J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 4 - What is a healthy mind?

J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 4 - What is a healthy mind?
Summary:
What is analysis and what is observation?
Attention implies a great deal of care, affection, love. It's not just mental attention, it's attention with all your being.
You have established a kind of relationship, perhaps very profound, when there is love. I may reject you but you have that responsibility of love - not only to the particular person but to the whole of humanity.
What is an enemy? Is there such thing as an enemy?
I am mankind. Because I suffer or I enjoy, I go through all the tortures, and so do you. You are the rest of mankind, and therefore you have a terrible responsibility for that, in that.
Is there anything sacred in life? Not thought creating something sacred and then worshipping that as sacred, which is absurd.
If there is something beyond, why do we create the symbol, the intermediary?
If I want to find out if there is anything sacred I must start very near. The very near is me. And can I free myself from fear, agony, sorrow, despair? When there is freedom I can move, I can climb mountains.
Is silence of the mind a state of attention?
What is a healthy mind?
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[@flusterbust]

Just observing these men have the patience and willingness to learn and understand each other without judgement is what it’s all about.

[@williamwasilewski7925]

Amen 🙏🏻

[@garson8217]

I can relate to that

[@manijepiano1115]

So true!

[@getinspired5335]

Exactly 💯

[@everyday775]

Still three wild tribal minds persist... Can you see that?

[@manijepiano1115]

krishnamurti was about 87 years old at the time. What a gift he owned! This unbelievable brightness and wisedom!

[@javiergomezvillarreal2002]

Krishnamurti should be studied and taught at schools from childhood.

[@Kobe29261]

First somebody must systematize what he taught and so far nobody has . . . perhaps because he didn't want it systematized.

[@adityakharade9868]

Yes

[@jonesbest9386]

@@Kobe29261 they should just show these 4 videos over and over again, one video a day instead of religious instructions, nothing more needed

[@girinathprthi]

Than again the cycle continues. You just grasp an idea of his videos and that thought tries to become it through process. At the end people will make him as some deity or some superior being and start religion again. All these 4 videos just says simply to look into ourselves and see what is happening, trying to solve our own.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

@@Kobe29261 I have done that.

[@poppystils974]

This man should be shown in schools.

[@jr1019]

they rather teach gender studies

[@prasadmahadik5684]

Nobody would, its a threat to existing order.

[@purohitchintan66]

Well said.

[@AlexAlex-bj1vi]

why?

[@AlexAlex-bj1vi]

this man should never be in schools

[@jamnoise72]

This has just changed my whole life !! worth watching all 4 guys !!

[@vrkondemand]

Dear Foundation,please share as much as content of K. K's teachings are the most priceless gift that humanity can have.

[@MandeepKumar-tn1mk]

8 billion people on the planet and only 40K views. There is urgent need to spread this education in the world!

[@purohitchintan66]

Mandeep Kumar we can spread it.

[@bhavik.ramani]

The whole problem is people would'nt want to see this series of discussions, it may seem so boring,lengthy and dry to many.

[@larsnorqvist6905]

Yes, so lets try to start to do it, each one of us looking. I for my part has some urgent buisness to attend with my own self, I am a beginner, a novice, but I have started some dialouge with friends about this.

[@jonesbest9386]

@@purohitchintan66 we can make a hip hope trance mashup out of it. then people will know jk. then the ones who consciously search for truth will watch these vids

[@jonesbest9386]

@@larsnorqvist6905 im going to show these vids a friend when we get super high =D, its going to be more epic than lord of the rings 10h on one day =D

[@ArunPaul-Malaysia]

It's crazy and insane..but by some reflexes, I get emotional, breakdown into tears watching, hearing him. If that isn't LOVE..I don't know what is.

[@narayanabhandary3797]

Yes, very close to realisation... Will be useful to merge "I" with "Me", and feel the universe in Self🙏

[@larsnorqvist6905]

Thanks Arun, its nice to hear somebody with the same experience, we are so conditioned that we think that we are crazy when we hear the truth and gets moved by it. The danger lies of course that we can start to become attached to the human, but what the heck, I will cry anyway if thats my reaction, I cant do anything about it.

[@NoUsernamae]

You're right. You don't know what love is. That is where the enquiry must begin.

[@atamtaki9336]

Oh Arun, you're too emotional. Then you cannot know. Your observations are obscured by emotions.

[@MukeshAmbani_Mumbai]

Sir, may be it is due to your deep hidden pain. Which is normal thing.

[@emanuellopez8578]

J Krishnamurti is one of the most lucid person I've ever heard, I wish everyone could know at least his perspective about humanity

[@donjohnson7363]

This is a beautiful interaction with Krishnamurti, one of the most insightful world teachers for humans being human and kind.

[@Jon010468]

Thank you, have been struggling with this for 30 years and have just received clarity on the observer is the observed , thanks

[@jr1019]

Jon Jones Can you explain this to me as I'm still grappling with what is meant by the observer and the observed? About attention being timeless and observing implying time.? I know JK talked about but the audio is poor on my end and for some reason I'm have troubles understanding due to his accent and low pitched voice.

[@saipavan851]

Like K said in the video, i don't want to be an interpreter of what he is saying. . . . . . But see this my friend, The Brain is recording all the time, because that is its habit, it records because it wants to find safety and security which is illusory in the realm of psyche and practical in the realm of day to day business. Let this brain NOT record in terms of psychological matters. >>>>> If it does, all it has is, JUDGMENTS, Conclusions, ideas, abstractions, attachments, all these are done with the intention unconsciously to pursue security. These are STORED up as MEMORY. >>>>> When the moment comes, that is your INTERACTION with the world comes, many of them ( the ideas/conclusions/abstractions/attachments ] take the place of the present moment , so you allow them to take your ENERGY. And THOUGHT here plays the TRICK that it is separate from the PAST and plays as the "OBSERVER", but the VERY THOUGHT doesn't exist if there is no RECORDING, therefore the OBSERVER is the PAST. So, the observer says, i have this JUDGEMENT/CONCLUSION, so i want to ACT according to it, or i want to MODIFY it or i want to ADJUST it. In that sense, OBSERVER (which is the PAST) is acting/modifying/adjusting itself, which means the OBSERVER IS THE OBSERVED. >>>>> And because of this energy is wasted or dissipated and as a result of that, there is BECOMING. And which further becomes endless conflict, which brings MISERY. And all this happens, because there is NO ATTENTION. NO ATTENTION implies RECORDING. ATTENTION implies a dynamic MOVEMENT without any sense of recording, JUST WATCHING, so, when you are listening, hearing, seeing, all you DO IS RECORD/RECORD/RECORD and because of this IN ATTENTION, there is a NEED for security and all this MAKES you so lethargic, with LACK of ENERGY and you become terribly superficial and ATTACHED. This is my understanding of it, which i have COME ABOUT by understanding my OWN "UN HEALTHY MIND". So, dear friend, PLEASE DO it with yourselves and see it for yourselves. And you will DISCOVER that AMAZING FACT that we are so freaking superficial in our lives. And That's the SADDEST PART OF IT. Please, Please, remember the above is my own VIEW, not what K has said

[@playdohvideos7408]

@@jr1019 We are always the observer and at the same time the observed. I observe myself outwardly and inwardly. I'm the analyzer and at the same time I am also the analyzed. We can't step out of this beingness. Only through meditation we can slowly calm down the agitated mind and see more what is happening inside of our bodies and brains.

[@mesmemo2373]

@aksjzjsjskskdjaiamzbhzhd ask yourself "who is this I that is struggling" and don't expect an answer... It's an thought that predents to be SELF, and you unconsciously adopt that identity, and therefore suffering

[@trudywaters764]

@niurka it's tough to get but don't give up. It will be worth it.

[@errol-ih4jy]

i think when K speaks, even the great minds that are there in that room, are like children blown away by him, which tells me he is something special to mankind, but will we listen, its our choice,ive heard it say that K is not a kind man, but i think hes beyond that, because his message is filled with great affection for mankind, with no reward to himself, which is the greatest love one can give.

[@fromegotoherobyzero2068]

I love the fact how they are not in a hurry and i completely agree with you. JK has an very peacefull impact to mankind but only for those who were ready to listen. 2020 and this is still beyond our time.

[@lame_guy1]

@@fromegotoherobyzero2068 Definitely he is even beyond our time 🙏🙏🙏 Great human being

[@juliangiulio3147]

Don't listen to hearsay! When seeing K here, do you think he could be unkind? Can water become dry!? If one feels oneself to be the world, would one harm it?

[@xiangchen9558]

Agree. Listen to JK reminds me of Socrates - with absolute clarity, it's such a enjoyment simply listen to him... And i think his mind is in a total different dimension, he sees right into the essence of each matter, for him, a simple fact might take other decades even a lifetime to truly realise ...

[@clydemcintee1056]

Has religion given humanity, imaginary illusory comfort?... 54:00 Everyone should watch all of these discussions and with an open mind. Thanks again for sharing.

[@dhyananubhav2955]

Awesome

[@bhavik.ramani]

Yes , we are scared to inquire into ourselves and our beliefs.

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

Not just religion, that’s one tiny aspect of what this entire conversation has been about; identity; your ego. They talked earlier about how an ego dreams up a brilliant idea, calls it’s best attempt at a perfect idea god, and then the mind worships the thought it created For non religious people, this exact thing still happens but the ego calls it’s own fetishes whatever it calls them Idk if you’ve noticed, currently you can identify as another gender, race or species and everyone else has to indulge that ego trip, and many of those would call themselves atheists But still no closer to a relationship with reality

[@williampowers6666]

One can only hope that human beings seek there true self again and become true sons and daughters of the one true everlasting God

[@kooroshrostami27]

It has benumbed them. Religions are so attractive because they satisfy a very deep emotional desire: the denial of the death of the self. If there is life after death, the death of self - probably are deepest rooted fear - has been denied. But the price for this is to drift into irrationality and havoc. Just look at Palastine, over 70 years of war.

[@Diego_Occhipinti]

Just love these people. Young Sheldrake's shy smile. Thanks for sharing this jewel

[@juliangiulio3147]

Yes, he is so sincere, so transparent in the best sense.

[@baptm727]

I appreciated this series very much, it's rare to see someone having the chance to exchange directly about perspectives with krishnamurti and see where the conversation is going. Most of the time he was speaking to an "audience" and people would not have this opportunity, even if he received a lot of people in private and held conversations like this one with them, it's good to have the chance to witness it other than in a book. Thank you for the upload!

[@stud000000079]

What a mind Krishnamurti! Just by listening to him the listener's mind calms down and begins to just be.

[@dianastocker2626]

This is my favorite segment of these talks

[@Diego_Occhipinti]

So it's mine!

[@saharahmed2483]

Salut to this beautiful Soul, you are all humanity, you are a book we all need to read, I have cried listening to this series of great exchange so lucky to stumble upon this on youtube

[@sumaiasaif82]

True! It's very powerful! :)

[@wendymonette9958]

These talks are invaluable. Thank you for posting them.

[@daylewestwood41]

3 intellectuals, going through self realisation little by little. A seed is being planted inside of them. This is how the nameless devine with no identity works its magic, speaking to that which abides in us all and recognizes thruth. Beautiful 🙏

[@Anton-fw2wb]

I am so deeply moved. I think is not a case this actual possibility of hearing him. Thank you.

[@atamtaki9336]

You're too emotional. Your observations are obscured by emotions.

[@maiteyailengarciacarallero8811]

Prima bevo il tè così dopo guardo in pace con la massima attenzione, già sorrido...., sorrido...., sorrido...... . È fantastico essere qui ad ascoltare, AD ASCOLTARE👂❤️

[@bivasbisht1244]

Healthy minds discussing with each other !!

[@mesamadhi]

He says everything here! All his philosophy. Attention without effort stops the process of thought and creates a healthy mind.

[@sunitasonawane7337]

On point man

[@vigneshkanna5531]

"To study the eternal you need to stop time".damn.

[@BinaryJoe]

Sheldrake looks as if he's constantly disappointed in himself for not understanding well enough and elated in his own fashion when Krishnamurti resonates immediately. I would love to have a conversation with a man that humble.

[@akhilupadhyaya3090]

A healthy mind is a that is in emd of conflict. Extraordinary fact so beautifully put down at last

[@jeremiasgramajo4961]

Excelente material para explicar la irracionalidad de la guerra de Malvinas en las aulas argentinas. Enseñar no para generar nacionalismo que como se observa a lo largo de la historia provocan división, ignorancia, guerra. Enseñar para ser mejores y trascender en la sociedad. Ser buscadores. Con suma felicidad y plenitud. Por amor a uno mismo y a la humanidad, como decía J. Krishnamurti.

[@juliangiulio3147]

Si. Todas Guerrras son absurdas, esp Las malvians (y yo soy de Inglaterra!): los dos Argentina & Inglaterra eran como ninos, immadurez... -y estan asi ... todavia! (Yo preferiria una transicion gradual- para 100 anos -o cualquier tiempo se trata, de 'Inglaterra' hacia 'Argentina'!)

[@chandruu1995]

Very deep. But the one who is willing to seek the reality or question himself of what he really is can surpass the dimensions of sorrow, agony, joy and excitement. It is a wonderful journey

[@AndreLuiz-sg2vx]

Thank you very much for sharing this conversations! Really very insightful talk and of immense value if one goes into this, and seek for themselves the beauty of it as they have pointed.

[@happychickenfitnesscult]

This series is blowing my mind, thank you for sharing it.

[@danishpac5279]

Same here 😊

[@nikitha515]

Wonderful series 🙏 thank you 🙏

[@jorgegarciapla6880]

It is logical that attention has nothing to do with effort, but quite the opposite: with the cessation of all effort. The incessant and irresolvable calculation of thought, to which we have been so accustomed for millennia, is a continuous effort, an expenditure of energy that we do not detect.😊

[@pumuckel378]

This psychologis is sitting in watching like me when i was 20 and a wise man was trying to say something. His ego is so strong, his mind so critical, in fear to lose what need to be lost.

[@robertmiller2367]

I don't feel it, he actually worked with JK school, I think the American one for 6yrs, the narrator states this at the beginning of the vid , i think he is trying to learn and keep up, the knowledge is so deep you have to focus intensely just to keep up let alone learn

[@zubcero987]

I would say he was trying to understand as much as possible.

[@nachotenachote9174]

@@zubcero987 Yes, even at times it seemed as if he was reciting the lesson. Even Krishnamurti at one point told him that he had not answered the question, that was because he was not attentive to what was happening, but to have his filters in place (the lesson learned and recited)

[@jenniferlee5871]

His face and form are gentle and reflective of his spirit.

[@adityakharade9868]

You have noticed true thing ma'am.

[@SimonWorner]

it’s so magical seeing this scientist so humble…it’s seems that they understand that k is offering them a tremendous opportunitie but they can’t really grasp it fully yet and are unsure what to do with it ..

[@heylive91]

We are educated to be cruel to each other

[@Surajkumar-xg6qg]

👌

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

That's what religion does.

[@sunandagudi4738]

Is our education raising our ego so high that we r becoming cruel ?

[@juliangiulio3147]

These talks are just the best - honest, mutual, open dialogue-ing where Krishnaji can be Softer, less harsh, and rely on the others (almost) on an equal footing in clarity, truth and contribution. One can see into Krishnji's mind, to some extent... Such Sanity, Wholeness, Sincerity, respect, and Humanity embodied by all four! Really like how one can see a Young-ish Rupert's mind and feeling are very there, transparent; he is so open and available, honestly responsive and sometimes delighted(!) -as are the other two, in their own way... Was particularly touched in one of them how K & David talk of how a young baby/child needs to know that s/he is loved (but how 'that love is kind of rare' :( -one does not usually hear of K talking like this!) Appreciation for those who have cared for and perhaps maintained the recordings! These talks render me happy!

[@junejune6177]

Truly Compassion Compassion Compassion..❤❤❤.Thank you for sharing with the ME!!

[@randomlife5485]

A complete attention to this video takes us deep deep deeper in to the truth. ❤

[@kienthanh2]

Thank you to the Krishnamurti centers and the translators

[@satgurunarayana9911]

J.k is in his best … very good video for serious learner.. thanks for the people behind it

[@jameshetfield5894]

There's something deeply touching to me in watching Rupert’s face when he’s going to the place in himself that JK is pointing to. You can watch him go there and it's beautiful. I love that look

[@TheManCybo]

15:49 The solution. But... the fear of pain, poverty and death outweigh the light. The smile on the young biologists face said everything.

[@TomGarn]

Those following K. so attentively here ... also lift the level for us listeners as well.

[@user-zk5dy9dk7l]

6:15　結局のところ 注意とは 多大な配慮、愛情を意味します 　　　単なる内的な注意でなく 　　　全身全霊の注意です 16:37 注意と集中の違い 32:12 自我の運動全体を洞察することです 　　　それは回想ではありません 　　　洞察とは 己を完全に理解することです 　　　分析したり 審査したりすることなく 　　　完全に あなたの意識の中身すべてを 　　　即座に理解するのです 35:29 注意とは何でしょう？ 　　　『delligent 勤勉』という言葉は 注意の中に含まれます 　　　勤勉になることです 怠慢ではなく 　　　油断がなく 非常に的確であることです 　　--（delligentの）本来の意味は『Taking pain 骨を折る』です 　　　その通り『骨を折る』 つまり 配慮をすること（care） 37:11 注意深く『成る』ことはできません 　　　注意の中には 時間がないからです 　　　『成る』とは時間を意味します 　　　注意中 時間は生じません 　　　故に 注意は 思考の産物ではありません 47:46 あなたは単に 耳の感覚器を使って聞いているのか 　　　それとも実際に聞いてるのか 　　　非常に深く聞くなら それは あなたの一部になります 53:16 涅槃や天国など要らないからです 　　　観察するだけです

[@debasispanda7579]

I feel like crying... He loves humanity..i can feel it

[@ravennaidoo8418]

What an amazing discussion. I must say thought and time is an amazing discussion, nithwithstanding everything else. This discussion addresses a fundamental issue about a free mind

[@atamtaki9336]

K was cooking himself in his own sauce for his self pleasure. Generally. He said we've been educated to fight. While it's well known fact it's a human nature to fight. For ideas, for survival. He didn't observe the world with an discerning eye. All nature has been about fight and survival. We humans are not over the nature whatsoever. We are a part of it and always will. The only positive side of his public presence was asking questions that triggered others to start thinking. But once you do it it comes out most of the time there's nothing there in Krishnamurti. I have to admit here, I have spent a lot of time listening and reading K with pleasure.

[@Gaurav.P0]

Marvelous 😍 This video shifted something inside in me.

[@marcellballa5169]

All images created by our mind are false ideas of the real things they ought to point to. A silent mind (attention) is necessary to see things for what they really are.

[@bennjmin]

Well, given that the video post does not seem to tribute the 3 other gentlemen properly in the comments, let me just add that: to the left of J Krishnamurti sits Prof. David Bohm (Physicist), and to the right sits Dr. John H. Hidley (Psychiatrist), Dr. Rupert Sheldrake (Biologist), in that order. Their paying due attention to Krishnamurti is obviously not driven by scientific arrogance, but by scientific curiosity, which is the right attitude for a scientist.

[@erzsebetpoda2161]

Thank you for this video! Extraordinary MIND !

[@bipolargamechanger]

It looks like night time. These beings were having this conversation while I was being born :) What is a healthy mind is the deep question of my life.

[@robertloughran6740]

He explains everything in the first few minutes,there is no thinker only thought,which divides causing conflict,division,there is no content to study we are the content,content can not study itself,thought can not resolve thought.Only observation of this fact can resolve conditioning.

[@SuperGGLOL]

J. Krishnamurti reminds me of Socrates. His questioning allows the one being questioned to truly analyse his thoughts and come to a logical conclusion.

[@ksami107]

It’s very interesting to see this conversation between all these noblemen however, JK is the only one who could light up the room with his knowledge. Perhaps, because he’s already a speaker? Not sure but it’s great conversation and I wish this kinda conversation could took place this days between gentlemen. Hope the world becomes better.

[@NasBarbic]

I watch this multiple times and I think I got a little bit smarter each time.

[@sensespacepodcast]

These conversations were an absolute pleasure to watch.

[@berhentilahjadijudgemental178]

Precious ever!!!

[@iamlife-gauravdhiman8819]

The one who can experience his/her consciousness within him/herself , can achieve mind like Krishnamurti Sir and the tool to experience is Spiritual Meditation not just to train your mind to learn how to keep focused on one point at one time... Krishnamurti sir talking about that state of mind which is called thoughtless mind or beyond the mind....

[@degen42]

there’s is no achievement to be made nor is there any experience meant to be gained. experience is only memory in forms of images created by the mind. and trying to achieve something is born from desire. which is self centered and therefore takes away all value from what K was saying and what the true message is

[@noone5461]

try to put in practice that J.K said, watch all your thoughts with attention,(not with concentration) for couple hours or more and you will see what he was talking about

[@Kobe29261]

Ah but see already the plot is lost - if you are 'watching your thoughts' - even 'with attention' - the observer has already snuck in with the observed, no?

[@noone5461]

@@Kobe29261 when there is attention there is no observer, observer is observed, basically the attention could be so strong that it realizes the thought with out another thought(observer-past) In that very moment when it just started playing in your head

[@kumar2ji]

I never go weary of listening to these extraordinary dialogues.

[@gour348]

The energy in this discussion is much more grounded than the first 3. The others are much less defensive in their responses to Krishnamurti, here.

[@josepalacios78]

19:20 if you get this part , you are forever free. After 3 yrs finally i am starting to understand this

[@chrishouck2863]

3 years is much to long... one would love to take your hand if needed.

[@mytube20oneone]

K is the only person truly educated. He is untouched by this confused world. Others, like me, are cruelly mauled by world.

[@yashsachar82]

What does J.K. mean when he says - K: Now, is that attention silence of the mind? Which is a healthy, sane mind, uncluttered, unattached unanchored, free mind, which is the healthiest mind. Therefore I am asking, out of that… in that attention, is the mind silent? There is no movement of thought. S: Well, it sounds like it, yes. It sounds like a state of being rather than a state of becoming, because it's not going anywhere or coming from anywhere. K: Again, when you say 'being' what does that mean? Being what? S: Well, being what it is. It's not being something else. K: No, what does that mean, 'being'? Are you putting 'being' as an opposite to becoming? S: Yes. K: Ah, then... the opposite has its own opposite. S: Well, by 'being' I simply mean a state which is not in a process of going somewhere else in time. K: Which means non-movement. S: I suppose so. B: You could say that, yes. K: Non-movement. B: If you say what you mean by movement, that it doesn't mean it's static, to say it's non-movement. K: No, it's dynamic, of course. B: Dynamic, but it's a little difficult. K: There is no moving from here to there. B: But there is another kind of movement, perhaps. K: That's what I want to go into. If we use the word 'being', without movement, it is without thought, without time, which is the movement which we know. But the other has its own dynamism, its own movement, but not this movement, the time movement, the thought movement. Is that what you call 'being'? S: I suppose it is. K: Is that 'being' silent? You follow, sir? We have various forms of silence. Right? S: Yes. It may not be silent in the sense of soundless. K: I am using the word 'silence' in the sense, without a single movement of thought. S: Well, in that sense it must be silent, almost by definition. K: Yes. So, has my mind, the mind, has it stopped thinking? Has - not stopped thinking - has thought found its own place and therefore it's no longer moving, chattering, pushing around? Because there is no controller. You follow? Because when there is a great silence then that which is eternal is. You don't have to enquire about it. It's not a process. It isn't something you achieve, my god! By fasting, by rituals, by all these absurdities. Sir, you hear that. H: Yes. K: You hear X saying that. What value has it? Value in the sense - what do you do with it? Has it any importance or none at all? Because you are going your way. You are a psychologist, you'll go your way, I'll go my way, because I have said what I have to say, and there it ends. Then what? Somebody comes along and says, 'I'll tell you what he means'. You haven't the time. He has a little time, he says, 'I'll tell you all about it'. And you are caught. This is what is happening. From the ancient of times, the Sumerians, the Egyptians, the Babylonians - they have played this. And we are doing still the same kind of nonsense. And I say, what has religion done to man? It hasn't helped him. It has given him romantic illusory comfort. Actually look what - we're killing each other - I won't go into that.

[@jonesbest9386]

i have no time to read all of that

[@ramyarao1175]

Amazing man! Absolutely human!!!!! This needs to be shown on mvies.

[@aserelkashawy]

"to go very far, i must start very near"

[@lukasvesely7910]

I love these wonderful human beings. This talk is so amazingly powerful and apropos for our times specifically regarding the insane amount of tribalism dividing American people these days.

[@stonehengemaca]

You have the responsibility of life.. Not just for yourself, but for the whole of humanity. Peace x

[@dddddddd172]

I never know before this that u can feel so high also also listening to scientific descussions

[@chitranjankumarkushwaha4259]

woow jjust blew my mind .hope i would got this in my college times.so eye opening this lecture

[@GaidKhambGaming]

"To go very far, I must start very near" ~Legend K.

[@MalinaImport]

so much joy watching this

[@Jon010468]

Some people may be stuck between the "attention" and the "observer", it is clear that the attention is not in time but the observer is ,the observer and the observed are both in time, thanks

[@Kobe29261]

How has knowing this freed you or anyone from the 'contamination of memory' - why is it so difficult for these brilliant minds and most of us to enter into this 'instantaneous realization'? Jiddu says meditation does not yield - but his method is so obscure - at least to my mind, who knows where to begin? Inquiry, sure but in what direction?

[@jonesbest9386]

@@Kobe29261 inquiry in the sense of attentive observation of urself, not in the science of analyzing by thought, i think xD. why instantaneuous realization? isnt it supposed to be more gradual by slowly realizing?

[@yesvalli]

@Jon Jones When the gap between the observer and the observed is reconciled, or the gap between the subject and the object, the observer is the observed, there is no separation, no time. Besides the fact is that the observer is the observed. The interesting Question is how does this play out in real time so to speak, how does one see or look at something with attention?

[@yesvalli]

@@Kobe29261 the point of any credible inquiry is that it needs to be directionless. Direction here is predetermined and heads to limited outcomes

[@joginderanand7618]

For many a viewer not really putting their teeth into ks talk :observer is the observed may sound enigmatic But we are never serious about the only thing that matters Our education all else that meets the eye --are all dualistic Education is subject _ object and so on Surely the brain is all the time forming images The world is too much with us Time and space are concepts supplied by mind We live either live in the past or project into the future which too is the past All life is in the eternal Now May I go on It may seem abstract The mind is altogether a different dimension The brain is heavily conditioned and as such all knowledge In silence alone can the mind contact the brain a silent mind is a light to itself I have had only fleeting experiences I would like to excuse myself

[@jenniferlee5871]

“ to go far you must start near”. This is direct. Clear

[@emilmandru.cumamdescoperit5335]

How not to keep secrets to something big to the conversation is maintained between those greatest scient people?!...

[@AkshathaNirmal]

All the layers of conditioning are peeled off one by one when you listen to jiddu. It is a real meditation.

[@akhileshkumarshukla5776]

Pure gold

[@vikaxe]

He is very good at psychology but had a very little idea about Indian culture and believes .. these people spend whole life learning psychology but becomes immediate scholar to comment about Hinduism without having a speck of real study or knowledge of Vedas etc..

[@oliverjohnen6276]

That is exactly what the world needs.

[@johnlivingston1631]

Dr.Bohm helps us to understand better the words of J.

[@jorgegarciapla6880]

Another interesting thing. "I have perceived the thought, its structure, not fragment by fragment, so the totality has come, the intelligence, which is love; my partner resists it, what will happen to our relationship?". This is a "borderline" question in the dialogues between K and Bohm. It is very useful to see the ancestral trap of thought. Intelligence, the natural flow from the undivided (energy) to the fragmented (consciousness) is not a personal attribute, it does not belong to space and time. Intelligence does NOT come to me or to him, as of a given moment. What happens is that, when expressing it with language, all this is encapsulated in the code of words, where the subject that personifies the punctual stories that the consciousness perceives appears. Then, in the now (the timeless), a story with actors is continuously generated. In this case: "I have had an insight, my partner has not, so I can help her, with love and tact, to reach that state". It is absurd, of course, because intelligence is instantaneous: the moment X happens, it will have a totally unpredictable treatment, therefore, it is a simple speculation to wonder what will happen. The question is meaningless. It is like another question that K sometimes asked himself: "they are beating my sister; I, who am a serious man, who have discarded all fragmentation, all suffering, what shall I do with the aggressors?". It makes no sense, it is another leap out of the true (instantaneous) facts on the part of thought. This is infinite and limited: it can always jump from one object to another, an object being an independent form, i.e. limited, with edges. The limited (fragmented) is intrinsically infinite. As we see, the infinite is painted, commonly with a layer of romanticism that legitimizes it.

[@kunalthakrar34]

Rupert Sheldrake's reaction at 16:28 is priceless

[@larrymosca5215]

Brilliant! Just Brilliant!

[@kite9096]

By minute 50:00 my mind started to be blown

[@mesmemo2373]

Immense intellect was Jiddu

[@aek12]

He is beyond intellect. He said it.

[@rupost1]

Krisnamurti gives me always the feeling that I do not understand what he tries to explain. His metaphors are confusing. He asks questions, let the others sweat, but don't gives clarifying answers by himself.

[@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl]

In a way whatever being articulated by K is at one level retelling of the upanishadic wisdoms at core as is in Advita & vedanta thoughts from one perspective similar is the meditative enquiries into ones true self as enumerated by Raman maharishi ..... Great men think alike !!! These days there's lots of rhetoric on the hard questions of conciousness, for advitist there's absolute conviction on experiential realization of consciousness as substractum of the omnipresent energy pervading the universe, while scientists still are not too sure with one acceptable explanation of consciousness as yet....

[@niruparajapakse649]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@RasmoKiMehndi]

Though I don't follow the basic idea discussed in these four sessions, I will keep digging.

[@questioningeverything574]

Thx for uploading

[@LifeCoachGurpreetSingh]

Amazing

[@manjubcom4484]

J krishnamirthy is best teacher in the world

[@adityakharade9868]

Yes Sir

[@mariacristinalunardi4249]

questi dialoghi, queste discussioni andrebbero inserite nei programmi scolastici.

[@thomastepfer9861]

JK demonstrates a true Socratic dialog here. I like it a lot.

[@muhammadyaseen6638]

12:34 > look at the answer. 34:17 > Is silence a state of attention? 35:02 > Healthy mind

[@maiteyailengarciacarallero8811]

Mi piace quando Krishnamurti si gira sulla sedia per parlare o rispondere, mi fa sorridere ☺️.

[@sagarprasad9817]

thank you sir