Kevin Durant & The GOAT Convo: He Confuses Me - Barbershop talk (Episode 118)

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Recently Kevin Durant asked what hasn't he done to be considered the GOAT, and why isn't he in the convo? These are my thoughts.

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[@Jeff_2x]

Always felt like KD’s move to Warriors COMPENSATED for Bron’s move to Heat. Like Bron was EXTREMELY hated (even more than KD) but in hindsight Heat were loaded but not 73-9 Warriors LOADED. Like their were legitimate chances where Heat could’ve loss like to 2013 Spurs or where they outright loss. With the KD Warriors you knew they were UNBEATABLE if everyone was healthy.

[@user-hs5vb6kc9o]

It's like LeBron had moved to the Celtics instead of Miami.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

I feel LeBron wouldn't have gotten quite the visceral venomous response if he hadn't broadcasted his decision live on national TV. One of the dumbest most tone deaf things an athlete could do.

[@carlkash3587]

I disagree if he went to Boston big 3 then yea his legacy would be ruined but forming his own squad in Miami created his own path and during those title celebrations he acknowledged he wasn’t even supposed to be there and had a bigger story in mind 2016 Truly solidified lebron if u remove that ring and he has those 2 Miami rings and that Bubble ring he’s no question top 5 but he’s not in the goat debate

[@i3p973]

@@user-hs5vb6kc9oExactly, especially as they beat him the year before which would have been just as weak as KD’s decision.

[@givemesometime8405]

@@CrazyxEnigmahe did it for donation money

[@thomassiroky8714]

Love to see barbershop talks back

[@Jeff_2x]

He LITERALLY answered his owned why he’s isn’t in the GOAT debate 😂

[@BT405]

its still highly debated whether or not he's a definite top 10 all-time player and bro's talkin bout GOAT status LMAO

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

The closest example i can think of with a team firing their coach despite a good record would be David Blatt on the 2016 Cavs.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Mid season yeah. Griffin has also lasted almost the least amount of time for a HC except one guy who coached the Spurs in 92 who only lasted 22 games going 9-11

[@bertog8080]

According espn yeah he’s the only other coach to get fired after starting that good record wise

[@user-hs5vb6kc9o]

It's funny how people look for comparisons to the KD move to GS and miss the easiest one: imagine if LeBron instead of going to Miami had gone and joined the Big 3 Celtics.

[@GunninRebel55]

Greatest comment I've EVER read on this subject. I salute you my G. 🎊🥂

[@GunninRebel55]

Oh and someone needs to say this to KD when he spews out his "LeBron went to Miami so that opened the door for me to go to GS" bullshyt. That's another part that makes it such a weak move. You did it... stand on it and stop tryna put your actions on LeBron.

[@socialistbatman1211]

and imagine he did that after blowing a 3- lead to them and playing like shit

[@GunninRebel55]

@@socialistbatman1211 😂😂😂

[@Noble992]

Even then it doesn’t work cuz the 3Cs weren’t in their primes AND weren’t ever seen as the greatest team of all time. KD had a uniquely pathetic move

[@Jeff_2x]

It’s crazy I don’t think I’ve ever seen in player in sports history win the ultimate prize and it STILL be a detriment to their legacy the way it has been for KD.

[@LembeckIsStaying]

No one gets praise for beating up a little person or smashing a prostitute.

[@jdapaul1351]

Context is always put into play. I am grateful for KD bringing 2 chips to GS and helping beat LeBron's Cavs. Even as a fan of KD and GS, there's no denying it was an "easy move", given how GS was only 4 points away from the greatest season of all time. But, credit must be given where it's due. He won his chips and FMVPs.

[@petersonofleo11]

The saddest thing is that he could have the dynasty of the 2010s with OKC and be seen as the bus driver of those OKC teams but injuries and trading Harden for being greedy really ruined that. OKC could have a ring in 2016 if he didn't choke and could have a ring in OKC if he stayed since Dipo was coming to OKC and Horford was going to join them. Hell a single ring with OKC will be seen as greater than both Warriors rings combined. A total shame.

[@GunninRebel55]

Shit Allen Iverson winning game-1 vs the Kobe/ Shaq Lakers in the 2000 finals is seen as greater than both KD's Warriors rings combined. So yeah I'm pretty sure you're 100 on this. 🤦🏽‍♂️😂

[@kitothekito915]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@GunninRebel55not a kd fan but whoever thinks that is just glazing iverson who didn’t really do much after that series

[@GunninRebel55]

@@kitothekito915 1st, meant to say 2001 finals. 2000 was Lakers/Pacers. Saying Iverson didn't do much after that yr lacks context. That's like calling out Dame for not winning anything in Portland. Go back and look at his rosters. He never had a contending-level team or even close. Replace AI & Westbrook (no disrespect to Russ) on that OKC team and they go on the run GS went on or better. His 01 finals trip was eerily similar to LeBron's 07 vs SAS. Neither should've gotten that far with those rosters. I also think if Philly got Rasheed Wallace instead of Detroit they could've won at least one title. Bottom line Philly squandered the entire career of a legend.

[@pinheadlarry3992]

Every time KD opens his mouth he gets clowned. How can someone be so delusional that they actually think they should be in the GOAT convo when most people see them more as a meme than a legend?

[@machoboys8884]

Players respect KD infinitely more than you’re implying.

[@og_mante5138]

KD is the Meek Mill of basketball. Super talented with very little self awareness.

[@5stariley]

Because every single person to play basketball at that level HAS to think of themselves as 1-2 tiers higher than us fans actually see them as. There is a reason Paul pierce said he was better than dwade. Lebron thought he was the was the goat when he only had 3 rings. Everyone that’s gets to the nba has to have some sort of pride (or delusion if u want to call it that) that makes them believe that they are better than they are

[@UncleYakuza]

@@5starileythank you. They don’t get it

[@CrazyxEnigma]

A lot of them have this level of confidence in themselves this isn't unique to KD. It's just the fact KD still somehow doesn't understand him going to GS was weak and just hasn't done enough.

[@za5528]

10:03 two amazing rivalries, the Warriors-Thunder AND Warriors-Cavs could've both been amazing rivalries over the 2010s

[@MoppyTheMopster]

dom please keep using that intro forever lol

[@CDodger24]

Could upgrade the intro once GTA 6 online drops.

[@KingJinzo2125]

I’ve been watching Dom for like 10 years now, and that intro never gets old

[@ajodbeats]

KD has to drop like 101 points and win one more ring and MVP and then he will be in the GOAT talk. I know that sounds crazy but it's facts. But it's because Jordan and LeBron raised the bar so damn high people don't stand a chance you have to super separate yourself from the crowd!

[@ballislife9924]

Damn that intro with that music gave me major nostalgia to back from like 5-6 years ago.

[@Rlucas198823]

Dom keep it going with the classic intro music 🔥🔥. It brings back the good ole days.

[@alexanderboulton2123]

Moments make legends. What great moments does KD have? 😂

[@Elite-ug6pk]

Can't win without the greatest team of all time and he's confused as to why he's not in the convo lol. I get players have to be delusional to a degree to be that good but this is next level, especially since not too long ago he was calling Lebron the greatest.

[@ButtaDurkio]

Love to see barbershop back 💯💯

[@theetruth8626]

This is the problem people wants to rank players skill set and popularity as main factors in who the best. Instead of the players actual impact on winning when they playing.

[@qdg.productions]

It’s the problem with sports in the Western side of the world imo.

[@DenniDownBad]

Its simple. Kevin Durant doesn't belong in the GOAT Conversation. 6:18 yeah Finals rings are a Team Accomplishment. Maybe not as much as say an Super Bowl ring in the NFL but still; it took a team to win those. Now Finals/Super Bowl MVPs is where it get interesting...

[@Legendary_god2002]

KD is a great player but he has not achieved the level of achomplistments like lebron who is in the conversation of GOAT.

[@machoboys8884]

KD has hit daggers and easily beat LeBum who has a “GOAT” case according to you. He’s the greatest scorer of all time. Went to a team that didn’t even win a chip that year and instantly made them the best team EVER. The best scorer ever and the most skilled scorer ever. Carried Westbrick to a finals run. Carried known playoff chocker Harden to the finals. Sounds like GOAT shit to me

[@coolKid-pm1rm]

He’s also just not as good of a player as Bron.

[@Legendary_god2002]

@@machoboys8884 kd jumped to a team that was well accomplished and already had lots of chemistry where bron went to the heat where there was no chemistry and needed time to play together and bron has won cleveland a ring and against 73-9 team being down 3-1 and also lebron plays to his strength has come clutch like game 6/7 of ths 2013 finals and games 5-7 and has hit game winners and he knows he is not a 1 on 1 guy and knows it is not his strength so he plays the game where he is effective and crafted his game to a dangerous level.

[@machoboys8884]

@@Legendary_god2002 Bron got outplayed by Jason Terry. Not trying to hear it

[@Munchkkinz]

we all know how elite KD was for over a decade, hes in the top 10-20 but he'll never be viewed any higher sadly@@machoboys8884

[@Jz115zombies]

Might be ur best take ever Dom good shit

[@socialistbatman1211]

with 1 MVP and 2 phony rings, I dont see how could anyone think his resume even sniffs GOAT discussions

[@hugovazquez7533]

Been watching barbershop talks for like 7 years now bro this is crazy

[@willemdaho3]

after steph and the warriors won a championship WITHOUT kd, him being in the goat discussion died

[@Lemmeborrow5]

KD is one of the greatest scorers we have ever seen in the sport of basketball. Out of the 400+ NBA players in the League, he is top 5 no DEBATE. But he has never been considered to be the GOAT of anything. He isn’t a leader, not a guy that can rally the troops and had to join the warriors to get a chip. Ever since then, he has only been trying to form super team after super team and basically has been HOMIE HOPPING.

[@jasonp3431]

The old intro took me back

[@slowmo7219]

Never thought an nba player would be insecure about their greatness at basketball

[@x6King6x]

He gotta win 1 to be suggested to be in it, and has to win 2 to be part of it.

[@orchestrator6808]

4 is honestly the minimum. Lebron didn’t really get actual consideration until he won his 4th and broke the scoring title.

[@playc.holder6432]

We all agree Larry Bird is in the conversation despite winning his titles with more hall of fame teammates than most... KD *easily* deserves the same consideration If he can cobble together another championship without the same HOF help Larry enjoyed. Sincerely feel like there's an anti-recency bias going on here and I'm just putting it out there that 5-10 years after KD hangs up his sneakers well start to appreciate the time we got watching him play. Fuck Greg Oden.😂

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

@@playc.holder6432 foolish comment, larry bird was drafted to the celtics and took a bad team from the mud to the top, KD had to go join a stacked loaded warriors dynasty team with 3 all star guys who had 2 superstar guys on it in curry and klay, in fact curry won back2back unanimous mvp, and he went to go join a team like that? horrible

[@BurntGarlicBread]

0:33, in the cavs 2016 run david blatt was fired even though the cavs were the first seed with a 30-11 record on 22nd of January as a matter of fact so around the same timing as adrian griffins firing

[@Dyl3423]

Another Barbershop another good day

[@Madvillainy48]

Barbershop talks with Dom is always elite sports talk

[@stephorelse]

Even by foregoing everything past 2020 and setting a blank slate....the expectations that come with the goat convos are crazy....each season is Ring or Fraud allegations, that's why Jordan fans are extremely harsh with Ramone KD really does not want that type of expectations and scrutiny every year, heck every game, of the remainder of his career

[@jonathansykes4986]

Also I have KD around 10-13th on my list, either ahead of Curry or behind Curry and it's always difficult. Here are his advanced stats and where he ranks. PER: 9th 25.25 Ws/48: 14th 0.2136 WS: 18th 166.95 BPM: 9th 6.78 OBPM: 5th 6.05 VORP: 10th 83.08 Now these numbers are not set in stone with KD still active so some will go down and some will go up.. but even as he is active, he has played 1,044 games which for a lot of guys on the all-time list is more than their entire careers. Just off these advanced stats, KD should be placed anywhere from 7 to 13. Obviously you can't tell an entire story with just advanced stats. That's foolish. But you can infer a lot from them. Such as, Jokic had incredibly advanced stats before being "noticed" by national media and now he is getting the attention he deserves. Was last year (champion) a breaking out period for Jokic? No of course not. He was an amazing player before he won the title. But with the advanced stats, we can infer a lot from KD as well. We can see that he is an elite all-time talent that should be mentioned with the greatest (aside from MJ/Bron), and the reason everyone got upset that he went to the Warriors is because he was a cheat code for that team. Not only did they have arguably the 3rd best player in the league (and maybe 2nd) in Steph Curry but now they add in the only player better not named Bron on their team. KD's arrival to GS made them a favorite to win the title 2 out of the 3 years he was there in the pre-season. Not a favorite in that they were the top of the betting odds,, but a favorite as in, you have to place more money than to get money back (i.e. had to place $150 to win $100). There has been no team in history of the NBA (not even Jordan's bulls), to pull that off. KD's legacy will go down as, one of the greatest players ever, but one who made the "softest" moves ever.

[@theetruth8626]

The game isn't about who game looks the best it's about who game wins the best.

[@Okuni_]

curry will always be in front of durant in the goat convo

[@IDontmeanit]

💯

[@lloyddaking6024]

10:10 y’all I’m weak af rn 🤣

[@farstrider4592]

I was initially super excited about KD’s move to Golden State because the fit just seemed so perfect basketball wise, as if assembling a roster in nba2k come to real life. But then I witnessed game 4 of the 2018 Finals and just how seemingly joyless and hollow it was; the way the Cavs just submitted to the inevitable. It’s weird because you would want teams to assemble the best possible roster for competing. But when you actually build that perfect team and then see it play out in reality, it’s kinda not as fun.

[@drey6111]

Goat of pickup lol, he'd give your goat buckets on a blacktop

[@theophilusjones6024]

I expect another video tomorrow or tonight about Terry Rozier coming home to Miami 👀

[@za5528]

13:03 I do think KD values one-on-one pure skill much more than most people when judging greatness tbf, like I think he would rank Kyrie much higher than most people would even if they weren't friends, he talks much more about Embiid than about a currently greater player like Giannis, etc

[@GarbageMan144]

True fair point. I dont even think kd and Kyrie are friends anymore tbh

[@getabuck]

Kevin Durant has to show and prove that he can win a championship outside of his GS days to be in the 🐐 convo, plan and simple

[@colekuczek9812]

He left the conversation the moment he left OKC.

[@alvaromonserrat1960]

I hate this type of discourse. I'm not even a KD fan but he went to play basketball in a great city with great teammates and accomplished everything you can accomplish in the sport. Why is it so important to struggle and fight for championships to be "respected". He went out there and won 2 rings while being a top 5 player in the league. What else can you ask of a player?

[@eranhasid7630]

By going to the Warriors KD didn't just ruin the warriors vs cavs rivalary but also okc vs warriors rivalary that was about to unravel.

[@hibachi1542]

Dude need to recreate this intro with GTA 6

[@RightStickRob]

You have seen it happen before. It literally happened to David Blatt the same exact way.

[@MOCdude]

Kevin Durant without those championship rings would be getting comparisons to Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Chris Paul or James Harden type of players in convos and probably still ranks above of them all but that would’ve been a somewhat of a hit on his legacy

[@rowen4989]

I think one thing that’s keeping him from the goat convo outside the warriors stuff is that he’s never had a season where he was the UNDISPUTED best player in the league. 2021 imo he was deff the best player in the league but giannis and Lebron still had a solid case for number one. Even in his MVP season it was still widely believed that bron was better. I still have KD in my top 10 tho

[@Infinityflow0]

If KD were to win with the nets or the suns now, those championships would definitely be more respected, because it was a team that had to be created and molded throughout the season. The fact that golden state was a championship winning team already, and he joined what was established also hurts his status to fans. He had to be better than Harrison barnes to win essentially. It was basically like Bob Mcadoo joining the lakers but multiplied by 10.

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

KD forming a superteam on the nets, is same as lebron forming a superteam with heat, if he won with them I wonder how people would have respected it, but they would somehow, for me I wouldn't

[@easymoneyrad]

Dom saying kd fucked up the bron and steph rivalry is hilarious “he fuxked that up” as a warriors fan he did but damn i ain’t mad at it, would love to see the next magic n bird tho

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

we won't see another rivalry again, because that messed up the leagues entirety of caring to rebuild or develop superstar guys, they think you just trade and get them now

[@gforcetv8005]

He’ll have to win in phoenix and then go to the Knicks and win plus win 2 more mvp’s and finish top 3 on the all time scoring list

[@tonyshlean]

They say Lebron would’ve been better off staying in Cleveland but that’s way more true for KD. OKC was undoubtedly HIS franchise. And he was clearly the best scorer in the A with 4 scoring titles super early and seemingly easily.

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

I watched NBA at that time, and was a huge celtics fan, when were beating on his team with a below average cavs team, and he was thinking about leaving, it made sense to me a lot at that time, I actually don't understand how people expect him to stay on that team, that was no championship caliber team at all, its crazy how narratives have changed, but his superteam forming is prob what people don't respect

[@gabagool9074]

Even if we count his two rings like they were dirk rings. That’s still not close to enough to be the goat. He doesn’t have enough MVPs, DPOYs, scoring titles. The case isn’t there

[@joejett5084]

What made lebron move to the heat ok if you’re not a hater is that he actually carried them. 2 mvps during that time. Clearly wade was on the decline and bosh didn’t get monster numbers when actually competing on a contender but still a good player with a rotation of last stop and then out the league players. That’s not a superteam

[@IzzyItachi]

You can tell that the way most people don’t respect those championships eats at him.

[@jonathansykes4986]

Also" Jordan, 6 MVP Kareem, 6 MVP Russell, 5 MVP Lebron, 4 MVP. Wilt, 4 MVP Magic, 3 MVP, Bird, 3 MVP Moses, 3 MVP KD only has ONE mvp.

[@goat369]

It’s about damn time we got another one 🥹🥹

[@whenisdinner2137]

Win 4 more finals MVPs and regular season MVPs

[@illicitburn9386]

KD has the talent of a 1 but the mentality of a 2 which is what hurts him. You cant run from the pressure of being the star then say you are in the convo of the greats who put in that work

[@JuanTonSoupXP]

Can’t wait to see people genuinely offended by NBA opinions

[@jordandwiggins1026]

He’s basically in the highest tier you can be without seriously being practically anyone’s pick for the GOAT. Same tier as Hakeem, Dr. J, West, Oscar, Dirk. You could argue him above or below any of those guys, and depending on your priorities you could even argue him over some of the fringe GOAT debate guys like Curry or Bird or Shaq, though I wouldn’t personally. But each of those 3 guys, along with Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, Russel, Magic, Duncan, Kobe and Wilt have at least some kind of argument for being the GOAT, even if obviously a few have a much stronger one than the others. The only thing you could argue KD being the GOAT of is most impressive scoring skillset. In every other facet of being the GOAT though every one of those other guys I listed beats him in some significant areas, particularly as team leaders. That’s the one thing he’s never really been on a title winning team, we all know that his two rings were on Steph’s squad even if KD may have been more talented at that particular time. What adversity has he overcome? What significant challenges has he faced and came out of proving himself as one of the GOATs of the game? I can’t really think of any.

[@EST126]

Bro curry is not a fringe goat he’s one of the most glazed of all time

[@EAster33]

David blatt vibes

[@cordellking6360]

Who's more efficient then kd I'll wait

[@FavTrain]

Obviously KD is still a walking bucket now, but he was diffy on the warriors. This 16 min highlight tape is nuts

[@sofokliskalantzis]

The cavs fired David blatt mid season in 2016 and it worked out so we'll see.It depends on who they replace him with.

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

Hopefully not Doc Rivers

[@jonathansykes4986]

In 2002-03, when Kidd made the finals against the Spurs, he was 7-10th ranking player. Finished 9th in MVP votes. In 2015-16, KD finished 5th in MVP vote and had merit to be the 2nd best player in the league. Also 2003-04, Kidd would be 30. 2016-17, KD was 28. Edit: also Kidd never won MVP before or after his Spurs decision. KD won the MVP 2 years previously.

[@MarLikeIt]

Even tho KD has 2 rings. It feels as if he’s still ringless.. I slightly put him above Iverson Malone and Barkley. He’s top 15. Needs another 2 or 3 rings to be top 10, which won't happen

[@leroyrodgers6089]

But Dom, asking KD why he thinks he is in the GOAT discussion is a really interesting question.

[@Noble992]

True but KD is soft and Would probably storm out of the interview only after complaining about Dom not being a top 25 nba player discrediting his weak moves if asked

[@davidstumpfl5889]

I'm one of those people who'd at least humor the argument for like 13 people as NBA GOAT. So if I humor him, KD is arguably the most versatile scorer (best scorer?), and he was the clear best performer on arguably the best team ever. A literal juggernaut of a team that we all knew was going to dominate as long as they were together, and he was the clear favorite for Finals MVP both times (hence all of the hate Steph was getting for a while there). And his career isn't over yet! His longevity, especially after that scary injury a few years back, is genuinely impressive, and were LeBron not clearly setting a new bar for what longevity means we'd probably be gushing even more about KD. But as Dom said... straight up comparing the resumes and stats and accolades... KD is super impressive but not nearly the same level of some others. He's my #13.

[@hardwoodgems]

Essentially, one could see KD winning a Greatest of All Time 1vs1 tourney, but basketball as a profession is a team sport. I actually hold it against Durant more, that he wouldn't remain a cog in a great system, and had to go play hero ball elsewhere. A tragedy to team sports is having talent and dedication, but caring less about sacrificing for the benefit of team.

[@0vern9K]

Why is bron in the thumbnail and not kobe

[@TheJadariusExperience]

He’s a great player hell one of the best forwards of all time but that goat conversation is dead at the moment.

[@rulerjayohenn3161]

The only way kd would have been respected for going to golden state if he would have owned his decision. Became the villain and relished in it instead of try to deny.

[@ianhale7797]

No disrespect but when did Kobe overtake Kareem Abdul Jabbar in the GOAT Convo cause I don’t think that makes sense

[@lifeonthelake4367]

Exactly, kobe is a bit farther down the line

[@sgtfrozty]

Kobe fans, people pointing out he played alongside Magic and Bron's longevity will do that to him His status being shifted every other day is fascinating tho.

[@chrispy7009]

I mess with that new intro 💯🔥

[@machoboys8884]

Not close to a new intro

[@willemdaho3]

sound like a bot reply. the intro isn't new lol

[@ballislife9924]

That's actually the old one

[@chrispy7009]

@@ballislife9924oh fr

[@NeverwascooL]

It's crazy cause I'm only 3 years younger than KD and his entire career he's had at least one player ranked above him as best in the league and that's automatically a disqualification for GOAT talk in my opinion. You can't be 3rd or 2nd best in your era and expect to be considered a GOAT

[@ptown24]

David Blatt got fired like this 2015 or 2016

[@KootenaiKing]

Dude just may go down as the best scorer in NBA history. He don't need to be the GoaT. He made scoring look effortless; he could dribble, he could shoot from every level (mid-range, 3, etc.) could blow by a defender, or pull-up with tight defense being played. But dude really adopted the "if you can't beat em, join em" mindset to the extreme by joining a 70-win Warriors team. For no reason but to get an easy ring. So no, no GoaT for you, Durant. At this point, KD would have to go to Minnesota or Memphis and win a championship with a raggedy team to even be considered a GoaT in my book. Going to Golden State was the stupidest decision ever.

[@andrewchester3527]

Most delusional era of all time, with Lebron, curry, and kd bein the most delusional players of all time

[@koyoyoyo1170]

Imagine if jordan had his second threepeat with shaq in the magic after losing to them, then shaq wins with kobe in the 2000s anyways. thats what happened to kd.

[@AustinMulkaMusic]

You played in the NBA?

[@StancedHellcat]

On top of the fact that he hasn’t accomplished anywhere near the amount of accolades the people in goat conversation have, he hasn’t even accomplished anything outside of literally the greatest team in NBA history, sure he was “1 toe” away from winning against the bucks but that’s just it he didn’t win, there’s no point in saying he “almost” did it when he didn’t do it plain and simple

[@TheAmazingHow]

Didn't you say you were out of the GOAT take business last week?

[@donaldhutchison4652]

😂😂😂😂bruh he sure did

[@Daddysports79]

I thought KD got hit too hard for the Dubs decision, but now he movin funny on a regular basis (allegedly) I don’t really know what to make of his comments and feel like he’s somewhat trolling, has to be right? lol

[@GunninRebel55]

People say KD going to GS is the same as LeBron going to Miami. Here's why it's not: OKC put 2 other MVP's plus an all defense guy (Serge) on the same team & timeline with KD to play with. Cleveland never drafted or added a single all star, 1st/2nd/3rd team all NBA or all-defense guy to play with LeBron. In fact, his roster (Snow, Gooden, Varejao, Ilgauskus etc) was downright awful. LBJ got that team with zero real talent to the finals in his 4th season at 22 yrs of age so u can imagine what he would've done with 2 additional league MVP's added in '04 & '05. No one from that Cavs roster went on to become anything of note after LeBron. Again, 2 of KD's teammates went on to win MVP's. Ibaka continued to dominate protecting the rim, his GM Sam Presti is STILL regarded as one of the great GM's of the league. LeBron had none of that in Cleveland. If he did, he stays and wins multiple titles. KD had everything a great player needs to win and then some amd he still failed then joined the team he failed to.

[@lilkingMJ]

Not necessarily disagreeing. However, not even mentioning KDs Achilles feels like an oversight imo

[@MastaBlastaS99]

Why would that matter? You don't get points for things you don't do. Nobody says Kobe is the GOAT because of his achilles.

[@lilkingMJ]

@@MastaBlastaS99 I’m not talking about him in that debate. I’m talking about in the retelling of KDs career.

[@MastaBlastaS99]

@@lilkingMJ Oh my bad. Dom said he lost some time due to injuries tbf, though it was very brief.

[@lilkingMJ]

@@MastaBlastaS99 all good. N that’s fair. Just felt like a slight omission.

[@AustinMulkaMusic]

If KD won in OKC, it would be like going from 0 rings to 3 rings in the eyes of fans and media. Another thing is--he was with Kyrie and Harden and didn’t win and joined a number 1 seeded Suns team that added Bradly Beal. For KD to be looked at like LeBron, he would need to win chips in OKC, Brooklyn, and the Suns. LeBron has never played in an organization and not won a championship. The Cavs were one of the most mismanaged franchises of all time.

[@lifeonthelake4367]

O'Neil, kobe and Duncan over Bird is sacrilege

[@SpeedHomeAttack]

If KDs feet weren’t so big, he would’ve had a real shot to put himself in the GOAT conversation during the 2021 playoffs. That was the most people have ever respected and praised KD ever since he left OKC. He genuinely looked like the best player on the planet during that Bucks series. Maybe if he had just 1 star out of Harden and Kyrie not hurt, they possibly could’ve won it all.

[@dreamer3815]

I agree he was playing lights BUT he MADE a Superteam so I really don’t think nobody would’ve of took that chip serious. Unless if it was just Ky and KD before the harden trade then I would agree 👍

[@WalterFlanagin]

@@dreamer3815even with Harden and Kyrie that’s a real ring. Joining a 73-9 team isn’t the same as being on a team with 2 all stars, a couple washed centers, and a couple spot up shooters who can’t shoot

[@LarryJames72699]

Lmao I got into a whole argument about this then that mfer KD hit that game winner. Basketball Gods were lit last night. But honestly yo, the GOAT debate is very subjective. I'm okay with people calling Magic, Larry, Wilt, B. Russel, etc the GOAT so I gotta be cool with KD being considered the GOAT in some folks eyes. I got him top 15

[@pomnahh]

I’m throwing Kobe in there

[@larrymanx]

Putting all value of championships aside. KD doesn’t even have enough accolades in general to be in the conversation. Only 1 mvp “only” 2 championships. The debate is between two guys where one has 6 ships and 5 mvps and the other has 4 of each not to mention the all time leading scorer in nba history. Respectfully KD hasnt done enough yet in his career to be considered in this conversation.

[@JuiceLeeLLC]

I think kd is looking at it from the standpoint of an individual basketball player there isn't too many better than him at the game. Remove accolades and solely based on ability.

[@gpearce11]

MJ: 5x MVP, 6x FMVP, 6 Finals wins of 6 appearances. 10x scoring champ. Lebron: 4x MVP, 4x FMVP, 4 Finals wins of 10 appearances. Most points ever, will be only 40K/10K/10K player. Kareem: 6x MVP, 2x FMVP, 6 Finals wins of 10 appearances. KD: 1x MVP, 2x FMVP, 2 Finals wins of 3 appearances. Also KD: "Why am I not in the GOAT conversation?" Sorry KD, but of those four careers one is noticably lacking compared to the others, and it ain't MJ, LeBron or Kareem. Even if we ignore how you got your rings and FMVPs (e.g. if you'd gotten them with OKC instead) you still wouldn't even be top 5.

[@emfbat]

i dont know if it's a combination of social media with the 2k game that confuses this generation on the understanding that you should never confuse potential with success. this is why I have a problem with lebron being even top 5 because lebron is in my list of most physically gifted players but the man can't win the championship at a higher rate than others. on paper LeBron should be the goat but in reality all that potential did not translate into winning the chip as much as the kobe and mj supporters would have liked. the chip is the most important thing. we cannot fall into the fallacy that the operation was a success but the patient died type of thought. it doesn't do justice to WINNERS. as far as kd goes if stayed in golden state and had 5 chips combined with his game there would be no denying he should be there but 2 chips far from it.

[@jonathansykes4986]

Championships are overrated when it comes to determining all-time rankings. KD could never have gone to GS if they did not have the salary freedom to sign him. 1/3rd of teams in the league have not won an NBA title (11, 10 if you take out OKC) and half (5) of those have not made an NBA finals (add 1 more if you include Brooklyn (previously New Jersey) nets).

[@NiyiDaNinja]

Rings don't hit s much when the team you're on reached the Finals pretty easily without you and won 2 games in the Finals without you. KD still top 15 to me but I ain't putting him over Hakeem or Steph or Larry who are the bottom 3 in my top 10 let alone in even a conversation with all the guys I have above those 3

[@jonathansykes4986]

KD is amazing but he should never be discussed with the 2 GOATS (Jordan and Lebron). People like to add Kareem name to that list.. and even Magic, Duncan, Wilt, Russell. But they are not in the Jordan or Lebron tier.

[@FreedomMonster1]

Okc let Harden go because they didn’t wanna pay luxury tax I believe. Would you play for that franchise if you felt they weren’t taking winning as seriously? So Durant put himself in a better position to win, with an excellent franchise devoted to winning at the time. I think we are way too hard on Durant. He was a legitimate free agent then.

[@givemesometime8405]

The same team he blew a 3-1 lead against nahhh. Game 5 and 6 shows why he’s not in the goat conversation. He can’t close out a series tbh

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

@freedommonster5762 true, and it's also lost on how unfair it is for Bron to be able to go to Miami and win with a superteam - which it was - and get the spoils thereof used against KD as it has in the greater comments thread.

[@jasonf7072]

@@T.H.E.O.R.Y. At the time, the league & fans *HATED* Lebron for what he did. KD did what LeBron did, but worse. Plus LeBron went on to win 2 more championships after leaving Miami. And even ignoring championships, LeBron still has a more impressive resume than KD. More MVPs, more All-NBA selections, more NBA all-defense, he’s the all-time leading scorer etc.