Why There's NO Mesa Boogie amps in Europe

[@florabee9283]

You are not missing anything but heartache. I was a Mesa service tech in the 1990s and to my grief, some people still manage to find me and bug me to repair their Mesa amps. I find that they have far far far I mean far too many potentiometers, switches, switched jacks in effect loops, fragile, redundant eq sliders, all crammed into way too small of a hot space right often next to a crazy heavy speaker. The component density on their often stacked and or dual-sided printed circuit boards is vastly too concentrated considering the heat, voltages, and vibration a tube guitar amp must endure. They are difficult to service, and are getting worse. Transformers are one of the easiest components to source- they are simply wire and steel laminations- that is unless the engineers did something daft like designed a toroidal type in order to cram even more needless complexity into the already overstuffed chassis. You live in UK? Hiwatt. Possibly the best British product ever.

[@Fastvoice]

All of what you describe I can't find on my (non EQ) Studio 22+. Surely not too much potentiometers - but of course now old and noisy ones. 😉

[@florabee9283]

@@Fastvoice Now that one was not bad! In fact, that may be the best MB of all.

[@PhilipCockram]

I heard a VERY similar tale from my amp tech several yrs ago . As he explained to me why he refused all MB repairs .

[@martyshwaartz971]

Hiwatt, Vox, Marshall, Victory, Orange…. I think UK players will be okay haha.

[@andrewksadventures]

@@martyshwaartz971 True. There's Laney as well.

[@joeykelly5642]

Price increases across their entire lineup have been absolutely brutal. When I saw how much the new Mark 7s were, my heart dropped! They’re crazy expensive - and I live in the US. Can’t even imagine what they’ll cost in Europe when they’re finally available. Great info as always. Hopefully they’re able to sort things out.

[@youtubewatcher3467]

I bought a showroom unit Mark v in Jan 2023 which had been there for at least 3 years. When Mark vii was released, I cursed myself for not holding up a bit longer. Now I glad that I bought the Mark V. Mark VII seems more like a striped down version of Mark v at much higher price. The reasons Mesa Boogie mentioned for skipping Mark VI are purely advertising wording. I think they do much less in developing a new amp than doing advertisement write up.

[@benburnett8109]

Until Mesa hires "real" people to manage their company.................the trainwreck will continue. And let's face facts........nobody gives a fuck about JP anymore.

[@Babook]

​@@youtubewatcher3467 Stripped down?

[@Turbo-D]

@@Babook less specs & features and that is just right sadly

[@Bandersnatch786]

@joeykelly5642 In Canada, JP2C is $5399. Mark VII is $4799. At those prices, better off getting a Revv Generator or Soldano SLO

[@angusorvid8840]

Informative video. I live in Los Angeles and played a Boogie for a decade in the L.A. scene. I was one of the few players in that scene who used a combo, nevermind a Boogie. That's how powerful it was. In the ten years I owned this amp I changed the tubes only three times and I played the hell out of it, never had any issues with it, and it survived some bad falls off long staircases and loading ramps. As much as I love their amps I don't think people in Europe should be that hung up about it. There are plenty of fine amps and multi fx systems available in Europe.

[@lincolnosiris3665]

People always go apeshit about stuff they probably never wanted in the first place but all of a sudden cannot get anymore. It's basically a law of nature.

[@SxSxG666]

Isn't it quite normal to only change tubes after a few years of playing. Three changes in 10 years sounds totally average to me.

[@angusorvid8840]

@@SxSxG666 I had a Marshall that needed a tube change every three months. The Boogie was impressive to me because I played it constantly for years and it was very efficient. For a hobbyist you could probably go five years without changing tubes. But I was very much involved in music, playing in bands, gigging and rehearsing all the time, recording demos, and simply playing at home for five hours a day for years. The Boogie was just a very efficient amp for all the use I put into it.

[@SxSxG666]

@@angusorvid8840 Even if you play your amp 24/7 for three months there is no chance that the tubes will fail unless there is something seriously wrong with it. Like I said it's quite normal for tubes to hold it up for three to five years even under heavy usage. Sure the sound changes slightly over time, but it's nothing you can't compensate with your amp EQ. I think there are far more decisive factors that determine the sound then mid-age tubes namely general accustic, temperatur, humidity... In the end it's not really possible to make a general statement. Tubes are different, amps are different and our personal preferences are different too. My most played amp is the 5150 and I could play houndrets of shows until I felt like it's time for a change.

[@paulie6446]

My old Orange (bass) amp used to cost me a fortune (weekly!) back in the 70's & 80's, but the sound..🤤

[@palehorsenameddeath7731]

I have owned a few boogies and loved all of them. I beat the crap out of a MKIV with hardwood options for 10 years on the road. It was trailered around from gig to gig stored in the trailer in -20 to 90 degrees. To me it was a tool for what I was doing It was heavy but the sound was crazy from clean to over drive. I never had a problem with it. I had to replace the tubes once in ten years of abuse. I traded it for a new MKV that as a great amp as well. Now I have an old dual recti solo head and love it as well never had one single problem with it. Those were all Randal Smith era amps. I have a new Gibson era Recti verb and love that but that has never left my studio. So I cant speak of the road ruggedness of it. Bit the biggest mistake I ever made was getting rid of my original MkIV. Great video it is interesting to see what goes on other then in the U.S. Thanks for sharing.

[@CagedPaps]

Good that it's soon to be resolved. I remember when Anderton's made their video on how the dealers in Europe are now working directly with Boogie, rather than a European distributor. Prices were reduced by quite a lot... But then you couldn't get them.

[@benburnett8109]

Because Mesa is run by a bunch of leatherheaded idiots

[@TheSecondNature]

I have a Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp (from the 90s I think) and a Mesa Boogie 50/50 power amp to match it in my studio in Italy. I never even thought about buying a new Mesa, I always buy used stuff anyway

[@Barbarapape]

As an electronics repair tech i have to the agree with the comments below regarding servicing Messa Boogie amps. You have to find the exact part or it will not fit the small space available, and if Messa can't source parts to make them then there are none available to do repairs. My advice is look elswhere for your next amp or in a few years time when not if your Messa amp fails you will be left with a very expensive door stop.

[@christebo7305]

Cool story. Not a true blanket statement. I will agree on 3 or more channel models though. But so many Mesas aren't their maxed out option models. I happen to own a 2 channel model. Zero problems; Literally. Then again I'm not dragging it somewhere 5 days a week😂

[@Andy86L]

I tried to buy a Badlander when they were first announced and the estimated shipping time was initially 3 weeks. I then cancelled the order when the ETA changed to over a year. Absolutely insane that you still can’t get them in the UK

[@captainsergeant]

Now say it like Jar Jar Binks

[@GregStraub42]

Doit

[@Maldunn]

Yousa in big doo doo dis time!

[@waitin4winter]

😂 I will never hear it the same again

[@sauce_aux]

Cursed bahahahaha

[@AlisterTate]

Meesa Poodoo!

[@synonyx]

Even here in the states I waited 9months for an order of a Cali Tweed. Thankfully Sweetwater honored the price I ordered at because it went up $600 from order time until delivery.

[@stephanschmitt816]

There are custom amp builders in Europe making fantastic amps for reasonable prices, in my opinion it's a good idea to contact these guys. MLC from Poland, Driftwood or Redstuff amps from Germany, Tube Workshop, Realtone and many more, you name it. Same goes for custom made guitars in Europe vs. Custom Shop US. products, btw. Heavily underrated.

[@randomclick2826]

As someone with a Mesa Boogie and a boss Katana I genuinely think digital amps are more than adequate for the vast majority of people at a fraction of the price.

[@defmanlistening]

Further to name Laboga Amps and Hesu Speakers from Poland 😎

[@boboutelama5748]

Yes. But, in Europe, the boutique amp market isn't the same. Peoples buying MesaBoogie's do it from hearsay or by seeing their favourite bands playing with them. In general, they search gain monsters with flexibility, and they do it in shops or reputable platforms. From what I see on "Thomann", Soldano, Diezel, Rivera and Friedman seem to have gotten into Mesa's spot for the moment.

[@goodwill559]

I have been to Mesa Engineering in Petaluma California. You would be surprised how small they are They have purposely stayed small and carefully chosen their market, but now that Randall has sold Mesa to a larger company, supply problems aside, who knows what their production will look like as we move forward

[@Scott__C]

I'm sure it'll have that stellar Gibson QC, lol.

[@watchtheskies]

You can still get the Synergy IICP module in Europe, a preamp designed by Steve Fryette to emulate the Mesa Boogie IIC+, by all accounts it is fantastic

[@joeyvanostrand3655]

I've not had that one in particular, but I have a quite a few of the synergy modules and every single one has been astoundingly awesome!!

[@0megalul309]

Fryette customer service is garbage. No emails or service manuals provided, they expect you to send your amp to them. Far cry from diezel

[@jamesm5744]

Or buy a triaxis. Gets you extremely close. Had/have both.

[@joeyvanostrand3655]

@@jamesm5744 the closest I've come to that particular unicorn is the STL Tones plug in ReAxis. I'm still getting my feet wet with all of the modeling side of things but I know what I hear and that particular plug in is exceptional! I can only imagine how brilliant the original unit must be. I wonder why MB won't reissue that or wny someone hasn't built an homage to it like the pedal guys do, And by homage I mean exact replica. Ha!

[@jamesm5744]

@Joey VanOstrand I'd imagine they'd be very expensive to build now and they weren't without their quirks. You really had to finely tune them but when you did, Holy grail stuff!

[@MoreMeRecording]

Mesa's used to only sell direct from the factory for years. I ordered my first Mesa from Petaluma in 93' and it was quite an experience, in a good way though. I actually loved having a brand new MKIV fresh out of the box (with that lovely smell!) over some amp off the floor with a million guys wanking on it - which was the case for some of the expensive models when The Boogie Shop (not official) opened in Vancouver - where they didn't fly off the floor at the time.

[@9unslin9er]

How Gibson is able to buy anything at this point is mind boggling.

[@VHS_Broadcasting]

They’re a hedge fund brand, they’re basically a bank product that’s regulating the industry via fascistic litigation…

[@dejja7376]

Because there will always be rich dumb people buying what ever gibson throws at them.

[@JCDenton95]

$50,000 Epiphone AFD Les Pauls, that’s how

[@gabigolescu]

​@@JCDenton95 😂

[@unclejoeoakland]

Well.. they still keep managing to import stacks of lumber that's on the CITES no-no list, so maybe they import other contraband to keep the wheels turning. Cocaine, livers and kidneys, exotic birds, who knows?

[@aldoferrufino1692]

We have Mesa amps in the Middle East and suddenly we had no support and the dealers did not provide any support whatsoever. Amp had to be shipped to CA from the Middle East for changing a part that was less than 10 USD (yes, actual part bill). So not only were supply issues, but aso technical support that understands the difference between a board issue and a simple capacitor change. Mesa in CA was great and did a great job.

[@ScottKroekerArtographer]

Here at Revv amplification we were ahead of these new regulations and ship to Europe with no issues. 😀

[@sole__doubt]

I had a triple rectifier years ago it was my main amp for playing with a band. I downsized to a 6505 a few years ago and couldnt be happier with it.

[@ventproc]

They seem to get their new amps to Ola in Sweden pretty quickly tho 🤔

[@shipofthesun]

2:12 Mesa's problem started when they started branching out from the Mark Series. The Mark IV/V are still their best products. I had a .22, and it was an EL-34 nightmare.

[@capitanvonchickenpants8492]

Hated my .22

[@coldbastard6859]

Mark V cannot even hold a candle next to C+ or Mark III. Mark IV comes close but not close enough.

[@shipofthesun]

@@coldbastard6859 I will not argue on the Mark III, but I love the IV.

[@shipofthesun]

@@quantumbuddhist Good catch. I'm stealing "tone to weight ratio".

[@christebo7305]

My Tremoverb Rev. G. I'll stack it up to anything else they make. 30 years old now. The most versatile amp I've ever owned.

[@Jaime13R]

Always happy to see a new KDH video

[@francispower1418]

Now on my 3rd Boogie. Love them when they work. If you are going to run a Boogie make sure you have an amp tech lined up who is good with working on them. They are relatively complicated beasts. Not all amp techs are up to working on them and plenty of the ones who are would rather not (I found mine, if you are anywhere near Coney Island!).

[@JosKirps]

Latest info from Mesa/Gibson: Boogie amps will be on display at the Gibson Garage London starting Feb 24, 2024, followed by the EU/UK sales relaunch in April 2024 (exact date TBA). Considering past developments, this could also slip into May/June, of course...

[@erajad]

I had a soft spot for MESA/Boogies, in part because a good friend had a lovely Mark IV, and back in the day my son had a Subway Rocket Reverb that was quite handy. Lately, however, I've been watching the videos on MESAs on the Psionic Audio, and Brad's Guitar Garage channels ... and not so enamoured. 😕

[@camaderrygoat1314]

I'm Irish and currently live in Germany, been a player for ages and I've still never plugged into a boogie, really would love to own a duel rec some day, they're crushing

[@Severinate]

Wanted a Mesa since I read Kim Thayil used them, but they were always expensive and limited supply, hard to try out before investing 'a lot' in one.

[@TheWilliamHoganExperience]

I own a 2014 rectoverb 25 1x12 combo. It served me quite well for several years as the gun I brought to the punk-rock guitar amp knife fight that was my previous band. This fight ensued when 5 or 6 guitarists showed up at my (now former) band's rehearsal free-form free-for-all jams. Bummer the spigot went dry for all y'all Limeys over there. Consider flying here to Los Angeles and buying one off the showroom floor in Hollwood. Leave it in the box, nail a crate up around it, and check it as baggage for your return flight. Tell Customs it's a really big toaster or something. That little MESA combo is a BEAST. If you ever get a chance to play through one, do it! You'll be heard over anything anyone can carry on stage with one hand, I gaurantee that. You'll sound really, really good doing so if you take the time and wear the industrial ear-plugs required to get the beast dialed in semi-safely. That thing played like an icepick to the heads of my erstwhile musical opponents. An AK-47 vs a bunch of kids with fender and Marshal cap-guns. One guy who tours with Sublime tried to smoke me one night with his Kemper through a Roland JC 100 twin. He failed. Total masacree I tell ya! You won't need a pedalboard either. Or a tuner if you're playing with - "The Farmers" - in Hermosa Beach. I'm the autistic guy on the SG, and I'm playing through that little MESA flamethrower on the song "Suck My D##k" here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip6tlaKCYs1mnaM Yea - it always got sucked good when I brought that amp alright. It was/is an amazing little amp, but I use analog drive pedals, pre-amps and digital effects and IRs cab sims through a pair of lightweight solid-state BOSE S-1 Pro mini line array PA speakers to get my sound now. Because I currently gig solo in more polite settings like this Farmer's Market: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4G6ooFvrJ2Vo9U Make no mistake - my BOSE and Pedal rig will still take your head clean off if I need it to - and it sounds better than my MESA boutique bling doing so because it's in stereo. It's all battery powered too. You know - for Busking! Ahhhh technology....

[@nowaylabs]

Even when they were available in Europe Mesa Boogie products had a bigger surcharge than most American amps so I expect the pricing to be just foolish if & when they'll return. I remember before covid seeing their 4x12 cabinets at 1800€ and laughing. There is expensive and there is offensive, manufacturers should understand that unless they target only a very specific group of people. BTW, Bogner amps are more or less the same, you rarely find their amps new in Europe.

[@shredenvain7]

Ola Englind keeps getting all the Mesa's. He as a Road king, Dual Rec, Mark 2c+, Mark 2 jcp+, badlander, and a Matk 7. The real problem is Ola Englind hording them all.

[@CarlstedtPlays]

I gave a mark iv and I'm going to keep it for playing at home and recording. For band practice and playing live I'll just go with engl and/or peavey. Costa about a fourth of a mesa head and is available pretty much everywhere in europe if anything should break on tour or so.

[@TrizzaW]

Wow, so glad I picked up my JP2C before the pandemic! Amazing amplifier but I don't think I could do the current pricing... Hopefully we'll get to try those Mark VIIs soon!

[@rkk578]

KZbin advert algorithm is great. When you said "this is what Mesa said:" an advert popped up with where the first line was "send money immediately".

[@daveh4925]

i have a mesa boogie 5:50 express i got it second hand for £650 around 8 years ago, i seem to remember only a few options at that time all very expensive and i managed to find a bargain - it works perfect and has a great distortion and a great clean tone would recommend as a flexible amp - its a well made amp sad that they are slowly becoming less available as you cant beat the real thing

[@johncook7286]

they are great amps. I bought a lonestar 5 years ago and it sounds amazing. Maybe it will give a few more headaches to the amptech who has to work on it eventually when it goes wrong and it will cost a bit more to fix - but you can't get away from the fact that they are amazing soundng amps

[@gavinBsussex]

Hmm I hated my express 5:25. I could never get a decent distortion tone out of it and was always disappointed in what it sounded like. Glad you like yours though.

[@daveh4925]

@@gavinBsussex Thanks what was the missing part of the distortion?

[@gordonmitchell8314]

Thanks for this info KDH. Really wanted to try out a Fillmore, they look like great amps. Guess I'll be waiting a while longer...

[@LeonidasLost480]

My Mesa 300 watt Bass Combo is called the Walkabout Scout 15 inch version. I bought it over10 years ago. I have taken the amp out of the combo to transport separately - it's designed for this. The rig is a giant killer and can hold its own with two guitars and drums. Obviously I have had the cover off the amp and it looks like an expensive hifi amp. The amp does have a cooling fan which is moderately loud. This means it can't be a practice amp but this baby wasn't designed for that. Anyway, I would like to change the fan for a quieter version. It can be an issue to get technicians in Northern Ireland to work on Mesa but I know a couple. Now this is a bass players view. When I bought the Mesa circa 10 years ago it was the the beginning of the "make it lighter" demand particularly for old people like me aged 70 into loud Led Zeppelin etc. But I have yet to hear the untamed roar of the Bear which the Mesa does in any other rig. I have played through Marshall and Ashdown stacks and the hair on the back of my neck does not rise in the way the Mesa performs. That said, Mesa are now horribly expensive here and a high quality 50 watt amp is probably enough put through the PA. Boy am I glad I missed the whole Backline plus PA design with earbuds. I am getting deaf now. That's the way rock bass players are meant to be, lol PS. My original real gear in the 70's was two Hiwatt 4 x 12 cabs and a Sound City amp of 120 watts I think. Now that would have brought down the walls of Jericho. I don't know what happenned but Watts are not as loud as they used to be. The Sound City rig liked to push me forward to fall off the stage. Thank you for this post highlighting the Mesa production problems. It does worry me from the point of view of serviceing; I just hope I die before it does.

[@woodenguitar666]

If they haven’t got some parts for the amps, you’d think they’d still keep selling cabs

[@uncred]

Back in the 90s I owned a mk2c and mk 1 reissue. The mk2c was one of the best amps I have ever owned.They had authorized service shops in my area but frankly they never did a great job.I had a problem with my mk2c which was from the 80s and the shop couldn't figure it out. I called boogie and they said send it in.Not only did they fix it for free and pay for shipping they put a fresh set of tubes in it.I live on the east coast in the states.I have never had better customer service from any company before or since.I haven't dealt with them in years but compare to all my other experiences with bigger companies it still amazes me.Sending an amp for repair from the UK is probably not an option.I have read in the past that the reason they're not sold overseas is because of warranty and repair concerns.

[@Theweeze100]

I have a Fillmore 50 combo and I do love the old school tone. That being said, I understand that I am in for some heartache if and when I ever need to have it worked on. I also think that I might be able to find some thing that sounds just as good for a lot less money. The vox AC 30 and the right pedal might just be preferable? Just my opinion…I hope that helps. 😊

[@JH-kd6hs]

AC30 and the right pedal - that's a rabbit hole

[@tarkett8529]

EHX mig 50 cab and head 👍

[@myoptik3x103]

But how can I nu metal without a Mesa Boogie?

[@alexdenton6586]

Modeling is the way

[@g.koch.]

Peavey Triple X

[@TacticalHyena]

@@alexdenton6586 cope more

[@eliasmsv3156]

Fender deluxe reverb with a hm-clone in the front

[@alexdenton6586]

@@TacticalHyena ?

[@-LSTR-]

At Thomann there was a possibility to order all kinds of amps and cabs with more than 6 months delivery time, till a few months ago. Now there is nothing for sale anymore

[@Infinighost]

I played a Mark V:25 for a few years. Bought it from their Sunset Blvd storefront, which is now closed. I've since sold the amp for an Orange 50w head which I prefer much, much more. I can't believe MB amps are even MORE expensive in Europe than here, where they are still quite boutique and expensive.

[@Infinighost]

Oh wow, I just looked up the price of the Mark V:25 and it costs $2,000 USD now? Wow, I think it was $1,399 which was still pretty insane and more than I should have spent for an amp with very little clean headroom.

[@pastilance1]

I was browsing for Mesa amps yesterday and I was asking myself the same question. This video couldn't hit a better timing.

[@veganpower7825]

The price increases are disgusting🤢 especially if you're looking for peavey amps. It's crazy out there nowadays.

[@69mosshead]

Wouldn't piss on a Peavey after Undercover Boss.

[@jimdep6542]

@@69mosshead That was brutal. My respect for Hartley Peavey and his undercover executive friend nose dived after seeing a clips.

[@KevCorr91]

Great stuff, man! 😁👍 Thanks for this vid, at least there's something to go on.

[@tommurrayGTR]

Very well timed! I was just looking last night, even in the pre-owned market there's basically nothing. Hopefully whoever this new enthusiastic supplier is they also get the prices at a better price for EU buyers

[@castleanthrax1833]

Without any direct competition from other Mesa suppliers, I wouldn't count on it.

[@ItsSkingles]

I once got kicked out of a newly started Death Metal band because the drummer was adamant that everyone has to use Mesa Boogie amps and I really didn't want to drop over a grand I didn't have buying another amp just to play with them 🤷‍♂

[@psycheadfuzzfreak830]

sheeeeeeshh dodge a bullet there bro!!

[@c.arandyl]

That is frankly... quite dumb. That band is not worth you nor your playing.

[@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful]

He can dictate to you what amps you use when you can tell him to play a specific DW kit with only Zilgan symbols. Screw playing with people like that

[@jimdep6542]

that's why he's a drummer.

[@christebo7305]

Since when does a Death Metal band require Mesas? Lol Literally the last brand outside of the 80s and early 90s you see in the subgenre...😂

[@franckrichard8077]

Okay, thanks for the video, this is very helpfull. I was hoping to get one of those little California Tweed 10" for my 50th birthday ..... I think I will have to wait a bit more to celebrate my retirement leave ! or maybe I'd better look at what KOCH has to offer. I understand people are attached to Mesa due to THAT heavy sound you can ear on most of metal records, but when you are looking for clean / crunch sounds, you have a whole lot of choice !

[@brendanhoffmann8402]

In the early 2000s my band borrowed a big vintage mesa boogie amp and quad box that this old lady was using for her keyboard! We recorded a song and overdubbed the guitars to make it sound huge! The song was 'march of the albatross'

[@hardworkmusic]

Man, thanks for the video! You are the first youtuber that I know who is adressing the issue and bringing clarity. I did some research and was shocked that no online store has mesa boogie amps in stock. I ended up getting a mini rectifier, supposedly new, from eBay. Problem is that the led stripe doesn't seem to work and I have to use transformer to use it in Germany. ):

[@t0m1k33]

And here we are in march 2024 so almost a year after the video and still no mesa in europe xdd but last week or so gibson opened new shop in the UK so that should mean there will be new mesa gear in the upcoming months atleast in UK which could potentially atleast boost the used marked with the new mesa stuff, still it looks li we wont get new mesa in EU anytime soon...

[@stephenfoley1261]

My M9 was heavy as lead and chock full circuit boards. However with only a pre amp tube it was super reliable. My now D800 has no valves, is light weight and super reliable. My mates Lonestar on the other hand was a dog the day he bought it....

[@dw7704]

One local store has had a lot of used Mesa Boogie amps, because people get rid of them after finding out how heavy they are. And as a result they are offering less if you want to trade one in. Because it might be coming back This is in Canada. So kind of off topic,but could impact things

[@Kali-Yuga-Peace-Corp]

Atleast 7 years if not more in Scandinavia. They lost their dealer or something. So all the shops sold of the Mesa Boogie stuff dirt cheap. I only bought a pedal back then, but wish I had bought a cabinet, as their cabinets are my favourite sounding by any manufacturer. The amps I have barely tried.

[@burtosu86guitar]

Nice video, just got a dual Rectifier sh, no new ones online and almost the price of a new one, but it growls like a beast

[@1978garfield]

Mesa/Boogie, the amp that makes Marshall seem reliable. BTW the Euro safety standards are why Fender amps now have those crappy jacks and pots with the plastic threads. If you ever have to work on one you have to hope you don't strip any of the plastic threads as you reassemble it. I don't notice it on amps but on welders it is obvious if one is made to the Euro standards because the mains switch will be on the back near the power cord. Ones built just for the North American market will have a power switch on the front. It is nice not having to reach around back every time you want to turn it on.

[@nevesnow]

Something similar may happened with Peavey, since 2 or 3 years I don't find any new 6505+ heads and neither the 6505 II nowhere to buy in Europe..

[@jeremystone7709]

I've learned your youtube secret. Your voice over work is Marvelous!.

[@Hamerguy68]

I always wanted a Mesa amp since 1986. Got a Mesa Mark V35 head in custom color and matching 1x12" Thiele cab in 2016, when I was looking for lighter and more compact gear, using a Marshall 6100 and JCM900 1960A before. I was interested in the Fillmore too. Moreso, since I am the bassist in the band, I wanted a smaller bass rig, Mesa's Subway TT800 and 1x12" cab sounded interesting. But I have really become weary looking for gear that is not available. I might get a Fender Deluxe Reverb and a Bassman 800. The Bassman isn't really a class D "pocket amp" and Fender doesn't have small cabs that match the head. But hey, it just sounds great. I think I am done with Mesa gear.

[@aftertheendtimes]

Great points you mention 🙏❤️🎸

[@alexcampos7953]

Just as a side note, thomann used to have some mesa stuff about 6 months ago (maybe slightly more), I was looking for a 412 and was between the orange and the mesa one. When I finally decided to buy the mesa, it was gone not even a mention to mesa name. I even thought I was on a different thomann region by accident, nop, no longer selling mesa stuff.

[@castleanthrax1833]

Sounds like they only had one cab.

[@lewismcnicholas2631]

Luckily I got my Cali Tweed just as Covid struck then managed to get a later edition Mark IV B and 2x12 cab second hand so I'm covered for my Mesa needs for now! I did have a JP-2C on order for a long time before deciding to go for the Mark IV

[@geraldrauch1701]

picked up my 2008 mark IV rite at the start of covid for a great price compared to what they are selling for now...have it paired with a badlander 50W in a stereo rig...sounds awesome!!!

[@YoungManNihilist]

Hi KDH, thanks for the good content you keep creating! I've got a three-channel Dual Rectifier (no multi-watt) I got second hand for €1000, came with a full set of backup valves. It was pretty good deal, but recently I've noticed especially second-hand Rectifier prices coming down quite a bit here in Finland. To me this is a bit perplexing as new ones have definitely not been coming in, I assume it's mostly due to the price point making Mesa the choice for a more "serious" guitarist, many of which are now moving towards digital gear. I've been considering a Quad Cortex myself, but not to be used as an only amp. I'm just emotionally too attached to the huge stacks and the way they scream rock'n'roll.

[@DrMurdercock]

Amazon has these wall tiles that are textured. They have some that match your oranges stripes pretty well.

[@warwickgb]

Really interesting video, but amazed that such a time honoured range now owned by Gibson haven’t been able to overcome supply chain issues and EU paperwork in 3 years! The competition must have seen a big increase in sales .

[@Golem29]

Mesa are a relatively small operation too which doesn't help. Makes me wonder why Gibson don't expand them to help meet demand. Part of me thinks it's deliberate to drive up the prices of the amps.

[@david-no]

And the prices have definitely gone up.

[@Scott__C]

Yeah, they like to act like Gibson is a boutique guitar company and they'll act like that with Mesa as well.

[@bartoszuczak5730]

In Poland I was only able to get preamp tubes 12AX7 from an authorised dealer but no power or rectifier tubes... poor Mesa :(

[@jackbutler1955]

I am wondering if the Hiwatt from the 70's is more affordable than the Petrucci... what model was the Hiwatt in your video, sweet amp

[@Scott__C]

You could almost buy an original plexi for some of their prices.

[@pip5528]

I live in the US and have wanted the JP-2C since it came out. It was less expensive than the Mark VII when it came out and then they raised the price to compensate. I was upset by that. I consider it to be more versatile in tone shaping options even with only 1 voicing and I hate that the older amp became the new flagship even over the brand new standard amp. Marshall made the same arbitrary decision by making the JCM 800 over a grand more expensive than the Silver Jubilee despite being less versatile. The Studio Classic and Jubilee however are still the same price as each other but for some bizarre reason the big heads have such a huge price gap.

[@Kinger1625]

Inflation after the pandemic is killing everything from food to amplifiers. The jump in prices has been crazy. It cost my friend 5000$ to own the new MKVll, and it sounds great! Talk about the ability to cut through a mix….this amp has it. It saddens me that more Mesa products aren’t available. The price differences in the 90’s was crazy. I remember visiting Scotland, and seeing Marshall’s 500$ cheaper, and Peavey bandits at close to a thousand dollars! Import tax and such over the years has been an interesting hurdle. Great video! Glad you had a good time at NAMM too! Rock on!

[@rb032682]

Greed is trumping the world! A very sad condition.

[@scrumpmonkey]

Imagine this but its generators for power plants, turbines for ships etc. That's the reality in all areas of industry right now.

[@VitrificationOfBlood]

Please do a video like this on BC rich and how they keep releasing new Ironbirds that nobody ever sees in real life

[@chrismiller5875]

Marshall has the same problem with the JBM...has much More to go wrong but same thing with cars like Mercedes, personally I would be happy with the Express 550 212 ...great pedal anmp among other things

[@coalfacechris1336]

Own a couple of Mesa's. They aren't easy to maintain if something goes away in them.

[@KnowThings]

Thank you for this video. I stumbled about this 3 weeks ago while thinking about getting a set of new tubes for my Trem-O-Verb. With Gibson buying Mesa Boogie, I don't expect to see Boogies soon over here... ...unfortunately. I also wrote Thomann and they wrote back "please give us a call, that will be easier to explain"...

[@twintriode]

Good luck to you guys over in the EU. I have a Mark V and its the best amp I've ever had, and I have owned a 66 Super Reverb, 76 Marshall Master Volume,. and Several black/silver panel Bassman/Bandmaster's.

[@twintriode]

Well checking Andertons today I see the stock is now coming in. A Mark VII full stack will only run ya 7,147. Not sure if that includes VAT. Start chalking up those views so big daddy KZbin sends you a nice check.

[@ramblingimbecile2295]

Same issues are occuring in many sectors of the economy. Car manufacturers are struggling to get components, now imagine if it's a power station or a water treatment facility that cannot get the parts they need. This is genuinely happening now

[@matt_phistopheles]

The main problem with this situation is that is almost impossible to get spare parts for amp repair. While some of them are easy to replace with stock parts others are not.

[@danielbentley7117]

0:29 - The H in Thomann is silent. Just like Thomas in English.

[@martyshwaartz971]

While prices are going up for all the amp brands, I’m unsure if I’ve ever seen a price increase as big as that petrucci model.

[@mvenuti1980]

Feel my Marshall pain! I love my MB Filmore 50. I like the sounds of the Mark series, but I don’t feel like putting in 30 minutes to dial in a sound.

[@Diabolik771]

I bought a Mesa head back in the 90's. I could mimic any amp with it. So much you can do with them. Playing live, I never went above like 2 or 3, so powerful.

[@cchavezjr7]

In 95, when I was first learning to play guitar I was in a small shop and there was a 1x12 Mesa Boogie for sale. It was something like $375 so not that much for a good amp and I asked the owner of the shop about it. He looked at me and said you don't want it. It's WAY too powerful for you. I didn't really understand it at the time but he really was right. Now, I have a 2x12 Lonestar and with the ability to select wattage makes for a happy wife lol.

[@0i-di]

I know this is a Mesa vid but I’ve been having delays with my Gallien Krueger order with Andertons. I wonder has anyone else? First eta was early May, then late May and now mid July! I could get something custom made faster! 😡 They cited ‘production delays’ but after watching this vid on Mesa, I wonder whether some of the issues you mention have affected GK too? I noticed, like with Mesa, you can’t seem to be able to get GK amps anywhere in the UK right now. As a gigging musician, it’s just lucky that I haven’t sold my existing rig yet. 25 year Ampeg customer, decided to take the leap and change to GK and this is my first experience with them. Not a good start.

[@pideuhweuh8459]

Is the same thing happening with Peavey ? Thomann isn't carrying them anymore (at least for now)

[@BecomingProductions]

Its such a pity, I was upgrading my rig quite extensively over the past year and would have absolutely considered Mesa gear had it been available in Europe. Instead I opted for a lovely Diezel VHX and a pair of Hesu 4x12's from Thomann. I wouldnt change a thing now but that likely would have been a good few grand going to Mesa had their gear been available. I'm sure there many more like me too. Hopefully they get their shit together in the next few years before my next gear refresh.

[@matt_hayward]

Ah much like Rickenbacker here in Australia. Not only were they crazy expensive, but dealers would take orders that never got fulfilled. Because they can sell all their production in California alone 😐

[@JamesScott-kg7rk]

I have never heard a Mesa Boogie tone I like.

[@PerpetuallyTiredMusician]

Very enlightening, been pondering the mesa boogie "shortage" for a while. Ty for doing the legwork and reporting. Peace

[@BSPotter]

I have 2 Mesa amps. A TC100 head and a Fillmore 100 combo. Zero issues so far. I bought a Marshall JVM215C and compared to the Fillmore the build quality was insultingly poor. All of the tone pots and selector buttons were loose. When you press a button everything moved. Also the white piping around the grille looked like a school kid assembled it, whereas the piping on the Fillmore is perfect. I literally boxed it back up and sent it back 24 hours after unboxing it. So I guess based on your personal luck with an amp brand your story will vary.

[@costas0]

I love your videos on rather unique topics

[@Podcastforthewin]

Mesa is expensive here in Canada, same with Marshall. Same with anything you can buy anywhere in Canada. We pay more for things that we make.

[@enjoiandrew4]

Had an orange th30 that has no master and was hard to use at home. Meant to get a mini rectifier but the shop owner misunderstood and ordered me a 100w dual rec. Bought it anyway and was initially super bummed that I payed over half of what I intended but the th30 didn't last long after I started playing the rec. The clean channel is, admittedly, kinda meh, it's still a little hot. But aside from that, I love the control and usability I have with such a beast of an amp. I can't say I recommend them because the pricing is so high but the quality and details of the amps is comparable to that of a core prs, in my opinion. Curious to see how the quality is affected with gibson at the helm.

[@David..]

I’ve been trying to get my hands on one of those Mesa cabinets that where made by Ghandi and the pickups wired Tony Blair for John Petrucci and can’t seem to find them even being located in the US.

[@JosKirps]

The (...) grand opening the Gibson Garage in London on February 24, 2024 (...) Fans will have the chance to explore {...} Gibson, Epiphone, Kramer, MESA/Boogie, and Maestro. This is from Gibson's official website btw, so it seems that Boogie will soon be back in the UK an maybe even in the EU.

[@miniharez]

I ordered a triple crown here in the USA 3 years ago, and its still on back order! But I got it locked in at $2,499 and now its $3,499! So whenever they do come in I get it at the original price when i ordered it.

[@jezmez68]

Got a surf-green Fillmore 25 last August for $1500. It's pretty sweet. I've wanted a Boogie for 30 years, and I really like it.

[@hydorah]

I didn't even notice they were gone! I do Like their earlier products, '70s and '80s stuff

[@amimaster]

Some months ago I went in a big guitar center in my country which I hadn't visited in like 10 years, just to spend some time. As I noticed they had no Mesa amps I found it weird and went out of the store a bit sad, but didn't suspect that it could be an issue all across europe..

[@RadOGuitar]

I write to mesa to be a authorized Repair service. They told me the amps will arrive to europe at the end of this year.

[@BachtotheFutureBWV]

Any update on this KDH?

[@KDH]

Haven’t heard anything I’m afraid

[@MarkSDD]

Andertons shot some videos at Gibson a week or two ago and Lee mentioned in one of them that he asked Gibson directly about this and they've said around March/April next year.

[@BachtotheFutureBWV]

@@MarkSDD cheers!

[@stroopwafel6141]

I did not spot Boogies in shops for quite a while. Maybe they got too expensive or they're just not available anymore. I had a Caliber which was not a particularly juicy amp with so so cleans. I tried a Nomad in the shop but found it hard to dial in/find the sweet spot. Bought a Rivera instead. Since 2004 I play Orange Rockerverbs, simple and pristine sounding amps.