Kenworth W900L vs Kenworth T680 vs fuel efficiency

We finally got our Kenworth T680 back from the shop.... the big question.... do aerodynamic trucks really work? Well watch the video to find out if they work for us ? Should we switch our fleet 😜

[@alouiciousdeverdander9152]

This guy is old school... love it!!! Need more bosses like him in the game... too many companies are being run by egg heads and bean counters... bosses like this guy have been around for decades and will be here long after the the fads come and go... well done, sir!!!

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[@luvwally4823]

this guy knows what he’s talking about not some guy just rambling on how to haul groceries

[@skrapenpennies9947]

I've always said that stopping and going, weight and hills eats up fuel more than wind

[@georgefreund6464]

What about a mack specd with atotaly mack drivetrain

[@noo7073]

I have a 680 average 7.8 with 50k pounds something it’s wrong with yours.

[@blauer2551]

I bet your employees are happy to be working with you. You know your stuff and that goes a long way with drivers.

[@flintcreektransport]

thankyou

[@ericmiller7022]

thanks for sharing your experience with these types of trucks and being honest with the details absolutely appreciate all your info

[@brandonsieber1335]

That blue w9 aerocab in the background, gorgeous!!

[@skrapenpennies9947]

Any money you save on fuel goes to repairs and def. I'll keep my 3406b cat getting over six miles a gallon pulling flatbed. They can keep those money pits

[@bracsim]

I consider you a smart person, agree 100%

[@rd5991]

Smart. I get 6.5mpg with my newer w900 but then I gotta pour $100 def every trip! Fuel savings down the drain.

[@JasonSmith-vd1sz]

Another great video. I really appreciate your effort you put into these, it shows! Keep up the good work.

[@flintcreektransport]

Thankyou !!!

[@VegasGuy1975]

Great overview. Thanks for the feedback.

[@dchawk81]

My 2014 Mack uses less def when it's running 75mph than when it's running 62mph. It uses more fuel, but it's burning cleaner because def and the DPF basically are there to stop the "rolling coal" that happens when you're lugging it and on the throttle. So when you do these mega fleet fuel economy speeds where you're barely fast enough to be in overdrive, you're gonna tax the emissions systems constantly. Same goes for idling and lots of stop and go.

[@rayadams1312]

Many year's ago my old boss did a study on all of the long Haul truck's kms Done a amount of fuel used per week it turned out that the trucks with the biggest Horse power a drive line turned out to be the most economical in the fleet of 5 Big prime movers doing semi trailer work

[@brucekoster9253]

Great Video! Good honest information....well done! My personal T600 vs W900 comparison has had a little better results, but I've never had the over dimension loads you're hauling regularly. Given that extra weight & width, lower gears, etc. I can see why they wouldn't be any better on fuel. Too bad we can't keep using pre-emission equipment forever.

[@dwortss]

Nice looking herd. Driver's pride/performance will go a long way with good WORKING equipment. You also have a good day.

[@blauer2551]

Amen to that! Nothing worse than using the spare when mine is down or getting PM.

[@Agislife1960]

Finally, somebody who strikes at the meat of the subject, one of the main reasons for the aero trucks was fuel efficiency and Ive asked that question numerous times to various truck salesmen on youtube about which model actually gets better fuel milage and everybody just sidesteps the answer

[@triplehtransport2234]

That’s why I’m keeping my 03 W900L with the 6NZ Cat forever!! 750rwhp gettin 5.5- 5.8 all day😸💪🏾👊🏾🎯💯🚛💨💨 #NoEmissionsNoBS #LongLiveTheYellowMotor

[@Mark_Tschetter]

This must be the best trucking channel on KZbin.

[@flintcreektransport]

Glad you think so!

[@georgewilson1184]

Very professional manager

[@BonesKitchens]

The emissions are the enemy for sure. Interesting to see yours so low on mpg but the 100k weight may be the equalizer. My T680 has a true year long avg mpg of 6.0 mph with 500hp 3.36 gear and condo roof. However I am never overweight with max at 80k yet usually towards 80k say 76k+. I bought a app that has helped with emissions paid for it self quick when emission issues cam up. It's called OTR Diagnostics. It will get you out of a derate jam. I might not fit the super trucker genera because I love the T680 interior above all other trucks and I like the areo look.

[@Stephen-carr]

Make you cry. My 1993 379 pete 3406c mechanical 63 in stand up pulling a 53 foot refeer in pa wv md oh ny va has a 6 month avg of 5.6 mpg my 96 classic condo with a 12.7 Detroit had a avg of 7 mpg for over a year. Pulling covered wagon

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

I would have thought better then 6 mpg with a newer truck?

[@FutureTruckerDennis]

I pull a 4 axle dump trailer in Ontario around the 130k lbs mark. When I drove a company truck I was getting somewhere around 4.2-4.3 mpg in a 2015 bubble nose Mack. I bought a 379 with a C-15 and on summer fuel I was averaging 4.6 mpg doing the same work. Granted, I drive differently now that I'm paying for fuel. Although you can't argue that aerodynamics aren't a factor, an old pre-emission motor can still hold it's own when compared to newer technology in regards to fuel economy when driven properly. Obviously DEF and emissions system maintenance are a huge factor on new trucks. When I bought my truck I had a few other things in mind as well. Like you said, your drivers always choose the old long hood trucks over the newer ones. I wanted to own a truck that I also wanted to drive. Old trucks are simple, you can usually work on them yourself without having to hook up the laptop to tell you what's wrong with it. The extra space under a long hood is a huge bonus there and can also save you money on shop labour when you're paying somebody to work under the hood. But one big factor people sometimes leave out is resale value. That 2015 heavy spec Mack I was driving was around $200k cnd when new. 5 years later its worth $25-30k. An old 379 or W9 will pretty much sell for what you paid for it as long as you keep it looking good and maintain it.

[@flintcreektransport]

Wise words!!!

[@michaelthayer643]

Have you considered a glider? I know they aren't able to make them anymore,but I see lots of brand new ones for sale on the truck trader sites.Really enjoying your videos. Very down to earth, no bs. Thanks.

[@flintcreektransport]

yes we have several, check out the peterbilt we just got done with this past spring one of my previous videos

[@alrightalrightalright-]

I'm in a 2016 T680 automatic no power at all 450 cummins and 2.84 rears,leased from MHC, I pull a 3axle 55 ton RGN. Even if I have a "light" load around 40k , I'll gross over 80. And this truck gets between 3.9 n 4.3. I came out of a 97 379 525n14 cummins 18spd 3.55 rears,and its mileage was round 5.5.

[@johnfunk6343]

I retired from working for CAT dealer as afield tech on heavy equipment after 30 years. The headaches with the emissions was just way too much. I got so tred of customer being so upset. CAT not having any answers and having a new kenworth service truck that was down all the time because of emissions. So i went in. One day and submitted my early retirement.

[@flintcreektransport]

Yes these new emissions are so frustrating !!!!

[@josefastboats5874]

So sad!!! Even CAT called it quits in the trucking industry...😢😭😭 No more CAT engines offered in new trucks anymore. They said the emissions systems were never gonna let the engines run right anymore... That’s REALLY FUCKING SAD. Al Gor and the DemocRATS nearly destroyed our trucking industry. Hell, most of the old drivers are alreadt retired and there’s not enough new drivers coming in. CAT took there businesses elsewhere to the Construction, Industrial, and Marine sectors where they have a strong following and no emmisions needed on the engines. I don’t blame them.

[@hectorperez-zq3uc]

Just retired mechanic ny sanitation when the emissions came in it was worst for us a lot of stop and go not allowing the truck to regen, I would do two to three manual regens a day. Even mack was frustrated when they came to do warranty work on the emissions

[@RodeoJoe1981]

Call Pittsburgh power for fuel catalyst. Helps a lot. Look into 3.08s. I hear guys are doing well with them with Cummins 565

[@supergrover8305]

I watch a few of the trucking KZbinrs and I like many of them seeing what they do with the trucks but if I were to ever say I was getting into the trucking business this would be the guy to watch, concise precise and to the point. He is to trucking what Steve Jobs was to Cellphones

[@flintcreektransport]

Thankyou !!!

[@earlharman2040]

You’ve got some nice trucks, sir. I sure miss trucking. Just getting too old and too many health problems. Good luck.

[@flintcreektransport]

Thankyou !!!

[@bennett1586]

I run a 2019 T880 daycab with a paccar engine/Eaton 10 speed "automatic" transmission with 3.55s. Truck is used for oilfield applications and has just over 24k miles on it. It's been down twice for emission problems and once for transmission issues all while maintaining a whopping 4.1/4.4 mpg average. These new trucks are complete junk to say the least

[@user-ht4iw8yx3r]

What are you pulling?

[@romeo162006]

If I am in hills I get about 5.9 to 6.2. This includes loaded over the rockies and up and down 77 in Virginia at about 78000 gross. When I get out on the flats dead heading back to load pulling an empty tank I get 9+ so the trip to the tankwash and back to get loaded is cheap in this 576 pete with mx13 in it and supers. Not sure about the ratio sets at 1400 rpm at 65mph. I DO NOT IDLE and the epu keeps me comfortable if I use my curtains right. And I check my tire pressures twice daily if not more when loaded. 1 tire 10 pounds low is .5 mpg or more depending on terrain and avg speed.

[@catliftresearch]

Side by side the drivers will take the W9 everytime.

[@flintcreektransport]

for sure

[@michaelglenning5107]

Try an HHO system with dry cells and sensors control module. It should clean out the emissions system. (HHO-1 & Central Valley HHO). Systems don't interfere with any of the stock ecms or emission systems.

[@Trump985]

I’m the same way as your drivers I go for the older truck every time sure the new trucks are more comfortable and quieter much more luxurious but they will leave you stuck somewhere I will drive an old freightshaker with no ac over a new truck anyday the old truck is a lot more likely to not breakdown and if it does it’s usually something you can fix yourself

[@philherbox4052]

It takes power to move weight and when you are moving over 100k lbs gross aerodynamics really don't matter. You're better off doing a ground up restoration of your older trucks and investing a hundred thousand dollars in going through everything on one truck and not having the downtime and the payment on a new one.

[@flintcreektransport]

Yes. We have done that. And in the process of building another

[@philherbox4052]

@@flintcreektransport I've pulled dump trailers for most of my 30 years on the road and a lot of the northeast and I've seen those new trucks broke down along the highway and there's always an older truck there to pick up the trailer and deliver it and I thought what a waste of time and money to have that new junk and have all those added environmental problems and the regular problems with trucks to begin with.

[@mctransportation9831]

@@philherbox4052the elephant in the room that EPA doesn't talk about is the emmisions created by building another truck to replace newer trucks that are getting junked faster than ever since the new emmisions.

[@johnm5855]

It's all situational he is hauling heavy and low speed mostly so the old timers do better but if you're having 45k or under then t680 can get over 7 mpg and you don't have the emissions issues

[@MrRMT1986]

That 99 K/W is a classic. Don’t you dare sell it!

[@flintcreektransport]

For sure !!! We have quite a few more of them 😉

[@josefastboats5874]

They don’t make em like that no more... big smoke stacks and big power trouble free engines 🇺🇸

[@The_Handies]

My 2020 t680 with mx13 and 12 speed with a 45k load will average 7.5. I run at 70mph.

[@The_Handies]

My old 20 Cascadia with a the DD15 and 12 speed would easily beat this in the average. It would easily hold 8 to 8.5 with the same weight.

[@ehysong]

That was interesting.

[@flintcreektransport]

Thankyou

[@adriandavis9790]

I’ve just read the reviews and we’re getting loads of problems with def as you call it (adblue) we call it in Gt Britain 🇬🇧. Why we tend to get better fuel economy is the difference in the trucks we use . All cabovers as you call them ,we use close coupled trailers so the gap between the trailer and the cab is tight also most trucks have wind defectors ,no double drives except for heavy haulage ,we tend to run on 3 axles for 44 ton use with the 3rd axle being a mid lift or a tag axle which can be lifted when running empty . The truck I drive runs at 44 ton it’s a MAN 400 hp lucky to get 6.5 to the gallon and loads of trouble with the def system. Also we run on 3 axles on our trailers and use super single wheels and tyres and our axles on the trailers are further up the chassis so less drag perhaps you could look at that as a way of getting better fuel consumption other than that love your trucks would swap a MAN for a kenworth any day 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@flintcreektransport]

Interesting... I take it 44 ton is Gross Vehicle Weight loaded? so 88,000? There are some super singles here in the states but more so used in over the road application....

[@adriandavis9790]

Yes 44 ton is our gross weight . I pull a powder tanker and the maximum I can get on is 29.5 tons and then gross out just under 44 tons so always run just under the legal weight limit .so yes most trailers in the UK 🇬🇧 run on 3axles with super singles and all trucks plated for 44 tons must be on 3 axles . Great vlogs 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@ze_german2921]

Aero starting to matter 60mph and above, The new Freightliner Cascadia suppose to get 8.5 to 9mpg

[@ny-reaper-trucker]

I'd love to get my hands on a 99 w900...

[@edwinramirez5850]

The new emissions truck are for long haul because that is how the systems cleans itself too much idle or driving too much on traffic jams it's not good for those trucks that is how you can maximize on the aerodynamic new emissions trucks . If you idle too much or sit in traffic you have to force a regeneration to keep it clean

[@edwu8253]

My first true love was a W9 550 Cat but i ended up marrying a T800 high hood 500 Cummins

[@flintcreektransport]

your slipping bro!!! ;)

[@jamesmcfayden9778]

Yeah these emissions trucks are horrible. I driven a brand new one for a company and the company lease there trucks from penske. Keep in mind I said brand new truck. It already ended up in the shop for emissions system issues 3 times alright and didn't even hit 150 thousand miles yet. What a joke.

[@flintcreektransport]

They are very frustrating

[@josefastboats5874]

I’ll take a Detroit 12.7 Series 60. Indestructible engine. Turned up to 600hp with some big ole 7” smoke stacks

[@edmundsmith7199]

Wonder if a ‘99 T600 with a 2WS would show an appreciable increase? I’m guessing with 100k, that the aero factor may be less significant. Especially since it isn’t a high cube profile like van trailers.

[@flintcreektransport]

i dont think so.... at least not much....

[@connershepherd998]

Emissions are hard on engines as well

[@BillyReed68]

Well, there you go. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I heard these new emissions engines were crap but you really nailed it down. You helped me make up my mind as to whether I should buy a new truck or go with an older pre-emissions engine. I would do a glider but my shop is not set up to do a large engine installation and all the glider shops are backed up for a year. Maybe the virus has given them some catch up time. Maybe not. I'll have to call them and see what's the skinny. Never was a big Cummins fan and I always liked the C15 CAT. If there is such a thing as a bullet proof engine, the C15 is it! All I read in the reports is how NEW Class 8 truck sales are WAY down year over year, over year, over.... No wonder they are off when this is what the owners and the operators see as fact of the matter. Meanwhile, Fitzgerald Gliders can't build them fast enough. Just two cents worth from a bed-bugger of 28 years.

[@stephentaylor1441]

I had a 99 pete 379 with a 475 cat pulling tandem, I got around 7 or so year round. Had to get rid of it, rotted out. Bought a 2015 389 with a paccar, it gets around 6.25 for the year. When they do a regen it must use quite a bit of fuel. The trip computer doesn't take that into consideration. But what do you do? The good old trucks are wearing out.

[@flintcreektransport]

Yea these new trucks are frustrating..... ive been trying to sneak in a glider here and there....ill keep those in good shape !!!

[@jayphillips4058]

The more complexity introduced into a system, the more variables and draw on the system itself. When we started down the emissions road back in the 80s, pieces and parts were tacked on to meet EPA requirements. As electronics became more sophisticated, things got a little better. Now we're trying to burn diesel and exhaust rainbows and rose blossoms. The complexity required to attempt that is sufficient to make a diesel motor unreliable and expensive to own and fix. So you can douse that pig in all the marketing perfume you want, but at the end of the day, it's real-world performance/experience that puts those double dashes on the bottom line.

[@winningRus]

This may not be comparable, but I'm running 2021 quad axle dump trucks. They short haul, one is 5.5 MPG and another is 5.8 MPG. Less than 50k miles apiece. I'll let you know later this year, I have another 2022 quad coming.

[@flintcreektransport]

What motor ?

[@Mycrazyadventur91]

Well that's the issue, you're pulling super heavy and in the hills... no truck will get above 6mpg in that situation.

[@flintcreektransport]

Yes we haul heavy. Def not a lot of hills in this area though. Some of our trucks do run out of state

[@Mycrazyadventur91]

@@flintcreektransport right on! I'm in a 2020 w900, it has the X15 565 hp... I'm able to push out 5.8 to 6.4 mpg... it has the 86" studio sleeper on it... I'm not sure what the gear ratio is but I'm sure it's not anything like yours!

[@codyfolsom365]

Engine size makes a difference as well work a smaller engine as hard as a big one it will burn more fuel

[@anthonyguyton8258]

Go to the Detroit Diesel I hate those new emission motors regenting waste time I do dump truck work lots of sitting hope you have a good Monday

[@akilghosh]

Denzel Washington?

[@flintcreektransport]

😂

[@billsussman1073]

Denzel meets Barack 🤜🏾 I'd work for ya. Nice fleet sir. Wish you were in VA.

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

I have no idea what you haul, with those numbers it's got to be heavy. But I'm convinced, a good driver, in a truck that is built to do the specific job is going to be comparable to a new truck as far as fuel milage. There are other channels that will argue, but I still think the way a truck is set up, and a driver that knows how to driver for fuel economy, you're better off with an older pre emissions truck.

[@ny-reaper-trucker]

The t680 get better fuel economy because it's all ways broke down. I owned a 14 t680 nothing but regen issues... 26,000 in repairs just in the regen.... that truck put me back as a company driver...

[@flintcreektransport]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Sorry for the bad luck!! I think you have a better chance of making more money right now as a company driver

[@billmixon106]

I personally wouldn't go higher than 3:55 if you are in the mountains unless you have a big motor. 3:36 gears are pretty tall gears for hauling heavy

[@flintcreektransport]

Its not super hilly here in upstate NY actually quite flat

[@billmixon106]

@@flintcreektransport hear in Texas we have hills and hauling 100000 plus it's not bad but the 3:55s don't pull down as much. They are fun to play with

[@cbradiomizfit7562]

So the t680 avg was about 4.6 mpg, and w900 avg just under 5mpg. Not bad

[@tonecapone2768]

2018 Peterbilt 579 paccar mx avg 7.7 pulling 15k to 43k. one year in, not one problem with def.. but then I have a apu and i never idle..

[@flintcreektransport]

I’ve heard good about the paccar motor....

[@tonecapone2768]

@@flintcreektransport Only problem if you have Issue you have to go to the dealer , but without a doubt I'll pick it over a dd15 and Volvo...

[@edmundsmith7199]

@@tonecapone2768 MX 13, 500 hp? Wonder how it would do pulling 100k? I know a guy in Iowa who has a mixed fleet of pre-emission engines. DDEC, Cat etc. he said when grossing 96k that nothing got much over 4.5

[@tonecapone2768]

@@edmundsmith7199 if I even try to pull 100.. I think the paccar would jump out Transformer to a human and smack the taste out my mouth.. cat all the way 💪

[@paulborys9677]

Nice rant :-) LOL

[@carolrose2833]

I've started trucking in 1979. Now I am retired. I have been watching the trucking industry from behind this computer. It does look bleak. It's sad. However, I think i may have caught a promising solution to this dilemma. On board hydrogen generators! The units generate hydrogen on demand. Oxygen is also produced. Without going into all the details on how this works, I'll cut to the chase. Both Oxygen and hydrogen are introduced into the air inlet, and into the combustion chamber. More power is produced. The process also has a cleaning effect on the engine. The def filters start to run clean. If I understand this correctly, the re-gen becomes unnecessary. SO, you no longer have to delete the def to get better service from the engine, nor do you have to be concerned about getting caught, because nothing was bypassed or disconnected. The truck is still legal. Just run the truck like it came from the dealer. It MAY be unnecessary to put def fluid in the def tank. All this results in 10 to 35 percent increase in fuel mileage. And emissions are way down. This has been out now for at least 10 years, i think. This could be tried on a "guinea pig" truck, and watched closely for the results. I enjoy all your presentations, and will subscribe.

[@flintcreektransport]

Interesting...

[@Zugzzzwang]

Hey, I have a question for you.. I’m looking to get into pneumatics.. I’m stuck on what truck to get between w900 or something more aero dynamic.. the company I’m leasing too I can’t have an older model truck has to be 5 year or newer when first leasing on.. I’ll be running 80k gross.. I want a w900 of course but I’m worrying about fuel mileage.. any suggestions?

[@flintcreektransport]

Aerodynamics play a smaller part than correct gearing and engine choices. Those are most important …..see the video I did comparing a t680 to a w900.

[@ericevotive]

Sir, could I get your opinion. I'm a brand new trucker, considering between a W900 and T680... now, I'm on the west coast and will be driving a lot in CA. They say you have to have emissions trucks. But, I see lots of old W900 rolling in CA. If I were to buy an older 900, what do you have to do to get them up to speed on emissions, etc.?

[@flintcreektransport]

I have a hunch they could be licensing those trucks out of state to get around the law …. I wouldn’t recommend putting emissions on a older truck !! If you buy a new truck remember it can still be in the shop for a few weeks or month waiting on parts …. If ur just getting into it maybe a short term lease from Ryder. They will guarantee u a truck ….. so if 1 goes down just swap it out …… I will say the newer trucks are more reliable but still have issues !

[@dustinfaries493]

If you're getting crappy fuel mileage it's not because of the truck it's because of the driver

[@flintcreektransport]

I think crappy would be considered average for these Cummins engines ….

[@braddalton9260]

Aftermarket can help with emissions problems research it

[@josefastboats5874]

Yeah, just either completely delete the emissions system, or swap in a pre emission engine ( A VERY popular choice ). Okay the reality, nobody wants the new trucks anymore.

[@Hazmatt3446]

Love the video, Boss-Dude. Once one gets over 455 hp, the emissions go bad quickly. Just too much particulate per unit time on the given filtration medium. Add the heavy loads and it’s a recipe for disaster. Since 2010 the emission engines have been lower on economy. I have a 2017 Cascadia DD15. I run reefer, probably average 77k almost all loaded miles. My MPG is 7.1 on a manual 10. I’m going automatic next time around to get the extra 1.5 - 2mpg. Don’t think a manual/automatic would survive a year under your applications. I feel for you heavy operators and I hope at some point they drop this after treatment crap. I’m certainly not telling you things you don’t know, but you will probably have to insert a complete after treatment system replacement every 350-400k. Cha-chiiiiing!!! Have you done a video on the ramifications for your fleet due to any proposed carbon-credit legislation? I’m dreading it.

[@flintcreektransport]

It seems that since Covid a lot of things got put on hold as well as the previous administration was supportive of truckers ... now I expect a lot to change in the industry ..... unfortunately .... and many changes will be hard !!

[@apolloniaaskew9487]

Aerodynamic trucks CANNOT do every job. They are good for hauling box trailers, and gasoline tankers. Carlisle Transpotation on Ice Road Truckers is a prime example. They use only Kenworth W900 and T800. The emissions engine and technology is the primary reason Caterpillar got out of the trucking business for new trucks. The new truck engines are making money for the towing companies .In the winter,if you try to warm up an aerodynamic truck, it can catch fire due to the tons of plastic parts and more sensors than on an early model 747.

[@flintcreektransport]

Yes for sure !!!

[@jodiholbrook3229]

8.5MPG average on the 2019 Volvo 860 I drive, 455HP / IShift 12sp. Pulling a reefer loaded between 75/79000 lbs, mainly in the Midwest, southeast, SC, NC, VA and CO.

[@flintcreektransport]

Interesting !!

[@jimmahaffey9375]

I drove walking floor garbage trucks 105 thousand and empty one way..about 5 mpg,..old School c15 Cat...I think heavy haul trucks should have maximum horsepower engine settings. Lower settings won't give you added mileage and are irritating to drive.

[@El.Pelavacas_Van-Lines]

What battery box did you get to replace the original?

[@flintcreektransport]

Custom shop in pa

[@keithmccook2601]

A friend has a 2020 Mack Antherm. It has 53,000 it gets 7mpg with 80,000. Unloaded it is getting 9mpg so far.

[@flintcreektransport]

Interesting .....

[@philherbox4052]

I have an uncle who has a 2020 Anthem and he runs new England to Ohio two or three rounds a week pulling a flatbed and always 80k ➕ and he's never gotten over 5.3 mpg. Your friend is either full of shit or runs a lot of flat ground but I'm betting that he's got stinky underwear.

[@ironhorse127]

@@philherbox4052 Unnecessary calling the guy a liar. Great you telling us your milage, but no need to talk the stinky stuff.

[@philherbox4052]

@@ironhorse127 Can you say that with anymore of a lisp?

[@craigj.651]

@@philherbox4052 one of them drives faster than the other

[@notroexpress407]

Pre emissions enjines get just as good mpg and have less junk on them to go wrong. Keep fixing the older trucks dude,it's a more economically viable route. Keep on trucking !

[@flintcreektransport]

For sure....

[@Mr_Clean]

Me ever since 2015: "what's that light mean?"

[@flintcreektransport]

Lol !!!

[@lancelane217]

Nicely done!

[@flintcreektransport]

Thankyou

[@Hitekkleotruckings]

i told people that i rather most old trucks than new trucks old cat n14 detroit 60 and dd15

[@joshweiser7737]

Fuel efficiency doesn't mean squat if they are not running right. When your having emissions issues you can just say goodbye too the fuel economy

[@arrowkart4j]

I'll take a Pre-emission engine all day long.

[@joshuaferguson1541]

ive got a 21 haul dry van no overweight and get 6mpg flat 2.41 rears 12 speed auto 505hp Detroit its horrendous

[@josephhammonds3185]

W900 all day. #1

[@flintcreektransport]

For sure !!!

[@ny-reaper-trucker]

I live in utica ny and work for a company out of marcy.

[@flintcreektransport]

Nice. You are only 2 hours away !!

[@Jdigger4130]

Man you must run heavy and lotsa shifts... Buddies 579 MX13 at 500 did no better than his w9 w 565.X15 too! Both 18 spd and 355s. Sadly here in Ca aint happening you're DEF compliant and we have hills 336s no good around here

[@lhr1701]

If you get rid of the emissions you would have better MPg and more power . To bad that is illegal to do it .

[@Baddonation22]

all owner operator trucks have it deleted

[@Baddonation22]

or at least most

[@kenmunneke4540]

Ran a 680 with a MX-13/13 speed/3 55 rears. Now running W900B with MX-13/18 speed/3 55 rears. Pulling average 130,000#'s with the same trailer. The 680's 60 day average=4.87 and the W900B' s 60 day average =6.41. Go figure!

[@flintcreektransport]

I’m hoping to get a Mx motor sometime. I’ve heard a lot of good about them

[@nickjones2596]

Glider kits have you tried them I understand a lot of independence when they buy new trucks they buy glider kits so that they can have a new truck that is also pre-mission I just curious if you've tried that also nice to see somebody that understands there's a whole lot more to fuel mileage than just the style of the truck

[@flintcreektransport]

Yes i did a few videos on them.... we have several gliders

[@n.l.7308]

I just better keep my old pete. 5.5 to 6.5 mpg. I was going to sell it but it doesn't make any sense.

[@romeo162006]

You guys hating the emissions trucks need to read the manual. If you idle them your supposed to do a manual regen on all of them BEFORE driving off. Of course guidance for that id engine specific.

[@kkenoocconner9004]

U NEED UR DRIVERS TO HAVE AN EDUCATED RIGHT FOOT , I HAVE 91 T600 18913A ,342 , 02 ISX 600 ,I HAVE HAULDED HEAVY ,6FIGURS , 40FT BUCKET , 5, TO 6MPGS , BUT UR IN MOUNTIAN, HILL TERRIAN , SO,MPG BETTER IS HARD TO DO!!!

[@yvondubinsky9072]

Being you don't talk about what you haul and you only talk about weight there are a lot of variables as fuel millage. Also the 2016 was at the very beginning of the new def system. No truck is going to get good fuel millage if you are at 100k and oversize. Also what millage are you servicing the def system, the gearing may be the same but I doubt the rest of the w900 and the T680 are the same as far as the Chases. The T680 was designed to be an over the road truck hauling van trailers, not over sized heavy loads. Also idling has a huge effect of fuel millage on the new trucks, as it effects them a lot more than the old trucks as far as the DEF system goes. I personally wouldn't have gotten a T680 for you application. I also would have an APU on the truck so they don't idle any more that they absolutely have to. Would be nice if you would give a little more information on what kind of trailers you haul, and not just weight.

[@flintcreektransport]

It’s hard to fit everything in one video. But we have almost every type of trailer ..... check out some of the other videos .... I ordered the t680. Both had 8 bag suspension ..... also the t680 was a lease truck as well .... so they service it ..... every 40kmiles

[@carmiethompson2676]

What gets me about all this emission crap is that the engine mfr's. are trying to design cheap instead of designing for the long haul. The 'Green' infected EPA is the biggest issue. The 'environmentalists' as they like to call themselves, don't know what they're talking about but Earth is going to be destroyed if they(& they mean us) don't do something right now. Except they don't specify what that something is. Just give them your money & they'll think of something. All this emissions hysteria is costing jobs, making consumer goods more expensive & we won't make a dent in the climate. Good video, Thanks.

[@flintcreektransport]

Agreed 100 percent.

[@dwightsalter2394]

I hate this emission control crap it’s killing the motors. They want last to a million miles like the ones before.

[@caaguilar82]

I’ve seen several MX 13s over a million miles already. One with 1,226,000. Not as mighty as the Cummins but more durable. That B10 rating may be true after all. That’s regular highway trucks though. I doubt they may do as well in heavy haul applications such as these.

[@susansullivan9255]

Not being funny, but if your mpg is that bad on your trucks then there's two problems. Use another engine manufacturer, secondly it could well be a driver issue. Just a thought, and also European trucks are regulated by the emissions laws as well , and to be honest the truck im is running at 44 tons and ive had no issues with emissions equipment fitted to my Scania , plus im still getting between 8 and 10 to the gallon loaded . In fact many haulage firms here are getting the same mpg to be honest. As for Cummins engines they might have a good reputation for reliability but unfortunately the same can't be said for fuel economy.

[@flintcreektransport]

Interesting, Do you guys have to add DEF fluid etc.... the mega fleets here that are over the road might be getting 7-9 on good days but thats with 12 liter motors etc......also just to be clear this is miles to the gallon ... not kilometers....

[@vroor32]

I think this is a driver problem. When u give drivers "large cars" they will goose them up all day. I run 500hp 12.7L Detroit S60 (pre-emissions) and I still get 7.2mpg @ 65-80k lbs reefer with speed pegged at 65mph. I don't race to the top of the hill, and I don't run it under 1500rpm. Rear ends are 3.73

[@derekvandyke5132]

Thats why when I get my w900 one day im deleting the emissions system and def its not worth it and its been proven companies use the emissions crap to make engines crappier and its not right

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

You need to look at a glider.

[@aaronmiller8873]

what about a t680 as a glider?

[@flintcreektransport]

It’s actually a Ryder lease. Going back in sept....

[@aaronmiller8873]

@@flintcreektransport I meant like ordering a t680 as a glider you get the newer truck with no emissions.

[@flintcreektransport]

@@aaronmiller8873 Oh KW stopped making gliders.... due to epa regulations

[@CityRiggsTruckingLLC]

I live in VA are y’all hiring?

[@flintcreektransport]

Locally we will in the spring

[@bigbossman5969]

the emissions garbage is doing all the newer diesel engines in. thanks epa

[@7USARMoorish]

Just get a baking soda, vinegar and hydrogen peroxide and it will increase your mhg from older trucks to new trucks and you don't have to reduce your speed to get better mhg and take 1 tsp spoon of baking soda, two small top cap vinegar, and 1/4 hydrogen peroxide and mixed it up or shake it up and start spraying it in and outside on the air filter because it will increase the h2o with the diesel injection and the driver will feel the gas paddle feel real light not heavy and your bottom line will increase in profits 💰💰💰💰💰💰 and let me know if you want me to show you and i get 850 miles on 1/2 half on my dashboard fuel reader 💰💰💰 and I still have a half way to go before empty

[@jayydamour4195]

What’s the name of your fleet can I bring my own truck

[@flintcreektransport]

Flint creek transport ?

[@jayydamour4195]

Nice 👍🏿

[@thomaslee4725]

We know it's the old school come on just then now I'm not saying that you ever will buy a electric truck butruck but I would like to know how it wouldn't affect the bottom line how it would affect how far you can go and what you can do with what you do Would it be even feasible to even look in by electric trucks your trucks or you're gonna get pushed out or how does that going to work I know New York in California in California have some of the craziest practiced laws on the books books right along with Texas Have a good day

[@flintcreektransport]

I’ll have info on electric trucks coming up ….. stay tuned !!!

[@thomaslee4725]

@@flintcreektransport You're such a class act I wish everybody in the industry could be like you I wish plenty of the other company companies could be like years in the regards of trucks trucks just the way you hold yourself in general the way you run your business in general and the American dream God-bless you

[@flintcreektransport]

@@thomaslee4725 Thankyou ….. by the grace of God …..

[@dougstadel9310]

My 98 KW W900 all rebuilt drive train ,I get offers 70-100k,Won't sell till I Quit

[@flintcreektransport]

Wow ..... yea you got a keeper !!!

[@zeussingh5111]

@@flintcreektransport never sell it pls

[@derrickwilliams8634]

Get them deleated end of emissions crap. $1300

[@TheGd2812]

If u doing 100000 loads n making big money than fuel mileage should be least of ur concerns imo, its not the correct parameter for wannabe oos like me or current oos

[@flintcreektransport]

Big money and trucking shouldn’t be in the same sentence ..... 😜

[@TheGd2812]

@@flintcreektransport hey look u r a carrier n I can't say that u r lying but pulling heavy loads for cheap is not a good idea n u look way smarter , I would say any wannabe oo can make 2500 minimum profit b4 taxes if he did loads for average 2$ per mile with a brand new truck with payment of 3000 monthly so I have no clue what u talking about, yes its not big money for 1 dude but I was talking about a person pulling heavy loads n has a fleet, if u r not making big money then please tell me y not, what r ur costs fixed/variable n what ur average rate per mile revenue n than I can take ur word 🤔