Kia Soul 27 kWh with 108k km degradation test

[@Peter-st1lt]

Hey Bjorn! Wow the suspense in this video was top notch! This brings back memories of my first gen chevy spark EV running out 200 meters away from the charger and then not even sure if the charger would be working! Wow I love this! You're the BEST! Suffering for our entertainment! I'm a follower for life!

[@RickardEB]

Thank you Björn for testing all these old EVs! I really enjoy watching this!

[@mrrkrr]

Perfect! No need for the zero mile test now! ✓Linear power drop ✓Linear power gain X Final Warning: NO X Buffer below 0%: 0km Notes: 3kW Nio crawl at the end

[@bjornnyland]

This video is a kinder egg: 1. Degradation test 2. Range test 3. Zero mile test All in one video 🤣

[@markushetzmannseder7748]

Great to see how the Soul behaves at 0% SOC. So 0% really means 0%, no buffer or anything like that. In the 40,000 km I've driven with my Soul, I've only got down to 3% SOC.

[@larsenpetter]

I am now driving Kia Soul EV for the ninth year, and the lowest I have seen is 3% also. Scary enough.

[@daveamies5031]

Yeah just like an old petrol car when it's empty (maybe I'm showing my age remembering when cars had no buffer)

[@samusaran7317]

@@daveamies5031 Gas cars normally have 1-3 gallons after hitting "E".

[@Ruzzky_Bly4t]

@@samusaran7317 Hence why they specified "old petrol car"

[@benjamilindqvist912]

The red battery symbol indicates that the 12-volt battery is not charging. This is normal behavior when the drive battery is too low. The car disables 12-volt charging to preserve the drive battery's charge level.

[@downix]

That is one possible meaning. Another is that one of the cooling pumps on the 12V circuit is throwing an error due to a bad ground. That happened to me.

[@sp1es]

I think you should see if elbimek could replace that one bad cell on the first soul (and cost) , I think you'd get close to your 20kwh target then as all the other cells seemed fairly well balanced, would make for good content too

[@ianemery2925]

The cell imbalance might be simply a case of the car not being slow charged for a long time; so unable to run it's balancing mode; my 2016 Souls battery has a variance of 0.01v between the highest and lowest cell voltages. When I first bought my Soul, it has been sitting around in a garage workshop for nearly a year, and the cells were all over the place; after letting it balance at home, SOH went from 94.2% to 96.8% over the first couple of weeks. EV Watchdog reports I have 26.1 KWh of battery life at 100% charge; although the car HAS only done ~38,000miles/62,000KM

[@wocket42]

Yeah, maybe Bjorn should do a couple of full recharging cycles to judge the battery health.

[@ianemery2925]

@@wocket42 I think these were test drives of cars he wanted to buy himself, I doubt the sellers would be up for him keeping them for a couple of days.

[@pawekropi5077]

When my eNiro died on me I turned everything off and waited like a minute or two, then it started moving again, and it was uphill. Went ca. 300 m and died again, so I repeated the procedure and crawled to a fast charger almost 2 km! Don't recommend repeating it, did it only once just to see if it works, but can be useful when you do not have an Ecoflow and run out of juice just before reachung a charger.

[@mdfyui8000]

Ahh, brings back memories of my test drive experience with an e-kona some years ago. Received the car with sub 30%, thought it would be plenty for a short test but accidentally entered a motorway section which added many more km's than expected. Those last few percent disappear quick! These old EV's seem to have no below gauge reserve either.

[@larsenpetter]

No, in these old korean cars, there is no extra hidden power storage. The newer cars have it though.

[@samusaran7317]

​@@larsenpetterThey shouldn't though.

[@mravecsk1]

Why exactly they shouldnt? So you want to get basicaly straight to battery brick protection? There is very good reason for all new cars to have top and bottom buffer. @@samusaran7317

[@qbasic16]

I was once at 0% with my Polestar 2 in a winter morning (put it outside over night with only 9%), it still showed 5km of drivable range, so it was enought to find a charger

[@downix]

I have a 2016 Kia Soul EV myself, and absolutely love it

[@hamsterminator]

Weirdly its watching these degraded EV tests that made me consider buying a used EV. The way they just need to be handled with some TLC and can be recharged at the side of the road seems pretty cool to me.

[@redjohn20001]

Interesting how much degradation they have. My son ran a 30 kWh version on lease for 5 years, he seldom charged it to 100%, occasionally for the big trip. It would still do 100 miles when it went back at the end of the lease. These cars only stop charging when at 100% so I suspect many of the cars have sat on the driveway at 100% charge most of their lives.

[@larsenpetter]

Well, the 30 kWh version is much better.

[@tonrotterdam]

Ohh, the suspension was killing me!

[@SasquatchMelee]

Suspension? Did you mean "suspense"?

[@bernardhilton3527]

Nice joke. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MrVeeBlog]

The adventures of... "Bjorn VS. ChadeMO Mountain". LOL Good job Bjorn. All the best to you and yours. Happy New Year

[@jonas2674]

Btw, number 4 has traditionally been an unlucky number in Japan and some parts of China. That's why eg Nokia phones didn't use that number.

[@Jaw0lf]

You are the master of pushing an EV to dying! Keep it up, it is always great to know how different EV's behave and if any range is left.

[@EpicReality]

I have had the same thing happen on that type of chademo- charger, with imiev. It seems to not like the old cars too much

[@frozenfritz]

Why is the battery of the KIa soul so much worse than the Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh from 2016? The technology should be similar right? Even the board computer looks the same...

[@swecreations]

Yeah right? That car easily gets to half a million kilometers or more on original battery.

[@ashton9699]

Ioniq is LG battery, Soul is SK Innovation battery. They're not the same.

[@tobimai4843]

Worse Chemistry, worse BMS, maybe worse cooling.

[@iamalittlepepper]

@@ashton9699 They were actually sworn enemy and had been suing each other that the US government had to step in and tell them to cut it out.

[@larsenpetter]

But the Kia Soul EV 30 kWh has much improved, and doesn't degrade any faster than the Ioniq 28 kWh. Actually I think it degraded slower than the Ioniq 28.

[@Kytes93]

Was dying laughing here 😂, you love getting yourself in trouble don't you?

[@iamalittlepepper]

I am sure Bjorn will be featured on The Sun soon.. and also tons of clicks!

[@joshfrench5773]

Red battery light on an EV indicates the 12v battery is being discharged and is not being charged by the HV battery.

[@manuelalmeida9847]

Hello I’m seeing your video from Portugal, and I have a Kia soul EV 30kwh, and I have the same problem on new Chademo Chargers. On all Chademo Chargers above the 50kw have problems to charge, the car doesn’t accept start the charge and return the message system EV fail. Thanks for all your very goods video and sorry my english is not very good. 😅

[@nakfan]

Your English is fine 👍 BTW a youtuber - EV Dale I think - is involved in an exciting Chademo to CCS open source project. All the best, Per (Denmark)

[@jaroslav-jaroslavsson]

If you replace cell that has 3V while others has 3.4 it is probably less 5-10%. I have disassembled LEAF battery that ended in voltage difference 3.0 vs 3.3V and after measuring capacity of each of 96 cells (2 times!) I found that replacing the worst 2 cells I can get 5-6% capacity that was about 7km range more. And it expect that none of other cells will drop voltage faster then others which is expectable. I replaced whole battery from from accident damaged car. There is not so much energy between 3 and 3.4V. If you have one cell 3V and other 3.6 or 3.7 then it could make sense to try to fix the battery. Not in your case. But Voldemort might to try it :)

[@petyapyatochkin9630]

Straight on point. The discharge curve is very steep after 3.5-3.4V. Between 3.3 and 3.1V almost no energy left, so not worth to bother.

[@daveamies5031]

I'd probably try going back to the black one with the red roof, low ball the price cause the battery is so bad and then try replace the 2 worst cells, would have to be a really good price to make it worth the risk, but in your case it'll give you content on fixing a degraded battery.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Nokian good. Nokian Tyres manufactures passenger car tires in its factories in Nokia, Finland and in Dayton, US.

[@benbeverley561]

Hey Bjørn, you mentioned about the smell in Frankenstein. Ozone Treatment can deal with that quite well. But get a professional to do it with their equipment.

[@Gazer75]

The second hand value of older EVs is going to be interesting to watch as time goes by. I fear they are going to drop in value quite rapidly as the battery degrades.

[@iamalittlepepper]

Leafs batteries are starting to be recycled in the States en mass. Also people use the batteries to power their homes even 15kwh can be quite useful to power a house. I started outfit my place with some server rack batteries and new LFP are about 2-3k USD for 5kWh (5kWh fully powers my house for a few days), so harvesting a Soul for 9kUSD or Bjorn's price 70k Nok just for the batteries is cheaper (but more pain in fitting) and you gain by selling the rest of the car for parts to collision / insurance industry. The recycling industry needs input to gear up and the older cars are their solution to the chicken and egg problem, not to mention the politics of rare earth metal and cobalt, which older batteries contain more than newer chemistry. The drop in value and consumer skepticism for the older EVs is a boon for the recycling industry.

[@Christiaan676]

Yeah, will be interesting to see buyers don't like the unknown and risks you have when buying second hand EV.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

@@Christiaan676 Isn't that unknown present with almost any older used car? I'd argue that there are many more risks with ICE cars and they come and have to be paid for much earlier. It adds up too.

[@Christiaan676]

@@Tschacki_Quacki The point is that with ICE cars second hand buyers know what to expect. On average the cost for an EV may be lower, but if your unlucky and things go wrong with for example the battery than the car may be totaled.

[@mariano3113]

Soul EV and Hyundai EVs in the US have a subsequent owner 10 year 100000 mile warranty on EV Drivetrain (including the battery) So they do a little better than the Nissan Leafs for used ownership. However more and more CHAdeMO stations are being decommissioned and Even newer Tesla MagicDocks don't include CHAdeMO. So post-2025 I suspect CHAdeMO vehicles will be nothing more than their original use case (city runabouts aka Street Legal Golf Carts) Very useful as a low maintenance short range vehicle.

[@hamfish225]

seeing this and the last soul, mine seems to have a very good battery in comparison, you should be able to find one, see if you can find a true 2016 soul

[@altoclef6688]

Video in English, except the swearing which is in Norwegian.. gave me a good chuckle!

[@nobody-xt3zg]

Can you test degredation on Model 3 55 LFP ?? There is argue what is real battery life in SR+ vs LR. It would be good to find high km model 3 with 55 LFP

[@PJWey]

18.7kWh plus Ecoflow gives you your capacity 😅

[@ouch1011]

My first EV was a 2017 Soul. Good car, extremely comfortable and quiet inside, just very limited range for USA roads. I could barely make the round trip to/from my parents house during the summer and couldn’t make it without charging in the winter, even though it was only a 65 mile trip that I made once a week. Replaced it with a 2019 Chevy Bolt, which was an objectively worse car but a better EV.

[@pierredelhasse3477]

red light on the dashboard : 12v battery having a problem, the "key not detected" is the same story.., your 400v battery was empty so it stopped charging the 12v battery and with some electric consumers working the very small 12v was getting almost empty and you were lucky the 12v did not die because then impossible to start the car again (it happened to me)

[@iamalittlepepper]

Yes unfortunately 12V are still considered consumables like in an ICE car. They last longer than on ICE because there is no starter to crank, only the close the high voltage battery connectors. Later cars like Model 3s a few years ago had started to replace those with LPF, but the problem is those are not standardized so that creates secondary issues of economy of scale.

[@56spider]

once again at 2:45 "What is GOM" range? what does G.O.M. stand for???!!

[@larsenpetter]

GOM=Guessometer, showing predicted range

[@Kevin-GOT]

A woman I had to help push out of the ditch in the snow before Christmas had wintertires from 2009. I was quite shocked.

[@19Daantje98]

Looking to buy a second hand Kia Soul EV. It's a 2015, 109.000km on it, seller says the car doesn't fully charge anymore. Only gets up to 40km of range. I'm a car mechanic myself so I'd like to buy this car and fix it for myself. What could be the possible causes in the case of this Kia EV? And what would a replacement drive battery cost?

[@ataksnajpera]

Weird that they set cut-off point at 3.1V.

[@sgsuper1150]

Ecoflow need slightly bigger inverter for ev use. No compact units have 3kw output currently. 2.4 kw is max but my car takes 2.5kw

[@wocket42]

With the Ioniq and the original ICCB you can basically select anything from 600W to 2500W through ICCB and internal car settings. Not sure if that's available on Kias etc, too.

[@benjaminhanke79]

Ecoflow already has very powerful inverters. If you want more get a bigger power station. But you don't want to carry >25kg around. I bought the ecoflow delta mini to trickle charge my e-up! after my first zero km test went wrong. I have to use the "maps&more" and limit the car to 1kW, then it works fine.

[@meryuk]

Really fun, to watch at least 😅

[@MrKOenigma]

That's true

[@stevencito1000]

Well actually my M3 stopped blank @ 1% some days ago

[@decimal1815]

20 kWh would be nice.. I've got about 18 kWh capacity in my 2014 Leaf and it's slightly squeaky-bum time when doing a 50 mile commute in winter. Also don't like charging to 100% every day..

[@folkoyt]

Hello Bjørn, are you having weather problems in the Oslo area? The snowstorm is just starting in the Hamburg area...

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@Hommli]

Does the seller not do some kind of battery check before selling the car? Is it always on the buyer to investigate how the state of the battery is? I'm curious to know what to do when buying a second hand EV :)

[@tobimai4843]

Well does the seller do a check on a used ICE? No. obviously.

[@altoclef6688]

Depends. There is one Swedish used car dealer, Carla, specialized in electric cars using Aviloo tests.

[@Hommli]

Well the battery is such a big value of the car and if you as a consumer don’t know how the battery works and to check the health of the battery then you will be much re reluctant to buying an EV. I’m thinking it’s in the sellers interest to prove that the battery is in good health in order to sell it.

[@jcemblem]

I got tired of the oldest ev’s with the smaller batteries, so when I replaced my number 2 car, I went for a 2020 Seat Mii. They are starting to get really cheap. Ok range all year around with 37kWh battery. Slow DC-charging though…

[@vincentclarke738]

Which settings are you using on Car Scanner please?

[@roybm3124]

The Sun popping champagne bottles 😂

[@christianh.5510]

More than 100.000km and the first set of tyres are still available? How?

[@bigbing77]

This was my nightmare with Ioniq :D The chemistry of the battery is different, I had 2,89V on the lowest voltage cell and still 5% left :D Anyway, anyone know if 64 kWh Kona 2020 has got any 0% buffer?

[@larsenpetter]

No buffer on Kona

[@FosterYoga]

Love your videos! What size eco flow do you use?

[@bjornnyland]

2 kWh

[@DavidDji_1989]

The sun is entering the room

[@marclang7431]

Bjorn, is one of the real champions for ICE cars.😂

[@tonibrucker9187]

Björn talked me into buying an Ioniq electric with his videos. But after 3 years I switched back to ICE. The only downside of an ICE car is the heating. Maybe that’s why it’s called ICE.😂

[@marclang7431]

@@tonibrucker9187 why is heating a problem with your ice car? They are far better than EVs.

[@larsenpetter]

Don't yours have a heat pump?

[@Ustrof]

​@tonibrucker9187 Fossil cars are having much more downsides compared to a proper EV like Tesla, but yes if you take an Ioniq as comparison or something similar it doesn't look good at all. Short range, slow charging speeds and little power are the disadvantages you don't have with a good EV, but it's also much more expensive of course.

[@marclang7431]

@@Ustrof can you elaborate on why a Tesla is better than an ICE vehicle? My Audi has a 1600km range and doesn't need a replacement part costing 30k after 10 years.

[@KingCat12]

Hello bjørn! :)

[@davidstud3952]

just checked my Battery from an 2yo Etron-GT 20tkm. It says SoH 88,4% and it has 78kWh at 100% which would be a degradation to new netto 83,7kWh of 6,8%. Why is the SoH so much worse?

[@iamalittlepepper]

Heat is the enemy of batteries. Frequent / often DC charging, charging at the extremes eg under 20% and to 100% generates extra heat and probably contribute a lot to the degradation, especially since Etron emphasizes on performance and doesn't use cheap but more stout LFP battery. It would be hard to pin down unless we know how the car is used. The relationship between speed and power consumption is exponential. The more power you consume (eg poor aerodynamics), the more charge cycles you need, the higher the degradation, since there is a finite number of charges until a cell fails. I believe the high end manufacturers (non Tesla) assume buyers of their high performance EVs don't care about degradation only about performance. Once the batteries die, they can afford a new EV. Same situation with say Mercedes S class or Range Rover's air suspensions, they are state of the art and exquisite, but 1st owners rarely need to service them, only future second / third / forth owners, by that time they are nearly the cost of the car.

[@davidstud3952]

@@iamalittlepepper thanks, but my question was more why these two numbers differ that much: Degradation calculated through battery content was 6.8%, degradation calculated by SoH value was 11.6%

[@thindo]

Oh Shite... Shite come on come on... If I was just listening and not watching I could have been forgiven for thinking something else was going on😂😂😂

[@rpujol]

Epic video entrance. 🤣🤣🤣

[@adrianpossarnig281]

Where can i get the thermal camera adapter for the smartphone?

[@iamalittlepepper]

FLIR specifically I think it is the FLIR One.

[@notsoprotip5806]

Battery temp was 24 at Kempower and 25 after moving. That is the reason for charging speed difference.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope

[@notsoprotip5806]

Check your vid… Min temp was 24 and that is not enough

[@bernardhilton3527]

I think I would be looking for a CCS car with at least a 50kW. 45 useable battery. What about a 3 or 4 year old Stellantis car?

[@iamalittlepepper]

Stellantis seems to be at the back of the pack in electrification. A lot of it has to do with your use case. If you live in a house with charging and the car consumes say 200wh / km in real life on your favourite routes at the worst conditions. A 50kW battery will last you at least 250km per charge. I think the real life efficiency in your context of the car matters a lot for EV. Even fast charging vs home charging will affect battery degradation with the former degrading faster. So It is best to figure out your life situation, get some hard data and do some modelling.

[@larsenpetter]

Bjørn Nyland is looking for a car costing up to 70000 NOK, about 6500 €.

[@MrAdopado]

kWh

[@John-Andersen]

13:00 At least you can get a Whopper from Burger King while waiting for the Norwegian equivalent of AAA❤

[@bjornnyland]

I *am* the AAA 🤣

[@John-Andersen]

How true. Apparently there is a Norwegian "chapter" of the AAA.

[@michaelkim3432]

Bjorn - have you considered a BMW i3 BEV?

[@bjornnyland]

Hell naw

[@rikm12]

have forwarded onto the Sun.....🙂

[@photo-graphic576]

What app is it you are using to get data on your phone?

[@suvdrift]

As a driver of a Soul. You're asking having the aerodynamics of a plane in a toaster 😂. Sadly, with degradation and only being a 27, I would suggest trying a Niro or a Kona with bigger battery..... even if it cost a bit more.

[@larsenpetter]

The cheapest option, without having to worry to much about degradation, is the 2018'-2019'-model Kia Soul EV 30 kWh. Amazing much better, and I had the 27 kWh one before.

[@bjornnyland]

They cost 5 times more...

[@larsenpetter]

​@@bjornnylandI know it is over your budget, but the 30 kWh version is so much better, and would probably not give you any trouble regarding the battery pack.

[@iforpowell7390]

@@larsenpetter But the more trouble the better the videos do!!!

[@bjornnyland]

Too expensive

[@tobimai4843]

That cell drift is weird, even for an old battery.

[@thewellguidedtraveler2891]

Is it true that a cold wave hits Scandinavia those last few days ?

[@bjornnyland]

Korrekt

[@Lex52]

Hahahaa your face in the thumbnail 😂

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

DC chargers should have built in free, K-cup coffee machine, to sip while you wait freezing in car.

[@cap0815]

The Sun has entered the chat - again within two days...

[@alexdalgleish1061]

If you got the ‘18 model year Soul with smidgen more kwh with higher miles.

[@bjornnyland]

Too expensive

[@atanasivanov5017]

The problem with these battery is that they are not compressed at factory via there cooling system.

[@s.kxx1956]

Oh the agony !

[@hadtopicausername]

That car is definitely not worth the asking price. I think your estimate is a better one, especially given that both sets of tyres need replacing. Nine year old summer tyres can give you some nasty surprises in the wet.

[@robsmith1a]

The Sun will enjoy editing this one. EV gives man Tourette's!

[@bjornnyland]

They don't even edit. They just steal.

[@GManPT]

[@scottelkington7661]

Just get a 30kWh version Bjorn!

[@larsenpetter]

Well, I don't think you can get one as cheap as his budget is (75000 NOK). The cheapest 2018'model Soul EV in Norway right now is around 100000,-NOK, but I agree - it is worth the extra money because of the much better battery pack. He could also lock for older cars, that have had their battery pack replaced. Those might be a little cheaper.

[@scottelkington7661]

Yeah can't see 25000 NOK being an issue for him... pretty sure he'll end up with one, or as you say one with the replaced battery@@larsenpetter

[@scottelkington7661]

He can still afford 25000 NOK to not buy a dud..@@robindhaenens

[@bjornnyland]

Too expensive

[@scottelkington7661]

Just get a 2017 model then with improved battery (same modules as 30kWh)@@bjornnyland

[@icucode]

7 month abroad. Maybe a car from Sweden after the first owner got the incentive money after 6 months 😄

Very likely actually. Sweden has exported a loot of EVs!

[@Bufaritza]

When are we expecting to get the Highland 1000 KM challenge? Seems everyone is already doing some variants of these tests. Is it weather specific? You would like to do it when it is warmer? Just don't understand the delay (if this was addressed in any of the past videos,I have not seen them all)

[@malteroeper3723]

I think marcusbill ordered a highland and he will be testing it once it gets delivered

[@Danne89]

He said in previous video that Marcus just took delivery of it and is getting the company logo/wrap fixed. Won't be long until Björn will have it to test.

[@JanSevera]

Why do you need it so urgently? Just wait, it will come in next two weeks.

[@Bufaritza]

@@JanSevera I never said I need it urgently. I never used the word. Always thought he would be one of the first to test the highlands.

[@mfurmyr]

A taxidriver in Oslo drives this car. Now it is minus 12 C.

[@discoverynews5186]

Tesla needs to launch a Model 2 for aprox 25000euros, that will rock the second hand market for Leafs, Souls, E Golf etc That's when I'll buy a second hand EV for half of today's price !

[@glenf4115]

Would Wifey be comfortable being stuck on the onramp with Isabelle and future baby in the car and be able to setup the ecoflow as she locates an ever diminishing CHAdeMO charger? If you are after a cheaper/smaller 1st gen car with a built-in generator - have you tested the 1st gen i3 with 23kW ReX?

[@bjornnyland]

Hell naw

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Overpriced California gas only 3.95 USD/gallon I spend like 40 USD per month, so I'm good.

[@ouch1011]

So you drive like 100 miles per month?

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

I know many will disagree, but I'm convinced that EVs should have smaller batteries and range extenders (generator). Home charging is great for commuting, but longer trips relying on public chargers is clearly a nightmare. In 2018, a million drivers ran out of fuel in the uk. Just imagine the workload of assisting even a fifth of that number?

[@michaellippmann4474]

Lol...my wife and I just completed a 14,648km road trip around North America. We visited 19 states and 2 provinces. Did 77 charging sessions...only had minor issues 3 times. The charging network in NA is not perfect but it is adequate. We put 60,000km a year on our EV's and honestly do not have major problems...so either we are extremely lucky (not likely as per my record with buying lottery tickets 😂) or the system is not really as bad as many people want to portray it! 😅 Mike and Ally 🇨🇦 🍁

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

@@michaellippmann4474 good effort! The UK charging network needs work!

[@MrAdopado]

I can tell you that I have run out of fuel a few times in an ICE car ... but never in my EV. In an EV you know you need to think/plan so you are generally at reduced risk of actually running out, I find. In a fuel car you always expect there will be fuel available nearby ... and just sometimes it isn't!

[@michaellippmann4474]

@MrAdopado I have had several people challenge me with - "what are you going to do when you run out of charge?"...my answer has always been I have been driving for 50 years now, always about 60,000 - 90,000km per year and I have never run out of gas in an ICE vehicle. Why would I run out of electrons?? 🤣🤣🤣 Mike 🇨🇦 🍁

[@JakubChalupnik]

Would you consider bringing a diesel generator with you next time? 😛

[@bjornnyland]

They are too weak. Ecoflow weighs 25 kg and can output 2.4-2.6 kW continuous power. A diesel generator that size/weight has way less continuous power.

[@RealWorldCarReviews]

Imagine asking someone to pay £5,300 for a car that can only go 60 miles (100km) before needing charging again! 🤦‍♂️ This is the area where older ICE cars are unbeatable compared to older EVs.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

The Korean companies seem to be unable to build a good reliable battery. How hard can it be to copy a Chinese battery? Or just lease their technology. Almost all recalls are from these Korean companies and it continues year after year🤬.The new ev9 came out with only 220kW peak charging. When all new Chinese cars are coming out with 500kW+. They are in big big trouble😢

[@kairikkola]

Buy EV if you wanna live in stress. Especially now when it's -20 in Scandinavia. My Ionic waits summer and now stressfree diesel Mazda goes +1100 km with one "charging". Diesel is even cheaper than Ionity charging.

[@rokadamlje5365]

some quality drama

[@M.issgeBurt]

Hey Björn, What does driving electric vehicles and diarrhea have in common ? The fear of not getting home in time.

[@bjornnyland]

Not getting in time. Not getting there at all.

[@achtungpolizei7614]

🎉🎉🎉🙌

[@atledavidsen4837]

These are per definition not old cars. The average age of norwegian cars is ~10 yrs. Meaning cars older than average can be described as old(er) cars. They also are supposed to last apx. 18,6 yrs... On another note this is a good video series clearly demonstrating this is junk for most people looking for an fairly average norwegian car. In Norway the average sold car is apx 8 yrs old and costs apx 100.000 nok. There is plenty of vehicles to choose from making 500-1000 km on a fast fill-up at that price. Not even having to worry about extreme costs for a new battery. With many now experiencing -20 to -40 deg. C that even makes this worse. What would this car have managed in real-life conditions right now (no heated garage for instance)? 50 km? 60? For a car that has been on the road for 9 yrs and a few months? WOW!

[@Mrback2k9]

The Soul has no more Soul 😂

[@bjornnyland]

It's a lost soul 🤣

[@swecreations]

100k kms and on original tires "but EVs wear tires like crazy".

[@alakart1063]

that is just simply not true

[@V10PDTDI]

@@alakart1063you still have to consider that this car has two sets of tires so the wear is divided with 8 tires compared to a car that drives all year with the summer tires on.

[@iamalittlepepper]

It also depends whether the driver habit whether the driver "live quarter of a mile at a time". 7 years is a long time, it will be interesting if Bjorn tell us what the tread depth is left, however I think it is irrelevant, I don't think the place will discount 28% (the price of tire replacement).

[@Twin.motors]

EV tires wear the same as any car with similar weight and power. My old BMW and Mercedes ate tires for breakfast so far my EV lasted way longer

[@ianemery2925]

I think the tyre wear meme comes from new converts enjoying the instant torque and shredding the tyres off of the line; it took me a week to get my right foot trained, especially pulling out of one junction, where I was turning uphill on a negative camber.

[@Blasterxp]

The hunt for budget EV has started. Maybe Dacia something?

[@iamalittlepepper]

Is there a Dacia EV that is 70k NOK?

[@Blasterxp]

@@iamalittlepepper Dacia Spring with 20.000km, 2021, price will drop fast. It is not really a great highway car, but in the Netherlands a lot of people try to ride as cheap as possible. We pay in euro, so don't know the NOK.

[@iamalittlepepper]

@@Blasterxp Bjorn is looking for a EV that is in the 6500 Euro range. I am sure he will appreciate it if you can find a Dacia Spring 2021 at that price today!

[@Blasterxp]

@@iamalittlepepper oh dear! 6-7k... Maybe Renault Fluence? It is hard to find something nice for this price.

[@bjornnyland]

Not available in Norway and too expensive.

[@vencibushy]

A glimpse of every EV's near future.

[@MrAdopado]

Whereas Ford had 100+ years of experience yet still came up with the Ecoboost engine which appears to have the poorest life expectancy of any vehicle. ICE cars are different to each other and EVs are different to each other. You can't look at one model and then lump them all together and then use that as evidence.

[@ydmf2]

Shiiiiii-it 😂

[@dgurevich1]

Bjorn is clearly a fan of Clay Davis kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWHIhmtqZdGWaZo

[@nickdegroot2445]

Insane how these relatively young ev’s are basically written off after like 8 years because of the 30% degradation… I am curious what will happen with the ev’s on the market you see now a lot as Model 3, ID models from Volkswagen and the Koreans. These batteries are bigger so they will degrade less but even if its 30% in 10-15 years they are basically written off.

[@bjornnyland]

Tesla Model S from 2013 (10 years) with 262k km on the battery has only 12 % degradation. Still good for 400 km range.

[@nickdegroot2445]

@@bjornnyland that is true. So it will really depend on the model and also battery size. Tesla has little problems but I am curious about other car manufacturers.

[@michaellippmann4474]

​@@nickdegroot2445 actually the degradation is not that big of a concern...it all depends on use. If you only drive 10 - 30km per day an older EV with a battery that has stabilized at 30% degradation and only gives 80 - 90km of range is more than adequate. We have an Ioniq5, have over 40,000km on the car, no noticeable range loss (I know there is some degradation...) and it will provide us with years of driving. We are shopping for a used EV (Soul, Leaf, etc) and as long as it has 70 - 90 KM of range it will be perfect for us as a go into town car....even if the range degrades further it will still be usable. In any case not sure any if these cars are write offs due to the availability of used batteries at a reasonable cost. In my part of Canada the biggest concern is how long will the body structure last due to the massive amounts of salt that is used on our roads. I suspect that most EV's will rust out before the batteries become unusable....just like an ICE vehicle usually disintegrates before the drive train packs it in. Just my thoughts and observations... Mike 🇨🇦 🍁

[@adrieljr]

The smaller the battery capacity, the more often you'll have to recharge, so if the battery lasts 1000 cycles, you will achieve that in half the time of a car with double the battery capacity. Also, these air cooled batteries are notorious to have higher degradation. The Leaf more than the Soul though.

[@wimschoenmakers5463]

Thanks for confirming in your video's that's those EV's are all crap, and I don't need that stress during my trips.

[@Danne89]

Don't buy a CHAdeMO car for anything else than home charging and shorter trips.

[@AERONOOB]

Je hebt wel een beetje gelijk Wim. Ik rij zelf al 10 jaar elektrisch prive, omdat het voor mij toevallig goed werkt. Maar er is in buitenwereld gewoon veel ontkenning over de toestand van die Li-accus na 7,8, 9, 10 jaar. vanaf zaterdag begin ik aan mn eerste Tesla Model3, maar ik houd er rekening mee dat er na een jaar of 8,9,10 toch echt een nieuwe accu in moet om de auto bruikbaar te houden. Wat het tegen die tijd kost weet ik niet, maar ik heb het er voor over precies zoals andere autofanaten graag dure turbos of carbonvleugels voor op de auto kopen. Van sommigen mag een auto het liefst helemaal niets kosten, vind ik ook best. Ieder zijn ding. De Kia in de video is met zijn 27kwh versie wel uitzonderlijk slecht, maar alle accus gaan gewoon aanzienlijk achteruit op dat soort leeftijden.

[@larsenpetter]

My 2018'model Kia Soul EV 30 kWh works just fine, with seemingly no degradation, at least I seem to get the same range as before. But the first Kia Soul EV with 27 kWh, has a really crapy battery pack.

[@Danne89]

nice english@@AERONOOB

[@AERONOOB]

@@Danne89 Thanks, doing my best as always! Cheers!

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@omerfar]

I am surprised by the degradation. I have to reconsider buying second hand EV. If it was ICE it could just keep on going with almost same level of fuel mileage. Where are all the genus people who clamed not be worried about the battery degradation before 1/2 million Km.....

[@larsenpetter]

In the case of Kia Soul EV 27 kWh, these had a really crapy battery pack, but already few years later came the 30 kWh battery pack which is much improved (with different chemistry and so on). I used to have a Soul EV with the 27 kWh battery pack for four years, and am now on my fifth year with one with the 30 kWh battery pack. When I sold the first one, Kia measured it to have SoH 88.5%. My second one is now older, and has driven further, but Kia still measures it to have SoH 100%. And it seems to have the same range still to.

[@szalaigabor1714]

I'm surprised too. These Souls and Leafs degrade a lot but the old e-Golf and Ioniq 28kWh cars are holding up with basically zero degradation.

[@tobimai4843]

Highly depends on the car. Classic ioniq for example has Far less degradation. Also cars with proper battery cooling are probably also better. Kia seems to have pretty crappy battery

[@johnmackay7789]

I can appreciate that it won't be the same for them all but this is the one thing that is making me hesitate getting an EV. It's all very well if you can afford new and then after 3-4 years replace it but the rest of us can only buy second hand and will be the only car we can buy. Parting with £7k for something that will only do 50-60 miles (and will only get progressively worse) when a little more money gets you a Sportage with none of that worry is hard to argue against. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti EV.

[@iamalittlepepper]

I mean Bjorn had done a degradation test on a Soul a few years ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKbNd517qsymjpo so I am sure he knows what to look for going in. It really depends on the EV capacity and your needs, eg if a Model 3 base can do 300km, and you only need 100km for your commute. If you have charging etc available every night at home, you will still do okay even if the battery degrade to 1/2 or more. EVs are more sensitive to individual use cases than ICE since you can't just fill up with gas and go. Case in point is Bjorn wants to sell his Leaf because it doesn't have enough range from his new place to the car dealers/ manufacturers office, but his old place is mostly fine.

[@icucode]

Just fix the battery. The hidden cost no EV owner wants to talk about 😜

[@manfredo4287]

With this budget I would buy a fossil car for your purpose!