nah, it's luck if this is Clover very first time in a platform. Clover earned viewers. She busted her ass to get to where she is at today. Clover earned it and the hater are just jealous.

[@fireindahole-777alt]

the followers are the people who follow her on ig and tiktok

[@Ominvus]

@@fireindahole-777alt My point exactly.

[@mevi-smolsummoner]

Her accent remind me of Applejack from MLP

[@lilkeyla5769]

yea same lol she posed a video on apple jack too, ppl prob also made comments abt it

[@within_the_sky2356]

Being able to convert her followers from other platforms to Twitch viewers in 3 stream days is insanely impressive

[@aidencopycat]

as someone who works full time in social media on the corporate side (and part time on the indie creator side), i think this is a fascinating case of someone understanding social media so quickly and using it to their advantage. and they’re clearly passionate about their content which really goes a long way when building an audience!! i am a numbers and stats nerd so i love seeing analytics, but i have seen many content creators get in their heads about the numbers bc they think they’re not growing fast enough or someone else is doing better than them. while numbers can be important metrics to measure growth, i believe that the context that informs those numbers is more important. i understand that for many their content is an extension of themselves so it can be hard to take a step back when they’re so personally invested, but zooming in on the numbers without looking at the bigger picture is ultimately detrimental. i didn’t have an ending thought to this essay but uh great video kat! i always love hearing your thoughts on topics and discussions like this ❤

[@angelopouIos]

I remember a pretty sobering video about envy created by ContraPoints. I think those people being rude to the little cow should look into that 👀 Growing and retaining an audience is one of the toughest parts of content creation (if you want to genuinely make content instead of making a content farm using bots and AI voice overs). It takes a lot of discipline and hard work to do what clover did. Hard work that most people on average are not willing to do

[@justViTV]

I found her on Twitter from that first tweet you showed and WOW it’s crazy how fucked up some of the replies and quote retweets were. She has great branding and an incredible personality, along with having an engaging tiktok account. This kind of success doesn’t happen often, but it can happen.

[@lilkeyla5769]

omg i love their model and accent 6:40 i'll have to check em out, easy search since they commented on here too

[@BookBohemian]

something similar happened to another guy because his artstyle/editing style was similar to a more popular guy and the fact he also blew up quickly

[@redgkat3120]

funny enough, clovers popularity just gave me more inspiration to keep streaming

[@GoobieStar]

I love her 😢 she is so precious and needs protecting. As a fellow cow lover the model is absolutely adorable! My first 2d model which im working on is a highland cow called Alfredo

[@CayoticaArts]

Clover is literally the sweetest little bean ever, her community is sooo wholesome and supportive too. It's crazy how jealousy can affect people.

[@KaoCovey]

Listen, I found Clover at the beginning of their journey. They are absolutely sweet and precious. I’m super happy for them! They deserve this! This isn’t Clover’s fault AT ALL. Now, I made a post, not about clover, but in general. I’ve been streaming for almost 2 years. Here recently, the Vtubing community has been SOO negative. I have tried BUSTING my butt, fighting shadow bans, and so much more. I still can’t help but being jealous. Especially with tweets going around saying things like they won’t watch people if the voice doesn’t match the character. It’s very heartbreaking. Watching people you started streaming with grow, while you sit and try everything you can and not grow. It’s so discouraging when this happens. It’s hard being kind to yourself when you’ve been trying so so so hard. I’ve cried, debated quitting, and so forth. At the end of the day, whether I grow or not, I enjoy what I do. I enjoy playing games and sharing my POV. I am who I am and nothing will change that. Behind the character I am human and human emotions will happen. That being said, good for you clover! Keep on doing what you’re doing!

[@MakkyMaks]

What is up with the vtubing community why is there always beef with someone else 😭😭

[@archangelrapheal5231]

The Vtuber Community is more Toxic than the Art Community and I'm part of the Art community as well

[@nnyako]

Thank you for these videos :) your smooth talking and way with words really help when I try and multitask.

[@PoutyBats]

This is so inspiring if anything, as someone who wants to enter the pngtuber / vtuber world soon Clover is simply doing is right!!!! The tiktok and other platform grind is exactly how you're supposed to do it. Yes, it still takes some luck, but no one can deny they are doing all the work required of them too!

[@feyrune3205]

i think their voice is so nice and calming, finally a vtuber with a functioning mic and no anime UWU baby shit australian accent voice, finally something new, i love it already!

[@jeandutoit1226]

GRRR ITS A NICE PERSON GRRRR 😡😡 - everyone on earth

[@Diogo85]

Not everyone on Earth. 99% of people are not like that.

[@Uncreative_Username]

Hey kat! I just wanted to say that I hope you are doing alright! I've seen that this one KZbinr called Revsaysdesu has been making a lot of hurtful videos about you and I just want to make sure that its not affecting you negatively. Have a great day! :)

[@zoekittenxvx57]

Well her title is misleading, alot of the comments shown just seem confused about their growth and maybe want to learn from it.

[@GummyDinosaursify]

They seem to do a mix of general content and clear ragebait to keep up views, so I wouldn't pay them much mind. If the "male using female vtuber model" shtick wasn't obvious, they consider their channel to be "mostly satire".

[@devilchomps3295]

Rev is a loli defending troglodyte and he thinks "woke" is a thing. Pay him no mind. He's just trying to pertain to the conservatives.

[@brimalt]

isnt that the guy that defended lolicon behavior...

[@zoekittenxvx57]

Yes and no, he mainly was pointing out that she wasn't telling the whole story and making one side out to be the victim when that side started it all. And she said in the video "Some Harassment is deserved" when she should have said: "Just report them and do not interact, do not harass them." because harassment support is wrong. It is in his video and he talks about it.

[@TheBlackHylian]

People are weird. It's clear the growth came from the fact that they are popular on other platforms. Having another avenue to support their fave content creator clearly meant that those numbers were going to reflect on a place that their audience likely frequents as well. Big ups to Clover because growing naturally on Twitch is actually so hard, so for them to have an avenue where they succeeded and to have it carry over is huge!

[@brandonhowell5096]

It doesn't really make it any less luck to get good numbers like that I've seen multiple people go to streaming, in a similar way as Clover, and are no better off then people with no prior following.

[@TheBlackHylian]

@brandonhowell5096 well yes. I also said this on another one of Kat's videos with a similar subject but when you do go into content creation, you are also promoting yourself a brand. If you don't appeal to people as strongly, you won't carry over momentum. Yes, there is luck sometimes, as you and your content could be lightning in a bottle, but that wasn't exactly the case here. Clover just subconsciously has a good grasp on how to promote themselves as a brand on social media and carry on as their most genuine self at all times. It's a blessing in disguise.

[@TheBlackHylian]

This one was more like, she saw that a storm was coming with her content and when she made the jump into said storm, she had a bottle in tow just because she was drinking out of it if the analogy makes sense.

[@brandonhowell5096]

@@TheBlackHylian What about the YT that switch to streaming that have 500k subs and go to streaming and no viewers come over? At the end of the day this is way more luck then not and honestly shouldn't be viewed as something that can be replicable

[@TheBlackHylian]

@brandonhowell5096 still boils into you as a brand. Like Kat said, not everyone will come but a fraction will. Expecting a huge turnaround is wishful thinking. The realistic thinking is knowing people WILL come to see you. Putting a number on it does nothing but breed insecurity and doubt.

[@creativelychandra]

Clover clearly did their homework before they started streaming. Good for them. I hope they continue to grow in the future. 🎉

[@YunaKhii]

Ironically I was making a cow Vtuber model n I was worried that nobody would like the idea because not many have cow themes! Glad to see someone doing well in the herd!!❣️❣️❣️❣️

[@itsatinygamer]

Clover is so sweet and so wholesome. I love her content and I'm so happy for her. I know I struggled to get affiliate so I'm so happy for those I see on social media who also hit affiliate because I know how much of a journey it can be. As much as I struggled I had to keep telling myself that everyone's journey is different and when it's my turn it'll happen and it did. It also helped having a mod who helped me network and connect me with other like minded people (other vtubers, gamers and streamers) who I got to know and we helped hype each other up in one another's streams, liked and shared each other's posts and just helped show much love and support to each other. Even if you don't have a mod it's no problem. Find other content streamers that you like and sit in on their streams, VODs or youtube videos. Chat in their chats, comment stuff you like or funny moments in their videos. You'll get noticed and that's how you help grow your presence and get to know others who can also help you out, even if it's just cheering you on and celebrating your wins, in positive ways. Y'all who are looking to one day get affiliate on Twitch, you got this. ❤

[@ImpactronGaming]

You mean "Moo" good xD

[@JiJi.edits.x]

LMAO W

[@VenatusCattus]

I've been getting their videos constantly on my FYP! This makes me so happy to see them getting success. Also their content is cute, fun, and well-edited! I'm not at all surprised they're doing well.

[@alleosussquirt8041]

I feel like these people are being attacked by Vtweeters, not actual vtubers.

[@zombieskittlesgaming]

That squishy lil moo marshmallow deserves her success 100%. I found her on TikTok after she posted her second video. It was just her talking about the progress she made on her model. It was an instant follow because she was just this humble little cow with the sweetest southern voice. The people that were accusing her of botting are just a bunch sour apples.

[@cinnamojosuke]

Some people don't realize that platforms like tiktok are SUPER important when it comes to growing a community. I got 100 followers in less than three-ish weeks, on an account I rarely use, by making a small amount of fandom content and properly tagging it.

[@WeirdOmens]

I think this will start happening more and more for people. The internet is still relatively a baby and I think we've reached the point where people have seen older content creators problem solve a lot of the initial issues. There's more data and people to study from now to over come some of the challenges from the past and more resources are becoming more accessible for anyone to start this hobby or career. Doesn't mean content creation will no longer require hard work, just means some parts won't be as much of a struggle as before. Gosh, Clover is so stinking cute too.

[@brandonhowell5096]

I feel the opposite I think it'll start getting harder

[@wendychouxx]

This situation is like every random person on the social media, you can start really well out of nowhere

[@NightStarGamer]

I agree. It seems they got to where there at through hard work and effort. Which is great! Clover deserves to be proud, shocked and every other emotion their feeling. Their post about their stats also makes sense. I average like 1 viewer, and a month or so ago, I had my first art stream and got 224 viewers or something like that on KZbin. I only recently got back into streaming mostly on Twitch, late december last year, and this was like my 2nd stream on KZbin. I was so floored by those numbers that I did a post in shock. I understand where and how some might feel jealous, envious, confused, etc, but attacking someone isn't a great way to express those emotions. Learn from them, sit with them, and move on.

[@Scuffed_boiz]

Can’t people just be happy with there success and not have hate

[@Deviciara]

Oh I've seen that! Clover looks like an adorable streamer and is definitely doing a lot right with her content. Her content is memorable and entertaining.

[@Deadlygh0st_tattoos]

The little cow character is so cute 🤩

[@samvara.official]

It’s so real seeing the difference between tiktok/insta and KZbin. I have 1.7 on tiktok and 21 on KZbin. I post the same stuff with the addition of unedited vods on KZbin, but it’ll get 500 views on tiktok and 15 on KZbin. So relatable on any scale.

[@Slipstitched_Magpie]

I had a friend who streamed on twitch and was so upset that they couldn’t get anywhere with it but they had game volume so high you never even knew when they were speaking and didn’t hang out in other peoples chats or do ANY of the things that would get their name out there and any time that was pointed out they’d get mad. Smh

[@toxic_sky6920]

I never knew bout this clover, now that i do i now gotten more determined for my own things lol clover the cow is amazing

[@ilydowa]

I have seen Clover's tts before too, she sounded rly fun

[@zerearts]

whenever i see an artist im jealous of, i go " damn. thats good. they did good. let me retweet it because they deserve the hype i will keep it going " like its really easy to be nice, it takes a lot more energy to be mean

[@bungle_scrungle]

I swear almost the whole VTuber-watching community is insanely toxic (I know there are a lot of nice people that watch us vtubers, but MAN the toxic ones are the ones people usually see)

[@aquapunkvods]

I love clover been following them since they started over on tiktok! they're so cute

[@comajuice]

Oh hey I actually also saw them on tiktok before they debuted i believe

[@HeyitsKyomeiSub]

Admittedly sometimes I get jealous about all that. But it doesnt take away the joy I feel for them. Its not their fault that they make great content and the algorithm is pushing it to all the right people. Im really happy for them. Nobody likes struggling to reach a goal of “Have this many people be glued to your stream as youre just starting out.” Its honestly intimidating.

[@otomeroid]

It is true what they say... Hatred and Jealousy is quite the disease. 🤭

[@rinadart]

Why can’t we just be happy for each other? I understand that there are lots of scammers out there, but let’s not bully an innocent person because others suck sometimes. Especially when the person comes with receipts smh

[@VioletVulpine00]

I've chatted with Clover before, and she's genuinely one of the sweetest people I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with. She deserves all the growth she's gotten and more, I wish her nothing but the best ^^

[@NiilitVRC]

I have climbed the latter from scratch, not knowing anything like I know now. If i actually went in with a great strategy, then this would work for sure. Though not knowing the tools, and went in for the fun of it, I still wouldn't change anything, I had fun doing my head first fun seeking streams.

[@Croakersilent]

She’s such a sweetheart! I love her!! Who the fuck is bullying her?!😢

[@suvimaru]

As a streamer who is about to hit their 2 year mark as a streamer AND affiliate on twitch, I see this as hard work. I found clover on twitter after a mutual commented on her stuff and found her absolutely adorable! I don’t know why so many people have so much hate in their hearts to try and put a bad spin on the success she has received. I literally streamed for a year and a half before I started seeing streams with 5-10 average viewers and not even a couple months later I’ve now hit 1.1k and average 15-20 viewers a stream. It’s about building a community and being someone people can relate to and feel safe with. 💜 I can not wait to see where clover ends up. 💜💜

[@Teddy_Ac]

i love clover! she is absolutely killing it on twitch!

[@NotsilYmerej]

I just assume Clover was a graduated Vtuber who rebranded. But a whole genuine grass roots interest? That’s awesome

[@Poison0aks]

Counter point! It’s far more likely for this to happen to someone in the first few streams, then after like a year. At one point my average CC was 55 😅 this is because it was one of my first streams and I got raided because of a cosplay. Think of streaming averages like grades, it’s not too unbelievable for someone to have a 100 average the first week of school, but requires more work the longer you do it. Now I don’t think this creator is similar to me in how they got their CC, but like it’s not that insane to have a high CC in the first few streams.

[@ranransbakery8126]

17:25 This means clover blocked the person who qrted them, that’s kinda it tbh. Neither one of them blocked you I assume, so this tends to be what happens when the original poster blocks a qrt.

[@AHylianWarrior]

This is such a nothing case and they're not new either, just new to twitch. This is like people getting mad when an artist with a large following on Deviantart moves to Twitter and grows very quickly there because their following moved with them

[@Eszra]

Who is attacking my beloved Clover! I will protect that adorable little cow with my life!

[@allison5591]

I love Clover!!

[@jadedwolvesart]

did i just stop in the middle of this video to follow them... i'll never tell.. lol

[@chrisredfield439]

I really feel sad about this, first time I saw clover was back in august and in an industry where even men want to have a cute anime girl as a profile she chose a cute cow, not even a cat, a dog, a mouse or a hamster, a cow, a highland cow, and that attracted so much attention, she made her own model and shared the process and its a pretty cool model, paired with her north carolina accent it's just so funny to see her interacting with people and games

[@SuccubiVT]

Clover isn't wrong at all for expressing their happiness and their growth, congrats to you Clover hope you'll keep growing !!!

[@magicalstorme5886]

One of the smartest strats I’ve seen is being live on TikTok at the same time you are live on twitch I see it so often now and they always have tons of people watching however I’m not sure if it’s actually allowed or if it goes against twitch tos

[@TheDragolf]

People don't realize there is no growth on Twitch. You grow your audience on other platforms that actually have the potential.

[@jay_thechill4202]

Clovers models are really cute

[@limey24]

Thats twitter which has more haters on smth or some1 elses work, like this turning into a normal day on twitter. If som1 has twitter = haters coming into their accs = it begins

[@be3lzey]

i dont think this is only in the v-tuber community, a lot of the thing Kat is talking about I see a lot in the art community, like when beginner artists start and they improve people start making allegations of tracing or ai use. Me personally I get jealous seeing art creators be better than me but I wont say anything because its not in my place to say anythting

[@Toast189]

They said bullying builds character 😭

[@whatzittooyah9182]

She’s a sweetheart and has a beautiful regional accent that needs to be preserved. Southern drawl is disappearing as the US becomes more linguistically homogeneous. I’ve noticed it with my own regional accent (Philly accent) and I’ve been working over the past few years to keep it and not water (wooder 😆) mine down. I wish her continued success and I hope the haters do not bring her down.

[@boots1622fan]

they actually blew up because of their model giveaway, but also all of the things you said!

[@MooMooClover]

actually, my video on accents was what really popped off on all platforms. My model giveaway did well specifically on Twitter but, to my knowledge, did not drive folk to view my streams. It was my other content that did 🧡

[@boots1622fan]

@MooMooClover darn u.u you're doing good, bud, I'll never understand people who think your growth is fake

[@NevirSurrender]

17:22 i can't really read it in a way that they're just congratulating. It feels like criticism when it's followed up by the "Labelling it as i am brand new, as the header is kinda misleading and demoralising ..." considering that in every form of content they ARE still new. Like if they've been doing content for a year, and just started streaming, i can see how it's "misleading and demoralising" if they call themselves a "new streamer", but their first video was 1 month ago, so if she ain't new, idk what is new anymore...

[@Antennata]

I guess you could say she’s a bit of a four leaf clover

[@BlackViperStudios]

Be happy for Clover! Support! If you feel bad about yourself! Improve! Use it to drive you more! Turn that negative energy and turn it to something positive!

[@Vinity16]

Bro she’s just a cow, and she’s so nice wtf.

[@nightal13]

Honestly, congrats to Clover! They did something that most people have a hard time doing!

[@cowgf]

fear not clover theres always space for you with the cowfolk vtubers!!! 🥺 (i

[@OokamiAri]

Follow Clover, her streams are wholesome!

[@banefury]

clover seems fun to watch. wouldnt have known her if i never saw this video

[@witchlumi]

why can't we just celebrate others' success?

[@omalga]

Don’t be mad at them for being AMAZING, LEARN FROM THEM ! ! !

[@Felinasproductions]

I’m excited for them and I’ll be subscribing to them.

[@igenuine_artz]

This is simply a jealously issue. Why can't we be happy about other people's success...

[@CoconutCoco04]

Vtubers community try not to be problematic or hateful challenge impossible 💀

[@diputston]

I am already inlove with her just by the clips lol

[@Salem-p9d]

SO basically... brainrot and suggestive videos can stay untouched? But when it's about a person who has just grown their content normally without all these fake contents for money, then it's weird looking? 2024 ladies and gentleman, the drama continue!

[@candyjones2671]

Does look very cute and clean.

[@littlemayo4028]

bruh whats w this community man (just based off the title)

[@zoekittenxvx57]

Yeah she is making it sound worse then for what it is, everyone just seems confused on how they grew so fast, I don't think it is hate.

[@BZ1610]

@@zoekittenxvx57 lol I took a look at some of the comments myself and it absolutely comes off as hate. Someone's celebrating milestones and the VERY FIRST THING a good amount of these people are doing are saying it has to be bots? No research, no framing it as a question or asking around, just straight up saying she's botted herself? Hate doesn't have to be name calling and personal attacks, they're being terrible.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

@@BZ1610 Did you see the ones congratulating her on her success? They are confused and skeptical, I get alot can be mean but from the ones she showed were nice and confused, and calling that bullying is just wrong, they just need to be informed about where her following came from and they would understand, and people hate, it is nothing new.. But making innocent people out to be bad is cruel.

[@BZ1610]

​@@zoekittenxvx57 You are 100% on someone's payroll. I saw the positive comments zoekitten, I also saw the haters. I'm not going off of katliente's video only, I went myself to read the comments and quotes because I possess brain cells and media literacy. And they were definitely hating. That is not innocent. I'm not saying they're iredeemably terrible people, I'm saying that it's an awful thing to do to make assumptions, go out of their way to be disingenuous in their praise, to immediately resorting to downplaying and discounting Clover's success. There's a difference between being curious and being a hater. If they wanted to be informed, it's not okay to be trashy in her comments. In 2024, you'd think they would put energy into learning how to google or ACTUALLY look into her accounts. Maybe if they had that much foresight, they wouldn't be stagnant in their career growth.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

@@BZ1610 Hey can you chill for a sec with the whole payroll thing, I am just trying to figure this out and I can't find the original post. And seriously? I get it but I am saying that some seem skeptical and probably seen way too much of botting around to know the difference. Or they don't know about the other accounts. I am just learning about this from the comments alone.

[@MrJayOWhy]

Success on another platform is not guaranteed. I’ve seen creators with thousands, millions struggle. Furthermore I stream and create on KZbin, my views differ massively between them So success on the same platform is not guaranteed 😂

[@vanlynn]

Clover is super sweet!

[@Kyrmana]

Understandable that people are doubtful, but Clover's actually that good 😄

[@Shadow-bunny-official]

I started put with good videos they went viral already with over 100 views its viral to me

[@whoahanant]

It's cause they're all jealous lil babies. That's why people hate with no reason, they're sad and insecure about their own lives and translate that into anger and hate against everyone else in the world.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

Actually most are skeptical not hating, just confused because it usually takes a year or more to blow up like this I think

[@BZ1610]

@@zoekittenxvx57 Do the haters have you on their payroll? You sound like the beginnings of many of the toxic individuals in the vtuber community. Stop downplaying terrible behavior. If anyone of them had a decent bone in their body they'd simply look into the character and it's OBVIOUS why Clover was successful. Imagine putting effort into being awful instead of their own content? RIP.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

@@BZ1610 Is it ok to call confused people haters? I am just saying it is obvious to me that everyone is focusing more on the hate rather then the confused people who want to understand and are very nice. Did you forget about those congratulating Clover? They seem skeptical and confused, are they haters too? That is what I am talking to everyone about, separate the confused from the haters. And no I am not defending any haters, I am defending the innocent and confused.

[@zoekittenxvx57]

@@BZ1610 And FIY I am not downplaying anything, I am just stating the obvious: People are looking for hate rather than ways to help the community understand that Clover got them from other social medias. How is that toxic? Do you prefer they focus on the haters?

[@BZ1610]

@@zoekittenxvx57 Get a grip. Seriously. Even in this video the positive people were showcased. This is SPECIFICALLY addressing the people that were hating. Know the difference. If it doesn’t apply, let it fly, no one who was genuinely happy and expressed positive and well wishes for Clover is going to feel bad by what anyone says because it does not apply to them. We aren’t looking for hate, it was right there, for everyone to see. Just like Clover’s other accounts were in plain view and no one took the time to click and see before spouting off negativity. No one asked you to defend them and you’re doing a really strange job. Why should all of us do the labor of educating people who won’t even educate themselves?

[@DreamingBlindly]

Everyone could have had the same success if they only did what clover did... if we weren't balls of anxiety and self doubt...😅 Learn from Clover. If you want success then do the work, don't just go in and hope for the best. Or yknow just go into twitch without much expectation just be you and slowly build up a more refined stream full of people you actually want to interact with and feel safe with.

[@starry-p]

Having a tik tok presence can definitely help.