Keir Starmer: A Dishonest Man

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[@TheWiseJames]

I think you mis understood starmer that public ownership can be done without nationalization by using public owned and funded companies in the private sector. Like creating GB energy and joining the energy sector. Nationalization usually refers to buying out an entire sector and taking entire control of that sector which of course would cost trillions. Creating GB energy and joining the energy sector would only cost a billion not trillions. So you do not need nationalization for public ownership. Not defending starmer but i would not nationalize water, electric, gas, broadband. No It is better to join the market than try and take over it.

[@pablohanc]

@@TheWiseJames GB energy will be privatised when the caretaker starmer and his version of the labour party are beaten the resergent tories once theyve regrouped (sometime in the next decade ish). Starmer doesn't need the left wing vote to get elected, but him and his party will need the left wing vote to return before the election after.

[@TheWiseJames]

@@pablohanc I do not like starmer i just see him as lesser of the 2 evils when compared to the tory party. I was just making the point of how u can have public owned companies without nationalization. But you are correct the Tories will probs just sell it if they get back in.

[@pablohanc]

@@TheWiseJames when they get back in, not if. And if they dont, and if labour hasn't radically changed the lot of the working class by then, expect the working class to look elsewhere.........

[@jonothonlaycock5456]

Owen is this enough for you to quit Labour?

[@WhoOneIs]

The interesting thing is that Norway has higher tax revenue as a percentage of GDP than the UK and it is sitting on a trillion dollar sovereign wealth from its North Sea oil ($250, 000 per Norwegian citizen). The UK, under Thatcher, was using its North Sea oil revenue to lower taxes on the wealthy before privatising. An excellent example of the Tories trashing the wealth that belongs to us all, including future generations, to line the pockets of the rich.

[@baronburch6702]

That's why the smart English all got or are getting out of this country. Including me. This basket case will never get better until two party rule is made impossible by changing the electoral system - and the english had the chance and chose not to.

[@julielevinge266]

UK could have invested North Sea Oil??

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

@@julielevinge266 😠 Why the question and several question marks? What the Norwegians did with their oil revenue is not unique. We should have done the same, by creating a state bank that would support us as needed. But no - most of our oil assets were given to a few shareholders. Who are now extremely wealthy. But are not to be taxed by this or the next copycat government. Ditto the energy / utility companies with billions in profits but still insisting on increasing our heating bills. Does that answer your question?

[@angussoutter7824]

And used Scottish assets to fund their own friends

[@miatrue98]

@@sirmeowthelibrarycat Your comment reminds me of the movie "The Bank of Dave" which is actually based on true events. I never thought that such bank could be created, it gives me hope.

[@audreymcgready4329]

Owen i'm 61 and my Dad would be 100. He voted Labour all his life. He was a crane driver from Govan Glasgow and worked in many jobs including clyde side ship building. Proper working man. A grafter. . But he would be turning in his grave at this so called "Labour party".

[@therealrobertbirchall]

I'm sure your dad would be voting SNP now

[@nigeltrigger4499]

Compared with what - the Tories? It is SO boring to bash Labour in a passive way like you have done. We are in this mess due to the Tories - do you really not get that?

[@miatrue98]

I used to be red, Starmer's stupid behavior now singlehandedly guaranteed that I am going Yellow next time... SHAME ON STARMER, I THOUGHT HE WAS A DECENT ONE... WATCH OUT FOR THE TURNCOATS!!!

[@stephenroche5107]

Starmeris at the beck and call pandering to the Daily mail , the sun and the telegraph and the rest of the mainstream rightwing media..

[@californiadreamin8423]

Audrey you don’t know what your Dad would be doing today. Tory policy killed shipbuilding in the U.K. The little building that goes on for the Navy uses about 60% of the steel from the EU, even though Johnson claimed we had gained our Sovereignty. The steel industry is nearly dead and our manufacturing base is pitiful……you can blame that mainly on the grocers daughter from Grantham and her political prodigy. Do you vote to leave or remain in the Referendum ?

[@mikebreen9980]

It's getting harder to find any reason to vote Labour

[@jamescooke6032]

Who is a viable alternative?

[@moomin7461]

@@jamescooke6032 Larry the cat?

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

@@jamescooke6032 😠 The least worst outcome would be a hung parliament. Then Sir Knight of Unicorn 💩 will have to look for support from the Liberal Democrats and / or the SNP to stay in office. That would mean forcing him to replace FPTP with a form of Proportional Representation in the first year of government. If he refuses to agree, then he will ensure the return of an ERG / Tory dictatorship when his government falls. Then the Labour Party will be no more. What an appalling prospect for the country!

[@jamescooke6032]

@@sirmeowthelibrarycat that seems unlikely doesn't it

[@bwright227]

@@jamescooke6032 The Conservatives

[@hilaryporter7841]

It will never again be captured by "narrow interests" Keir Starmer said. That is exactly what has happened now to the Labour party. Narrow interests are corporate interests. The political system has been captured by a small percentage of the population who's only interests involve the dividends they receive on their shareholdings. Starmer wants to be Blair 2, with all the juicy benefits.

[@oneoflokis]

💯 He hasn't even got the sense or the "stature" of Blair, though.

[@MrRoastedSnow]

Blair was much more savvy and kept the Left on board; the Broad Church approach. Starmer will never be Blair

[@miatrue98]

Yes perfectly said 👍 He is now just a demagogue wrapped in his own demagogy... WHAT HAPPENED TO THE: LABOUR IS A BROAD CHURCH?! FOR STARMER IT CLEARLY IS NOT! AS FOR CORBYN HATS OFF TO THE LEGEND, HIS LEADERSHIP SPEAKS FOR ITSELF LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO JOINED LABOUR UNDER CORBYN'S LEADERSHIP AND SHOW ME WHO ELSE SO FAR IN BRITISH HISTORY HAS ACHIEVED SUCH AN EXCELLENT AND COLOSSAL INCREASE IN ANY PARTY MEMBERSHIP!

[@miatrue98]

It would be interesting if Corbyn founds his own Socialism leaning party what really would happen to the "Labour Party" whose leader PUNISHES LABOUR MP'S JOINING THE PICKET LINES OF THE BRITISH LABORERES - THE BRITISH WORKERS WHOSE FRUITS OF LABOUR GIVES LIFE TO THIS COUNTRY TO EXIST!

[@miatrue98]

@@MrRoastedSnow yes totally and very wisely, so.

[@rosalynadams3758]

Whether or not Keir Stamer set out to deliberately deceive those who voted for him in the leadership campaign is something we'll never know for certain but I think this country is really run by big business and the rich elite and my belief that we really have a democracy in this country has been well and truly shattered.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Wasn’t it shattered enough in 2019 ??? You sure are a glutton for punishment.

[@lobintool]

Well done for working that out. A bit late to the party but more than welcome, nevertheless! Climb on board and join the club. You have made a giant step but this stuff is only the beginning and not going to be easy. So buckle up this is going to be a rocky ride!

[@petermills542]

@@lobintool Blimey! Talk about laying it on thick !!

[@ernstfritsch678]

Well, as long as you have FPTP you can't really call yourself a democracy anyway.

[@DarrenJones042]

Realy? You think he's repeatedly done this by mistake and then lied about it anyway? He knew

[@vooveks]

I’m totally weighing up going to live in another, better country than this, I really am.

[@ruthvanstraten7126]

I hope you're under 30 or very rich because doors close very fast otherwise. And you know, Brexit

[@bereal6590]

Same

[@bereal6590]

Same

[@editing5157]

Why not help us in Scotland leave the union then? That will also help England leave the union and pull the finger out.

[@adriancollins1879]

If you won't stop and fight for a better Britain then I think that you ought to leave.

[@e.l.fmusicworkshops8435]

This was the last straw! I have now left the party with a heavy heart. 😢

[@Glassframe]

Same buddy!

[@paulgluten4156]

Me too - left last year after treatment of Sam Tarry

[@smcjbell]

Me too, with a heavy heart indeed. I can’t take this dangerous gaslighting anymore. The Guardian and BBC all doing their bit, too. Sickening

[@angelapinheiro4585]

Me too, I wish I could leave all over again though

[@californiadreamin8423]

Bye losers.

[@Gemma-yd2xm]

Jeremy Corbyn presented a fully costed manifesto in 2019 More competent than this bunch of nutcases we’ve got to deal with now

[@spillage9392]

No he didn't. There was no method of funding the free WiFi rollout for a start.

[@nobodycares743]

And then he lost and gave us the worst Conservative party the UK has ever known. So he may as well have not bothered

[@matthewfoley3929]

Labour have fully costed all promises. Corbyn didn't.

[@obibraxton2232]

@@spillage9392 yes there was … he was gonna tax the rich simple 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@obibraxton2232]

@@nobodycares743boo I and many welcome him back I’d deffo vote for him if he went independent.

[@timetravellingtoad]

It's scary how he's changed our language so that any empathy for the plight of the Palestinian people is now automatically associated with antisemitism.

[@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr]

He is a racist

[@billyb6043]

Starmer hasn't done this, although his accquiesence is tantamount to support.

[@briandelaney9710]

With some , It can veer in that direction

[@oneoflokis]

💯👍

[@audreymcgready4329]

Starmer is closer to big business than he is to the hard fought for Unions.

[@dzonbrodi514]

He is such a copper

[@robertnicolae1882]

At least he’s not pro Russian

[@littlestone1541]

He's controlled opposition. Turning Labour into the other side of the Tory coin.

[@littlestone1541]

@@robertnicolae1882 ?

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

YOU WILL VOTE FOR STARMER! All he has to do is tell you some fluff to make you vote for him. The voter is a brainless, spineless sheep-people.

[@danielcraig4974]

Keir Starmer acts like Murdoch has contacted him and told him to tow the line if he wants to get his media's support.

[@bobrayner1093]

Daniel Craigie, Iwould add Peter Mandelson and the Israelli Embassy to that list

[@pottsy9143]

You can bet Murdoch is watching very close

[@Treblig1969]

Did you read any newspapers during Beergate?

[@biscuit4259]

Hope for a very British coup!

[@Gwalion]

I had decided to support Labour under "Back" Starmer, despite his mendacity, as a means of removing this disastrous Tory regime, but his treatment of Jeremy Corbynn was a step too far and that support has now gone, I will accept his invitation and exit through his "open door" I hope JC stands as an independent and, wipes the floor with the others.

[@julielevinge266]

I’ve excepted his offer to leave too!

[@bwright227]

👋

[@neilbromwich1669]

That’s what he wants.. stay and help rid the party of this mess

[@alfsmith4936]

I wanted Raynor but everyone laughed at me, said she had a speech impediment, or the wrong background and Starmer could 'own' Johnson in PMQ's, like that was all that mattered and anybody with a factchecker couldn't.

[@EvalutionMedia]

I would 💯 vote for Corbyn if he stood as an independent!

[@PetaloudesTouYialou]

He's gone to the dark side because that's what "sensible", "grown-up" people do. In other words, he finally realised what class he belongs to, and it's not the working class! Read Adults in the Room" by Varoufakis for more on this ultra-patronising, gaslighting narrative, that wanting redistribution is somehow immature or idealistic. It is not. Our very survival depends on redistributing wealth and changing conditions for those at the bottom.

[@bereal6590]

Very well said. I'm sick of being patronised that having values and integrity are some how childishly ideologic

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

@@bereal6590 YOU WILL VOTE FOR STARMER! When the time comes, All he has to do is tell you some fluff to make you vote for him. The voter is a brainless, spineless sheep-people.

[@arcane_madness]

Starmer is a Tory dressed in red!

[@leighvaughton2740]

He's looking rather confident isn't he. All that lovely corporate money will be flowing in from now. He doesn't need members anymore.

[@stevemitchell1454]

The Unions will refuse to give Labour money. The loss of membership fees amounts o around £4 million . He may get funding from the Israeli apartheid state. I suspect that is already happening.

[@patrik-vw4ek]

​@@stevemitchell1454without doubt!

[@DanePavitt]

Remember that huge surge of popularity that Labour had with the leader who promised sincere positive change in social justice, tax reform & workers rights? Down with that sort of thing! - Kier Starmer, probably

[@californiadreamin8423]

That was 1945 !!! It certainly wasn’t 2019 !! Here’s a maths question for you, I just know you want to show your skill…..what’s the average of 79 and 81 ? You have 24 hours to figure it out , I hope that’s long enough for you.

[@bwright227]

Labour's election victory in 2017 was staggering.

[@davidbates3057]

@@californiadreamin8423 It was actually 2017. But I understand why right wingers want to scrub that bit out of history in favour of the completely normal 2019 election that was in no way tainted and had absolutely nothing to do with the most disastrous referendum in the history of our country. Nuh-uh, no way.

[@californiadreamin8423]

@@davidbates3057 Well when you appoint a Brexiteer as leader , a Shill, a snake in the grass , who failed to energise the Labour Party to campaign for its own policy, the most important vote for 50 years, namely the Referendum, the 2017 business is window dressing. We’re living the consequences of not only Tory policy but Corbyn collusion and deceit. Wake up to your failure to see what is before your very eyes.

[@jujutrini8412]

@@californiadreamin8423 I think he was talking about the election in 2017. I guess you don’t remember that one. It was when Labour received its highest share of the vote in England since 1997 (and hugely increased their share of the vote overall) and made gains for the first time since 2001. There was a 10% swing.

[@chriswing7466]

I don't think democracy is sacred at all in this country. The ease with which government and print media are allowed to sway the populace away from making informed choices is a terrible abuse of democracy. Democracy is not protected at all and therefore not even slightly sacred, I feel.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

It would nice to be a democracy.

[@badgerellfinmutti]

Democracy is dead.

[@leipherd8118]

"A party captured by narrow interests" sounds exactly what we have now the Centrists have succeeded in their coup

[@geoffpoole483]

General elections are won and lost on thecentre ground. The likes of Owen Jones are gifts to the Tories.

[@leipherd8118]

@@geoffpoole483 historically, yes. But in an age of Trump and Brexit, "business as usual/nothing to see here" politics is not the winner it once was. The Right sadly realised that well before the left and has galvanized the discontent with the past 40 years plus of "consensus" politics

[@DarrenJones042]

Haven't you noticed? This is Starmer's modus operandi, he accuses others of exactly what HE is guilty of....

[@finlayfraser9952]

Can anyone be more Establishment than a former Director of Public Prosecutions?

[@katypreen9588]

I really apreciate you holding Labour to account. As you say, it's literally your job. When the leader of the opposition is telling their core voters they know where the door is, they're failing to represent those they're supposed to. If Labour becomes so close to the Conservatives that the two are indistinguishable in policy and rhetoric, the "you're supporting the Tories" jibes you get are utterly meaningless. If the opposition is no longer providing a real alternative, this must be raised in the public sphere.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Excuse me for pointing out that Owen pushed for Corbyn to lead the Labour Party ?

[@MBRSims]

Thank you, Owen, for being principled and not being afraid to criticise Labour just as much as the Tories when needed. A true democracy requires that all politicians, no matter what stripe be held to account. I fear that Labour's current lead and their probable win in the next GE have less to do with confidence in Starmer and more to do with exasperation towards the Tories. I certainly feel that way. The whole political system is broken and is in desperate need of reform and restructure.

[@littlestone1541]

Well said comrade! I personally can't stand all the comments from folk getting mad at him for not just shutting up and falling in line behind Starmer just because he's running with Labour and because apparently you're somehow "helping the tories" by criticising him and pointing out his diceitfulness and dishonesty towards the voters and his own party. He should be criticised and held accountable. So should all those on the Labour right who conspired together to smear Jerremy Corbyn and ruin his and by extention their own party's chances at winning the election. They should face consequences.

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

YOU WILL VOTE FOR STARMER! When the time comes, All he has to do is tell you some fluff to make you vote for him. The voter is a brainless, spineless sheep-people.

[@tomtheeagle1]

i have a local MP who is very much on the left so I will vote for her. If I was in Wes Sreeting's, Lisa Nandy's or Starmer's constituency I would vote Green and if I lived in Islington North I would be manning the barricades!

[@etgood6154]

How right you are to identify the two destroyers of the labour party.

[@alfsmith4936]

Nandy's the most grating person I've ever seen. She's like nails on a chalkboard

[@g4joe]

@@alfsmith4936 A pie eater.

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

Stop voting for lesser evil. Stop voting Labour as long as Starmer is the leader.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter Vote reform, send the buggers back and put the unemployed/disabled to work if they want there benefits. Only joking.. Vote anybody but Labour and get Conservative.

[@MALDUN1]

I was a safe Labour vote but not while Starmer is leader, That goes for many of my colleagues

[@californiadreamin8423]

Losers.

[@bwright227]

As a Tory, that's music to my ears!

[@jocosson8892]

@@bwright227 As a Tory human suffering is music to your ears. TakeBackLabour KeirStarmerOut

[@snipelite94]

Like the french, I was going to vote with a nose peg, for Nasty Labour But not only is starmer NOT a Labour leader He'd trip up in front of an open goal The man's a liability

[@dwayne_dibley]

@@bwright227what kind of pedo are you then?

[@adultmoshifan87]

I’ve been getting mixed messages telling us to either “stay with Labour despite Starmer” or “leave now! Starmer’s evil”! Whatever your stance, I have a feeling Labour’s days are numbered, Starmer has signed the party’s death warrant! Hopefully this’ll be a wake up call for those who are pro-Rejoin, can run for mayor/MP/etc but have been on the fence! Positive change is WAY overdue! Voting for “the lesser of two evils” for GENERATIONS is why we’re in the mess we are in now!

[@helenswan705]

I know. it's tragic but maybe this centrism (too nice a word) is an inevitable evolution of the search for the few voters who still vote. For me right now, just get the Tories OUT. It may only be for 4 years but surely, we must. Meanwhile we have no socialists and it may take years for the left to reclaim something. it's money money money, all the way, and 'Labour' are no exception.

[@vietashroffoliver2521]

Spot on

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

YOU WILL VOTE FOR STARMER! When the time comes, All he has to do is tell you some fluff to make you vote for him. The voter is a brainless, spineless sheep-people.

[@annlove2098]

Never again while you are in charge Keir Starmer.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Bye.

[@nazirvania9365]

Owen, Thank you for calling Starmer out - you are a breath of fresh air. I have total respect for Jeremy Corbin and miss his input in front line politics. Starmer is just a tory dressed in labour clothes.

[@ryanm7097]

Owen, you have no idea how eagerly I was anticipating your response! And it did not disappoint!

[@mixodorians12]

Are they going to get rid of the bedroom tax, the two Child limit child support thing, PIP, sanctions, universal credit? If not, then for 10 million people there may as well be no change at all.

[@Treblig1969]

Universal credit will be scrapped.

[@deanjames2476]

Ulez will be increased to every city in the country

[@Treblig1969]

@@deanjames2476 It’s the 21st century. We don’t need to be powering things by burning dinosaur sludge.

[@deanjames2476]

@Gilbert Roper we also don't need kids down mines just so the west can have electric cars

[@bowchickabowwowthatswhatmy3219]

it’s all “if you don’t like Labour then leave!” until it’s election time, then all of a sudden it’s “ohhh we have to stick together why are you being so divisive”

[@ruthvanstraten7126]

😂

[@amylou7991]

Can't agree with you enough!

[@dwayne_dibley]

It is a bit Kim jong stammer

[@michaelcolbourn6719]

Ok, I guess I'll vote Green then 🤷‍♂️

[@thefebruaryman]

Yes yes yes. Not just for the environment stuff but they have some great policies

[@vapeymcvape5000]

Same. Labour will see that and know they lost your vote.

[@ryanfraser167]

And waste your vote 🤡🤡🤡

[@treadstone1970]

@@ryanfraser167 back to the circus Tory boy. 🤡

[@jo044o]

@@ryanfraser167 Not if enough of us do it !!! I just can not continue voting labour even to stop the tories which has always been my main objective as the tories historically have always made the poor poorer and the rich richer making my life considerably harder under a conservative government . Corbyn was the first politician for years I could believe

[@headgirlblues]

To paraphrase "He knows what he's doing and why he's doing it". Thing is, so do we, and it stinks.

[@JK-zx3go]

They don't want the working classes or socialists in the Labour party, they just want your vote. And by your vote I mean the Tory vote. Labour to New Labour to the "New Tory" party.

[@peterkirby2771]

Sounds like Peter Mandelson writes Starmers speeches now

[@bobrayner1093]

Peter kirby, couldnt agree more.

[@deanjames2476]

He does that's how out of touch starmer is he's trusts a crook

[@blandoatmeal1273]

With how many promises he's made and not just given up on but is now outright lying that he ever made those promises, I'm left with one question. Who's pocket is he in?

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

YOU WILL VOTE FOR STARMER! When the time comes, All he has to do is tell you some fluff to make you vote for him. The voter is a brainless, spineless sheep-people.

[@Phantarch]

On their honesty and integrity, Starmer and Sunak are more interchangeable than Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. The fact that they have tried to co-opt (and as such bastardise) those terms as watchwords for their respective parties represents an almost Orwellian inversion of truth.

[@Jay_No]

Starmer is the gift that keeps on giving, for the Tories that is.

[@billybob-jp7eh]

Thats his job

[@californiadreamin8423]

Nonsense ….that “honour “ goes to Corbyn.

[@julielevinge266]

Of course he is!! The man with so much charisma that automatic doors ignore him!!!

[@M2Mil7er]

At least sixty J-ish Labour members have been expelled under new leadership. Compare that to actual breaches of the Equalities Act found in the EHRC enquiry: the enormous figure of three, out of a then membership of nearly 700,000 not including 250k from affiliated unions).

[@gregsmith7821]

DEMOCRACY! Only works effectively if the electorate is educated, has understanding of the important issues, shares a common culture and a genuine interest in the long term future success. The UK is a case book study of a failed democracy, because it's electorate scores so poorly, in all the key areas.

[@TTBoy1]

Couple of clues 🤔 Sir ? Net wealth 12 million ? = Tory

[@jaywalker3087]

Never Trust A Tory! That's what my dad taught me back in the early '60's. I don't trust any Tories; and that includes Starmer!!

[@jonathananderson3897]

Basically what he has done is told us all that he is more interested in furthering his own career than he is in furthering the recovery of the country.

[@margaretfarrell5137]

Thanks Owen for showing Starmer's two faces; one showing his support for Corbyn to get elected; the other that stabs him in the back and tells his supporters to get stuffed.

[@littlestone1541]

He's a snake.

[@stonelane1827]

He Reminds me of Tony "the War Criminal" Blair.

[@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr]

He's worse. Blair had contempt for the left wing of the Party, but his actions against were within the rules

[@ruthvanstraten7126]

I didn't think I could be more disgusted than the day I quit Labour the morning after the Labour leaks came out. And yet here I am again ☠️

[@kebro85]

And this is why I hate FPTP. In my constituency if I don't hold my nose and vote for Starmer's Labour I will get a Tory.

[@billpugh58]

@@kebro85 better than a red Labour MP allegedly………….

[@biffa1234100]

@@kebro85 id rather have BO JO

[@dwayne_dibley]

@@kebro85you’ll get a Tory if you vote labour.

[@stephaniecharlton3319]

Owen, my heart is breaking over Starmer's actions. The injustice is evident, so why is he getting away with it? How JC stays so strong I will never know. I'm so sad. Starmer has zero integrity. Broken every single pledge.

[@WandG_Fan]

Keir Starmer's Labour is starting to become more like an echo of the Tory Party.

[@jocosson8892]

a Tory fart.

[@EmeraldLavigne]

Just like the Democratic party in America...

[@treadstone1970]

Become? They already are since the infiltrating Neoliberal faction took control of the party.

[@IMBlakeley]

Starting? It's a full on tory lite/clone.

[@2just-Say]

This snake 🐍 will say and do anything as long as he gets in power.

[@deanjames2476]

Apart from tell you what a woman is he dosent know

[@calexico66]

The man deserves an Oscar for best backstabbing scene of a fellow party leader

[@Hindsighht]

Vote Green!

[@treadstone1970]

@Ah Stuttgart more sane than anything by the Tories and Neoliberal Blue New Labour.

[@nickfletcher4132]

"Those people deserve representation"...a real reason for a party based on truth.

[@kassachap]

I really wanted to go to university, but I didn't want to be saddled with all that debt!

[@M2TehMarlow]

It’s not debt, it doesn’t function like normal debt. It doesn’t affect your credit score, and it’s taken out of your wage packet like tax is because it is just an additional tax!

[@EnglishroG]

I've made myself really unpopular for saying this, but in his approach to truth and morality, Starmer resembles Boris Johnson more than anyone wants to admit.

[@billyb6043]

nonsense. You may disagree with his stance on certain things but he is nowhere near johnson in terms of shameless opportunism and self-interested mendacity

[@sarat1325]

Agree 💯! Strange how Centrists decry lying from the Tories but are “meh” about Labour lies. I have kicked down the door and run out into the light. Starmer is a rancid, lying Thatcherite Tory. Repulsive!🤬

[@BedboundME]

I think he’s worse than Boris Johnson

[@BedboundME]

@@David-kk5fx crazy comment.

[@EnglishroG]

@@David-kk5fx Yes, when it comes to telling lies, really.

[@pancakingon]

If he doesn't tolerate bigotry in the Labour party, then why is Rosie Duffield still in the party?

[@jackgreene5663]

As a lifelong Labour voter, what am I to do now? I despair.

[@doubledigital_]

its ok go vote tory see how that works out for ya

[@msms7434]

@@doubledigital_ that's not the only alternative

[@dwayne_dibley]

@@user-bc2zu5dw5dso you’d rather have piles than diarrhoea

[@Treblig1969]

lifelong?- so you voted for Blair?

[@jackgreene5663]

@@Treblig1969 Dear boy I voted for Atlee!

[@---Tre---]

Abolish Billionaires!!

[@froufou100]

sad state of labour affairs - thank you for sharing this crucial research Owen

[@johnmccann5104]

The whole political world is in a sad state and we are paying the price unfortunately 😉🇬🇧

[@froufou100]

@@johnmccann5104 yes you are right - it’s just a business like any other now, very depressing

[@johnmccann5104]

@@froufou100 Hi ...it certainly is depressing and it's our money and future they are squandering like kids in a sweetshop.....We really need a true leader with a spine, who puts British people and the countries interest first.

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

the labour party is indeed inrecognisable from 2019 I pray you Brits can ensure it gets even more radical after you have ousted starmer!

[@DrowzyDruid]

Now I feel abandoned from any political leader (no left rep), I feel entirely crushed by the state of the world and how it and it's beings are being killed and tortured in more ways than ever, and I feel abandoned as a man with extremely poor mental health and daily suicidal tendencies - I don't have any hope anymore, I just know there's no point in dying or living. I feel more alone than ever before. I didn't think that possible from the places I've spiraled to.

[@dinah3525]

So sorry to hear your distress. Wish there was some way I/ we could help you feel better. Sending best wishes.

[@patriciamcl54]

Talk to people, James. Talk to the Samaritans - they helped me enormously. Don't be alone with your totally understandable fear and hopelessness. Get involved with left activism or climate activism - bodies always wanted and it might make you feel better about yourself, that you've made a difference. I wish there was something else I could do or say for you. Will you accept a virtual hug, and best wishes.

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

@@dinah3525 😢 Your compassion towards James is an example of humane concern. Much needed in these times of despair. Thank you.

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

@@patriciamcl54 😢 Compassion and humanity are so needed in these times of despair. Your advice to James is caring and supportive. Thank you.

[@peacelilly75]

How does Jeremy even take him seriously

[@bwright227]

Maybe because he leads the party

[@helenswan705]

I am sure he does not. But he is always polite, quite a talent in that world.

[@timelwell7002]

The UK is in desperate need of the following: *1) Proportional Representation.* Only with PR will any progressive party be able to gain traction. The current FPTP electoral system is not fit for purpose. *2) An overhaul of the control and ownership of the UK's press and media.* 3 very powerful multi-billionaires own and control most of the UK's press and media. They have far too much influence and are only concerned with the further enrichment of the super-rich. This has to change in order to protect our democracy. It doesn't matter how much those of us on the left want to see a move away from this destructive extreme neoliberal capitalism, and back to a mixed economy (like Nordic countries) - unless both the above factors are in place, the neoliberal status quo will prevail, making all of us the poorer. I greatly fear that Starmer will deliver neither of these, but rather will continue to maintain the status quo much as Blair continued the Thatcherite neoliberal agenda, albeit in milder and 'more acceptable' form.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Its all posturing by Starmer not wanting to be on the wrong side of the press. I do worry though whether or not they will put real social liberal policies in place

[@jgmediting7770]

They won’t.

[@gailearai]

Lock him up. Starmer is the most dangerous person in UK politics

[@thegeneral123]

A party of patriotism. Oh, that's concerning.

[@garychown4885]

I've voted Labour all of my life, Starmer has lost my vote.

[@somecontrol268]

Thankfully we don’t vote for Starmer. We vote for a party. Stay with Labour, that’s how change happens.

[@frankpaterson9786]

Starmer is a Tory only interested in his own position/wealth. But for our stupid FPTP system I would never vote labour again while he's leader.

[@t63700]

I love this attitude by Starmer, he’s already believing media reports that are prematurely calling him the next PM.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Yes that’s just what Corbyn believed in 2019 when the Tories had a minority government ? Wasn’t too clever was he .

[@JG-nx3jg]

He will be, it is all being manufactured for him. Now that the status quo is guaranteed whether it red or blue, the establishment are pushing for a ceremonial changing of the guard, keeping up the illusion of choice and democracy in the UK. It's all a pantomime.

[@alfsmith4936]

Maybe he will be but he won't be re-elected, after 4 years of getting the blame in the same media outlets, for everything the Cons have done and he doesn't stop.

[@parallaxview6770]

Owen theyre going to bounce you from the Guardian soon . They cant handle dissent . Plan accordingly

[@mbrierley144brierley3]

Great summing up Owen.

[@larry2281]

Damn this guy just got elected. The UK is done for.

[@EmeraldLavigne]

I beg for all my comrades in Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and Northern Ireland to move towards independence and get out from under the thumb of the English.

[@stonehengemaca]

I don't think the rich should be paying more tax. They should be forced to actually pay their tax. Close tax avoidance loopholes.

[@madrockon7357]

Keir's inconsistencies are so extreme. He's so chaotic, and it seems as though he would say anything at the time it suits him. (Or at least it very much appears this way.) Very unfortunately we are now in a position where it's either elect *this* or risk a terrifying prospect of letting fascists take over.

[@julielevinge266]

But what does Starmer support? Certainly not the socialist Labour Party !

[@lisadefries6718]

So loosing trust in those who actually listen. Interesting that the Media haven’t mentioned any of these inconsistencies. The depressing fact is now who can ordinary people vote for if they want change and a better balance on the distribution of the wealth they generate through their hard work ?

[@billyb6043]

@@lisadefries6718 a significant majority of the Labour Party membership are in favour of Proportional Representatation. If the Labour Party are true to their colours they will adopt PR as a matter of democratic principle. If they don't, they will fail and the UK will continue to swing from one incompetent government to the next ad infinitum. Cooperative coalition is the way forward.

[@madrockon7357]

@@lisadefries6718 We will likely need to do it over the course of the next 4 or 5 years. All that Starmer will do is put the brakes on the fascistic threat. The one we're facing right now. He's very unlikely to make any real positive changes to this country. Changes that this country critically needs. We need to use this time for a window to create some kind of movement. What kind of movement that will be might as well be anyone's guess right now.

[@francesjones9644]

This is enough to make most people, who were hoping for change after this government, to absolutely despair about the future. Keir Starmer is such a disappointment, I really didn’t have him down as a liar.

[@PaulDredge1815]

Brilliant and insightful as ever, Owen. Where's the hope? If New,New Labour is still Tories v.2, who do we move our support to? How do we ensure enough of us do so as not to simply hand the Tories a victory through divided or multiple opposition?

[@Altaw33l]

I wont be voting Labour next election. Not under Keir

[@kingozymandias8370]

He says the door is open , ive been trying to leave for 6 months now and get no reponse , apparrently the only waty to leave is cancel your Direct bebit and wait to be expelled for non payment !

[@bobrayner1093]

King Ozymandias, even that doesnt as when I cancelled my subscription they simply took it fom my account!!!?

[@1972hermanoben]

“If you don’t like my new dogma”…

[@samanthah712]

How does Starmer know what the Labour Party be in the future?

[@wassa-66]

Keir Starmer does not represent labour voters. End of.

[@davidtkocz8356]

I'm no corbynista, but keir starmer's attitude toward him is shameful.

[@all4one1forall36]

Starmer is a hypocrite and snide. Not fit to tie Jeremy Corbyn’s shoes.

[@MrDesmondPot]

I cannot believe the Labour membership fell for it. Fools.

[@farhadchaudhry]

Well, the options were not great.

[@inspectortanzi]

A lot of the Labour membership didn't - which is why they left after Corbyn did.

[@cheriepeden6384]

He seems very close to being PM, and why should he bother about integrity. Once Labor wins, nobody will worry much, they 're Conservative light anyway.

[@Papillion-Man]

What was it they used to say about boris when his lips were moving? Yep, it's totally the same with starmer.

[@10gimp39]

Borris all over again with his lie’s I have been left with nobody I can vote for A vote for this Labour Party is a vote for a rebranded Tory party

[@craigsanderson4330]

We live in system, the system will not allow the likes of JC.

[@andyhodchild8]

It's called a one party state.

[@maggiegardiner5259]

Starmer has shown us all the door, time to walk through it and take our votes with us. I'm NOT voting Labour and no I'm not a Tory enabler.

[@erin8000uk]

Yes those that are wealthy should pay a bit more how are we going to get money the poor havent got any money

[@ashleywilson2072]

You will get kicked out of Labour with these extremist views.

[@erin8000uk]

@@ashleywilson2072 😳

[@jezstevenson6880]

Thank you for putting this all together and exposing Starmer's hypocrisy and lies

[@lisacecconi6714]

He has turned out to be the same as the Tories lies and more lies. He's turned out to be for the rich not the working man. What back hander did he get.

[@daword2500]

"Get stuffed and f o" tbf. Labour is, and therefore we are, screwed. New party needed.

[@nowthenzen]

As an American is seems to me Keir Starmer is the British version of our Kyrsten Sinema but with better fashion sense. I think it fair to say if you examine Sinema's political trajectory you will predict exactly what Starmer will do and how he will attempt to explain it.

[@shtarpark7938]

As a UK citizen that pays a lot of attention to US politics, I think that is an excellent comparison.

[@nowthenzen]

@@shtarpark7938 I am sorry for both of us

[@simonedwards3904]

I am a member of the Labour party, and I will not leave, Mr Starmer; i will stay and i will fight for soul of our Party. Starmer has turned nis back on all his promises and all the principles that make the Labour what it is. This man cannot remain leader. So leaving is not an option. We all must stay and win back the party that we love from whose who want to turn it into a Tory clone. We must make this Party the Party of the people again.

[@StuBiddyBop]

So what do we do now? I’m a union branch secretary…. Are waiting a generation to get the try making the Labour Party left again? Seems like we need to organise something else

[@farhadchaudhry]

Organise in your union to leave Labour and get together in the TUC to fund a new party to challenge Lab in all its core seats that can be overturned.

[@howardconnell122]

@@farhadchaudhry Exactly this! Please!

[@helenswan705]

you may be right. We are so mired in money, it is very hard to act against.

[@carrroad]

A future Starmer government will come up against problems with the pledge to 'not increase taxes' (particularly for the very rich and big business). Namely to pay for above inflation pay increases for NHS staff and to repair destroyed public services. The public may well become very disappointed.

[@alipanroosendaal9503]

Pandering to patriotism (a euphemism for racism) and standing in front union jacks makes him look like the leader of the National Front, not Labour.

[@mariacrouch7109]

I will not be voteing labour because to me the labour party DOSNT exist

[@stothsam]

If Labour had lost Batley and Spen, wouldn't Starmer be gone and forgotten by now?

[@stephaniecharlton3319]

Owen, your response to Starmer's speech is everything I hoped it would be and more. I'm feeling really down but you are a force of hope and intellectual thought. Thank you so much for doing what you do, you're a top man. I wish you could be let loose on Starmer.