KICKED OFF DREAM CRUISE FOR COMPLAINING

KICKED OFF DREAM CRUISE FOR COMPLAINING.
A 68 year old woman has been removed from sailing on the Villa Vie cruise ship because she was complaining too much on WhatsApp. The company say she broke multiple terms of service as well as an NDA. She says she was always respectful but has the right to complain when the ship has had multiple set backs and no one has been able to get on the ship for four months

[@anakerose]

I would be upset if I spent that much and had this much of a delay and the ship still isn't ready. The fact they're saying hotels are no longer covered is a big red flag. This company must be hemorrhaging money.

[@tduck828]

Agreed!!

[@tardisrider613]

That ship is never going to sail and those passengers are all screwed.

[@bonniescutt3648]

I truly don't blame her for complaining. I would!!

[@kristenkroes9649]

I can see how frustrated these people would be.

[@lukeolmstead1024]

I think she should take this to local and national news outlets, it'll be good publicity for them.

[@arich9326]

Everyone already knows

[@alibasher72]

It’s been all over the news in the uk and in their daily papers.

[@janicewestcott9844]

I’d be pretty upset if I had this cruise booked.

[@LauraPerry63]

I wouldnt trust that company for cruising at all.

[@MrHappyMickey]

The Villa Vie sounds like a scam and unprofessionally run. And why do they require a NDA unless they knew there were going to be problems and don't want customers complaining about it. Everything smells fishy here! All those passengers should file a class action against that cruise-line instead of ratting out others who are voicing their opinions on what is happening.

[@EKA201-j7f]

Good summary!

[@davidmarsden305]

Absolutely correct, has been mismanaged from the very start, selling the cruise, without even having a ship🧐 proper shit show

[@RetiredZGrt]

The contract says people have to sue individually, no class actions. Obviously that makes it very expensive because lawyers don't want to take the case on a % basis rather than charging hourly fees because they can't make enough based on just what 1 person has paid

[@bryantsteury8910]

Right, you'd think cruise ships, particularly some of the most expensive cabins on said ship would actively look to torpedo any NDA's since it'd limit the free advertising that'd come with people discussing and promoting their product (assuming it's good).

[@scottevans2685]

​@@RetiredZGrtIs that even legal? Something tells me the courts will tear that clause to shreds.

[@motel1029]

I think she was duped by management who shouldn't have started selling rooms until they had a viable product. In my opinion she has every right to complain!!

[@jocelynmyers]

Poor lady. NDA sounds fishy. The whole whats app group would be in violation if the breaking of nda was valid Anyone who is supposed to be on that ship is spending so much money waiting for it to leave, even if housing is covered, is food, extra insurance, etc? Hopefully she gets her money back and then it would probably be a good thing she isn't going to have to live with the traitors that ratted her complaining out. I hope she can sue. That company is a mess

[@cindyk3281]

I don't like complaining, but this was justified. It should not cost her her money.

[@salesencore]

So, it FINALLY sails and no more problems for 3 years, right?? Holy moly, the nightmare has only begun!!

[@michellejessey8654]

Not sailed yet

[@salesencore]

@@michellejessey8654 understand that, I was fast-forwarding as the focus is on a sail date. That’s the least of their worries IMO

[@JennyatSea]

Thanks Don for covering this -Correction -Life at Seas owes me 30K -Villa Vie does owe me $$$ but I am not free to give numbers -That is the only thing the "NDA" covers -financial stuff. What VV claims to be a NDA is a short paragraph actually in the " Terms and Conditions" posted on the website right now -very small print -hard to find but there. There was no NDA in the paper contract signed but an agreement that you abide by the T&C on the website which has changed a few times since conception. So rather fuzzy area. I am happy to answer any questions I can, and I love your channel -been watching for a few years with Tony. And my personality could be described as "no longer a doormat".

[@suzannadannaTARDIS]

Jenny, this is horrible, but I think you dodged a bullet. Can you imagine being one of the people in that What'sApp group that is still IN the chat? They're afraid that anything they say will be shared with the powers that be and they'll be kicked off. It will breed distrust of their fellow passengers, and that community at sea that you were hoping now has people guarding their words

[@JennyatSea]

@@suzannadannaTARDIS agree!

[@JennyatSea]

@@lindasm8773 I do not understand what you are saying. What part is an oral one? Yes US contract with US based company, although since the time of signing company has moved to Marshall Islands so I do not know how that impacts this. If you are an attorney I would love to chat privately.

[@JennyatSea]

@@lindasm8773 Thanks for the comment and I am wondering the same thing. I am hoping the NDA will be published tomorrow if allowed, it is very brief and only seems to specify that we can not discuss money. I am still looking for a lawyer, might have to be in Delaware though. I need a lawyer to tell me where I need a lawyer?

[@leslietrent3682]

Let’s address the elephant in the room. What do all these people don’t see. Make it make sense. The whole operation is one big scam.

[@cindyonyoutube]

Gosh this ship & idea of living aboard seems plagued with nothing but problems. I'd be upset too!

[@ellennewth6305]

It sounds as if this customer’s complaints are legitimate. If what she says to other people in a private conversation is TRUE the cruise ship has no business cancelling her reservation!

[@jameswade7550]

I believe she has a right to complain and be very upset with how things for that cruise is being ran and all the delays.

[@Columbus1152]

Asking people to pay for a cruise that's not happening, sounds fraudulent. Taking this lady to court may be a can of worms they don't want to open.

[@michellejessey8654]

@@Columbus1152 they dont care

[@davidhudson5452]

Sniff sniff i smell law suit coming

[@nancycruiseaholic]

I was just going to make the same comment!

[@athenaskellion7738]

Very simple..If they don't want her to complain, give her refund back immediately

[@randa200771]

What it does sound like is that an official investigation needs to take place in to the business activities of the company because it does sound extremely dodgy

[@michellejessey8654]

@@randa200771 absolutely. Smells like racketeering to me

[@bmills9821]

a company would be crazy not to refund her money and should also pay interest on it.

[@susanjoy3513]

It seems very strange they won't answer the questions that need to be answered and she and others have put out large sums of money and nothing is happening.

[@steve1la]

never book without a ship that is up and running

[@user-up9iq7ic8z]

If She got Her Money back Great , If not Raise H%^^ ...

[@jfk609]

This is only one side it would be interesting to see the full conversations. But, with a ship that still has not sailed I would have a hard time paying for a cruise that has not history of sailing.

[@sherifowler6614]

Villa Vie hoodwinked a lot of people.

[@007who]

RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM THAT CRUISE. READ THE ROOM PEOPLE. THIS WOULD NOT BE A SAFE CRUISE.

[@michellejessey8654]

@@007who no running no refunds

[@007who]

@@michellejessey8654 it’s called a law suit. They have broken the contract

[@4daloveofcruising]

I would not book anything that big unless it's reputable company, already tested ship and got very good reviews. Something is telling me her lawsuit is going to bankrupt this new company.

[@SFontaine]

6:18 "One of those types of personalities?" Oh, you mean somebody that isn't a pushover and won't let a company keep $30,000 of their hard-earned money? One of THOSE types? Okay, carry on. 🤙

[@EKA201-j7f]

I think he means she has the "grit" it takes to tackle such a headache.

[@SFontaine]

@@EKA201-j7f I dunno.... to me it seemed more like he was covertly calling her a "Karen," (for lack of a better term), lol.

[@JennyatSea]

@@EKA201-j7f thank you, and yes

[@barbaralazier8352]

The Villa Vie sounds like a non starter for me. The women’s story sounds like being called to the Principal’s office

[@Paul_Wetor]

When they sell the cruise first and hope to have a ship second, that's a big red flag.

[@judymorris8749]

I would be mad and give me my money back im done.

[@EKA201-j7f]

I wonder if the ship will pass its sea trials this time. And a Non-Disclosure Agreement? On a deal like this? Setting up for a loss? Whoo-oo! Boy!

[@Graygeezer]

Sounds like management violated the NDA.

[@richardracette-w6w]

That is something that can happen in this world of cruises. Thanks again Don

[@angelathomas6770]

She wasn't the only one that they did that too. I heard that the other person has already received her money back. But I also heard that the one that hasn't is because she is threatening to sue.

[@JennyatSea]

Hi, this is Jenny, let me clarify, 2 women including myself were terminated, I purchased "segments" on a pay as you go plan so I do not have that much invested, they did refund me apx 40% - it was a CC payment I could have disputed to get it back anyway. NO refund on my bank wire. The other woman, Bonny, purchased a cabin, eeck, yep she is out a "boatload" with no refunds at all 2 months out. Neither of us as of today has initiated a lawsuit but we would love to get legal advice from a Maritime atty asap. Hope that helps.

[@norahbeck]

“Type of personality “. ??? it seems to me she had been bamboozled. She’s a victim! Hopefully, if she doesn’t get her money back she will complain from the treetops.

[@JennyatSea]

I am in the trees now !, jenny

[@randijaffe-7665]

I can’t believe they signed an NDA?? Red flag, to me!!!

[@davidspindler1518]

Is this an established cruise line? If not I would😮not have booked that cruise.

[@whiskeytango5680]

The founders are some of the same people who bankrupted a similar scheme (Life at Sea) just last year!

[@aaronmartinez5536]

Wow...I would be mad

[@lulubell2222]

This Villa whatever ship sounds like a floating dictator type of floating existence

[@TheOnlyLilithcat]

While people are paying for their own hotels and transport (must have been a logistical nightmare for the company!), they will be reimbursed in the form of on-board credits. Also, this woman signed an NDA and violated it. She agreed to the terms of service, and apparently violated them, too. It's interesting that OTHER cruisers complained about HER.

[@RetiredZGrt]

Yes onboard credits will work out great if the company continues long enough for passengers to use up those credits, if the company doesn't kick you off so you don't lose those onboard credits and if your credit cards can bear the extra expenses for all these months in the meantime.

[@bodyloverz30]

Two ladies have been kicked off the vessel, due to CEO.

[@pib2050]

It looks like they see the end of the money, then they go bancrupt so there will be no money fight for in court. Looks like a scam to me.

[@Girasole5849]

I can’t even imagine…. I would be upset after spending that amount of money with nothing to show for it..and multiple delays.

[@tduck828]

I don't blame her. Id be really pissed too!

[@cruisecrazy7066]

Why can they not stay aboard the Villa Vie instead of staying in hotels?

[@RetiredZGrt]

There has been a rotating series of reasons and back in July they were always told as soon as "x" was resolved they could move in tomorrow, move in in 2 days, etc so several times they lost their land accommodations because they cancelled because they were supposed to stay on the ship. First it was "the insurance isn't in place yet" then it was but "there's a 2 day notice period with the insurance before you can move in" then there "was an issue with the fire doors" and that was delayed in getting fixed but when it was fixed it became "we have to have Bahamian flag signoff first " (the ship is registered in the Bahamas), then and continuing to today it's that "the ship has to be certified first ". Quite clear the company can't manage a project plan and doesn't know what the requirements are so they ping pong from 1 thing to the next.

[@rachelolvera9435]

Whats app is not social media . I wonder if there was an imposter in the WhatsApp group when complaints come up to report it.

[@jobee1]

I dont know how to feel about this. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This guy already failed with life at Sea and now people are throwing money at him again “because this time he has a ship” of course he has a ship, he never gave those first people back their money. But having a ship and sailing a ship are not the same thing.

[@whiskeytango5680]

Especially a 30-year-old ship that had been laid up for many years. Established cruising companies would have already sent those rust buckets to the wrecking yard a long time ago. Passengers were told they could live aboard Villa Sea for 15 years! On a 45-year-old ship? I guess it's true a sucker is born every minute.

[@michellejessey8654]

Unfortunately

[@ChristineShelley]

She has a right to be upset. I wonder what she really said that made them make that decision.

[@GlennFoldy]

Sounds like a big scam to me. You say you're going to sail and then don't. That's outright fraud.

[@josieann5031]

A first glance at the title I thought the cruise line kicked Don off the ship because of his constant complaining on his videos.

[@janinecarr3805]

Wait, they have not actually provided a service. I think they are ripping her off!

[@emiliawalker4346]

I would probably not enter into a cruise contract with any company that's not already sailing. Sounds fishy to me!

[@joewines3883]

We can understand the frustration of that passenger. But if you sign a NDA, that's legally binding. Hopefully she gets her 30K back and can find a cruise that she likes.

[@kathymizda5586]

On a different note-love the tshirt. Rock and roll hall of fame. My home town, cleveland ohio!! Live in az now but always a fond memory of my hometown

[@fiesty1-jm707]

I'm not a complainer, and I can't stand people who are always complaining. In this case, I feel the complaints are legit! Six months later, the ship is not sailing? After everyone sold their residences and more? I'd be complaining and demanding answers also.

[@stephenc6648]

The story of this ship was all over the British media a few weeks ago. The stories focused on one American woman who had been staying in Belfast for months after relocating there with her cat. Residents were allowed on board and could enjoy the facilities and participate in activities during the day but weren't allowed to sleep on board until the ship had been signed off as seaworthy. When asked if she would complain or claim compensation, the woman pointed out that many of the residents were shareholders in the company so there seemed little point. She explained that a delay of a few months seemed a price worth paying because the residents' contracts allowed them to live on board for the remaining life of the ship which they anticipated to be about 15 years. I did wonder how typical she was of the people who'd handed over significant amounts of money after selling their property at home.

[@RetiredZGrt]

Not very typical as she's one of the Founders (residents who also invested $ and own shares in the company) and she said she would have gone on The World but she has a cat. The World requires you to have a minimum of $10million in assets before they would consider you becoming a resident. I was surprised at those early stories started by the BBC who only interviewed people with strong biases in favor of the company which is fine except the BBC didn't bother to mention how those interviewees were incentivized by the company and/or cruise.

[@marthagrant143]

I would never consider one of these type of deals. They just seem too sketchy.

[@OkieDokie680]

They will lose a lawsuit unless they also kick out every member in her WhatsApp group too.

[@michellejessey8654]

@@OkieDokie680 they are daring her to sue

[@OkieDokie680]

@@michellejessey8654 my point is this, if every member of the app group also signed nda’s, discussed everything in that group and only she was kicked out, then their actions are questionable at best, retaliatory at worst. But I’m no lawyer either so what do I know, not much.

[@joeseatac331]

I am curious to read that non-disclosure. Very strange situation.

[@michellejessey8654]

Its only if negative. If positive they let u say whatever

[@stevelavergne2852]

From what I've read, it wasn't asking questions. It was a constant stream of complaints about the cruise line. Also, it wasn't strictly other cruise members. Allegedly, there were people who were not on the cruise who were included.

[@RetiredZGrt]

A Founder (resident who also invested $ in the company) actually posted that it was residents on the WhatsApp that reported her to them. So residents ratting on other residents. Great atmosphere.

[@JennyatSea]

HI, this is Jenny and I can answer that for you. Yes, over the 3 months I was waiting actually in Belfast or Europe in general to stay close, We ALL voiced many "complaints" or concerns, questions or opinions . My posts were strictly contained to a private resident only WhatsApp chat or many months ago we used to post in "Circle" which is a company run app, it had been a long time since I personally posted in that app. I never posted in any public forum and you had to be vetted as a paid resident to join either of those 2 chats. Hope that helps.

[@carljohnson6434]

I'd be upset if I sold my house to go on a 3.5 year cruise as well. I would be carful when complaining though!

[@darryld_009]

With the ship not passing and ready to sail might be a good reason to complain

[@BirdsNNVA]

Lawsuit time.

[@twaunniebusse7262]

Upsetting situation

[@mickgaworecki8722]

If her comments broke the nondisclosure agreement, shouldn't all comments, even good ones, be considered in the same nondisclosure agreement? I'm not a lawyer, just asking.

[@janinecarr3805]

Hopefully there is an attorney out there that will take this on a contingency! They could also be set up for a class action lawsuit….. are they not in breech of contract? They sold a trip without a safe ship..

[@JennyatSea]

Thank you, looking for one now

[@LisaGreenberg-l7z]

I would get out now. If things are this bad now, imagine what problems could occur during the sailing. The sailing could be interrupted several times for whatever reason. Forget it.

[@nicolemiller4688]

What a mess. I wish everyone the best of luch.

[@DanKelly-l1t]

Just waiting for the cancelation announcement

[@williamcooper6830]

Frankly, I would like avgrat deal more hard data from both sides. Some how it would seem that on this socialist media only she gets the book? Complainers generally find others who complain. So it seems from my seat way in the back of ship...something is off in this story. I give her credit as far as sticking with the cruise line. I wouldvhave asked for a refund much earlier. One delay...fine two delays because the ship is not sea ready. I am out...I hope it works out for her...

[@CPO-Snarky]

Oh, the irony of this guy making a video about COMPLAINING !!!

[@tcmw779]

Don't sign up for things that don't exist, and if you do, and SIGN A CONTRACT - you might have a problem.

[@belxsar1504]

I can't help but think there is a lot more to this story all around than what's been publicized so far... 🤔

[@Awesome-autism]

They need to just cancel the whole thing and start the booking again and just get another start date and give discounts to people how were booked on the original sailing then they can choose if they still want to go on it or not

[@Harold-u8c]

I was not there so,I have no idea in what tone or manner the complaint was given. It is a she said they said, she took the risk of booking an unknown start date and unknown company cruise has to take some blame. I would have been pulling out long before this happened.

[@RetiredZGrt]

An unknown start date? The company said they were launching May 15 and told everyone to come to Southampton (when the ship was soooo far from being ready). Then they told everyone it was going to launch May 30 instead from Belfast, everyone come (when the ship at that point was even further from being ready).

[@blessednettie69]

What a joke! This whole thing!

[@HeatherGemmen]

I hope she sold her house at a high amount. She can probably buy it back cheaper and make a buck or two.

[@cydneystephen2814]

Wow. She sold her home? All these months and months of delays. Her complaints/concerns are just. They are cancelling her contract. Just give her back her money 🤦‍♀️. Very unfortunate. JJ Cruise and Griff and Alyssa were supposed to be on certain segments too. They both been cruising and living their life.

[@pattappurple]

I can understand her being annoyed but it sounds like she was upsetting other guests.

[@betsyhertzog1454]

Nothing to do about today's topic.When I 1st watched 1 of your videos you spoke of someone who got really upset when a person drove their car onto their front yard , didn't matter the person was having a heart attack, a health issue. Your take on it was humorous & it started me watching you. You know which tape that was ? Would love to hear, see it again.

[@teresamiller5412]

Very sad

[@dchhieng]

There are at least 2 couples on KZbin who have been defending the company. I wonder what kind of benefits or threats they have received from the company. I would Not😢buy into a 35 year old ship to cross the oceans

[@RetiredZGrt]

The Relentlessly Positive Couple were upgraded by the company from the windowless inside cabin they had purchased on the lowest floor to a window cabin a bit higher up when their vlog became popular and they exclusively said positive things about the company and glossed over/didn't give true answers in replies to people's comments. For quite awhile they have been deleting any comments with negative facts about the company (they didn't delete negative speculation without any facts). They have loosened up since they returned to the US and weren't having their accommodation paid for anymore and now sometimes leave the facts others post. They also have a link on their vlog for you to buy a segment (ka-ching!). The other couple are Positive But Occasionally Express Some Doubts. They were more honest and balanced and they haven't gotten upgrades nor sold segments and they didn't delete negative facts UNTIL the night of the day when the media reports came out about the kicked off passengers. That night/early the next morning they did a HUGE house cleaning for the first time and deleted a ton of comments to where each comment no longer had a long chain of others' comments, all that was left was 1 Reply and that Reply was exclusively from them. I don't know, but it somewhat appeared as if they might have gotten into trouble.

[@joannke7727]

Sounds fishy to me. So much money invested. I would complain

[@boniw698]

Anybody who paid into this crazy idea is getting there just deserts. Just not on this cruise ship. Refunds anyone. ???

[@michellejessey8654]

They not refunding

[@ivanmorley3735]

I wonder which country's laws apply. I know the UK has a law against unfair contracts, which this may fall under, especially since the cruise line has failed to meet their obligations.

[@Cruisetravelers]

She HAD to have said something to warrant this. May be a threat or try to organize something or whatever. I’m sure I company wouldn’t go through all of this just because someone “respectfully” asked for answers. Of course she isn’t going to come out and say that she was using bad language or tried to organize a riot or threaten them in some way. Until I see the actual text thread, I’m not buying her story.

[@kylady1959]

I don't blame her!

[@lulubell2222]

In general, not only about this specific situation,Don.. but in general, there is no such thing as free speech anymore. Your speech has to be in line for the most part with everyone, their beliefs and what their thoughts are and if it’s not, it’s either hate speech or not acceptable, even if it’s not hate speech and even if in most situations, it would be acceptable that if someone wants to find a reason to shut you up they will, and for the most part can easily do so by saying they are offended just my opinion

[@sharonmcmickens9853]

Hi Don I would say i shake my head on Shay business. This is what i think of this ship.

[@Crusingchicka]

I would be 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@rickinnes]

Living life on a cruise KZbin channel has update - Ship on sea trials now. Hoping all gos well and they can board soon .

[@RetiredZGrt]

Today was just test sea trials by the company ahead of Round 2 sea trials scheduled for 9/20 at the moment.

[@dfindy]

Could it be that cruise line banned her because she always brought bad luck to cruise companies? 😄Don mentioned the previous cruise she signed up for ended up in bankruptcy

[@JennyatSea]

Ha ha -so I should not adopt the black cat for the camper van I am buying?

[@sarahj.5970]

Is not this the secind not ready ship as well...I can see certain set of complain rules for living together on a ship for three plus years but it is very fishy.

[@jerzeegrl1693]

Sounds like a 🤡company

[@sherrydiener8688]

Hi Don, How much more dose the line think these people have to take.

[@michaelrobinson1806]

IDK we will never know. I can only go by what both sides are saying. Now is she allowed to complain, i would way so (personal opinion)...however a red flag is you saying other people saying she was ruining THIER experience with her compiling to them. My view is she has a right to complain to anyone that will listen, and I have a right to not listen to her. If she started forcing her opinions on me in that situation and she would not stop even when i didnt want to listen, then kick her off...just as if i forced my opinions on others, then kick me off. And ive seen people play the victim like this only for it to come out they were bullying and being rude to other passengers and this is sounding more like that. We all know people that have gone beyond just complaining...imagine having to cruse with someone like that for 15years...no thanks.

[@RetiredZGrt]

And also just imagine sailing with this company for 15 years where they are trying to control what you say, even (semi) privately in the place where you eat/sleep/get your entertainment.

[@michaelrobinson1806]

@@RetiredZGrt yep that would suck. However there are quite a few other KZbin channels with the passengers from that ship vloging the events and yep some are quite vocal about the “issues”, just they are vocal on their own channel to thier aiduence and not to bothering other passengers…and the company hasn’t banned them. So it further leads me to believe this was an issue with them bothering other passengers who didn’t like it…heck I would be pissed if another passenger did that to me personally. Hopefully it all gets resolved soon for everyone though.

[@michaelrobinson1806]

@@lindasm8773I wouldn’t say they are screaming at top of their lungs for sure but idk if I would call it “restrained”. that would imply they agree with my view & aren’t expressing it. They r expressing how they feel, me thinking they aren’t as upset as they should be is kind of pointless. None of all this affects any of us. Our opinions are meaningless on how upset they “should” be tbh. I just don’t get being a third party that’s completely removed from it all and being upset if they are not. If they r truly upset I support it, if they are not upset I support that too, it’s their life not ours…forcing others to react so it fits with my own feelings is kind of the issue that I pointing out might be the real thing going on here, that’s no ok. People are allowed to be upset and are allowed to not be upset…some people forget others don’t have to be as upset as you on the issue is all

[@joelroach416]

Does not look like a promising investment.

[@jojola5198]

But she hadn’t paid for it?????? She has stated that she was on a pay as you go plan with a $5K deposit. None of the owners were being charged while the ship remained at dock. There are many plans available together with many cabin/villa options. Many residents are also founders club members giving them more of a stake and say in the project. The sad thing is that it sounds like Jenny Phenix was trying to advocate for herself and the residents with some residents thanking her for asking the difficult questions. Unfortunately not all the residents saw it this way and VV claim 12 residents complained about Jenny complaining 🙄 VV said in their statement that together with the founding members they had decided to terminate Jenny’s contract claiming she had broken some of the terms of the contract. Jenny has stated that she reserved one of the cheapest internal villas. The $30K she is owed is from the failed Life at Sea not VV. When LAS failed many of the owners moved to VV. I do not believe she has received her $30K from LAS as of yet. I’m sure the failure of LAS is why she only put $5K down on her VV villa. Once the cruise set sail she most likely would have purchased her villa. It’s terrible that some of the residents chose to stab her in the back rather than speaking to her directly. It’s clear they don’t value her as an owner and suggests there’s already some kind of class structure forming among the owners and certainly among the founders club. I think she’s well out of it. I hope she finds a better adventure with more open and honest people that value and support her rather than knock her down and kick her out. It’s absolutely disgusting how she has been treated. She had a right to voice her concerns especially under the circumstances. I’m not a VV owner just curious about the adventure but how they’ve treated Jenny would make me think twice about feeling comfortable on a cruise with people who have done this especially to a single older lady. Not a good look.