Hollering About the Team Ico Trilogy

[@dashtodash]

My favorite thing about Kbash is his ability to code-switch between a literary intellectual to a hyped up frat boy at the drop of a hat.

[@diamondhamster4320]

Any decently intellegent person can switch between personality archtypes, mate. You should read up Carl Jung works if you want to know more.

[@dashtodash]

@@diamondhamster4320 Any decently intelligent person wouldn't assume that someone isn't already familiar with the works of Carl Jung, sport. Also, any decently intelligent person wouldn't misspell the word 'archetype'.

[@diamondhamster4320]

@@dashtodash I am not native English speaker and I dont give a f@ck about speaking or writting properly in English???

[@williamalbatross4677]

@@diamondhamster4320oh my gosh how unbelievably pretentious like WTF

[@diamondhamster4320]

@@williamalbatross4677 oh my gosh how unbelievably posh and douchey like WTF

[@Longlius]

Speaking as someone who was sapient at the time - Ico failed in the US because the marketing was almost nonexistent. I saw like a handful of magazine ads for it, no commercials, and basically my entire exposure to its existence consisted of me consuming TechTV/G4 coverage of its release. Sony literally pushed it like a cash-strapped z-tier publisher would push a game and then wondered, "huh why didn't this sell"

[@TheRealLachlan]

You really used sapient? That whole 1st sentence...

[@ketvector4469]

Yep, I only became aware of the games existence because of a Toonami review. " Young love, with horns."

[@Byakkoya11037]

Yeah, and I don't think the box art helped. I mean obviously the marketing was the bigger killer here but if I as a kid saw a game with Ico's western box art approach I'd just assume it boring and walk away. I genuinely do not understand the obsession western box artists have with ruining something that's already perfectly good and eye-catching, must be a desire to be different I guess?

[@sokumotanaka9271]

When Trico got over his fear to save you from people taking you, I started bawling dude. That's some how to train your dragon shetz

[@gregorymansour1763]

The reception to The Last Guardian at release really shows how shallow our language for discussing games can be. Not to say that we shoudn't discuss the problems we have with games, but having issues shouldn't be an excuse to ignore artistic intent.

[@jacobmonks3722]

This. I see too many people calling games like Xenoblade 2 trash or God of War 2018 masterpieces without really talking about what makes them that way, and it really just feels like people enjoy posting opinions on the Internet for engagement, whether or not they actually have a dog in the race. I've even seen some people call the creators lazy just because they weren't a fan of the story direction. Did they explain why they thought the game was lazy? Of course not.

[@SnakebitSTI]

That's just how most people engage with art. Novels, music, movies, paintings... it's the same problem. "I like this thing -> this thing is good -> whatever someone says makes this thing good is good". And the same for the inverse. Just look at the trends in using "defies expectation" as praise or criticism. Defying expectation on some level is practically axiomatic, since otherwise you're talking about a near 1:1 copy of something else. What breaks expectation, how, and what are the implications? But most people really, really aren't interested in thinking that deeply about art. People like simple dichotomies: Thing good or thing bad. ... and also it is exhausting to constantly turn casual chatting on the internet into a thesis defense. Even the academically minded find talking in shorthand convenient at times.

[@razz5614]

i mean the only issue i truly have is the constant instruction popups, if there was a setting to turn it off that would make it better

[@dsizzle7859]

Funfact, in Ico, on a second playthrough; when Ico wakes up on the beach and you search the beach before going to Yorda, you’ll find a watermelon. If you pick it up the cutscene of her waking up will happen but then it will continue with the two eating the watermelon together. It’s super wholesome.

[@ChrisAcoltzi]

Even more funfacts... Ueda said that the scene at the beach was part of a dream Ico has on the boat. So in reality the girl is dead.

[@dsizzle7859]

@@ChrisAcoltzi Even more funfacts, I only mentioned this ending because not a lot of people knew about it.

[@yeetkunedo]

Team Ico is a studio that doesn’t get enough respect. Their games are often criticized for all the wrong reasons, as their design decisions are almost always intentional, with the purpose of making the player fully inhabit the emotional space of the character being controlled. Nobody did it like them. Nobody else really could. And after watching this, you not only recognize that fact, but you understand why that’s the case where others often didn’t / don’t.

[@hemangchauhan2864]

Team ICO inspired a generation of game devs. They are "game devs" favourite game. That's good enough sign of their legacy.

[@mickeybat5816]

Tbh I can see why people don't like ICO games. Often times they're pretty barebones and don't have much going on for them if you're just trying to have fun smacking things up. Some people want art, some people want to smack things around with loud wee woop music. It's a matter of preference. Shadow of the collossus is still my favorite ps2 game even though I only played it once lol. Ico games are just those types of games.

[@PressXtoPlayMain]

Being intentional doesn't make it good tho.

[@SnakebitSTI]

⁠@@PressXtoPlayMainThat's the big issue with that argument, yeah. Just because it was someone's idea to do it does not mean it was a good idea. I think a decent litmus test is looking for people praising bad games for doing the same thing. If people only praise widely acclaimed games for some particular facet, it's likely that people are praising the design for the game, rather than the other way around.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Their games are hardly ever criticized at all, what are you on about?

[@the_echoYT]

It's a real tragedy how Shadow of the Colossus's unrivaled stardom and the protracted development led to The Last Guardian being seen and expected by so many more people than it was ever going to resonate with. SotC is palatable to mainstream audiences by virtue of its more video-gamey premise and execution, and understandably many mainstream gamers thought The Last Guardian was "Shadow of the Colossus 2." So they get wrapped up in the hype over a game they invented in their heads, and buy a Team Ico game instead. I loved The Last Guardian, and it remains one of few truly unique experiences I've had in the medium. Trico was so fully and beautifully realized, a living and breathing animal that I could interact with the same way I would a real animal, and get the same results. In the same way that Agro was not Wander's car, Trico was not the Boy's tool. They have autonomy and are used by the player through abstraction. When I was first learning to give Trico commands, of course I felt frustrated that he wasn't immediately jumping to my aid. But I *watched* him, and I saw him *thinking,* looking where I pointed, examining relevant areas and objects, and putting together what I wanted him to do. And from that point forward I knew to trust in Trico's intelligence and allow him the space to understand me. The more we interacted the faster he knew what I needed him to do. It was exactly like training an animal. It felt real. Just a shame so few people allowed themselves to see it.

[@-EndlessHorizon]

All of this stems from the video game industries long standing biggest problem. Revealing games years before their ready and hyping them up. Just look at the game awards and gta6 these games come out in 2025 and it's not even 2024 that means if even a little of those games are off expectations there will be massive controversy and people will lose jobs companies will take hits in revenue and the vicious cycle will continue

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Good to know that's common. I started playing the beginning and stopped just cause. But I had those same feelings. It's good to hear. I do want to get back to it at some point.

[@lucassoares4084]

Thank you for voicing your opinion on the reception of the last guardian by the youtube community. People straight up were spitting on their own plate, on a lovingly prepared meal. While at the same time, being known as people who regularly bad mouth "fast food" kind of gaming experiences. Idk if that made sense, but thank you Kbash!

[@MikhailKutzow]

I think what really makes the Ico Trilogy special is that they reach for the status of High Art without disregarding being video games. There's nothing subversive or decontstructive about them, they don't act like they're above the medium they're working in or act as though video games need to be something else in order to be real art. They just are video games, built with a love, thoughtfulness, and intentionality that elevates them, both as video games and as art. It's probably a large part of what enabled Ico to be so influential, it's a game that other games can aspire to be like.

[@arthurdurham]

I remember back in 2016 people angrily commenting at me when I'd make the point that Trico is supposed to act like an animal (especially a cat). And that they will often not listen to you, and do their own things that often are contrary to your immediate goal or genuinely aggravating, but are overall lovable and a companion. For instance, my cat loves going on walks. When he's near the door when already in his harness he runs up the stairs and out the door with excitement and rushes to chew on his favorite patches of grass. And he knows his way back inside, but some times I have to pick him up and carry him inside when it's time to go in because he wants to stay out and explore. But, anytime I take out his harness to do this, he immediately hides under the bed. Even though it is a precursor to an activity he loves, he will act in defiance to it just bc he doesn't like harneses in itself. Animals are like that. And the beauty of Team Ico games, imo, is they are meant more of an intended and unique experience than a mechanical showcase. Even Stray, basically the quintessential Cat game, isn't realistic to how a real cat would behave. I think it was really bold and risky for Team Ico to do what they did and focus on the more realistic interaction between you and essentially a large pet in contrast to immediate mechanical ease. And the responses were so vitriolic to the points I made. That I'm an idiot and that it's just a bad game and bad and lazy developers, etc. Glad the consensus has changed on it though. I get anyone who doesn't like it, as unlike ICO of SOTC, it is a bit more niche and not as well fleshed out but to say it was bad bc of it just hurts games as art in the general sense. (Also, R.I.P to Suki, he seemed like the best boy).

[@MagikarpPower]

I recommend the game to animal lovers. I did not like it when I first played it. since then i've had a pitbull for years now and he's strikingly similar to trico. it perfectly emulates how an animal acts (with no motion capture even). someone who doesn't like animals or isn't used to being around one won't likely have the patience for trico.

[@amerikaOnFire]

I always thought that was what the devs were going for. They weren't being dumb, lazy or stupid when it came to their vision for how they wanted to make the game feel. However, just because you put your idea into a game exactly doesn't mean it will translate well for a lot of people. So anybody, including Kbash, acting like those people are wrong makes it all a bit hypocritical. Not all ideas are good ideas or meant for everyone. This is the video game equivalent of that.

[@MrCrowley2474]

Hey man. I agree with all of your points. Just wanted to let you know, though, that Suki was a girl.

[@Lohpezhoh]

Same thing on SotC, I've heard quite a few people complaining about Aggro because she acts like a horse lmao Like a month ago I heard in a podcast something along the lines of "why would the horse behave as a real horse" and I just died inside

[@fuzzywuzzy843]

Never forgot how when I finished The Last Guardian I felt so overwhelmed and sad not just at the ending of the game but that I also had to say goodbye to Trico. Thinking about the hours of work and collaboration amongst many talented developers and their own lived experiences they brought to bring Trico to life and how I felt a true sadness like I had lost a pet of my own like many of us have.

[@Tetsaga]

Im sort of annoyed I didnt look into the last guardian because of the mid tubers talking down to it. Well, lesson learned.

[@boringdude72]

KBash at it again with one of my favorite IPs. Don’t know how I got here a year or so, but you’ve quickly become my most cherished KZbin-video-game-essayist. If that’s a genre.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Leave "essay" out of it. He's not getting graded by any professor for making KZbin vids.

[@donovanfaust3227]

​@@jarlwhiterun7478an essay is a piece of writing that is written to convince someone of something or to simply inform the audience about a particular topic. Note how teachers are not required for something to be an essay. This qualifies as an essay my dude.

[@drinks_menu]

OMG I always wondered why people exaggerated the AI in Ico so much. I thought “maybe I just got lucky and the AI isn’t fucky in my game” but I’m glad to learn I wasn’t the only one.

[@badpiggy4177]

Shadow of the colossus was probably the first game I played that really made me feel something. And that 13th Colossi is still one of my fav bossfights ever. One of the most beautiful and majestic creatures I've seen in a game

[@2la84me]

Kbash I think its wonderful youre giving Last Guardian so much credit and going to bat for it but when it came out IT SUCKED. They patched the hell out of it after it came out over the course of months. All the flak it got was incredibly deserved and playing it unpatched on a PS4 versus playing it patched on a PS5 is a VASTLY different experience. I know you said you arent dissing any creators and I wholly believe you because youre cool but you gotta keep the state of the game itself in mind when considering "Huh why is my experience so different". Maybe even if you played it unpatched on a PS4 your experience would still be fine enough after knowing its inner workings now but going into it blind on good faith alone netted me and a number of others a unfun time.

[@j.l.9689]

Hey KBash, thanks for covering some of my favorite games. I love that you always interact with the mechanics truthfully and meaningfully and don't just latch onto what is popular to say like so many others. It is refreshing. Here's to hoping that some day there is another game in this series. Also, I am sorry for your loss. Losing a pet is always hard.

[@bananabike279]

Still need to play The Last Guardian so I can't watch this video in it's entirety, but great video! Only played ICO and SotC last year on PS3 and they still hold up incredibly well after all these years

[@rustymiller9555]

You should definitely play the last g if you love the other 2 games. I’m not sure how it fits into the trilogy or if it even does.

[@babrakadabra3758]

I was on board until you implied Dormin was evil and Wander was only a useful idiot. 100% disagree. Would disagree more if it was possible.

[@lemonpee]

Ico was like a imagination troll for my poopoo brain when I was child. Still now I sometimes get a glimpse of the world ico pooped in my brain like the atmosphere or the artists ideas.

[@yousifsabih2200]

I don't think I'd ever be able to play the Last Guardian, the ending is heartwrenching.

[@steampunk1610]

Babe wake up, Kbash manifested a new vid!!

[@cadybird5809]

There was an download update to the controls for the last guardian. So it’s hard to know how good or bad they were on release. That’s really my only criticism of this video. Brilliant otherwise. 🤗

[@Mystic_Ode]

I'm going to be honest, the fact that you learned to stunlock enemies with the first swing of the combo in ICO *is* impressive to me because I see so many other players miss it. Many are conditioned to see the unique animation of the combo attack and assume mashing buttons wildly is what the game expects, and thus what they should do, never realizing there was a 'work smarter, not harder' approach. But I think the stunlock was intentional, not an exploit, it's just taking a different approach by pacing the swings out. Also you gathered the pieces, but not the whole picture of the game's version differences. It ties back into the reason that the box art looks the way it does in North America: It was a rushed release to the states. In early 2001, IGN said the game was set to ship in July, then they reported it got delayed to August, then it shipped in late September...... But the game didn't come out in Japan until *December* of that year. It released in America first because we were handed the beta version. The PS3 version is just the Japanese/European PS2 copy in remastered form, so all the things you might've perceived as extra content was just what the Japanese devs called 'finishing the game'. I agree with you that the American version is still good, and it is still ICO. I actually value it a lot for the insight it gives in the development process. But I have to acknowledge later versions are what the devs intended for the game from the start. So the reason we got a poor quality box art wasn't because the American market didn't understand the beauty of the Japanese cover. The Japanese cover hadn't been painted yet.

[@ForteEXE-nh1iz]

Great vid kbash! I’m sorry for your loss

[@hhaammzzaattaarraaff3313]

My favourite kind of game devs Is the one that make the players hate thier gam.... Seriously I like when games are made without the concern of appealing to the players through dumping down their game wither through gameplay story or presentation Some of my favourite games are designed by people who wanted to deliver the game as it is ( the legend of heroes games, growlanser, little nightmares,Blazblue) And the game with kbash TM Knights in the nightmare ❤

[@Rihcterwilker]

Rip Suki 🥀

[@dutchielander2478]

The Last Guardian is a game i got in the mail, installed and played start to finish in one sitting, then booted up again to get the extra costumes and stuff. I have not done that since i was a kid, i'm in my 30's now. I love the game so much. Also, if you own the original version of the game, so not the platinum edition, you can play it on a PS5 in 60 frames making it as smooth as a Ghibli movie. Thank me later.

[@LC-sc3en]

Being able to play the game I bought on launch on the PS5 for the first time was a surprisingly great silver lining of having a videogame backlog 6 years long.

[@jacobmonks3722]

Shadow of the Colossus is still to this day one of the most unique experiences the medium offers, and it's insane how they did that with such a minimalist approach. Every other studio likes to put in tons of mechanics and subsystems and number crunching to make them feel deep, but Shadow of the Colossus manages to feel just as engaging while doing absolutely none of that. And story-focused games like to put a lot of effort into the direction of cutscenes, plentiful voice acting, dialogue with side characters, and plots with interesting twists and emotional moments, but Shadow the Colossus is committed to doing the bare minimum in that department too, and it somehow doesn't feel cheap or lazy. Less is more it seems.

[@osiahene]

I don't think the state of KZbin game criticism is that different now since Death Stranding got the same treatment.

[@ivecaughtfire7431]

WHY HAVENT WE SEEN THE CAT BEFORE? BRO THAT CAT WAS BOOOTIFUL I LUB HIMB?? AMAZIN LIL GRUBBER EDIT: WUHT THE FUCK IT DIED? NO WHAT im sorry for your loss that really really fucking sucks. The loss & grief of an animal or pet passing is always a very difficult thing to experience, even if youve had ample time to prepare for it. Im sure Suki was the best aminal & very cute and very sweet and very hungy.

[@RPGFort]

Thank you for the video KBash, and I'm so sorry for your loss. Sending love to you and yours.

[@alvarez332]

I've always found the "are videogames art?" debate both fascinating and stupid in equal measure. Like, you've got this medium that's inherently interactive to tell stories but somehow if there's too much interactivity it gets branded as a "product" and when you remove interactivity as much as possible the easier it is for it to be labeled "Art". And somehow this idea is shared by even people knee deep in the creation of these pieces either as an crutch born from ignorance or an actual goal during development. The worst part its that the debate is really fucking simple to solve. Yeah, music is art, but you can hardly call whatever the fuck Viper creates "art" Yeah, videogames are art, but you can hardly call whatever the fuck mindless gacha nft games do "art" It isnt the medium that dictates if something is art or not, is what you do within that medium, and you can equally create Symphonic Masterpieces and Soundcloud bulshit with the same medium.

[@MagikarpPower]

take back what you said about viper

[@alvarez332]

@@MagikarpPower When he gives back the hours I wasted on his fucking albums

[@awsomesmasher23]

There were so many moments in this video where I felt like i was finally heard and seen when trying to talk about these games with other people and discussing them online; especially with The Last Guardian. I had NO problems at all learning the controls for the game and found it to be so simple to get Trico to do what i asked of him when i saw and realized right off the bat, "oh hes acting like an actual animal so I'll treat him like that" & it all clicked instantly with me and never struggled to get him to go and do what i had asked. And you actually get to see that Trico is learning the longer the game goes on. At the start its like trying to teach a new pet tricks and at the end Trico feels like they've bonded with you and does things on they're own that feel just so satisfying. It's like your wonderul companion giant pet is actually real, which was 100% made intentionally by design. Despite all the technical hiccups and the amount of unnecessary bashing this game was getting back in 2016 I always thought this game was special and not given its respect that it genuinely deserved. Team Ico made some of the best games that I have ever felt the most emotion towards that none others ever have & I'm glad that after all these years later, Kbash comes in here and makes me feel like I was finally heard. I know this all can sound cheesy as hell but thanks for this video Kbash. I've been watching for awhile now and I felt this video as one of my personal favorites to date. Keep it up man!

[@aokyoutsuki7744]

Be honest, now that you're older, how much if its bashing were actually genuine and how much did it 'feel' like people were just hopping on the bandwagon

[@rowanatkinson3594]

Apparently they had 24 colossi planned and cut eight because they felt kinda redundant or they couldn't get them to work, and I still wonder what a 50% denser Shadow of the Colossus would have felt like

[@lightofthecolossus]

They planned on having 48 colossi. They narrowed it down to 24 ideas and eight of them got scrapped. You can look up the scrapped colossi. They have models and art and everything.

[@superbro6413]

Rip Suki 🙏

[@egoborder3203]

I can't fully get behind the defense of The Last Guardian. I'm a huge fan of the first two games and waited eagerly for tLG. I played it when it released... and put it down. Then I bought it again and played it... and put it down. I agree that it got ridiculed needlessly, but it definitely failed at some level

[@rayzorduality2396]

Issuing that final command to Trico justs...gets me everytime, dude...

[@SumEpithet]

I swear all of Kbash's videos have Castle in the Mist playing in them at some point. Granted I haven't been watching long, but the iconic twang of the song's guitar are unmistakable in all of the videos of his that I've seen. I can't wait to see how many time's he decides to put it in the backdrop in this one.

[@Aogami20]

Wow I did not realize that The Last Guardian was so panned by critics. I loved the shit out of that game, the way it communicates a growing bond between the boy and his cat bird over time with it listening to more of your commands, letting you scold and reward behaviors etc. In a way it's kind of a second-person game because the pet is the one doing a lot of it and you're in the position of the boy giving it instructions. It's all just very interesting both mechanically and narratively. idk I liked it a lot

[@mathewhaight]

No idea what this trend is where people suggest that dormin is a bad guy or somehow misleading you. In the same breath you make a comment about him being supposedly knowledgeable, suggesting that there's something off, while still saying that he straight out tells you that this journey is not going to end well for your character. It is not even as if he doesn't keep his word. For all intents and purposes, the creatures that you are killing while innocent are simply parts of his being that you are returning to him. There is nothing truly suggesting that he didn't deserve what happened to him to be split into 16 pieces, but there is also nothing to suggest that he deserved it in the first place. Considering that the humans that show up are from a village that sacrificed a young girl, I really do not get how people think that dormin is the bad guy.

[@SnakebitSTI]

It's probably all the ominous symbolism. There is a lot of that.

[@mathewhaight]

@@SnakebitSTI If you look at it from the of a judeo-christian perspective, maybe, but that is an unfair perspective for a fictional world that seems to make no direct connections to such symbolism. Unless there is more specific ominous symbolism that you're referring to that I am forgetting.

[@SnakebitSTI]

@@mathewhaight Ominous symbolism in the cultural context in which the game was made. You're free to ignore symbolism if you want, just don't expect other people to as well.

[@mathewhaight]

@@SnakebitSTI That is an unnecessarily hostile reaction. I just figured you meant horns and 1/2 of dormin being composed of darkness. What symbolism are you referring to.

[@SnakebitSTI]

@@mathewhaight The ominous symbolism mentioned and shown in the video you are commenting on. I don't see a point in reiterating what Kbash already said.

[@c2HitsButtons]

RIP Suki 😢

[@timmadone8930]

Wait what...you can actually break the glass eyes with Trico's poop? I learned something new today. I like all 3 games by Fumito Ueda & am so excited to play his 4th, but I still regard "Shadow Of The Colossus" as his true masterpiece (so far) & probably the game he'll be best remembered for. Having said that, Trico is a one-of-a-kind A.I. companion, no question about that. Fumito Ueda has a vision that's very unique. That's not a surprise though. After all, he got his start working for the late great Kenji Eno. Nice review/discussion.

[@BennyBucks]

Last Guardian was very easy to mock for its funny, janky, awkward gameplay moments and I get why people might have gotten frustrated with it. But I think it nails the emotional impact of its story better than either Ico or SotC (which is saying something, because those games do a stellar job with their stories). I love all of them, but I probably reflect on the Last Guardian the most out of the three. It's cool to see that game get some love here, because there really isn't anything quite like it.

[@radpunk5144]

RIP for your precious cat KBash. I'm sure it had a good life with you

[@theburritohero]

I haven't watched the video yet but I just want to say that I don't trust anyone that only likes SotC

[@LoneGh0ste]

I love the Last Guardian and saw so many YTers rip into it in 2016. To this day people act like it was bad. Such egregious levels of cap 🧢

[@NerevarineKing]

It's a beautiful game that had some minor issues with controls (and low fps). The controls in SOTC weren't very good either tbh.

[@MagikarpPower]

​@@NerevarineKingI would scream at wander the first time I played sotc. good game but it really had me wondering why everyone loved it so much. it could be so frustrating. just beat the last guardian as a result of this video and its well worth it if you have some patience. I'm ten years older since I played sotc, so that helps...

[@aokyoutsuki7744]

​@@NerevarineKinghonestly, i feel like its cuz of the idea that the controls are supposed to favour the game, to such a 'gamey' state, frame cancels, quick 360 pivoting, low recovery frames n so on, so when something is emulating "da real world" it will be jarring, especially to those hands steeped into decades of button combinations

[@RubyCarrots3232]

Fr I beat the game 14 times and Trico was a breeze to handle. Just treat him like an animal and you can fly through areas.

[@residentgrigo4701]

The Last Guardian is ok but was a chore to finish. A hard slice below what the team is capable of no matter how you slice it. The previous games are replayable but just looking at the game again kinda bored me. Games need functional gameplay and tech. The Last Guardian struggles with both and the story and presentation are less interesting than what came before on top of that. It would have been cool to see the team stay together and learn from what went wrong but such is life.

[@TyGuy9001]

Thanks for this sick video! You know the video is art for making references to Mr.Mosquito and A one Dick Dasterdly (Wacky Races). Always some great stuff KBash! Edit: So as someone who has lost some pets, that ending was a lot of emotions for me. My condolences to you.

[@badtzmzo]

I just thought about Trico again, and a manly tear fell down my cheek.

[@bobbyhumphrey199]

Argo knew what it was doing, knew both wouldn't make it and used its last moment with ground contact to hurl us forward on our mission 😢

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodGeek99]

I just finished my second playthrough of ICO yesterday lol talk about great timing!

[@caravaneerkhed]

I need to beat ico…. The first time I tried playing it, I got too stressed out and haven’t gone back. I love sotc maybe one of my favorite games of all time, and I enjoyed the last guardian.. but yea idk I need to give ico another chance for sure.

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

One thing I noticed once more (having only played Shadow of the Colossus) is how insanely powerful the soundtrack of especially the last two games is. It's so full of raw emotion and beautifully layered chord progressions, it's a whole work of art in itself. Never played the Last Guardian but some of the tracks from that game just make my eyes wet. And that does not happen often - even less so when I have no emotional connection to it.

[@rifway22]

I'm just gonna say The Last Guardian is my favourite game of all time

[@Dethmaster64]

Ico is my favorite handheld game of 2001

[@SoManyHaystacks]

Shadow of the Colossus is the only game here I've put any meaningful time into. It is such a good game that feels like it is absolutley ruined by going for trophies in the PS3/4 versions.

[@LC-sc3en]

I absolutely despise trophies that are spoilers or that pop up while you are playing the game and interrupt the immersion by doing so. Just let me play the game. I can check for trophies when I exit out of the game. I always turn the notifications off

[@SoManyHaystacks]

@@LC-sc3en that's a good point, wasn't even thinking about it from that perspective. I was thinking about what you have to do to get some. The trophy for beating the third Colossus took entirely too long for it to even be remotely enjoyable for me and really took me out of the experience.

[@Podckast]

as someone who neve play story type games I'd say watching playthrough online was amazing! Like a movie and I cried quite a bit at the end (probably cause animals stuff always make me cry hehe). So if you wanna experience it but don't like the gameplay watching is always a good solution! Done that for a few games and it pays out!~

[@elsamarks8477]

YES start beef with Arlo!!! You two are my favorite and I need to feel ripped asunder

[@ZdkDzk]

R.I.P. Suki. Sorry for the loss. Also a beautiful video by the way.

[@TheDigitalStrife]

MA! THE NEW KBASH VIDEO JUST DROPPED!!!

[@TheDudeManBro]

I love The Last Guardian so much dude, and here's the best part, because its short, I was able to show it to a lot of my friends from beginning to end and they loved it too. Some of us cried as well it was awesome, love that stinky cat opossum bird dog. And yeah no amount of complaining I can give actually sums up how annoying large creators are on here when it comes to comprehending new control systems, even the completion who I assume has played enough games to know some control differently, couldn't stop mentioning how bad the controls for SotC was it was weird as fuck. Awesome retrospective tho Ima give Ico another try I think, I don't remember enjoying it but I'll give it another go sometime just to make sure.

[@quinnviandsej]

I appreciate the disclaimer to not go and harass those other youtubers directed at the less emotionally stable viewers in the back. Haven't gotten around to the ICO games myself, but I'm glad to hear The Last Guardian isn't quite the nosedive youtube made it out to be. It's always sad to see the fall of a great developer. And while, sure, I've only got your word to go off of, you've spoken accurately about several titles I actually have played.

[@michaelkindt3288]

@1:08-.-I like the phrase "game made of puzzles" because it implies it is not a puzzle game, and yet it is still built around puzzles.

[@QMMarc]

I'm so glad to hear someone defend The Last Guardian man, you said that these studio games are art, but, that's not really how i'd describe it, these 3 games are GAME art, cause the game part is still important, like, I remember telling a friend that Last Guardian was my fav game of that generation and being scoffed at right, cause, everyone only talks mad shit about it, but these games doesn't make me feel like i'm playing a movie or a netflix show or whatever, they tell stories THROUGH gameplay, if you remove the game part you're left with almost nothing to grasp at, where if you remove the game part of Last of Us you're left with an acclaimed adaptation of a game that was already 70% a tv series. I'm not saying that there's no space for that type of stuff either, i'm saying that these 3 games are so fuckin' special and unique, and like, idk man, Last Guardian got done very dirty, wouldn't call it my favorite of the 3, Ico is actually my favorite, but like, its as good as all of them. Kinda want to replay it with a better framerate, that was an actual issue i had with it.

[@bluemusic039]

I love the games. All of them feel unique, even tho they are kinda similar to each other in some aspects. The only game that made something similar in my opinion was hellblade senua's sacrifice. I had no problem with the controls. They were easy but it felt like you were human. Trico acts like every pet and is easy to handle, if you understand when to ask Trico for sonething. It still felt highly engaging and rewarding.

[@jaikthesnake6285]

Idk if it's just cuz I love these games but you really popped off with these ones man I loved the humor

[@dillasoul2228]

Gotta say, those are some cold bars to murder innocent colossi to

[@henry5274]

I'M NOT CRYING, YOU'RE CRYING

[@BlueMagicite]

Favorite little design takeaway that Team Ico always did was to take cues from the animation work done on cinematic platformers. These were games like Flashback or the original Prince of Persia game from the late 80s that often used rotoscoping to get fluid character animation. Which is funny, the team that worked on the 2003 Prince of Persia game would ironically take cues from Ico in their art approach knowing that Team Ico pulled from the original Prince of Persia's art. These games often had really smooth animations to their characters which is definitely felt in the work put into all three of Team Ico's games. There aren't that many games nowadays that pull towards this particular fluidity of animation in this cinematic way. The only other one that comes to "recent" memory is INSIDE, which was also inspired by Ico. The daisy-chain of inspiration just never stops lol.

[@rickyjohnson7537]

KBash is honestly probably my favorite youtuber. His game reveiw style is very funny and always engaging. Its very rarely that I will watch hours long videos all the way through, and KBash videos make up about 93% of those rare occurances😂

[@sourlab]

The last guardian and shadow of the colossus are absolutely my 2 favourite games of all time One is a bitter sweet tragic tale with some phenomenal moments And the other is a beautiful unique adventure with nothing like it

[@Dr.Meme-Man]

16:46-17:27 this goes SO hard. Kbash, theoretically, how much would I need to pay you to make a fully fleshed out version of your track. 👀

[@KayosHybrid]

I just got recommended you for the shojo witch hungry queer girl game thats also a horror and I loved your sense of humour- now im listening to this on a dog walk and laughing. subbed!!!!

[@kazuhiramotorsports]

Sorry about the loss of your kitty

[@imacg5]

The irony is in Ico and Shadow of the Colossus, you end up being the tool of evil forces for acting on agency; while in The Last Guardian, you finally accomplish something positive for lack of agency and relying on the beast. Now that you think about it, this arc is followed tightly by Neil Druckmann in two TLoUs.

[@RaptieFeathers]

I watched my best friend, who loves all things bird-related, play The Last Guardian. The first thing he did after freeing Trico was spend literally ten minutes petting her. Doted on her the entire game, and watching I realized-Trico knows exactly where to go, and paying attention, keeping her nice and soothed and clean, and following her completely transforms the experience. Which, of course, finishes the theme of the trilogy: the first game had the boy leading the girl, second game had them working together, and the third game has the girl leading the boy. Edit: Trico is very much female, it's literally in your face all game. That's not a butthole (they put that higher up). 😂

[@Duskof81]

I always wanted to play the Team Ico trilogy, and I've yet to do it. But videos like these always get me more pumped for it. (Btw, english isn't my first language, but isn't it supposed to be "A Chaotic Look" in the video title?)

[@kennethgrande9093]

yeah the title bugs me too lol

[@DSan-kl2yc]

First Ico is still my fav. I don't think its some art any more than any other moving game. I have all 3. The mechanics are not the star, theyre like above average usually. But theyre used together, along with the graphics, and music, and direction/atmosphere to be such moving experiences. I think the ending of ico is literal so i don't think it ruins something that would be better or worst. The ending still happened. The last part doesn't undo it. Not that i know what happens exactly. You're still dead in Shadow. Nothing changes seeing the possible beginning of the status of ico. Or the girl having to go out on her own.

[@kevindie]

*_I SMASH the thumbs up button on any Team Ico video I stumble upon._*

[@bruno17289]

To be fair the Last Guardian got a couple of patches to improve the ai pathfinding of the beast and movement

[@legokid785]

a great video ab some absolutely phenomenal games with some great music from the fable series

[@TheBabblingBabs]

Excellent video but I gotta say that is SUCH A PRETTY CAT OMG! (Edit: i got to the end and now i cry)

[@rockylopez7846]

Wow, cool video, once again! Now, for another retrospective episode, could ya please tackle SNK's World Heroes? Definitely an underrated series of games in need of more love.

[@jamilfrost6217]

Crazy that kbash and Liam triforce release a video on these games within two weeks from each other.

[@gregoryberrycone]

the last guardian was incredibly underrated. i literally dont know a single person whos played it, but it was everything i really could have wanted it to be

[@kazenna]

I miss this era so much it hurts

[@aeroga2383]

I played the first two and my favorite one is Ico, by far. It has an incredible atmosphere that gives me extreme nostalgia for some reason. I wish it were a proper RPG to really immerse myself in it.

[@dustinmaceachern5020]

Bro why you gotta show me brave frontier like that when i can't go back 😭😭😭

[@mcbill7352]

I have never played shadow of the colossus but the idea of it makes me want to cry

[@cbrana4649]

Maybe not the comment you were looking for, but after crashing hard during finals week, I’m glad I woke up to this. Your warm voice and descriptive, caring storytelling is a breath of fresh air when I’ve otherwise been pretty stressed.

[@GimpyGosling]

A KBash video that's not 20 hours long!? I'm actually relieved honestly

[@rustymiller9555]

Sorry you lost Suki

[@logicalphallusry]

Ok you convinced me to give TLG another go.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Please play the Trails series.

[@MultiHomersimpson123]

This one's for the algorithm. Great video

[@bigsherpa]

Wow I am excited for this one.

[@StarOutlaw9]

*hug*

[@isdel9474]

RIP Suki

[@SuperQuadocky]

oh no, kitty 😢