Kill Team Equipment Guide and Review

[@nodin9439]

I can see stun grenades being very good against 2APL teams, especially if you play stuff that can also affect APL such as the Shrivetalon or the slaanesh firefight ploy from the legionary team.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah stuns are so good now

[@DoofExMachina]

These 5"-move Hierotek guys virtually laughed at my 5"-move Gellerpox-es using Stun and Barb Wire when we tried it

[@nickrafuse984]

I'm at one minute in, and I bet you say this later but... Maybe equipment is in the dossier so they can change it every season without having to errata their rules.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Maybe, it's possible

[@tiberiumnp8030]

5:00 are we paying now 2” climb to go over light barricades?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup, always did

[@tiberiumnp8030]

@@CanYouRollaCrit so barbed wire is basically the same then but without providing cover. And without “traversable” light barricades can be a bit more annoying to cross than before, since it used to be just a 2” movement tax but now requires a climb

[@OlafKievit]

Thanks! Still confused about one thing: if you select "light barricades", you take two, but there are only two in the set, I think? So if both sides want light barricades, you rely on one player already having a set from V2.0? In most cases that'd be true, but still... Everything else seems to be in the set twice...

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah just unfortunate for light barricades

[@notevenmadbro]

We’ve got the same problem for ladders too

[@tiberiumnp8030]

I noticed the new set lacks enough of Concealed token as well. Have to supplement with the old stuff…

[@rosspowell4446]

This actually starts to make bheta decima enjoyable to play which is sort of weird

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah it's a nice surprise

[@honeybadgerking1160]

I think the universal equipment is great, I feel they gave missed a trick with some of the faction specific equipment like Yaegirs, the plasma knives are ok but only 3 ATK dice, the undersuit is useful sometimes, but the two shotgun ones are rubbish. So it’s good the universal equipment is decent as some teams like Yaegirs will regularly be using 2-3 pieces.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah universal is so good, some faction stuff is just weird

[@MercenaryQ]

Im not sure i like having all that extra equipment to haul around. It makes it harder to start as a newbie as well incur a extra costs

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah that's the only annoying thing, trying to find a small case for them atm

[@Randobar]

You can always just use the token. But it looks great

[@MercenaryQ]

@@Randobar I don't think you can for some like the ladder or the barriers

[@EngineofAnger]

A good way to carry the excess stuff is a tackle box tokens, bits, and some terrain.

[@sarmism]

It’s struck me that I can’t find rules to prevent door blocking not only with razor wire but with all other barricades on Gallowdark and open. Is this something that’s doable or have a missed a line of rules somewhere?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They forgot to put that in lol

[@sarmism]

@@CanYouRollaCrit seriously?? So is an FAQ likely do you reckon?

[@roberte1236]

First of all you do a fantastic job. Thx for your awesome work. I have a question about the smoke genade. If i place the smoke in the basement of a terrain. Do the smoke go trough the ceiling? So the effect works on the upper floor?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No, you have to be within range of the smoke marker, no longer infinite height

[@roberte1236]

@CanYouRollaCrit ty nice to know. May can i ask you where you get this information? I cant find this in the actual rules.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

@roberte1236 under core rules when measuring from markers (:

[@Raptor0256]

i would have liked to see razor wire and ladders gain more distance on the killzone, maybe 3-4" from the opponents drop zone. more opportunity to set up advantageous vantage points or block off rapid movement through their own territory

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah then they'd be broken

[@v.y.o.]

Regarding razor wire: So even though this is terrain and is not Insignificant you don't have to climb over? crossing isn't really a keyword so RAW this would add another 2" for a Climb. Needs an FAQ imo

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah I believe it is getting an FAQ

[@aligaterr5137]

I believe it is intended to slow movement by 2" and you can't end in it, no climbing present

[@v.y.o.]

@@aligaterr5137 The intent is pretty obvious, but you have to actually argue against the letter of the rules which is not great in a competitive game like Kill Team

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

RAI yes but RAW you have to climb it atm

[@ObsceneSuperMatt]

Yes very odd, whether you have to pay the 2" climb if you cross over any part of the model itself, since as well its effect covers a 4" gap, if any part of your model passes within 1" you have to pay the 2". Needs a diagram with the FAQ; does going along it length-wise within 1" count as "crossing"?

[@alviba85]

Liking the new edition!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Same, me too! It's great!

[@andrewmorris550]

So which ones of these need an actual physical model vs being possibly/best used as a token? Barbed wire, the various barricades, ladders?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

What you need physical models for: Ladders, Heavy Barricades, Light Barricades, Portable Barricades, Minefield, Razor Wire (:

[@andrewmorris550]

@@CanYouRollaCrit perfect thanks!

[@andanotherthing6687]

Feels like every player needs a full set of every item.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

@andanotherthing6687 yup they do basically

[@HB2K-h8m]

Having to pay £27 for like one sprue of little plastic ladders is my main barrier to playing 3rd edition. I've so much other stuff to get and having to buy that box annoys me so much 😂😂

[@vespasandengines]

How’s the smoke grenade work area wise? If it’s 1” basically only one operative can hide behind it? Or it’s 1”from the centre of the marker (creating the same 2” circle?)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Can fit 2 32mm based operatives (:

[@vespasandengines]

@@CanYouRollaCrit still confused

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

You never measure from the centre of markers now, only the edge

[@vespasandengines]

@@CanYouRollaCrit ah got it… for the smoke marker, are we talking about the new 3D one or a round cardboard one?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

You use the card tokens for smoke (:

[@jakereade30]

Are these items represented on the token sheet? And if you get the upgrade pack can you get rid of the equipment tokens??

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Tokens represent most stuff sans the barricades etc

[@mali5698]

No where can I at all find is if there is any kind of limit as to how much equipment a Kill-Team can take, either in the previews, or the downloadable rules. Can a Kill-Team just take one of everything or is there a set limit placed in some obscure corner somewhere?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's in the approved ops rules, the competitive rules set for kill team

[@Jean_Paul-j2d]

I have a question for ladders. Could I use some token for them or there is need to use 3D model? Because I dont know what is utility of those "closed" ladders (the tiny ones),

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

You need to use the physical ladders, tokens don't work

[@v.y.o.]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Why don't tokens work? The collapsed ladder is basically a token anyway

[@jasonirwin4799]

If my opponent wanted to use a token, knowing how tall the standard ladder is, I'd allow it. YMMV, and of course check with your TO at any event.

[@Nugg3t94]

Me and a friend split a box of equipment, we took 1 open 1 closed ladder each, I don't think opponents would have an issue with this...

[@collegeoffoliage6776]

Can you drop the smoke grenade under your own base? Otherwise only 25mm based models can drop smoke and be fully within

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah you can, a smoke can hold 3 32mm base models

[@berzebub314]

What exactly is that "Support" from comms device is that a key word on operative?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's a keyword for certain actions

[@jamiew2574]

How many packs would you need for just 2 players? Would you need a pack per person? Or is just 1 enough?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

You need 1 for each imo

[@jamiew2574]

@ awesome thanks!

[@jakesulpice2792]

is the ‘barbed wire’ also a measure from a point in space equipment or is it a physical shape on the board like a barricade?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's the physical model

[@jakesulpice2792]

@@CanYouRollaCrit thanks!

[@Moonenvoy93]

I think this is going to clutter the board and then it’s gonna make moving pieces a pain. How many times have you seen a terrain bump?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's not that much. Generally people are taking 2 ladders or a barricade so similar to last edition with its barricades

[@Moonenvoy93]

@@CanYouRollaCrit that doesn't sound too bad but many table bumps have screwed up barricade placement, specially on beta decima. Had a barricade fall from the top point hit a mandrake who tumbled into my aquila which ate floor and snapped. I fixed it made it more durable, but you could hear a pen drop in that room when it happened.

[@vanJJTB]

@@Moonenvoy93 if it happens often, just use some blutack to stick down equioppment/terrain. it does not damage the cardboard map or paintjobs, if you remove it after play and dont let it stick for weeks.

[@vanJJTB]

@@Moonenvoy93 plus: the new barricades are much less likely to tip over, since they got little feet added to the model

[@Moonenvoy93]

@vanJJTB After playing the new system, i noticed that I also noticed that most people just use krack grenades and ladders, which have not caused too much fuss. And if their faction equipment is good, then their are none of these, so the board actually gets less chaotic, then last edition.

[@JeremyRobertOrtiz]

KT3.0 Ladder Question. How far can you climb? Ladders say this: "Once per action, whenever an operative is climbing this terrain feature, treat the vertical distance as 1"." it doesn't say how far you can climb, can you climb unlimited up a terrain Feature? Should we be using the Universal equipment and look at the ladder itself, unfortunately the latter comes in 2 sizes: 95mm and 20mm so using the provided model doesn't really clarify. As far as I can tell, its an abstraction and an operative can use the ladder to climb any distance once for 1" of movement. However my gut says that could get Weird. If there is a thread on this topic please link it. I have not been able to find anything on this subject. Thanks

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Should use the 95mm ladder. That's how far you can climb with it

[@JeremyRobertOrtiz]

@@CanYouRollaCrit additionally it doesn't say that you have to be within control range of the ladder. So does that mean the entire terrain feature gets the benefit of a ladder up to 95 mm?

[@KingGale]

@@JeremyRobertOrtiz I think for this specific instance, you use the climb rules, which do specify that you need to be within 1" of anything to climb it. The ladders just change the vertical distance you can go, but otherwise the rules for climb apply.

[@JeremyRobertOrtiz]

@@KingGale Yes what I didn't realize was that the ladder itself counts as terrain. I thought it modified the existing terrain.

[@templargfx]

I dont get smoke grenades. its 1" wide and only gives you an advantage if your 'wholly within' that one inch. I dont know of any unit in KT that has a base less than 1" in diameter so I cannot see how anyone would get any use from it

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's 1 inch wide from a 20mm marker, you can fit 3 32mm bases inside it

[@templargfx]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Where did you read this information about a 20mm marker? I dont see any mention of that in the download for universal equipment. Is it in the core rules, but not the equipment downloadable?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

@templargfx it's in the core rules (:

[@templargfx]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thank you for the clarification!

[@EvLmongoose]

Im looking to kitbash some of the equipment. What are card token sizes for these?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

All card tokens are 20mm

[@EvLmongoose]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Awesome. For the life of me. I couldn't find a straight answer. Thank you!

[@JesterOnCrack]

Thank you for the great overview! To me so many of these features seem too gimmicky or overly convoluted. Mines seem pretty bad, I guess Astartes are now stopped by razor wire (?!), the ammo cache seems plain weird since ammunition and reloading has never been part of the simulation, so to speak. I like a lot of things about the new Kill Team but this section is not one of them.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah it works a lot more in practice, they're really great additions

[@patrickdunham9490]

So, if my target is on one side of a smoke grenade, and I'm on the other side, and neither of us are IN the smoke ... it's like the smoke doesn't exist and we can shoot each other normally?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup

[@earnestwanderer2471]

Daft. Certainly wouldn’t play RAW in casual games. Just LOS traced through smoke grants obscured. I guess I can see why they did this though, to limit the value/effect of smoke.

[@patrickdunham9490]

@@earnestwanderer2471 It does feel strange, for sure. After playing a handful of games in the new edition though, I can kind of see why. A lot of teams get free grenades now, and if smoke still worked like it used to, there'd be a lot of bad shots and anybody who could see through obscuring might be OP. Still ... it's thematically wonky.

[@cryer3160]

Ladders are weird. My group is divided on their rules. Some says you can use it to climb up and down (climb is only possible on reposition/move and not dash) so you can go down for 1 inch too during the move. Some say you cannot use it at all and must drop for 2inch. Which made no sense. I got a ladder right in front of me. Guess I will jump down from the 2nd floor now

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

There is no climbing down, you can only drop down, so those friends are right

[@cryer3160]

That is what grind my gears. is how the rule book never said if the vertical distance can only be UP. While you can not, specifically use, DASH to climb (ladders). They never said ANY thing about Climbing (using reposition) being up or down, only mentioned it being Vertical distance. I believe school taught me going up or down are both vertical distances. And common sense says, "Hey there is a ladder beside me, I have a reposition action I can use, let me jump down from the 2nd floor real quick" makes no sense

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

But jumping down is cool

[@Kottekungen]

Sooo 2 ladders and barbed whire, and ammo crate for my yaegirs

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

A solid pick!

[@Kottekungen]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks, i was thinking a crate could be allot of fun next to the gunner and rifelkin

[@KingGale]

Can you climb down ladders?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No, you always drop when going down terrain

[@KingGale]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks for the clarifications. Big confusion going around the KT discords about it.

[@KingGale]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Is that referenced anywhere in the rules?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah the climbing and dropping rules

[@chardensama]

Man there's no way that ladders stop when the physical ladder does - if it did you couldn't use tokens, and if it did they def would've said it in the rules

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It does because that's also how events are ruling it

[@chardensama]

@@CanYouRollaCrit that doesn't mean they're right RAW

[@Fixrr9]

"Unless you are playing on Bheta Decima, all universal equipment must be deployed on the killzone floor" I'm not sure thats fully correct. Looking at the smoke grenade for example, it states when placing it that it must be visible to [the] operative "or on Vantage terrain of a terrain feature that's visible to this operative" (A recent WH battle report also featured a smoke grenade being used to conceal a sniper on a vantage point). A lot of the equipment (barricades, ladders, razor wire) is explicitly specified as a type of Terrain does need to be placed on the KZ floor as you say, but stuff like ammo cache, comms device (and even mines!) arent listed as terrain and nothing specifically states "equipment" must be on the floor.

[@Ralai14]

Is this kit enough for two players?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Only ladders you need an extra 2 of sadly

[@andanotherthing6687]

😮

[@JimCrimmins]

​@@CanYouRollaCritthat there aren't enough ladders for 2 teams in this box is inexcusable imo.. Seems intentional to sell their overpriced expansion kit... That's a weird gimmicky move for GW.. The box should support 2 teams

[@Nugg3t94]

​@@CanYouRollaCritand barricades (only come with 2)

[@KakitaKirby]

Waiting for someone to propose aeldari versions 😢

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Maybe on etsy?

[@KakitaKirby]

@@CanYouRollaCrit that's my hope

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@Damnedlegion40k]

Learning lots

[@thejomah]

Its annoying that you still use cardboard tokens honestly.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

For?