"Kel-Tec PMR30: FN Five Seven Competition?" by Nutnfancy

Out of the gate, the KelTec PMR-30 failed to impress me. With great anticipation it arrived on scene in 2011 and ran hard with us in the Eat Lead and Have No Fear Drills [see vids]. It choked lots and I was embarrassed for KelTec. In those videos I did not hold back and said how it sucked. Fast forward two years. With several changes made this generation, the PMR-30s we tested this year shot better. Generational changes are discussed. Being extremely lightweight, only 20 ounces fully loaded, the PMR is hard to shoot accurately for me. Strong adherence to the fundamentals is mandatory. But it's firepower and cheaper ammo than the excellent FN Five Seven are huge draws to this high value gun. You will have to decide if the .22 Win Mag is adequate for your purposes; hitting power discussed. Its extremely low recoil is a huge selling point for this fast firing, easy to control pistol. In the review, ergos, POUs, materials, durability, reliability, sights, and the quirks of the PMR-30 are discussed as I attempt to answer if it stacks against the Five Seven, saving you lots of money. Excellent CeraKote colors are now offered and shown within the video for this 2012 test and review [two shot]. Downsides remain the magazine which I suspect is the culprit of the malfunctions we encountered and it really needs to be made of steel says me. I would not integrate a PMR-30 into my Bug Out kits on the account of the unsure reliability, toughness to shoot well, and dubious stopping power of the .22 mag./////////////////////////// ///////// Nutnfancy Likability Scale: 6 out of 10

[@ToggleSwitch13]

What people dont realize, is that if you can get comfortable with this gun, 30 rounds of 22 Magnum is game over, period.

[@1lapmagic]

Less than 10 rounds of any other caliber is going to be game over, period also

[@Autoxdriver]

There is a lot of Kel-Tec bashing in this thread. I have or have owned a P3AT, PF-9, two Sub2000s, an SU-16, and just ordered a PMR-30. I carried the PF-9 for two years. Out of all of them the only real failure I ever had was the P3AT broke an extractor almost immediately which was promptly replaced by Kel-Tec free of charge and then never had any other issues with it. All of the guns ran well. What people have to realize is that Kel-Tec plays where others fear to go. They make extremely lightweight and/or compact guns which due to simple physics are harder to get to run reliably than larger heavier guns. So they accomplish something more difficult for less money. Also being almost entirely polymer these guns will eventually wear out, they are not heirloom quality and are not meant to be. The flip side however is that KT will stand behind them and fix them essentially forever. Quit comparing Timex to Rolex. Yes I wear Timex for the much better value!

[@pfucku]

FN Five seveN: $1300, PMR30: $300. You are correct in your assessment- high value. Of course it's not going to compete with the Five-seveN!

[@flyhigh8313x]

I am very glad to see that Kel-Tec is working on there line to make them more reliable...Glad to see your back

[@Autoxdriver]

In the description he says "I would not integrate a PMR-30 into my Bug Out kits on the account of the unsure reliability", but in the vid he says they have excellent reliability after break in. People I know that have them also say they run great with high quality ammo. I just ordered one from CDNN for $439. CCI will be my primary load, some cheaper Armscor for plinking. I bought mine specifically for my get home bag. I can easily carry 500 rounds of ammo and with that capacity ammo compatibility just isn't an issue for a "get home" gun. If I have to shoot that much on the way home and am still alive I will have my pick of other weapons! I'm considering the 5" threaded barrel for flash suppression and blast redirection (these things are LOUD!), the small velocity boost is an added plus. I'm on a waiting list for a CMR and those two will make an excellent "Get Home" combo IMHO.

[@SCPorchGardner]

I think a 22 wmr for self defense would be sufficient. More people die from 22lr in America than any other caliber. definitely with a 30 round mag? Hell Yea!

[@silentguy5875]

That's because a lot of gang bangers use them not because it's super deadly.

[@spacepope87]

Exactly.

[@DD2014]

Did you say 15.6oz? + 6oz with a LOADED 30 round magazine? I'll take two :)

[@nathanatramp]

Thank you thank you thank you for doing another EXCELLENT gun review. Man, I'm so glad you do these to cut through all the CRAP out there in both publications and on the internet. I like a "long-winded" detailed work-through and you do it well. Also, don't worry about the description. No biggie. Haters gonna hate.

[@jsgktr93]

Also, Grandpa Hickok and his giant oak tree hands DID release the mag a couple time, like you mentioned.

[@LIV2500]

Looks like Kel Tec is releasing a carbine format of this pistol. That'd be pretty sweet.

[@9mmsteve]

how someone can talk so long about nothing is truly amazing

[@jamessoroe5605]

Right?

[@JohnDoe-fw4pi]

Thank you... that babbling was horrible.. he forgot to edit....

[@Darkerloaf]

I like the philosophy, nutn. That's why I prefer your channel when compared with others. Instead of making snap judgments from an "unboxing" review and putting a few dozen rounds through it, you actually shoot the thing how I would: A LOT. That's where you find problems and realize where the gun is actually at.

[@timmyburch9126]

Picked up a new one today for $289 out the door.

[@timmyburch9126]

+Jim Veybe Ft. Campbell PX

[@timmyburch9126]

+Jim Veybe well go sign up

[@JohnDoe-sb2kj]

+Jim Veybe Should of did a full 20!

[@woodsman500]

I don't think that people should be complaining about not having a sidebar description. Everyone has busy lives and we should respect that. It is a great video with or without a sidebar description. Not my stile of pistol but it was a great review ether way! Thanks nutn!!!

[@onebigpine9877]

Still lookin' for an available "2.0" model. I don't see a valid argument against the PMR30. No, it won't have the power and reliability of a centerfire round. But ! It will allow one to carry, for the price of a decent quality 22LR CARBINE, (ex: my Ruger 10/22) and the cost of rimfire ammo, with the firepower of extended magazines, in a HOLSTER ! Add the 22WMRs jacketed projectiles along with its disposable cartidge casings, and its a firearm that will do a LOT of the things a firearm is useful for.

[@stevebarnes9694]

onebigpine someone reasonable and cogent. Did you ever find a 2.0?

[@vanniek71]

I've got 2 PF 9's, would kill for a KSG, and am really liking this pistol the more I see of it. Thanks for the updated review, I think I will pick one up if I can find it.

[@DD2014]

I wonder how the accuracy would be shooting 50 gr? I'm sure with the ballistics of the round the point of aim would be lower. This would be better for close range. Although I wonder what KelTec is setting these sights up for.. If its 50 yards, testing should be done at that range. All said and done, the firearm seems to produce decent groups. If the trigger is as good as you say it is, I see no reason to throw some sights (or a red dot) on it and go :)

[@southerndixierebel]

Great Video Nutn, after not seeing anything from TNP for awhile this is a welcome sight, love the good ole gun reviews. In my opinion your reviews are the best and most thorough on the web. Thanks for everything you do.

[@bluedistortions]

ha! if you can hold 30 x .22s in the same space you can hold 18 x 9mm, the 30 x .22 is a better choice. With your logic, if you need 18 bullets, you need to improve your aim, get a revolver. But wait! If you need 6 bullets, you need to improve your aim, get a derringer. OR MAYBE I SHOULD CHOSE WHAT MAKES SENSE. 30 bullets, just as deadly as any of the smaller pistol rounds, in a tiny compact package.

[@ryan33111]

I've owned this gun for about a year now and really enjoy shooting it. I've only put about 250 rounds through it but I've only had (from what I can remember) one FTF. Very fun to shoot. Wonderful review Nutn!!

[@secondpath5148]

In my honest opinion, The PMR-30 isn't very good compared to the FN Five-SeveN. Not saying it's a bad gun, I like the PMR 30 and Five-SeveN, but look at the facts: The Five Seven, loaded with FNH basic Blue-Tip 5.7x28 Rounds, Has virtually no recoil and can literally, In the Hands of an experienced Shooter, Pepper the Bullseye on a Paper target at 100 Yards. The PMR has no recoil but it's accuracy over long ranges is....Questionable. The PMR Beats the Five Seven, however, In price and Ammo Availability. The Five seven Nabs this gun everywhere else, including looks. This gun looks Very Boxy. The Five seven is smaller and Looks A lot Better made, and Even with a Shorter barrel, Retains remarkable accuracy at over 75 yards.

[@secondpath5148]

ZERO94AIC well, that and the fact that five-sevens are currently on Backorder because FN is going through a period of retooling.

[@secondpath5148]

ZERO94AIC I dunno what the hel, they are doing, but I want them to stop it, brcause i'm going to be buying a mk2 when i can find one. I know the factory went on strike a year ago, maybe that has something to do with it.

[@jamesstinson519]

Yeah it cost more and better quality

[@Deadpoolmasterchief]

I agree what's harder to find 22 or 5seven rounds seeing as the five seven rounds are not commercially available that's a sign to stock up if u can afford a 1200$ gun nutn is stockpiling 22s for like ever I'm my honest opinion get the middle go 9mm or 45 theirs alott of them and u have a wide variety of choice if 9mm guns glock u can swap barrels and use both rounds in them

[@secondpath5148]

Utubemanxan H i bought 500 5.7x28 rounds for about 360$ online. i ordered the gun itself from LGS, the PMR and the FSN are hard to find, but not impossible to come across.

[@stevegarrett4869]

first of all I love the car stuff and the philosophy stuff. but after being without new vids for a couple week and with TNP at a cross roads man this video hit the spot, just a good ole fashion review that we have all come to expect. thanks nutn,

[@bluedistortions]

footpounds equal shit, unless you're talking enough to overcome the elasticity of tissue, which would take a VERY powerful pistol round (or a standard rifle round) but that takes a much, much larger, heavier, pistol. Obvious downside. It's about PLACEMENT. a .22 mag round will pierce right through a human torso. just making the hole a bit bigger with a .45 won't make that much of a difference if your placement is bad, and with a .22 you can fire much more rapidly and accurately with follow ups.

[@exploited8779]

I will watch TNP no matter the content man, no one does it as honest and as detailed as you do it dude. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TNP!!!!

[@RCGB31]

This weapon is UNSAFE and DANGEROUS to use: Twice I had to replace the disassembly pins in a period of time of 500 rounds shot with it. But the worst is that the barrel chamber on mine literally exploded, it disintegrated ! What is unacceptable is in this day and age with manufacturing and design technology that a chamber would detonate using KelTec approved CCI Maxi-Mag, as suggested in the owner's manual: This chamber is made out of cast !!! I am now waiting to see what KelTec will do with these issues. I still have no reply to my complaints !

[@Jamblinman]

Is it the newer one or the older designed one? Whats the manufacturer date?

[@RCGB31]

budgray18 The new one !

[@SCPorchGardner]

maybe you had a bad batch?

[@bretts7037]

Yeah all of KelTec's guns look like they were 3d printed in some guy's basement. I wouldn't trust something that looks like it would fall apart.

[@cuda861]

Brett Savenkoff yeah I think the main problem he's having is that it's a kel tec

[@sportsman48]

Absolutely. I bought one, didn't like it too much and sold it to a buddy. It failed to cycle a mag without having a malfunction. He sent it back to Kel-Tec for service.

[@geezerp1982]

so a.22magnum out of a pistol produces .22lr rifle velocities.

[@nathanatramp]

I'm liking that your honest about KT. There's too many people saying "KT is junk," but the reality is that ALL manufacturers will have some issues and KT has a few more just because that's the state of their QC. I'm not big on blanket statements of criticism or approval. Saying, "every gun in an individual from KT" is an awesome way to sum things up at this point.

[@flyingwondercat739]

.22 magnum is not a bad round but it doesn't compare to the 5.7mm of the Five Seven. The military grade (not neutered civ rounds) have better kinetic energy , better penetration, etc. Close, but not a fair comparison.

[@nutnfancy]

Chad, I just saw this comment for the first time. That was so cool of you to say!!! Thank you. -- Veri

[@bluecrabsandsushi2]

Come on, Kel Tec shouldn't be in a comparison against FN, ever. It's like Honda vs. BMW.

[@awesomeologyism]

In that the Honda is slower, but more reliable?

[@IXIsweat]

Thanks for the response, really appreciate all the work you guys do for us!

[@PlanetRibooted]

I'd like to see a PMR-30 in .22lr to throw in the BOB with my Ruger 10/22 Take down. I love the idea of this pistol with a 30 round capacity but can't justify it when I have no other .22WMR firearms.

[@aceontheline1]

Just purchased a PMR and instead of shooting my $15.00 for 50 rounds ammo I dug out some ancient .22 WMR rounds that had to be around 20 years old. Shot 50-60 rounds with only one problem which was my fault. Basically I loaded the magazine incorrectly. As a side note, and I'll have to double check, but I could swear my rear sight WAS a drift adjustable sight. So, my testing was far from conclusive but it did give me confidence that there would be no major issues. Again, yes I know 60 rounds is hardly indicative of proving reliability but I was feeling cheap that particular day and very short on time.

[@tonyfromconn4401]

Kel-Tec.... when you absolutely, positively need a stovepipe.

[@skankhunt-vw8xr]

tonyfromconn You mean Glock.

[@tonyfromconn4401]

Nice pic. No, I am no fan of Glock per se, but I can't recall the last stovepipe from my Glock 17 or 21.

[@skankhunt-vw8xr]

The lighter ones will stovepipe because of weight. That's just what happens with polymer. Of course it's if you limp wrist, but it's still going to happen. No steel framed gun will pipe. Not so much the 21.

[@Wgraham3809gmail]

Nutnfancy thank you so much for sticking with the project, I know it takes a lot of commitment and time but we all appreciate the work you do very much. Good day for the sheepdog to see your videos after a long day of work! Thanks and God bless.

[@ianhamiltontakimoto8458]

Sorry Nutnfancy I like you a lot I think your a cool guy but i have been in the gun business a little over 19 years now as a sales prep and a fire arms instructor and by my experience Kel tec is one of the biggest piece of ''SHIT '' guns ever. it doesn't matter what model gun you buy from them I would say 7 out of 10 doesn't work poor poor inconsistency in performance and reliability. So folks It is better if you take the time and save your money and buy some thing else or the Ruger SR 22 it doesn't cost much even less than the PMR 30 and the '' performance'' is out of this world for a pistol that shoots .22 long rifle must pistols that shoots this round are moody and it can take some time to find the right round to feed well in you .22lr pistol but not the Ruger SR 22 it eats every thing no inconsistency to feed and its very reliable .

[@daviddavid-gt9bx]

Ian, I own a slew of guns...I think that you are wrong! I love my pmr30...fast, light and very reliable! Also, side bar, you need to go back to 4th grade english. Hahahaha...."..poor poor inconsistency..." actually means that the inconsistency was so poor that it was good. Double negative my man. Therefore a very consistent firearm. Or, maybe poor poor means good inconsistency...You confuse me Just a side bar.

[@ianhamiltontakimoto8458]

you have the right to your opinion and I have mine so yeah. I don't care about how many guns you own Kel tec history speaks for it self .

[@ianhamiltontakimoto8458]

Damn sorry to hear that I never heard of any of those model RS22 to break

[@Darkerloaf]

Super excited for the review! I really like reading your sidebar descriptions, so that's too bad, but understand this is all a lot of work! I've wanted a PMR-30 since I learned about them; in fact, trying to find a decent PMR-30 review was how I stumbled upon the project. Thanks! Keep it up!

[@MrEvanfriend]

Kel-Tec is crap, I wouldn't pay money for any of the garbage they make.

[@coryfoster401]

Nutn is a independent gear/gun reviewer. He wouldn't give a positive review if it didn't meet or exceed his expectations. Anything else you want to troll about?

[@MrEvanfriend]

I don't care. Kel-Tec is still garbage. If he likes it, bully for him, but I've had the displeasure of shooting Kel-Tecs before and every one I've shot was grossly unreliable, poorly designed, and usually filled a niche that didn't exist. Pure garbage.

[@MrEvanfriend]

***** Why preach to the choir? It's Kel-Tec fanboys who need to be enlightened on the incredibly poor quality and usually stupid designs of their precious cheap pieces of crap.

[@MrEvanfriend]

Read my above response. Kel-Tec fanboys are the ones who need to be told that Kel-Tec firearms are incredibly poor quality and usually stupid designs too. Everyone else already knows that. No point in preaching to the choir.

[@jerrythebaum4388]

I'd pick a Kel-tec than nothing at all. It's cheap guns for people on a budget, it's not about quality. Seriously man...

[@murph1911]

so funny I bought this gun 2 day before the vid comes out, and shot it yesterday the 24th of Oct. love the vids and hard work. Glade to see u back.

[@leslieneal1978]

A definite Pou for this should be pest and varmint control. Not hunting, but if you get back to the house late at night and you got possum, raccoon or even coyotes skulking around. Handy little varmint/vehicle gun.

[@creativemaddman]

Thanks for the review! I kinda like the sidebar review being absent until more views. You do so much work as it is, that writing a thorough sidebar is just yet another layer to the production. Anyhow, us TNPr's have been spoiled with your awesome vids and sidebars, so this just motivates us to step up our game and do our own research... to get more engaged with our gear and your reviews. Thanks again!

[@reeseman67]

NICE, glad to see this is finally reviewed!! Hope this show's the TNPr's are here and waiting, and now..... I press play!...... Nutnfancy fix! Man, you got TWO, I still can't find one! Nutn, you should open a gunshop JUST to help us TNPr's find Kel-Tec firearm's of any sort, especially the Sub-2000's, SU-16C, KSG, etc!

[@The1GWP]

Agreed. A Prius would run a lot cheaper than my K5, each has an application which is why Nutn talks about POU. I'm lookin forward to running both in the next Steel Challenge

[@jgb559]

Loved the review, great job, So happy your back!!

[@bradlo48]

Great vid as always. Glad you are doing what you and crew are doing this gun is on my long list of firearms to acquire thanks for the review. Keep up the awesome work

[@richsanch74]

i've viewed a few of your comments, and agree completely. (a huge LOL) what do people frickin' want, a little courtesy when they want their trivial demands met and then show no courtesy when they've already got the primary content of a top class, high quality review (gear, adventure & travel) vid (for free!) that someone has spent a hell of a lot of time, money and effort to produce for the entertainment of complete strangers.

[@Strelnikov10]

Agreed, love the sidebars and likability scale. Not as a reward for us all watching the video, but as an initial part of the video.

[@mascar1423]

love the vid but the best part of it was just hearing the gun echo at the end. But i am glad kel-teck did fix the problems it had. Because i just watch both kel-tech shoots and i want all three of the guns you where running that chad brought along.

[@dickcurrey21]

Not that the zombie apocalypse is going to happen, but, if I found my self in the middle of The Walking Dead a pair of these in a shoulder holster would be the bees knees. Great review!

[@andy366919]

Thank you for this review! Glad you back!!!!

[@nightsight85]

A good buddy of mine works at the local shop. He got this pistol soon after it came out and let me shoot his. I only had one fail in the mag i fired but i loved it. Now if kel tec could just pump them out faster. :) great vid, nutn!

[@bluedistortions]

the 5.7 was designed to penetrate body armor at 100+ yards; a bit overkill for your standard self defense situation. It's a military round, propietary to FN, and extremely expensive. And the Five-Seven doesn't hold 30 rounds. I'd take the Kel Tec any day, unless you're buying the ammo (and holding the extra clips.)

[@BeachBow]

"they should ship it out right" is exactly why I'll bypass Kel-Tec in the future. Bought a PF9, had issues, finally had to go to the factory for them to keep it an hour and put in all the upgrades. Works great now, but I've seen too many others having this same issue. Buy a weapon, have issues, send to Kel-Tec, get it back fixed. Might have good customer service, but a buyer shouldn't have to use it right out of the box. Glad your's is working for ya. IMHO

[@DennyRec]

Welcome back, great to hear your voice. Kel Tec to me, makes good firearms after the first making. Like the second making of a pistol, seems the way to go. I like their firearms, and one is my car weapon. There costumer service is great. Thanks for the open review. Have a good day...

[@werminator]

Though your shotgun reference is hokey I agree with the general statement. KelTec should focus on production more than development at this point. They won't build a loyal customer base if there isn't product we can buy!!!! KELTEC GET ON THE STICK AND GIVE US THE PRODUCT!!!

[@FoolyCoolyap]

HECK YES! Glad to see this vid man. Hope everything keeps going better for you. Always be yourself and do what you need to. But it is good to see something new from you.

[@F15Eagle61]

Hey Nutn! SO glad to see you back. I had to dance around for a while when I saw you posted this. Really great review. LIke many TNP followers, I check your site several times a day to see if you've got anything new up. I watch all of them, and love them all. Thanks for coming back.

[@xboxblows]

I am glad that most gun reviewers on youtube can be civil with each other.

[@PreparednessToday]

Watched and enjoyed.. Biggest complaint I have about the PMR-30 is how hard it is to find one! I worked at a gun shop, we received 30 of them one day, they were all taken within less than one hour. Kel-tec is a good company from what I have seen and from what I have shot, biggest downside is they don't put their guns out in high enough numbers. If I ever find a PMR-30, I'll gladly pick one up for fun shooting and for my get home bag.

[@dhilliker79]

Glad your back NF. Always the best reviews.

[@The1GWP]

already got one and love it. Also love your reviews. Keep on keepin on.

[@droctothorp]

Just giving some praise about the length of your reviews. I really love it. It's like watching an informative movie.

[@werminator]

Nutn's back kicking ass and taking names... So glad to see it bro! TNP rolls on!!!!!!!!!!

[@YuppieMike]

I appreciate this video Nutnfancy, as a 5-7 owner I think the PMR30 is the a great value plinking pistol. 22 WMR is a great round for varmints. Kel Tec if you are reading I would like to see the PMR in 17 HMR (game changer for 17hmr)...Next time I see a PMR30 at a reasonable retail price I will be buying it.

[@mac6706]

I think the pmr30 is a very cool concept, however I wouldn't be interested in buying one. Thanks for your hard work nutn, and veri!

[@macdud85]

Good review nutn', I can only hope that rmr comes to your table top review too! I am thankful for your input and time on these reviews.

[@Texaco4109]

Nice review glad to see your picking up those crystal balls and carrying on with the project. Keep the videos coming please!!!!

[@ParanoidBebop]

Crystal Balls for the win! Good review and interesting pistol. Glad you and the project are staying around for a bit longer. Hope it's a lot longer! Thanks for all your hard work Nutnfancy!

[@SuperDave21]

Loving the work Nutnfancy, Appreciate your efforts! Even if I can't afford the pistol... crap!

[@fishblade2]

I understand this and I didn't mean for it to sound hateful but I realize that with all the work you guys put into editing and how the reviews are just so through there's nothing to complain about, I just wish more guys help nutnfancy on the project to get back to answering message more often.

[@jondoe-hr9wn]

Glad to hear that the problems are fixed. I just hope that they work on filling their orders. I have been waiting for six months for mine.

[@dloc502]

I would like to tell you that I always enjoy your reviews. Thank you!

[@schmidtrubin1791]

Excellent and very objective review, Sir! 44 of my minutes well invested, thanks a lot for your many hours to produce this review!

[@EntranceDenied]

A PMR30 chambered in 5.7 would totally be awesome. The biggest problem with the 5.7 pistol is also the price itself too. With the reliability of a center fire and the value, size, and weight of a Keltec... It would be killer.

[@kennethwilson7315]

I'm going to add my 2 cents on comparing the Kel-Tec and Five seveN. If we look at the dimensions of .22 WMR as a metric round it would be 5.7 x 24 as opposed to 5.7 x 28. In inch caliber 5.7 is .224 inches which low and behold the .22 WMR is also .224 inches. Technically you could load the 5.7 projectile into the .22 WMR casing and fire it but feeding reliability would most likely be limited to bolt action rifles. The biggest physical advantages that the 5.7 x 28 cartridge has are the following: it is centerfire, it is bottlenecked, and it is longer. These 3 physical advantages mean that it will feed and fire more reliably and hold more powder. More powder means more explosive potential thus more speed. However, until you begin using 5.7 loads hotter than the .22 WMR cartridge is capable of, you really only have the better feeding of the bottlenecked rimless cartridge and the reliability of centerfire priming. What I am getting at with all this is that with great .22 WMR ammo you could potentially have a more effective and reliable round than a cheaply made low power 5.7 round. That's my cartridge comparison. So this brings us to the safe chamber pressures that the individual weapon can accomodate being a key factor as well as barrel length to achieve higher muzzle velocity. Since the FN and the Kel-Tec are almost the only semi-auto handguns available using these 2 cartridges, I don't think that a comparison of the 2 is that far-fetched. My Marlin 925M bolt action rifle chambered in .22 WMR has proven to me that the cartridge can be extremely accurate (I use it to shoot expended .22 WMR brass that I stick in the target at 75 yards.) So thank you Nutnfancy for the review and comparison. It seems to me Kel-Tec has made a decent pistol that still has room for improvement. The Five-seveN performs better and is the better pistol. Now if only my Ruger MkIII competition target model were chambered in .22 WMR and used a 30-rd clip...that would be a dream lol.

[@gonzonoid]

thanks for posting and i hope they keep comin. (i had to watch old vids to get my fix the past week)

[@TeyCallMeBigMac]

James yeager has an excellent point regarding this. thats true that 22lr causes the most deaths BUT as Yeager says A round for self defence is to stop the attack then and there at that moment, not to kill them a weak from now. 22 just doesnt have that stopping power to really stop the threat at that moment. Granted putting so many rounds down range with the 30rnd mags is a pro, he makes a good point

[@brent56and1]

I think KelTec has a good future ahead of them. They seem to have quality control figured out now. I have a second generation KSG and it is awesome.

[@Hawtload]

+brent56and1 I got a PLR-16 from them that wasn't strong enough to chamber a new round out of the box. But I sent it in and after about a month I got it back and it seems to be flawless now.

[@777leunamme777]

al you videos are simply AWESOME man, you answer all of the questions that are in my mind while i saw them, thank u a lot man for your great project. PD: im a lot surprised for the sound and video quality, and the night shooting are awesome too. :D

[@FunkyPertwee]

Another awesome video! You give the best reviews in town, brother. I love all the details.

[@IIDASHII]

I watch TN outdoors all the time. He does a great job. Bullet velocity makes a MASSIVE difference in penetration, but sometimes it is counter intuitive. The 5.56 is a good example of high velocity meaning LESS penetration because of fragmentation. There is a fragmentation threshold for every bullet out there. In looking more closely, the 5.7 might not reach that threshold. 1700fps is a medium speed, so I can see how it might penetrate more than a .45. The .45 FMJ just keeps going VS Drywall.

[@tazmon433]

Pmr 30 is not the first 22 mag with thirty rounds. First attempt was called a Grendel before kel tec was kel tec. Was made from 90-94. Weapons ban ended it. These to had problems. I'm glad this pistol was not given up on totally. Some people just don't like change as in new and innovative. With that said your going to have some issues.

[@cordovarock]

Glad to see your back. Always check your reviews before I buy gear!

[@ZachTheHobbyist]

Glad you're back dude! Looking forward to new content from you, no matter what it is!

[@PinkertonOutdoors]

Nutnfancy, you are one of the most "impressive people" on youtube. Keep up the good work!

[@jaro360]

Loving the gun and appreciate the review. Definetly has a "different type of cool" vibe for me!

[@bapfreak]

Looks like an awesome pistol. The 22 Magnum RF is an interesting cartridge too. Too bad 22mag is as expensive as it is, but not really that bad for pistol ammo. I think this pistol would rock shooting at rotating metal plates.

[@Valorius]

A few corrections to video: SS190 AP round is LEGAL in most US states. You can buy it on gun broker. Elite makes several rounds that are civilian legal that will defeat a IIIA vest. FN SS192, 195, and 198 will defeat almost all level II and most level IIIA vests. I have tested all of this, on video. See my channel for videos.

[@mimixownzall]

The reason I prefer my PS90 over an AR-15 is weight, size, recoil, simplicity and reliability. I have never had my PS90 fail - ever. I also have radio-ulnar synostosis so changing mags in a PS90 is a lot easier. The 50 round mags are nice, too.

[@kscarter1825]

Finally another vid. Thanks for all your effort and such great vids, Nut'n.

[@RobertoTomas324]

That's actually part of the design of the pistol the shifting barrel is a mechanism in the semi auto system of the PMR. That is supposed to be part of what makes it so revolutionary.

[@BenB8290]

Gunbroker has them; keep in mind, because they are a hot commodity, you will be paying a considerable mark up on one. Roughly in the neighborhood of $500-$700 depending on the seller.

[@Bgheide]

I wouldn't even have known about this pistol without this video. Keep 'em comin', Nutn.

[@tyegunn]

dang, thanks for the detailed review...again. thought you were done but glad you aren't, keep it up we appreciate all the hard work!!

[@Excalibur01]

Always nice to see a new review

[@reeseman67]

MAN, already a new vid!! NUTNFANCY IS BACK IN ACTION!!!! And.... gotta call my gun shop and say YES, order me one if you can!!..... FDE if possible(love the Glock FDE's, had to get a few, prefer that color in last few years for my Tx area!). Everytime I hear Maxi-Mags, I think of....well, funny name!

[@TheGrue129]

Perfect timing on this review. My girlfriend and I are geological students. As a result We spend a lot of time out of doors. She wants a gun she can carry in the field to ward of critters. This may be a good option for her. If any of you guys hike a good bit and carry while doing so please let me know what you pack. Just so I have options on what to look at.

[@Patriot0205]

Good to see you back nutn! Thanks for the vid, hope all is well.

[@qjames0077]

I have researched and wanted this gun for a while, but I work as a range safety officer, and I've seen one of these BLOW UP. Not a hot load, CCI standard .22 Mag, a woman was firing it, one her first times shooting, and as a new round cycled it fired without a trigger pull and shattered the chamber. Hopefully THAT'S fixed too.