One of The Biggest Days in Racing History: Michael Jordan & Denny Hamlin Are Suing NASCAR

Kenny Wallace discusses 23XI Racing owned by Michael Jordan & Denny Hamlin & also Front Row Motorsports filing an antitrust lawsuit against NASCAR.
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[@Zdp433]

The fact that Nascar put a no suing for an anti- trust clause in their contract tells you everything. Nascar knows they would lose an anti-trust case.

[@beanpot]

Not just anti-trust, its all legal action against NASCAR

[@MrUltraworld]

NASCAR knows they are in the wrong. I say NASCAR's lawyers get involved and try to head off a trial.

[@skippingrhyme4386]

How would they lose an anti trust suit when they are a private company and your competing in said private Organization 😂😂

[@MrUltraworld]

@@skippingrhyme4386 They are a monopoly.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

@@skippingrhyme4386 all entities private or whatever must follow the Sherman antitrust act. Violating this law is a criminal case mind you, just no prison sentences resulting from it most likely financial penalties and/or being mandated to do certain things by the government. If NASCAR is found to have violated this law or other related business regulations in the suit it could proceed into a criminal case but we have to see. God bless this law these kinds of laws are what protects us from the greed of those who want to take for themselves at our expense. We just need a competent government to actually enforce these laws we already got.

[@douglaswaite9574]

3 things: 1) Kenny just provided evidence that NASCAR is a bully and practices in extortion. 2) Kenny better get ready to get up there on the witness stand 3) Smokey Yunick's got his popcorn out and enjoying the show from the great beyond 😅

[@mga7649]

About time

[@mrsandlesseasttn7780]

1000%

[@wrknhonks]

Awesome , justice not far away ..cus it doesn’t take a genus to figure out that NASCAR is WRONG … GOOD BOUT TIME SOMEONE HAS THE BALLS TO DO WHATS RIGHT …all the other owners are cowards for signing that bs deal ..

[@billgoodwin8742]

The lawyers are going to get rich.

[@tol12341]

They will start their own teams,LOL

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@tol12341Judge Wapner Racing coming soon

[@keith6872]

too rich would be correct.

[@jonfehr5950]

These are salary paid attorneys on both sides. Maybe an added bonus if they win the case but not like a private individual hiring a private firm where winner takes all

[@johnschwindt3049]

They always do.

[@Jameswaldo]

That scenery is too beautiful to worry about NASCAR problems.

[@GoPetty43]

The "strike" in 69 was nothing like this. When they showed up that year at Talladega for the first time they were running 200 mph and destroying tires in practice. The drivers just wanted to postpone the race until a tire was available that was safe to run on at those speeds. France didn't want to wait any longer than necessary to get his money back on his new crown jewel and forced them to choose and they chose safety.

[@S_Waltz]

This will change everything. Good/Bad/Indifferent. Todays Nascar is stinking the joint up. Just like people say if you dont like it you can change the channel. “Channel has been changed years ago”

[@mattfetter4123]

I watch Flo when I wanna see some racin

[@quigleymotorsports]

this comment needs to be pinned at the top. i couldnt say it any better.

[@cuttnhorse2013]

@@S_Waltz changed mine years ago! Welcome in!

[@jaredkinneyjr]

Left nascar in 2015 & havent looked back since. Thankfully been subscribed to Flo since 2020, the best deal on the internet today! I cannot recommend Flo Racing enough!!!

[@OrganizedMess0025]

@@S_Waltz used to watch nascar for over 20 years of my life since I was a little boy watching dega and Daytona back in the early 00s. After seeing through the bs the sport is involved in over the past few years I no longer watch, at least full time. I’m hoping this suit is the wake up call the sport and the industry needs for course correction.

[@QUADZILLAPoker]

Nice to see someone finally standing up to the France family and NASCAR!!!!!

[@rustywilliams1729]

Yep they are killing wat big bill built with the help of the teams

[@michaelsoper3610]

@@rustywilliams1729 Well, to be fair, Big Bill stole it from the team owners at its formation.

[@rustywilliams1729]

@michaelsoper3610 but he did realize he needed them. But overall it's been dying a slow death.

[@davidwiner8571]

@@QUADZILLAPoker i agree

[@scottnz411]

@@rustywilliams1729 charters are worth 25 million each, im not sure id call that a slow death,

[@williamgreen6179]

Kenny you forgot a couple of important facts. If they win they will be entitled to 3x damages since 2016 for the years they were injured. Front Row would qualify for the full term of years. 23XI since 2021. This suit could also become a class action suit for damages if they win on the merits. Teams are being damaged due to limits to race in other stock car leagues, price fixing for cars/parts, Nascar owns most of the tracks and they are able to keep other series off of their tracks, which limits competitive series from racing against them on top tier tracks. They have control on what other tracks that host Nascar races may rent their tracks to. They control and own the rights to the car, and they can price fix the parts to any amount they choose. They also limit the amount of races a driver can enter in lower series. Drivers can no longer compete in multiple series. (Look at Kyle Busch; greatest driver in Nascar before being limited). No true bargaining process, bullying teams to sign or be kicked out of series, and making team owner sign no suing Nascar clauses. Fining owners and drivers for saying anything that Nascar feels is bad for the sport. And many other items.

[@roncurtis8331]

They are not only bullying the teams but they are bullying the fans as well in my opinion. Kudos to 23xi and Front Row for growing a pair of big balls. Now us fans need to support them any way we can. STOP BUYING TICKETS

[@jonfehr5950]

If that doesn't sound like a monopoly I don't know what is. If team 23s lawyers didn't think they had a case, they wouldn't have gone this far. Absolute definition of a monopoly and it would be another bad mark on our judicial system if they side with nascar

[@KingDavidtheRed1]

Saying Kyle Busch is limited to one league, is like saying you think the New York Yankees should be able to play against High School teams to run their win statics up. Kyle Busch is an excellent driver. He is a terrible immature adult human that could have had 7 Championships if he had stayed in Hendrick equipment. But, he ran his mouth, threw his little temper tantrums, disrespected everyone around him, and got kicked to the curb same as his brother, Kurt.

[@gregorygolden1296]

nascar has been its own worst enemy for years. I hope with every fiber of my being that nascar loses its ASS in court so they can feel what it's like to be on the other side of the fence. They have been nothing but Dictators, Bullies, One sided, and Greedy. Big Bill and Billy would not like what it has become.

[@videditorEB1]

@@williamgreen6179 lol. NASCAR can do whatever it wants and there’s nothing Micheal Jordan or anybody else can do about it. The France family started this deal from scratch and built it from nothing to the billion dollar empire everybody enjoys today. Nothing they do, or have done, prevents ANYBODY from starting from scratch and building their own racing empire. There’s some other motives involved here. MJ might just want out and figures a few million in lawyers fees is a pretty cheap way get that done. Something fishy for sure. He can’t win, he must know that. What’s up??

[@GregoryBradley-v3t]

That’s why Kelley and Junior are so smart they know NASCAR is just a bunch of crooks

[@dlr6025]

Yea a bunch of crooks who made dozen's of others millionaires that sure wouldn't be if it weren't for NASCAR. You think Junior would be worth 300 mil from changing oil at Dale Sr's GM dealership? Stupid?

[@OrganizedMess0025]

God bless the Earnhardts, minus the witch.

[@J.Robinson_]

Dale jr … and nascar are hand and hand… dale jr is nascar …

[@bluedog373]

Hey dork, they race in Xfinity series run by who, Nascar.

[@toddbowser9415]

He’s smart enough to know, you can’t sue NASCAR and win. Probably the kiss of death for 23/11 & front row motor sports

[@jermainerowe9541]

If NASCAR is being unfair, I applaud the two race teams

[@jk9300111]

I don't think this movie has played before to the extent of a lawsuit and with the money behind Jordan. This is some serious stuff and at some point the greed of the France family will have to come back down to Earth.

[@chuxtuff]

And for the first time ever NASCAR will have to lay down their cards face up!!! And we know how NASCAR takes a dim view of that. Yes this is long overdue...

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

Or better yet, they’ll finally sell the sport.

[@shawnyeske5133]

it's about time a race team or number of teams stand up Nascar.

[@buffystclair9042]

As Kenny says, they tried before , Rousch , Penske and a couple other multi car teams tried to stand up to nascar but quickly backed away.

[@farout1220]

@@buffystclair9042 Look up Jeffrey L. Kessler and get back to me... Michael Jordan knew who to hire...

[@chrisfoxwell4128]

The problem before was their income was so tied to Nascar that being out of Nascar meant being out of money. Jordan will be making money after he's dead and no more needs Nascar than he needs a 6th Ferrari.

[@jeffreyhutchins6527]

@@chrisfoxwell4128 likewise NASCAR doesn't need Jordan at all

[@chrisfoxwell4128]

@@jeffreyhutchins6527 , sure, they don't "need" him any more than they "need" Bubba Wallace.

[@brhjrh088]

It's going to be interesting to see how this all turns out. The driver strike in 1969 was a few years before I was around, my whole life is been their playground, their rules, if ya don't like it don't come back. It's going to be something to watch these teams stand up and challenge that mindset. ✌️🤙

[@boogieman3165]

How is that mindset wrong? Explain please.

[@georgepaiva7496]

Took Denny long enough to sue them now they have to open their books up and the whole world will she how crooked NASCAR is

[@williamgreen6179]

Yes now we will be able to see the contracts with tracks that Nascar doesn't own to see if there is also clauses prohibiting them from allowing other Stock car type races from being used on their tracks. Margins for the fixed prices for parts, bodies and other car components. How much money Nascar makes on the tracks they own. The France family own over 1/3 of the tracks used. "13 tracks". Also personal Salaries of the France family.

[@keithlaub7964]

The real income numbers will literally blow your mind

[@ls_812]

Probably gets solved without fully going thru.

[@dlr6025]

@@keithlaub7964 Yea. You seen em?

[@usleadershipareliars]

This will be in court for 10 years, nothings getting opened

[@Old.Vet.]

Now I’ve got to take back all the bad stuff I’ve said about Denny..

[@johnchambers1380]

No you dont

[@earlcousins6635]

No! Don't do that!

[@mikel.4885]

Nascar doesn't need hamlin or jordan....hope nascar tells them to pack up and move along

[@bradrock7731]

@@mikel.4885 Or Bubbles

[@OrganizedMess0025]

I still hate him on the track, but out of the car I like the 23xi team for similar reasons why im fond of Trackhouse, and I salute him for the guts it takes to sue nascar. Plus he seems genuinely interested in making the racing product better so respect for that.

[@lchbbq]

Michael Jordan doesn't walk on egg shells

[@ryancarlisle4621]

MJ's bigger then Nascar, Nascar might want to be real careful with this one!!!

[@mikefeltner4216]

Nah. See ya MJ and Denny ​@@ryancarlisle4621

[@chrislayton5404]

@@ryancarlisle4621that’s hilarious

[@Naturehack]

All the other teams are behind them but they can't talk

[@farout1220]

@@ryancarlisle4621 MJ's Lawyer is bigger than the NCAA & NFL...

[@zachronspees6432]

Am not a lawyer, don't even play one on TV, but I think there could be a case for undue duress as it relates to this new contract. Especially in light of what some of the owners have said about it. Simplifying things here a bit, think Nascar would have to give the teams the new/better deal if 23XI & FRM, win, or face additional lawsuits.

[@ShinyShinyBlack]

1. Openly admitting “I’ve seen that movie” feels like an underhanded admission that the France family are bullies. 2. Out of all of teams in NASCAR, 23XI has the most famous and popular owner (by a mile), is co-owned by a future hall of fame driver who is also tremendously popular, and one of the most popular drivers on their team - the ONE SINGLE DRIVER who is still consistently pulling in multiple major consumer brands, all under one roof - who happens to have come up through the drive for diversity program. To me, that feels like leverage. NASCAR has opened up a can of worms that don’t think they fully accounted for.

[@boogieman3165]

NASCAR didn't open up a can of worms, Front Row and 23XI are the one doing the suing.

[@ryancarlisle4621]

You left out the third partner, Curtis Polk which is one of MJ's best friends and they say a business monster, any way it goes, MJ's still bigger then Nascar!!!

[@videditorEB1]

@@ryancarlisle4621Well then MJ’s going to have to buy all the tracks. Until then he has exactly zero leverage whatsoever. He might actually WANT out but wants to save face. A few million in lawyers fees is a pretty cheap way to do that.

[@ItsMavicBrah]

I don't think people understand what an antitrust suit is lol. Sure all the other teams signed... But the suit will assuredly bring forth through that process that the other teams only signed through coercion due to Nascar having all the power and actively making moves to keep said power. This is such a bigger deal than people think lol. And tbh... Even if the suit fails... It's a pr nightmare for the Frances.

[@videditorEB1]

@@ItsMavicBrah exactly zero teams were forced at gunpoint to sign the agreement. Teams signed because it’s it their best interests to sign. Period. PR nightmare?? lol. France will win, the only nightmare is for Bubba. He’ll get paid, but he’s toast.

[@jfrockon]

Something needs to be done to the France family. They have ruined NASCAR.

[@bluedog373]

It's theirs to ruin.

[@michaelsoper3610]

@@bluedog373 Yep, they stole it fair and square from the team owners at a certain Miami hotel nearly 80 year ago. Statute of Limitations is up.

[@PatSullivan-bq3xr]

Huh?…80 years ago in an Miami hotel?

[@kurtfoulke5130]

Yes, and those damn Founding Fathers of The United States ruined America 😂

[@skippingrhyme4386]

They Created it. I hope you don't consider yourself a Republican or a Constitutionalist because you would be a hypocrite right about now

[@tsufordman]

Since NASCAR doesn't own the entirety of US motorsports and tracks, I don't expect this to be successful.

[@Jay-gy5hs]

IMO, I do not think there’s anyway NASCAR lets this go to trial. They are not going to open their financial books to discovery.

[@b.w.22]

NASCAR cannot unilaterally “settle a case.” They may be able to have it dismissed, but even that would likely require them showing exactly how they haven’t been behaving anticompetitively. The France’s may have been able to tell Rick Hendrick to “go back to selling used cars in downtown Charlotte,” but Michael Jordan is a different character entirely.

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

This is what happens when you let Steve O’Donnell tell every disgruntled driver to enjoy tending bar at Applebees.

[@shaynejenkins446]

@@b.w.22 M.J. isn't that significant in the race world and know where near to the same money the France family has.

[@b.w.22]

@@shaynejenkins446 - You may be right about that, but I’m not sure the France family is significantly more wealthy than he is nor are they significantly more important in the sports world or the Western District of North Carolina where this suit was filed. But really, the importance, influence, or even wealth of a person stops mattering quite as much when something makes its way into Federal Court. If NASCAR has, in the eyes of the Court, broken federal laws, “being the France Family” isn’t going to matter a whit.

[@georgepaiva7496]

NASCAR isn’t stupid it won’t go to court since the opening of of the books is gonna piss off a lot of teams

[@OrganizedMess0025]

This is the same org that thought up the playoff system. Assume they're incompetent until proven otherwise.

[@chuxtuff]

Dirty laundry out in public for all to see. You're right!! NASCAR won't like "discovery" should this get that far...

[@tobylou8]

@@OrganizedMess0025 Don't forget they thought they could compete against football!!

[@toddedwards5373]

This is going to be a cluster.

[@theamateurbackyardgardener543]

Calling it as it is! Fail tech, fail post race inspection, speeding on pit road all day, It takes balls, but Tony Stewart is laughing 1000 feet at a time.

[@joedonjames3054]

Not a Hamlin or 23XI fan, but NASCAR has become a joke since Big Bill died. Hope Jordan, Hamlin and Front Row prevail.

[@boogieman3165]

What exactly do you want NASCAR to do?

[@OrganizedMess0025]

@@boogieman3165 Be a legitimate racing series not a shell of its former self and a weekly clown show.

[@boogieman3165]

@@OrganizedMess0025 Okay, I agree, but what does that have to do with an anti-trust law suet?

[@kenruggles7039]

About damn time! I think NASCAR is in for a big surprise! Quartz don't look too fondly on antitrust situations! This is a different story from the old days Herman! 😨😵‍💫😨🏁🏁🏁

[@mikaelhaggard8031]

😂

[@nevadadan4113]

Courts or Quartz?

[@kenruggles7039]

@@nevadadan4113 Voice to text! Courts! Quartz! Sounds the same! 😅😂🤣

[@adamtereska8734]

Nobody's going to win this. Not NASCAR, not Front Row, not 23XI, not the rest of the teams, and especially not the fans. This is going to be an everybody loses deal.

[@fredw3448]

I don't care how big NASCAR is, MJ is pretty damn big in his own right.

[@drewpierce2273]

And he has enough $$$$ to meet them at every challenge.

[@4grizzle1]

Both seems to be the problem

[@ramrod9556]

Jordan is basically nothing in NASCAR. If he doesn't like the contract he can go do something else.

[@videditorEB1]

Since NASCAR owns all the tracks, Jordan has exactly zero power. Not sure what the goal is, but suing NASCAR is a loser move all day long.

[@lesbratton]

What's so great about NASCAR nowadays? The new car sucks, the racing sucks, the point systems suck, NASCAR sucks!

[@davesrvchannel4717]

Kenny, I have some advice. When you’re looking into your camera, don’t look at your face on viewfinder look at the camera lens. For those of us watching you on TV and computer it really stands out. If you’re looking into lens it’ll look as if you are looking straight at us, not looking into corner. Always enjoyed you and your opinions, proudly displaying your autograph in my man cave from square D days. Thanks for what you do

[@norriscreary]

Its time to shake the tree. Michael Jordan is no push over, he has balls.

[@danielhenderson8316]

He also makes $100 million a year just from shoes. He has F'U money to make NASCAR look twice.

[@ssr1963]

Obviously NASCAR knows they have a monopoly or they wouldn’t have put the anti-trust line in the contract. Good for MJ and Denny!

[@boogieman3165]

They don't have a monopoly on racing, there are many forms of racing on the market. NASCAR is owned and operated by the France family, they can dictate how the game is played because it is their game.

[@georgedreisch2662]

This sounds like legal posturing. For their initiation of legal action, anything negative, NASCAR does from then on, would appear to be malicious, and vindictive, and potentially get a cease and desist order, by the court.

[@rickybobby8224]

Filing a lawsuit under the Sherman Act is not posturing. It means the posturing is over.

[@georgedreisch2662]

@@rickybobby8224 my thinking is that they’re setting the situation, to prevent NASCAR from stopping their participation. Posturing, is probably not the proper term. I used it because I see this as they’re initiating a situation, where they would discourage and have recourse, to NASCAR blocking their participation. I can also imagine this card being played with regard to penalties, as being prejudice, whether actual or not.

[@rorygielarowski8972]

About Time somebody takes on NASCAR

[@daveholden8113]

the very top of nascar needs to go replace them with retired drivers so that calls are made the same not like it is now

[@mikel.4885]

And hopefully hamlin will get what he deserves a pink slip and blnascar telling him to kick bricks

[@mikaelhaggard8031]

Anybody is free to start their own series.

[@christophergritti9873]

Hey Herminator, glad you're enioying your vacation, it looks beautiful out there. Look this lawsuit is going to be a precident setter. Its gonna mean a lot for indycar and other american motorsports moving forward. I know people hate Denny, but I think they have a pretty solid point. Does that mean they're going to win? Absolutely not. But there are a lot of teams that were willing to just lay over and take this new deal so im personally glad someones not affraid to push back.

[@QuietDriver97]

Good on the teams bold enough to do it. The sanctioning body has long forgotten where it came from and who keeps the lights on from the basement to the top floor. People getting too big for their britches need to be checked hard because that's what kills plans, vision, and progress.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

> People getting too big for their britches need to be checked hard because that's what kills plans, vision, and progress. Too big to fail, too big to exist.

[@DeaconMike]

No way Jordan did this unless he knew he was going to win.

[@paulday5722]

You mean like he knew he could be a professional baseball player? Then he was going to be an NBA champion team owner? There is no way anybody can know how a lawsuit is going to play out.

[@mikaelhaggard8031]

He was one of the worst team owners in NBA history.

[@mikek749]

Lost a lot of card games but had enough money to stay in. Also would not let opponents walk away with winnings they had to keep playing.

[@larryhobbs8769]

Just because your rich doesn’t mean your smart. Hamlin is spending Jordan’s money in this lawsuit

[@jim394]

7:14 Imagine Reddick or Bubba leading a race and while they do that, the the courts decide to deny the injunction and NASCAR starts black flagging them once they hear back 🤣

[@kallsop2]

Let's see, sounds a lot like the CART/USAC arguments and the split in 1980, only to have the CART/IRL Tony George arguments and split in 1996. They both fell on their faces and in 2008 had to unify just to save themselves. I think 23X1 and Front Row my want to look at Trans Am because I don't think this is going to end well. How many non-charter cars attempt to qualify for every race? I don't think they could get any of the other smaller teams to join them whether they are charter teams or not.

[@toddmusser6537]

CART/Champ Car - forgot about them; thanks for the reminder. Champ Car did some things that sound awfully familiar these days - red sidewall “option” tire; moving away from ovals to more road and street courses, tried to “grow the sport” internationally - races in Canada, Brazil, Japan, Germany…🤔

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@toddmusser6537 CART/Champ Car didn't move away from ovals until they got locked out of the ISC tracks when Tony George signed an exclusive deal with Bill France Jr. As the 90's went on, they added more and more ovals to their schedule.

[@kallsop2]

@@danielhenderson8316 IIRC Tony George wanted an all American drivers and ovals only series.

[@Neil-f8h]

After seeing the “Airspeed “ facility, is anyone left believing Denny that they need more money to keep racing??? NASCAR has its origins in barns not 50 million dollar places of worship …I think auto racing has lost its way…

[@militantnormal428]

Kenny, you have lived your entire life with Nascar being the shot callers and the good old boys just go along to get along! That was all good until big money got involved! Nascar is gonna have a leash on them now it seems! I don't think Michael Jordon is going in without full knowledge that he has a very good chance at winning this. I'm sure he has obtained the best legal minds in the anti-trust area. Nascar has to know it too! Why would they include in the contract that you won't sue us for anti trust if they didn't know there was a good case against them? Nascar is scrambling now!

[@nevadadan4113]

Very well written comment!!

[@tomkinison6782]

Make NASCAR open their books in court.

[@Super-J10]

Stand for something or fall for anything….

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

SELL THE SPORT.

[@sledguy910]

It will either get resolved in the next few months or it will be the end of 23XI and Frontrow... I suspect it will be the later. In the meantime... "Bubba is leading and looks to be on his way to the win, the last thing he needs is a caution. Oh, caution debris on the track. Restart, Bubba is passed and finishes 2nd". "Denny is in 2nd place coming to the restart.... Denny is black flagged for jumping the restart".

[@historybuff1483]

I mean, if they wanna be that brazen about it, people will just turn it off.

[@toddrunion2]

For the 1st time since their inception, I have become a fan of 23XI. Finally. A Team owner with some big cojones to go against the NASCAR Monopoly.

[@boogieman3165]

Everyone is throwing around the word "monopoly". How is it a monopoly?

[@earlcousins6635]

NOT ME!

[@toddrunion2]

@@boogieman3165 Mafia would also fit to what NASCAR has become.

[@boogieman3165]

@@toddrunion2 You haven't answered the question. How is NASCAR a monopoly?

[@rickheaton9136]

@@boogieman3165 They own the majority of tracks, they say which tracks they run on and when, they restrict drivers from competing in other nascar series, they control the purse, they control tv contracts, they control, as Kenny mentioned, pre and post race inspections, they control the car. Who else is allowed to race stock cars at the premier tracks?

[@jonfehr5950]

Love the video Herman! This is the best thing to happen to Nascar's greed. You know it's a pay to play league, the teams are cash strapped because of lack of pay. I hope Michael and Denny win, it'll change everything, bring in actual talent without money because teams will be paid accordingly. Complete BS nascar makes billions with a b in profits while teams scratch and claw for money.

[@EventHorizonADP]

This movie is different. Michael Jordan is probably the most prolific athlete in history. I do not think that there is anyone more important to the future success of NASCAR than MJ. 23X11 also happens to have the only black driver in the cup series. That… My friends, is leverage. They are in a unique position to bring change that needs to happen.

[@xSkidMarx]

Imagine how much better the sport would be if all the amazing teams over the years were getting a 50/50 (or even 30/70) share of the pie? How much better would the sport be if pissed off executives couldn't screw a team over, like you're predicting they will do to 23XI and FRM. The NBA, MLB, NFL, etc have all gone through this and their sports have grown like crazy and EVERYONE is richer for it.

[@Spankus28]

If nascar stops front row and 2311 from competing next year, nobody will notice. I don’t even know who drives for front row, and nobody cares about bubba. Tyler restock is their bread and butter anyhow.

[@evelynthompson755]

If Michael Jordan loses and has to pull up stakes, he'll just take his millions to FI or some other racing sport. Jordan can afford to lose and that gives him power in this situation. The other teams will still have to abide by their contracts, but when their contracts are up, it's open season, if they win the suit. I think the France family is not looking out for the sport anymore. It hasn't been the same since France Jr turned it over to Brian.

[@otaviofrn_adv]

Big Bill and Bill Jr were not saints, believe that

[@OrganizedMess0025]

@@otaviofrn_adv They were at least effective leaders, which nascar hasn't had since losing both big bill and dale sr.

[@s15240drifter69]

If a court rules the contracts 23XI and FRM did not sign are in fact illegal, or NASCAR tried to strongarm the teams into signing, then the other teams contracts will automatically become null and void as well.

[@waynealington1347]

I think the days of Big Bill France and it's my way or the highway or over!

[@otaviofrn_adv]

he's been dead for 30+ years, I hope that his ghost (or his son) don't scare the plaintiffs

[@boogieman3165]

Explain how that is wrong.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

If nascar had effective leadership, maybe this mentality could still work. But effective leadership went away when bill jr passed.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Helicopter skiing in Banff has always been on my Bucket list. I have never been there, but I have skied Whistler BC. My passport expired in 2020 as I am not Vaxxed. It's too bad that 3 or 4 other Teams didn't hold out so they could have a Class action Suit .

[@budlanctot3060]

I was just reading about Banff. It's kind of a nouveau riche playground. Beautiful but expensive, and hoity-toity, now

[@terrygarvin1980]

Tony Stewart was smart to get out. The teams are being chocked out.

[@Ka_Gg]

And just like that Denny Hamlin got caught speeding on the last pit stops of the next two races

[@lancehowlett3910]

I see some black flags for damage that needs to be addressed…boom now they are 2 laps down.

[@ChristopherFisher-il2xc]

The big difference is that Jordan has the means to do this successfully.

[@marco_loewert]

I would say that if the clause in the charter contract is declared immoral, all contracts are invalid

[@bowlinerailfan]

God is the Master Artist and you're enjoying His handiwork in Banff.

[@55Reever]

If 23XI and FRS wins, the court will nullify the existing contracts with the other teams because the court decision would be the standing rule.

[@cuttnhorse2013]

Hendricks, Gibbs, and all owners should join in!

[@chuxtuff]

You'd think that they're on the phone to their lawyers right now asking how they can join after they chickened out and signed that new agreement.

[@NewNomics]

The charter agreement the other teams signed prohibits them from filing a lawsuit for antitrust. Not a legal eagle here but I imagine many could go back on it and file stating the agreement was signed under duress. NASCAR sprung the "final" agreement, which is a small book, on teams with a few day deadline just before a weekend. Guess we'll see.

[@mikek749]

Mentioned teams are being taken care of...

[@ekardnnam897]

i'm so glad Herm included me in the conversation. I still enjoy watching Kenny. Like he said, NA$$$CAR is indeed a monopoly. Isn't that illegal? The only way the monopoly can continue is if people continue to buy tickets and watch, even while knowing what a snakepit NA$$$CAR really is, and how it treats its own competitors, the guys you root for. I bailed on NA$$$CAR awhile back, even though it meant missing Larson win races. But he's a lot more fun to watch on dirt, anyway. So check it out, and screw NA$$$CAR. I'd love to see him go to Indycar or F1.

[@ANotSoHotRodGarage]

Get ready for ticket prices to gp through the roof.

[@kylitoshow]

The ticket prices were through the roof back in NASCAR’s prime, people were singing praises about that

[@roncurtis8331]

Then everyone needs to stop buying tickets. It’s that simple. It’s hard to run an event if nobody is watching.

[@jeffw7644]

@@roncurtis8331 that’s what I believe too, the fans have the control they just don’t know how to use it! If you stop watching and going to races, it’s over, it doesn’t matter who has any amount of money!

[@bobbybelcher6800]

So proud of these guys ! This is way overdue ! Nobody likes a bully ! This is because of greed ! The American people have a say in this, we buy the tickets !

[@chrislayton5404]

American people have a say in something they do not own?

[@roberts208]

Issue is here 1. Not enough teams are with 23XI and Front Row. 2. Nobody is forcing them to run a NASCAR team.. Don't like the rules of the sport pack up and move on issue solved And Herm is correct when they lose this case those teams are finished.

[@joneskendrick2084]

Missed the point entirely. >> IT IS ABOUT NASCAR PREVENTING ANYONE FROM BEING ABLE TO COMPETE IN A NASCAR EVENT. IF NASCAR is found to have acted in a way to restrict the freedom of a team / driver to CHOOSE where / when to race as a means of income (monopolistic behavior), then that is all it takes for The France's to lose. Biggly.

[@roberts208]

@@joneskendrick2084 You can go lease a car hire a team and qualify.. You missed the point where nobody is forcing anyone to run a team

[@joneskendrick2084]

@@roberts208 YOU missed the point that these teams have no other place to ply their craft. Monopolistic activity which has been illegal in the US since the early 20th century. Grasp that NASCAR is attempting to control who MAY PARTICIPATE v who CAN'T. There is a difference especially because they want a monetary cut of your investment ahead of time. That model is an uncompetitive business practice (A SCAM); thus the lawsuit. Actually surprised more teams didn't join the suit but it demonstrates their fear of the organization. We'll see what a court decides unless there is a settlement. BTW - I did NASCAR many years ago... was a winner, too. Why would I sign up to lose? No "leased" team is gonna be remotely competitive... not enough money, engineering, and especially money. Very dumb concept though some drivers do it... i.e. there are several in F1 and Indy.

[@seanhoward8025]

NASCAR screwed with the wrong dog. Michael Jordan has deep pockets and will lawyer up...and he is highly competitive. He plays to win. Gibbs is old and Hendrick is there to race, not confront NASCAR. Good for MJ. It would have been better for everyone had Gibbs, Hendrick, Legacy and RFK formed a united front with 23XI and Front Row. It was obvious that SHR was dissatisfied with the situation and just gave up rather than fight. I'm thinking if Tony had known MJ's intentions, he may have stuck it out. The Frances are used to pushing around the hicks and 'shiners from the past, not corporate leaders and billionaires. Shame on Rick Hendrick for giving in to NASCAR. He has no problem screwing over his customers when selling cars, but bends over for the France family.

[@coryzahradnicek261]

This is going to end up like when Jeremy Mayfield try suing nascar you can't beat them

[@janetschroering5283]

Jordan has more money than Mayfield ever thought about!!

[@militantnormal428]

Jeremy Mayfield wasn't a multi billionaire with the top talent law firms on his side! Remember the dream team!

[@MySweetBoat]

Kenny, I can only name 3, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman & Roger Staubach, but I’m sure you know of several astute businessmen that it didn’t take long to realize it’s difficult to profit being a NASCAR team owner. They were assets to sport but walked away.

[@wadesuhr]

Google/KZbin is a monopoly too. Creators get paid a pittance while Google controls the algorithm/rules. Identical to NASCAR almost in my opinion.

[@jonfehr5950]

Completely different. Costs 0$ to post anything on KZbin/Google. Teams spend millions to buy cars and parts from nascar to show up. It would be similar if KZbin made you buy their cameras then pay money to post content. Not saying KZbin isn't close to a monopoly on other things but this isn't even close to relative

[@OrganizedMess0025]

And the feds are investigating google currently. And good on the feds all these mfing billion dollar companies need to be made to act right because the only thing they care about is their bottom line.

[@arthuralford]

If there was a finding against NASCAR, the contracts will be null and void, and new ones would be drawn up. With the lawsuit, every action NASCAR takes involving 23XI and Front Row will be under a microscope, and both teams will also have to be vigilant and not give them any reason to go after them. If NASCAR does, they better be able to prove that a) it's justified by the rules and b) they aren't treating them differently from other teams. NASCAR's desire to take every cent possible out of the sport got them. Controlling not just how much of the TV money teams get, but forcing them into one source suppliers for parts and chassis, owning the rights to marketing driver and team images as they see fit without compensation, etc? NASCAR will settle, because if this goes to trial the risk of losing is too high

[@paulday5722]

Hamlin has a habit of starting feuds he can't win. He ran his mouth about Logano and ended up in the hospital with a broken back. He's instigated numerous run-ins with HMS drivers and became the most hated person in NASCAR. Then he got in a Twitter spat with Marcus Smith and pulled his family into it which led to a public apology for taking it too far. Now he thinks it's a great idea to take NASCAR to court? He better have iron-clad proof or this will be his biggest loss yet. No matter how far this goes the public will never see anybody's financial records. Neither side wants any part of that. It will all be done by lawyers behind closed doors.

[@garlandalmarode6396]

I'm a Denny fan but you are right. He puts himself in too many situations like this instead of just racing week to week.

[@DannyWalker247]

I have lived in Daytona Beach for over 50 years and have witnessed the growth of Nascar and the France family. They are a formidable force financially and politically and they will not roll over on this. Keep watching.

[@BiscuitsMom917]

I think this is a good thing. I wish more teams would have joined. But i agree, nascar will make their lives absolute HELL.

[@davidburchfield2720]

Yes but it will be used in Cort against them lol

[@kennethfuller8347]

The fact that NASCAR put a "no suit" clause in next year's contract speaks volumes. And yes, NASCAR has ruled with an iron fist for too long. I'm not a Hamlin, or 23XI fan, but I wish them the best in suing NASCAR ... the France family and their monopoly need to be humbled. Jordan has got some pretty deep pockets, too, and I respect them standing up to the bully.

[@michaelmanuel7978]

Nascar wanted diversity so bad and now they have it.....

[@johnclauss5501]

Kenny and anyone else that has ever done NASCAR broadcasting are simply not used to NASCAR being called out. They are not used to NASCAR not directing the conversation. Notice how no one ever criticizes NASCAR on a NASCAR broadcast. This is about to end as well.

[@PaperBanjo64]

I don't know, I think the NASCAR media will try and spin Denny, Michael Jordan and Bob Jenkins as villians for daring to come against poor little old NASCAR.

[@LevyMorris-r1t]

I remember when Larry Mc said something on live TV, and not agreeing with NASCAR going to ethanol for fuel. He explained it all on national TV. We never heard or seen anything in print after that about the change. He was just explaining why all of a sudden that tires were not the reason for the pit stops. The tires were lasting more laps than the fuel.

[@shadowlord5574]

I'm glad someone had the ball's to stand up to asscar. And you are right Kenny, nascar can do evil thing's, just ask Jeremy Mayfield.

[@LilSebastian_]

Except Mayfield was arrested for drugs…

[@JJA1987]

Mayfield got caught period

[@allenwrench9005]

what happens if NASCAR say hay you aint racing to this lawsuit is run through the courts ???

[@OrganizedMess0025]

Considering this is the sherman antitrust act being used in this suit, and God bless this law 1,000,000,000%, anything nascar does against 23xi or frm could be used in court as evidence of retaliation. Nascar would be stupid to ever do anything when legal and media attention is on them in a negative light, but nascar also dreamt up the playoff system so anything is possible lol.

[@zekecowans7792]

Then nascar will lose more money and a huge audience that adores those teams

[@stogashawn4724]

Don't sign the contract then you're out of the series? you don't follow their rules you will not race? Simple NASCAR is a Business. If you want to participate with them, you sign up like every other team! Go Race somewhere else? Hamlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed! He has no Championships he gives a contract to Bubba Useless! wins nothing can't make the playoffs Fights with drivers who win races, gets fined 50,000 dollars for trying to wreck the winner of the race gets Suspended for other Moronic behavior. Thats who your team thinks are a good idea? Mj Should be so proud????

[@gregorygolden1296]

Think it's worth a shot. You have very good points. Something definitely needs to be done. Not sure if this is it, but dang, we won't never know unless somebody plays David against Goliath.

[@CarShowclub]

I don't se this as a big deal. Michael Jordan should start his own racing series. No road courses, no post race inspection penalties,

[@petekreamer4492]

should he? thats what your brain came up with?

[@bryanelder5636]

They'll REGRET that !!!

[@freedom6919741]

Someone finally standing up to the NASCAR Mafia!

[@scottsaalman6106]

Wallace is telling us how corrupt NASCAR is cause those teams are suing them I'm shocked what he told us 10:06 how nascar gonna against those teams retaliate old Wallace mit be getting some phone calls for nascar about those comments lol!

[@dangajdosik6958]

LOL good luck Denny and Michael. This is not going to end well. I've been a union member for 35 years USW it's not what's going to happen now it's what's going to happen next year. Question Kenny what happens if 23xi gets one of SH characters.

[@wednesdaykartingflyingclub8164]

I stopped watching nascar years ago, but I love watching your videos. It keeps me informed on what’s going on in the sport. So far, I don’t see any reason to go back and watch a race on TV. To think that years ago, I watched every lap of practice and qualifying and loved it. Nascars manipulation schemes of the championship outcome has really made it hard for me to watch. Guarantee that if Denny Hamlin lapped the field next year, nascar will throw a caution flag every lap just to get the rest of the pack back on the same lap.

[@wissmo2122]

Michael Jordan worth 3 1/2 billon Nascar worth 400 million

[@jonfehr5950]

Your evaluation is not even close. Their profits are over a billion. Lol

[@wissmo2122]

France’s estimated net worth at $2.1 billion still like m.j. for the win,@@jonfehr5950

[@mikefeltner4216]

😂😂😂

[@kennnethrohm4448]

I believe that it's going to be a complete caous in the Nascar world, simply because Nascar has ruled the sport and own so many tracks, Nascar is making tons of money, they should share the wealth of the sport, especially since the cost is so expensive for the teams, because Nascar supplies the next generation vehicles as well,as everything else 😊

[@RobertStone-z6u]

The business belongs to NASCAR, not the participants. If the teams do not like the way things are, close the doors.

[@davidhorne2326]

Exactly! If the teams that are suing knew the situation, why did they join in?

[@TeganCantEven]

The best thing that could come from this for me as an IndyCar far would be breaking up the track ownership monopoly.

[@nicolespruitt675]

If NASCAR tries to sabotage 23xi, then they'll lose the case.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

They already have a bad start with provisions in the charter agreements barring teams from filing suits against nascar, especially antitrust. I'm no legal expert but i got enough common sense to know if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, what tf else could it be?

[@mikaelhaggard8031]

😆 🤣 😂

[@michaelmorgan5303]

They don't have a chance in hell getting Nascar to give up anything.the only thing that's going to happen is there will be 2 fewer teams in Nascar

[@gregorygolden1296]

That's what I'm kinda seeing. Hope not. Something HAS to be done to stop the runaway train that is nascar.

[@mga7649]

Are you a lawer

[@Dirtydeff]

Larry Mac had the most epic rant I've heard in a long time on his show with Danielle Trotta earlier.... I'm paraphrasing but he was like 23Xl has been here for a total of 3 years and think they're a big dog and FRM has a total of 4 wins in 20 years. While teams that built the sport like RCR, Hendrick, JGR, and Penske, etc all signed the charter. He also said Denny made all this money in Nascar working for an owner that signed this charter agreement.

[@garlandalmarode6396]

Larry doesn't like Hamlin, not sure why. He tried to embarrass Hamlin on the radio imo after the Richmond race and he knew Dillion wouldn't make the playoffs. Which got him upset imo. So then he says I feel bad for Hamlins daughter who had to hear all the boos for her dad at his home track. I was there was near like he made it out to be. I thought that was low going after Denny like that when he didn't get his way with Dillion going to the playoffs.

[@garlandalmarode6396]

There were boos but cheers too.

[@SteadyPlaying]

That just sounds like Hamlin isn't a pushover like the rest of them.

[@Dirtydeff]

@@garlandalmarode6396 Denny said Larry wasn't connected enough to the sport to do his Daytona 500 countdown 😂

[@Dirtydeff]

@@garlandalmarode6396 I feel bad for Denny's daughter cause they keep threatening to take Lu Lu away 😂😂

[@TimothyMeyers-i2s]

If I am NASCAR I say guess what no More Charters and all purses will be based off of attendance and tv money.

[@janetschroering5283]

Jordan has the means to start his own racing league!!

[@bad2mx]

Yup, I'd be fine watching them run every week at Darlington or a reproduction of.

[@MRosati5000]

Use smaller track's like SRX .

[@ramrod9556]

Good luck with that.

[@pierredentremont2999]

If 23 and front win the contract will be rendered null and void. Happens all the time in the REAL world.

[@brucemcqueen5395]

Let's see how MJ feels about having all his business affairs being exposed, because I'm sure that he is transparent with all his business dealings. He also needs an attorney who understands what antitrust is. Nascar is not saying they can't start their own series. That would be antitrust. Basically, Nascar's position is that if you are going to run our series, you have to run by our rules. They have the right to do that. It's no different than the NFL, MBA, NBA.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

If he and his team and frm are using antitrust litigation against nascar, they're more than willing to fall on the sword themselves if it means nascar gets it legally speaking.

[@davidsteffen6251]

I'm glad that they are suing them I have been watching Nascar a long time and it has done nothing but go down hill I hope things get changed to better the sport or maybe somebody start a new racing series

[@darreneubank8188]

Doesn’t sound good. Did Richard Petty try this years ago??

[@lchbbq]

richard petty isn't michael jordan. they will come with a team of attorneys that the pettys couldnt afford if they sold everything they owned.

[@rbutler1519]

The best part about this is. The judge will decide. And it’s not looking good for the Frances just on the RICO act alone.

[@davidfleishman2275]

Jeremy Mayfield lost his case against Nascar in court. The court said Nascar is a private company and they can do as they want. If you do not like the way Nascar runs go race somewhere else. Is Hamlin and Jordan going to have the same results as Mayfield?

[@Rpmgo-bo2jh]

Finally. Someone has enough of nascar’s bullying. I want to personally thank Michael Jordan. Thank you!!!!!

[@TheMcbearcat1]

Retaliation would be a very very very bad Idea for NASCAR!!!!

[@nathanurick8320]

Have any of you ever seen some of these drivers multimillion dollar homes and there 2-3 million dollar buses. I hope nascar tells these two teams to leave.

[@JJ-zd5ld]

If NASCAR were to eliminate the charter system and go back to the old way of building cars by letting the teams supply their own, then that would take away a lot of the 23XI's claims of anti-trust. Everybody becomes an independent contractor - sort of speak and not held to a collective contract, as the way it was before charters. If they were to build their own cars then they are not forced to buy cars and parts from NASCAR. And the racing will become much better! Of course that's not what Denny and MJ want - they want to force themselves into owning a share of NASCAR, to turn NASCAR into the business model of the ball sports.

[@LLeesClassicAVP]

I've been watching since 94 & my opinion on NASCAR execs hasn't changed. Screw NASCAR!!!