"Are You Into ******?" | Nijisanji Fans Weirded Out By Vtuber's Humor, Vanta Addresses Issue

[@orcus6222]

Okay I feel like Niji accidentally hired one of their antis. Twisty infiltrated and is trying to destroy them from the inside lmao

[@MrDoyle-ky4he]

I'd be all for that kinda show.

[@cosXrobgaming]

that's how whistleblower is described

[@ketsunoAna123]

i mean nijisisters are their biggest antis, look at who attack sayu, doki and mint? its not niji anti, its nijisisters from niji fanbase.

[@bonogiamboni4830]

That'd be funny but i doubt it, she brought up being upset at a clip of her talking about riku being posted on r/kurosanji and has done other stuff that really just makes it seem like she's simply a nijifan.

[@ZeptoZeno]

Please let this be true because it would be so funny

[@Swagpion]

Twisty is just pure chaos. But come on, with a tag like "stepcrow" of course stepbro/incest jokes would be inevitable.

[@bashamd96]

I'd be outraged if nobody took the opportunity tbh

[@EvaFuji]

Niji Baelz Hakos real

[@cosXrobgaming]

if nijisanji fans hates twisty, then we give praises to twisty

[@christopherpage2622]

​@@cosXrobgamingI like her especially with her liking laplus and retweeting a gura related post lol, those targeting her seem to have a problem with loli characters it seems and always attack rather than ignore

[@FilYRU999]

She should go to Phase, not Niji.

[@axelleon67]

Conspiracy theory what if shes a double agent and is trying to destory the branch from the inside out😂😂

[@lizlizbianrosethornsword]

I mean if Twisty does that I actually somehow won't mind LOL

[@No_OneO_N]

I would not be surprised

[@foursoup7922]

Or Riku intentionally hired her to make the EN branch rep dive even more so that he could be justified in folding them to nijiJP lol

[@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052]

extra help. how nice of her

[@4nanaide]

That shouldn't even be in your mind. This kind of joke is core Nijisanji humor, if anything she's more of a Nijisanji member than whoever opposes to be a rebel or adheres to family friendliness. What happened to Riku's statement "our liver's can't get into drama because they aren't idols"? Seems that their own fanbase thinks otherwise, even without being idols their content is heavily policed by Sisters. Instead of what used to happen in Hololive that male fans were upset when HoloGirls collabed with HoloBoys, it seems that for Nijisanji it's the opposite, female fans get really mad and blow things out of proportion when NijiBoys collab with NijiGirls.

[@shiningbind90]

I have no problem with twisty's humor. I might even watch her after this. The only thing I see wrong here is that she doesnt seem to realize that Vanta simply cant click with her style of comedy. She needs someone quick witted who can fire back and play off her really well. Or someone eho can be teased and made to squirm in good fun. Vanta was just plain ole suffering here...

[@kylecruz6346]

I agree, she had me laughing.

[@WizardBear897]

I agree. It was obviously a joke but she tripled down on it and just kept going. It’s about reading the room.

[@jasoncarto]

She would do wonderful with a certain Yabbit and Foxulady

[@admiralandy1983]

If it weren't for the way Niji's reputation being that it is currently I feel she'd gel well with the Phase Connect members, maybe even certain members of vShojo (if they weren't already a sore spot for Riku).

[@kokoala9354]

really? i just watched the recent VOD and both Vanta and Wilson actually voiced out they were excited and were eagerly anticipating the girls would join them again for the chaos, what ure saying doesnt match what the livers themselves said.

[@AzureFides]

Vanta is such a nice dude man. He’s handling both incidents really well, way above Nijisanji’s standard.

[@GummyDinosaursify]

Honestly, i've caught a couple of clips from him and he seems like a really cool dude. I just worry about anyone working for Niji. That company seems to suck the soul out of anyone who enters it.

[@koumori75]

He's fine but Niji En truly doesn't deserve him...I still remember they announced his birthday merch right on the next day of Selen's case...Niji En SHOULD know how controversial the whole issue back then but they are just like "We don't care, money's first, and btw happy bday Vanta."

[@mnopinion]

Twisty going for the graduation speedrun any%

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

Imagine if she DIDN'T Graduate at all. lmao

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Graduation of termination speedrun? as i don't think she could beat Zaion's record honestly

[@DUSKvsDAWN]

more like termination speedrun.

[@rancidiot]

It almost seems like twisty joined to troll niji

[@Kucing-pon2]

​@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktenaBet

[@Raisen_ch]

Nijisanji: and ... Their Lawyers: SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! JUST STFU!!!!! PLEASE!

[@Raisen_ch]

@GawrChumbudLM i agree honestly.

[@Otoshi_Gami]

@GawrChumbudLM if she is there to destroy Niji EN then im all up for it and subscribe to her so that she can Unleash hell on Niji EN. lol

[@CatLeone2003]

If Scarle gets removed, it's actually over. But it'd be funny if Scarle collabed with her and they just said wild stuff on stream.

[@Otoshi_Gami]

@@CatLeone2003 i'll be looking forward to it. LOL

[@CatLeone2003]

@@Otoshi_Gami Same.

[@crown.zenith]

The problem is Twisty kept making the same jokes that the liver was uncomfortable with. He said no not here several times.

[@arkitakama7]

Exactly. The content of the joke, it's whatever. As long as you're not crossing legal or moral boundaries, and you're not hurting anyone, you can make whatever jokes you like. But if the target of your joke asks you to stop, you stop. Consent is important.

[@quintonheimann]

Vanta and Wilson literally said later that they were fine with the joke

[@user-bi8ko7kc6h]

⁠@@quintonheimannof course they would say it was fine. 😅

[@Lipxlipsno_1fan]

​@@quintonheimann because they probably didn't want drama

[@trash2290]

@@Lipxlipsno_1fan consider: if they really didnt want her to continue but felt pressured not to reprimand anyone publicly and kill the vibe they would have messaged her privately to stop

[@Piprup]

A reminder Zaion was slendered, harassed and fired for way less

[@isiahzar7668]

Im still mad over that incident and fast they slam her after she left. Huh? How familiar this is all is🤔

[@ADecentCarry]

1. Zaion was set as an example so she was treated more harshly 2. Zaion was antagonized by niji and that lead to niji fans harassing her 3. Niji EN is so desperate to keep their talents (because it seems that gen is the last one for a while), they can't really fire her, even though it's not the first time she messed up

[@jimmytsunami5275]

Also Mel felt very guilty for leaking her confidential info to Kotoka and that Kotoka reported her to management after Mel’s cat passed away

[@jubiiiiiiiiiii]

I meeeeeeaaaaan talking about incest is a lot less worse than up talking about liking little boys are making fun of prostitutes.....

[@megarotom1590]

Tbf we all know that wasn’t the real reason zaion was fired it was the excuse they gave but it wasn’t the actual reason

[@peppercat1887]

If this would be Zaion, she would have been fired already. These double standards are astonishing.

[@OrbObserver]

Wait so is it a good thing she still has her job or a bad thing? Is policy ever allowed to change after a bad decision or are they bound to old decisions forever to always make them the same way? Everyone kinda wants it to be both things at once.

[@kaeya-san3103]

@@OrbObserver….it’s a bittersweet thing, I guess. I guess it’s a good thing they didn’t fire her for a minor joke like this one, but Seeing this situation and knowing your past oshi got fired and absolutely pitch-forked for less would make her fans upset about it.

[@avioracrown6967]

They don't even graduate anymore 😂

[@peppercat1887]

@@OrbObserver Depends on your personal views. It shows a lack of consistency to enforce their rules. If Zaion had to go, it makes absolute sense that Twisty goes too from a enforcement perspective. But Zaions termination was such BS that Twisty should not be let go for something like this. See it like this: Do I want Twisty to share the same fate? No. Should Niji fire her from a objective standpoint? Also no. Is it BS that Zaion was a branded a war criminal while Twisty is being like this? Absolutely. What I want, what is the right thing to do and what a mess the situation is can all co exist. I dare say the right thing to do would be for Twisty to tone it down a notch cause she is stirring trouble left and right. This is no longer a reactionary matter from viewers when you can tell Vanta and Sonny were clearly uncomfortable. She clearly enjoys poking the hornet nest and that is never a good thing cause this is the behaviour where if you dont put a bar in front of it, some day she will say something she really cant undo or take back. She is in a bad position.

[@KoeskibibooSparklingGem]

​@@OrbObserverIt is both a blessing and curse. Double edged sword if you will. It exposes Nijisanji and she gets VINDICATION. Unfortunately it costs her getting shot by a bullet fired by Nijisanji getting hate.

[@jimmytsunami5275]

Riku Tazumi just permanently abandoned the EN branch, and yet everyone inside NIJISANJI EN is made to fight for himself/herself It’s almost like the midnight brawl from Squid Game

[@NerissaRavencroftJailbird]

So basically they are screwed. They will be used for merch nothing more. Many of the good livers left? Hope they leave for something better.

[@Solidaritas1]

@@NerissaRavencroftJailbird Scarle has refused to leave up until this point...hopefully the company's official policy of abandonment will FINALLY change her mind, but I doubt it...she seems like a really nice girl too, unlike basically everyone else who is left there.

[@reddytoplay9188]

@@Solidaritas1 there are many who are good still trapped and bullied there. Like Vivi who got left out of the nba collab and invited Claude and only found out during the announcement. Remember that she defended Zaion before and with what happened to Mika I kinda fear for them in Nijisanji (Mika almost got an unpayable debt because Nijisanji didn't want to pay their taxes and pushed it on Mika and I recall something about her pay but I forgot what exactly happened).

[@Solidaritas1]

@@reddytoplay9188 They shuttered the ID branch because they were likely in breach of tax law...so instead of fixing it, they did what any greedy f**k would do and left the talents high and dry under 'EN' management.

[@Mint_River11]

​@@reddytoplay9188in Indonesia usually the company pay our taxes which cut our payslip directly every month. So michi who usually pay her own believe that niji already paid it for several months until someone called her for tax fraud. Thankfully the tax people understand her pov since she really never miss paying her tax before and helped by her friends father. Purely misunderstanding

[@Jesujej]

oh no the jokes police nijisanji is truly over

[@purebaldness]

I think it's more of an Internet thing than a NIJI thing.

[@lilkeyla5769]

her real issue is reading the room and keep makin the same joke over and over w/ ppl it doesnt work with-? like im not a fan of the joke but i get it, its a joke, especially with a tag like that

[@zeasygamers1189]

I mean they can just message her to actually stop

[@amayascloud]

Selen gets fired for doing the right thing and what any sane person would do Meanwhile this is happening and Nijianji isnt betting an eye!

[@Wulfrygg]

And Zaion also got flack for making a joke.

[@JACQUEZ23]

Say it louder

[@chrisvighagen]

@@Wulfrygg Zaion should just launch a gamer nut snack brand, and just lean in to it. It would sell out in a heartbeat.

[@bluejays6223]

I'd be madder if no one else made this joke, if niji fans hate her, we should praise her

[@WheatDos]

​@@bluejays6223 That's not how that works. Just because someone we don't like dislikes something, doesn't automatically mean that thing is good.

[@rexcyjones9416]

I wanna cope and think that Twisty joined Niji to bring more chaos for them and incite war within the Niji community. So far she rides all the backlash with a surfboard and even doubles down 😂

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

She making Nijisanji a much worse company and I'm enjoying every single bit of it.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@PlaystationTaxation69999 more like trying to make it better as other than scarle they all seem serious all the time it is just fucking boring

[@JACQUEZ23]

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena L take

[@lizlizbianrosethornsword]

​@@JACQUEZ23L of you. Especially since Niji is burning themselves LOL. Instead of being Cover and Idol who does things RIGHT.

[@JACQUEZ23]

@@lizlizbianrosethornsword and they still can't beat Goku lol

[@spencer6736]

One of the rare instances where I lowkey agree with some niji fans. Twisty's humour is super tame when you look at the bigger picture, but I wish she paid attention to how the others were pretty clearly uncomfortable with the direction things were going. Obviously not a reason for harassment. The situation is a personal growth opportunity for Twisty, but it's not that deep. Edit: I'm a bit confused about Vanta saying he can't verify if chatters were celebrating when Twisty left. Does that mean he doesn't read chat?

[@fierytigergaming8112]

Try telling that to the NDF (Nijisanji Defence Force) and ANAF (Anti-Niji Assault Force), even though they're too lost in their heads to actually listen to people who speak sense

[@Sola9_]

He just said that he didn't watch the vod so he didn't know, probably didn't read chat at those moments

[@GummyDinosaursify]

Wasn't he playing Elden Ring? I haven't personally played that game, but from what i've heard, a lot of timing is necessary to attack/dodge, so he probably was locked in.

[@m.i7211]

I thought the same thing, I understand Vanta not being able to read chat during streaming, but him saying “I have no way of verifying whether this is true” is a bit confusing because you could easily just rewatch the vod and check the comments. Though I guess he wanted to keep this vague as in “I’m not alleging that whatever Twisty said was offensive or not offensive but regardless of the content don’t try to set boundaries in my place”.

[@limbothebiggay1709]

"Stepcrow" is pretty funny but Zaion got nuked for less

[@jesuszamora6949]

"There is no favoritism in Nijisanji."

[@quintonheimann]

No, she didn't? Last I checked rape jokes are worse than incest jokes

[@turatitaoficialmokey5848]

Didn't she say she liked little kids😂

[@quintonheimann]

@turatitaoficialmokey5848 no, she just horribly worded a short king joke

[@Ericson7Official]

No wonder she’s called Twisty because she’s real twisted right here.

[@chaudspieler]

She's toxic and a psycho! No wonder Kurosanji loves Twisty so much.

[@Taz-ey4jl]

@@chaudspielerYou sound like an overgrown child.

[@darcmoon9096]

​@@chaudspieler😅 I think that's why I kind of like her, she's fucking with them and something about it feels targeted and intentional. My theory is she got hired before Selen's term and is trying to get out now.

[@KoeskibibooSparklingGem]

​@@darcmoon9096And at first I get the reaction on why Twisty doesn't and shouldn't get a chance.

[@K311WasHere]

It'd be unsurprising if they don't really care about what they say since theyre a new niji talent and want to see what they can get away with, especially if they don't really want to work for niji after the shit storm of what's happened

[@joeliono4324]

Vanta is always at the scene of the crime man poor guy

[@Tyyin.]

True o7

[@yourdonecompletely]

I detach from the vtubing world for a month and that thumbnail is the first thing i see

[@lizlizbianrosethornsword]

Like Twisty I don't know how to feel. Like I am sorry I don't know if I should laugh or get mad here. Like if Twisty doesn't get terminated any time soon but Zaion did? That will prove a point.

[@KoeskibibooSparklingGem]

I don't know lol I actually respect Twisty now lol. I know some people are hating on her just like Zaion lol I actually applaud her for being so gutsy and love to see what she is as a indie as long she shows she does deserve to be saved.

[@darkshaman98]

She made a dodgy joke and whats his face said if he was uncomfortable he'd talk to people off stream, why are we gunning for every talent to get fired?

[@sutomuarashi]

@@KoeskibibooSparklingGem shes funny tbh

[@lizlizbianrosethornsword]

​​@@darkshaman98I don't think I was gunning her I even said I don't know how to react. Besides getting fired or graduating from Nijisanji is more of a blessing now tbh. How many people left Nijisanji and are more happy now? Besides I said that as it is to prove Vox's point of there is no favortism in Nijisanji. And besides BOTH I wanna say shouldn't be fired over edgy jokes.

[@NuDimon]

I don't think it would actually prove anything, it could just be that internal rules have been relaxed somewhat. They also have their hands tied as terminating her now would look worse than the optics of keeping her are imho.

[@VeryButtery]

Twisty seems like she would fit in well in phase connect conversations compared to whatever is happening here

[@DarkFenix2k5]

Yeah over in Phase Connect this kind of degeneracy is the norm. If anything she'd have to step up her game to keep up with the likes of Pippa.

[@arisenspirit]

Honestly, I'm so sad she isn't in phase and i doubt sakana would bring her in now since he's not really one to go look for drama. If only she had joined phase instead of niji

[@jesuszamora6949]

She could join Kobo in Holo.

[@Antony2618]

IKR!?

[@Natsuxc74]

ooh, its crazy I can imagine such a good chemistry lol

[@juances]

First Hex, now her... idk I'm starting to feel sorry for Vanta, everyone he collabs with ends up weird lol.

[@ghostshrimp5006]

He’s just a little cinnamon roll just trying to enjoy his time with his chat

[@MariLilypads1PaintbrushSTAN]

What happened with Hex?

[@timpointer6664]

@@MariLilypads1PaintbrushSTAN Hex is also really parasocial with his chat and a BFE streamer and *had* some bfe type asmr before youtube made him delete them because his spicy asmr was too spicy.

[@Retz_Yoon]

I think it's from the recent news about hex having a mental breakdown and venting too much on his twt acc when all his asmr got taken down (CMIIW gently pls)​@@MariLilypads1PaintbrushSTAN

[@peppercat1887]

​​@@MariLilypads1PaintbrushSTAN Had a collab with Vanta and joked around how he played with the ashes of his friend's grandfather or flushed his goldfish down the toilet. Then Hex called people too sensitive when he was the one going on how Zaion was incredibly insensitive.

[@AbadonXXX]

First vanta being witnessed to vex and then twisty, I feel like he has some kind of bad attractor for the weird

[@kyuven]

I mean he's in nijisanji so that's par for the course

[@TheAdmiral14]

Vanta has "what have I gotten myself into" energy.

[@Spearra]

​@@TheAdmiral14Bro really feels like someone who doesn't realize Nijisanji was like that and learned REAL QUICK, they absolutely ARE like that. Feel kinda bad for blud 💀

[@baronsamedi5741]

Vanta "Victim" Crow

[@AA-ed6ek]

@@kyuven Just like you being from a certain side of the planet makes you a vile person is par for the course, right?

[@darthchewee]

I think the chat were just projecting their own feelings to Vanta for the last part. But I will say from what I have seen of Twisty, it feels like if Bao debuted as she is now rather than a gradual slide into her degen self. She seems to go full tilt from debut

[@biiyen8458]

This is such a nothing burger but given how awful Nijisanji's reputation is right now I can understand why it's blown up to this degree

[@darkspine1052]

The reason why people are so flamed up about it us that Zion was fired for way less and she is facing no consequences for these jokes.

[@Taz-ey4jl]

@@darkspine1052She was fired for a shota r joke but I don’t think she should’ve been done like that for a joke since in comedy nothing should be off limits as long as you’re actually joking and not just saying you’re joking to shield yourself against criticism or some other stuff.

[@Charmander-wy5tp]

@@Taz-ey4jl I absolutely agree she was now part of a company and shouldn’t make as edgy jokes as she use to but for her to be fired for that and twisty wasn’t even punished in the slightest for this I think it’s very unfair

[@beaglemaster]

@@Taz-ey4jl She wasn't fired for a shota joke and you're a complete idiot if you think she was. She herself explicitly said the shota joke was not one of the things the company was mad about her allegedly saying/doing.

[@reddytoplay9188]

@@Charmander-wy5tp you have to take in the current situation for Nijisanji. If it was before Doki then they would have turned her into the second coming of Zaion but now they are battered.

[@nimueklein]

Twisty felt like that cringey group call of someone (typically young) trying to role play something slanderous, coxing others to joins but the moment they do, it's held against them as a serious accusation. And you're just left confused if they're being serious or not. It just reminded me a lot of high school.

[@Tachibana_Tsukasa]

My biggest problem with that kind of banter is that it is really rough on male Vtubers as the line of what is acceptable is much stricter and traditional improv techniques could easily put someone on the creepy or "misogynistic" side of that line.(or just in general diverting from how they want to present themselves on stream). This sort of flirtatious banter can also put both sides on blast from the more parasocial fans if reciprocated.

[@mariosmatzoros3553]

This is mostly true for hololive, it doesn't apply to indies or other non idol agencies and it certainly wasn't a problem in nijisanji ( Millie was flirting with every male liver at one point and she was saying stuff that was way more sexual).

[@Tachibana_Tsukasa]

@@mariosmatzoros3553 Millie is who i was mainly thinking of actually. You generally don't see variety in the responses, there are generally two responses she gets the flat out rejection or the "H-Huh!?" The only variation I remember is Nina saying Don't sexualize mommy kinda stunlocking her (also nina is a woman so doesn't help the males have very few respnses that are acceptable.)

[@mariosmatzoros3553]

@@Tachibana_Tsukasa Kyo would play into it.

[@megarotom1590]

Feels weird only twisty is getting pointed out when half the group seemed to be making unhinged jokes

[@KureijiOllieZomerade]

Remember a certain cat?? Remember??

[@raykiske]

​@@KureijiOllieZomerade Which cat?

[@KureijiOllieZomerade]

@@raykiske Zaion LanZa aka Sayu

[@megarotom1590]

@@KureijiOllieZomerade yah I remember, interesting the community is treating Twisty similarly. Zaion was kind of a similar brand of unhinged I felt like too. Think they both even have showers in their dislikes unless I'm mixing twisty up w/ someone else thank goodness Vanta seems to be mature and based

[@jesuszamora6949]

Twisty was the female. NijiEN girls are persona non grata to the unicorn mares.

[@Kralex121]

This reminds me of how Nina was ostracized by the greater Nijisanji community because of her humor and being "controversal". Hope for Twisty that this won't happen to her.

[@haru2966]

this. I really hate those fans. They are so sensitive and harsh to female livers. And these same people are babying Hex after he did that granpa ashes thing.

[@Masitu0031]

Is that really the reason Niji fans don't like Nina?

[@blarghinatelazer9394]

@@Masitu0031 Yep

[@Masitu0031]

@@blarghinatelazer9394 and they let some talents who are more 'controversial' get away with nothing.

[@KeebeThePlush]

Man it just never ends does it

[@nkyfong]

Of course it doesn't. Rainbows are circles, even dark ones.

[@rpgstaple]

I thought it was mildly funny, the problem is Niji EN is in such a hot seat atm that any slightly degen/provocative statement is enough to send the livers to the shadow realm. Twisty seems like she'd be better as an indie rather than being corpo with the humor she has.

[@Jyukenmaster95]

We'll never get another nijiCancelled crew, at this rate

[@Feanor1988bis]

Twisty is starting to look like she could do well as an indie or in a more relaxed company like vshojo or phase. As for Vanta, I don't really know him that well so I'm not sure if or how much he was uncomfortable with those jokes, but in the end I'd say he handled things really well. He didn't start drama on stream, reminded his chat not to be assholes and made it clear that he can talk to his collegues himself if there is any need. The only potential issue I see here is if the black company will decide they don't like Twisty, and it would be kinda wild and insane if an unfortunate repeat of past events were to happen again so soon. The really absurd part is that niji has been so self destructive in the last year that we can't really exclude it will happen.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

She would fit in too well with Phase

[@christopherpage2622]

​@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktenadefinitely although if she were to leave it would be such a waste of a great model that really suits her

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@christopherpage2622 she can always get a better one

[@NominDonutz]

Vanta has that anime main character energy of being surrounded by a crazy girl

[@BirthdayFreak67]

Cant wait for her to go Indie. She'd fair better.

[@DarkestAngel69]

You do realize she started indie right?? Niji talents just don't fall outta the sky

[@Zennof854]

​@@DarkestAngel69 i think he mean when twisty graduate so becoming indie again

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

@@DarkestAngel69 She can go the Mint route.

[@LuneIita]

@@DarkestAngel69 wait what's her past name?

[@SorenNido]

Fans of male niji talents try not to be toxic challenge: Impossible

[@VanishEclipse4867]

I mean in context she was talking about the Stepcrow tag. Help me Stepcrow, I'm stuck! Twisty saw the opportunity and hooked it.

[@Swagpion]

Exactly, I mean it's such an obvious joke as well.

[@DrBagel.]

The issue is vanta was clearly not comfortable with the topic immediately and she just does not let up I don't think what she said was bad at all, but if you are making your coworker uncomfortable with a certain topic, just stop bringing it up Stepcrow joke: great Twisty: keeps talking about it, gets uncomfortable Twisty triples down: "Vanta likes inc3st and that's why he wants to be my brother" *everyone in the collab dies inside

[@onemuststand7353]

​@@DrBagel. Too bad the other ones didn't do the same for Selen.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@DrBagel. To be fair he should have seen something like that as a possibility with that tag and it being open coms as you don't know who is gonna pop in and bring the obvious joke ready to be made up

[@christopherpage2622]

​@@DrBagel.I'm sure if it was a problem he'd have privately sent a discord message either during the stream or after it ended and I have respect to him for defending her from bad apples throwing crap her way.

[@jimmy_ink]

No one got beef with finana when she started talking about ulting LMAAAOOOOO

[@battseii]

Because it wasnt making him uncomfortable until that twisty chick started doing that weird shit

[@megarotom1590]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how based and maturely Vanta handled everything

[@KaoKacique]

Kudos to him, honestly, his statement was very mature. Sucks that, in an overwhelming adult community, this sort of maturity is not the norm

[@themightycongueror8383]

​@@KaoKaciqueCompared to a lot of the more toxic members in Niji like Hex, or Vox, Vanta seems to be a lot more chill. I don't watch Niji for obvious reasons, but he just seems like a normal dude.

[@Brandon-yq1tm]

Damn, she should have joined Phase

[@natu101yay]

She would unironically fit in well with Lia or Rie.

[@dndxprm9286]

no no no, she is in the right place right now

[@Holographic_Polina]

I think the main problem is that it's obvious that Vanta and Wilson (and the chat) were uncomfortable with the joke and she continued to joke about it, like read the room omg. But obviously she shouldn't get harrassed or hate for this, me and other people personally don't click with her humor and that's okay, that doesn't mean she deserves hate

[@Rubysage1]

I've only seen a little of Twisty, but she looks fine. She seems like a unique person, not a bad one. Just an off beat humor, but that's a charm! Those clips are funny, and she is absolutely not the only vtuber to tell innuendos or be unhinged. Some people left their sense of humor in the dark holes they crawled out of. This is not drama that has to exist. But Vanta is right, leave it to them to handle it. Chat does not have to police everything. I empathize more for Twisty who's just playing and having a good time, only being herself. And then getting attacked or shunned for it when she's not doing anything actually harmful. That's just viewers, that subset of them, being bullies.

[@purebaldness]

I thought the whole appeal for NIJISANJI EN vs. hololive English was more talent freedom and no adherence to an idol pretence - where edgy jokes are allowed or even encouraged? I mean sure, how we percieve NIJI EN in 2024 is majorly different, but putting that aside (since these Livers aren't hugely related to those dramas), I don't see what the problem is?

[@idkwhatswhat2382]

Answer: Pure Unadulterated Elitism wherein the Talent (livers for those who aren't talented) will be praised if one such talent is long time member vs. the newbies who "Clearly" cannot act civilize in the vtubing world of Niji

[@purebaldness]

@@idkwhatswhat2382 Well, that certainly is _an_ answer. Probably a bit more nuance to it than that alone, I would have thought.

[@idkwhatswhat2382]

@@purebaldness my apologies, I was buzy reading those villainess manhwa s

[@Natsuxc74]

The rising of NIJI EN was the unhinged Luxiem, and the fall of NIJI EN was Zaion jokes silenced.

[@Serenaisverytired]

Poor Vanta first the Hex joke then the Twisty one.Vanta is a whole victim of brutal jokes 😭 (I personally felt out of place with the jokes but if Vanta didn’t mind and there was no harm done then that’s all that matters).

[@EvaFuji]

No matter what you think of the situation Vanta getting caught up in drama despite being one of the most chill people left is sad.

[@gh05ti33]

This right here is a normal ass convo between friends.

[@neetcore7994]

why does this sound so tame why are they freaking out so hard XD

[@froggyringu]

Because another of their vtubers was fired for something similar while this one wasn't.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

@@froggyringu I can understand from the standpoint of people who see it as ANYCOLOR having double standards on Zaion/Sayu, but when it comes to Nijisister being joke police (especially on the same agency where these same people refused to acknowledge Uki being racist), I'd say they are overreacting.

[@chaoticenbybard6699]

​@@GlassesnMouthplates Uki wasn't racist I don't think this community understands what that is they were corny and weird though

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

@@chaoticenbybard6699 Ah, found one.

[@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052]

@@GlassesnMouthplates I am not even a niji fan but Uki aint racist, just prejudiced. yes there is a difference. if u gonna keep throwing big words around then, they will loose meaning.

[@KogaNobuyoshi]

Twisty's humor is not for me at all. It reminds me of Zaion's humor, but that doesn't mean any of them deserve the amount of disrespect they got.

[@pandoraelfe3373]

I agree but i also disagree : the problem here isn't the joked themselves (although i also find them distasteful after the first instance) the problem is; she would NOT get (or willingly ignores) that said jokes made everyone else uncomfortable...

[@KogaNobuyoshi]

@@pandoraelfe3373 Yes. And I believe she'll get in trouble if it continues, but in this case, Vanta's chat behaved just as immaturely.

[@lemonlem106]

Twisty just seems to not think before she speaks...

[@SyBorg-to3ni]

Good

[@Big_Mayo]

Yea it's really funny

[@dodocom6490]

If someone doesn't like Twisty's sense of humour, that's not Twisty's fault.

[@Capt.Steele]

Niji is the perfect place for her

[@roguegen5536]

Average vtuber shenanigans.

[@SoUnA92]

I haven't been able to watch Niji livers since the whole fiasco back in January, but massive respect to Vanta in how he handled the situation. During the bit he did well, even through the parts that could be considered uncomfortable. After the totsu, his statement was well presented, well worded. If those behind the scenes shared the same mannerisms and impulse control of Vanta, I am certain Niji En would've already been on the path to recovery instead of on the brink.

[@Nomimonyo]

Twisty: coom! Climax! What are you doing step bro? Niji: eh, just being playful Zaion: These nuts! :U Niji: BURN THE WITCH! I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD! CUT THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE!

[@bonogiamboni4830]

Tbh these jokes by twisty don't really seem that awful and certainly not to the point of warranting cheering when she leaves. You could copy paste this string of interactions but replacing twisty with millie and nobody would bat an eye since everyone is already used to her style of jokes.

[@Sammy_47]

Or Enna

[@senny-]

Millie's jokes have made me more uncomfortable before lol. (I still love her.) (Unless the accusations against her were proven true, of course.)

[@pedrocamara885]

I honestly would cheer when she leaves. Not funny, just cringe

[@samuelaguilar1537]

Kinda crazy we’ve reached the point where even some weird jokes on stream are blown up into drama. Dunno how i feel about that, but its kinda funny their reputation is so in the gutter we’re putting them into blast for this PS: I feel kinda bad for Twisty, i thought Vivi was the unluckiest nijien member but man, its not even been a month and she’s getting attacked, that *has* to be some sort of record

[@Tibasu]

Twisty should go join a corpo where she can unleash her chaos without backlash from puritans cause I wanna see more of her now.

[@ketsunoAna123]

well she sign for niji despite everything that happened, no one forced her to go there,so yeah.

[@Grumpy1174]

Phase is right down the street lol

[@th3mllkm4n66]

@@Grumpy1174she is actually made for Phase oml. Tbh tho she is actually kinda funny with her banter I see no issue here. Its just unfortunate that she got accepted by the wrong corpo

[@Grumpy1174]

@@th3mllkm4n66 Yeah, she did nothing wrong, but Niji is like *the* company for the weirdly parasocial crowd, especially on the guys' side. This is the same fan base that had a meltdown when a second Vtuber showed up during an ASMR stream for 3 seconds.

[@sweetcake6231]

I already had a feeling that she was going to be the weird type, but I didn't think that she'll be THIS weird. That low-key shocked me 😃!

[@lizlizbianrosethornsword]

Like Twisty I don't know how to feel. Like I am sorry I don't know if I should laugh or get mad here. Like if Twisty doesn't ger terminated any time soon but Zaion did? That will prove a point.

[@Myotoxin]

Yeah she clearly doesn’t read the room or care 😅 He seemed very uncomfortable with the joke and yet she kept pushing it further, and yet Selen gets canned for working harder and refusing to rip off artists and so on? Absolutely insane

[@theonehappiney9557]

I can see how what Twisty said was a bit funny at first, but the way she kept on with the topic felt unnecessary. ESPECAILLY when everyone got quiet and sounded uncomfortable. And the fact that she kept circling back to the topic was reeeaaalllyy not appropriate. I can understand Vanta's point of view of what was going on and how it should be delt, but I also think he should have politely ask her to stop, or worst case, please leave the call.

[@zfourcount2983]

Idk I don’t think that’s anyone’s call to make except for vanta. If vtubers, streamers or even youtubers just tell another person who’s there with them to js screw off cuz their viewers don’t like said person? Then that’d just do more damage than good lol. Imo if it really got to that point it’d bet better to just let it rock and then politely tell them that they don’t want them to come back.

[@mezu-e]

I laughed, but it was weird she did not let off when the person in the call got so distressed.

[@angie.castle]

Jokes are fine, but she sadly didn’t read the room that he was uncomfortable with this.

[@squallphin]

Love her cant wait for her graduation to support her has an indie

[@zimacva3023]

Her model Is such a waste

[@Kosher_Salt374]

It's always Vanta getting put on the spot like this. 😭 I understand the discomfort but the hate was goofy though.

[@seandylon]

4:17 i love the sheer focus in this guys eyes when the wildest convo is happening in the background

[@yurshen.spooky]

imma be so real her joke abt the stepcrow made me laugh

[@SmytheVT]

Twisty seems freaking hilarious.

[@battseii]

She’s obviously making vanta uncomfortable, how is that funny?

[@SmytheVT]

@@battseii He doesn't seem uncomfortable just caught off guard.

[@battseii]

@@SmytheVT wilson was literally so uncomfortable that he wanted to leave and vanta was just telling him if he wanted to go that was fine, did u also just not hear them saying stop?

[@SmytheVT]

@@battseii Yeah I did and they sounded like they were just carrying on as friends do, I've heard similar from friend groups when some one makes an odd joke (or runs with an odd joke) he may not have been uncomfortable but with the joke going in that direction may not have had anything he felt he could have added to the conversation hence saying he might leave (I've been there myself a few times) and honestly not the first time I've heard friends say stop when joking and caring on.

[@AnneisaSparrow]

The second clip where they talk about "other game terms" I am almost certain that the one speaking was Finana not Twisty

[@fedoratheexplorer7816]

I think the main problem I had with Twisty’s jokes was that she keep brining it up and kept pushing it even though no one was finding it funny or joking back. She also doesn’t seem to be able to read a room cus the others (Especially Vanta) seemed very uncomfortable but she just kept going:/

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

Aww c'mon man, that's unironically hilarious. I'm almost tempted to start watching her after these bits she's been under fire for lately if I didn't have such an issue with her employer.

[@NymphaeaDreams]

What I'm gathering on all recent news on Twisty is she has zero chemistry with other livers and is a bad guest. Humor doesn't matter, what matters is whether or not other's are picking up on it and enjoying it but most of what came was shock and an attempt to move on. Or in the case of chat, relief when her one-sided antics were over. That's not good for the flow of a stream or peace of a community.

[@_Aynix]

Damn NijiEN finally has some fun vtuber? I wonder for how long

[@Twofaced.9]

I can clearly say that both Wilson and vanta were extremely uncomfortable with the jokes like the nervous laughter…

[@Capt.Steele]

Lmao Twisty is an absolute fire starter and I'm here for it 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Asahi_Yuki]

Twisty just seems like she is having fun.

[@jinxcured]

she was doing too much though

[@Chris-jx4ij]

Personally what I heard in that clip was Twisty going way outside his comfort zone and and continuing on even after he clearly expressed that he was not ok with it. Honestly it came across as bullying with lewdness. I wasn't uncomfortable with her behavior, but it was uncomfortable alongside his reactions. Especially when she seemed to respond to his uncomfortableness and rejection of her assertions by doubling down and gaslighting.

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

Twisty REALLY likes to twist everyone's brain with schizophrenia.

[@SyBorg-to3ni]

perfect name for her character

[@NominDonutz]

IDK if it's suppost to be her real persona but she really fit that Twisty name quite well

[@Chelin-fhyc6h]

I just find this actually hilarious, I don´t know why people are getting mad about this, just laugh it out, that´s it.

[@Syiepherze]

Ah.. I think I get why Hololive segregates its talents by gender now lol. I feel like ever since Luxiem the banter between NijiEN livers has just been super sexual, it's just bizarre to me

[@amoriixx]

Tbh, I was weirded out by the entire conversation too. Idk, it felt to me like Twisty was trying to be funny but it was just really awkward and weird...

[@banny4821]

It reminds me of 2020-2022 Vtuber humor, where everything was s*xual for no reason.

[@amoriixx]

@@banny4821 I didn't think of that but omg that's so true-

[@annojance]

That was actually hilarious. She's twisted, like her name. And it's hilarious that she's pushing boundaries that have previously gotten someone pushed out of the company. It was delightful. Also, mad respect to Vanta. Very mature response.

[@dreamhollow]

Nijisanji viewers wouldn't be able to handle a VShojo stream or indie VTuber stream. Things get WILD.

[@TheAdmiral14]

I don't think they could handle many of the smaller companies either.

[@jesuszamora6949]

The unicorn mares might have trouble with Holo even...

[@Cursed_Mimikyu_Child_13]

Twisty _REALLY_ took "It's just a prank, bro!" to a whole nother' level. AND I AM ALL FOR IT 100%!!!!

[@TheThedead09]

The internet can't handle jokes or read sarcasm? Color me surprised

[@onemuststand7353]

Pretty sure most of the NS fans that are left are terminally online twitter goblins so it definitely shouldn't be surprising.

[@ketsunoAna123]

ironic because internet can handle jokes EXCEPT niji fanbase.

[@astrawovas]

does it count as just jokes when vanta and wilson were visably uncomfortable with it in stream her jokes were pure cringe

[@xxkildarxx]

@@astrawovas Did none of you weirdos watch this vid? Vanta straight up said if he was uncomfortable by something another liver was saying he would just tell them. You know like a mature human. Sure he appreciates weirdos like you reading into it and making it more dramatic then it was though, never stop being a hero!

[@gokuformanvsfood]

​@@xxkildarxxthese people have such an entitlement to state what their oshi feels

[@nyu1425]

Okay I think people are overreacting too much here BUT I must say, you call that banter? English isn't my main language and I do watch anime so Japanese comedy is funny to me but that's a banter? The atmosphere is just so awkward and worst, it's not funny... It's just weird you know? Of course it's probably just my sense of humor sucks but that's just weird and the talents didn't put effort to make it funny or follow up with comedic retort so everything is simply become awkwardly weird, especially Twisty...

[@KnightKiller1000]

Don’t know why Twisty is getting flaked by hate for wanting a family bond, but Nijisisters are okay with Millie and Fulgar for the same thing? Man this fandom for Crow almost tied with Vox’s for his AMSR Arc. People need to chill and shut their mouths if they don’t like these things or just leave!

[@Kirakishou7]

I feel like both sides (of chat) were in the wrong here. The fans aren't entitled to a response from the streamer if their chat shits on their streamer they're not babysitters they're entertainers. His chat was rude to Twisty, if they didn't like her there "they" can leave, the streamer isn't going to be rude to another coworker on stream for obvious reasons. If Twisty was making him uncomfortable i'm sure he would let her know offstream so it won't happen next time.

[@draconicfeline6177]

Not necessarily - it's hard to draw boundaries, especially with friends... especially for males.

[@clipbitlocker]

reminds me of Sayu but this time Twisty is in Elira's click

[@hoppy8008]

That offends the Nijisisters? 🤣 These people would never survive a Matsuri, Lia, or Rie stream.

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

While ironically, hiring Nijisisters in Nijisanji.

[@danielq2358]

I love Hime (Himemiya Rie) lol

[@coolguybaggins69]

“Kids nowadays would never be able to survive COD lobbies back then!!” This just reads off as smth a boomer would say I’m sorry 😭

[@Gnulcho]

@@coolguybaggins69 But it's true, isn't it? People seem to get offended by less and less on average. Which leads to -censorship- "community guidelines", which in turn causes lingo to appear which usually has a MUCH darker meaning than most existing words.

[@xydem]

@@Gnulcho it's because, at some point (and this happens a lot in academics, which is a decent chance it's where it started) people started trying to pick apart everything to find something to be offended about because if you were the first one to find the "problem" and get offended and point it out to everyone else, it meant you were the better person. it tracks because thinking like that somewhat has a place when studying literature or debating things and a few other situations because a lot of that is often based on hypotheticals. but they started applying that logic to the real world and well...yeah... and, unfortunately, younger kids see the older college kids doing something and imitate it, wash, rinse, and repeat.

[@nanosmokex6998]

Honestly I don't really care that much a joke is a joke but when it's overextended it isn't funny anymore and feels like you're trying way too hard

[@ruikirisame1744]

Venta: oh yeah, step-crow is my NSFW tag Twist: *makes the most obvious incest joke known to man and behaves like a bratty sis* Vanta and Nijisisters: OMG I FEEL SO UNCOMFY! THIS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE! Never mind that the dude was asking for it. FINANA IS RIGHT THERE PLAYING INTO IT! where's the finana criticism? oh wait, that implies that have object permanence in the forst place EDIT: "i have no way to verify this because i did check the vod myself" then check the damn vod!

[@rirtunsasgi2626]

I'm actually beginning to like Twisty, she's either very regarded or a troll.

[@mmi1002]

Same here, she reminds me of other vtubers who seem free to say whatever without worrying about being cancelled e.g pippa, filian, sinder etc

[@kabuto1584]

oh god the flashbacks, Sayu Nation we will never forget 🫡

[@fuufuufox]

0:52 I mean he clearly isn't having fun with the "bit" and is audibly letting her know he isn't on board with this and wants her to stop. Also clearly saying NO multiple times. Just glad Sani wasn't there.

[@crazykay9422]

EXCEPT this is normal banter. I agree they seem uncomfortable, but there's been cases of seeming awkward and saying no only for that same person to make similar jokes later. Saying no isn't evidence enough cuz during high emotions no is a common verbal reaction and doesn't always mean genuine displeasure. Me and my friends have said no a lot when habit similar banter but none of us really mean it.

[@pandoraelfe3373]

At the very begining i was like thats just a dark joke but the rest of the clip.... holy shit you might be tone deaf but this is beyond... beyond tone death or different humor

[@BionicFlower]

I haven't watched much of her streams but I'm guessing *from vantas stream, she's going for a bratty type of persona, but she just comes obnoxiously most of the time.

[@alaskajaeger8716]

That first Twisty clip made me laugh so much. I might have to go find some of her clips because her humor is very similar to mine.

[@stedd_13]

She's kinda funny

[@Tyyin.]

4:01 If a woman is doing that without consent to another woman, she’s also a creep. Lets not forget how monokun would touch other women without consent and got massive complaints. Also happened to some lady friends smh

[@Twinnecrotic]

Holy shit I love Twisty now

[@sutomuarashi]

SAMEEE

[@zimacva3023]

I'm surprised she didn't apply in phase connect bcs of this humor tbh I wouldn't be surprised if she got terminated or hiatus

[@ozarazil5745]

Nijisisters being toxic AF? Shocker. Isn't Nijisanji's demographic supposed to be like the more adult one? XD

[@Lunk42]

Ok if Twisty actually just joined to cause chaos that would be hilarious and I'd be a fan.

[@rig4O4]

The amount of drama for such small things, I can't...

[@UncensoredScion]

Oh ffs it's an edgy joke (and was delivered with perfect timing too) oh Christ how bad does KS have to get before it just stops?

[@snakekingjexxy]

I’m gonna keep it real, I personally think the jokes are weird asf and I would never watch one of her streams if this is what her banter is like. But that’s also my opinion and I'm not cancelling anyone. Vanta said it best, he can take care of himself and he’ll take care of it. I just thought it was mad weird and awkward to listen to 💀