Monarch 612 Lathe Restoration: Installing an Aloris DA Tool Post, Chuck, and Making First Cuts!

[@hairyfro]

What happened to the bathtub of Evaporust?

[@guillermocarrillo3959]

I’m surprised you didn’t soak the pieces in Evaporust to remove the rust.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

Anyone else get flashbacks from shop class as Keith was installing that chuck without a board on the ways? I recall teachers hollering at students doing that.

[@ellieprice363]

Those ways are hardened and if you’re careful it doesn’t hurt them. Still, a board to protect them is always good practice.

[@kennethstaszak9990]

In my shop class we had cradles to support the chucks, handles front and rear for lifting. I made some for my lathe many years later.

[@garybrenner6236]

B. S.!@@ellieprice363

[@petemclinc]

Yeah, he sometimes does things that makes me cringe...

[@Labrador_Iron]

if you look closely the chucks diameter is small enough that its resting on the 'Inner" ways which only the tail stock and steady rest use, neither of which will ever be in the chuck area so no real harm in regards of function of the machine just aesthetics. a lot of older Lathes I've seen are pretty beat up in this area anyways from years of little nicks and bumps.

[@juliancripps1580]

Great to see the Tally Ho capstan base , clean and ready for a new cast cap!

[@65BAJA]

Pretty sure the first "job" for the lathe is machining the capstan base for it's powered conversion.

[@stuartm8335]

Keith says at 29:27 the cart is a bit too big to fit behind the lathe so i guess that is why he is picking up from the front.

[@ellieprice363]

Taking that Aloris tool post apart and reassembling it was a good learning experience for me. The three start thread and matching movable cams continues to be a very valuable and useful invention by Mr. Sirola. “Aloris” is the inventor’s name spelled backwards.

[@Paul-FrancisB]

Good morning Keith, that is a big boy's tool post! I think the guy who made that jib crane assumed that you would swing in from the back of the lathe rather than the front with the post being offset to the rear, then the load wouldn't want to move as much when you lift it.

[@cyrilhudak4568]

Was going to say the same thing. Anyone else cringe when he set that chuck on the ways without wood protection?

[@m9ovich785]

He said the cart was too wide to fit between the lathe's...

[@Paul-FrancisB]

He did 😁, the chuck cradle wants a smaller cart but it sounds like he wants to build a new crane anyway

[@Sizukun1]

I was hoping for a bunch of parts to go into your giant vat of evaporust! I guess I never thought about it before but I didn't know tool posts had those giant screws in them like that!

[@ianpendlebury9503]

That 3 jaw chuck is a work of art. As an amateur, I've never seen anything like it.

[@bcbloc02]

Exciting to see that machine finally making some chips!

[@thefirstcalled]

OMG! My sphincter tightened and my toes began to ache when I saw the little crane bend.... LOL!!! Thank you as always Mr. Rucker! Since retirement, my new career in watching people move metal is awesome! 😊

[@markedis5902]

I agree with @davidt8438 Evaporust would have done a better job by removing the most rust and converting any left into a stable form. The phrase that springs to mind is “Don’t spoil the ship for a ha’porth of tar”

[@edbennett8257]

Just a hard learned lesson, when tapping a tee nut, stop the tap just short of forming the threads all the way through. Make it so a bolt won't thread all the way through the nut to prevent forcing against the bottom of the slot accidentally.

[@grharr4136]

I see Tally Ho's windlass in the background..! The video's that you made depicting the huge amount of work required to refurbish and rebuild their windlass was phenomenal A huge undertaking and I watched them all. I was very impressed with your skill and ability to create such great work. In fact, it's how I became a fan and watch every video you post. Great job. Great work!!

[@doughunt5175]

That crane sure looks like it was meant to lift the work from behind the machine. Which makes sense, so you don't risk smashing the controls.

[@m9ovich785]

He said the cart was too wide to fit between the lathe's...

[@trainman2860]

It might help to put a piece of plywood across your ways to put the chuck on so it does not damage anything.

[@nighttrain1450]

So I am going with Leo’s capstan for the next job. I saw it in the background on the floor and the top should be ready soon. What ever it is, I can’t wait to see the lathe used .👍🇬🇧

[@rickswanberg4995]

You might want to make a chuck for the tail stock similar to the one Curtis of CEE made for his big lathe.

[@davekummer6587]

You beet me to that. Comment. Same. Idea I Thought.

[@phillipyannone3195]

Sounds like the capstan will be making an appearance.😊

[@Hoaxer51]

I could see it sitting in the background on a pallet so it’s probably going to happen real soon.

[@jimc4731]

Keith, you used to use evaporust for everything, as of late you do not use it at all! Did you loose the sponsorship? JIM 🎉

[@ellieprice363]

I’m guessing the name- brand stuff is a little too expensive for general use when white vinegar at $2.00 gallon works just as well. After the vinegar soak the light acidic action must be neutralized and the part dried and coated with oil.

[@Hoaxer51]

@@ellieprice363,Yea, but Keith already built a vat and had put at least a 55 gallon drum of Evaporust in it, it had a lid too so it wouldn’t evaporate. I wonder if he still has it, that Aloris tool hold and those Chuck’s would have been a perfect use for that stuff. Maybe not enough time in a day because you should probably let whatever you’re working on soak overnight for best results.

[@phildegruy9295]

Your mention of your friend having worked for Cincinnati Milacron brought to mind we had a body shop full of Cincinnati Milacron T3's as spot welding robots back in '95. They were beasts and could rip a Suburban body off the carrier and fling it around like it was a toy. In 1990, ABB bought the robotics business of Cincinnati Milacron in the Us and the Cincinnati robots were gradually phased out for ABB robots.

[@scottthomas5999]

That Cushman Chuck has really nice features. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@switch2472]

Keith, you can wire wheel and then boil your rusty steel parts, and it will convert the red oxide rust into black oxide. Still need to rub down/wire wheel off the flaky red before and after the boiling, and you just repeat the boil-rub down-boil cycle until only black oxide is left. Then, just treat it like any other black oxide coating

[@TheAukel]

“I kind of got an idea on something I can build.” - Keith Rucker See a problem, solve a problem. Love it.

[@avoirdupois1]

Great to see that lathe making chips! Looking forward to seeing it put to work.

[@Charlybob9008]

I think you'd benefit most with an overhead beam and trolley system designed to be able to move on a second set of two beams and trolley that will allow you to lift and move things in every direction above the lathes

[@johnwallace9002]

A trick we used to use at work was put the come-along on upside down then you have the ratchet down low mor convenient.

[@johnsherborne3245]

It’s funny how obvious simple ideas can seem. Good one!

[@johnsherborne3245]

Years back as an engineering student I was shown round the Swindon railway works. Nothing there was small. They had the mother and father of a travelling crane, ran down each side of the building, spanning everything. I’ve often thought Keith would really benefit from a proper crane. Any one got one going spare ?

[@petertitterton6836]

I also went round the Swindon Railway works. My late father-in-law was a chargehand coppersmith there. After it closed it became a designer outlet centre. Some of the old cranes and other pieces of equipment are still there.

[@johnsherborne3245]

@@petertitterton6836 rather a sad come down for what in its prime was one of the worlds greatest engineering works.

[@haydenc2742]

I saw a guy online that did a home DIY nickel plating on his tool holders to keep them from rusting...have you ever done a video on that? Very cool on clean up and setup of the tool post! Awesome stuff! Keep em coming!!!!

[@scottbishop7899]

Should've lifted the chuck on from the other side of the lathe to have your jib crane pivoted out over the floor, if you're going to mount from this side you would need the pivot arm moved to this side of the lathe or extend the boom on the jib crane (you may have to put extra support on the mounting arm etc though).

[@m9ovich785]

He said the cart was too wide to fit between the lathe's...

[@scottbishop7899]

@@m9ovich785 well that's a bugger, needs a thinner cart then lol

[@truckguy6666]

I love how you do what is reasonably necessary without going to great lengths to repair/replace/remachine every little aspect. Its a glimpse into a real life shop where stuff needs to get done, not necessarily to make video content. One of my favorite channels for a long time now! All of the woodwork/metalwork channels are trying to outdo each other and its giving amateur/novice viewers an inaccurate depiction of the trades..

[@4englishlies875]

Congratulations, first cut! This was very cool.

[@tedmiles2110]

I remember when you brought that big lathe into your shop! It has been years; but well worth all the work you put into it! Ted Miles long time watcher

[@davidt8438]

With the magic of editing you could have done a long soak in Evaporust and gotten a non abrasive way of removing the rust. At the very least a brass wire wheel would have removed the rust without the aggressive action of a steel wire wheel. But I know the comment section of this site doesn’t take kindly to any kind of criticism so let’s just agree that it would have been an option.

[@markedis5902]

I agree. Evaporust would have removed what it could and converted any surface rust left to a stable form

[@crystaldragon141]

I'm surprised he didn't cause I think he has a big tank of it.

[@kennethstaszak9990]

The classic way of rust bluing firearms is boiling in water to convert the rust then carding with a fine wire brush to remove the fuzz.

[@gregfeneis609]

Be sure to prop the jaws of your vise on the opposite side of your workpiece when clamping the workpiece at the end of the jaw like this: 9:18

[@johnhughes3995]

Definitely need to improve the crane. Great work as always.

[@markbernier8434]

Really impressive to see that working. I will say I think the crane needs to be near the top of the list. What I saw you do today is a finger smasher waiting to happen.

[@littleworkshopofhorrors2395]

I think the chucks are meant to be loaded from the back of the lathe , not the operators side, judging by the cranes pivot point. Would save the finger mangling possibility, or at least reduce it lapse of attention senior moments.

[@CothranMike]

@@littleworkshopofhorrors2395 As Keith said, it does not fit at present, I too would seek to accommodate a useful addition such as the jib crane and chuck cart. Trouble is... which lathe to move, or even rework the cart a bit. A lot to ponder.

[@chrisstephens6673]

@@CothranMike the cart is fine and the crane is fine, its just that it looks like the cart should be at the rear where the crane could lift a chuck straight up and then swing Inboard.

[@joelchabot5167]

Keith you should put plywood to protec the lathe bed of that big boy. Keep on

[@hpda44]

Wow it’s been a long time coming! Congratulations Keith.

[@MaverickandStuff]

That is a nice chuck. You could flip the inner and outer jaws around and get what looks like 6-8in of engagement on the part. You can really get a good hold on your parts.

[@robrobitaille4235]

Nice job. What a beautiful lathe. And, as usual, I learned stuff. Thank you!

[@carlkulyk366]

I admire your taste in machine tools, all top shelf kit. I think you have the best home shop on you tube.

[@ericmcrae7758]

Hi Keith A couple of observations I was surprised you had that chuck clonking around on the ways, why not use a plank of wood on the ways then the chuck? and I seem to remember you used to have a tank of Evaporust wouldn't that have been perfect for cleaning up the tool post.

[@LanceMcGrew]

Ditto - cringed when chuck banged against ways thinking get out the plywood please

[@tropifiori]

What a gorgeous set up. You really turned some beat up equipment into pure jewelry. Kudos Frank

[@SciPunk215]

It's ALIVE !

[@alun7006]

It's alive, it's alive! Congrats on the big milestone - looking forward to seeing what you do with the beast. That chuck is a monster - it probably weighs more than my whole lathe!

[@bulletproofpepper2]

Your happiness is hard to contain but it’s beautiful to watch. Thanks for sharing. I know that chuck was so heavy it may have broken a piece of wood between the ways. That chuck is art.

[@CothranMike]

ArmoredPepperDuex the way to prevent ways damage from mounting and dismounting chucks and faceplates is to place a device, prepared well in advance, which has wooden riser blocks connected at the bottom which drops between the ways in question and supports any falls or even scratching, had an oldtimers adjustable way caddie in a shop I worked at which fit the purpose. Very handy and easy to store with the chuck cart.

[@WestHamBubbleBoy]

If you are going to be changing the 3 and 4 jaw chucks over on a more frequent basis, I suggest you sort your crane out ASAP before one of you gets injured! It's great to see some actual machining done for a change. Thanks, Keith. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿⚒️

[@ianmoone2359]

Awesome work as always. Really nice to see an old lathe have new life breathed into it. Of course to restore a lathe you first have to own a lathe 😂😂👍 If I were to guess, I’d just about bet dollars to donuts that the large machining job that you have coming up is the new cast winch capstan for Leo’s Tally Ho Boat restoration that’s being cast over at Windy Hill Foundry. Can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to this next series on that project Kieth, it combines two of my passions - boats and machining. 👍👍👍🇦🇺

[@johnbewick6357]

I guess you are going to need this lathe to machine the Tally Ho capstan, which looks like it is on the crate by the forge. Saw a preview of Clark casting a prototype capstan top which was broken in your shop when dismantling it. Cant wait to see it being machined and put back to working order.

[@johnmolnar2957]

I see the Tally Ho Capstan casting fitted up in that lather for machining

[@chrisrhodes5464]

So your job for this lathe is the top piece of tally ho capstan I know that windy hill founder is about ready to have it ready

[@Barnagh1]

Great to see it running so well after all your careful work.

[@masteruniverse3506]

Single point threading is always magic!

[@waynephillips2777]

It's great to see this lathe making chips.

[@andrewstoll4548]

It's kind of funny watching you use this large handle with the big tap when earlier I watched Curtis of CEE sweating using a 2.8mm tap hoping not to break it.

[@samuraidriver4x4]

I rather tap a 1 inch hole then a 2.8mm one😂 Tapped plenty of m24 and m30 holes by hand but I hate the small sizes under m5.

[@paulcopeland9035]

*Kurtis

[@donmedford2563]

The scroll on that 3 jaw chuck is the slowest I have ever seen. One think I would love for you to show is cutting a 2 or 3 point thread like is on that tool post. I have seen lots of single point threads cut on you tube but never any thing else.

[@davidhall1779]

yeay team, first chips on the monarch. its been a great project to watch.

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Thanks for sharing Keith

[@waynep343]

Years in the making. Looks beautiful. Congrats on the first chips from that. I have seen most if not all of the videos on that rebuild.

[@GreeceUranusPutin]

Finally, someone who isn't on the evaporust payroll!

[@paulcopeland9035]

Keith has the largest tank of Evaporust on KZbin. You need to review past episodes.

[@PixelSchnitzel]

Why use the wire wheel to remove rust when you have that big tank of Evapo Rust? It would get into the places the wire wheel didn't and keep your grease from getting a bunch of rust suspended in it.

[@mikes4408]

Thanks Keith! Nice vid. Please check your audio. Thanks

[@rexmyers991]

WOW,! A very big moment. First chips on the Monarch 10 EE lathe. CONGRATULATIONS,Sir.

[@ratdude747]

Wrong lathe. This is a Monarch 612... his biggest lathe. Monarch 10EE is a small toolroom lathe...same company, but very different product.

[@rexmyers991]

@@ratdude747 Ah my bad! Sorry

[@jpgsawyer]

You really want to look at Evaporust. It just removes the rust and leaves the part clean. Perfect for getting into the nooks and crannies of a part like that tool post. Just so nice and just takes a bit of time. It doesn't leave anything being like other rust removers and doesn't burn you either. Just makes like so easy.

[@ericmcrae7758]

Keith has a tank of Evaporust I really dont understand why he didnt use it unless these videos are all out of date sequence,

[@rgmoore]

Wonder why not use that huge tank of EvpoRust you used to have. That stuff should have eliminated all the rust in all the areas for a bit of soaking.

[@HorsleyLandy88]

Making chips, well done Keith.

[@frankerceg4349]

Thank you Keith!

[@dcrahn]

Why not use your tank of Evapo-Rust? Also (Lathe Care & Maintenance) Never lay your chucks or any tools on the Ways!

[@darkwinter7395]

I was thinking exactly the same thing... don't grease it yet, evapo-rust it first! 😬

[@WillyBemis]

Great video! Thank you Keith!

[@ronwilken5219]

Hi kieth, I guess a long journey finally comes to an end, sort of. If I may can I suggest a couple of side projects to make your machine a little easier and safer to use. You've already touched on the new improved jib crane so I won't go there. However your banging that heavy chunk of metal on the bed ways you spent so much time repairing made my skin crawl. Please make yourself a wooden cradle that will ride the ways at the correct, or near to, height to fit the various chucks. The Aloris tool post is a great addition. I don't know if you've seen it done but some with those types of posts have found that installing a roller thrust bearing under the top flange nut enables one to tighten the post more securely and reduces the possibility of the whole post rotating under heavy cutting loads. Since youre going to order a flange nut from McMaster Carr a suitable bearing will only add a few dollars and use less than a quarter inch of your bolt length. On the subject of the T nut in the top slide, if you cut the thread only until the tip of the tap appears the bottom thread will be incomplete, the stud will only go so far and you'll be safe from not cracking and/or jacking the top off the top slide. Getting rid of that copy attachment and replacing it as you've suggested will make a big difference. Overall, a satisfying series of videos. Thank you! I, for one, am looking forward to this "big job" you have lined up for that machine. Stay safe, regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊️🇺🇦🕊️🇺🇲🏁👍

[@PhilG999]

I'm only 2 minutes in but I can tell this is going to be a good one! Can't wait to see that 612 making chips!

[@stanmoderate4460]

Assuming you are a one-man business? I cannot imagine how much you have invested in the machinery in your shop!

[@Ron-k8e7f]

good job keith

[@wallaceknifeworkshomestead]

Nice ! Would that big job have anything to do with a sailboat? 😁😁

[@maureennewcomb7882]

That’s my bet.

[@ddblairco]

thank you Keith

[@TheLfd213]

Love the sound of the rain frogs in the background. Brings back memories of the shop at my grandparents farm

[@jsteifel]

oh boy Keith, I was holding my breath when you were moving that chuck over. I was hoping you were going to put some wood in there to protect your ways. did you clean the scroll out after all that wire wheeling and scotch brite work.

[@cyclebuster]

My Chuck on my Walcott is a 4 jaw independent / Scroll chuck, similar design to yours. Everything I chuck in that thing goes to .0000. I am rapidly wanting to use anything but a 4 jaw.

[@marvinschleicher5542]

I think you should put a board on the ways to keep from dinging them up. Chuck is heavy and wouldn’t take much to mar machine. Just thinkin

[@robertmatel8136]

What happened to the huge Evaporust tank?

[@timf6916]

Great job

[@swarfster]

I wonder if they loaded the chucks from the back of the lathe and that’s why it doesn’t swing over the front?

[@FutopiaAD]

A board across the ways would be really cheap insurance while mounting that chuck. That chain looks pretty spindly

[@seapy2398]

Naa, chain made in China will lift ANYTHING!

[@StevenEverett7]

Congratulations Keith on a job well done!

[@Sundancer268]

First time I ever saw you not check the TPI when Threading the bolt about time 27:00.

[@hodwooker5584]

I think that jib crane was meant to be used from the rear of the lathe.

[@johncloar1692]

Great job Keith you have a very nice machine. As alway you do very fine work. Looking forward to see you use it in the future.

[@wdhewson]

Please make a bed board for chuck changing !!!

[@stevedunford7632]

Am I right in thinking those jaws with the extra adjuster behind means the same jaws can be used for external and internal clamping. If so then the jaws could be opened to a point where the scroll was still engaged then use the secondary adjuster to pop the jaw out and reverse it

[@ronshumway1]

So you've given up on Evaporust, Keith?

[@edcallahan6952]

Nice video I have a cushman 4 jaw combination chuck works slick probably 16 inch , you have a cushman chuck publication showing them and how to use them. Thanks for all your effort making this video ed

[@MartsGarage]

Hello Keith. I love the big Monarch, what a sweet machine. You've done a great job on it. I was also impressed by the adjustable 3 jaw. That's a pretty versatile piece. Re the crane. The addition of an intermediate arm would allow far more range and would be a neat way to do it. Of course the roller beam type of device would also work but just pointing out an alternative. I'm interested to see what you want to do on the lathe and any more mods you care to do. All the best, Mart in England.

[@dantodd]

I think you're supposed to mint the chick from behind the lathe. The arm rotates to be over the cart behind the lathe and then you rotate it to be over the ways in front of the nose

[@someguy2741]

I am surprised they didn't use the rivets as studs to tie the wires to

[@Halinspark]

Could you use the adjustment on the chuck jaws to loosen one jaw, flip something around, and tighten it back down without losing as much concentricity? Sounds great in theory, but in practice doesn't care about theory.

[@jamesnorman415]

Tapping that hole made my back hurt!😊😊

[@johnwhelan6115]

Hi Keith - a great project - well filmed as usual. Very hard to hear in places as the sound level does vary sometimes.

[@kensherwin4544]

At least some of those places are where the lathe was making a lot of background noise and the automatic volume control backed off. When I turned my local volume up at one of them, Keith was still very hard to hear, much like being in a real machine shop.

[@Arnie10101]

Good morning, Keith :)

[@pinterelectric]

Looks like so much fun!