Who is the Best Knightmare Pilot in Code Geass?

[@KatoBeyond]

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[@Zero8880]

I always liked how the Japanese Knightmares had cockpits that had forward leaning seats like Japanese crotch rocket motorcycles, while Britanian Knightmares had cockpits that were more western "Harley Davidson" style upright seats.

[@rajaryan4424]

Man thanks for still making Code Geass content, it's my favourate story of all time

[@deejones0071]

What I really got from the video is that if Suzaku and Kallen swapped mechs, Suzaku would have wiped Kallen.

[@Kaptime]

Could argue that Lelouch is actually pretty far up there too actually, with the caveat of only during the time when he was piloting the brand new Gawain + it's "druid system", Rolo can't pilot the equivalent later model on his own when Lelouch had given up on life and he's a professional assassin. The druid system takes two hands typing at 150 wpm on different keyboards, kinda reminds me of Accelerator from toaru, he's extremely OP but his power demands being a massive nerd to use. Suzaku's Geass curse gives him hax and makes him the strongest overall though.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

Lelouch is very much like the king in chess. The king is better than the pawns, but inferior to every other piece. Lelouch is much the same, an above average pilot, but inferior to any real aces.

[@Kaptime]

@@aguywithalotofopinions412 Exactly and in this analogy, Kallen is the Queen piece.

[@Kodiie]

Suzaku, he let himself be defeated at the end as a part of Zero Requiem. On top of that the Geass placed on him (to live) acts as a quasi power up.

[@rustyshackleford1062]

Only because it's placed on Suzaku though. I don't think endgame Kallen would have gotten nearly as much out of being geased to live because she was already determined to live to see a day where she could live with her mother in peace. Suzaku on the other hand was actively sui-cidal and wanted to die, and even when he didn't he had a strict moral code that put his own life near dead last on his list of priorities even before he became sui-cidal. The command to live made Suzaku better by freeing him of his inhibitions and morals that held him back, I dont think it made him a better pilot it just forced him to utilize the skills he already possessed to their fullest and no matter the consequences to those around him whenever his life became threatened. It only made him as powerful as it did because of who he was, incompetent bandana guy from the black nights wouldn't have been able to become an ace if he were given that command because it is beyond his ability, and someone like Kallen wouldn't see the same kind of dramatic spike in ability because she was already determined to live and fighting to the fullest for that, season 2 Suzaku though just wants to die.

[@KraNisOG]

They answer it themselves. Suzaku is the superior pilot, but Kallen has the better Mech.

[@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo]

Suzaku is better pilot only because of the geass

[@vardiganxpl1698]

@@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo Suzaku was always a better pilot. Hell, part of his archetype is being the standard, prodigal ace pilot protagonist of a mecha anime who'd pilot the experimental-prototype new generation mecha. And besides that, in lore, Suzaku was already exceptional as a pilot, so much so, Lloyd only kept him around because he was the only capable pilot they had in the entire empire to test out the Lancelot, though there was Jeremiah, he declined. The geass simply added to Suzaku's already inhuman skills as a pilot and fighter

[@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo]

@@vardiganxpl1698 you know Kallen has equally this feat ? In season 1 , Guren and Lancelot always have the same level and Kallen always did the same performance. In the end of season 1 , Suzaku won with big difficulty and it was because the Lancelot could fly. Kallen was seen like Knight of round level by the other. She litteraly controlled many better version of Guren with 0 difficulty and in little time. She could even become knight of round if she accepted the proposition to become britannian. Kallen and Suzaku always are in same level. They are both the best

[@rustyshackleford1062]

I disagree. I think Suzaku only improved because of the geass because he was Suzaku, a self-sacrificing quasi-pacifist who put his own life near the bottom of his list of priorities even before he developed an ideation towards actively not wanting to live. The command to live forced Suzaku to always strive to survive to the best of his abilities no matter what but I do not think it enhanced those abilities it just stripped away the personal inhibitions that would otherwise limit them. Pre-deathwish Suzaku strove to be so far above other soldiers that he could attempt to spare his opponents in battle more often than not because his whole ideal is to stop the killings while post death wish he's compelled to kill millions of that is what is required for him to continue drawing breath. It is a powerful combat boost for someone like Suzaku who abhores the reality of combat, but it doesn't actually make him a better pilot it just stops his morals and his desire to die from restricting his abilities as a pilot imo.

[@VanvatthuaDecade]

When I looked at the title, I immediately guessed that Suzaku is the strongest Knightmare pilot, because he has a plot armor given to him by Lulu.

[@KnightofRome01]

I am more of a fan of Suzaku, but I believe they are actually equal. In the final battle it was truly a draw, with Suzaku being half a point higher, and Suzaku actually meeting his objective.

[@marcosramirez385]

True. He defeated her and faked his death.

[@billqiu4692]

At the end of the day the fight was lopsided on both ends, Suzaku had the better piloting due to geass but Kallen’s mech was more advanced. It’s still an achievement for both of them to go toe to toe with the other.

[@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo]

​@@marcosramirez385you clearly forgot the plot. Suzaku totally lost and survived by luck

[@coriakacoron5851]

Judging by the last Albion vs. Seiten battle, I'd say Suzaku is way superior Kallen came into that battle fresh and fully capable, while Suzaku had fought with Gino and Xingke and countless other Knightmares for a long time, and was presumably already tired out

[@Silvern7552]

I would say there is a possible Dark Horse for the best Knightmare Pilot. We never actually saw any fighting from them, but Lelouch's mother, Lady Marriane, was a legendary pilot as well and was strong enough that Bismark Waldstein said she was the only person other than Suzaku that saw his Geass. We also know, that although she had a Geass it wasn't related to fighting.

[@icyice845]

Humble origins: Kallen: daughter of the Stadtfeld family, a leading noble house Suzaku: Son of Japan's last prime minister, family still influencial in Japan

[@betterlatethannever4529]

If the command to Live forces Suzaku to fight 100% without hesitation, then it should be considered his full capability as a pilot

[@Zaffr3]

Adding on to the final fight between the 8 Elements and the Albion, Suzaku never used the Energy Wings Scatter Shot attack in the fight. Which imo is easily one of the most devastating attacks the Albion can do even more then a full charge Super V.A.R.I.S Hardron mode (more practical as well). Idk how much energy that attack takes but I think even the 8 Elements/Kallen would have trouble avoiding a constant barrage of that.

[@MyMediaChops]

This is an interesting point, Suzaku uses that attack against Bismarck but not against Gino, Tohdoh, Monica, Dororthea or Xinkge. If Suzaku connected the attack against Kallen it would have definitely damaged her kmf for sure. But I don't think that not using it was a sign of holding back. I have two theories that may both be correct. One based on how Bismarck dodged the barrage in the Galahad, Kallen would have no issues dodging in the Guren S.E.I.T.E.N eight elements considering it's way faster. If his kmf couldn't dodge the attack then it doesn't matter if he could have seen it coming. My second idea is that maybe Suzaku can't move a full speed while using the attack. I noticed that he has to slow down while using it. Bismarck probably dodged the attacks because Suzaku couldn't charge at him at full speed while using the attack at the same time. Anyways just my take on but I like your interesting observation here.

[@Zaffr3]

@MyMediaChops Your observation is fair too. I only brought up my observation cause in Lelouch of the Resurrection the Suzukau in the Lancelot SIN used that attack against Shalio in his Nagid Shu Mane. It was near the end of the fight when Suzuku was literally in the same situation with the fist of the Lancelot jammed it into the Nagid Shu Mane (the same as the final attack against the 8 Elements) asking Shalio to surrender. Shalio doesn't and tries to get a hit on the Lancelot SIN only to get shredded with the Energy Wings Barrage Attack. So theoretically while being a very dangerous and risky move Suzaku before he got his energy wings ripped off or even during when they were getting ripped off could have just close range shotgunned the 8 Elements full stop at point-blank range and I don't think Kallen even with her faster and more advanced 8 Elements wouldn't be able to avoid something like that.

[@cephery8482]

@@MyMediaChops i feel like it’d still be plenty easy for him to lure kallen in with an opportunity to grab him and then use the barrage to at least disable the wave surger, which if done early enough would totally sway the fight in his favour. I think more likely is it just can’t penetrate shielding. So the whole fleet of grunt frames in the background of his fight vs the knights got turned int mincemeat but the knights themselves had enough defence.

[@MyMediaChops]

@@cephery8482 I like theoery the Guren S.E.I.T.E.N eight elements wings are a powerful shields so that could explain it. One thing to consider is if the blast isn't that strong why did Suzaku even use it against Bismarck? I also wonder if Suzaku could also take too much damage if he lures Kallen to attack him. One direct hit to his kmf without the blaze luminous shield and it's over. It might not be worth the risk. In general I don't consider closing the gap against Kallen a good strategy. It did work for the original guren but this new one is much stronger. At the end of the battle shows just how badly it could have gone for Suzaku early on if he tried to lure her in. But i like my theory more because visually we see the attack is too slow to hit the Galahad.

[@cephery8482]

@@MyMediaChops i say it’s pretty weak cause in re;surrection (technically different timeline but very similar powerscale) he only used it to finish off shalio after crippling it normally, and doesnt in open combat. As for bismark, honestly could just be him mindgaming his geass, if bismark sees suzaku about to do it he’ll assume suzaku isnt doing something ineffective so dodge, but if it was a feint he’s just moved into where suzaku wants him.

[@commander1suv492]

What about the Chinese dude who beat Lelouch in tactics and had the purple nightmare that nobody could control?? He was also the Chinese princess' Knight or protector or whatever. Shinkay ... right??

[@elmichellangelo]

if it was the Suzaku that went on the killing spree against Bismark & Co and without the zero requiem, Kallen would have been done for regarless of nightmare frame.

[@kpetalis]

The Geass command in my opinion is a not a real component in comparing the two. Most people take the command as something that empowers Suzaku, when in reality it does not. The command is something that simply allows him to use his abilities to the fullest extent even if he would choose not to. Let me make it a little clearer. Suzaku wishes to die. He is suicidal and wants to die in order to atone for his perceived sins. Even if he claimed that he fought with everything he had to defeat his opponents and win, that's not true. In every battle, in every fight he always fought just enough to defeat his opponent but never fiercely and with conviction like we see Kallen do. The only battle that Suzaku ever fought with the intent to win was during the battle of Tokyo in episode 24 of season 1. And at that fight, as was shown in the video above, he dominated the fight against everyone, including Kallen. Here's where that above distinction comes into play. That battle was the only time we saw the full extent of Suzaku's true abilities as a pilot. All other fights, he just tried to fight enough to claim that he did his best, but his opponent had a better machine and so he can just give up and finally die without regrets. The "live" command forces him to fight at his best all the time. It allows him to fight while always making the best decisions to survive. What he managed to do by the end of the series, is simply learn how to harness that command and use it as a "spider sense" in a way. By pure will power, he resists the warning and fights at peak performance while using that sense to try and avoid death. But the skill and talent is all him. There is nothing artificial, it is simple raw talent. And he has a lot of it. And as for the fact that Lloyd and Cecile didn't give the Guren to Suzaku, that was Suzaku's decision. It wasn't that Suzaku couldn't handle it. It was simply that Suzaku already had a custom made and calibrated machine that he could use. The upgrades to Guren was something that they did simply because they could, and also Lloyd's way of messing with Raksata's machine. They didn't do those upgrades to Guren to actually use it on the battlefield. It was more of a test model for them. So in the end, this was something that was made clear in the anime. Suzaku is the better pilot and overall fighter, but Kallen has the best machine in the anime making them almost equal in the end. But in the end the win goes to Suzaku because in the last fight Suzaku was the one that walked away with the win. The Guren was disabled, it's pilot was out of the fight and he successfully faked his death. The fact that he fought only to disable and still managed this even if he lost the Lancelot in the end speaks volumes for the end result of this contest.

[@S_29]

Thanks bro for Keeping code geass content alive 👍

[@ninjammer726]

please do a video essay on code geass mech designs

[@trevsoda]

i just finished rewatching this a month ago but this vid is making me want to start episode 1 up again

[@futurelady8480]

Kallen for sure

[@SunlightGwyn]

She lost every fight against Suzaku except the last one which was a draw. Suzaku was better.

[@KraNisOG]

@SunlightGwyn Suzaku purposly had to take an L right there so that they could do the Zero Requiem. If anything you can say he won because of how convincing he was.

[@takatotakasui8307]

@@SunlightGwyn Kallen handed Suzaku a couple Ls

[@GutsOfRivia]

She lost to Suzaku every time dispite him holding back not to kill her.

[@GutsOfRivia]

​@@takatotakasui8307in fights where he didn't want to kill her. So I don't really think those are true Ls

[@code.c.]

People can talk about "plot armor" in terms of the high probability of one or both pilots dying at the other’s hand after this string of encounters, but I think the entire point is that the events of Code Geass working out in the way they did is supposed to be presented as unlikely. In order for circumstances that can change history to arise, one must thread a needle in the haystack. And for the circumstances between these two pilots anyways, that needle is the continuity in which both of them live long enough to change allegiances and convincingly fake Suzaku's death on the battlefield for the sake of the Zero Requiem, without Kallen being able-bodied enough thereafter to otherwise thwart Lelouch’s plans.

[@isakandersenjohansen212]

1. Kallen and her Guren Nightmare Frame 2. Suzaku and his Lancelot Nightmare Frame

[@thetravelerkureno1371]

I thought you were gonna say the pizza robot was the best robot for a second lmao😭 Loved this breakdown of their fights!!

[@hache4329]

I’d honestly call them dead even. Kallen had better specs but the live command allowed Suzaku to bridge the gap. Kallen has a higher power ceiling with more room for error but Suzaku is flawless with what he has.

[@brianlowe904]

Suzaku for sure.

[@pre-usedphantom7397]

Suzaku is shown to be the most capable fighter in the show, inside or outside of a mech

[@ToxToxiq]

Both of them are great pilots! Perhaps Suzaku has had more military-based training tho. But I think, to determine the winner in a fair fight, we would need to give them both the same Knightmare Frame first.

[@LoliGarden]

I know you probably had this video planned out for a while but it’s funny timing since I just saw a Reddit thread talking about this

[@icew0lf136]

so ive actually put some time into this thought (buddies and i would debate it a lil) ill start with i like the points made in the video. for example i hadnt put that much thought in that Suzaku wasnt really trying to hurt Kallen in the last fight. But in all honesty i think Kallen was the better pilot. Theres a few points i have for this. 1. She beat suzaku with his geass buff when they were basically equal (which in my mind if that was completely fair I.E. her having the same geass order or him not having it wouldnt have happened.) 2. They didnt even consider Suzaku to pilot the 8 elements (this is the big one) They said they had no devicer at the time who could even begin to aproach what the 8 elements could do, then in that very fight Kallen single handedly turns that fight around (even if it was only say a 50-70% usage in the mech as im not trying to say she was maximizing it) which ties into her having the better capabilities as a devicer. The thing that equals them both out in my mind is the geass order to draw out his latent potential. I do like how you made me reconsider this with the whole him not trying to kill her but disable at the end there. Ultimately though i think i have to give it to Kallen and i would put the ending to the geass order being what made him capable of not killing her. All this being said im also a Kallen fan boy so it could be just favoritism.

[@kpetalis]

The Geass command in my opinion is a not a real component in comparing the two. Most people take the command as something that empowers Suzaku, when in reality it does not. The command is something that simply allows him to use his abilities to the fullest extent even if he would choose not to. Let me make it a little clearer. Suzaku wishes to die. He is suicidal and wants to die in order to atone for his perceived sins. Even if he claimed that he fought with everything he had to defeat his opponents and win, that's not true. In every battle, in every fight he always fought just enough to defeat his opponent but never fiercely and with conviction like we see Kallen do. The only battle that Suzaku ever fought with the intent to win was during the battle of Tokyo in episode 24 of season 1. And at that fight, as was shown in the video above, he dominated the fight against everyone, including Kallen. Here's where that above distinction comes into play. That battle was the only time we saw the full extent of Suzaku's true abilities as a pilot. All other fights, he just tried to fight enough to claim that he did his best, but his opponent had a better machine and so he can just give up and finally die without regrets. The "live" command forces him to fight at his best all the time. It allows him to fight while always making the best decisions to survive. What he managed to do by the end of the series, is simply learn how to harness that command and use it as a "spider sense" in a way. By pure will power, he resists the warning and fights at peak performance while using that sense to try and avoid death. But the skill and talent is all him. There is nothing artificial, it is simple raw talent. And he has a lot of it. And as for the fact that Lloyd and Cecile didn't give the Guren to Suzaku, that was Suzaku's decision. It wasn't that Suzaku couldn't handle it. It was simply that Suzaku already had a custom made and calibrated machine that he could use. The upgrades to Guren was something that they did simply because they could, and also Lloyd's way of messing with Raksata's machine. They didn't do those upgrades to Guren to actually use it on the battlefield. It was more of a test model for them. So in the end, this was something that was made clear in the anime. Suzaku is the better pilot and overall fighter, but Kallen has the best machine in the anime making them almost equal in the end. But in the end the win goes to Suzaku because in the last fight Suzaku was the one that walked away with the win. The Guren was disabled, it's pilot was out of the fight and he successfully faked his death. The fact that he fought only to disable and still managed this even if he lost the Lancelot in the end speaks volumes for the end result of this contest.

[@ItsShaz1]

I think both of them are really good pilots!

[@Kubinda12345]

Marianne Bismarck used his Geass twice; once again Suzaku who had 2 KMF generation advantage (Lancelot Albion the 9th, Galahad the 7th) over him and against Marianne who had no combat Geass and presumably had the same generation KMF as Bismarck. And yet he still lost against her. So basically Marianne's abilities were de facto equal to 2 generation KMF advantage.

[@abedelrahmanqudih4724]

Lelouch's mother of course

[@ava_maria]

I dont agree with your argument that Suzaki wins at 10:30 because avoiding lethatlity gave him a disadvantage. A huge part of the show is how his moral compass is a weakness, even if it is noble

[@KatoBeyond]

Doesn't him winning with a disadvantage mean he's the better competitor?

[@ava_maria]

@@KatoBeyond the best I’d concede is it’s a tie. They both achieved their goals for the fight. Ultimately Kallan is the physical win like you said. But i think that’s only half your strength. The mental game is where he was utterly destroyed. Suzakus “fix it from the inside” idea of justice has been completely abandoned at this point. He physically lost here, but mentally lost long before. Even if kallen DIED here, the strategic victory is in her and Zeros favor as he has been mentally dominated. I concede a tie as this mental domination is mostly Lelouches doing, but idk she’s on his team so a win is a win lol. The phrase “mentally dominated” is cringe but I hope I explained myself well 😂

[@venkataranganj915]

Sorry in mind correct answer is Marianne vi Britannia / Marianne Ashfort

[@_carlito_5367]

Suzaku ultimately won the last fight. Kallen’s goal was to get to Lelouch, Suzaku was his last line of defense, and Suzaku knew that. He’d take Kallen down at any cost as long as he lived coming out of the fight.

[@nahte123456]

I think in general my top Pilots are Suzaku=Marianne, slightly above Kallen=Bismark, although it's hard to tell because, as you touched on, there's basically no fight in the series where the mechs are equal and both are fresh. Even at the end Kallen had the better mech and I'd argue Suzaku did more in the fight before, leaning the fight in Kallen's favor before their piloting skills are even brought in. I did put Suzaku and Marianne on the same level though as they both beat a Geass Bismark and they both clearly parallel each other the same way Lelouch and Charles and C.C. and V.V. do. But as we never see Marianne really fight all out that's just my guess from the parallels and how Bismark talks about them both. Shout out to Lelouch I will say though, just because I think his skills are underrated. Not to say he's Suzaku/Kallen level but generally he does win his fights and he pretty much always uses specialized Knightmare's that other people just flat wouldn't be able to pilot to any real effect. If he actually trained and got a more combat oriented frame I think he could be pretty up there. Also obligatory calling out of Gino, Xing-ke, and Jeremiah, all also have some great fights and good showings but none really on the level of Suzaku/Kallen/Marianne/Bismark.

[@jeff3221]

It's kinda finnicky talking about them by the end of the series. If we put the two in equal frames and without the Geass buff, Kallen is blatantly the better pilot. However, this comparison is pretty pointless because, well, Suzaku is cursed with the buff. So now, in equal machines, Suzaku is the superior pilot. But, they never fight in equal frames. SO now, Kallen in the 8 Elements and Spinzaku in the Albion, they're even. The 8 Elements was a better machine which equaled out the Geass Buff. Tldr: Suzaku is the better pilot by the end of the series

[@rustyshackleford1062]

The buff basically amounts to Suzaku not being suicidal though, who is to say how big a difference there would actually be in a genuinely nonsuicidal non-geased Suzaku who is actually trying his genuine best to win and suicidal death wish Suzaku who is forced to try his best to win against his will because of the geass. I don't know, they are both great pilots but personally I don't think the command to live actually gave Suzaku any piloting skills he didn't already have, it just forced him to fight to live even when it goes against everything he stands for (launching the fleia) and when he's so traumatized and broken that without it he'd lay down and die just to put an end to it all.

[@invidatauro8922]

It's a close fight. I think that Suzaku comes out on top, but only slightly. Like if they fought 10 times on equal ground with the same knightmare, Suzaku would win 6 out of 10 times.

[@cephery8482]

I think there are 3 answers depending on what you count. If you want to count machine specs (cause you do need to be a better devicer to pilot something like the seitwn) for who wins, it’s a tie. The final fight showed clearly If you wanna take who’s a better pilot with only kallen and suzaku on their own then suzaku wins, kallen states in the final fight she has better specs but suzaku can make up the difference. If you dont count his geass because it’s not technically his own ability empowering him, kallen wins. Kallens raw piloting ability is how she is able to be a devicer for the seiten when suzaku couldn’t. Comparing all 3- it’s a tie overall. Just how it should be.

[@SunlightGwyn]

Kallen was the hottest pilot and that’s all that matters.

[@stefanocremonini2656]

Kallen wasn't amped by Geass and she defeated him.

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

Just imagine how powerful Kallen would be with Geass live command with the Guren Type Special from Ressurection.

[@stefanocremonini2656]

@@ryanrodriguez2498 holy shit. Armageddon Kallen.

[@cesare_1302]

Fair analysis tho by your own logic Kallen still win the damocles fight due to suzaku using the geass curse to survive. ON a sidenote the ganymede always buged me bc it's supposed to be the unit of maryanne which was a great pilot according to bismarck. But it was made before the yggdrasil drive as you mention. So it was an effective frame by virtue of what? Fancy maneuvers?

[@ebynblade3323]

I feel saying the guren mk2 basic being better than the lancelot is debatable cause while the radiant surger can be a one tap it was very much a game of tag. Can Suzaku aim to destory it before kallan can get a death blow. To which considering he has 2 mva blades and a varis does help give those odds if needed. Suzaku also has better overall maneuvering thanks to 4 slash harkens for a fight that he can use for the environment. So the fact is that imo it leans to more a tie overall

[@CaptainAce847]

Kallen was really strong especially in that final fight but personally, I have to give it to Suzaku simply because Kallen lost her consciousness and was falling to her death while Suzaku lived from an exploding Lancelot indicating that he was conscious enough to escape. Even if there wasn't a cliff there, Kallen would still be knocked out and Suzaku could easily kill her. The battle was also heavily situational as the video pointed out so I think that one is stronger than the other based on the conditions of the battle.

[@RuzzyID]

Kallen and Suzaku are equally matched imo, none of them peak above eachother, they're literal equals, Kallen would've eliminated him during the usage of the Fleija if his Geass command didn't save him. As in for a top 3? Kallen and Suzaku tie in at 1, Lelouch for 2nd seeing as he changes a tide of a battle with the usage of Shinkiro and honestly, Akito or Tohdoh.

[@rustyshackleford1062]

I think Suzaku wins by a hair regardless of geass. I don't think the command to live actually gave Suzaku a straight skill buff, it just forced him to always strive to live to the best of his abilities in a time where he was actively suicidal and chasing death. I don't think that if the incompetent black knight with the bandana (cannot remember his name) were given that command that he would suddenly become an elite pilot for instance, or that Kallen who was already determined in her convictions would see any real boost in her abilities if she were under the geass because then it would just be reinforcing a desire that Kallen already has to see the wars through so that her and her mother can live in peace. All the command to live really did for Suzaku was to free him of his inhibitions and moral stop gaps. It forces him at the lowest point of his life where he wants for nothing more than to not exist because all of his ambitions seem failures to instead fight to live to the fullest extent of his abilities, it drives him to commit atrocities such as nuking millions of others to live if necessary when again he'd rather die, that's why Lelouch' last words to him are a reinforcement of that that he is "cursed to live on" because doesn't force him to be the best it just forced him to always do his best to survive against all odds like he already did in the beginning of the series when he was so above the rank and file that he could actively choose not to kill his opponents on the regular because his whole purpose was to stop the killing, to be good enough that he doesn't have to kill.

[@nick25oo]

I am on team suzaku because even in the final fight kallen admit that her mecha was straight better and that she should be winning the fight. Plus the the live geass wasn’t really a hard amp for suzaku, it just makes him try hard in fights and that not really cheating. Suzaku was always shown to be the better pilot throughout the story but kallen was always right behind him, also suzaku just got better feats in the story.

[@omgjlmiub]

Didn’t watch the video, but it’s Suzaku.

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

How about Lancelot Sin vs Guren Type Special? The new 9th generation KMF in Ressurection. This rivalry definitely is awesome and it’s hard to say who would win. Depending on the their points and arguments, okay I can see either Suzaku or Kallen win with extremely high difficulty

[@BenthovenMusic95]

I'm more of a Kallen fan but I think Suzaku is superior. Granted, I don't think Suzaku was going all out.

[@LockheedDChase]

As of now Ash phoenix surpassed them when it comes to skills

[@Say2Cool]

FORGOT BOUT Li Xingke

[@sortileges5474]

No Xin Ke?

[@dalenlewin]

Years of talking about code Geass, and not one video about code ment. Come on guys.

[@ThePurpleKnightmare]

Kallen was the better pilot, but the live command makes Suzaku better, once he got that he did become better thanks to it, but when it comes to talent, he was 2nd best.

[@NauticalCoffin2404]

Lelouch

[@Silverauren]

The bastard stood against 4 knights of rounds using a fucking Bhaskara

[@MyMediaChops]

I have analyzed the kmf battles in many videos including looking at it objectively or taking personal bias into it. I wish they would reach the same amount of views as this video is going to get but that's just the nature of KZbin. Like I said before on other videos you've made given how well your videos perform and the analysis in them I often feel like I am wasting my time making videos also on Code Geass. Anyways this is the video if you are interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpTSY5mEgt9gg9E. I came to a different conclusion than you. Of the six battles I consider stage 11 and stage 13, turn 6, and Stage 23 (you forgot their encounter at the Saz) draws there just isn't enough information to know for sure. I counted the entire fight between Kallen and Suzaku in Turn 6 as one fight with two parts one where Kallen gets owned and one where the outcome seemed even. The problem with speculating on stuff like this is the level of assumptions you have to make about what would or wouldn't happen. Now in certain cases, you can do this. For example if ashahina didn't move Nagisa out of the way Claudio would have killed her. Anyways of the takes on the fights,the one on turn 6 bothered me. You downplay the power of the Conquista as it's the hadrad blaster matched guren flight enabled version radiant wave surger. Given how well Suzaku fought Kallen when she piloted the guren seiten eight elements he has plenty of options. Also, you brought up the Geass effect to live not activating act certain points which is a valid argument. But didn't use it in the context of turn 6. Yes, the Guren has awesome weapons but the Lancelot is more versatile which is how Suzaku beats Kallen. Suzaku won in Stage 24 and Stage 2 and Kallen won in turn 18 which is obvious. Now the last fight has multiple interpretations everyone declares Kallen the winner so that seems like the obvious answer. I don't like your point about suzaku and Kallen having different goals as Suzaku for the most part doesn't fight to kill. But that doesn't mean Suzaku isn't fighting with everything he has. Every conflict between them has gone this way aside from Stage 24 . Here are my two cents either Kallen won because she destroyed Suzaku's kmf and he himself declared her the winner or it's a draw because Suzaku lost because he's weaker but ultimately won since they needed to fake his death. It had to be Kallen since no one would believe that any other pilot could have bested him in combat. So my score is after six battles Kallen won two, Suzaku won two with four draws. The conclusion is also something I have problems with because both Kallen and Suzaku receive powerful kmfs, not just Kallen. Suzaku won twice for having excellent skills and a superior kmf. The story implies that Kallen is better than Suzaku since the strongest pilots praise her, she turns the tide in every battle, piloted the guren seiten eight elements when that shouldn't be possible, and so forth. Overall good video I don't agree with many of your takes (what else is new) but definitely better than your take on Turn 19 no offense.

[@ShiiRukii]

Kallen for me..

[@Colegial24]

Suzaku

[@maku3857]

Idk c.c was a pretty good pilot

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Wasn't the Lancelot one of the best Knightmares in the series? Whereas Kallen ALWAYS had a worse Knightmare and she STILL held her own every single time. She's the best pilot.

[@jadetaylor6093]

Its fucking kallen. Its obviously kallen. Kallen has no geass, her knightmare is by all technicalities inferior to suzakus. She wins anyways.

[@takatotakasui8307]

Kallen for sure