Disco Inferno on: Kevin Nash & Bill Goldberg's backstage drama at Starrcade 98

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[@kerpal321]

did you guys listen to loveline and howard stern a lot in the late 90s while on the road and after the shows?

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@Vince Williams FAAAAAWK YEAH!

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@@kerpal321 Stern yes, Loveline no.

[@jimmymetal713]

Is Erik part of your show now? I remember erok from ona.

[@Shaner373]

@Vince Williams round the bases cawksucka!

[@happyduck4523]

i'm on a K100 rabbit hole tonight, you guys got the hands down greatest WCW stories.

[@sweetpetergeda]

honestly in my lifetime, 1998 probably was the best time in wrestling. all wrestling was watchable that year

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

every company was on fire. although, I would say that WCW in 1997 was their greatest run.

[@northleedspoppa]

Heat wave 1998 was fire

[@starkillerbeats420]

98 - 99 wcw was truly world class , all the best wrestlers

[@giovahnnigucci409]

You ain’t lying! Even 1997 too! I remember changing the channel back n forth from RAW to NITRO!!! It was hard to decide which one to watch!🎉🎉

[@rosefarrell2440]

Without doubt. Then the finger poke of doom and wcw awful decisions was the start of wcw downfall.

[@ShaFnZAM]

Went to Nitro at Nassau Coliseum back in the Attitude Era. It was an amazing atmosphere. Party crowd. 4 hour show with Goldberg vs Meng as the main event. The crowd pop was LOUD.

[@TheKevinNewsom]

The problem wasn't Goldberg losing. The problem was what happened after. The fingerpoke of doom made the big storylines from 98 irrelevant. Awesome show!

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

So true. had this lead to a Nash vs Goldberg series, maybe Hogan turned face by getting kicked out of the nWo, Goldberg, Hart, Hogan & Flair teaming up to take on the new Wolfpac... so much great stuff that WCW just threw away

[@LanceVance81]

Especially that nWo Hollywood vs nWo Wolfpac feud.

[@TheKevinNewsom]

@@LanceVance81 Yep. nWo Civil War could/should have been epic.

[@TheKevinNewsom]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL That would have been a sweet storyline! Talk about drawing money...

[@leatherface9377]

Keepin' It 100 OFFICIAL As a fan of WCW my fandom died with the finger poke

[@healer246]

Imagine if they built up Scott Steiner sooner and had him beat Goldberg for the belt. I feel that could’ve been hot

[@billywashere6965]

That would have made a lot of sense.

[@danielrierson6683]

Or booker t. That was basically what hhh and rock was

[@ROCKNINJA777]

@@danielrierson6683 no booker k is not up there. He's more like a mid-carder. A good one, but still.

[@eldudearino89]

Dig it

[@orangesilver4568]

DDP would have been the best way to beat Goldberg he was on fire at that time.

[@neckutter]

Disco sneezes into his mic, then blows his nose. Nice and professional

[@Nosfeast]

He got to be the center of attention that's why he don't let anyone else speak.

[@bobcatwelder00]

can not spit out the cocaine and waste the rush

[@markmann5539]

Kevin Nash had THE coolest look ever. People today forget how over he was during that face run in 98.

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@Ultra Instinct 94 i didn't like the long grey hair look

[@arthurrimbaud7287]

lol.

[@mrcoreynitro]

When he had that face run in 2003 WWE nobody cared

[@awizonme5248]

Big Daddy Cool😎

[@poindextersheelturn436]

@Vince Williams Your crazy, Diesel was cool.

[@lovelyheadphones5152]

this is really why I love this show so much, these stories are just incredible. Wish we could get more of them.

[@kylejoseph7849]

Get a life

[@phillipstankey8881]

Biggest problem with the finger poke of doom is that the fans really WANTED to see Nash and Hogan square off. The poke took that off the table

[@jesterr7133]

It was weird, but I was a big fan of Norman Smiley, Prince Iaukea, Jerry Flynn, and Scott Norton, so it didn't bother me that much. I was happy to see all of them actually get on a PPV for once.

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

Notice how Nash never talks about how Goldberg got some of the loudest pops in pro wrestling history. Only mentions the boos in pro WWF towns. Once Goldberg lost at Starrcade did he ever win the WCW world title again? No. Once Nash and Hogan got Bill out of the way, there was nothing to stop them from completely running the show. Goldberg's rise and streak was the last time WCW really listened to their fans.

[@ronniejdio9411]

And wcw never beat WWF again after that bad booking

[@bigwrestlingfan3365]

@@ronniejdio9411 true

[@bigwrestlingfan3365]

this is all true

[@billblaski9523]

Lol did Goldberg never really win the WCW title again?

[@aRahman4Media]

@@bigwrestlingfan3365 nope

[@chicagomike4587]

"I can start remembering specific things that I remember" - Disco Inferno (The Mark Twain of Pro Wrestling )

[@misterx6346]

"I never said any of the things I said" Disco.

[@mikeg155]

From what I remember: -Sting took time off in October. -Bret got a groin injury in November. -Warrior was gone in November. -Hogan was doing the Presidency angle. -Macho Man got injured in June/July. -Raven left after Halloween Havoc -Piper left after Fall Brawl

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

Raven & Piper didn't leave.

[@mikeg155]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL TV, not company.

[@stedarkside1529]

Raven didn't leave until the summer of 99 and Piper was there until roughly the same time

[@mikeg155]

@@stedarkside1529 Raven left TV after Halloween Havoc, Piper left TV after War Games. Neither came back until around February.

[@donovanbradford8231]

I want to say as far as Hogan, Savage, and Piper had contracts that had specific dates and being used a certain number if times and that played a part in why they didn't show up later on in 98. All of Hogan's dates were used and that's why he was doing the Presidential angle to give a reason. Raven is a wired one being out, either he was injured or thing else.

[@edwardclement102]

Nash and Hall both started in NWA, both went North WWF AWA had big runs, later invaded WCW Outsiders, later hit NWA again in TNA.

[@misternogood]

There was a Nitro in Worcester, MA and the outsiders were so fuckin over...it was probably their first visit back and Hall said "Hey WOOSTA....[crowd goes nuts] we missed you too" fire

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he would do that specifically to annoy the faces backstage

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

Look at it though, Goldberg never won the world title again after losing to Nash. They gave it to Jeff Jarrett like 1000 times, David Arquette and Vince Russo once but not Goldberg. During Goldberg's title reign Hogan still mostly main evented, even when Goldberg's segments did huge ratings and he was white hot. You can't kill the golden goose before you have something as hot or hotter to replace it. Hogan was behind the finger poke of doom though, so overall he gets more blame than Nash. But Nash definitely had huge influence in beating Goldberg.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

Goldberg was as over as he was going to be, putting the title on him wouldn't have made him a bigger deal. Sadly though, WCW waited until 2000 to start pushing guys like Booker T, Scott Steiner etc as world champions.

[@MrJjburgess11]

Wasn't Goldberg injured shortly after Nash beat him? And was out for almost a year? He put his arm through the limousine window lol

[@SB-xj8xj]

That was in the year 2000. The nWo somewhat disbanded in spring of 99. They tried to come back in 2000 when Russo took over and you had Hall, Nash, Jeff Jarrett and Bret Hart. It was around January or February of 2000 when Bill put his hand through the window.

[@nostalgiaman6816]

I was about to argue with you. But you’re right. You’re fucking right. He never won the title again. That’s crazy. I could have swore he won it in 2000/2001.

[@Autobot_Megatron]

@@nostalgiaman6816 He DID win the title again. He defeated Sting at Halloween Havoc 1999. Think he ended up vacating the title, which lead to Mayhem 1999 or something. I don't think it was a long reign, but he is recognised as a two time WCW Champion.

[@danielresendez229]

The problem was & JR said this in the rise & fall of WCW dvd "If you're making a new star, you don't make him by losing the main event of the biggest show"

[@billywashere6965]

This 100%

[@Rjensen2]

Making a new star? Ross, as usual, is talking out of his ass. Goldberg was already huge at this point but running out of steam fast.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

@@Rjensen2 I believe he ran out of steam because of the lousy booking he got, thanks to Nash. You can almost see the sabotage.

[@Rjensen2]

@@ROCKNINJA777 Definitely not...they were chanting Goldberg Sucks well before Starrcade. Goldberg had very little going for him beyond a great look. Once people got used to it, it was over for him because there wasn't anything else.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

@@Rjensen2 he's a powerhouse. He was super exciting to watch, unlike Flair, Hogan, Piper..

[@jackiejones3296]

ever since I was a kid, the thing that stood out to me so much about Starrcade was how terrible the stage was. It was literally a massive cardboard sign hanging from chains.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

I read that Bischoff was getting heat for spending so much on the stage sets, so maybe this was a compromise

[@10YRWWEPPV]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL the set was kind of recycled from 1997 but with an orange scheme instead of blue.

[@Rjensen2]

Cardboard, my ass. Besides, the '97 had the exact same design.

[@jackiejones3296]

@@Rjensen2 both cardboard then

[@Rjensen2]

@@jackiejones3296 How do even know its made out of cardboard? Do you think all thin signs are cardboard? Why are you so sure it's made of cardboard?

[@norbertschnurrbart936]

Disco Inferno laughing when he said, Goldberg thought he was done after his first lost struck me. I mean Goldberg was right, he never had another run with the belt. Thinking about the fact, that he was their biggest superstar and most over babyface and never got another run with the belt shows you how f***ed up WCW really was!

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

... you know you don't need to have the title to be a top guy, right?

[@norbertschnurrbart936]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL He was not a top guy, he was THE top guy. Imagine Hogan, Bruno, Austin or Cena never being champion. Do you think they would have been as successful as they were without being champion? I doubt it very much!

[@Y2JLionHeart]

@Blvck Lvnd He couldn't cut a promo, either. And his small legs were goofy looking. One of the most overrated wrestlers ever. Almost all hype.

[@norbertschnurrbart936]

​@Blvck Lvnd "he was done without the belt" -I don't think he was done in the fans minds. I just think he was way too over to not be champion again. Like I said he was THE guy in WCW. Can you imagine Austin losing the title to Kane in June 98 and never regain it? Or Rock never again regaining it after losing it at WM XV? You would send a message to the fans, that you don't care about them! That's the message WCW was sending to fans like me who liked WCW, but chose to quit watching it, because "I wasn't good enough for WCW to give me something that i wanted". So I just watched WWF instead. I think a lot of people felt the same, because a lot of people stopped caring about WCW around 1999! "He couldn't get over unless he was booked in nothing but squash matches, no psychology, no storyline, just Goldberg Spear & Jackhammer every single match" - That's one way to look at it. But look at Goldberg at the time. He was a monster. Anything other than him destroying guys left and right wouldn't have gotten him over! And he did it in a way you believed it. Kind of like the Road Warriors. They looked like they could kill you and that's what they did. And I don't think any other booking would have gotten them as over! But you can't really deny their success can you? And they eventually learned how to work, so could Goldberg in time! "The Rock was the most over Superstar in the WWF/E without having the belt multiple times" - I agree he got so over because of his talent! He is a once in a lifetime Superstar, one of the biggest of all time who is so talented he became one of the most popular actors in current time as well as you might know. And because he was so over, that is why he became a 8 or 9 times World Champion. "He was Mark with no character depth" - Was he a mark? Yes, he probably was. No character depth? Does Brock Lesnar have any character depth? Was he such a box office attraction in UFC because of his "character" or because he was a monster who was destroying guys? Goldberg kind of was a take on MMA. I would rather say he got over despite of no character depth, angles or storylines because he was believable! "You just cannot get over the fact that Bill just wasn't as good as he was Booked to be" - Eventhough I agree that he was careless in the ring and a limited worker, you can't deny the fact he is one of the biggest superstars of modern wrestling! Just look at the live gates, ratings and ppv buys when he was on top of WCW. Or just look and listen at the reactions he got when he came back in 2016! "Berg Mark" Yes I was a huge Goldberg fan back then. Eventhough I liked Austin and Rock more, I am sure I wasn't in the minority enjoying Goldberg in WCW in 1998/early 1999!

[@Raytheman581]

@Blvck Lvnd Your story is messed up, the rock did have the belt mutliple times, he's a 6 time world champ and he was like a 3 time world champ back in the attitude era. Regardless of goldberg not being good in the ring he had character, he had the ability to pull off his moves right and make things look like they hurt. I don't see many people saying goldberg was good in the ring, but he was over with the fans and he stayed over with the fans through his whole run even without the streak. I just think you people hate ultimate warrior type characters, but remember he couldn't wrestle either and he was super over as well. Saying he was all hype is just ignoring history that he was still really over from 99 to 00 even outside of squash matches. in 99 he barely even had any squash matches. And no i'm not a goldberg mark, I just hate when people get revisionist history just cause they hate someone. Your comment almost makes me think you didn't even watch wcw.

[@liamstewart4472]

14 minute answer and they didn't actually answer my question. I LOVE this show.

[@sabreeemneely]

I don't believe it's you lol!

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

still, you got a good story from it though.

[@LukeNitestalker]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL Boom

[@liamstewart4472]

@@sabreeemneely Say what?

[@sabreeemneely]

@@liamstewart4472 Lol! It's the internet. If you told me 2+2=4 I wouldn't believe you.

[@burntvirtue]

There's a difference between "he can't be undefeated forever" and ending the streak just to end it in a shitty way that doesn't satisfyingly pay off the build.

[@Sluggen7n7]

It wasn’t Starrcade or the finger poke that turned wcw fans (myself) away. It was the belt going back to Hogan. If Nash kept it and unified nWo I would of stayed. It went to hogan and I turned the channel. Austin and McMahon was epic but it was also the Mankind vs Rock feud turned me permanently (I quit match at RR99 specifically). My group of friends never spent a penny on wcw ever again.

[@hendrix-giovannijohnson9701]

@The Ninth Heart nooooo....BOOKER T

[@Tony-fq5bn]

WcW had buried pretty much everything by 99 or would finish the job in 99. Buried the cruiserweight division, took the 3 most popular luchadores masks, the TV Title division used to be a GOOD COMPETITIVE division then you see them throwing the title in the trash, they used to keep all the divisions relatively seperate, but man, to me it seemed like Nash would always be burying storylines that didn't have to do with him.

[@Sluggen7n7]

@@Tony-fq5bn I believe the last great WCW show was Spring Stampede 99 with a great undercard, mid card and main event but after that they were out of gas. When they switched nitro sets and wcw logo in April 99 it was almost a symbolic change that change wasn't for better. The last 3 months in 2001 they were bringing back the cruiserweights and was excited to see where it could of gone if WWF didn't buy it. Nash was massively over in 1998 with or without his politics. The main storyline was NWO split that entire year and the way they kinda threw it in the trash with "the band" getting back together was garbage. From 1996 until here the loyal WCW fans wanted to see the Outsiders turn on Hogan. We never really got that besides the two weeks after Starrcade. Nash having the belt would of been far more refreshing then having the next 3-4 months having title focus on Hogan and Flair again.

[@bladey_0_10]

The belt going back to Hogan and Goldberg not getting another title run made me stop watching WCW.

[@Thurs1t0]

You mean seeing hogan flair for 100th time wasn’t appealing? Lol.

[@jamesmccormick875]

I just watched when Nash broke the streak, people were cheering Nash and popped big time when he won. Watch it!

[@frankricard3853]

The crowd was very evenly split that night!

[@misterx6346]

I think a lot of people Goldberg had run his course and was becoming stale. Funny though that they allowed the NWO to get super played out though.

[@leelohaskin7941]

@@misterx6346 lol anyone from the NWO had ZERO rights to say that, that includes Wolfpack as well

[@412StepUp]

Yeah then 20 seconds later they realized they really didn’t want Goldberg to loose.

[@nathancullins9301]

And to be fair the Konnan vs Jericho feud was GREAT both could go in the ring and were money on the mic

[@MaxwellSchreck66633]

Watching these shows live back in the day... this is the night WCW died. Me and everyone I knew starting getting bored with WCW at this point and WWF started becoming the most watch show.

[@PhillipCummingsUSA]

Nash & Hall basically were against anyone that had a chance of being bigger than them.

[@jakelang806]

Except for guys have already bigger than them because they were friends with them

[@billblaski9523]

It was actually Hogan that put the kibosh on alot of the angles. The NWO Black vs NWO Wolfpac never happened cus of Hogan. AFter Goldberg won the title off Hogan, Goldberg didnt even fued with the NWO, that was a Hogan call. The fingerpoke of doom, Nash gets alot of shit for that but that was also all Hogan. Hogan was basically head booker back then, he had Bischoffs ear and Bishoff did what Hogan wanted.

[@CarterHayes77]

more like Hogan. He had creative control

[@leelohaskin7941]

@@billblaski9523 it was a combo of all three, mainly Hogan's ass smh

[@tarijohn1924]

It was Hogan, not Nash.

[@blueblur2273]

Konan not buying Disco's claim of Nash burying Goldberg as strictly business and neither am I. They buried the hottest angle going at the time and had 0 plans for Goldberg after to keep his momentum going. You don't stop an angle that hot for a guy unless you have another great plan for him to follow it up with. They had nothing planned for Goldberg which shows you that it wasn't all business.

[@blueblur2273]

@Blvck Lvnd Rumor and innuendo is that the only reason Hogan dropped the belt to Goldberg was so that he could be the 1st to end the streak and get it back. But Nash politicked himself into the booking committee's favor so much that he ended up being the guy to get to end Goldberg's streak. I guess because of that Hogan got mad and decided to do a retirement angle until he came out of retirement to beat Nash for the title. Nash didn't care about the belt because he knew being the 1st guy to beat Goldberg was more important.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

hottest angle going was Austin vs Rock

[@blueblur2273]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL I'm talking about hottest angle for WCW and around this time Austin was feuding with Mcmahon and Undertaker while the Rock and Corporation was feuding with Mankind and DX. So Austin vs Rock actually wasn't the hottest angle at this time.

[@KobaAM]

@@blueblur2273 ugh, how ridiculous. Bunch of 40+ year olds scheming to be the guy to end some fake wrestling streak.

[@westismine9693]

it's content like this why K100 is the greatest wrestling podcast out there. I could listen to stories like this all day.

[@chrisintx5844]

Bobby the Brain said this is when WCW lost it, when they ended Goldberg's win streak

[@downwithputinsaveukraine1313]

People were starting to boo Goldberg.

[@ronniejdio9411]

@@downwithputinsaveukraine1313 no one has ever said this except hall and nash. No one..ever

[@santorizzuto7360]

@@ronniejdio9411 uh disco just said that in the video. Lol

[@robertmilvae1408]

I went to the Raw where Taker hung Austin on his symbol and the crowd was chanting for Goldberg that night.

[@Steve-mx6lz]

Disko out here with the good stories , respect

[@IWRInteractive]

Disco is right. Not sure who the non-wrestler co-host is but he does a great job with the details. Really enjoy listening to these clips.

[@jackiejones3296]

and the line up was TRASH. How did they not do a Booker T vs Stevie Ray match?! That storyline had been going for months

[@BrianLG100]

Rumor has it that they didn't wanna fight eachother.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

@@BrianLG100 and miss out their biggest possible payday of the year? you heard lies

[@BrianLG100]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL Yeah, I figured, but then again around this time, Stevie Ray was missing for a few weeks around this time.

[@jackiejones3296]

@@BrianLG100 i really hope that's not true because that's petty corny (for wrestlers I mean)

[@BrianLG100]

@@jackiejones3296 After all, they are really brothers.

[@jjayflash]

Just got finished watching World War 3 98. Nash was one of the last three with Luger and Hall two of his friends. I love the standoff between the Wolfpac, Horsemen, and NWO Hollywood.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

should have been more.

[@lovelyheadphones5152]

anyone else remember the Nash vs Goldberg rematch from Spring Stampede? just a great match, these guys always gave us something special

[@smith1341]

i know that you guys don't care about us but this may be your most interesting clip you've ever put on here. I'd never heard it before.

[@anthonycampos8057]

Having Goldberg lose the way he did was beyond stupid.

[@philwalsh8975]

Give a better way

[@raphaelkoch1573]

If anything they protected him because Nash needed big interference to beat him.

[@philwalsh8975]

@@raphaelkoch1573 plus, it was to draw ratings for future shows (wonder how that worked out for them, eh?)

[@CoolCATs2814]

I agree, it was extremely dumb. A cattle prod? Give me a break.

[@raphaelkoch1573]

@@philwalsh8975 Immeidatly after their ratings were huge, they dropped off because if crazy booking and lots of injuries plus WWF started putting out great content. But people can't blame Goldberg losing for WCW turning to crap.

[@WildBillCox13]

"Crazy shit-" Oh, you mean Shockmaster! Poor Fred. On his hands and knees, groping for the helmet.

[@loooooooongstanding2141]

I never realised how bad this line up was until i thought about it. WOAH. They could have done some type of Horsemen vs nWo Hollywood 6 man tag.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

that would have been good, it would have explained how in storyline world that the Horsemen didn't get involved in the Bischoff vs Flair match

[@Jffeeney3rd]

I remember I was a huge fan at the time, but I was also 17. When they trotted out that shitty tag match, I decided to go party with girls 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@chozahfearless7524]

I noticed years ago watching it. It just seemed like a b ppv rather than wcw’s version of wrestlemania most of the biggest stars were absent

[@loooooooongstanding2141]

@@Jffeeney3rd girls? gross... opps, i mean, yes!

[@williamfrawley1175]

I knew the Disco Inferno (Glen) when I lived in Atlanta. I used to plY basketball with him all the time. He was a really good guy!!

[@jakelang806]

Was he any good at basketball?

[@williamfrawley1175]

@@jakelang806 not bad and he played hard and hustled.

[@roymartin500]

Im old enough to remember DI & Konnan are 100% correct on this one.

[@Ryan-hl4ur]

New talent, like glacier, the wall, alex wright. Generational talents. Contributions live on to this day with jj, david arquette, & judy bagwell.

[@segagenesis7708]

Basically, for those who didn't experience it live, Goldberg was white out for a brief period. However, shortly after he beat Hogan, while he was still popular, he did start to get more boos and they did have to start piping the chant in, because he couldn't talk, he couldn't really put on a good match and he'd already beaten everybody else. That's why a lot of fans from that time (Like myself), say that Page should have beat him at the Havoc (As Hall used to refer to it) with the Diamond Cutter. After that, he'd kicked out of the Diamond Cutter, no sold the chokeslam, kicked out of two Hogan leg drops and barely even sold half the weapons used against him. No regular move was going to do it and Goldberg was eventually starting to get booed. For Goldberg, it was a mix of rightfully suspecting that somebody had it out for him, but at the same time being too inexperienced to understand how grateful he should have been by that point.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

He was a rising start. He should have leverage it, not simply say "ok, let's take 100 steps back now. Maybe they will give me the title later!". Nope, not gonna happen. Bill Goldberg is smart. He's no Steiner.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

Being grateful is not at the top of your list when you're an A star. You keep thinking about your next move. Disclaimer: I am not rich.

[@cyberpunkholiday]

All my friends and I put our lunch money together (as usual) to pay for the PPV and only ONE of the boys was cheering for Goldberg to win. Everyone else there wanted Nash to break the streak! We jumped up and shouted when he did…with Scott’s help of course.

[@LanceVance81]

Bottom line is Kevin Nash was the wrong man to end the streak. Scott Steiner could've used that win a lot more (and become WCW champ way before he actually did)

[@jakelang806]

Nobody really would have wanted to see that though

[@VoodooApex]

Your choices at that time were Nash, Hall, Hogan, Sting, or DDP.. Had to be a big star, fans wouldn’t have accepted a lower level talent even if they were cult fav. I liked the match and finish personally. Goldberg got tasered. 1-2 punch by the outsiders. It’s made Goldberg look super strong in defeat imo. They fucked it off afterwards and that essentially buried the company

[@Thurs1t0]

Wrong

[@JohnnyUtah1982]

I was still a nWo mark, so for me this was awesome. nWo 4 life with Hall involved in the main I was pumped.

[@patrickhoisington5111]

I always thought the way they ended the streak was dumb, because they acted like it ended, but they cheated to end it, so it didn't really end. Nash was a great talent, but he should have never been a booker. If they wanted to end it correctly, they should have had DDP end the streak. No one was over like DDP except Goldberg at that time, not even Nash. Did Disco's voice go up a few octaves over the years..?

[@nick56677]

We all know the Disco Inferno should've been the one that ended the streak clean in the middle of the ring.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

yep, Bischoff made a huge mistake.

[@DedMonie]

It should've been Page at Halloween Havoc that beat Goldberg first. Goldberg's greatest match ever.

[@Dbo_Sports]

I agree with you to an extent... the week before Havoc on Nitro, he went against Sting. Remember that match? The crowd was calling for Sting to win that match and GoldBerg sold everything and there was a screw finish with Hogan. The crowd booed Goldberg. I think that was the night.

[@DedMonie]

Maybe Steiner should have been the one but Hogan and Nash wouldn't allow that to happen. Goldberg and Steiner had one of the best power move matches on nitro until Nash faced it up because he want to go after Booker T on commentary but he interfered in the match instead.

[@murraysaucedo897]

Starrcade 1998 was WCW’s last decent PPV. Their last hurrah if you will. I remember my interest in WCW fizzling out shortly after. I believe last WCW PPV I watched was Slamboree 99. After that I would tune into WWF all the time and wouldn’t even switch channels. But right away the quality drop between Starrcade 98 and Souled Out 99 was very visible. I mean they opened Souled Out 99 with Chris Benoit vs a jobber. The first 3 matches or so seemed like something out of WCW Saturday Night.

[@Smokey1419]

I was still a huge WCW fan by this time, but Nash beating Goldberg was a bad idea, it was like Austin's heel turn, no one wanted to see that.

[@MohamedAli-xu3uw]

Minority wcw fans say hi.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

Austin's heel was so pointless... but really when you look back he WAS getting stale.

[@LanceVance81]

Stone Cold was getting stale though. I remember his reactions being underwhelming after he came back from that neck surgery.

[@itsthe773guero5]

i wanted to see that....loved every second..we gotcha goldturd...nwo 4 life!

[@drdoomprevails1439]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL then they should have given him time off and let him come back with the edge that got him noticed in the first place. Turning him heel didn’t work and then they eventually shifted him into a comedy heel and that killed him. I think if they’d just let him go away for awhile it would have been better for everybody.

[@jeffreymoscardelli8428]

Hey disco and Conan what's do you to think about people impersonating wrestlers in the indy's at vfw's or high school gym's you can find on KZbin

[@donovanbradford8231]

I remember hearing a similar story to Goldberg not being cool with losing in WWE where Triple H beat him in Dec 03 for the belt and Goldberg pitched a fit to where H had to go up and ask him if there was a problem and Goldberg said no. I think Goldberg was just ultra competitive in his younger days because any time he loses now there doesn't seem to be any issue.

[@wpgjets4life]

I think the first signs that Goldberg was developing attitude problems, is when Chris Jericho brought out a Goldberg imposter, that was 5'5/140. Jericho then would boast about how he defeated Goldberg. Backstage, Goldberg was furious that Jericho was mocking him, and went to Bischoff and Hogan to make Jericho stop the angle. Jericho mentioned how over the angle was getting, and that he pitched an idea, for Goldberg to squash him on the WW3 pay per view. Goldberg was yelling at Jericho in a meeting, but Hogan heard Jericho out, and thought he had a point. Goldberg reluctantly agreed to face Jericho on the PPV. Shortly before the PPV was going to happen, Goldberg told WCW management that he was going to book off the PPV dates, since he wanted to go hunting. Unbelievably, WCW granted Goldberg his wish, and Jericho ended up fighting Bobby Duncum Jr. at the PPV. Jericho said that it was a turning point, and realised WCW was never going to push him, and refused to resign a contract, before leaving for WWE in mid 99.

[@bgorder34]

@@wpgjets4life Goldberg should have been better about losing, but HHH beating him in the Elimination Chamber was a terrible idea. That whole crowd was soooo hot that night and it was 98% pro-Goldberg. That whole run for Goldberg in WWE would have been so much better had he gone over at Summerslam. Admittedly Goldberg wasn't the best worker, but you strike while the iron is hot and knowing that he was only doing a 1 year run, they totally F-d up that opportunity.

[@exunderscorejai]

Disco Inferno has two claims to fame; pitching a wrestler called Bill Ding and being married to Miss Piggy

[@DUFFYISBACK]

I must know this, did disco really rub shampoo into scotts hair when they showered together?

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

thanks for adding to the view count.

[@dustin.r.strong]

There is definitely a time limit on the "undefeated" gimmick. I've been a longtime WWE fan but i was keeping up with Nitro at the time and was thrilled to see Nash win that night, the wolfpack was over not to mention they had the coolest theme music. The fingerpoke of doom afterwards was a huge mistake though.

[@JohnnyRebKy]

I was a kid during this match . My dad and I were shocked when Godlberg lost like that. We were so angry that we didn't watch wcw again for a long time. It really wasn't the fact Goldberg lost but HOW he lost . He should have hurt his back in the match or something and been unable to jackknife Nash so Nash takes advantage, Jack knife , and win . Much better than cattle shocker

[@getsnipeddown1885]

😂😂😂🤘🤘🤘tooo sweeet

[@ROCKNINJA777]

They should have palnned out an intense matchup with some story in it and a whole lot of heart in the delivery. In match itself it seemed generic.

[@keysersoze8648]

lol, Oh man, I'll never forget the Yetti, that was THE funniest gimmick in wrestling history, second only to the Shock Master, and that's solely because he fell busting through the wall, and then was finish off by Ole Anderson's ridiculous sounding voice over. Oh man, the good old days.

[@FilmThePoliceFTP]

I was watching this live and I was a huge Nash fan, but I didn’t feel right about this goldberg loss. Just my two cents... it was 172-0

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

thing is, Goldberg's steak DID have to end... but then the problem was he didn't have a gimmick outside of being being undefeated.

[@FilmThePoliceFTP]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL agreed. But didn't need to end then? I guess you could make the argument if not then, when? I don't have an answer to that.. also agreed he had no gimick outside of being undefeated.

[@BoneDoggMusic]

173-0 actually lol

[@ROCKNINJA777]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL he didn't need a gimmick, he was a beast of a fighter that could defeat anybody. The fact that he "lost" in an illegal sort of way, saved hid credibility. He could have continued wrecking people, until someone starts to actually challenge him. Goldberg was very close to being beaten cleanly, so the rematch would have been interesting to watch.

[@joeutofka4215]

i've been waiting for you guys to talk about SHLAK dudes a beast, should do another pod cast about him and ETT

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

then send an email in about him [e-mail]

[@jackiejones3296]

and Rick vs Scott Steiner! Why didn't that happen?!

[@BrianLG100]

Rick had an arm injury.

[@Jffeeney3rd]

They did it at several shows before this. It was always some kind of weird cluster, but, they did it.

[@jackiejones3296]

@@Jffeeney3rd I would have gone with Booker T & Rick Steiner vs Scott Steiner & Stevie Ray (nWo)

[@PhillipCummingsUSA]

@@jackiejones3296 That is a great idea

[@jackiejones3296]

@@PhillipCummingsUSA i wish

[@edwardclement102]

The Flair match was great like all his Starcade matches, Starcade built Flair and was supposed to build stars, instead, Nash beating Goldberg was like Lesnar beating UT at WM it killed a great run.

[@SimianScience]

Steiner shoulda ended the streak

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

it would have made sense but Steiner vs Goldberg couldn't have headlined their biggest card of the year

[@jakelang806]

No he shouldnt have

[@andrediaz392]

Steiner should have legit beat the hell out of goldberg.

[@Tony-fq5bn]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL Goldberg shoulda held the title past the New Year. Goldberg shoulda beat Nash, send people home happy for the New Year, and lost the title maybe in like March to I say DDP or Steiner

[@southpaw933]

“You know like ..ummm ..it’s funny because, you know , people . You know. . “

[@joetroller514]

is this the first time this story has been told? You know, WCW may not have had the greatest product towards the end of their run by they gave the single greatest shoot stories ever.

[@Jffeeney3rd]

That why 83 weeks is so successful. People still love this shit.

[@joetroller514]

@@Jffeeney3rd tell the boys that this is the way to overtake 83 Weeks

[@vincesmith2499]

Bischoff routinely gave huge stars the night off for Starrcade; I honestly don't get it. Can you imagine Vince McMahon leaving any major star off the WrestleMania card other than due to an injury?

[@saeedafyouni619]

I absolutely love this show thanks guys Disco is amazing. *correction to Konan in WW3 ....Scott Hall and Kevin were the last 2 in the 3 ring (Royal Rumble'esque) match in WW3....Nash obviously took it cause he faced Bill at Starrcade 98. And guys remember that Nash only kept the belt for less than a day...and he said this on KFC that "ok Bill I was champ for only 24 hours" Guys they had to put in Goldberg chants to let the "Goldberg sucks" simmer down. It was time for Bill to put someone over. + It was in DC at Cade98 that's North East territory as far as I'm concerned. As far as I know I remember Kevin even saying that had it not been for the Tazer being used to put Goldberg down that meeting before Starrcade would've never ended, Bill would do nothing to put that title down.

[@Jffeeney3rd]

I think he was champ 8 days...not to split hairs or anything lol.

[@billywashere6965]

In hindsight, I can't believe I'm saying this, but Goldberg was right. The booking was all wrong. A lot of people say Nash was over, and yeah he may have been, but he didn't need the rub from ending Goldberg's streak. If WCW was actually about business, the streak ending should have gone towards someone who actually needed the rocket-pack into main event status and Nash was not that guy. Then again, they booked themselves into a corner putting the strap on Goldberg in the first place.

[@Ratmann8436]

What the hell was happening at 1:47?

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

a cough

[@mansion1719]

WCW screwed up by not giving us Sting vs Warrior. The match would have been GARBAGE but man, who wouldn't have marked out for that?!

[@SigmaChicken09]

This keep popping up on my timeline

[@bieberninja1]

you want corny just watch konnan vs one man gang from superbrawl 6, konnan wore a jockstrap mask to the ring and wore a hula skirt for the entire match and for something even more embarassing disco inferno vs jacqueline at halloween havoc 97, not one offensive move from disco dummy

[@kenthegamer]

I wonder if Hogan vs Warrior III was planned at Starcade 98 before Warrior decided to quit WCW

[@Jffeeney3rd]

He didn’t quit. They stopped using him.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

Warrior didn't quit, WCW just didn't want to use him. Personally, i think they should have gone with Warrior vs Sting.

[@Jffeeney3rd]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL or even Warrior/Goldberg eventually, like Vinnie Ru wanted to do.

[@MJ_Weaver]

Funny, I watched wcw every week. I don’t ever remember Goldberg sucks chants, just that Nash says they happened. Literally the lowest drawing WWF champion ever’s word

[@DeegoL9]

Oh but it was true I was a WCW diehard back in the day. Goldberg always winning was getting old and no one in the company was as over as Nash was. I think instead of having Hall go out there to cost him the match it should’ve been Wrath and Bam Bam. But hindsight is 20/20. Man I miss that era

[@rdu239]

Oldberg, and a guy that will blow his quads off the moment he stepped on a banana peel...

[@nikolas_schreck]

When Vince McMahon go out in the ring and blew his LOL

[@sldsnak4]

Do u guys sensor on pod too?

[@Jffeeney3rd]

No, just KZbin.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

No, if you listened to the podcast you know would hear HOURS of extra content that we can't put on here.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

@@Jffeeney3rd Get My Go is uncensored too.

[@AmericanWrathchild]

Wrestlemania 14 was 1998 too. Starcade just couldn't compare.

[@maybachrob9475]

True also starrcade was in December so it was closer to wm15 and even in that case it couldn’t compete

[@AmericanWrathchild]

@@maybachrob9475 You right. Two biggest wrestling shows of that year tho. Austin gets the title vs Nash getting the title. I remember even Nash saying he watched Wrestlemania 14 and knew WCW was fucked. "The titanic has hit the iceberg" I believe his words were.

[@jking3166]

Did disco just name himself in the group at the Beginning with sting hogan booker t? Lol

[@VigilanteWilliamson]

Nash was Mega over at the time. He was on the short list of the guys that could have beaten him. The issue was the finish and the aftermath. Had Nash won clean and had a nice title run after idk if this would have been thought of as the disaster it was.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

exactly. That could have been surprising to some, yet predictable to others, as the nWo guys always win everything.

[@jaylong4705]

That Marriot hotel on LI after shows were so much friggin fun. Swear I was there the night big show broke that dude's face. Dude was asking for it. He got it. Great points about Uniondale becoming the wcw turf (admittedly, only attended wwe shows at the Nassau Coliseum or MSG but I had friends that went to the wcw shows in Uniondale all the time. Sorry for the rant but you guys mentioning that just brought back soany memories of those days. And that bar 🍺🍻😂👍💯💯

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

sadly, marks don't get KO'ed anymore.

[@travissecrist4693]

I was at the event and the crowd went apeshit when Nash beat Goldberg. Goldberg was lame as fuck by then.

[@tayflyfree497]

Yeah it was so f'ing boring at the point

[@garrymclaughlan6433]

The fact that this lead to the finger poke of doom made it sink lower again.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

that issues wasn't that, people forget that ratings were still huge for months after the FPOD, the problem was that Hogan insisted on turning babyface again even though he knew well in advance what the plans were for the nWo reunion angle. Hogan ruined it.

[@garrymclaughlan6433]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL I appreciate the reply dude, keep up the good work on the channel. Do you think Goldberg and the ego or Nash booking was the issue here ?

[@jaredbrady5566]

The turn on Goldberg was well orchestrated. It really showed in September where they had him randomly go over Sting on a Nitro. No WCW fan wants that. Then having him beat DDP at Halloween Havoc in October. Everyone wanted Page to win.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

Plus, Goldberg missed two PPVs, Fall Brawl and WW3 98... very strange.

[@chanced1313]

Nash to this day says he didn't take over booking until February of 99. How strange it is and Eric can't ever remember

[@billblaski9523]

Lol yes he is very insistent every time time this question is brought up

[@johnperez7253]

Disco shined on this ! He brought a lot of truth and insight to this Goldberg burial nonsense

[@JoesVinylShow1980]

I would have had Barry Horowitz beat Goldberg. The most popular fantasy PPVs I wrote was titled "Bad Night for Goldberg"; Goldberg was brutally attacked by the nWo at the beginning of the show and would up losing to several jobbers - cleanly- over and over again.

[@joetroller514]

look at these guys, this is how all wrestlers should look.

[@MrJjburgess11]

It's sad how 75% of wrestlers these days don't look intimidating or badasses anymore.

[@joetroller514]

@A Lakonophile they are a variety. Are you so dumb you think they lookalike?!

[@joetroller514]

@A Lakonophile you didn't make sense, your first comment was dumb

[@NICH0LASW0LFF]

As a kid my mom bought me a shirt at Walmart that said Goldberg 6:32 Twice Da Man

[@mcmaniac1000]

Revisionist history. Goldberg was the hottest shit they had in 98. He was in movies almost immediately, not that I care but when wrestlers crossed over into the mainstream back then it was a big deal. NWO was getting stale and should have dismantled shortly after Starrcade 97 but we all know how that went. I trust Heenans take over DI.

[@tylangibbs3381]

Facts!

[@jimodirakallumkal5351]

Man disco loves to hear himself talk n tell his version of stories. Why cant he let Konnan talk more. I have to believe he has more to provide as he seems to have been tighter w these subjects.

[@CountryboyRew]

I miss those "cruiserweight" matches and the lucha libre some of my personal favorite wrestling ever

[@BrianLG100]

With Disco mentioning all those names including himself, that could have been the greatest starcade of all time had they was also included, Norman vs Prince and Jerry/Finley vs Brian/Norton should have been on a pre show if they was gonna throw away them. Heard is was supposed to be Scott Hall vs Bam bam for some reason it never happened and Luger vs Steiner, they decided to go with The story of Lex being suspicious of turning story. Warrior was already gone by the it s point. Sting was getting ready for a return coming at the beginning of 99. Raven did the story about getting help with Kanyon by his side, Piper could have made a cameo, same with Hogan, and Macho(before showing up the next night). Bret, injured but still showed up) Booker T could have done something instead of having him just on the sideline watching. Same with Disco.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

not booking Hogan vs Hart though? nuts.

[@BrianLG100]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL I would if not for the injury and they played their cards right with Him.

[@Jffeeney3rd]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL should’ve built that up the entire year.

[@MrFoxxx47]

Lol Goldberg wouldn't say anything to Nash's face.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

Triple H called him out to his face once too

[@jesse2034]

@Bryan Mack When and where exactly did he reverse course?

[@roybains7288]

What does he mean when he said he thought Goldberg thought he "booked" the match? What does booking the match mean and if it means arranging the outcome, isn't that the writers? What would nash have to do with the booking part?

[@benzion8885]

I missed out on the Monday night war I live in the UK we got Raw on a Friday night on sky sports I don't think wcw was on UK TV it definitely was not on sky sports because of mcmahon's contract sky was only allowed to show wwe

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

oh, Nitro was shown over here on friday nights too.

[@TheJackhammer316]

TNT used to kick in after cartoon network at 7pm in the UK years ago. Friday nights we got Nitro and Saturday was Thunder. A few years later Nitro moved to bravo. No Thunder at that point. Channel 5 in the uk used to play worldwide on a Friday evening but it was always behind & had old school batman style "bang" & "biff" every time someone got hit with a chair. So we had WCW in the UK but you're correct Sky sports was exclusively WWE. Oh and no WCW PPV's for the UK either, unless again you had old school sky and could watch them on the dutch channels which were also months behind. 🙂

[@benzion8885]

@@TheJackhammer316 I never knew that wcw was on Bravo and cartoon network

[@walterclark3198]

Kevin Sullivan was brilliant with Luna vachon and helped her develop that Luna character. He deserved better than the dungeon of doom squad he got.

[@TheJohno95]

Goldberg was going to implode sooner or later. He didn't work his way into the business....He just got lucky that he had the right look and and was at the right place at the right time. People were getting tired of his big "streak" where he wasn't fighting the people that would have been a challenge and couldn't handle the real wrestlers he did wrestle. He was kind of like the Ultimate Warrior with less talent. Honestly, he didn't get beat clean at Starcade, so if he hadn't broke his damned hand, he would have been right back into the fray. Later on when they tried to turn him heel...THAT probably hurt his career. But the Starcade thing wasn't that bad. Just gave him an excuse to have good heat with the NWO. Goldberg just started believing the hype. Not saying he's not a talented guy....He got better as he went along. But....You can tell he's just not into it. He's more into acting and that sort of thing. And overall....Starcade 98 wasn't a bad show! At least, I didn't think it was. There were definitely worse pay-per-views. The lower and mid-card were both awesome at that time and kind of made up for the weaker main events. The wrestling fans could enjoy the action for the first 2/3's. And the spectacle folks that just wanted water cooler talk could enjoy the end. The worst was yet to come...

[@tarijohn1924]

Who did Goldberg not beat bro?

[@TheJohno95]

@@tarijohn1924 From what I hear, William Regal wrapped him up like a pretzel. Brah.

[@haydenhodges34]

Great podcast.

[@CamberRockerCamber]

The way Goldberg lost was the issue. A freaken taser. After this, after Goldberg's streak was over, it was full time WWF.

[@jakelang806]

should have been full-time wwf anyway i look back at old Nitros and scratch my head as to how they ever won in the ratings for so long but thats my opinion. What other way for him to lose was there? it wouldn't have been believable for nash to go over cleanly.

[@JamesHarris-nq8uu]

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