Kershaw Natrix Copper Lost Detent

I had inadvertently found this issue that was also being had by some others. This is a knife that many of us were waiting about 8 months for. There are some minor things I don't like and one thing that I feel might be an engineering issue.
Let me know in the comments as far as what you think for what I found if you might be carrying this knife left handed or without the pocket clip.
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[@BazonBlades]

Definitely a thing with the copper Natrix. There needs to be an actual locating pin for the sub-framelock, rather than using the pocket clip screws. I will also be covering this issue with my in depth review. Or maybe a disassembly video.

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks for watching and covering the information. I hadn't seen this information on prior videos. For most of the users it would go unnoticed, but for lefties and for silly folks like me that wanted an even finish for the patina. 😁

[@BazonBlades]

@@BladeBanter, I noticed it right away after doing an initial disassembly and cleaning. Total loss of detent is a pretty big issue IMO. Kershaw will definitely need to address this issue.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah I'll be sending mine back in to see what they think but from recent experience it will be about a month or so before I get it back. Although I don't see what they could correct the current batch other than providing spare lock screws which are a little shorter than the clip ones.

[@BazonBlades]

@@BladeBanter, yeah.....No way to correct the first batch short of extra clip screws.

[@Cannibal_Actual]

Looking forward to it baz

[@jerrymillett3895]

That’s just nuts

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah exchanged it and it's been working.

[@dzlfreek]

just a thought, why not remove the second screw and move it to the outbound pocket clip hole? So you have a screw in the 1 and 4 holes.....does that make sense? That way the sub frame lock is fastened to the furthest holes and that load is less likely to shift. give it a try, see if it makes a diff.

[@BladeBanter]

Makes sense not sure could be the fix that's needed. I exchanged for a new one that is working correctly, but not a bad idea, would need to take a look.

[@dzlfreek]

@@BladeBanter im going to have to buy one of these just to test my theory...

[@BladeBanter]

Simple fix too.

[@shaggy_e210]

You would think that the engineering behind it would be better since they're also ZT... Makes me question how zt makes their products

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah I ended up exchanging it and don't have the issue with the new one. But yes very odd for anyone left handed or wanting to carry the knife with no clip.

[@christopherphillips2708]

Yep, mine had the same issue.

[@BladeBanter]

It's such an odd issue that I was surprised to find.

[@maxxpacks]

FIx- Get 2 more screws...DAH

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah or make it where the pocket clip screws don't anchor the sub frame lock.

[@oldfool2635]

You found a scary wart and exposed it in an honest manner, good on you. Thx One to avoid. End users should not be Beta testers.

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks hope there is a generation 2 run.

[@richard66754]

My Natrix is perfect. It’s already worn in and developed a patina. You probably shouldn’t have fucked with it.😆

[@BladeBanter]

Great that yours had worked out I'm happy with it now that I was able to exchange it and messed with it further. I removed the back spacer and enlarged the lock bar release.

[@eraserfred406]

Something annoying with every kershaw i own. The blur rattles, the 7777 needs a bigger flipper to deal with its wicked detent. This copper natrix gaff is typical unfortunately

[@BladeBanter]

The blur just needs some grease as the speedsafe bar is rattling. But yes annoying.

[@BladeBanter]

Disassemble, and there is a cover plate that houses the assist. Open that and you can clean that area and you will be able to see the contact points where it rubs. Grease and reassemble. Rattle should be gone. There are a bunch of videos out there you would be able to find by a quick speedsafe disassembly video.

[@eraserfred406]

Blade Banter thanks!!

[@ScottieG59]

Thanks for sharing this issue. I had not realized that the lock was secured by 4 screws, 2 of which are used for the pocket clip in right hand carry. Initially, I was concerned with screws in the soft copper. This also means, while right hand carry anchors the pocket clip screws in steel, left hand carry only anchors the screws only in soft copper.

[@BladeBanter]

Yes that's where I'm thinking left hand carry was an after thought. Can't confirm but regarding your concern that's my guess.

[@nebulamask81]

Well that sucks. If they're having SO many returns, maybe they should up their QC instead of making the customers pay more when they get a faulty knife >.>

[@BladeBanter]

Will see how this resolves. I'll be sending the knife out soon.

[@zachstuff]

Nice find! No left handed engineers at Kershaw?

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah will see how it resolves. Baz on Blades was going to cover the information too.

[@JediJunkie247]

Probably not that many southpaw there. Which is disappointing being a lefty myself. I've pre-ordered the Bareknuckle and guess I'll have to leave the clip set for right-handed carry.

[@BladeBanter]

It seems to be an issue with some models as I exchanged the one I had and I can use it without a pocket clip now. Probably an issue in working with copper which is a softer material.

[@zachstuff]

Blade Banter glad to hear they are working the bugs out!

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah seems like it would have been nice to get a free bareknuckle though. 😁

[@rbs1889]

Damn... good luck with this. I hope it works out fine for you. Good to bring this info to the knife community! 👍👍👍👍

[@menacewithaknife4045]

I'm left handed so I'm glad my Bareknuckle don't have the problem.

[@BladeBanter]

Good I ended up having to exchange this one and did some modifications to it.

[@BigRedEDC]

Very surprised this issue made it past the QC. Definitely an engineering issue!

[@BladeBanter]

Will see how things go with the Warranty department.

[@brucehunt9905]

This is the worst knife I’ve bought in years

[@BladeBanter]

The one I exchanged is okay but not fantastic.

[@GratefulPanick]

Well that's definitely disappointing! That made my decision for on whether or not to buy this knife! Thank you for the heads up on this, David!!

[@BladeBanter]

Of course thanks for watching.

[@curtcoffee]

I thought the detent on my Kershaw 7006CU Copper Natrix was too tight and could not be deployed using the flipper. Turns out that due to its small size I was squeezing the sub-frame bar too hard. Moved my grip so not to do that and all is good now. I'm told that in 2019 Kershaw will start charging $7 for warranty returns.

[@BladeBanter]

Yes that charge was announced on their site, hopefully you would be able to work with the retailer, or you could back out the frame screws slightly to reduce tension. The one I exchanged it for is working currently, thanks for sharing your experience.

[@nathanthomas4630]

I have the same issue with mine, I wasn’t sure if the knife just needed to broke in. I give these suggestions a try when I get home thanks!

[@BladeBanter]

I added a small detent ball ramp seems to have made a difference. I can have my fingers on the bar and it doesn't make the deployment harder.

[@BrianMiller1973]

Update?

[@BladeBanter]

I ended up exchanging it for a new one and did some other modifications there is a newer video for this knife that I posted with the modifications. Do you have one? How do you like it?

[@OLMmedic]

Thats crazy. Who would have thought

[@BladeBanter]

Not me I was just being silly and wanting the scale to patina the same, and found that.

[@maddawgjones]

Man mine is stupid hard to open and usually have to use two hands to open it

[@BladeBanter]

You might have an issue with the sub liner lock moving a little where it is sinking too far into the detent hole. Some are difficult where you even breath on the bar it is difficult. Are you right hand carry or left as that could be an issue as well. I added a small ramp for the detent where I can have my finger on the sub frame lock and still be able to deploy.

[@maddawgjones]

I’m right handed and I believe even if I think about the detent it just sinks too far lol and idk what I should begin honestly

[@BladeBanter]

@@maddawgjones If you open the blade and then close it without making contact with the sub frame lock and the detent is still too hard to flip then there is an alignment issue. There could be slight adjustment but the best option might be to send it in or return to the retailer.

[@maddawgjones]

Dang I ordered it from amazon though and trying to talk to the retailer from amazon is always hard

[@BladeBanter]

@@maddawgjones Darn normally Amazon is good with service. Other option is Kershaw with $7 return shipping.

[@chessplayer1000]

Thank you. I was getting ready to buy this knife a decided to go with another brand.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah it was a little odd I have since exchanged it and it's working, but still did some modifications to make it work better.

[@pop4803]

That's disappointing considering how many people anticipated this release. Just when kershaw seemed to be on an upsurge they dropped the ball. Hope they'll make it right for customers quickly.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah they have been good about it. I exchanged mine and some folks were getting free bare knuckles. I was not so lucky.

[@JOMO_EDC]

I’ve never seen a knife with so many issues right out of the box. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone who got one that likes it.

[@BladeBanter]

It's too bad well there is still the Barenuckle.

[@polton00]

love mine, only problem I had was similar to this however I did more disassembly and tinkering so I take full responsibility, detent was a little to strong out the box, fixed now and although the detent ball doesn't fully seat now, the detent is perfect for spydie flicks and flips fine normally if you do it like you mean it. Thanks for the video tho and goodluck man, I hope it comes back likeable

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks for the comment mine will be heading out to the Warranty department this next week.

[@BladeBanter]

Once exchanged the new one is working properly.

[@polton00]

@@BladeBanter awesome, glad to hear that. Get that patina goin

[@rcampbell595]

Have you tried just putting the screws in for the pocket clip without the clip?

[@BladeBanter]

I hadn't as it would do the trick. I exchanged it and the new one is working.

[@rcampbell595]

@@BladeBanter just checking Wish I could get it here Ready to go home lol

[@BladeBanter]

Where is it that you can't get it? It's a decent knife just a let down a bit after the wait.

[@rcampbell595]

@@BladeBanter living in Burlington Ontario Canada. I'm from the Carolina area though

[@BladeBanter]

Ahh yeah heard the import of knives was pretty strict.

[@bladecentered2264]

That's so weird, why would they make the pocket clip a part of the lock bar especially if it's reversible!

[@BladeBanter]

Almost wonder if it was a last-minute adjustment adjustment where it was designed right hand. The left hand clip orientation is threaded into the copper scale with no inserts or backers.

[@stoneblue1795]

Even Kershaw's USA made stuff always seems to be some level of "compromise". Meaning, being stuck with some engineering short coming much like you have shared here. WTF Kershaw.

[@BladeBanter]

This one was in the held folder. They definitely know how to be profitable I have yet to own a ZT

[@f1yerondirt]

I removed the clip and luckily didn’t have the detent issue. My fingers are callus and the flipper tab still tears my finger up also. The action on mine felt super gritty and when I took it apart to clean it I found that when they assembled it they tightened the pivot so hard that it dented the steel washers causing the grittiness. After some filing of the flipper tab and polishing the washers I’m relatively happy with the knife.

[@BladeBanter]

Oh good to know I had the same issue with the stainless bearing washers we're indented.

[@f1yerondirt]

Blade Banter the idea of the knife is great but even after all these months when you finally get one in hand it feels rushed.

[@BladeBanter]

What other things do you feel could have been done differently, as you agree about the gimping on the tab. Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

[@f1yerondirt]

Blade Banter I think the majority of the issues are in the machining process. By looking at my example the flipper gimping isn’t cut evenly and the end of the tab is like a razor blade, they had to tighten the pivot so tight (causing the dented washers)because the cutout for the captive pivot is machined too small and the issue you have with the lock bar moving is because the cut out in the scale for the bar is waaay too big.

[@pootnannies]

the sub-frame lock needs the screws from the pocket clip to lock up properly or else it's too loose. the other Natrix models are much more secured in that area, it's just the small copper version. if you're still having issues you can risk bending the frame lock ever so slightly.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah that is an issue with some models I removed the pocket clip and the sub frame lock wasn't stable enough to function. That would be the same issue for folks who would carry left handed. I was able to exchange it and the replacement is working.

[@mattgericke4537]

I've not had an issue with mine and it's setup for left hand carry. The back spacer keeps the liner firmly in the scales at the back of the knife regardless of which side the clip is on. Yes there are holes in the liner on both sides, however my guess was it was never intended to act as a frame lock stabilizer. That would lead me to assume in your case the frame lock is just out of spec a bit.

[@BladeBanter]

Probably so seems hit and miss as others had the same issue as mine. Thanks glad yours is working.

[@polton00]

I took the screws out for the lockbar while the knife was still together, set the lockbar so the detent was fully seated then tightened it down, seems to lock much better now

[@BladeBanter]

Good probably makes for a much more enjoyable knife.

[@polton00]

Hopefully it works for others who have already disassembled the knife, still no excuse for the design flaw but I feel much better now and am loving the knife, thanks and good luck again

[@stevenkoltenuk7381]

I wrote Kai for two extra screws to move the clip for lefty carry. The knife is due to be delivered on Wed. Will see if maintaining 4 screws on the sub frame lock makes a difference...

[@BladeBanter]

Should work properly once you set the other two screws.

[@snakrut]

I had been thinking of purchasing this knife as I really like the regular Natrix but as i am left handed I guess i'll have to wait until the issue is resolved.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah 2nd run or right off the bat will need two extra lock bar screws. There are some that haven't had the issue, but I'm assuming they would develop the issue with only the two lock bar screws.

[@jameslafarlette8534]

kershaw has nice looking knives with poor execution. Ive had so many poor quality kershaws i will not buy another.

[@BladeBanter]

Even though it is one of their old models the Skyline still has a place for me. That was my first knife I purchased when starting into the hobby.

[@williamthomas5780]

Agreed.

[@ScottBondradioflier]

Hard to understand how they let this slip past their QC. The Natrix is not a new design for Kershaw. I have never heard of this issue with the other versions of it. I like the idea of copper scales that will naturally patina but that big steel lock bar takes away from the overall look IMO. I hope you get yours sorted out. Good luck and thanks for sharing with the rest of us!

[@BladeBanter]

Your welcome, it was a bit disappointing I hope that it can be resolved quickly too, and hopefully not too many issues from the design.

[@bladecentered2264]

You should sent it back to them setup for left hand carry

[@AverageDE]

good idea. That way they can't accidentally overlook the issue. If it was right hand, they may think it's fine.

[@BladeBanter]

That's actually a good idea will probably do that. I'll see it in a month or so.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah I'll probably do that.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah I'll probably do that.

[@paulhughes3961]

I was going to get this knife but you are not the only one that is having problems. I hope the large Natrix doesn't have these problems.

[@BladeBanter]

Seems to be an issue with the Copper, but the one I exchanged works properly. Possibly a tolerance issue.

[@efcruzado]

Wow, that’s very disappointing. Especially after waiting all those months for them to perfect the knife. I’m good with the CF model. It has its flaws, too.

[@BladeBanter]

There are going to be, I feel that once you get to $150 and up there shouldn't be fit and finish issues. That opinion might change but that's my current mentality.

[@evile19]

Are the newer ones, like the larger 7007cu having these issues?

[@BladeBanter]

I haven't heard much about the larger versions but it's possible. If you end up picking one up, keep me updated.

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

Thanks for the info !! Lucky for me im right handed. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah no issue as that pocket clip is staying put.

[@Robert_Fiori]

Mine sometimes rattles with blade closed(retracted), which might indicate the detent ball is not seating correctly. I did disassemble the knife, and thought I’d put the bearings in incorrectly. So I flipped the bearings, but no difference.

[@BladeBanter]

I was able to correct that by loosening the lock bar screws and in the closed position seat the ball and push in and toward the back of the knife and retighten.

[@paulrayl9470]

That's a massive engineering flaw. Definitely should have designed that better.

[@BladeBanter]

It seems it is the same design for prior models. The Copper as a material might have added a factor that wasn't considered.

[@paulrayl9470]

@@BladeBanter could be because the copper is softer

[@SteveKluver]

Wow! Well this is no good. I was excited about this knife, but didn't pre-order it. When the first one showed up. I was then reminded, as to why I didn't pre-order it. This thing is just too small for me. So, I am able to dodge this issue. I will be getting the Bareknuckle though. I probably would have done exactly the same thing. Taking off the clip, and let it patina more evenly, for awhile. This whole time they were in delay mode, working on the patina. No one at Kershaw bothered to take one apart, and play with it? These folks, need to get people like us involved more. How is that we have to be the ones, to figure this stuff out right away? Grrr . . . Happy Thanksgiving! Baz will have one apart for us tomorrow. We'll all meet there again. : - )

[@BladeBanter]

In deed I'll probably reach out to them to see if they would like to be involved in the pass around group, although most brands send production knives and not their prototypes, other than Bestech. Hopefully it gets resolved quickly as the initial fix would be ordering 2 more lock body screws. I would love to see a knife before it's finalized. I've found the folks over at Yobo Tool to be open to suggestions so will see.

[@SteveKluver]

Agreed, @@BladeBanter. Did you mention in this video, if you thought the screws were longer, than what would be *needed* , when moving over to the left side? If you did. I missed it.

[@BladeBanter]

That is something I didn't mention as the screws would be the correct length if using with the pocket clip. There is a total of 4 screws on the clip side the two lower ones are a tad shorter and would need those to have it work left handed or without the pocket clip.

[@SteveKluver]

Well I'm having a little trouble, getting my head wrapped completly around this issue, @@BladeBanter. I'll watch the video again, later. And learn more, during tomorrow's Baz video. But is what I was thinking, as to the screw length. Is not how long they are, or I should say, how far they go in. When a clip is not used on the left side. But when a clip is used, when going lefty. If I'm following this correctly? When the clip is mounted right-side. Those screws pull double-duty. In order to do that. They have to be longer (going through the clip, scales, and into the lock-bar), than what would be needed, on the non-lockbar side. Which tells me. When going left, with the clip. The screws then poke in a little too far? Which of course has nothing to do with the dentent. But may point to more numbness, on Kershaw's part. Maybe though. They made the scale slightly thicker on the show side, to make up for the screw length needed, on the other side?

[@rockets4kids]

How come your pocket clip doesn't line up even with the cutout in the frame? In other videos I've seen it does line up centered with the groove in the frame.

[@BladeBanter]

I noticed that it was readjusted center. I have since exchanged that one so the new Natrix Cooper seems to be working properly.

[@VelcroCross]

Just screw the screws back into the holes. If you’re left handed you’re SOL though.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah soon to be a tolerance issue exchanged it and the new one is working.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

There's another engineering issue. Your hands stink like shit from the copper after using it lol.

[@BladeBanter]

You knew what you were getting into with that one though.

[@davidh0159]

I'm at a loss to understand how removing the pocket clip constitutes opening the knife. That means any left-hander out there, or any righty who wanted to carry this as a secondary knife on the left side, is essentially voiding their warranty. I don't think so. Fail. As was the Atmos. Everyone liked it, but the two I got had so much blade play when closed it was ridiculous.

[@BladeBanter]

I feel it was a misunderstanding in what I was referring to. They were probably thinking how does removing the pocket clip affect the detent. But exactly how does removing the pocket clip affect detent.

[@davidh0159]

@@BladeBanter Coming from a Customer Service background, I guess you always have to be wary when a customer says that what they did should not have affected the device. In this case, it shouldn't. I feel the two screws that are left holding the lock frame are just a little too close to accurately hold it where it needs to be. Tolerances for the detent are very small and any deviation can throw it off. That is what we see here. Remove the clip, and the lock bar is able to move the slightest bit, throwing it off. If the screws were a bit further apart, they might be able to anchor it successfully.

[@alittleolder]

I heard a lot about you new sub. HI Edit: Oh and thanks for the video because I was gonna order it. I did videos on both the original and the CF and I really wanted this one but now I'll wait and see how things work out.

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks for introducing yourself, Welcome to the channel, hope you enjoy the content. If you carry it right hand this would be an issue but there are some annoyances. What's the next knife on your list?

[@alittleolder]

@@BladeBanter Good question I just got the ZT 0470 and put the Review up yesterday. The 640 is of course interesting but I haven't seen a review yet. I haven't checked for 2 days if there is one. Honestly there is the "Kizer Theta" and it's not at all available here in Europe but I couldn't bring myself to order it at knifecenter and then pay shipping to austria plus the 20% tax.. hmm so I am not even sure what's my next knife is. I do currently have some Bestech Knives to check of which two are nice. One of them nice enought to buy. I am talking around the Issue because if you gave me $300 and told me to buy I knife I would probably need to retreat for a while to check out what I want if that makes any sense. What about you?

[@BladeBanter]

@@alittleolder on my eventually list is a WE Pleroma, Medford Smooth Criminal or Infraction, Buck Marksman, a Protech. The list could go on but those are the ones that come to mind. Some of it is difficult as it's not about just buying for myself. There is ones I like and content knives. I'm continuing with steel tests and will have a few going out here after the holiday. Thanks for checking in.

[@alittleolder]

@@BladeBanter Thanks. I you're interested you're welcome to check in my channel I do other stuff than knives too. Some don't like the different stuff others appreciate it. But you know how it is with making everyone happy. So I've given up on that and do what I find interesting.

[@alittleolder]

@@BladeBanterI forgot: Happy thanksgiving. Since this is an American Holiday only I didn't think of it. Have fun.

[@markpolley8844]

I can't speak to the detent issue I haven't removed my pocket clip. However I find the copper Natrix very difficult to open using the flipper. Out of the box it seems to require a lot of force and between that and the jimping issue you brought up I developed a bit of a blister on my index finger. I put some CLP on the pivot and that has helped some but of the seven Kershaw flippers I own it is by far the most difficult to deploy. It's a beautiful knife and I intend to keep it but I'm open to constructive suggestions on how I might improve the deployment, keeping in mind I'm among the least mechanically adept men on the planet.

[@BladeBanter]

This may seem like a silly question but does it work better in your left hand? The reason I ask is the lock bar is fairly sensitive to pressure and in holding it I found myself with my finger on the lock bar. If the detent is that bad without taking it apart you could try to lubricate the detent ball to see if that helps the disengagement.

[@markpolley8844]

@@BladeBanter Actually as I was working to break it in I was changing it from hand to hand and found it did deploy more easily left handed.

[@BladeBanter]

If that's the case then it is partially hand placement. Due to the size of the knife it's not natural in how you need to hold it in the right hand, to not touch the lock bar. Glad the other suggestion worked too.

[@rikray1]

Hey Mark...same issue here...bought 3 from 3 different suppliers and all were a pain to deploy. Love the Natrix and have several that deploy like butter. Sent one back to Kershaw but haven't gotten it back yet so we'll see!!

[@BladeBanter]

I added a small detent ramp on to the blade. I can now breath on the lock bar, and still flip it open. Truely I can rest my finger on the lock bar and still deploy.

[@LEO-rc3tq]

Yo man are the problems fixed with this knife also is it worth it

[@BladeBanter]

It was fixed with a exchange, if left hand carry or without a clip it might be good to have an extra screw. Very interesting issue. It's okay I don't carry mine much.

[@LEO-rc3tq]

Ooo okay man thx I was look for an edc knife and I real like this on have a nice night

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks

[@mreuter71gmaildotcom]

I have this knife and after the second day I noticed the blade developing up and down movement when the knife is closed. Its not a ton but it is noticeable. Lock up seems fine when its opened. But its annoying to go to flip the knife open and you feel the blade play on the flipper tab. I dont own any other kershaws but my ZT's and other flippers feel rock solid when closed and have no movement. I had wondered if disassembling it cleaning and reassembling would help but I dont want to have warranty issues so I have not. I emailed the seller and kershaw and waiting to hear back from them.

[@BladeBanter]

There is a slight adjustment that could be made to the sub frame lock. You would take the pocket clip off, then the screws under it would be loosened. Make sure the detent is seated and push down and toward the handle and tighten the 2 screws and put the clip back.

[@mreuter71gmaildotcom]

@@BladeBanter So I decided to give it a shot and take off the clip and tighten the 2 screws under it. But it turns out they are tight as heck. The 2 clip screws were also tight. So I just put the clip back on as I don't want to further mess with it. It still has the same issue and I have not heard anything from either the vendor or Kershaw yet.

[@BladeBanter]

I haven't yet. I take it they were too tight to loosen as you would loosen the retighten.

[@andrewr.7269]

I had the SAME issue with my mini natrix. I was super disappointed. Would have to pop the sub frame lock back in. Detest gone. Luckily bladeops took it back. I Waited so long for this knife, was very pissed when i encountered these problems. Detent is too strong also, and yes, the jimping on the flipper is ... let’s just say, very unnecessary.

[@BladeBanter]

I ended up modifying the scales on mine, added a slight ramp for the detent ball so now I can rest my finger on the sub frame lock and still flip open. Patina is coming a long.

[@JediJunkie247]

The majority of knives are built with right-handed people in mind, whether you're talking pocket clips or sheaths. Most of the time, lefties get the shaft.

[@BladeBanter]

There is the Tangram Rumble that was initially released left and tip up. Also A new brand Yobo Tool will produce a left hand knife with the lock release swapped.

[@josepmariaaguascaribot9239]

Discarding brands and models as much as possible, my list is : KERSHAW, BUCK and KIZER.

[@BladeBanter]

Those are the only you will buy from or wouldn't buy from?

[@josepmariaaguascaribot9239]

@@BladeBanter : I've a wide array of brands and models but I prefer the aforementioned brands with slight differences in their models.

[@BladeBanter]

Nice what's next on your list to purchase?

[@josepmariaaguascaribot9239]

@@BladeBanter : BUCK 112 'Ranger'.

[@rodneypearson6986]

My knife will be here in a few days hope I don't have these issues. Lefty here

[@BladeBanter]

Ahh you would be a prime test. Hopefully yours works well and doesn't develop an issue. Please let me know how yours worked out.

[@rodneypearson6986]

@@BladeBanter Hopefully it doesn't I will let you know in about a week Happy Thanksgiving

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks Happy Thanksgiving!

[@wedo4444]

The edge on mine arrived dull and very misground. That was very disappointing, but could be fixed. The deal breaker is the detent rock. It isn't even close to being broken in and there is a good (or more accurately, bad) amount of detent rock. This will only get worse and develop into an annoying rattle. I was really excited to get this one and am now extremely disappointed. I know that they had it made in Chine to reduce costs, but should have charged a little more and produced it in the US. I am returning it.

[@BladeBanter]

That rock can be adjusted out, if your referring to the free travel the blade has in the closed position. It would be taking the pocket clip off loosening the two screws and pushing in and down on the Lock bar, tightening it back up. This doesn't excuse the play but can be corrected to see if you still wanted to keep it around.

[@joshuacarlisle6213]

@@BladeBanter Maybe not. Mine can't. The hole in the blade for the detent ball is almost twice as big as the detent ball. So a good amount of play when closed. I was shocked how big the hole in the blade is. Waited 10 months for this knife.

[@BladeBanter]

If you take off the clip, and loosen the two other screws. Then with blade close push lock bar over and down for the son.

[@Apoca88]

Did you know that China most likely are better making knives than the US? Many knives designed and located in various countries are made in China. In fact, some of my best knives are high end and made in China. What you are most likely referring to is the scummy companies that make copies of popular items. But when it comes to legit work, China know what they are doing.

[@BladeBanter]

In deed agree, WE, Reate, etc. There are loads of great brands.

[@PkwyDrive13]

Why don't you close the blade, push the detent in, then loosen the screws to the subframe lock all the way then push the detent back down while tightening the screws back down

[@BazonBlades]

I can confirm that this does not work. I will be posting a disassembly video tomorrow that discusses this issue in depth.

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks gave it a shot no luck, appreciate the feedback though.

[@BladeBanter]

Look forward to seeing that.

[@111111111Tiger]

the dealer? cause i don't wanna buy from them. Sent a Chive back to have them sharpen. Already charging a return shipping fee.

[@BladeBanter]

It may have been a miscommunication, and I would t hesitate to purchase from them, but Kershaw took care of me.

[@rodneypearson6986]

I've had my natrix a week now and my trouble is I can't hardly open it flipping is almost impossible at times. Kershaw said to mail it in 😞

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah a lot of anticipation and the issues make it worst.

[@markpolley8844]

I have the same issue with deployment. Mine was a beast to open. It's gotten marginally better with use and some CLP but still far from easy open.

[@rodneypearson6986]

@@markpolley8844 I've been working mine open & closed over and over it's better but far from being right

[@glennac]

Rodney Pearson, You can back the clip screws off even just a ¼ or ½ turn and it will make flipping a bit easier.

[@markpolley8844]

@@glennac Thanks, I followed your suggestion and it did help.

[@b80-s9i]

Dude...spit....it....the....hell.......out! Loosing subs simply cause you can't get to the point is no way to go...beating around the entire orchard.

[@BladeBanter]

Nice, Did you have a copper Natrix? They exchanged the one I had and customized the scales a bit. Haven't had any mass exodus yet but can see the point. On average across most channels I talk with folks have about a 4 minute attention span.

[@gmotionedc5412]

That’s crazy

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah exchanged and working properly currently.

[@DA-jw6nm]

Engineering? Really? So, if it's engineering, how do you explain the VAST majority of these knives have no issue? Have you heard of quality control? Or machine operator error? Or out-of-spec tooling or machine setup? Two screws securing an element hold that element in a straight line. However, if one of the holes is not round or larger than the other, you no longer can hold it straight. Engineering is fine, manufacturing is not. Period.

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks for the comment. I would say that the mast majority of the Copper Natrix users are right handed and leave the screws in place. Removing the pocket clip shouldn't affect the sub frame lock. That's why I stated it on that way as the materials and tolerance should be part of the process. Appreciate the comment and point of view.

[@mt_baldwin]

I think import kershaw's are junk, not because they're Chinese made it's because I'm 0-4 with them in the last year or so, including the atmos everyone loved. The screw probably pushes the lock bar over ever so slightly, remove it and the detent ball doesn't line up right anymore, it's exactly the kind of little tolerance problem I've come to expect from them.

[@BladeBanter]

The other knife that folks have been anxiously waiting for is the USA made Barenuckle

[@jackfarmboy]

Poor lefties cant catch a break... thanks david looking forward to the response.

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah it's too bad I'll see the lead time for the knife.

[@Orochi_001]

I’d like to know who the dealer is. Kershaw encourages customer-performed maintenance, so I want to avoid this seller at all costs.

[@BladeBanter]

It was a major retailer that I don't have any reservations ordering from. May have been a miscommunication during the phone call.

[@Orochi_001]

Blade Banter definitely check out the Bareknuckle. It’s really good. I’m hoping for a M390 or S35VN upgrade in the future

[@BladeBanter]

@@Orochi_001 I'm sure those upgrades will be coming and will definitely be considering it for a future purchase. Thanks a lot.

[@kennethroberts1085]

I have detention rattle on my reg natrix. Annoying

[@BladeBanter]

Is that the speedsafe version? It might be the spring rattling.

[@adriannvasquez6620]

My copper natrix developed this too. At first i thought it was from wear on the stop pin, but on second thought if might be from the sub frame lock moving so that the detent ball isn't where it's supposed to be.

[@BladeBanter]

I've exchanged mine and the one I got seems to be working properly but no the patina is slow going.

[@thomastsunami3422]

I pre-ordered as well, and got Mine around 8 months later as well. I really like the knife,,, However, the sub-frame-lock is 'ajusted' by the screws that hold in the pocket clip.. and yes, if you want to left hand carry the clip, it will be a useless flipper. I still like it as I am a 'righty' but for having to have all of us wait 8 +++ months for it, so they could 'get it just right' , it was poorly designed. I had reserves about buying a kershaw, and think I am Highly unlikely to buy a kershaw ever again... even though I do like this copper natrix for what it is... too much hype and too much of a wait for such terrible design flaws... Sorry Lefties !

[@BladeBanter]

Yeah I would recommend their USA made blades the Knockout is really something folks are waiting for and hope they really knock that one out of the park.

[@crommy927]

Check out mine on Instagram #kershawnatrixcopper. Mine arrived as a slip joint.

[@BladeBanter]

That's too bad it seems they realize there were issues with some and should take care of you.

[@Cannibal_Actual]

Yep looks broke. I personally would have taken it apart or sent it to nick shabaz

[@BladeBanter]

Nice will see how it goes with Kershaw need to package it up to send out.

[@jcb6713]

...a definite boo-boo in design !!! if it effects detent, they should not have designed it for left hand carry or clip removal, period...have a great day...

[@BladeBanter]

Thanks a lot have a great Thanksgiving!