Kenny Loggins Just Called Out Garth Brooks

Kenny Loggins and Garth Brooks were involved in a very nasty feud. Kenny Loggins is now releasing more details surrounding that feud with Garth Brooks. The "Danger Zone" singer did not hold back when speaking about the fiery feud with Country music's mega star Garth Brooks.
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[@andysmith6156]

As a musician of 40 years, I can tell you many songs sound alike. Prince thought he had copied the melody to FAITHFULLY by Journey when he finished Purple Rain. He sent a copy to Journey and asked what they thought and they gave him a pass. It is very close......... But, Kenny said Garth admitted he used the idea, and after listening, yes, Garth should have admitted it, and moved on. For whatever reason, I've never bought into Garths overused humility, I don't think its genuine and I could be wrong but I read people well. I don't think hes authentic. Kenny is an artists artist, he is very underated as a singer and songwriter. Hes in a league of his own.

[@MyName-zd9pe]

Everything you said about Garth, I've said too. He's fake. Long dramatic pauses when he speaks, expecting people to hang on every word he says, like the wait is worth what he has to say, it must be so important. Just like Glenn Beck. Garth LOVES to talk about himself, he is his favorite subject. Lol! Kenny Loggins is a genius, his career/music shows it. Garth has help to put him on his pedestal. Garth and many others in country music are sell outs. Sirius radio advertising, "New generation of country music celebrating pride month." We need to stop supporting them.

[@MyName-zd9pe]

The fact that Garth showed yp to the courtroom with his guitar, just shows how bloated his ego is. He expected his "star power greatness" to wow the judge and courtroom. A man that can't admit to something is not a man.

[@sunnyangiebeenestork1899]

Listen to Stevie Wonder's "Part Time Lover" and Hall & Oates "Maneater", released first. To my ear (not a musician), they sound exactly the same. Wonder if Stevie said anything to Daryl & John before he released Part Time Lover? If anyone ever had a case for copying a song/melody, it's them.

[@luvsmikepiazza]

@@sunnyangiebeenestork1899 Sorry those two songs do not sound alike at all.

[@sunnyangiebeenestork1899]

@@luvsmikepiazza See to me they definitely do.

[@mommashawna707]

Wow I haven’t heard that name in a long time, Kenny Loggins. Those were the good years.

[@davebennett4087]

Check out Blue Sky Riders. Kenny Loggins, Georgia Middleman and Gary Burr. Great songs.

[@mommashawna707]

@@davebennett4087 I will thank you

[@oneflyinggirl]

Kenny Logins is great live!

[@douggauzy6258]

Garth Brooks sucks ! Never liked his gimmick . Im like Waylon Jennings who never liked Garth Brooks and Tim Wilson wrote a song “ What’s the big deal about Garth Brooks! He sucks !

[@theofficegoddess01]

Kenny logging did Danger Zone from Top Gun, along with many others.

[@donnaparrish7638]

I heard the resemblance between the two songs when I heard gb’s standing outside the fire for the first time but couldn’t put my finger on the song it sounded like. In fact, it bugged me so much that I spent one whole afternoon listening to a variety of music until I discovered it was Kenny Loggins’ “Conviction of the Heart”.

[@TomCruise60081]

Thanks for your continuous love and support Donna❤❤

[@TomCruise60081]

For how long have you been a fan of mine Donna??

[@8656737s]

I'm with Kenny 😉

[@garthbrooks1407]

Everything would be better if more people were like you🙌🙏✅Your perspective on life makes me want to live more thoughtfully😍🌸

[@TheCradM]

Shame on Kenny

[@erinbedard6374]

I love both Kenny Loggins and Garth Brooks both always will.

[@quicksite]

Once again, what does it matter that you love both. The issue is not about who's more likeable? And that Kenny has claimed he's more likeable, while Garth has claimed no it's me I'm the more charming and all-American country guy. It's about musicianship and authorship and stealing. Why can't any of you country people understand ethics and morals?

[@sherriebrand1771]

@@quicksite Oh, great. Once again, here YOU are playing lord, king, ruler of KZbin... Attempting to dictate how and what people can or should, OPINE (share?) opinions about in the (anyone can) COMMENT Section. It's becoming more and more difficult to tell the difference between your general YT trolls and just your basic, everyday bullies. What a delightful choice, eh?

[@liveandletdie7187]

Me too

[@liveandletdie7187]

I am not a country person but I love both Garth and Kenny loggins. I honestly think Garth is better only because he is the number 1 solo selling artist of all time. Now I think you should save that complaint in your head.

[@DonPutt]

In all honesty, they both suck.

[@jjshipwreck3945]

Just listened to Kenny’s song and while I hear some comparable bits, it’s not enough alike for me to feel like it was copied. I really like both artists a lot. I don’t see the similarities to the point I would say someone took someone’s song.

[@JackKincaid..]

I read an unauthorized book on Garth.. He's not the person most people think he is. But to stay in business, you have to put on that front.

[@deannagokey817]

Met him back in the early 90's. He was obnoxious and rude.

[@youtubesucks1499]

Of course.

[@jasongarver9967]

Johnny moon ... what's the name of the book

[@dannyburke5765]

He's a jagg off, always has been.

[@harrisongelles685]

Yup, and Loggins is a great guy from people I know that know him.

[@lauraroberts4081]

😱 OMG...they sound just alike.Maybe it wasn't Garth,maybe it was Chris Gaines who "copied"the song!!!

[@zuketroop1]

I'm very familiar with "Standing outside the Fire". I was not familiar with "Conviction of the Heart". I listened to it. I play guitar and write songs and have for over 40 years. I hear a similar tempo between the two, and likely many others, but I just don't hear any other similarities. The details the clip provides may all be true, but personally, one song doesn't remind me of the other.

[@nathanahubbard1975]

I don't play music at all, but my wife listens to Garth Brooks all the time. This is nearly the same song with different lyrics.

[@zuketroop1]

@@nathanahubbard1975 I listened to the Kenny Loggins song again. Similar tempo to each but the one song does not remind me of the other at all. That's only my opinion.

[@toddmchargue1322]

Tempo is DEFINITELY faster in the Garth Brooks song… It’s sounds more to me like there were some things in the Kenny Loggins song that Garth liked and used as building blocks but nowhere near 5 million dollars worth of building blocks. I honestly (as much as I like a lot of Kenny’s music) feel like Kenny is a bit of an arrogant prick. Not to say that Garth doesn’t have faults because everyone does but I saw Kenny on live from Darryl’s house and he just seemed like he thought he was above everyone else. Maybe he was just jealous because nobody cared about his song

[@TheBeggies95]

@@zuketroop1 I’m with you, it sounds the same in the beginning and thats it. I’m a musician

[@jamespeyton7312]

Grew up playing Loggins on the piano and love "Conviction of the Heart," but I don't hear enough similarities to say Brooks stole Loggins songs-just some similarities. Don't know much about Garth Brooks' music and was ready to go team Loggins immediately, but I don't hear plagiarism-just a few similarities.

[@jrt1776]

You can't be honest! the melody exactly the same. Garth came out with song 1 year after Kenny and Garth admitted he stole it...Not good at all

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@jrt1776 Where did Garth admit he stole the song?

[@goconnor0304]

I had never heard Kenny Loggins' song before, but yeah they sound the same with the exception of the bridge. I like the message of both songs.

[@garthbrooks1407]

Everything would be better if more people were like you🙌🙏✅Your perspective on life makes me want to live more thoughtfully😍🌸

[@merlynscave1821]

As a musician of over 40 years I can tell you there are a lot of songs that sound similar in not only tone but in the phrasing. Now Garth may have stated that he copied the "sound" of the song which could mean anything from cord structure to melody but that happens in all genre of music as well as theatrical performances. This is nothing new. listen to Bach or Beethoven you will find similarities in the musical phasings of both composers. Now don't get me wrong I grew up on Kenny Loggins and have even performed some of his music as well as Garth's music. I respect both artist and this became more than it ever should have.

[@susanunderwood4929]

Garth should have paid up after he admitted guilt. He didn't. Hence, the lawsuit.

[@alexng4]

every creative discipline that requires structure and arrangements will results in similar styles, notes, designs, etc from different artists. For example, there's only a finite variety of shapes , lines, form in designing a car. That eventually every car designers is going to lead to create something that has similar aspects to each other. Want to draw a pencil drawing, there's only so many ways you can draw a pencil artwork that eventually they'll be some similar features from different artists. I for one thing see nothing wrong with being inspired by someone else's and using some of it to create your own work.

[@SCfanIam100]

Garth admitted he copied their song. At that point he was obligated to pay them . Case closed.

[@bobstoops4864]

A lot of musicians of 40 years around here

[@07jjmusic]

Mmm no. Lost me at Bach and Beethoven.

[@ialone7487]

Listen, if Garth wants to be a true man, own up to it. Make amends, and be a respected man. I like both guys. Grew up on Mr. Loggins. Kenny has always been an amazing songwriter. Garth has always been an amazing performer. Garth is rich because of other people's songs. Kenny's rich off his own songs. Be a man Garth.

[@TravisBondRebelSoul]

that's not true. Garth writes and/or Co-writes most of his songs.

[@NavyVetJack]

With the co-wrote stuff, I don’t always believe it. You know “put me down as co-writer and I’ll record your song!” Some of that bullish*t happens.

[@gametroll6311]

@@NavyVetJack Then if you don't believe Garth wrote or co-wrote any of his songs, then the song being similar to or stolen from Kenny Loggins is not Garth's fault and is the song writer's fault.

[@gametroll6311]

As I replied to Jack, if Garth is rich because of other people's songs then there's nothing for him to own up to about copying Kenny Loggins. That would be on the person who wrote the song, no?

[@ialone7487]

@@gametroll6311 I personally couldn't imagine singing a song that was duplicated by someone else. I guess it's up to the conscious of the individual. But it's clear to me that this is definitely plagiarism.

[@lisamh9037]

I do know and remember that Kenny Loggins song. I was very into him at the time. Then Garth-type country started rolling in and I liked him a lot too - but honestly I never cared for Standing Outside the Fire. One of my least favorite GB songs, and it never hit me that they were alike. Kenny for the win! In all the ways.

[@carolrucker5016]

,settled in court both agreed so let it go. Sound more like revenge. Both are great songs.

[@JMAG710]

I just listened to both songs. There's a definite similarity. It's disappointing to see that Garth, even after admitting he copied the song, didn't give credit where it was due, but the case is settled so there's nothing to be done, nothing to be gained, and nothing to pursue.

[@danielabilez3619]

That and being a wife beater. Maybe he will sell woman's shoes like Santana

[@big_fat_hen]

Check out Aint goin down til the sun comes up and Get out of Denver by Bob Seeger.

[@quicksite]

@@big_fat_hen is that another Garth lift? I wouldn't know, I've never cared for his music so it's not on the tip of my tongue.

[@danaadkerson2679]

The version of Standing Outside the Fire I just listened to, comments have been turned off! Garth has never been able to take the heat!! I love Kenny!

[@GarageDoorRepairTX]

Typical Garth. He is and has always been a fraud

[@avlisk]

If Randy California got nothing, but George Harrison had to pay, I'd say it's a rather random decision based on the phase of the moon and which side of the bed the judge woke up on that morning.

[@sandymcclay9739]

I have been a hard core Kenny fan for a long time....made a comment about this first time I heard Garths song!

[@c.k.185]

The Judge taking them back in chambers, and coming out shortly afterwards with a settlement says everything about Garth Brooks guilt. That Judge advised Brooks that taking this case any further will result in much more than a $5 million verdict.

[@shawnglass108]

Probably would cost more than that with lawyer fees and Garth’s loss of time. The verdict wouldn’t have been for more than was being asked. Regardless, you’re right about the guilt. Garth knew he was guilty and paid up.

[@c.k.185]

@@sonofman1300 Dude… trying to be nice here, but your boy, Garth… he’s a douche. Just ask his buddy Chris Gaines 😂😂😂

[@shawnglass108]

@@sonofman1300, Garth did not play. Garth paid Loggins an undisclosed amount of money to settle. Garth admitted to this. Don’t You think you should try to inform yourself before commenting?

[@shawnglass108]

@@sonofman1300, Garth Brooks said “Sometimes. you just have to pay to get people off your back.”..He paid up for stealing the song

[@shawnglass108]

..Brooks' guitar didn't end up being necessary. The judge called Thomas and Brooks into his chambers, and "when they emerged, Garth was ready to settle,".The agreement meant that the amount of money involved couldn't be shared, although Garth had to admit to settling the suit. Afterward, he publicly said , “Sometimes. you just have to pay to get people off your back.”

[@texascreekcowboy1587]

just listened. I hear the similarities, so I'll put it down as inspiration for Standing outside the fire

[@stevegonsolin1990]

Listened to both songs and read the lyrics. Sure there is a similar pattern to the song but very different. Personally I like the song Standing Outside the Fire. It has a strong passion and upbeat strength. Loggins song is good too however I gravitate toward country music so I may be biased. Loggins needs to move forward since the past is the past and can't be changed. Especially since it was settled.

[@melyssap477]

Thank you!! Common sense is hard to find. I listened to both songs and there’s a little similarity but I think that’s true about a lot of music, jmo. I love Standing Outside the Fire and I think it’s different enough for them to let it go. Life is too short

[@ronvaughan8041]

Garth has always been kind of a weird dude, and I never really saw him as the gift to country music that everyone thought he was. I'd take him over the crap they are pumping out today but haven't listened to him in years.

[@DonPutt]

Brooks has always been an overrated and overplayed elitist shill for the liberal establishment....f--- him!

[@twilde3754]

Interesting. Yes, they do have similar tempo and breaks. I don't think I've ever listed to much Garth Brooks, but I really liked the song. Kenny Loggins -- will always like his music.

[@JanettaB.]

Kenny Loggins is an Icon.....

[@theMick52]

Was

[@connie5663]

Well yes they sound alike. And yes Garth knew it by sounds of it. Character is a lot to a person. And I believe it shows Garth’s.

[@quicksite]

Spoken just like a Trump lover. Garth character equals Garth Christian, Garth Christian equals proud American. Proud American equal Chevy truck. Chevy truck equals Garth.

[@connie5663]

@@quicksite yeah I see you forget or wasn’t born when Chevrolet took the buy outs from our government. Ford only dealership that didn’t take government help. Your just running your soup cooler blah blah

[@sharonrobinson9140]

I prefer not saying anything negative towards either of them, nor anyone else for that matter.. I personally didn’t lose a dime and would rather just enjoy the songs each sang that I like, and they’ve both had hits I don’t care to listen to! Negativity is ugly to the bone!

[@johnryan1798]

Music always inspires more music

[@quicksite]

Oh I know! And all I have to do is claim i was inspired by that and that should be that because you know copyright law, that's for losers, we all just know that intuitively. And besides, it's Garth, he's one of us.

[@kyliepollert8341]

I never knew this. I listened to Kenny's song, and while both have similar intros, they are completely different songs. I'd think Kenny would be one of Garth's many influences; it's surprising he's never covered "Danny's Song" live, or on his "Blame It All on My Roots" box set that came out nearly 10 years ago. I prefer "Standing Outside the Fire"; I know a lot of people have connected with that song, because of its inspirational message of overcoming obstacles and determination, as well as its music video.

[@quicksite]

This is not about preferring, person. It's about lifting. Jesus what is wrong with your brains. We get it you love your little Garth, and he can do no wrong with his country righteousness and Christianity wholesome values. We get why you want to default to Garth, But it's not about what you prefer. It's about who stole what if at all. In this case it's very clear Garth stole it all.

[@kenholmes2914]

@@quicksite why? where you there?

[@hazelwears8728]

Garth should've added a non disclosure clause to the settlement! Rehashing this afterwards is pure nonsense! These men got paid; LET IT GO! I CAN'T STAND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KEEP SHIT STIRRED!

[@dogzebra2708]

Pay back is a bitch.

[@hazelwears8728]

@@dogzebra2708 Trust, he made more money than what he paid out! So,pay back isn't THAT BIG OF A "BITCH"!

[@ericpetersen4254]

Well if Garth added a non disclosure, wouldn't he have screwed himself, since he said "sometimes you just have to pay to get people off your back" after the settlement?

[@hazelwears8728]

@@ericpetersen4254 had he added it,he wouldn't have been able to make that comment. You're right tho!

[@quicksite]

Oh Hazel I know exactly what you mean! It's like these damn Democrats who want to keep stirring up January 6th where nothing actually happened there was just a tour going on inside the capital and what's the big deal but it's over a year and a half later in these Democrats are still stirring up shit when the country has moved on and we all know that Trump actually won and that trying to bring some of these people to justice is just a travesty that the Democrats are waging on America, excuse me I mean to say good-hearted Americans, good loving flag waving Americans, American to believe in democracy and who don't like the Soviet Union or the Russians... Oh wait, sorry Hazel I seem to be really messing up my argument here. But you're right how terrible to have these kinds of things going on where some people don't let a good thing die.

[@kathleenfrancis1872]

The Only Memoire should be The Holy Bible.. with this 🙏

[@bobpalumbo3781]

Yes, as a lifelong songwriter and recording artist myself, I listened to both songs again...and I definitely hear the similarities...and the opening lines of the verses are almost identical "melodically." But there are very clear rules regarding "copyright infringement" on the songs of others. There has to be (if I remember correctly) "eight bars of identical melody and words" to reach the level of copyright infringement. I have no doubt that Garth (intentionally or unintentionally) was influenced by Kenny's song....but IMO...not enough to call it "copyright infringement." Listen, there have been a number of times I have written a song...and the. a day or two later said, "Wait a minute, I think that melody came from another song." It happens. But no...I think Garth could have fought it further and won....but he decided to settle...and that is good on his part....IMO

[@roseannamanues2111]

Unlike the song that Puff Daddy did Missing you. It had so many similarities to The Police I'll Be Watching You. I got into one of my foster sisters over the song.

[@countessratzass5408]

Songs can sit in the zeitgeist. Sometimes you grab them and they’re there for you so you’re not quite sure how that happened. Trust your instincts.

[@treed5679]

I agree with you Bob, very well said.

[@yourekillingmesmalls6034]

I agree...love garth and love kenny...I had never heard the Kenny loggin's song and have always loved garths "standing outside the fire"...I think it would be unreasonable to think that a lot of songs end up having certain melodies that resonate with music lovers, singers, song writers. I've often heard songs for the 1st time and I have picked up on the lyrics rather quickly, within the first time hearing it, and thought it's like this song has always existed. I've seen Garth Brooks twice 25 years apart and have said and will stand by, and I've seen many concerts live, that they are the best concerts I've ever seen.

[@galehess6676]

@@yourekillingmesmalls6034 I was there for "Friends" live recording in his prime on the 7th night in a row in Wichita when I won tix in college. In Philly 20 years later, it was a very much subdued and less powerful Garth and I wished I'd done something else that evening. Go see Stapleton now, he's peaking for a few years here. Front row last week, better musician and vocalist than Garth, by far. Less energy but better concert, hands down.

[@Real-Americans-For-Trump-2024]

Just listened to both of the songs. The only thing I hear resembling each other is (maybe) the tone. I love Kenny’s music, but I think at that time Kenny must have been jealous of how big Garth was and was afraid that Garth’s song was a much better song. In my view, there shouldn’t have even been a law suit filed. Both songs have totally different lyrics and both songs are great. Garth’s Standing outside the Fire is a hell of a song though. With millions and millions of song out there, I’m sure there’s gonna be lots that resemble one another. There’s no getting around it.

[@quicksite]

There's no way you've ever even listened to conviction of the heart. It's just a fact. Why lie about it?

[@stevef7814]

I will never understand GB's success.

[@kylebroflovski3312]

Dude has sold more records than everybody but the Beatles. Ya might be in the minority here.

[@stevef7814]

@@kylebroflovski3312 Taylor Swift as well. You're in good company.

[@kylebroflovski3312]

@OBEY You just described basically every artist ever. Whatevs.....

[@kylebroflovski3312]

@@stevef7814 Point is, he has been successful. Not to burst your little bubble, but just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't good. Out of curiosity, what do you listen to? Other than Luke Bryan I mean.

[@TortugaTutt]

I loved the Garth Brooks song. I never knew about Loggins song till today. After listening to both, it's obivious that Brooks copied it.

[@EphemeralProductions]

you can see the Italian in Kenny's face in that book picture. :) Love kenny he is awesome! hope he and Garth get over their "hiss" between them.

[@DADSGETNDOWN]

At some point, there are so many songs, that there are and will definitely be songs that sound the same, and even have the same lyrics. There are many right now.

[@kenkowaluk2225]

It happens and if it was settled let it go! Bitterness is bad!

[@CountryStrong2309]

Agree

[@dangroce82]

Evidently Brooks didn't hold up his end of the deal. In fact, the comment about paying to get him off his back makes it sound like it was not a valid lawsuit and Brooks just paid him to make it go away, which is not the case. Loggins could actually push the matter and claim damages, I'm sure. Brooks should have just been cool about it to begin with. Your right - it happens, I wrote a song one night after I left the bar and the first time I played it for someone they pointed out it sounded like a Kenny Rogers song. I realized that song was playing on the jukebox at the bar that night. I hadn't realized it and the lyrics are nothing like his song but I definitely admit my mishap. Brooks could always end it by making a statement admitting his bad judgment and apologize. It sounds as though Loggins isn't pushing the matter, he is just stating what happened. Why should he avoid the subject just to make brooks feel better?

[@quicksite]

@Ken Oh it's so clear another trumpist. If Kenny had stolen from Garth, you better believe there would not be a scent of bygones be bygones. What is wrong with you people without any sense of morality or any North Star of what's right and wrong? You want to use your flowery language to dismiss anything that bothers you cognitively.

[@quicksite]

@@dangroce82 thank you. You've laid it out exactly right. It's about an artist's integrity. Kenny's not looking to stiff him monetarily. He's just never been satisfied with sweeping it under the carpet as though there's been no ill intent. It's very sad what stardom does to people. It's like holding down the proverbial beach ball underwater... Takes a lot of cubic strength to hold that lie underwater. Just let it pop up and be released of what you did Garth. That's all Kenny wants. He wants his artistic integrity and it's really up to Garth to keep putting pounds of pressure on evasion, or he's got a great opportunity to come clean and clean his soul as well

[@dalespencer8694]

As much as Garth Brooks bugs me, sometimes songs sound alike, even when not intentional. I mean every time I hear a Jim Steinman Song, I know its his. But I guess Garth did admit it, and he should have just paid up to begin with.

[@seanscanlon9067]

Did he admit it though or is that just Kenny's interpretation of something Garth might have said? If for example on later hearing Kenny's song Garth admitted they sounded alike, is that the same as admitting he copied it?......Can you even copy something that you might not be aware already exists?

[@debramilles323]

So true on that

[@terribleTed-ln6cm]

conviction of the heart

[@arts2725]

Loggins is selling a book. Of course, this would be in it. Song has similarities but in my opinion they are different enough.

[@distantkc]

Always loved you on Seinfeld. Did they take your name and use it on the show?

[@erinbedard6374]

Garth brooks recorded the Similar song to Kenny Loggins big Deal. They are both great songs by them let it go.

[@quicksite]

Please just confirm for me that you're a conservative and a trumpist. Because only such a person would allow this kind of logic to prevail on their lives. Actually don't bother it's really very clear. But heaven forbid if Garth were writing about Kenny stealing something of his. Oh you better believe you'd be on it like a dog to a bone till the end of time. Zero ethics, zero integrity, how do you people raise children with your variable morality?

[@damondenis9406]

Yeah, Garth probably used Kenny's song as an outline for his. But when I heard Garths I immediately heard "Shut Up & Dance With Me" Michael Jackson straight out told Darryl Hall that he stole the beat of "I Can't Go For That" & used it for "Billy Jean" one of the most famous song's of modern day, that helped THRILLER become the highest selling Album of all time! Darryl Hall was honored that his music helped bring about more quality music. What if Garths song Bombed? I guess if you want to sue, you have every right but always remember there are only 12 notes in music so that's why at times you will hear a song that sounds so familiar or one that sounds like another. I guessing that this was really about respect more than the song. Kenny was the O.G. & Garth didn't respect that.

[@redwave198]

OK, just listened to "Conviction of the Heart" and OH YEA, sound is strikingly similar.

[@StaceyBeryl]

I am not crazy about Brooks at all and I am an avid country fan. Once he did his "alter ego", I knew he was a nut. That being said, the songs sound a lot alike. If Brooks admitted his fault... enough said.

[@babybird64]

I'm a fan of both and I'm going to have to say that they are two different song's, they are not even close to being the same. Love both songs but I have a closer connection with "Standing Outside the Fire," it hits close to home.

[@patriciamiller5838]

I agree 💯, they are not similar and it's hard to believe that it went to court and Garth had to settle.

[@quicksite]

Right, I know, and this is all about what hits home for you personally with the lyrics and has nothing to do with authorship or stealing intellectual property and pretending it's your own. And btw when I say "I'm a fan of both" it's like how when trumpists say he won the election and then other people say he didn't win the election, it's all about what's in your heart and how Pence is a big fat traitor who messed everything up, right! And how we gotta have assault rifles because the 2nd Amendment and how we gotta kill off Roe v Wade because we gotta make decent people outa those liberals who go f-ing around and using protection which is against our Lord's views and those of the church, and if a woman is raped she's just gonna have to do what God laid out for her in his plan and carry the baby to term see because Garth's message really resonates with you as it resonates for me too, and Garth should decide who keeps and who gives up their chillrens because he is a God-fearing American with a gee-tar and he has values whereas those democrats are only trying to cause problems by draggin on out that whole Sept 6 thing where we ere just givin tours in the capital and people are trying to just drag that into something it isn't. Thanks Babybird, i feel better now knowin all your facts!

[@bullrider5002000]

@@patriciamiller5838 not even the chorus melody sounds garth song and by the way garth sings in every concert and kenny hardly ever sings it he was just a ripoff

[@jgy1958]

Thanks for the clip. I just read Kenny Loggins’ nine year old book. So maybe I’m late to the dance here. Thought l would weigh in Garth Brooks is an icon; however, I grew up listening to Loggins and Messina. They’re one of my favorites as well as Kenny Loggins solo. So I have a bias here. As someone commented on this thread: “Songs will eventually have similarities since ALL music is composed of ONLY eight basic notes!” I believe songs are sometimes inadvertently plagiarized and sometimes it’s deliberate. According to Loggins, Brooks admitted that he copied the song. If that story is true Garth should have handled it differently. At the least discuss it with the songwriters (as other artists have done) before it’s release. I’m not sure what Kenny’s true gripe was/is. Would he have wanted compensation if Brooks would have discussed it before its release? Was it Brooks’ attitude that he felt compelled to sue him and much later tell the story? I do have to admit after reading the story in Loggins book it lowers my impression of Garth Brooks.

[@katshotz6033]

That is a long time !

[@garthbrooks1407]

Everything would be better if more people were like you🙌🙏✅Your perspective on life makes me want to live more thoughtfully😍🌸

[@crazyfun5150]

I listened to a little bit of Conviction of the heart and while it sounds similar it isn't identical. I swear these musicians are very entitled. There's only so many notes and keys when using instruments and singing. If there was a lawsuit everytime one sounded similar these courts would be flooded with copyright infringement cases. Some music is a direct ripoff as Ice Ice Baby sounded beat wise identical to Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie. That I could understand. But in this case I think it's Kenny Loggins trying to get some of Garth's spotlight to stay relevant. Especially using the attention to sell his memoirs.

[@stevenkalavity9879]

I liked the movie "Leap of Faith" on several levels including its music soundtrack. I was always more a Garth Brooks fan than Kenny Loggins. I listened to both songs just now. I like both songs, of course. You cannot separate the presentation from the value of a song. What if Garth sang "Conviction of the Heart" and Kenny sang "Standing Outside the Fire"? I probably would prefer Garth's version. I do understand that fans of Loggins likely feel opposite. If there was an accepted settlement for $5 million, I am not sure what this is all about in 2022? Garth was probably more of a super star when the dispute was settled too.

[@terricavoli7997]

It’s not about feelings it’s about ownership and facts. Kenny Loggins is the owner

[@peterkinberger9741]

Theŕe is a place in a dimension of creativity wherein similiarities exist , sometimes they are nearly identical and many artists draw from that realm. It is an inexplicable realm wherein things may seemed copied but are not. Many have seemingly copied me in my arts and when confronted they have no other answer than great minds often think alike. Often times we draw from the same emotions, ideas and inspirations and have no way of explaining it. Someone may look just like Michael Jackson physically, emotionally or spiritually, why should Michael sue such a person ? The answer is often one of jealousy or envy or even greed. It has been said that there is no greater compliment than one imitating or copying another. In the Garth Brooks case, who truly knows, in light of these things ? There is a myriad of other reasons people sue, maybe they need the money, album sales have plummeted down or any other number of things. I am thankful that both of these great artists settled out of court and I hope that peace is made between them. I do not consider one greater than the other and frankly, dont care . We all need to stay away from animosity or triggers of unfriendliness. We all need to simply love each other and the world these singer/ musicians sing about will be a far better place in which to dwell !

[@mythhead2688]

“We are concerned that _______ may be replicating the experience for which _______ is known for.”

[@markosborne2663]

Kenny Freakin Loggins keeping it high and tight!!!

[@BrentMFisher]

I would like to create a third similar song just to..............Stir the musical plot. I call it......... "Logs in a Brook on fire". I never liked how Garth Brooks cheated on his wife and left her and the kids for Trisha Yearwood. I hope Sandy and the kids are happy now ~ kimie

[@juckimal]

wow. The beat is similar but not even close and I love them both.

[@quicksite]

Thanks for the paradigm: RIDICULOUS! Slight area similarity. Totally Different. I love both. And I have zero clue as to what the actual issue is, so why are we wasting time here. There must have been a memo issued by Fox News or a text alert with those 4 Talking Bullets. Y'all are so far ahead of the curve!

[@davidelam7869]

I find it funny everyone talks about stealing music...You do know that most country songs are the same 3 or 4 cords....It did sound similar however I believe that it is a slippery slope as many songs sound alike as artists are limited in a way to how many sounds sell I think there is a reason a lot of popular music sounds alike is due to the marketing to the masses any way my 2 cents that is worthless anyway lol

[@ebenclukey7293]

From what I've witnessed, Kenny is seriously about himself.

[@NKdidit.24]

You know him personally?

[@quicksite]

And thus I have rendered my opinion about theft of intellectual property by just that, and see Garth is a good guy, maybe a little overweight and sweaty but a good HONEST guy not like some lib trying to just grab money wherever he can. Kenny should get baptized and follow the Lord's plan steada always trying to shake down our country hero folk who make Chevy truck commercials about lovin America. And that's just the way it is.

[@travishendrix5314]

Yeah, for sure took the riffs and melody. I do not want to be disparaging to others. But if you do not hear it. You're deaf. Garth almost got one by the goalie. Artist should get paid.

[@mr.smithgnrsmith7808]

Come on now Garth

[@robertglancy4474]

I had never heard the Kenny Loggins song and hadn't heard the Garth Brooks song in awhile so really couldn't remember how it went. So I listened to the Kenny Loggins version first and I was "oh I know the Garth Brooks song now"....so, yeah the words are different of course but the music and melody are all very, very close to I would say warrant legal action.

[@crodriguez2360]

Same here never heard the Loggins song till a few minutes ago and those 2 songs sound very similar.

[@Creeker1105]

Garth stole the song its very clear either way I like both !

[@michaeldavis2585]

Thats not the only song he took folks i know this to be fact my friend which has hits told me that ,fact truth finally truth for once

[@zackamania6534]

Brooks entered the DANGER ZONE and lived to tell.

[@arthurbrumagem3844]

This seems to be very common in the music industry. Certainly not the first time there are songs very similar or the same sung by other artists which are successful.

[@LavaMan60]

The Kenny Loggins original is FAR better in EVERY way, lyrically, the arrangement, the dynamics and the message. After listening to both, Garth clearly copied it, and did it injustice. Glad Kenny got some money.

[@autumnstewart8287]

You have got to be kidding me. They aren't the same song...not even close. One is an energetic country song and the other is an easy listening balad.

[@d.lhenderson5522]

@ Mark Stoddard clearly u are high!! Which version was a hit? Which version do people STILL SING ALONG WITH IN SOLD OUT STADIUM SHOWS 30 years later!! Not Loggins version. Someone is extremely jealous of someone, let you figure it out

[@wvgirl5000]

You must have better hearing than I do because I have trouble understanding the words in Kenny Loggins song. I had to look up the lyrics. His range is high then low back to high again. Not usually his style. Yes, the music is similar but that's all and I love both singers but, Garth is clearly the winner. IMO.

[@harrisongelles685]

@@d.lhenderson5522 conviction of the heart was a better song and it was a hit. It was always on the radio when it came out.

[@dannywestbrook5036]

People need to be a part of the solution instead of the problem. World has enough negativity in it so why add to it

[@marybarrett47]

love country music, never been a garth fan - fakes being humble - heard him sing Christmas song, really good voice

[@Plainview-tu7xn]

Garth had a lot going for him. But I dunno... He always kind of rubbed me the wrong way somehow.

[@TomCruise60081]

Thanks for your continuous love and support Mary❤❤

[@TomCruise60081]

For how long have you been a fan of mine Mary??

[@keymaster430]

I can definitely tell a similarity in both. The start of the song with the quick, choppy guitar strumming especially.

[@Head-ck4hu]

Close. But in my opinion, no cigar.

[@chuckwagon5518]

I think "Standing Outside the Fire" is a much better song. It sounds similar to Loggin's song, but to me they're different songs.

[@terrell9457]

Both songs are absolutely horrendous.

[@quicksite]

With a name like Chuck wagon I think we see where your prejudices lie

[@kaleoy7584]

One can also argue Loggins' "Return to Pooh Corner" melody and lyrics are so similar to Heart's "Dog and Butterfly", Heart could have sue Loggins for it. Heart came out with their song a little more than a year before Loggins came out with his song. Go and listen to both songs to see what I mean.

[@erniemorvay1406]

Check your facts! Loggins and Messina released Pooh corner in 1971. Heart released Dog and Butterfly in 1978.

[@goldiegirl4200]

I just listened to both of them, I do like them both. I do love Kenny Logging's music I do like Garth's version more. The only reason this is coming up again is because Kenny wrote about in his book. I would hope he got permission from Garth to write about what happened. The judge said what each had to do, Kenny bringing it up again he is trying to gain the notoriety of the book and upsell himself so everyone reads the book. It should have stayed in the past a stunning gone, now Kenny wants to bring it up and out in the open, that sure sounds like a vendetta to me. Not what you entertainers should do or discuss in public or even bring back up after it was dropped so many years ago. It is sad that Kenny is doing that and I've lost a little respect I used to love his music. Best of luck to both of them.

[@shad0w.w0lf15]

To each their own. I lost a little respect for Garth again after watching this.

[@TomCruise60081]

Thanks for your continuous love and support Goldiegirl❤❤

[@TomCruise60081]

For how long have you been a fan of mine goldiegirl??

[@fireprogram]

The music industry has a long history across every genre of some kind of infringement, or copying. 1993 was not any different than say,….. 1963, 1953, 1943, etc. Both parties settled (paying cash) and moved on. What is just plain dumb and ridiculous is bring up old news that really doesn’t make news, rather, white noise. Show me a clear cut case of ripping off an “artist” and then, I could give a damn. I like Kenny Loggins and Garth Brooks music. No big deal.

[@d.lhenderson5522]

@fireprogram well said 30 years ago seems like Loggins May some jealousy of Garth which song was bigger? Garths version

[@dentond4913]

This is just a marketing stunt to help promote his new book

[@terri-lynnbrawley6302]

EXACTLY what I thought too!

[@quicksite]

I know right? It's like these Democrats on Capitol Hill with their little January 6th stunt. It's all marketing in all because they can't accept that Trump won. See that's the whole issue when people try to negate any form of legal responsibility. We get a country like we have right now, devoid of any ethical value. But sure keep sounding off. It can't possibly be that Kenny loggins is an artist who values his songmanship, and he's writing a bio for sure because he wants to and has the right to, just as if Tucker Carlson wants to write a book. I certainly don't argue with that, he's already written a bunch. But how pathetic that just because you hate the guy loggins, cuz he's a liberal, you cannot possibly imagine that he wants to set the record straight regarding something he authored. You think everything in life is measured by money, but for some people who are artists they actually care about the truth of what happened. But that's just causing trouble in your book, and that's only there to gin up the marketing machine, yeah I get it makes perfect sense to me thank you for solving this dilemma.

[@AkitaSue]

Now that I know logins is using this to do two things, one to trash Garth Brooks and two to promote his book, I will be telling all of my friends not to bother buying his book. If you write a book, you should be popular by your own merit, not by putting someone else down. Especially, when the issue has been resolved already. Why bring it up and stir things up again? I think a lot of stars do that when they are losing their popularity and they are becoming has-beens. It’s unfortunate because they would do much better to stay on the positive side of things and staying on the good side of things instead of dredging up all the issues and hurts. How do you continue to respect someone who doesn’t show respect to others? I know this is just my opinion. We are all free to have one.

[@tanyaburnsweldon8065]

i was a fan of both songs when they were released, the Garth song became an anthem & i didn't notice it sounding familiar. i have a good ear & a prolific music history knowledge, but at the time i was a young mom and not paying attention... though i love Garth the song is obviously the same 😭 not THE SAME but Garth should make this better

[@garthbrooks1407]

Everything would be better if more people were like you🙌🙏✅Your perspective on life makes me want to live more thoughtfully😍🌸

[@AshlandMan]

Even Kenny Logins think the families deserve closure! Please think of them, G. That's where it spits.

[@dianekipper9245]

Very disappointing. I’m glad Garth settled. It was the right thing to do. Conviction of the Heart was always one of my favorite songs. I’ve seen Kenny live several times and he is still my favorite artist.

[@akoww1000]

He didn't settle by choice, he was forced to or he would look bad in the media, then right after he signed and paid up he went to the media and said he only settled to get them off his back. He told a reporter he didn't rip off Loggins song , just it was cheaper to settle

[@EricRyanSound]

This is NOT a lyrics issue, this is a melody issue! I can play literally 60 songs back to back with THE EXACT SAME PROGRESSION and MELODY. It happens all the time. It is what it is. The song lyrics and story-lines are polar opposites. The only similarity is the build and progression. When your as big as GB people will ALWAYS come out of the wood work.

[@publikenemi49]

There are certainly similarities after comparing , but if I never learned of this controversy, I would have never really noticed

[@johnsears4197]

And it doesn't surprise me that Brooks would be shadowing Loggins go listen to Danny's Song tells you everything you need to know about Kenny's song writing

[@himonwillard5088]

I believe it's jealousy, Kenny Loggins was never as popular as Garth Brooks.

[@andysmith6156]

UH, Don't think so. Kenny has written more #1 songs and done more as an artist, singer, than Garth could ever do. Kenny is one of the best singers to ever come along and I say this unbiased to both. Kennys songs are very complicated, yet simple enough for the common man which leads to huge sales and hits. I'm a full time musician of last 40 years. I would beg you to Ask any musician, full time professional, and 100 out of 100 will tell you Kenny is a singers singer with VOCAL RANGE FEW CAN COME CLOSE TO, AND HIS GUITAR PLAYING IS ALSO NEXT LEVEL. I say this because even though Garth is an incredible artist and writer, its not even close. Kenny is head and shoulders above most artists of the last 40 years. There are tons of guys who can sing and play like Garth, not many who can sing and play like Kenny, and again I'm a fan of both. I would also say that Kenny has had more hits over a longer time span and is almost if not more popular than Garth. Garth came along with a marketing push that featured Dwight Yoakum, RANDY TRAVIS, and 1 or 2 others I cant recall at the moment.

[@himonwillard5088]

@@andysmith6156 who sold more albums?

[@TheKatherine1958]

Love them both. 2 different songs IMO. LET IT GO. This was years a go! Smh

[@quicksite]

SMH they are not even close what do they have after Garth! He's a good American and nashville and all vs Loggins and liberal and californication and SMH!!

[@JackKincaid..]

@@quicksite Hip Hip Hooray!!!!!

[@shereemoskow]

They do sound alike. I love both songs.

[@matthewhagner7803]

The fact that Garth showed up to sing it and prove his point tells me it wasn’t intentional. In music this happens often and terribly unavoidable more often than not. Garths song has gone on to inspire and help millions with disabilities. Kenny should feel pride knowing he inspired the art that helped people around the world.

[@quicksite]

Oh then that settles it. Garth stole but Garth do good so Garth good and Kenny shut up

[@JJG86]

Liberal alert

[@judycocke2031]

Garth ADMITTED he copied the song. It was intentional.

[@maggieahrens6972]

No, it just proved just how arrogant he really is. He knew he copied it and admitted to it. Arrogance is Garth Brooks.

[@BloodySoup74]

@@maggieahrens6972 Just because Kenny said Garth copied it doesn't make it true. Why didn't the judge just order the 5 million then?

[@raidercam567]

Went back and listened to Kenny. I see what he's saying at least with the overall structure of the song but to take the time to go to court over it is a bit petty imo. Artists borrow from others all the time and there are definitely worse rip-offs out

[@raidercam567]

Out there*🤷🏻‍♂️

[@robynidyllwild6755]

Stealing is wrong no matter what!!

[@raidercam567]

@@robynidyllwild6755 every musician, writer or artist you like or enjoy has “stolen” something. So I guess they’re all wrong, too

[@jeromedavid7944]

@@raidercam567 Covers and hooks are one thing but taking a unique melody that was released years earlier and then misconstruing the lyrics to call it your own.....maybe stretching it a bit just saying.....

[@helengracevaldez-hu6rj]

I really like Kenny loggins, hes voice and all songs

[@lyndamcmullen5506]

❤

[@juliejones719]

Omg! Same song!? It sounds identical? Kenny’s is by far the BEST!! 🥰

[@TomCruise60081]

Thanks for your continuous love and support Julie ❤❤

[@TomCruise60081]

For how long have you been a fan of mine Julie??

[@kayceehaney-cennamo7302]

The song isn't even close to the same. A lot of songs sometimes sound close. Standing outside the fire is a whole lot better.

[@jeffm7020]

are you shitting me

[@westtrindy9176]

I cannot hear it. But, I have heard several songs that sound like another. I wouldn’t have paid him over this, and if he printed something about it, I hope he retained legal council first.

[@margotbw4660]

To me the energy is the same but the songs' sentiments and phrasing were completely different.

[@pcl8993]

Pretty damn close! I think if this went to trial Garth would have lost and I think he knew this.

[@seanswinton6242]

Kenny Loggins song predates Garth's. Garth not wanting to share royalties for a song he may have accidently copied is pathetic. Their both rich and Kenny's been doing this for decades longer with great success. As we speak, Kenny has money rolling on from Maverick: Top Gun.

[@pegd8941]

Just listen to Kenny song and sure enough Garth ripped him off

[@quicksite]

Oh excuse me, just above i made the incorrect statement that it seemed to be just women who can't hear any similarity at all and who love their pudgy Garth enough to lie outright. So I'm wrong and thank you for restoring faith in women, who far and wide typically have better judgments and are fairer arbiters of fact than men. Yay.

[@honkerh8r564]

I'm not any kind of a trained musician, but I've never heard of Conviction of the Heart before this video. I listened to it and it sounds like the same song. I think breaking down the songs and pointing out an extra bass line or an extra chord here and there is like Vanilla Ice saying the extra hi hat in the beat made it totally different from Under Pressure.

[@midwesternoutdoorsandnatur8272]

New Kenny Loggins fan here…

[@andrewatwill6856]

Loggins has his own sound and way of doing things. His dynamics are part of his sound and in his writing structure. There are subtle differences between the two tunes, tempo, chord structure slightly differs, Loggins has the third in the bass note on one chord and more... That said, Garth Brooks sounds more like Loggins than Garth Brooks in that song. The way the tune is structured dynamically and rhythmically there are similarities, even melodically in places. If Garth sounded more like Garth and it was dynamically more dissimilar, then it is likely nobody would have picked up on it.

[@billysnipesmarketing9565]

Very good way of observing this:)

[@toddbartels2866]

Garth was the sole reason for true Country Music's demise!!!!!!!!!!

[@wnerko7484]

Yep .he WAS good.but he inspired a ton a neutered down cuntry acts that led to where it's at now.they saw the boy bands and rappers getting female attention and that's the direction they wanted to go

[@billlafontaine3808]

Garth Brooks is a joke.

[@burningdownthehouse365]

"Garth Brooks did for country music what pantyhose did for finger fucking" quote by Waylon Jennings.

[@kittykatmt]

Is it just me or everyone picks a fight with Garth, but never vice versa?

[@TheMidnightModder]

Guy Thomas reminds me of Randy Marsh from South Park when he learned that other people were home-growing weed. He was so arrogant that he yelled at all of his friends accusing them of stealing his idea xD Here's the deal, a lot of music sounds the same. It always has, it always will.

[@dibslin2.081]

Wouldn't surprise me that Garth plagiarized. Garth stole his entire act from Chris LeDoux.

[@hazelwears8728]

WHO? That said, the guy you referenced must not have been very big in country music!

[@dibslin2.081]

@@hazelwears8728 Big enough for Garth freaking Brooks to steal his entire act, I'd say that's pretty fucking big.

[@Hawgwild97]

Justin Moore said the same exact thing on his podcast he talks shit on Garth here and there & I love it 🤣 Hank Jr will always be my favorite singer. Like Hank said, Garth cut his teeth on whiskey bent and hell bound. He definitely stole LeDoux’s career. Waylon went to the grave saying Garth was the luckiest son of a bitch he’s ever seen. He went to the university of Arkansas acting like he was from there and a hog fan. The next night went to LSU and forgot all about Arkansas. I just see him as a fake & a Democratic puppet. Hank, Justin Moore, BG, all these new coming independents who are bringing back 90’s country music will always be better than Garth.

[@rodneyheintzelman9378]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@melissacrawford3590]

@@hazelwears8728 chris died