Kia Says The New EV6 Can Charge In Just 18 Minutes - I Test It To See If That’s True!

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@petersachs764
@petersachs764 2 жыл бұрын
So I've been using EA chargers for years. I've reviewed the technical information, discussed the topic on forums and at EV events as well as while waiting at charging locations with other EV owners. I've talked to support numerous times as well as commercial electricians at EA sites doing firmware updates and troubleshooting issues with level 2 support and come to the following conclusion. "Electrify America Sucks". I hope that clears things up.. Thank you. 🙂
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 2 жыл бұрын
Its a VW company, what did you expect? QOS - Quality of service?
@zaidkidwai7831
@zaidkidwai7831 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe has something to do with how Electrify America and Electrify Canada are basically punishments for VW
@dub88acc
@dub88acc 2 жыл бұрын
Your frustration with charger is why I'm still not sold on evs yet. Also more companies are making more evs but none are really talking about charging infrastructure or reducing charge time. Maybe in a few years
@DirectCurrentRides
@DirectCurrentRides 2 жыл бұрын
I'll take being able to fuel up at home 99% of the year if it means having a couple charging errors the few days that I might be on road trips.
@dub88acc
@dub88acc 2 жыл бұрын
@@DirectCurrentRides I agree but not everyone has a house with a charger. With limited real estate charging stations are usually located outside of urban area at least near me. If they can put them in more parking lots then that would be a step forward
@DirectCurrentRides
@DirectCurrentRides 2 жыл бұрын
@@dub88acc I currently don't recommend EVs to anyone that does not have some form of charging at home. Love mine, been doing it for 4.5yr, but yeah...
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
@@DirectCurrentRides same! The public charging fees are ridiculous
@hugos.5059
@hugos.5059 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly…
@wam1388
@wam1388 2 жыл бұрын
Really shows one of the biggest issues with switching to ev's. The reliability of charging is no where on par with gas stations yet. Needs to greatly improve. Ev's are a no brainer for those who don't exceed the need for a single charge per day, and have the ability to charge at home overnight. For everyone else, the charge network isn't there yet. Not fast enough for road trips, and still not available everywhere. It'll get there of course, just not yet. Ev's and the network are almost like the chicken and the egg. Which one spurs the other one more? Still hoping we get to the range and recharge speed of gas sooner than later.
@JohnPMiller
@JohnPMiller 2 жыл бұрын
Did your phone give you an alert that charging failed, or do you have to stare at the charger for a half hour? Also, when you do these videos, it would be helpful to start out with, "I'm at EV America. X chargers don't work. Y chargers are capable of high speed charging. After charging, tell us the cost & KWh."
@petersachs764
@petersachs764 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody sells more Teslas than Electrify America. 🤣
@C-Henry
@C-Henry 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty good charging performance, that's actually coming close to a reasonable break on a road trip, but its another reminder that infrastructure isn't there yet, reliability and location need some work.
@larryspiller15
@larryspiller15 2 жыл бұрын
Except for tesla
@ktpinnacle
@ktpinnacle 2 жыл бұрын
@@larryspiller15 People are still having to wait in lines for Tesla charging.
@larryspiller15
@larryspiller15 2 жыл бұрын
@@ktpinnacle that's extremely rare. No more common then waiting in line at the gas station. Just gets amplified because the weirdos are always trying to find "gotcha's" on Tesla.
@ktpinnacle
@ktpinnacle 2 жыл бұрын
@@larryspiller15 The circumstance I was recalling was a long line of folks headed from Phx to the west coast after a weekend. Not the usual case of folks using their own garages to power up for normal daily use.
@SasquatchMelee
@SasquatchMelee 2 жыл бұрын
Concerning that kinda long time to negotiate with the car, I'd be inclined to say it's the charger. I've got a 350kW near and when I plug it starts in like 15 seconds on my Ioniq 5.
@davva360
@davva360 2 жыл бұрын
Just wish EA was more reliable. These issues happen far too often. I always say if you can go eat lunch while it’s charging it’s no big deal if you are stopped for 30 minutes. But if you return to your car and the session has failed you are still stuck waiting. Come on EA get your act together. I believe it’s them because you see this happen on a lot of charging videos regardless of the make of vehicle.
@ryandoyle4344
@ryandoyle4344 2 жыл бұрын
EA is part of the diesel-gate settlement... EA is required to install, but appears NO concern for Functionality
@justinfowler2857
@justinfowler2857 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is that VW is still pissed that they got caught with the dieselgate scandal and don't really want to maintain the electrify America network.
@ragweedmakesmesneeze
@ragweedmakesmesneeze 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinfowler2857 More like...VWs are infamous for electrical problems in their ICE cars, is it any surprise that they can't run a charging network?
@klossfam
@klossfam 2 жыл бұрын
We have a Ioniq 5 Limited and did a 3k mile trip to FL. In 70-75F weather, we consistently hit 230-244 Kw speeds in the same window you did. Our fastest equivalent charge was a 16-86% SOC in 16 mins 53 sec on an EVgo 350 station. The 18 min claim is doable with a warm battery at the right temps. Like all EVs cold weather is the killer and a 19-80% charge in a snowstorm at 20F took 29 mins. Still zero charging speed complaints. Our return run of 1,300 miles required a total time charging of 1 hr 54 mins.
@manuelias86
@manuelias86 2 жыл бұрын
I saw my first one yesterday in FL. Lots of weird angles, but it makes it look good. However, I still prefer the looks of the Ioniq5
@allentoyokawa9068
@allentoyokawa9068 2 жыл бұрын
both are garbage
@jywn
@jywn 2 жыл бұрын
saw a white one on the street of toronto the other day, I want a ioniq 5 now
@derekwallin2624
@derekwallin2624 2 жыл бұрын
Can you compare this with the charging rate of a Tesla model Y? It would be great to see side by side comparisons since their charging curves are so different
@adladl4276
@adladl4276 2 жыл бұрын
To fast charge an EV6, you need the coldest cell in the battery pack to be at least at 25°C (77°F). At the moment there's no battery conditioning option in the Kia. I hope an update can solve that. In colder weather, you can hit speed as low as 60kW.
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
So in the Midwest when it’s 10 below zero how long will it take lmao.
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013 my bolt which charges usually around 50-55kw will take 2 to more like 3 times as long than this EV6. Super tempting. My guess 45-50min
@vernongomes
@vernongomes 2 жыл бұрын
What the heck? It has this ridiculous architecture but doesn’t have conditioning?
@whattheschmidt
@whattheschmidt 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013 sounds like 1 hour, maybe less if the battery warms up enough, so like 45 min?
@DerekDavis213
@DerekDavis213 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013 At 10 below zero, I can put 400 miles of range into my gasoline car, in 3 minutes.
@OldThomMerton
@OldThomMerton 2 жыл бұрын
Well, anyone who has watched EV videos knows the problems that most EV owners have found with the Electrify America / Electrify Canada systems. Battery conditioning may be at fault as well. However, 23 minutes from 10% to 80% is damned quick . . . not fill up the gas tank quick, but a lot better than 'sitting down to a meal' quick or 'walk through the mall' quick.
@ravitoday
@ravitoday 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much a "loo trip and coffee" break for families.
@AkioWasRight
@AkioWasRight 2 жыл бұрын
@@ravitoday The problem is, assuming normal efficiency losses while driving and the time it takes to get to a charger and start charging, that's a "loo trip and coffee" break every 2 hours or so. If taking a day long drive, that's least 2 additional hours between point A and point B. But that's if the systems are working like they are here, which I would not be expecting from EA.
@garygeorge9648
@garygeorge9648 2 жыл бұрын
Why not 100%? I don't fill up just 80% of my gas tank.
@AkioWasRight
@AkioWasRight 2 жыл бұрын
@@garygeorge9648 100% creates more battery degradation.
@garygeorge9648
@garygeorge9648 2 жыл бұрын
@@AkioWasRight Then it isn't made very good and you have to recharge more often. Not a good scenario for someone who travels far distances.
@USUG0
@USUG0 2 жыл бұрын
hopefully they will implement battery preconditioning in future updates. Indeed, the car should have come with it from the factory
@anthonyboland
@anthonyboland 2 жыл бұрын
If the time that the charger stopped is removed, its very close to what kia said, which is very impressive, even if it took a little longer its still very good. A good vehicle and a good test.👍
@Streeknine
@Streeknine 2 жыл бұрын
I know that it's an unknown variable.. but the charging test should include the charging station connection time since it can take a few minutes.
@Columbus1492
@Columbus1492 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to buy an ev6 myself at some point. Currently have a k5
@MrZola1234
@MrZola1234 2 жыл бұрын
That was pretty solid charging considering the interruption. This charging session exemplifies the other factors that impact charging. For example, the speed decreases to protect the battery from overheating. Some of the chargers can be down when you go to charge, The battery may be cool when you first get to the station slowing the initial charging speeds. The apps for the public charging networks can slow the process a bit and don’t seem to be up to the Tesla ease of use.
@andoversoft
@andoversoft 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the GT version near me. Very interesting and cool looking. Makes me want to get the EV6 Light or Wind edition (whenever they build it)
@adamchoi8136
@adamchoi8136 2 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome. Glad it was just a cold gate thing. Ev6 seems like a cool car and I like that the port is right on the back.
@andrewbrown6578
@andrewbrown6578 10 ай бұрын
Like to see you do a coffee and toilet break with three kids in 20 minutes. Damn just the driver doing that would take over 15 minutes alone. The one thing I think all charging stations miss on is the coffee shot and snacks and toilets. Maybe there just are not enough people using the chargers yet and there would not be much business but damn at least portable toilets and a van selling coffee.
@freddunaway2777
@freddunaway2777 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting that I have the exact same vehicle, even the color. Mine has done an 18 minute charge at a 350kW charger many times. The very first time I charged at a 350kW EA charger, it went from 20 to 80% in the time it took my girlfriend to use the bathroom and grab some snacks.
@PhilthyHorseRacing
@PhilthyHorseRacing 2 жыл бұрын
That charging failure as cropped up before in your videos, I'd guess it's an EA issue rather than vehicle since its happened on several makes and models
@wx4newengland
@wx4newengland 2 жыл бұрын
See for me it’s not the cars I worry about, it the charges- and power grid. Chargers will get more reliable. Power grid? Not so much
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Look at CA and their rolling blackouts and asking people not to run their A/C at home. That was happening before a single EV was on the road. Imagine if even half of drivers had an EV? And they want to ban gasoline cars by 2035? Hmmmm
@jghall00
@jghall00 2 жыл бұрын
I suggesting using carscanner or Torque to get the battery temp, charge rate, and charge state.
@DerekDavis213
@DerekDavis213 2 жыл бұрын
What if there are several other cars at this charging location? Will you still get full power, or will it be degraded because of all the other cars that are charging?
@Jake.Gentry
@Jake.Gentry 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s reasonable for a full EV to charge under 20 minutes since that’s usually what it takes most people to use the RR and grab some food toward their trip. Though, I’m still not sold that EV is the way to go for the future of transportation.
@eloyzamora4461
@eloyzamora4461 2 жыл бұрын
Charged from 10 to 80 percent in 18 min yesterday in Leavenworth, WA
@chriso847
@chriso847 2 жыл бұрын
Any idea how the manufacturing volume is going to be over next 6 months? I live in CA and they have $7K - $10K mark ups over MSRP. Any ideas how long it will be if ever before these come down to MSRP in CA? 3 months? 6 months? 12 months? Never?
@WW-wf8tu
@WW-wf8tu 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad TFL does this stuff. It saves me a LOT of time and $ on figuring out these details for myself. Thanks Tommy. :) I am sold on NOT buying an EV unless I have no other choice. lol
@jamesclapp6940
@jamesclapp6940 2 жыл бұрын
Ok in the first 8 minutes my 20 mpg van would fill 16 gallons of 87 octane, buy 2 drinks, make a hot dog ,use the rest room, clean my windshield and be 1.0 miles up the road with a 320 mile range!
@justinfowler2857
@justinfowler2857 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, but with gas at 4.39 (May 2022) that would cost over $70. I'm not a fool and think EVs will meet the needs of everyone, but I drive to save money. Plus I don't like the smell of gasoline.
@trevorhart5576
@trevorhart5576 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like you always have issues charging electric vehicles at Electrify America charging stations. But still impressive that it charged that fast.
@inodesnet
@inodesnet 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect some of the issue comes down to cable cooling. Takes a while to spin up cooling…. But maybe it fails? Did the cooling sound maintain its peak?
@Kevin6t8
@Kevin6t8 2 жыл бұрын
I saw both, the EV 6 and the Ionic 5 out in the wild in Erie, PA. I definitely prefer the EV6 in both exterior and interior design.
@yzlvr
@yzlvr 2 жыл бұрын
Tommy should also do the same test on a 150 charger.. may be close too the same overall time.
@gogogoducks
@gogogoducks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this test. And only if Electrify America were reliable, this test would have been perfect.
@DerekDavis213
@DerekDavis213 2 жыл бұрын
EA is owned by Volkswagen. No wonder it's unreliable! Just like their cars. If Honda or Toyota made the Electrify America network, it would be far far better.
@abc123fhdi
@abc123fhdi 2 жыл бұрын
The fact you have to drive it hard to get a good charging speed is ridiculous, what if you can't do that because of traffic and also the thing crashing while you're out shopping or getting a cup of coffee, not good. Tesla FTW as it warms the battery for you before you get to the charging spot and the chargers are more reliable.
@symawd
@symawd 2 жыл бұрын
But you use battery to warm up the battery, so even though you get an initial faster rate, you need to put in more kWhs, so it doesn't necessarily save a lot of time if any.
@morsing
@morsing 2 жыл бұрын
I would be worried leaving the car alt all, with the charging errors. It looks like the probability something is going wrong is still too high. I can imagine coming back to the car and it did not charge as expected - and I did not arrive at time because of that. Compare that to 900 km on a full diesel tank and less than 5 minutes to fill another 900 km. Well anyway, the Kia is really nice and drives great. Would not mind driving it at a daily basis for the shorter trips to work.
@zacweggeland9912
@zacweggeland9912 2 жыл бұрын
you get a text on your phone if the charging session is interrupted
@isthisreallife5039
@isthisreallife5039 2 жыл бұрын
So what are there claims for battery longevity with charging the batteries that fast.
@TrainsFerriesFeet
@TrainsFerriesFeet 2 жыл бұрын
The battery warranty is 10 years and 100,000 miles, so they expect it to last longer than that.
@Kmelnuk1
@Kmelnuk1 2 жыл бұрын
The charging reliability isn’t there. Why would you have to restart the charging session? Imagine you’re at a store and come back only to have the car stop charging at 51%.
@MrGarfield4
@MrGarfield4 2 жыл бұрын
The EV6 has me intrigued. $17 for 193 miles is pretty good ($.088 per mile). My 2020 RDX SH-AWD costs me $.20 per mile, my wife’s CX-30 $.145 per mile. Is you EV6 2wd or AWD? (Maybe I missed that in the video). The AWD units have a heat pump in them, the 2wd does not. I don’t know, however, if Kia uses the heat pump to condition the battery.
@tjmakings
@tjmakings 2 жыл бұрын
Faster but damn there's a lot of variables. If a gas station as a whole doesn't work I just drive down the road
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
Also things like living in a very cold climate it’s not charging anywhere close to this fast. Can you sit in the car getting heat with a near dead battery while charging?
@justinfowler2857
@justinfowler2857 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013 You can. The car charges slightly slower. For my experience a charging session is a good time to take a break and maybe even a short nap.
@nickwaller5119
@nickwaller5119 2 жыл бұрын
yeah go in to get a coffee come back out 20 mins later and find that there was a session error on min 2 .............
@rehabmax
@rehabmax 2 жыл бұрын
31 cents per KW. Wow that is expensive. I guess when you are on the road you have to pay what they want. Home electric averages about 12-13 cents per KW
@gondorian1006
@gondorian1006 2 жыл бұрын
You should try a Chargepoint or EVgo charger
@andrewjones3968
@andrewjones3968 2 жыл бұрын
So imagine if it went into that charging error while you were in eating lunch or shopping. You think you’re going to come back to a very full charge only to find it stuck at the halfway point waiting for you to restart it! Uggh!
@tominftlthomasp3559
@tominftlthomasp3559 2 жыл бұрын
Love the car. Interesting tests although most of us would probably charge at home.
@DerekDavis213
@DerekDavis213 2 жыл бұрын
On a road trip, there is no home charging.
@abc123fhdi
@abc123fhdi 2 жыл бұрын
This is like Apple, when you build the car but someone else builds the chargers you have more issues, or maybe it's like apple vs android. Fast charging means you might have to be there the whole time so you don't get penalized for not unplugging and moving your car after the charge.
@eddieyutub
@eddieyutub 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine you think you can charge in 18 minutes and you go into a bathroom or a restaurant to pick up some food come back to see that your car is only 50% charged.
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
You'll most likely get a failure alert. In my Chevy Bolt I would and it's pretty quick to get the info to you. So it most likely wont be as a big of a surprise as you're trying to make it.
@garygeorge9648
@garygeorge9648 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyallen1090 Shouldn't happen in the first place. Now you have to walk back to your car and start all over.
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
@@garygeorge9648 poor poor guy
@garygeorge9648
@garygeorge9648 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyallen1090 I guess if you want to waste your time that is up to you.
@VROneUK
@VROneUK 2 жыл бұрын
@TFLEV So, what is the EV6 maximum charge rate, you said: "We're at 227kW and near its maximum peak charge rate".... so what is its max? 250kW?
@papasquat355
@papasquat355 2 жыл бұрын
The infrastructure is the nightmare on the horizon.
@bernhardleopold6702
@bernhardleopold6702 2 жыл бұрын
Now try imagine how this infrastructure would look like without the Volkswagen Dieselgate.
@dalejones4322
@dalejones4322 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. What and interesting video. Thanks Tommy for showing us how far EV's have come.
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
And how far they still need to come to be a real day to day option.
@dalejones4322
@dalejones4322 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013 The price is the primary thing holding them back from the average buyer, in my opinion. This vehicle seems to hit the sweet spot for charging time. As a daily driver it would be perfect, as far as range. As a vacation vehicle it would seem to be good too. 250 miles stop for 20 minutes,200 miles stop for 20 minutes, 200 miles stop for 20 minutes. It would easily take me anywhere I'd want to go in a day.
@CL-gq3no
@CL-gq3no 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013, Day to day you leave your house with a full charge every morning and don't need to fast charge or use public chargers at all. Fast chargers are for long distance road trips.
@OzBloke
@OzBloke 2 жыл бұрын
Did the Solar panels and Wind farms get overloaded to drop back down to 115 Kwh?
@ngtflyer
@ngtflyer 2 жыл бұрын
Seems a common theme here. Shmee150 had an electric Porsche and experienced much the same frustration trying to charge in the UK and Europe. I have a friend with a new Nissan Leaf having the same issues and here you are with the same issues. Tesla seems to have it together with their chargers but they are proprietary and you have to deal with the build issues. (Here come the hate comments from fanboys!) .. I hope these issues get ironed out as more people adopt electric vehicles. I'd love to see EV range increase. Imagine one that can go, say, 800 miles on a charge? That would be cool.
@eddieyutub
@eddieyutub Жыл бұрын
Can you take the same car and go to different charging station by different company and see the difference?
@brendykes6599
@brendykes6599 2 жыл бұрын
I have lots of issues with EA & my Bolt. Not sure how much is EA & how much is the Bolt. It might even be specific to my car. I can only tell you that I’m more likely to spot Sasquatch on a unicorn riding Nessie than to have a smooth charging experience with EA.
@lakelandprof001
@lakelandprof001 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Tommy. How does the 190 miles for $17 compare to a hybrid vehicle like a Prius?
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
Not hard to figure out. A Prius gets 50mpg. Gas is 3.69 here. So it’s less to drive the Prius.
@einsweil
@einsweil 2 жыл бұрын
At least where we live, charging at home is about 1/3 the cost of using a public DC fast charger like these, so you'd only use these if you can't charge at home or on a longer road trip.
@scotthucks7966
@scotthucks7966 2 жыл бұрын
@@pryme2013 Yeah, but you are driving a small car that is nowhere near as comfortable and there isn't that much difference in price.
@trianchannon7235
@trianchannon7235 2 жыл бұрын
Faster then my 2013 smart electric 😂. I will say I’ve never had one issue with my smart. Not one.
@daves1646
@daves1646 2 жыл бұрын
Tommy, Thank you for a look at how Kia’s doing at meeting their claims on charge rate. Sounds like either EA’s or Kia’s s/w didn’t get a handshake on time or the checksum was wrong and the system shut down rather than risk damage. S/W seems like it’s the poor sister for thorough validation BEFORE getting into the field ….
@rose415
@rose415 2 жыл бұрын
very helpful, thx TFL
@garygeorge9648
@garygeorge9648 2 жыл бұрын
Did you include the initiating time in your 18 minutes? Also, why only 80% and not 100%? That means I just have to stop sooner the next time.
@TechSavvyOppa
@TechSavvyOppa 2 жыл бұрын
Charging to 100 is a waste of time. Charging speed ramps down quickly after 80%. It would probably take another 20 minutes to get from 80 to 100. When you arrive at a fast charger at 15%, to add 20% only takes 5 minutes. So you are better off leaving when charging speed starts to ramp down, then try to wait it out going to 100.
@TylerCNatureTy
@TylerCNatureTy 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like right around 40mpg is where fuel gets cheeper(estimating at $3.50) than this ev charging station. I was pretty shocked to see it cost so much at this location. At this point you can get a hybrid that will go farther without with ev problems in the infrastructure and still be spending less.
@frostedjedi
@frostedjedi 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you charge at home at 12 cents a kilowatt
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
Still need to take into account the cost of the vehicle. A new non hybrid Corolla is 20k and gets 40mpg. What does this car cost? Probably similar size to a Corolla.
@yorkchris10
@yorkchris10 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Wild World of Sports announcer with bobsleigh wipeout.
@dcbel
@dcbel 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for doing this test! 23 minutes is still pretty good! Thank you for sharing! 🔌⚡🚘
@ktpinnacle
@ktpinnacle 2 жыл бұрын
KIA got spanked pretty good for false mileage claims years ago. It's good to see their claims now meeting their engineering.
@royalgreenlantern
@royalgreenlantern 2 жыл бұрын
If anyone could explain why is charging a car battery more difficult than charging anything else like phones laptops. I mean we been charging batteries for a very very long time why is a car battery not a simple plug it in and walk away ?
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of protection built in to the car set up. It’s a very volatile situation and those batteries are not something you want blowing up. As you charge faster it becomes more dangerous.
@ryandoyle4344
@ryandoyle4344 2 жыл бұрын
Money, need to get paid
@ColJonSquall1
@ColJonSquall1 2 жыл бұрын
I think that station is finicky, as Out Of Spec has used it before and it's hit or miss at times. At least it looks like the one they use for their endurance loop.
@einsweil
@einsweil 2 жыл бұрын
They're all finicky... We've been at most of the EA stations in Colorado with our Ioniq 5 and I can think of maybe one session where we just plugged in and it worked at the expected speed for the conditions through the entire session, unfortunately. It's a real problem.
@lagautmd
@lagautmd 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe we should talk about charging speeds in terms of 'miles (gained) per hour'? 180 miles in 23 minutes = 180 miles in 0.38 hrs = 473MPH. Maybe in terms of charge rate to highway speed ratio? 473/70 = 6.8X. "My car charges at 473 MPH" or "My car charges at 6.8X." "That's pretty darned good, I just put down an order for a new Volkswagen that charges at 520MPH*. I'm pretty excited about that." *Note, I have no knowledge of any such car existing. This is just imagining two bro-dudes talking about their EVs over a beer.
@HajGre30
@HajGre30 2 жыл бұрын
How to you find that high grade charger?
@mbukukanyau
@mbukukanyau 2 жыл бұрын
Seems so far the Hummer EV that Andre did in AZ is still the king of charging
@Visualhead_Spacer
@Visualhead_Spacer 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the problems are on Charging station themselves that could ruin the experience.. not the cars... These companies need to step up and improve their infrastructure as EV demands are outpacing them.
@amigatommy7
@amigatommy7 2 жыл бұрын
Seen a test where it hits 240 but chargers are not reliable.
@bonniecarter899
@bonniecarter899 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't any of these charging stations have a roof to keep you dry during the rain etc?
@DerekDavis213
@DerekDavis213 2 жыл бұрын
If battery pre-conditioning is needed for fast charging, why doesn't the car heat up the batteries itself, if the owner chooses?
@genebond
@genebond 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that in the ~20 minutes, you could hit the bathroom, grab a cup of coffee, etc. Is that safe? Is it legal? I know I wouldn't leave my car unattended at a fast charging station...
@CL-gq3no
@CL-gq3no 2 жыл бұрын
Why? Pretty much every person that owns and EV goes and does something else while the car is charging. What is staring at it going to accomplish? Is the electricity going to overflow and poor all over the ground like gasoline?
@danaberman6929
@danaberman6929 2 жыл бұрын
My truck would be filled with fuel in 6 minutes... No Thanks to electric. Good luck charging in the rain. No shelter at the electric charge station. I would have been 10-15 miles down the road by the time you finished..
@Lynyrd_Evnyrd
@Lynyrd_Evnyrd 2 жыл бұрын
I would be 10-15 miles down the road first because I charged fully overnight at home while you had to drive to a smelly gas station, stand out in the cold and get accosted by the homeless only to pay for a very volatile commodity which is frequently made by state sponsors of terrorism (Saudi Arabia) and quite expensive right now.
@JohnPMiller
@JohnPMiller 2 жыл бұрын
If you're towing, you also have to unhitch, charge & re-hitch each time. A friend pulls his race trailer everywhere, so electric wouldn't work for him yet, but he did pay $6.05 per gallon of diesel in AZ, and spent over $300 to fill his 60 gallon tank. He gets 10 MPG towing (pretty good) with his Cummins. It gets complicated when you consider cost, time, convenience, charger reliability, short vs. long trips, etc.
@venom5809
@venom5809 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, to fill my SUV from swipe to receipt is about 3 minutes. I make a point of always timing my transactions now to see if I am inconvenienced yet from spending a whole 3 minutes a week filling my car up, hasn't happened yet. LOL
@danaberman6929
@danaberman6929 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd smelly gas station,,, you have lost your man card... I watched a video of an electric truck towing. 100 miles,, that's it. Good luck standing around for 30-60 minutes waiting for the junk electric to charge.
@pryme2013
@pryme2013 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd You are aware the EV is not possible without fossil fuels right? You voted for slow Joe I’m sure.
@bengleckl1877
@bengleckl1877 2 жыл бұрын
Thought they were to charge at 350kw?
@lolacarlson6464
@lolacarlson6464 2 жыл бұрын
23 minutes from 10% to 80% ... you seemed surprised it slowed down and tapered charging as it got higher in the state of charge. It was not 18 minutes (stated "as fast as" not "in 18 minutes") but the session stopped. Could't be bothered to do it again when the EVSE didn't shut down ? Help educate (assuming you know) that temperature and state of charge impact charging speeds and that your situation was not ideal to say the least. It could be much better, it could be much worse (around freezing outside). It's not a 4 wheel machine or an Ike gauntlet car. You guys go to great lengths to explain those factors ad nauseum.
@jm100368
@jm100368 2 жыл бұрын
Tesla model 3 SR+ LFP 10%-80% has been clocked at 25 minutes. That car has the same EPA range rating
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
This is making it so tempting to trade in my newly installed fresh batteries (105k miles) '18 Bolt for something like this. Best looking EV compact car to date IMO. Do need to see it in-person though.
@ColeSpolaric
@ColeSpolaric 2 жыл бұрын
Just about anything is better looking than the bolt right now 🤣
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
@@ColeSpolaric not really.... Bolt is a really good looking hatchback when set up right IMO....
@ColeSpolaric
@ColeSpolaric 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyallen1090 I did think of one car that I find worse than the bolt that thankfully isn't made anymore. The BMW i3. If you think that's good looking, I have many questions about you 🤣
@coreyallen1090
@coreyallen1090 2 жыл бұрын
@@ColeSpolaric curious... What's your opinion of a decent/good looking EV under 50k?
@ColeSpolaric
@ColeSpolaric 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyallen1090 I like the ev6 and the Ionic. I wouldn't buy them because of the lack of a frunk though. And I like bigger cars lol. ID4 is attractive on the outside, inside is a little too funky for my liking, but I can see the appeal to others.
@davidmilhouscarter8198
@davidmilhouscarter8198 2 жыл бұрын
6:28 It’s an issue with which I do not have to deal because I fuel my vehicles with dead dinosaurs.
@eddieyutub
@eddieyutub 2 жыл бұрын
$.09/mile. Not bad
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 2 жыл бұрын
227 kW until 60% is impressive! Well done Kia! Now you have to lower the consumption of your cars and have at last delivered your first Tesla killa!
@wizardseven
@wizardseven 2 жыл бұрын
In my mind, this makes 18 minutes entirely possible. Given the loss in time plus a minute or two variance in charging speed, optimal conditions, etc. It's fast is all I care. If I'm doing a road trip, it's possible to stop for a snack/coffee/bathroom and get back to a mostly charged car
@robertmorris3892
@robertmorris3892 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy it wasn't raining Tommy. A covering for these charging stations would be a novel idea. I wonder if they have any statistics for people being electrocuted so far?
@LostInIce4
@LostInIce4 2 жыл бұрын
Charged from 8% to 80% in 19 minutes, Ioniq 5 on Ionity charger.
@mbsnyderc
@mbsnyderc 2 жыл бұрын
Can you only charge at electrify America?you can take a gas vehicle to any station why should you not be able to charge at any charger?
@chang-kp9sp
@chang-kp9sp 2 жыл бұрын
You cannot buy this EV6 right away since there are waiting list. Also production cannot keep up demand due to failed quality control and continuous design change. not too mention battery issue.
@PhotoJohn80
@PhotoJohn80 2 жыл бұрын
Really want them to post exactly how they got the 10-80 in 18 minutes charge. I have yet to see anyone get the official numbers so it makes me think the numbers Kia and Hyundai came up with are practically impossible to achieve. Is it fast enough. Absolutely but I think they should have done more realistic numbers like 10-80 in 22 minutes which I have seen people get.
@gxlbiscuit
@gxlbiscuit 2 жыл бұрын
i have had my ev6 for a month. I have taken a 1300 mile road trip and a 1800 mile trip. i have hit the 18 mark many many times. the car is whiny about fast charging below 50-55 degrees or so then it warms up. Also these chargers can be goofy at times. I have had a 350kw EA limit me to 125kw once so who knows what was going on there. Sounds like i need to make a video…
@justinfowler2857
@justinfowler2857 2 жыл бұрын
I assume that it is like the mpg ratings on most cars. Downhill with a breeze at your back and someone pushing. 😆
@brianmartin3263
@brianmartin3263 2 жыл бұрын
The nearest non Tesla public “fast” charger is 50 miles away, expensive and unreliable. No thanks maybe someday Hyundai, Toyota, GM, Ford, etc. ☹️
@HDHQDIRECT
@HDHQDIRECT 2 жыл бұрын
I'll take the ⛽..gas any day...
@genesishep
@genesishep 2 жыл бұрын
Other reviewers have already confirmed the charge times are reliably possible when using decent charge stations. This test of yours should have been done over again since it was obvious that you had a charge station error. It looks like you did your video on a gimbal mounted camera so it's not like you had a crew there to pay so what kind of tester submits half-assed work? The test results are completely invalid. I don't know if you had the vehicle on a short timeline but this was hardly worth the upload to consumers unless it was to prove that our charging infrastructure still has a long way to go versus what's available in Europe.
@AkioWasRight
@AkioWasRight 2 жыл бұрын
18 minutes in....... THEORY
@c.a.nixiii4650
@c.a.nixiii4650 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine having to constantly worry about how fast your gas was pumping? This is not worth it at all in 2022. Extra stress over battery life and how fast it takes to charge to get you where you need to go. If you live in a big city and work close I think it is a great choice as you can just plug in every night at home. Otherwise we have a few years to a decade for capacity and range to increase as cost and charging times go down. Too much stress otherwise IMO.
@TrainsFerriesFeet
@TrainsFerriesFeet 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an actual EV owner. Most of your charging is done at home or work. If you don't have the ability to charge in either place, or you take weekly road trips, I'd agree with you. When charging at home you save a lot of time and money by not having to go to a gas station.
@murphtheirishmanmurphy7268
@murphtheirishmanmurphy7268 2 жыл бұрын
The charging session depends on the station doesn’t it? The car is a part of the scenario but Electrify America holds the key, Yes? 🙏☘️
@Electrix_NoS
@Electrix_NoS 2 жыл бұрын
This could be an ad for Tesla’s supercharging network.
@scotthucks7966
@scotthucks7966 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is true, but not everyone can afford a 60-120 thousand dollar car. You usually get what you pay for.
@pernell4351
@pernell4351 2 жыл бұрын
Nice car if you can get 80 % say 20 minutes that’s good. That would be for us like when we on a road trip like to Colorado that we do we stop at truck stop to get gas and drinks bathroom stop about 20 minutes us. But we then drive for another 458 miles
@scotthucks7966
@scotthucks7966 2 жыл бұрын
True, but most people don't drive 450 miles that often, and while you are at the gas station filling up, my ev is charging at home while sleeping. If you add up the time you waste putting in fuel in an average month, that is way more time that the rare occasions of getting a charge while on a trip.
@onlyweknow2
@onlyweknow2 2 жыл бұрын
I think that $7 Government Mandated Diesel that's going to be forced to $10 by the end of the summer is (B) (S) like all the claims about EV's and their Charging Stations being the best thing since sliced bread.
@davesvoboda2785
@davesvoboda2785 2 жыл бұрын
If the charging infrastructure is so bad, with initiation delays, and other issues, the entire "20 minute charge" thing is purely theoretical. I've always thought Teslas were superior, even if the cars themselves weren't, because of the Supercharger Network. It just seems like all the KZbinrs are having trouble with the CCS network.
@botanicalstig
@botanicalstig 2 жыл бұрын
This thing charges FAST. I could get similar percentage/time on my leaf... But uh, maybe gain 40 miles of range 😂
@trevorjackson8303
@trevorjackson8303 2 жыл бұрын
The time it took just to restart the charging I could have got a full tank of gas still got a while before it's as convenient
@trullmann
@trullmann 2 жыл бұрын
Right, the average fuel pump runs at 10 gallons per minute.
@guniseran
@guniseran 2 жыл бұрын
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