Kevan Lannister's "Just Man" Speech (ASOIAF reading)

[@valkyristasoiafreadings]

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[@Noeton]

Ian Gelder, who played Kevan Lannister on Game of Thrones, has passed away at the age of 74. God rest his soul.

[@DamienMuto]

Dang man, 😔 r.i.p . To Mr ian

[@shrim1481]

Yeah he got blown up at that church thing, we all saw it...Rip.

[@MrDibara]

Another good actor gone too soon. 😔 May he rest in peace.

[@ghoulishfool]

“You love him.” “He is my brother.”

[@octavianhughes4493]

Kevan was a decent man.

[@AveTrueToCaesar8212]

Chandler Hughes Indeed. But alas, decent men don't get very far in Westeros, sadly.

[@andreitan8479]

John O'Phelan All things considered he stayed around pretty long

[@redgokudera]

Kevan's death was so unnecessary.

[@jeangale6914]

The Spider will be smashed

[@Thejaffacaketurtles]

Far from it

[@princelevi3733]

Kevan hated both jamie and cersei but he is actually fond of tyrion. Probably one of the few who actually gave tyrion credit for the black water battle.

[@lonemotheo1964]

He didn't hate Jamie or Cersie he just didn't approve of they're relationship He felt really guilty about Cersie's walk of shame and was very worried about about Jamie after he disappeared with Brienne

[@princelevi3733]

@lonemotheomatshaba9640 to be honest, I'm still in the quarter of dance of dragons.

[@princelevi3733]

@lonemotheomatshaba9640 but still, that is pretty nice. He still tries his best to look after the twins or at least show some sympathy towards them.

[@CatotheE]

@@lonemotheo1964 Honestly, he seemed to hate them by the end. He rabble recognized that they’re the cause of the Wot5K since he wasn’t as blind as Tywin.

[@herbthompson8937]

He 100% did not hate Jaime and Cersei.....

[@LetsGoGetThem]

We need an animated ASOIAF with all the dialog from the books done justice...

[@matthewodonnellgavaghan]

Maybe a bunch of animators should come together and start a project where they'll each animate a chapter to the audio books. It would be super fun and highly creative.

[@Brandonhayhew]

They need funds like Patreon or fundraising projects in order to make it or a graphic novels

[@arthurdayne8029]

books from Windblown check out @bgnnn on Instagram! He makes stuff like that I think

[@Hugh_Morris]

Lol I tell myself if I ever become the richest man on earth I will purchase the rights and release ASOIAF, entirely accurate (blue hair n all) to the books as an animation

[@marcusanark2541]

@@Hugh_Morris I would do the same.

[@50Blox]

IMO Keven was the most well rounded of all the Lannisters. He knew how to rule, receive income, lead armies, he could show mercy or show none, but he was also a family man, he loves his wife and children very much and is the only completely faithful Lannister. The perfect combination of Tyrion, Tywin, and Tytos' attributes. Too bad he was only given a few months (I don't know how long Cersei was in jail but he started ruling in truth then) before Varys noticed he was doing too good of a job

[@Capt.DanInJapan]

Kevan seems to be something of an understudy to Tywin. He lacks his older brother's stern nature and iron will but he is competent in every role he took to further the interests of House Lannister. Is he as effective as Tywin? Not exactly. He doesn't have the same aura of intimidation that the other Houses respect. But he was probably better balanced as a person.

[@mattiaachille233]

@@Capt.DanInJapan Bro Tywin plunged the realm into all out war because he’s such a shit father he didn’t even know his own son and daughter were fucking since they were teenagers, and let his own men commit every single crime under the sun because “It’s just war” when he could’ve easily adverted bloodshed precisely because he was a stern commander and half the continent was terrified of him. He’s practically the worst scum in the story even worse than Ramsay. At least Ramsay became a disgusting psycho because of his upbringing since he was born. What was Tywin’s reason? Oh people laughed at him and his house, so now he’ll let women be raped, humiliated and murdered. Have children slaughtered by men who would kill him and fuck his corpse if he wasn’t a powerful lord. Tywin was a fucking disgrace not only to his family but to the entire world. The world has a debt to pay to the lannisters and they’re gonna get fucked bloody if the story ever continues. 😂😂can’t wait to see it

[@riolidansnarfledang7833]

@@Capt.DanInJapan I don't know, I think Kevan has a lot of the iron will Tywin had. Especially when Cersei was going to ask him to be hand and he said "I'll be hand on the condition you fuck off to Casterly Rock and let me be regent too." Then when Cersei threw wine in his face Kevan had that bad ass line about how many Knights he can raise and feed and how people shouldn't want him for an enemy, right before he told Cersei he knows damn well Jaime is her children's father.

[@Capt.DanInJapan]

@@riolidansnarfledang7833 Sure, Kevan was capable, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Tywin was on another level by comparison. He wouldn't, and indeed couldn't, project the aura of power and intimidation that Tywin could. I think that is an important part of Kevan's character because of how important Tywin's death was to the plot and the eventual downfall of House Lannister.

[@riolidansnarfledang7833]

@@Capt.DanInJapan True, true.

[@animatedink2529]

Kevan is a tragic character. We the readers all know what an asshole Tywin is, but really, can we really expect Kevan to despise his brother? As he told Tyrion when Tyrion was shocked Kevan loved Tywin, he is his brother. At the very least, in A Dance with Dragons, Kevan comes to regret the things he was forced to do under Tywin's leadership, but it came too late. Kevan was flawed, yes, but he truly was a good man. At least he saw the good in Tyrion.

[@hiddendagger7291]

asshole tywin? he did wt was right for his house just like everyone was doing the same but tywin was doing it better than everyone else

[@MM-mx2zt]

my dad yeah, killing an innocent woman just because she “stole” your daughter’s place is the right thing...

[@Arana975]

@@MM-mx2zt who was the woman he killed?

[@MM-mx2zt]

@@Arana975 Elia?

[@kianghorbanpor9988]

@@MM-mx2zt he didn't order the death of elia only her children mountain killed her on his own

[@chickenman7801]

Kevan lent Tywin his honor. Tywin wanted to keep Selmy to do the same. Honorable men underneath a tyrant make the people think he can't be all bad.

[@kianghorbanpor9988]

tywin was not a tyrant

[@kianghorbanpor9988]

tywin was not a tyrant

[@chickenman7801]

No he wasn't a tyrant. Well, except about family and legacy. Tywin would tyrant all the time about that. Course he had the right because he Tywins wars. He was more of an enlightened despot. Seriously, though, I'm talking about perception. A Lion doesn't concern himself with opinions of the sheep, but he is acutely aware of perceptions, which are important. Perceptions can lead to revolt as seen with Tywin's father. Opinions are whispered behind the back. Men liken Selmy and Kevan don't erase men like Gregor Clegane and Littefinger but they do polish up their lords a bit.

[@BruhMoment-mn9kn]

@@kianghorbanpor9988 Tywin was a strong general and the greatest leader of Westeros. All that said, he still fought and killed for a treacherous whore and her abomination bastard.

[@gerardjagroo]

@@kianghorbanpor9988 Tywin was a tyrant, but he was the sort of tyrant you'd want if you must have a tyrant. He gave the realm peace and prosperity when he was Hand. That said his death and the fall of the Lannister name is well deserved for their atrocities.

[@JohnSmith-ku1dr]

Some people tried to dislike this video but they were massacred along with their families and their keeps were raised to the ground.

[@sidhaarthln6914]

John Smith *razed

[@chickenman7801]

Tywin raised his children to the ground.

[@stevenhernandeznon-profitf968]

Haw! I mean that was a how it would go

[@jackashmore]

Kevan, Ned and stannis…the second brothers always seemed to shine more

[@gooby214]

Even Otto Hightower is a second brother and he's more remembered. Sandor Clegane too.

[@ghoulishfool]

Don’t forget Bran 🐦‍⬛

[@raulpetrascu2696]

I wouldn't say Kevan shined, not compared to Tywin. And Robert is the one that's remembered and causes everything in the realm in this story, not Stannis who never took the throne this far nor got the most support The older brothers are more cunty though

[@jimhorey1252]

In fiction only. In reality Prince Andrew and Prince Harry.

[@TheDrexxus]

Jon Snow was technically a second son as well.

[@antoniobronson695]

I never saw this side of Kevan in the show , it's like fiction is cursed , as in the source material is always better than the adaptation

[@hammer3721]

Kevan was an idiot in the show. In the books he was probably as smart as Tywin and Tyrion.

[@eurongreyjoy1008]

@@hammer3721 but not as smart as varys

[@hammer3721]

@@eurongreyjoy1008 Nope. Nowhere near Varys or Littlefinger level.

[@sambo9174]

Keep telling us, it's not like we're reminded a hundred times a day

[@brandocalrissian3294]

Because people are too lazy to properly adapt the source material, or want to insert their own ideas and messages into the story. An animated version of a song of ice and fire that is truly faithful to the source material is the only way to do it right. It csn never be done properly in the live action medium.

[@sebas8225]

Kevan was too good for the lannisters

[@matthewodonnellgavaghan]

He really was.

[@LordCommander-ui2fw]

Indeed. Had he been given the chance to live, he could've appeased the Faith, brokered peace with Dorne, mended the bond between Tyrells and Lannisters, and made Tommen a good king.

[@Mark-xh8md]

Which is exactly why Varys killed him. The true King was coming, and it wouldn't do to have Kevan restore order now.

[@mdrakibhossain6726]

Lannister were not all bad it’s just cersie who was cruel.. Tywin is hard man ruthless yes but not without reason.. His own father was a good man but his bannerman laugh at him defying him.. When tywin was hand of the mad king he made many good progress but what he earn in return? . mad king envy & hate. Tywin did what is needed to done but never enjoyed it.. Rhagear children needed to die so he give the command but gregor & armory loach both was beast they'd done it too brutally.. If you look house stark history you'll find out that starks killed thier enemy king & their son but take their daughter as a prize. Marsh king, barrow king, warg king and many other house was extinct because of house strak.. And in the dance of dragon cregan stark wanted house who supported ageon to be destroyed root & stem even all of those house ruled by children that time because all their father died in the war. Like measter aemon said ruling is a man job..

[@Gunleaver]

Kevan cheerfully went along with all of his brother's crimes and atrocities, with not a word to indicate he ever objected or tried to mitigate it. Tywin says he wants the Riverlands ablaze, and Kevan says "They will burn." Kevan has his niece marched naked through the city. He is aware of the crimes of Cersei and Jaime and keeps his mouth shut in hopes of profiting from it, because his son is being made a lord. Even the good that he ascribes to Tywin is basically nothing more than Lannister ego run amok. People were LAUGHING AT THEM! Oh no! Clearly mass murder is the only reasonable response. Also, given that Tywin is consistently shown as being greedy & hungry for power and pushing wherever he can, I think the Lannister narrative of a diligent and faithful councilor serving the realm and being undermined by a petty jealous king is a bit bullshit. Yes, Tywin did his level best and spent his own money on the crown's behalf, but Tywin does not do things without a reason, and it's pretty clear that his reason was getting more and more authority in the realm. The notion that he was the REAL ruler and not Aerys was the version of the story HE was putting out. It was his own guard captain who was caught spreading that version. He wanted Rhaegar to marry his daughter and took it as a given, as if there was no possible other course. Aerys might have been insane, but even the paranoid have enemies, and I think he saw Tywin's true colors, and that's why he made so many efforts to undermine Tywin and refused him greater power and punished Payne, to make it clear that Tywin could not protect even his own guard captain from Aerys' displeasure, to keep people from ignoring him and going to Tywin.

[@jeangale6914]

Kevan the Loyal Lion.

[@jeangale6914]

He even had to suffer the lost of one of his children because of Tywin's war.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@The Law evil? GTFO

[@leostormdryke9036]

@The Law tywin was a hero to the westerlands and the girl was actually sent somewhere else not really killed

[@leostormdryke9036]

@The Law good move. But he lowered taxes, defended his family, bannerman, allies when they were in need. He will stand up for his children( but only because they were lannisters but still), a niece of his was a bastard but he raised her as a lady of lannister even though she was a bastard he raised her because she was his brother's daughter. Tywin is no good man but i also don't see him as an evil one. I don't know what he is but he has my respect and admiration.

[@leostormdryke9036]

@The Law another good move. He did save King's Landing and the smallfolk then viewed him as a hero. Because of the red wedding, the war ended, the smallfolk had food to eat finally. But you have a strong point. To each their own.

[@julioacceus253]

HBO screwed up this series after all. And I think any possible prequels will be another Hobbit.

[@shortstuff780]

Julio Acceus if (the rumors are correct) and GRRM is heavily involved then I'm down

[@picklechinahboy4437]

oohhh, my sweet summer child... only if you see this season.

[@yamibegood]

Happy to report the prequel surpassed my expectations. But there still time to fuck it up.

[@herbthompson8937]

​@yamibegood you have low expectations then. HotD is garbage

[@iagocavalcanti5277]

​@@yamibegoodhotd already fucked up sor criston cole character, i hope they fix the things in next season (it aint happening)

[@Mo-sk7xo]

literally would pay high dollar for a Full reading of the Books by this guy

[@Yuki-fm5hr]

"He is a Justman." Tywin is a descendant of the Brackens and Blackwoods, confirmed!😂

[@FerretJohn]

Kevan was a good man, loyal to the family and to his brother, but he never had a thought Tywin didn't have first.

[@DoctorWu23]

Kevan Lannister is just such a great character

[@karlfranz5229]

Yes, his my favorite character. A mix breed of characters, dutiful like stannis, moral like Ned at the same time Politically Experience like Tywin .

[@lucasfv1357]

A loyal younger brother, with all the goods and ills that implies

[@Martin-qn9qx]

The old lion. One of the best of Lannisters.

[@dawn1424]

after lord tywin of course

[@kekero540]

I got a Lion king ad with this lol.

[@mysteryking2339]

The blinded lion

[@EyePatchGuy88]

Kevan Lannister is truly in a most difficult spot.

[@karlobolensky2926]

To set the Riverlands ablaze, unleasing ser Gregor and his bunch of murderers and rapists, and he didn't even use the Lannister banner, so Robert would not have clear proof (because he knew, if Robert found out Tywin broke his peace, he would have all kingdoms but Tywin's and Dorne, and if he Told Doran and Oberyn "I will give you Elia and her sister's children's murderers, and feel free to help" then all of Westeros would stand behind Robert (Balon burn't his fleet before, and would again, being an opportunist - Robert wasn't a drunken fool regarding war). His son were taken capture, yes. If he was a just man, he would demand the Stark's pay him gold he doesn't need, and demanded The Starks answer before the king, and Littlefinger's plot would unfold, and he would lose his head. It would still be an interesting story, because with all the might of the Seven Kingdoms, they coud kill some, or all, the dragons before they reach WMD size. Danaerys would be enraged and we would see Westeros vs Danaerys with a lot of threachery, but as Tywin, Ned, Stannis, et cetera, would work together, it would be harder to defect with sons of lord's put under armed Guard and killed if the lords defected. Interesting story, I sure hoped for conflict beween Dothraki and Westerosi, and we would still have the lying and betraying in Westeros. Oh ... the question was whether Tywin was a just man. No, you don't let your son go on trial for a murder he did not comit, nor sending out his own favorite mass-murderer to massacre people under a false flag because his son was imprisoned. To wait out the real war, until it was done (Joffrey WAS right, that's why Tywin was so enraged, but he could dominate Joffrey so he did), and then come as friend, open the gates and sack King's Landing, sending former mentioned murderer to kill children (yes, he did, but he did not order the rape of Elia) because the new king "saw himself as an hero, and heroes don't kill children", but in reality still wanted them dead. Was that really just of him, to quote himself? Opportunist, terrorist, but.... a good ruler, and the 7K did prosper under him. Too bad he had no way to become king, which would mean permanent power. During his second try as Hand, he was shot by his own son taking a shit after a year or two. That's not very successful. He did good under a stable reign (Targaryens), but failed during instable (psuedo-Baratheon, Lannister-puppet king, but Joffrey died believing Robert his father, and Tommen too, hell... even Tywin believed it until just before he died, because Cersei outright told him (he must've got it).

[@hiddendagger7291]

even in tywin's secondary try as hand was successful he killed robb to end war broke stannis and his plan was to marry cerci to ser loras which bring peace with high garden then tyrion with sansa which has chances to bringing peace with north marcella was already going to become princes of dorn 7 kingsdoms would've been in peace and war would've end if tywin lives

[@hammer3721]

@@hiddendagger7291 Stannis was not broken. This is Stannis Baratheon we are talking about, the man who would fight to the bitter end, and then some.

[@zachofthebattery2864]

@@hiddendagger7291 wasn't littlefinger the one who brought the tyrell army and the only way he was able to kill rob was through braking sacred custom

[@hiepdang719]

@@zachofthebattery2864 he had someone else break the sacred custom, the Frey took all the credit and the blame. Litterfinger only acted as an envoy on behalf of Tywin to create the alliance with house Tyrell. So yea the 7 kingdoms will be united if his 'loving' family worked together

[@Brandonhayhew]

The show should have include this speech in season 4?

[@Brandonhayhew]

Who the fuck care about that character

[@youshallnotpass2156]

@The Law calm your tits the cousin orso conversation was just fine

[@thalmoragent9344]

Kevan Lannister, a good man, brother, uncle... I hoped he would've survived but, sadly, such things often never come for the good men of Westeros

[@LoodyA-Q]

Loyality kills in game of thrones.

[@Brando901]

So talented

[@jepijep1899]

My favorite lannister besides tyrion so underrated love his confrontation with cersei in the red keep

[@mitchellline3398]

Could you do Genna lannister's "Tywin's son" speech to jaime

[@alexbattaglia8297]

Yes!

[@petyrbaelish4311]

Yes , one of the best in A Feast For Crows.

[@cureforintroversion1262]

What an underrated character

[@samalvey8168]

I despise him, personally. Do you know why? Tywin: "Tell them I want to see the Riverlands afire from the Gods Eye to the Red Fork." Kevan: "They will burn, my lord. I shall give the commands." Thousands of Riverlanders dead. Peasants and lords alike massacred, villages and castles burned, farms salted, livestock slaughtered, raping and pillaging and death the likes of which those battle-ravaged lands have never known. And he gave the orders without a shred of remorse or hesitation. He disgusts me, as does Tywin.

[@nahortesfaldet2313]

Remember that Kevan was instrumental in the atrocities in the riverlands

[@snowlion2593]

Does Kevan seriously think Tywin is a "just man" after seeing the way he treated Tyrion for his entire life?

[@casacara]

He is his brother. Would you want to admit your brother was a beast in human skin like Tywin?

[@Argos-xb8ek]

He didn't wish to see the bad in his older brother. I Kevan was loyal to his elder brother without question and his loyalty cost him dearly. He lost one son Williem when Lord Karstark went into a rage. His other son Lancel has all but lost his mind after Cersei nearly killed him and become a zealot and cuckold. His only remaining son is a traumatized wreck who saw his twin brother die. Kevan hasn't seen his wife or daughter since early on in the story. He has suffered alot for being loyal to his brother and their family and it has given him nothing but pain

[@fauzanabdulkahfitheexisten5298]

Blind loyality brother

[@AdeptKing]

Kevan is closer to Tywin than anyone and he knew him when he was "nice" so he probably still sees that even after everything. I think their sister is the only one who speaks plainly about Tywin and what he's become.

[@mrdarkstar3756]

is Tywin really so bad to Tyrion? Tywin is all about his family and reputation. Tyrions existence to Tywin is a stain on the Lannister name but all these years Tyrion was alive and a proper Lannister under him. Tywin never pulled a Randyl Tarly making his son choose death or the black. that being said Tywin is still a dick but he's even got his own morals.

[@MrWingull]

Kevan is just loyal and kind. Enough said.

[@Ghaltouni]

Kevan was by far the most honorable man of House Lannister

[@Teabagsforlife]

Speech nailed it until the very end 😅

[@alialshammari-u4v]

I think what Tyrion should have said " Was he a just man when he drowned Castamere and all who were in it from oldest of men to the youngest of babes, was he a just man when he sacked Kingslanding and had Elia Martell and her children murdered, was he a just man when all I got from him is resentment and loathing for simply being born ?". That would've shut Kevan up.

[@attiepollard7847]

You see that's the issue with Tyrion he wants his father to love him he has to understand that he is a Lannister and he is tywin son. He cannot look for validation from his father. If he wants to take over the Rock and he's going to have to do his job as a Lannister no matter how bad or evil and wait for the old bastard to die so Jamie can give him the west

[@justdirt]

Kevan is a flawed man, his classic Lannister pride and refusal to ever truly condenm his brother Tywin being the big ones, but he ran the Rock during the war and almost solved every issue as hand. He, like Ned, was almost too good for his own sake, which left him wide open to be assassinated.

[@brettervonkanada6102]

That's a good analogy, and also shows just how masterful Varys is at playing the game. He observed Ned Stark so closely, and he probably drew the parrallells immediatelly, that's why he showed Kevan his utmpost respect during the assassination, he knew Kevan was an honorable man but he had to be taken out, because Kevan could potentially unite Westeros again, and crush Connington, unless Varys used his weakness to get to him, which was same as Ned's...

[@mrmofo36]

what an asshole. "hey tyrion you should be ok with all this because how does your DAD feel, huh? ever think about that?"

[@Happyduderawr]

haha ikr.

[@Ghaltouni]

He told him that he wouldn't be safe even if he was declared innocent. How was that evil?

[@myheatgoesboomboomboom1655]

I just read that and came back

[@Spyderist]

good work

[@andrewprofitt6898]

Never consider Kevon holding down the Rock while Tywin ruled the Seven

[@sergeanttentacles1359]

Kevan is so underrated

[@stlegion-px1wo]

People don’t get that Kevin is closest brother to Tywin those two have spent many years working together devolving a vision . And they fought side by side for decades. And covered each others blind spots . It makes sense why he defends Tywin so much . Only Joanna perhaps knew Tywin better

[@Luca___00]

Love you kevan

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

Kevan did not deserve his fate.

[@AdoreYouInAshXI]

Dude, you did a video about Wyman Manderly. The one where he reads to Davos while he's in the dungeon! It was my favorite, what happened to it? Can you tell me the music that was in that video, it's driving me crazy trying to remember it. I'm a huge fan of your readings!

[@irasac1]

It's still up

[@pranz2984]

Kevan the just lion

[@anthonyt1t5]

Wished they portrayed Kevan better. The show made him seem petty or just as greedy as tywin or cersei. I didnt realize Kevan was a lot more complex in the books.

[@vitorfreitas1682]

Kevan was actually so much better than Tywin in so many things, a better father to his kids, a better fighter and a much more just ruler for what we see but seems like he not believe in himself…

[@Toehead-z9p]

I have said this a lot but they need to make a cartoon adaption by Genndy Tartakovsky who made samurai jack, star wars clone wars and primal. I feel like the ice and fire characters would be great in that art style

[@brettervonkanada6102]

The only person that gave Kevan the respect he deserved was Varys... Ironically, he also gave him a bolt in the chest :((

[@svenskhund3603]

Why does it sound like im speaking to a dark souls NPC.

[@KOCChristian]

Kevan > Tywin Tywin was always the loin they needed but Kevan was so level headed and so understanding of everything reason Varys had to “scheme” him personally

[@sadowphoenix01]

I barely remember this person from the show

[@MaesterMushroom]

Kevan Lannister; The best Beta male in Westeros.

[@mas849185ify]

Ever hear of loyalty?

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Second only to Jorah Mormont the biggest Simp

[@eemilehto5862]

@@mas849185ify loyalty is gross say no more

[@christinestreeter8566]

Lmao he gave the seven kingdoms peace and justice.

[@cdowg187]

He's sticking up for tywin bc TO BE FAIR tywin saved their house. Kevan wants his brothers admiration, it's like an emotionally abusive relationship.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@The Law yes a good man.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@The Law On planet reality, unlike you. Your comment shows your total ignorance on the subject. Tywin was a good man, unlike Rheagar, who condemned his children, his wife and half of the realm to war and death so that he can fuck another girl. Tywin ALWAYS stood for his brothers and his sister, protecting them, supporting them and keeping all of house Lannister safe and prosperous. For the good of his house and the he carried Aerys the mad king for years on his back, resisting decades of ungratful insults to his person and to his wife and the same time making the realm prosperous, he even paid House Targaryern debt to Iron Bank from HIS OWN POCKETS. None forced him to do it yet it did it for the realm knowing the Aerys will never thank him for that. Aerys hated him. Hated him for what?For being better then his ungrateful king in all things. He is accused of having ordered Elia's and her children death even though it is obvious that the order came from Varys, who was the true master of Kings' landing, to put forward phase 2 of his plan. Does when the mountain found the corpses he brough them to Tywin who brought to Robert who looked away. For Tywin having the Princess and her kids alive was WAY more valuable then having them dead and mutilated. Yet of you so called fans of the series, very few consider and remember this. Why? Because you are emotional simpletons.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@The Law Egomaniac sadist? When did he ever take pleasure in any political decision he made in the books?Never. He lived his entire life in function of his House, he was the definition of altruistic, for those who do not know someone is Altruistic when he lives exclusively for someone else. He became ruthless as was his duty, a ruler must be ruthless to keep his people safe. Main reason why Ned Stark failed miserably and his House is basically non existant at this point.Tywin did what needed to be done for his House and the Westerlands and when he was Hand for Aerys he went above the call of duty for the realm several times. For instance, just to give a little example, when Aerys wanted to go war against The Iron Bank,which means Bravoos,Tywin instead paid the entire crown debt with his own funds. He didn't have to but HE DID for the realm, since b then Aerys pubblicaly humiliated him and his wife countless times and the two of the were politically at war. He even tried to resign several times but he was denied for a long time. Who caused the war of the kings? Tywin?No,he end it and now a new is starting. The war of the five kings started because Catelyn Tully was a dangerous scheming imbecille who destroyed her husbands plans and ignored his orders and decided instead to be manipulated by Littlefinger, the main man behind the war. Tywin was the real deal that did what needed to be done for his kin and people and there is no greater call than that, he was cursed to have a wackjob for a daughter and a carpet for a son. When your family is at stake morality means nothing. Bring your delusions and misinformation elsewhere.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@The Law You have some serious problems. I red the books and additional information on the Song of ice and fire Official App very carefully. Since you proved very early that you are a naive bafoon who puts morality on politics, someone who didn't red carefully the source material you shoud really be ashamed of yourself for your ignorance. Ol'Tywin was a man in capital letters and always did what was necessary for his house and the realm Period. Nothing else matters in a ruler.There is no such things as sin. Since I destroyed your arguments about him being a " egomoniac sadist" just shut up because you have proved that you don't even know the meaning of those words.

[@ravenstrategist1325]

@The Law If you really think so then you are very limited. I will explain in simple terms what is my beef with your brand of stupidity and projection of insignificant morality in a political situation. You started with an idiotic statement proposing the unsupported notion that Tywin Lannister is an " Egomaniacal Sadist", a notion which is absurd. Tywin is ruthless but never cruel. He does what must be done to protect his House and further its interest. Something all competent individuals do, particularly lords in a medieval setting. Very simple very logical. Tywin is the perfect leader to have in basically all situations. He is a great politician, an experienced commander,a masterful schemer and lives in function of his House. If I was a Lannister I will feel safe with Tywin in charge because I will know that he will do whatever is necessary to defned the House. You don't like Tywin, fine, I have no problems, it simply a fictional charachter. The thing I have a problem with is that you are deliberately lying, attribuiting to him traits that are not his. If you have to dislike someone, dislike for true things not immaginary ones. Simple as that. I have no tollerance for non-logical people, morever the concept of good and evil is subjective to culture, time,place, circumstances and so forth, it is ludicrous to judge someone fictional or not on those basis.

[@RīcoDan90]

Good man in service to a bad cause

[@dlugi4198]

Kewan was such a good dude. Honestly not only smart and capable like Tyrion, but also empathetic and kind. Excellent advisor, really good hand also. I wonder how it would look like, he was a hand to Areas ii instead of sociapathic power hungry tywin.

[@Chill6063]

Tyrion should have been Kevan's son

[@GhANeC]

Maybe you shouldn’t, Tyrion

[@falkets7888]

"They will burn, my lord. I will give the command." This is Kevan eagerly jumping up to fulfill Tywin's order of destroying the riverland villages along with unleashing the monsters called Vago Hotar, Amory Lorch and Gregor Clegane on defenseless civilians. I don't wanna hear anything of what Kevan thinks a just man is. He is only just when it suits him to be, just like Tywin.

[@moisesvillagonzalez9146]

to teach what it means to choose the wrong side

[@patriksagi5571]

Wanna hear a secret? Robb's army did the same in the Westerlands.

[@Galvatronover]

@@patriksagi5571 can you give me a source I can't see it being just as brutal

[@patriksagi5571]

@@Galvatronover What do you think the types of Lord Karstark did under "foraging"? Do you think the people of the Westerlands just gave Robb their livestock and kissed the ground he stood on? Of course we conveniently have no POV when our heroes do something bad, but it doesn't mean it never happened.

[@zachofthebattery2864]

@@patriksagi5571 stealing and putting whole towns to the torch are two very different orders of magnitude

[@mitchellline4242]

Could you please do more asoiaf audios?

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

Keavan is a great example of a fool. Who can't see the handwriting on the wall.

[@Uberdude6666]

So this is after Joffrey's death, right? I would imagine Kevin being one of those characters who low-key were kind of happy for that.. It seems strange that he, behind closed doors, would say Tyrion deserves punishment for it

[@xxlCortez]

As much as I agree with the pressure on Tywin, he was still unnecessarily douche to Tyrion, something Kevan refuses to see.

[@mysteryking2339]

His love blind him to tywin evil

[@arawn1061]

Tywin isnt evil

[@emilegriffith1473]

He isn'tevil. He doesn't dabble in violence as a pasttime. But he's damb sure not a just man.

[@marcelobeniciojunior7420]

If you think Tywin is evil, is because you didnt understand him. He may be machiavelic and cold, but hes not evil.

[@arawn1061]

@@marcelobeniciojunior7420 i would say walder frey isnt evil. Despite him being a major asshole, he still holds to his family values

[@marcelobeniciojunior7420]

@Aron Yeah, I agree. Another reason to think that Tywin isnt evil is the way he treated Jaime after he returns to King's Landing without his sword's hand. If he was evil he would despise and disrespect him, like he always did to Tyrion.

[@maxlin3721]

He is a good brother to a man who is terrible father.

[@herbthompson8937]

Terrible by what standard???? 2023 standards????

[@leandrocastello309]

​@@herbthompson8937absolutely any standars, really. Remember Tysha?

[@herbthompson8937]

@@leandrocastello309 that wouldnt have been terrible parenting during feudal times.....

[@CheeseCrumbs00]

​@@herbthompson8937 It very much would

[@herbthompson8937]

@@CheeseCrumbs00 have you ever read anything about medieval europe????????

[@snowlion2593]

"He's my brother." So what? Tygett and Gerion were Tywin's brothers as well, and it seems that neither of them had an overly rosy relationship with him. Likely because, unlike Kevan, they could actually see what an asshole Tywin really was. Even Genna states that, despite loving Tywin, she still didn't approve of everything he did in his life.

[@bezukaking6860]

wasn't that Genna speech more about how Tywin was an overachiever, and Tygett & Gerion's aversion to Tywin amounted to an inability to measure up to their Lord brother (something about Tywin's Shadow)? Kevan (if I recall) only differed because he was not so thirsty for personal renown that he was willing to support Tywin.

[@CL-zg6rh]

@@bezukaking6860 I think Tyrion even said that about Kevan to young griff: My uncle Kevan would make a passable ruler, but the gods made him a follower, not a leader.

[@grilledcheese9845]

The key difference is that Tywin lifted their families reputation up from the gutter and made them a force to be feared when before they were a joke. If you had a brother that single handedly made you a more influential person you would probably follow that guy no matter how much of an asshole he is. You might morally object to what Tywin does but you literally cannot argue that what he did wasn't in the best interests of his family, its what makes him such a compelling character.

[@herbthompson8937]

Do you approve of everything ANYONE has done????? I sure hope not, that would be weird. Genna loves Tywin and will until her dying day after Tywin stood up for her when their pathetic father betrothed her to that worm Emmon.

[@Happyduderawr]

​@@herbthompson8937 I approve everything Maester Aemon did.

[@Soleilasens]

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