Taken from Super Best Friendcast 195: superbestfriend...
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@SmarkusAurelius7 жыл бұрын
Melee is not a fighting game
@ehmiguel76027 жыл бұрын
Crooty it really isn't. even sakurai said so.
@GoldRaptor007 жыл бұрын
Crooty melee isn't even a game
@griffin__66737 жыл бұрын
Melee doesn't even exist tbh
@Peanutz9967 жыл бұрын
Crooty fuck off
@AStandsForFrench7 жыл бұрын
it's not tho
@Screwy6 жыл бұрын
9:46 "But if that's the difference between winning EVO and not winning EVO..." "Then you did not deserve to win EVO" Pat, for once, is a prophet
@InvaderKaz20085 жыл бұрын
If you're nothing without the controller, you shouldn't have it
@StellaStarfall5 жыл бұрын
FoxOwne _Nice._
@ledzeppelinfan10015 жыл бұрын
I mean...hes right lmao
@dethkid75 жыл бұрын
Time to ban all arcade sticks then
@kbg-5 жыл бұрын
@@dethkid7 More like time to ban all pads, and only allow arcade sticks.
@BlargleWargle7 жыл бұрын
"Then you didn't deserve to win Evo." Right there, mate. If you can't win on the same level that everyone fights at, you're not a good combatant.
@Whatevsman276 жыл бұрын
Ashton Leinauer really went deep on that one chief
@TastyChurro6 жыл бұрын
Ashton Leinauer why?
@logandh26 жыл бұрын
Tasty Churro It’s a Melee fan, we don’t talk to their kind
@Yal_Rathol6 жыл бұрын
Ashton Leinauer and yet, we all seem to understand human interaction better than you do. does that make you a sub-human creature if we're retarded?
@madthrasher886 жыл бұрын
The one time pat isnt super wrong. he's super right.
@ncala7 жыл бұрын
Pat was scratched by his cat during a stream. Little did he know his cat's claws were made of stand arrow, turning him into PAT and evolving his stand into CRAZY TALK REQUIEM. When sufficiently angry its power reverses allowing PAT to be 100% right on whatever he is ranting about! This is the power of the Ultimate Ginger. The power to create truth out of lies!
@nube1oscuras7 жыл бұрын
Kind of like the Bite Marks from Jojolion?
@n-aera6 жыл бұрын
MetalCrow448 the Requiem Arrow is the most stupid excuse in the whole saga
@n-aera6 жыл бұрын
MetalCrow448 yes? hey!if the arrows that never got an actual introduction pierces you a second time you get a power up! and somehow no one ever tried this! but hey! don't go yet! remember the arrows? somehow there are special ones that somehow gives you a even more broken power up and yet... SOMEHOW NO ONE TRIED IT TOO BEFORE admit it, the arrows are just a plot device
@AwkwardKyle6 жыл бұрын
The meteor the arrow was made from should have been part of Kars
@n-aera6 жыл бұрын
MetalCrow448 you can't say "everything is a plot device" to justify the lack of an explanation of an important plot-changing event, that only proves that the writer is lazy or rushing things wich we know Araki was doing at the end of part 5
@mattland29985 жыл бұрын
this video has aged m a g n i f i c e n t l y
@64sierra465 жыл бұрын
Like a fine wine.
@aratherfestiveperson32735 жыл бұрын
darklordster they pulled melee from evo iirc
@apa123APA5 жыл бұрын
Also Street Fighter has some major drama about hitboxes the past months.
@vinnythewebsurfer4 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHA. Pat is great
@ATHF3464 жыл бұрын
even more so now
@BMBlasterMan7 жыл бұрын
All these years of being wrong, and out of nowhere Pat is the most right person in the world. Amazing.
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
Except taht he consntalty uses the phrase "I hate the Melee community" when he should say he hates the worst people in it. Sure maybe he MEANS that, but you don't say "I hate black people" if there are some black guys that honeslty are assholes.
@BMBlasterMan7 жыл бұрын
Yeah great point calling out the Melee community is the same as racism, brilliant post.
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
Discrimination is discrimination
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
I am saying that I personally feel that all discrimination (to any race, disabled, or any person's various beliefs or in this case interest) is equally bad because it greatly harms the speaker's (in this case Pat's, mindedness and thoughts about other people. Again I don't think he really feels that way but I personally feel it's something taht should be very sensitive about. I say this as a person with avisual disability who has constnatly had to deal with the discrimination of "Oh you can't see well, guess you need help right?" As in the person assuming something of me before they know me. I don't wan them to think of me that way AND i dont' want myself to think of them in a bad way. If you want to talk to me more about this, try and find me on Skype I guess cause it's a mindset I hold strong. Bottom line, to me, all discrimination is equally bad and we should all take steps to be a lot more sensitive about our word choices. If that's an unpopular opinion, or if you stil lthink my "all discrimination is equally bad" is garbage, fair enough but I stand by it.
@rosshickman66817 жыл бұрын
Its the end times the end times have come!
@Jardonius7 жыл бұрын
"No, Melee is a good game, it's just the people that make it trash." I'm okay with this.
@FuriousGorge6 жыл бұрын
Jarod Walker I can agree with half of that.
@BaconMaken5 жыл бұрын
Nah, melee is outdated crap. I have no idea why so many people praise it as "DA BEST SMASH GAME EVAH" when 90% of everyone just plays as Fox. It's obviously not balanced.
@StormsparkPegasus5 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with that. It's a great game, especially for its time. But Ultimate is a way better game in every way. I still have Melee and still play it occasionally, but I don't do this stupid BS "oh I have to use a CRT and a broken controller". I haven't owned a CRT since 2004.
@MIGU3L2K5 жыл бұрын
Great at the time, but Ultimate is by far, WAY better
@chuckles31164 жыл бұрын
Bacon Maken 1. One of the best parts of Melee on a competitive level is edgeguarding and the dynamic risk/reward it allows for with Edge Hog (which was removed in 4 and Ultimate) acting as a safe option. 2. The hitstun is so short in Ultimate that there isn’t any period where the player getting hit is vulnerable to follow up but can DI to escape 3. Melee is the only entry (aside from PM) that has fast characters and has characters retain ground momentum when they jump 4. It is widely agreed upon by Melee theorycrafters that Marth has a 60-40 matchup against Fox
@PookieDaExzile7 жыл бұрын
CRAZY TALK ACT THREEEEE: REVERSE PAT SPEAKS SO MUCH TRUTH HE KILLS SMASH
@Whatevsman275 жыл бұрын
Oh he killed Smash alright
@JenkemSuperfan5 жыл бұрын
YOOOOO
@shotguncrucifix7 жыл бұрын
This video is the perfect microcosm for the Best Friends and when they're at their best. Pat is gold when he's irrationally angry about something while Matt provides colour commentary and Woolie tries to be the straight guy (but fails by laughing uncontrollably)
@StellaStarfall5 жыл бұрын
Creeden Martell Honestly, you’re super right, but at least Pat and Woolz can still make it work without Matt. #CastleSuperBeastAtLast
@LeonStephan Жыл бұрын
This is also a rare case when, while being irrationally angry, Pat also spouts right takes about the subject at hand. If you have an advantage above others for being able to execute a tech only available to you for a controller with a flaw then it's cheating.
@DiskSystems7 жыл бұрын
"Melee players have to cheat at their own game for people to take their game seriously. They disguise the bugs they exploit as “advanced tech” to trick people in to taking them seriously, but in reality they’re just glitching out a broken party game. I hope nintendo releases melee hd but they fix all of the bugs that melee players exploit and don’t release any gc controller support i want this fixed version of melee to exist to spite melee players, so they have to keep lugging their crts around to exploit bugs that nintendo fixed in the rerelease. so they have to explain to people that they can’t play melee hd because nintendo fixed the bugs they use to cheat at the old version." - captainsnoop
@ColaNerd107 жыл бұрын
DiskSystemChronicles Ah, so you are here cause of captainsnoop too
@nbshftr7 жыл бұрын
DiskSystemChronicles sakurai couldnt patch wave dashing, so a competetive community was created
@mineerthegamer6 жыл бұрын
NoobShift3r he never intended to patch it after they found it he thought it was cool and L canceling was always there even SB64 had "soft landing" which is the same thing except easier it was intended not a glitch. SF2ST is trash aswell in that case because of litterly everything. and so is third strike because... because fuck you third stroke is toooooo hard >::[[[[[
@magnumbadguy93546 жыл бұрын
This
@cameronmills35996 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS
@BasicSub7 жыл бұрын
God pat shit talking anything about melee is the greatest.
@Tuskor1307 жыл бұрын
Michael Sorondo pat shit talking anything and being right is the best
@waspennator7 жыл бұрын
Only in Melee can I hear about someone dropping out of a competition because their controller didn't have the one in a million defect that allows for a special technique to be performed easily.
@TheTriad0016 жыл бұрын
waspennator5 More like one in 50 but your point still stands.
@KarmaKins7 жыл бұрын
I need to show up to this boxing match with a gun otherwise my strategy just won't work. It's not technically cheating though because theoretically the gun won't always go off.
@malikoniousjoe6 жыл бұрын
Karma Kins It's more like the gun you brought has a zip tie around the trigger, and it is undoubtedly gonna require focus to undo it, but in the end you still brought a fucking gun to the ring.
@BlxckBaron6 жыл бұрын
a gun can be turned into a blunt weapon really fast lol
@RayOfTruth5 жыл бұрын
It's more like you brought shoes that feel really comfortable to your feet, but they make you change into itchy shoes that distract you from the match.
@ShadowStar7655 жыл бұрын
@@RayOfTruth Well nearly everyone else has to use the same pair of shoes, why should one person get to use their special shoes?
@RayOfTruth5 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowStar765 I didn't know everyone who has ever played a sport wore the same shoe size, the same shoe brand, and used the same foot arch support.
@thebigchungus45155 жыл бұрын
I can already tell Pat is gonna be happy when he hears about EVO.
@SchrodingerMil5 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know until I read your comment. GOOD.
@TheAssassin6425 жыл бұрын
What happened at Evo? Did they mention it on a future podcast?
@sandhanitizer19905 жыл бұрын
@@TheAssassin642 yeah i wanna know too
@sandhanitizer19905 жыл бұрын
@@TheAssassin642 just did some research, they took off melee from EVO
@ledzeppelinfan10015 жыл бұрын
@Brandon Munoz fuck Melee.
@343GuiltySparkO47 жыл бұрын
Pat's [CRAZY TALK] has inverted itself to the point that he's now 100% right.
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
Except taht he consntalty uses the phrase "I hate the Melee community" when he should say he hates the worst people in it. Sure maybe he MEANS that, but you don't say "I hate black people" if there are some black guys that honeslty are assholes.
@euancoyle43707 жыл бұрын
He stabbed it with the arrow to turn it into his requiem stand [ALWAYS RIGHT] Now he can never be wrong
@divan44407 жыл бұрын
ShyRanger you know youre not making the community better when you spam this in every comment chain.
@SchmittPlaythroughFR7 жыл бұрын
"And to your left you can see a rare instance of the Paticus Boivinius being right about something..." - Tour Guide Nixon, in a Zoo
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
Discrimination is discrimination.
@michaellaverty73495 жыл бұрын
Ah so that's why Melee players can't afford deodarant. They're saving the money for broken controllers?
@namelessresource57825 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@ABonafideSkeleton5 жыл бұрын
>can afford to buy rare broken controllers so they can cheat on their broken party game >can afford to travel to tournaments >can't afford to buy a cheap stick of deodorant It will never not be funny to mock the competitive Smash scene.
@lupin67414 жыл бұрын
UCF
@ChrisPoindexter983 жыл бұрын
🥴🤢 Ugh....
@bigsauce1116 Жыл бұрын
As if ghetto fgc people smell any better?
@kwedl5 жыл бұрын
Pat's 2 year long plan finally bore fruit
@ricardonelson76285 жыл бұрын
Pat knew
@ruikirisame17445 жыл бұрын
I'm out of the loop, what happened?
@supergage1025 жыл бұрын
Rui Kirisame melee wasn’t at evo
@ruikirisame17445 жыл бұрын
@@supergage102 thanks
@vinnythewebsurfer4 жыл бұрын
Heh
@Starnana7 жыл бұрын
"Melee was a mistake." - Masahiro Sakurai
@Talz6227 жыл бұрын
"False quotes are not cool" - Abraham Lincoln
@Starnana7 жыл бұрын
+yaboiTallMan "... Unless it's Starnana's false quotes." - Abraham Lincoln
@Starnana7 жыл бұрын
+yaboiTallMan "I would like to retract that statement. He is actually a nice guy once you get to know him!" - Adolf Hitler
@asdfsdfsdf51147 жыл бұрын
Starnana Guy He has never said that
@jacobe28917 жыл бұрын
Asdf Sdfsdf It's supposed to be like that Miyazaki quote, "Anime was a mistake" meme...
@Anu_Evil_Queen10 ай бұрын
Every year I come back here to listen and hate on melee players.
@MarbleVirus6 жыл бұрын
God, every now and then I come back to this video, and every time Pat calls Armada, one of the 5 big melee players, a whiny pissbaby makes me lose it, every single time
@thegoodoldays9116 жыл бұрын
I mean he's right.
@reckyt63676 жыл бұрын
Thegoodoldays but, hes not.
@Yal_Rathol6 жыл бұрын
Ashton Leinauer good talk champ. you got 'im good.
@AzureKing9635 жыл бұрын
I mean, being great at something doesn't mean you can't be a whiny pissbaby. Kanye West is a talented musician but that doesn't make him not an asshat. It makes him a very talented asshat.
@arkx81365 жыл бұрын
@@AzureKing963 being good at something doesn't excuse you to be a piece of shit, people only care he's a piss baby cause it's funny to watch him act like a child while he craddles a game that should have been dropped a long time ago
@PaperThinnGlennHall7 жыл бұрын
my favorite parts of the podcasts is where pat complaining about shit. and he actually has a point.
@Brandonious159877 жыл бұрын
TheMasterOfAllStuff No he doesn't. Pat is using a situation he doesn't understand to shit on Melee. The sad part is that if anyone on the podcast knew more about the story they could shit all over Pat being wrong.
@michaelc52797 жыл бұрын
Then how come a lot of people here are saying he's right about it? How does he not understand it? He doesn't need this as an excuse to shit on melee because he does it anyway lol
@Brandonious159877 жыл бұрын
Michael C Its really easy to not understand a situation actually. All you need to do is not research it. Never said he needed an excuse to shit on it but that is what he is doing with this issue. He is using a problem he doesn't understand to shit on a community he hates. Almost every solution Pat suggested wasn't an option. The amount of people saying he is right doesn't matter. A lot of people like Heavy Rain. Must be a good game then right? That's how facts work I guess.
@KirklandtheSecond7 жыл бұрын
Brandonious15987 Pat's not wrong though. in ANY other circumstance, having a controller that gives you access to moves that otherwise are impossible to preform with a standard functioning controller is Cheating. To finish Woolie's train of thought, a firetruck modded with an Octo-gate does not give a player new access to new abilities that couldn't be preformed on a standard square gate, which is why octo-gates are allowed.
@Brandonious159877 жыл бұрын
JeluxDaCasua No Pat's wrong. The types of remotes we are talking about do not give you access to moves that are otherwise impossible. Armada uses a remote that reduces the odds of failing at a input any remote can do. The difference is that standard GC controllers are more likely to randomly fail unlike the type of remotes Armada uses. Calling Armada a piss baby for dropping out I get, but its not cheating. I still wish someone blew up Pat on this like they did Woolie on Roger.
@GoldRaptor007 жыл бұрын
after listening to Pat be wrong/mostly incorrect for four whole months during the DaS LP, it's almost jarring to hear how goddamn right he is.
@kamon69617 жыл бұрын
DaS?
@Sora7447 жыл бұрын
The Comment Police what is DaS?
@ImaTroper7 жыл бұрын
Dark souls?
@Sora7447 жыл бұрын
Ishmael Demon Souls?
@harveyebetts37366 жыл бұрын
The Comment Police CRAZY TALK REQUIEM: PISSBABY BLUES
@RandgrisAlmark7 жыл бұрын
"My shit is busted, that makes me good." No, that makes you a Smash player.
@Percival9176 жыл бұрын
And a bad one, at that.
@BIGBLUBLUR7 жыл бұрын
Nice try, Pat, but no one can hate Melee players more than we hate ourselves.
@InsaneToats6 жыл бұрын
The sonic avatar sells it
@joeschmoe15145 жыл бұрын
BX3 how do I like a comment twice
@Flindo9115 жыл бұрын
I read this in Sonics voice
@altosforteaquax50832 жыл бұрын
as you should
@ZamboinElite7 жыл бұрын
If you need a broken controller to win, you aren't that good.
@k.-flynn5 жыл бұрын
@Lain good
@k.-flynn5 жыл бұрын
@Lain huh? Idk what you're referring to. Are you talking about a community mod to make the controller glitch, or to get fully functional first wave controllers?
@k.-flynn5 жыл бұрын
@Lain ok but is it the cheating controller or the real one, that was my question.
@comingupooo5 жыл бұрын
@Lain So you can't viably play your game at top level without controllers that only have a 1 in 50 chance of being busted just right or employing third party hacks?
@VTGN-II4 жыл бұрын
@Lain but you're missing the point, you're modifying a controller to do things it normally doesnt. That's cheating and your entire mentality is straight stupid.
@Naruxos075 жыл бұрын
This video is more relevant today than when it first released.
@Whatevsman275 жыл бұрын
Fuckin right?
@Mr_Meatbox5 жыл бұрын
If how you play your game relies on volatile broken equipment that deteriorates with every touch just to give you a slight difference then you need to reevaluate how you even think
@awkwardcultism4 жыл бұрын
So nobody should play arcade cabinets then?
@KingHalbatorix4 жыл бұрын
speedrunning old games
@SlappersOnly8194 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he's just talking about the comp games like melee. Speed running is fine because you're just breaking the game to beat it faster which is interesting.
@KingHalbatorix4 жыл бұрын
@@SlappersOnly819 using old broken shit to go fast = good using old broken shit to go fast but you're fighting another person doing the same thing = less good if you can excuse speedrunning needing broken shit to work right, then how does that not also apply to high level non-speedrunning gameplay?
@SlappersOnly8194 жыл бұрын
@@KingHalbatorix who says you need to break the game for speed running? Not all speedruns require that. Also, I have no problem with both people using glitches in fighting games to play as long as they both have access to do so. But if you need a broken ass controller to do some bullshit that nearly no one else can do without, that kinda dumb. I agree that people should be supplied with a standard controller at these tournaments.
@DJCharma7 жыл бұрын
Mew2King walks around with a duffle bag full of about 4-5 controllers. he is insane.
@furyberserk7 жыл бұрын
Didn't Bushnell once say videogames were a mistake?
@Lonequacker5 жыл бұрын
Had to give this a listen after the news that Melee is gone from EVO. The evil has been defeated.
@krizpyclips92703 жыл бұрын
The GOAT you mean? When have you seen a video game last so long without remakes and updates and having the most active players on it out of it's era?.. Never, only SuPER SMASH BROS. Melee has.
@anthonychessar71792 жыл бұрын
You're definitely overexagerating. There are plenty of older games with long lasting communities, Melee ain't special. Which is why I'm glad that inferior game is done being in the spotlight so that the shite community can dwindle and die off. RIP IN SHIT MELEE!
@dreadburnz35222 жыл бұрын
@@krizpyclips9270 So?
@bigsauce1116 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how much it bothers people that melee is still popular. It's laughable. Melee is literally the video game equivalent of the n word. The more it triggers people, the more people will play it lmao
@nowonprzn74427 жыл бұрын
as a smash player i agree armada dropping out a whole tournament cause a controller is ridiculous as leffen said if u care that much about a controller why don't u have a spare
@RenzoShadow Жыл бұрын
It's funny how the situation has gotten even worse with controllers now that modding them has become openly "accepted". You can actually tell who is playing with a modded controller nowadays plus top players are openly commenting now how it is actually unfair at this point and is essentially cheating like sbfp concluded. At this point all top players use some form of modification that makes execution of a number of skills far easier and more consistent than a fresh controller out of the box.
@alexhernandez12167 жыл бұрын
hearing him say piss baby cries because he cant cheat makes me laugh everytime for some reason
@SMTensei5 жыл бұрын
Pat must be having a fucking field day right now.
@ABonafideSkeleton5 жыл бұрын
>acts holier than thou to all the other Smash players >insists their broken party game that's riddled with bugs is a real fighting game >has 5 no-lifers who kick all the newer players out of tournies early on >the only way to have a competitive edge is to cheat >pro players throw hissy fits and shit themselves when they can't cheat And people wonder why Melee is the whipping boy of the FGC.
@krasmazov0097 жыл бұрын
Yall are mad because Pat is right
@FiveTiger7 ай бұрын
You're not really a Mario64 speedrunner unless your console is in space to maximize the chance of cosmic rays affecting the RAM
@takashi01005 жыл бұрын
GUESS WHO AIN'T AT EVO ANYMORE?
@TyRiders25 жыл бұрын
CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES, COME ON!!!
@awesometown10005 жыл бұрын
🦀🦀🦀🦀 MELEE IS GONE 🦀🦀🦀
@obamawasreal02644 жыл бұрын
Evo
@lilsoonerfaninmo4 жыл бұрын
And guess who replaced it? We live in the perfect timeline
@CaptainDemo7795 жыл бұрын
You ever notice how whenever we got into these kinda stories, Matt suddenly got so quiet we forgot he was there??
@purplelemondoesstuff30444 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Matt had always been quiet on the podcast.
@josora1654 Жыл бұрын
He always played the part of a mediator to be fair. In the middle of an unstoppable force and an immovable object
@GabeSweetMan7 жыл бұрын
Pat: Trust me, I think a LOT about the fuckin' mentality of cheating because I LOVE it! Woolie: Hm.... I love that Woolie has no comeback for that. Pat's status of god-tier piss-baby cheating scumbag makes him an authority of piss-baby cheating by piss-baby cheaters.
@SlurgDurgler7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with Pat
@werewolf8736 жыл бұрын
You know what i love about these comments? Not a single melee player is making an argument against what they are saying, it's all just ad hominim and apologetics
@comingupooo5 жыл бұрын
And allegations of all of us being racist towards Melee players. Don't forget that.
@GoronsCave5 жыл бұрын
first he says about the busted controller, that is because sakurai REFUSES to let outside patches and quality of life changes to the game like 20XX to be implemented at EVO so they have to use busted controllers because of an underlining issue with the control scheme that sakurai knows exists but won't fix , so how do you fix something that shouldn't be broken in the first place? you find a way around it second he talks about "that's like showing up to a street fighter tourny with cabinets and you refuse to play with what they have and demand a hitbox to be installed" in fact this does happen and in team tournys the changing of the cabinet controllers are aloud because people have diff preferences, it's common and the fact that he doesn't know about this blows my mind because he says he knows so much about the FGC
@GoronsCave5 жыл бұрын
@@mylesbissessar8450 to fix the game, he rushed it and it took 6 months to make, rushed it to get it out for the game cube release. Patches were needed to fix it in which he did do (PAL vs NTSC) if you bought a game and couldn't control your character due to the game being rushed out wouldn't you ask for the game to be fixed?
@comingupooo5 жыл бұрын
@@GoronsCave Guess what idiot? There've been 3 Smash Bros games since Melee. You want a better version of Smash, go play one of them. Oh wait, but then you can't use the glitches and exploits you claim to be "tech". God, Pat's fucking right, you guys are a bunch of whiny entitled pissbabies.
@MurlocHomes5 жыл бұрын
@@comingupooo Did you know combos were originally a glitch? Now a staple mechanic, if they removed combos from future Street Fighter games would that make them better? We don't always wanna play the other smash games because we are limited in our options to just about everything, including movement relative to melee.
@mailmanwilly2 жыл бұрын
Came here after seeing that Big House tweet. Impressive how the Smash community has not matured since this rant.
@JeedyJay7 жыл бұрын
I know we've been over the "why didn't he have a backup controller?" question, but what I want to know is... if that Magus's(?) fix code is explicitly listed as a viable alternative, _why don't they just use that?_ These stories never get into that, and yet they keep specifying, "if we _don't_ use this patch that we clearly know about, only 1-in-50 controllers will be useable for this technique!"
@hypeknight82567 жыл бұрын
That would require playing Melee on Dolphin, an emulator on PC and buying completely new hardware for 120hz monitors (if we take the "Faster Melee" route). As of right now, Melee has almost no money for a hardware infrastructure change, and most importantly, it would possibly sever the minuscule ties and support from Nintendo we've desperately worked to get since MLG dropped Melee. Despite how useless I believe Nintendo's sponsorship for most major Smash tournaments have been (mostly paperwork for rights to stream the game and sometimes Nintendo Switch Demos at Smash events), its a sign of progress for the community. Nintendo would surely refuse to sponsor events based upon downloaded and or ripped copies of the game.
@JeedyJay7 жыл бұрын
They are _already_ accused of those things. This "only 1-in-50 controllers will do" is going to attract (and is attracting) more ridicule than using a patch will. Cedric's reply makes more sense, but is still highlights the source of the problem being a small clan of players that are unwilling to accept how niche they've become.
@liruzt7 жыл бұрын
It's a code, it can be used on Wiis (and GCs), probably with TE loading via the memory card. 120hz monitors are also only necessary for online play (and not even that, it only allows you to play lag free from a further distance).
@Brandonious159877 жыл бұрын
Jeedy Jay A small clan of players being unwilling to highlight how niche they've become isn't a problem for Melee. The community is still growing.
@RawkLobstah887 жыл бұрын
Brandonious15987 Except it isn't. The requirements of "You need to play on a Gamecube", "You need to play on this controller", "You need to use this TV", etc., which require setups made with products that are not made anymore, and the overall negative light the community has within the rest of the FGC, not to mention the repeated negative news we hear about Smash players (IE, booing Xrd players because the tournament took too long, allegations of sexual harassment, etc.) only serve to push people away instead of draw them in. Look, I love playing Smash, it's a very fun game, but even from the outside, the Smash community is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, and I personally have absolutely no interest of interacting with it in any way because of the overall toxicity that it exudes. Refusing to acknowledge that, to me, is just being a part of the problem. I have noticed that a few TOs are trying to get things cleaned up by making the players follow basic rules like "Clean up if you leave a mess" and "Don't throw controllers", things that should be common sense, but shit like this, when your #1 player decides that if he can't have things his way, he's going to take his ball and go home, only makes the community look more childish and worse overall.
@CsarPetertheGreat7 жыл бұрын
Y'know, I'd be down with saying the tourneys provide gear. But 9/10 melee groups can't afford or don't have a venue with a million CRTs or whatnot. Wait, so melee would die out faster. DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
@dvdblock45227 жыл бұрын
smh
@lupinektj20026 жыл бұрын
I mean, if we had support from nintendo it'd prolly be fine. We don't. So I guess we'll just have to keep using what we have been for 17 years.
@comingupooo5 жыл бұрын
@@lupinektj2002 "Why won't Nintendo support the extraordinarily niche competitive community of this nearly 20 year old game that has had 3 releases over the past 17 years?"
@lupinektj20025 жыл бұрын
@@comingupooo It has so much financial potential. The fact that its still a scene even without Nintendo's support shows that with Nintendo's help it'd be even greater. Rerelease melee, or Melee HD, huge amount of money right there. Port it to the switch, make more gamecube controllers. It also seems that none of the other 3 releases have the staying power. You don't have to innovate with Melee, whereas they tried to slow it down with brawl to amazing failure. Then smash 4 was better excluding DLC to win with Bayo and Cloud. Ultimate might have the ability to stick around for a little longer than both of those games combined by taking some aspects from melee. It's not free of issues though. New game, Melee could die, chances are slim. TLDR Melee's working, where Brawl and 4 kinda dropped off. They can easily do melee again, and call it meleeHD. Make a large stake in the highly profitable competitive market without having to innovate. eventually roll out very small patches to the game, slowly trickle in new characters, fix some game breaking bugs.
@Anarchic19895 жыл бұрын
@@lupinektj2002 No it doesn't, stop lying to yourself. Melee is a dead game that has been milked by an insane fanbase who refuses to move on and because of this they think they're important at evo. No one cares about Melee other than this small, niche, fanbase. Fighterz became the most viewd game at evo in it's history while melee just had a bunch of losers break and exploit their game to make it look cool. Like really? A guy quits a tourny because his controller wasn't broken enough to consistently break the game with? Oh wait my bad "play" the game with? Everyone in the fgc looks at melee like a joke, it's not even a damn fighting game and you guy's insist on putting on the same pedestal as Sf, Tekken, Fighterz, Blaz blue, guilty gear, etc. What Pat said was absolutely correct (for once) this games fanbase is a cult, only a cult would bitch and moan about other games that came out after because they're not exploitable enough, so instead of adapting you play melee. That's what the root of this problem is, you losers spent nearly 18 years breaking this game and fucking up your hands and because of this you refuse to play the other games because you don't want to learn the newer, less broken mechanics. Basically my thesis is this; you melee players REALLY do stink, and should get out of your basement and experience something else in life and actually try to have FUN.
@AbuOmar5 жыл бұрын
I knew the SBFP brethren would come back to this video today hehe.. *salutes*
@magnumbadguy93545 жыл бұрын
🦀🦀🦀MELEE IS GONE🦀🦀🦀
@nbshftr7 жыл бұрын
Streetfighter's combo system was originally not intended, and the devs expanded on that, wavedashing was unintended and the devs abandoned that.
@AlquimistEd6 жыл бұрын
wavedashing was actually discovered during development stages and they decided to keep it there.
@ew275x6 жыл бұрын
VirgateSpy Yeah but it's more "Like, oh, that's weird. Shouldn't affect the game too much." when they discovered it. Sakurai seeing it widen the skill gap too much for his liking is why he removed it.
@Artaneius6 жыл бұрын
And he should of removed it. Casual gamers right to have fun is more important than competitive gamers. We are the majority you no life losers better bow down to us.
@danielmaster87765 жыл бұрын
Artaneius Wavedashing is for fighting games that don't care about their casual audience. Casuals like to have tournaments too, you know. So if there's even 1 or 2 guys who know how to wavedash better than everyone else, or they're the only ones who know how to, the tourney winner is basically already decided before the first match is fought.
@manzanito36525 жыл бұрын
@@Artaneius Asuming that wavedashing cannot be fun in a casual match.
@WTFisTingispingis6 жыл бұрын
I find it hilarious KZbin gave me "Pat hates Melee" "Pat hates Superman" and to top it off "Pat hates getting shot." Good job, KZbin.
@sandmaneyes7 жыл бұрын
I used to visit Smashboards a lot, so listening to someone trash the sacred cow of that place is both shocking and refreshing.
@metaturnabout92595 жыл бұрын
Listened to this 2 years ago. Back then I went “pat is fucking stupid”. Now I’m like “melee is fucking stupid”
@johnmoya76542 жыл бұрын
12:39 *“Trust me, I think a lot about the fucking mentality of cheating. Because I LOVE it!”* Is such an underrated line 😂😂
@HCSR25 жыл бұрын
Rare footage of Pat actually right.
@ChadMyLife925 жыл бұрын
The day this podcast was made was the day Crazy Talk was pierced by the requiem arrow and unlocked Crazy Talk Requiem. Thus giving him the ability to be completely right in every sense of the word for 20 minutes straight and he used that time to shit on the melee competitive scene and the pissbabies in it. He used his time in the most productive way possible.
@obamawasreal02644 жыл бұрын
To bad we'll never see that
@dianatheascian87015 жыл бұрын
So the SBF died in order to kill melee?
@StellaStarfall5 жыл бұрын
Luna Rose Worth it, Woolie and Pat have established Castle SuperBeast from it.
@slowcookerhomeplanet4 жыл бұрын
Melee still alive
@TastyChurro4 жыл бұрын
@@slowcookerhomeplanet the community is dying from those recent events. That's a win.
@slowcookerhomeplanet4 жыл бұрын
@@TastyChurro melee is doing great rn with rollback also most of the hit from the community has hit smash ult not melee
@giloguy1013 жыл бұрын
Aaaand now Nintendo decided to deliver melee a swift kick to the nads
@Toshi-vu1hh5 жыл бұрын
Any competitive game-"You all use standard controllers so everything is fair and no one has any edge." Melee-"I NEED MY SPECIAL CONTROLLER TO DO MY BUG 'TECHNIQUES' THAT ARE ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE!"
@Dingalow3 ай бұрын
7 years later and he's still right
@blueblazer99917 жыл бұрын
Play Smash however you want,but please don't pretend it was intended for competitive play,it was explicitly not You are turning off 80% of game content and breaking and bending the game into a competitive format Smash characters are balanced for all the ingame modes and minigames not for competitive And I agree with Pat 100%,if you can't win with standard equipment for a competition,unless it's purely cosmetic,you don't deserve to win Even if it is just an os,if the other people can't do it with a normal controller,it's cheating
@MrHebee17 жыл бұрын
No one said that smash was intended by Sakurai for competitive play. Also every gamecube controller can backdash, its just some do it better than others. So, Armada wasn't looking for a controller that can do a technique other controllers can't do, he was looking for a controller that could more consistently do that technique. Whether that controller can consistently back dash or not is completely random out of the box. It is completely out of a players control. If your oppontent happened to order a controller online that turned out to be better than yours, you're at a disadvantage.
@GeneralErlend7 жыл бұрын
BlueBlazer While I agree mostly with your statement, I think you are misunderstanding something. There are no longer any "standard" equipment (controllers) for Melee. Every controller these days are and feels different when playing the game. If you can point to a gamecube controller and say "this one is standard, everyone should use it", then fine. However, this simply isn't possible. And while Smash was never intended for competitive play, the first two just happened to be competitive viable (and for the most part pretty darn good ones at that, aside from the obvious inconsistent character balance past the top characters). Also, I'm pretty sure everyone has enjoyed the game's content to its fullest. At some point though, you are going to get bored, so you can choose to either take a break, move on, or do something different (like playing competitively, making speedruns, whatever you want to do).
@garretmontgomery1867 жыл бұрын
,
@Brandonious159877 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter if Smash was intended for competitive play but otherwise you have a point.
@josephpolk96607 жыл бұрын
Also, by the logic of "removing game content" to play competitively, wouldn't that mean that USF4, GGXX, and any traditional fighter with any casual content that is available in versus mode would be "removed" for the sake of competitive play (Edition select for USF4 and GGXXAC+R, and EX and Gold characters are removed from GGXX, Unlimited characters would be removed from BlazBlue, and the Extra Menu would be removed from GGXX, all for the sake of competitive play). Also saying Smash shouldn't be played competitively because all of the characters are balanced for the casual modes is actually stupid (because some characters are better than others for the other modes too ie. Jigglypuff would be extremely easy to kill if you land a bombomb or a instakilling Pokemon on her, and Samus can crouch cancel and survive to extremely high percents).
@Cootsy5 жыл бұрын
This is gospel to me. I come back here every few months with some cheese and wine.
@Shadic41015 жыл бұрын
I'm not playing this football game unless I have my special football I can't play this basketball game unless we're playing on my personal court I need my special racket with all these crazy modifications to play tennis
@awesometown10005 жыл бұрын
I’m not playing baseball unless I have my cork bat
@francescolombardi34384 жыл бұрын
I'm not playing Cee-Lo unless it's with my alien dice
@FYGUnkleUrple Жыл бұрын
In the current climate of the hitbox/cheatbox debate, I’m happy to stumble across this again.
@cicerograndeurity31397 жыл бұрын
dunno if it's been mentioned, but GC controllers are still being produced, especially since smash bros for the WiiU (GC adapter) was released.
@kleetin12926 жыл бұрын
super late reply, but I think he was talking about the original GC controllers that have the defect not being produced anymore.
@NovaBombardment29 күн бұрын
My brothers and I argued too much while playing Melee, so our Mom got mad at us and SOLD OUR GAMECUBE. How blessed we were to have a mother that could see the damage that Melee would have done. We would still be children to this day.
@KafeiAle6 жыл бұрын
Pat was right btw, Woolie kept giving examples of different brands of fighting sticks working differently, but in this case we're talking the same exact product with a defect, it's not a case of selecting one brand over another.
@danganronper62785 жыл бұрын
re-watching this to pay my respects for Melee being out of EVO 2019
@spencerl98977 жыл бұрын
I fuckin love Melee but I was crying with laughter during this
@adams3627 Жыл бұрын
It's like a tool-assisted speedrunner demanding to have their times listed with speedrunners using no outside assists. Sure, his times are faster, and they're the results of techniques other speedrunners probably couldn't do even if you gave them the same tools, but when there are skills or techniques hard-stuck behind tools, mods, or broken controllers, it's a fundamentally different class of play.
@canadanionerdo54347 жыл бұрын
Pat rage over 9000,Whoille meh,Mat,what wait what's going
@HippoMustache7 жыл бұрын
Wow, Pat couldn't be even more right hearing him talk about this. Still the most based best friend.
@donovanpereida9247 жыл бұрын
Most of us in the community think the same way
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
That's why I hate when Pat talks about it. He says he hates the Melee communiy when he should mean he hates the worst people in the community. I'm sure that's what he MEANS, but he doesn't say it. He might as well say he hates the black community.
@mattallison53757 жыл бұрын
Donovan Pereida you've commented this at least twice, now i know for sure that you hate african americans (maybe african-canadians).
@divan44407 жыл бұрын
ShyRanger if the competitive melee community was so good why dont they do the same thing as pat? call these fuckers out with those broken controllers and ban them from tournaments no matter who it is. otherwise you will get lumped together.
@JeedyJay7 жыл бұрын
You are commenting on a chain started by a guy from the melee community doing exactly that, DiVan.
@ShyRanger7 жыл бұрын
Jeedy Jay is right, the only reason SBFs ARE talking about this is because they found people TALKING about it.
@MayyroMusic7 жыл бұрын
The people saying in the comments that the majority of Melee players aren't like this baffle me. I'm a 64 player, I mod the game extensively. I get melee players coming to me constantly asking me to make the game more like melee, PM64 this, make wavedashing that. Any time I tell them no, I have no interest in doing that nor does any other 64 modder, they become an obnoxious pissbaby and make fun of me, saying this is why nobody likes 64. Fuck Melee, and its community. If you can't respect me, why should I be forced to respect you or risk having my game banned from Multi game smash tourneys because you need more fucking doubles timeslots?
@mineerthegamer6 жыл бұрын
Mayyro I'm deeply sorry my brethren were big piss babies over you not demaking melee in the 64 engine (which would fucking ruin 64s awesome fucking combo game). but I would like to ask if it's finally possible to really add new characters I wouldn't mind seeing a few new faces to mash in with my 64 falcon combos.
@Hieratic_Manny6 жыл бұрын
Wow I've never heard of modded 64, like mineerthegamer said sorry for fellow melee players being dicks, I love and play melee, and I have a lot of respect for 64. I can't play it as often as I'd hoped but it's really fun to watch
@awesometown10005 жыл бұрын
As a huge Ultimate fan, I feel this. Melee fans do nothing but talk shit about other Smash games and then complain when the other Smash fans dislike them. It’s fucking stupid.
@PolythenePam04514 жыл бұрын
Mabye the real fighting game was the friends we made along the way.
@marcellosilva92865 жыл бұрын
Seeing people get salty about this two year-old video gives me more power.
@AgentOracle5 жыл бұрын
Angey comments uploaded here Daily!
@frogery5 жыл бұрын
it's gonna be a good EVO boys
@SamuraiChamploo6545 жыл бұрын
Melee is not at EVO this year so Pat is probably happy right now.
@bladeexe5 жыл бұрын
Pat wins!
@cormacmccloppy10717 жыл бұрын
Melee is a great fun time with friends, and that's all it's supposed to be.
@AlquimistEd6 жыл бұрын
Blaack Sugar A panda bear fighting a wooden doll fighting a guy with a jaguar head.
@NovaBombardment3 күн бұрын
I absolutely LOVE the painful silence after Pat's statement at 9:54, because it's the moment he won the argument, and nobody had any response. The only reason it ended is because Pat broke the silence himself.
@hathejoker7 жыл бұрын
The problem with Melee, that I see, is that it was not designed to be a competitive fighting game. As a party game, Melee is pretty good. As a fighting game, Melee is pretty mediocre.
@dvdblock45227 жыл бұрын
lol
@Mr_Meatbox5 жыл бұрын
Pat is extremely right
@fake._6 жыл бұрын
Lol salty Melee dislikes
@BorikeTheBlackDragon7 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I wonder if the smash reddit has been here. Something tells me they were
@Gojiro72 жыл бұрын
when Pat says "you should not talk when you do that" when woolie is fixing his microphone, you can hear it in his voice that he's so worked up over Melee he's letting out his true judgmental tone out on Woolie for something small and petty.
@GelatinPangolinАй бұрын
jamie hyneman ass moment from pat
@cranktherider43022 жыл бұрын
Back here again after the Hungrypox Incident
@Zcumgod6 жыл бұрын
Pat is so right that its causing me to fade away from this plane of existence
@liruzt7 жыл бұрын
In short, when dashing your controller has to pass the "walk" area of the joystick, when dashing forward you have a 2 frame leeway window where it ignores the walk input if the input on the next frame is a dash input. However this does not exist on backdash, the window is only 1 frame (programming oversight i guess) meaning if the game reads your joystick just as it passes the walk area it will do a slow turn (5-9 frames depending on character) and then start dashing. Normal controllers have around 75 & success rate doing dashback while the busted controllers have up towards 95 % success rate. 4 extra frames might not sound that much but since tilts and such changes moves you can accidentally do a completely different move in a different place than what you intended, for no fault of your own. Since you never know if your dashback is gonna work or not it makes them risky to use (but also an integral part of the game), and missing a dashback at high level could basically kill you (since top player punish game is so advanced). The workaround is to be frame perfect whenever you want to dashback, since if you dashback on the first available frame after you have had lag (from like, attacking) this "bug" can't happen. This is also inconsistent, not to mention sometimes you don't always want to dashback immediately.
@comingupooo6 жыл бұрын
...or you can play a real fighting game.
@whirlysquirrely33682 жыл бұрын
This aged pretty well
@J_Themborn7 жыл бұрын
This is the mentality for every fan base of Nintendo games "how dare you not play in this specific self imposing restrictive way!"
@mariofan1ish6 жыл бұрын
It works both ways, too. Play competitive, everyone tells you you're taking it too seriously and you should 'just have fun' (completely missing the reason people play competitive at all), and if you play casual, everyone tells you that you suck and should go play another game. PvP games in general are a bloody mess and I haven't enjoyed one in a good long while almost entirely because of their terrible communities.
@CoolRobbit6 жыл бұрын
Nintendo was ahead of their time when they decided to not implement voice/text chat in their online games. They knew what was gonna happen.
@ARMIV45 жыл бұрын
Pat isn't right all the time, but when he is right he is very right.
@mattrusso646 жыл бұрын
As a melee player myself, I just want to say that i do agree with pat even though I’m part of the community. A lot of people can be toxic in the community but I understand where he’s coming from. If u can’t play at the same level as everyone else, then you don’t deserve to win EVO.
@alucardyoici7 жыл бұрын
they ask for union and vacation of tournament for their ranking but they will give up a tournament if they don't have their controllers?
@RustyMailboxPro7 жыл бұрын
Smash is not a competitive fighting game. It's a party game. Deal with it.
@AlquimistEd6 жыл бұрын
but it is
@susanaalmeida5936 жыл бұрын
Can't it be both?
@igelfullmetal13076 жыл бұрын
I play both Splatoon and Pokemon semi casually, but both games have active competitive communities.
@RayOfTruth5 жыл бұрын
You must also think that because Mario Kart is a party game that it is not also a racing game. Games can have multiple genres.
@maximutatro31765 жыл бұрын
Its a competitive party game. Which means its a party game but u get mad at ur friends
@weaponxx94676 жыл бұрын
Just a note, when I went to type "melee players crying and punching walls" into the KZbin search bar, it came up "melee players crying" before I even finished typing "players". I think I got to "p". That was awesome.
@scythenstetson6 жыл бұрын
For me "melee players crying" comes up positioned first in the search bar literally as soon as I type the M. I don't even watch much Smash stuff.
@MechaKaito5 жыл бұрын
I got up to three letters in Melee players crying
@SkyCladBrent7 жыл бұрын
I have never related to someone on a podcast more than I do with Pat and his constant shitting on melee
@demonicdude13285 жыл бұрын
Like it or not, he speaks the truth.
@isaacsussman56324 жыл бұрын
Smash players in general seem to be allergic to the concept of being treated like a real fighting game. Everyone else is expected to standardise thier ruleset without the ability to fuck with it. Everyone else is expected to move to the new game in the franchise no matter how deep the previous was (otherwise Third strike, MvC2 and GGXX would be the current lineup). If smash cant handle that shit then they gotta get the fuck out of the fgc.
@Anu_Evil_Queen4 жыл бұрын
This segment gets better every year and with every bit of news from competitive smash.
@hawke74716 жыл бұрын
Look, I agree with Pat. However, I am one of those Melee fans that just plays the game purely for fun. Competitive Melee sucks, but Melee itself is good
@Anarchic19895 жыл бұрын
I respect you, because yes it's supposed to be played for FUN, And yet people in the community insist on ruining it and breaking it. When you play with these guys at home, NO ONE has fun.
@wistfulanthophila93172 жыл бұрын
late as fuck comment but he says in the video melee isn't a trash game the players are
@hawke74712 жыл бұрын
@@wistfulanthophila9317 It's never too late to be right, friend.
@wistfulanthophila93172 жыл бұрын
i agree with the sentiment as well, i think the competitive ruleset goes completely against how the game was meant to be played. Not even mentioning how annoying the people who keep it going are. That being said, on it's own I think melee is really fun especially with friends but honestly in that department there's not much reason to play it over the later games which generally have more to do.
@FunM0nkey6 жыл бұрын
I remember listening to this for the first time and thinking it wasnt a big deal, and that this was like an uncommon event that happened. Then i heard someone came up with a mod to make the most recent smash play like melee, and then I realized that no, the melee community (not all of it) is literally a bunch of pissbabies not able to grow up from how they played a game, and have to make the experience shitty for everyone else
@Anarchic19895 жыл бұрын
They are already making a mod for Ultimate after THE FIRST MONTH, to make it more like melee even though Ultimate is the fastest game since Melee and has Melee inspired mechanics; yet these smelly losers insist on changing it to make it more like Melee.
@juniorjunior58843 жыл бұрын
@@Anarchic1989 Wow, fuck those guys.
@awsomeDualshock7 жыл бұрын
Whether or not you like Smash: Pat is 100% right.
@EmeraldZion7 жыл бұрын
Bakatyler and maybe about %75 uninformed.
@awsomeDualshock7 жыл бұрын
But still right
@KingGhidorah54644 жыл бұрын
"Then you didn't deserve to win EVO." 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱