Kia Soul 27 kWh 500 km challenge

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[@nakfan]

ABC = Avoid Boxy Cars 😃

[@SuperEgleh]

always blatantly contrary as bjørns cubes are banana carriers

[@paescu_2k350]

Those old car challenges are always interesting!

[@pierredelhasse3477]

drive 90km/h, the consumtion will be low, less charging stops and no rapidgate. I bought my 30kWh a few years ago in the south of France and brought it back to Belgium (high temperature outside) , I drove almost 900km and only stopped 5 times to charge

[@tomash6299]

Hey! Inlet is under front seats, check battery image taken out of the car 👍

[@ArturFlies]

39 kWh Kona 500km challenge please! Prices are getting quite good for this cars

[@larsenpetter]

I don't think that the 39 kWh version of the Hyundai Kona EV was officially importet to Norway. But there are a few of them around anyway, but very few.

[@viraeternus]

@bjornnyland There are two little black inlets under the front seats (both), it has a little dust cover on top, but you’ll see if you pull the seats back. Also the hvac should be on, since the air being dumped out the back is supposed to be recirculated back into the cabin for heat exchange via the front. Ideally cool air being channeled directly into those inlets may help a bit with cooling, but it may be better to improve the blower in the back maybe by pulling more air out to suck cool air in.

[@raymondthalseth3920]

We had battery replacment on our 2015 (27kwh) soul swapped to the 30KWh at Bertil O. Steen on the 6th year of guarantee. They did not change to a new 27Kwh battery because they it had degredation problems. So worth it :D

[@jaroslav-jaroslavsson]

If yo do such deep testing of adapter. You might consider to take notebook and make logs for manufacturer. They are later find out what was cause of stopping and fix in next version. Of course not during 500km challenge. To prepare logging it takes time, i know. It would ruin your 500km test completely.

[@ianemery2925]

If you keep to 100kmh; you should get better range; I think the issue is the chubby nose, rather than the windscreen, which does have a decent rake to it. I average around 120KM a charge, from 26.1KWh; with ~20km range left when I chicken out and stop for a charge. The bugginess of the adapter is the reason I havent ordered one; there are lots of locations with no CHAd chargers, and I dont want to roll up to a CCS2 only location with 8% left and find the adapter wont work. As others have said, the inlets are under the front seats; if you have anything in the footwell that might be blocking them, that might be the cause of the over heat issue. Probably the best thing you could have done was run the aircon on min temp, and max fan speed, into the footwell.

[@fleecystheking]

I strongly recommend you keep your speed in the Soul within the light green zone in the speedometer when you need to reach your next charger! It’s more efficient in that zone. Slower pace yes, but no towing required.

[@ouch1011]

That would be dangerously slow on a motorway since the "green zone" ends at like 60kmh.

[@fleecystheking]

@@ouch1011 More like 80-85 actually. Well within the tolerable speed on a motorway (at least it is in Canada)

[@andreastiefenau7961]

My classic 27kWh Soul EV also charges at 65kW with EOn chargers :) 107tkm and still 130km+Summer range...

[@Gazer75]

So glad I can't hammer it here in western Norway. Did two trips in my e-Golf of 366km 117Wh/km @ 58km/h avg. and 321km 120Wh/km @ 50km/h avg. in recent days and every time I got 40kW max. The average speed might be lower than real as I had the car on to run AC while charging, and the car counts while idle. Second trip actually has a stretch of over 20km where the average speed is like 40km/h due to narrow winding road with very limited visibility.

[@nikiskype123]

If you have a chance can you test the classic Ionic facelift, with bigger battery. Will be interesting to see if there is a significant difference in total time for 500km. Other cars may be interesting: first gen Kona with the small battery, i3 90ah, e-golf with the bigger battery, e-up with the bigger battery.

[@chunkychuck]

The 38kwh Ioniq was slower than the 28kwh on the 1000km test, though it was colder? Results are in the spreadsheet in the description

[@ashton9699]

Facelift has slightly lower efficiency, and significantly worse charging curve.

[@piscario75]

If you don't hammer facelift Ioniq then you can significantly reduce charging time. Keep it to 150Wh/km and you need to charge less than when Bjorn was going at 200Wh/km during 1000km challenge. For 500km challenge, 39kWh vs 64kWh charging needed by removing 36kWh start charge used on first leg. Should be able to get close to 6 hours if travelling at 100-105kph and 2 stops. Warmer weather would also help.

[@ouch1011]

A Soul almost identical to this was my first EV. It was excellent as a city car and commuter, but this video perfectly sums up why I traded it for a Bolt. Soul has poor range and Chademo charging infrastructure is almost non-existent here in the USA. If you leave the cargo area panels in place, the battery fan will dump the heat out through 1-way vents behind the panels in the cargo area. By removing the cargo panels, it will dump the heat into the interior.

[@viraeternus]

I’ll have to look for it. I would rather the heat pump from the HVAC deal with the heat than have it passively cool. I guess the one way vents just don’t cool things out enough… I had thought it would dump into the interior anyway.

[@ashton9699]

Doors and windows closed while charging, blast the AC. It will allow the cabin air, which the battery is pulling in for cooling, to be as cold as possible. Same with Ioniq 28.

[@bjornnyland]

Best setting at 28:48

[@DamijanH]

And update KIA sw... It start AC automatically with fast charging and high battery temperature.

[@arjenhoogcarspel4193]

Thank you for the nice test. Unfortunately the adapter wasn't playing ball. Would have loved to see it with full 175A charging. You can find an image of the cooling system. It takes the air from under both the front seats and dumps it out the back (through the bottom of the car). I you run hvac into the footwell it should work best.

[@swecreations]

Keeping windows open is worse for consumption than only fans at higher speeds due to the large effect it has on aerodynamics. Don't think it's worth it at 70 km/h.

[@ValdemarasV]

That was intensive 😂 like a thriller 😅

[@matteoponzetto6682]

The Alpitronic factory in Italy caught fire 😢😢

[@gerbre1]

It will not affect the company, as the building was empty and closed for renovation.

[@Marco-ce8kr]

Perfect car for winter...ABC =always bring cold

[@ElGoogKO]

Hello sir, I haver a question/idea/request. Could you make a tutorial on how to do a battery degradation test for anyone?! You are kind enough and testing various vehicles and showing us results, but if we want to buy a used EV, it would be amazing to have a step by step tutorial on how to verify any EV we may want to purchase and see the status of the battery. Sellers will try to make it sound perfect, zero degradation, excellent condition, but we know that isn't true and knowing how and what tools to use would be amazing, in a short and concise video explaining steps that even kids can understand. Thank you

[@bjornnyland]

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[@ElGoogKO]

@@bjornnyland Thank you very much for being such a good source of information in all these years. So, the only way is to drive the car from full to zero, even today? No apps, no other way to identify like in a shorter period of time.? I don't think a seller would agree for a like 300-400 km drive. Because clearly as the time passes, all the new EVs from a few years ago will be sold and thus a huge used EV market will appear, especially with the newer EV models (2020 era).

[@MatthewDeveloper]

​​@@ElGoogKOYes, the only true way to measure how much left you have is to see how much you can get out of it. Some BMS will probably provide a result of their measurements via the obd port, but I doubt the previous owner would allow someone to attach an OBD scanner.

[@jinny7]

Are you using the current firmware for the adaptor?

[@decimal1815]

ABC - Avoid Bloody CHAdeMO

[@bernardhilton3527]

That was interesting. I am glad I have a liquid cooled battery. Question. Would it have been quicker if you stayed with native Chademo? ABC Always be chademoing 🤣🤣🤣. The fan inlet comes from the direction of the centre of the back seat. Ask on of your garage friends to put the car on a ramp and look underneath?

[@bjornnyland]

50 kW session is about 4 minutes slower than 60-65 kW session. So if I waste more than 4 minutes on handshake/instability problems, then the adapter is not worth it. Plus, it seems like too fast charging introduced more heat which the car had problems getting rid off.

[@ekhaat]

Fossils smelly? That can't be. We all know that the engines clean the air.

[@xboxice2005]

its a lot of money for the adapter to not work the way one expect :(

[@moccaloto]

My e-soul '22 charges super slowly. I think it cold gates. Even when I've gone deep, and the outside temp is 18 degrees, it starts at 35 kW, and very slowly ramps up. If I'm lucky, I can reach 77 kW for a few minutes before it throttles down to 55 when the battery reaches around 50%. I have trouble getting the battery warmer than ambient temp. Anyone else have this problem?

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@rolfkaiser1469]

somehow wired , the replaced batterie is somehow not ok ??? !!!

[@mateuszbalon3762]

Please test 500km with env200 40kwh 😊

[@mastarce]

40kw Leaf please :) ❤

[@Dr4chentoeter]

1000 km challenge with CHAdeMO adapter and 40 kWh LEAF would be great

[@hadtopicausername]

That adapter would frustrate me to no end.

[@user-fdj83wnk6r]

Air inlet duct is located under the front seat. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXupZIiMqZ2Nf9Efeature=shared Please check the teardown video. If you change battery recently and get the recall post that would be 30kwh. Because 27kwh battery is discontinued and only produce 30kwh.

[@arekfpv3631]

Could you test the next Hyundai Kona facelift late 2021? It will be interesting to see if the redesigned shape of the first Kona model changed efficiency and the range or if the battery is any better.

[@bjornnyland]

This? www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland/search?query=kona%20my2024

[@arekfpv3631]

@@bjornnyland Not this one. I mean that one which comes before My2024 model. It had a redesigned front and the front and the rear lights and a new 10 inch speedometer screen.

[@zerox420]

64kw Kona please :)

[@bjornnyland]

*kWh

[@rolfkaiser1469]

A Dacia Spring 65 Extreme , for real 10.500 € ... doesnt has this problems at all ... and aproximativ the same battery size ... ok its a bit smaler ... but when i see all these problems ... a much better car

[@rolfkaiser1469]

For me there is no logic to cool down the cabin ... makes no sence

[@rolfkaiser1469]

Korean Quality ;) ...

[@michaelnilsson8400]

What a peace of shit battery. Maybe one of the reasons to why it is not cooling that good is probably due to the ”in series cooling”. If it would have been in parallell it would probably work much better. So lending Björns expression: i3 33kWh or i3 42kWh for the win!

[@tommyovesen]

Pretty useless adapter

[@bjrntoreborge4281]

Pretty useless car.

[@michaelnilsson8400]

Or good but boring car. Shitty battery 😂. I have tested these batteries (outside the car) several times. Sometimes with strange results. Battery swelling up when charging etc. Never seen that on other batteries…

[@aspietom3730]

Björn ist cheating 😮

[@bjornnyland]

ABC

[@aspietom3730]

I like your cheating and your Humor. 😊🎉😊

[@miciusbmw]

🇱🇹🇱🇹🇱🇹🤝🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@paescu_2k350]

First

[@michalwrona8676]

I took all the: deduct, plug, cable and failed words and the time was exactly the same as filling my diesel with fuel for another 1000 km :P

[@davidz1264]

Shocking. Another 1000km polluting our environment 😞

[@michalwrona8676]

@@davidz1264 yeah like 13% of World polution is from Europe. And how much is from driving a car...hm...?!

[@davidz1264]

@@michalwrona8676 Weak excuse. Your polluting all people around you. Are you robbing your neighbour too? I mean, there are even worst things that happen on this planet. A little robbery make no difference. Despite the fact, that fossile fuels are depleated in a couple of decades. Let me guess: Not your problem, because we are dead by then. It‘s time to take responsibility for our actions and stop pointing on others, that act worse.

[@sergeikulichkov7748]

This car is schrott

[@Silver-Lining1111]

Explain.

[@sergeikulichkov7748]

@@Silver-Lining1111 did you watch the video? Then it will be clear

[@noleti]

It's not good for long trips, completely fine for short trips. I have a 27kwh soul and stopped doing longer trips than 250km due to the heat issue. On the other hand, it's very nice for city driving and you can get them for quite cheap.

[@tridrean]

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