J. Krishnamurti and Huston Smith - Authority is destructive - Claremont 1968

[@bobsarfatty4673]

It's amazing how many people have never heard of this great man.

[@guud]

@@georgeeskiadis5637 sure, but I would say comment was on general population, censorship on him, not letting his life to be well known among others who didnt say do or even think remotely like K with such truth to be spread. we got everythign else indeed, for you or him or even me, it is easy. shame..

[@rahul30393]

The misery of man!

[@karanagrawal8499]

Real knowingly suppression

[@linettewhite2122]

It appears to have been a secret

[@kathleenc8810]

It may be because most people don't get his teaching and/or don't care enough to keep trying to understand and they are content with easy answers.

[@travelwithabishek2868]

His works are much needed now more than ever amidst the Gurus of these days ! Thanks to the foundation for keeping his works alive.

[@elamaru9355]

which i heard one say more or less that he is too intelectual and even out of the path a bit Which now that i understand him is not true

[@mikibrevi]

" The How should never enter into the mind!" Best teacher of the last 200 years!!

[@kozisix]

Feel like encaging in a conversation of the quote that struck you?

[@linettewhite2122]

Brilliant 👏

[@solomit1]

This conversation is great it shows difficulty of the intellect which is heavily conditioned to grasp understand truth that is why we are in such a mess

[@rasowye1139]

Absolutely 😢

[@goddessvibes2345]

Years ago, My boyfriend suggested for me to watch this. At that time, it made no sense to me and I found myself feeling frustrated. Fast forward years later and it makes sense to me now. Everyone is on their own journey of learning and understanding and when the time comes, it will make perfect sense ❤

[@ellechi7337]

Watching K talks is always fascinating. We can feel his strong passion 💙

[@lynnstarkey8487]

The cognitive block in Professor Smith was completely challenged... yet he was aware enough to see ( what is) in this respect: when he replied to Krishnaji by saying...." this is a hard teaching".....the beauty of this meeting and that it is on film is priceless, and the utter truth about the false is apparent, and that fact left alone..can reveal the truth about the Truth....I am simply grateful.

[@slavomirakrasna2111]

Gosh, obe learns something new every day. So the truth is not enough, now there has to be the truth about the truth itself🙄

[@Tea-tl2pv]

This is just too terrific!!! The Prof is pushing - pushing - without calming down to perceive or understand. What patience JK shows - such humility! Such honesty!

[@lokidlow7847]

True, and how quickly he moves from hurts, amazing..

[@salaiasa-ut5rg]

I second, so amusing and intriguing

[@counterintuitivepanda4555]

Unfortunately he was short on time to really go into these issues. Only an hour. It wasn't completely his fault. He had a certain job to do.

[@peymanazad7144]

this conversation is a miracle for the awakening of man. this is really a masterpiece . K is love. K is sun. we should listen to this for many times to understand totally what it means and then you are free for whole life.. K is a gift of universe.

[@TheCoin100]

in all honesty he would probably get agitated and tell you to f off and stop worshipping him if you said this to him.. i'm not trying to be hurtful, so don't take offense pls, i'm just being honest abt what i think

[@unusualpond]

It’s remarkable how difficult the prof finds it to accept that the desire to solve the problem of fear stands in the way of learning about fear. It’s basic science that the experiment must be undertaken without an expected outcome.

[@eastwood1941]

"The craving for authority derives from fear." How true, and so relevant to these craven, fear-ridden Covid times.

[@melvandusen1924]

Brilliant and beautiful and hilarious and ridiculous. K's teaching has never been more clear. Smith has unintentionally brought out the best in K, but can't see it.

[@slavomirakrasna2111]

Had no idea K was giving his second best on other occasions🤔

[@aarushrathore1276]

@@slavomirakrasna2111 woah!!!

[@ritesharora6032]

@@slavomirakrasna2111 what do u mean ?

[@DihelsonMendonca]

😂😂😂 Some years ago, I watched this interview, and I felt myself so stupid, because I didn't understand a thing. So, I began studying Krishnamurti, and his thousands of videos. And I finally got it. Today I revisited this video, and I understood it perfectly. I feel pity for the interviewer, because he's not understanding K. He tries to approach it intellectually, and it's all so simple. What makes difficult is only the way that Krishnamurti uses the words. He's very precise in using every word. He's brilliant and he's struggling to make the man understand the most basic principles. 🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@friendsnote.1013]

That’s good. 👍 Now you have to even drop his “teachings” and find the truth yourself. If not, we will be also based on his authority. Great blessings my friend. 🙌.

[@anonymous12726]

Every time I watch this video, in particular, I always see something new, I am completely listening with all of my body. Jiddu has a remarkable way of conveying what he means through the most simplest word forms as well as how he uses his body to personify his feelings through what he is saying, so he is not only saying the things, but acting it out physically because he is feeling what he is saying in relation to what he is saying. It's like watching a master paint a beautiful portrait. He is using all of his intelligence in one time. At once. Purely amazing....

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

just BRILLIANT ✨✨✨, where Krishnamurti is coming from and getting at. just the other man remains blocked in his intellect, thus not allowing intelligence to come through. Thank you for posting the conversation. greetings from Kenya 🙏🏽😇🇰🇪

[@oziologyify]

This is beautiful.

[@abhi0227]

Such a beautiful talk. Thank you for sharing.

[@marinorizzi2049]

Merci

[@kathleenc8810]

I don't think K was trying to throw Smith off balance, like Smith thought, I think Smith wasn't understanding him, because what K said made sense to me. It took me awhile to get to a place where I could understand him.

[@amandeepkaursohal548]

Unbelievable and mesmerizing.

[@maracummings9767]

What great talk! Thank you for sharing it with us!

[@scottyben191]

Krishnamurti is amazing. This deserves many more views. His books are excellent btw!

[@Gaurav.P0]

Wonderful conversation 😍 Comments section here are full of judgments towards JK and interviewer. I think, interviewer has given his best. Look at your conditioning before judging some one.

[@lex.cordis]

In what way was this a "conversation"?

[@danielu1763]

So your judgement is that we should stop judging. Thank you.

[@randomawareness5952]

Thank you for not making it short as 30 min ❤️

[@kandukurisrinivasrao3864]

There are thoughts that walk alone- Sri Aurobindo One should find ones own method, a pill is for self dissolution not for self inspection. JK is a catalyst for human freedom.

[@nicksood1]

I loved this conversation. Huston was merely talking from the same point of view most of people I find too in my life. It’s totally normal to not understand but what i learnt is the art of listening. Art of seeing , and the art of learning.

[@Inner-wellbeing]

Few people could understand JKM- he was ahead of his time, a pioneer of the “enlightenment revolution.” He was absolutely wonderful.

[@linettewhite2122]

Disagree, I understood his every word so many could understand if it was presented by himself very elementary

[@errol-ih4jy]

an intellectual, can never understand Krishnamurti, because that intellect is his barrier to the truth, this is the case with Huston Smith.

[@hummingpylon]

a man is his own obstacle

[@tonyxparker]

@@theemiddleone yea he did try and thats the point he didn't give his total attention to the way . His thoughts were in conflict . The barrier was his thought .

[@aman.kataria]

We are all speculating, the truth is we all know nothing.

[@sofiray987]

this guy not human

[@Tea-tl2pv]

Not necessarily intellect being barrier I would also say a lack Of humility and more importantly just plain honesty. Difficult to grapple with Truth - as is - which is what JK dishes out. Not intellectual mind games as he himself said. Either you want to Understand or not ...IMHO

[@kamesh7818]

Thank you for sharing such a wonderful discussion. I ponder - Is intellect a pompous way to obscure essence of being.

[@Tea-tl2pv]

Well said!

[@originalandrewmark]

Seems Dr. Smith demonstated this at HIS astonishment clearly visible.

[@clodhopper-dodo]

I am truly blessed. Find a great significance of life with complete freedom

[@yogi5573]

One of the sayings of JK which ultimately is so true 'Silence stops the time'

[@vimalsingh3566]

I dont know how to put it, but let me try. Seeing just a tiny little bit of what JK is showing us. I can say that he was so radical, its hard to imagine how brilliant a mind his was. Seeing te world through his eyes must be so so lovely. We cannot imagine that. But its for all of us to see, to taste , to smell. Only if we endeavour. I will ...

[@linettewhite2122]

You nailed it 👏

[@webfmags]

kj speaking is truly beautiful, what a vision!

[@mkc0321]

What amazing conversation

[@trewthhip-hop1858]

Huston Smith did exactly what he was meant to do as did J.K. absolutely phenomenal

[@DihkFace_Mcghee]

Smith was trying to trap k into his smiths owns versions. Tricky tricky. K would never get trapped by your deceptions.

[@johnbryant6610]

I think that we have to take in consideration the era when this interview took place when questioning why it's so hard for professor Smith to grasp this concept on authority. J.K. is simply stating that there should not be an intermediary between our conscious selves and our source. Our society was built on the concept of needing an intermediary, albeit solely for the benefit of the intermediarys of course!

[@tracnguyenvan7477]

That's very wonderful ! Thank you very much !

[@inspiregrow2336]

Thank you very much for uploading

[@celinecloutier763]

Brilliant attempt speak of the darkness of human mind....🙏

[@ivorybids698]

Wow, very good. Thank you so much

[@wicomms]

I get why ppl are upset with Smith. Clearly he wants to be told what to do. He doesn't want to free the mind. But his voice reminds me of the calmness of Carl Sagan. The "how" threw him off.. JK is so right that the how must be put aside.

[@rohinir5744]

Thankyou a ton j Krishnamurthy foundation

[@quemaravilha]

What a mind! ❤️

[@aliquran7535]

Smith is not seen what Jiddu is pointing out, it goes back to conversations on solving fear, how one can solve what he fears? One must face it, if you face fear, it is no longer fear. Jiddu is one of a mirror. ❤

[@endingofworldmovies798]

Yes , we have to face the fear without choice or duality need to walk thought it without creating any conflict then it will become nothing.

[@kamalhalder4106]

always love K. thanks for upload.

[@chandrasekharbhagavatula6706]

Thought can never be new…it is a manifestation of the memory

[@bodhiheeren]

If that's the case how come we are not still living in the Stone Age? Technical inventions, artistic inventions etc. etc. are they not a product of new thoughts?

[@vicenciaequ2864]

That's so true!

[@celebritytrader5353]

Booodhi… technical inventions and artistic inventions are creative thoughts, not brand new thoughts which are manifestation of same memory. Thoughts can not exist without memory…Creative thoughts came from the content and different processing of memory.

[@mmamassmemoryart2346]

Ooooooo what an energy !!!!!!!

[@sudarshanbadoni6643]

By listening this most complex taking ,wild part of my Gene's told me that in cognitive evolution path fearful rats were first created be consumed by snakes and owl and then fearless cats who occupied top position being " AWARE ALWAYS ALL THE TIME " and strategic as well giving us a chance onwards be called homosapien. Thanks for uploading this seer in his prime and peak performance.

[@ritesharora6032]

start with his school discussions. they are easy

[@vinp6093]

Simply Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@willyheeren4502]

Krishnamurti is clear in his opinion that thought is not the way. je present that's the way☺

[@rk18j]

This conversation is a very good example intelligence which is conditioned of the past verses the real, the truth

[@nightdruid540]

the loveliest conversation :'))

[@guud]

and now 40y later, war is for real everyday thing that we even don't react on it at all.. consuming war. routine. daily news. thank you on this video :)

[@mohammedirfan8027]

Beautiful

[@WesterlyDreamer]

Oh how wonderful!

[@butterfly.spirit]

facing fear, means; you dont have fear from fear...wow!

[@r3b3lvegan89]

"in science there are no authorities only experts" carl Sagan and Im not even into Sagan much anymore but even he couldn't deny that authority is a construct of the ego

[@originalandrewmark]

Agreed. However his fiction "Contact" is sublime and the movie even more so.

[@maheshn9970]

Amazing ❤

[@maaritlaatikainen7419]

A light in the darkness. 😃 Words, models and systems may help to see the reality from a new perspective. However, they are not the same as reality, only a pale picture of it. So direct contact with reality, with what is, with facts without any authority, not even with him, is important.

[@folclorescent]

Via Negativa: Finding truth thru negations.

[@daliakrinsky4895]

Every word. Truth.

[@tav46254]

What did I just listen to! ❤

[@jiffylimborks]

when the mind that focusing elements encounter the heart that experienced holistic... it was great.

[@aleksabisercic1410]

Amazing.

[@ramborn9]

If the video is muted, you’d probably assume that Huston was the man of great spiritual acclaim and that Krishnamurti was the foreigner seeking understanding in strange lands

[@kuddychand4872]

Very interesting talk by JK... but unfortunately Huston Smith is not willing to empty his own intellectual memory or knowledge or previous recordings in his brain

[@divyeshprajapati7624]

Intellect is abstract and void is wholeness"

[@ritchienegrea5779]

Wow this guy smith. Was the wrong man to do this interview big time. He was quick to respond which explains that he had no idea what the master is talking about...

[@uhhdudeuhhwhatsup]

The discovery of truth is often accidental, never through deliberately seeking it

[@MikeB-in1nd]

Huston had all the knowledge and missed everything K was saying because the knowledge got in the way of seeing

[@edmissonmassingue6140]

4:44 through 5:05, K is ranting about his own followers!!! 😂😂😂

[@Sunil-zv3gv]

47:00 - 50:46 50:47 - 1:01:20 beautiful ✨

[@sherpa-2413]

Professor shows very funny face when he says " How ? ? ....... " that very interesting , and that time he think " again again I am repeating how ? " 　he recognize his own thinking way . There is energy . 教授の楽しげな表情 また「どうしたら　？？　」を言っているなと気づくその表情が、興味深い。 彼は自身の思考に気づいている。そこには活力がある。

[@sandeeptyagi11101]

brilliant

[@MrRoNiGio]

Είσαι θεος

[@quemajor]

A confused mind will always go about wandering around

[@manumaster1990]

very nice

[@flushhh4543]

Great interviewer

[@phnx4life]

I'd say it is...destroying mankind still today.

[@friendsnote.1013]

I agree with Krishnamurti. Religions in a certain way separate humanity despite its good intent. Why must there be Buddhist, Hindu, Christians and others - that’s fragmentation. The “you” and “me.” Scriptures and books only point the way but they also hinder our finding the truth because this is authority humanity depends and believes it can help them… In sincerity I respect all religions but after listening to Jiddu Krishnamurti I am beginning to see where I am going if I continue to live based on authority, no matter how ancient they are. Krisnanmurti’s message - we even have to drop his teachings to find out ourselves…🙏🙏🙏

[@luffyd.monkey7171]

Lots of Krishnamurti fanboys in here dumping on my boy Huston Smith, but I think he pushed back on some important points: namely, the necessity of individuality for true relationship, and getting Krishnamurti to at least admit that we must contend with the past.

[@Ashishization1]

So true..sooo true

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

There is much that could be said of an individual becoming free from their own inner authority as it is more difficult to grasp as an idea than becoming free from outer authority

[@gagannagpal7558]

Why y all criticizing huston ? He wants to learn and is struggling like I am. Krishnamurty might have took several years to realize that.

[@RaushanKumar-sd5qn]

Legend JK, Interviewer getting Interviewed

[@Tea-tl2pv]

How educative and (tragically) entertaining! A Prof at MIT no less! in Philosophy no less!! But what a divide ...

[@ptanji]

Yes. The great divide! How refreshing after all these years!

[@hummingpylon]

the guy is a wordsmith, he's a slave to words

[@robbinpapalucas4620]

Which guy are you referring too?

[@Manuel-zz1nz]

Serious and funny talk.

[@musto121]

JK: What does it mean to learn? HS: Are you asking me? JK: Obviously ....

[@viainsight]

😆

[@sonygeorge8112]

beautiful example of totally different minds. The mind that can't go any far then his own limits, and incapable to understand something knew. The indoctrinated (limited) mind, is always "in a hurry" and carrying the burden of explaining itself

[@francisco7jcs]

It's hilarious to see these conversations. K describing the taste of salt to those who have never tasted it.

[@yeseniareyes09]

41:36 casual slay by J krishnamurti lol. Love him so much. Rest well ❤

[@nousnavi2167]

Serious confusion of thought. Perhaps, the result of inattention to his own thought process. Holding up the ideal of freedom from authority, Holding up the ideal of observation without justification or condemnation (which is fine), but, then, in the same breath denying that we need any ideals (which results in incoherence). "Can you listen to Huston Smith for once without interrupting him and imposing your confused claims?" is the big question for "K".

[@ProfessorBoswell]

I think was JK is saying is that ideals imply authority and methods ("how"), which he is arguing against. JK says we cannot deal with violence through the ideal of antiviolence, because the ideal prevents us from looking at violence wholely and thoroughly; antiviolence implies a how/method, which makes things mechanical or reliant on authority, again preventing us from seeing the thing itself (violence in this case). He says we cannot see the thing if we are already concerned with passing through it. Sorry if my explanation is bad, JK seems coherent to me, just trying to put it into words.

[@nousnavi2167]

@@ProfessorBoswell "the ideal prevents us from looking at violence wholely and thoroughly" How so? Without the ideal of non-violence, you would not even recognize violence as a problem to be eliminated. However, there are different kinds of violence. Some are for self-defense against aggression. They are legitimate. It is a point of elementary rationality that goals require proper means to achieve them. JK has substituted "choiceless awareness" in place of other methods. This is obvious. But "choiceless awareness" (whatever that means - you have to make a choice to be aware of something if you are not already aware of it) is not sufficient to solve a problem. A simple test with any problem will immediately show this truth. You have to Decide that what you are aware of must be overcome (or developed). And, then, you have to adopt proper means to achieve it. The notion that "choiceless awareness" is some kind of a magic wand which will instantaneously dissolve issues of violence, or other problems, is pure fantasy, and a fantasy of lazy minds.

[@limalongkumer9395]

Jk is the most beautiful person in whole universe

[@aek12]

slave of words. Indeed

[@Njoussama]

30:28 To face something implies a mind that does not want to solve the problem of fear.

[@alexisbianco158]

Good point. I think he meant, a conditioned mind does not want to solve the problem of fear. And the fear is there because the mind is conditioned.

[@slavomirakrasna2111]

No. He says it is the conditioned mind only that wants to solve any kind of problem.

[@lmansur1000]

EXCELLENT!! I get it!

[@bodhiheeren]

Very interesting conversation. But somehow funny that Krishnamurti says that authority is destructive and a hindrance to freedom. And then almost every comment here seem to do just that: accepting Krishnammurti himself as an authority.

[@viainsight]

Exactly!

[@aniket.d07]

But J Krishnamurti hasn't said that accept my authority.

[@bhuwan.chaturvedi]

❤

[@mmamassmemoryart2346]

😍 toooooooo much

[@mariechong7280]

Very difficult for the listener to grasp THE ESSENSE which JK is pointing ; yet wants to know 😂 It’s sorrowful that our past and fears rules us 😌