Kill Team Solo and Co-op Formats Review 2024 Edition Hivestorm

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@GlassHalfDead Ай бұрын

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@CatCraine Ай бұрын

Andy's being modest. I played him during a Liverpool tournament. Absolute gentleman. I tried to shake his hand at the start of the game, but he refused by gently cupping my head and kissing me right on the mouth. He then offered to rub his beard for luck. Being a married man, I had to refuse to which he replied: "Your terms are acceptable." At the end of a tense, razor's edge game of 14-2 Andy turned 360 degrees and remarked "no one will believe you" as he walked away. What a legend.

@DotJus Ай бұрын

Holy shit balls that’s amazing! What a legend!

@wildxero Ай бұрын

This is true. I read it on the internet.

@PixelPizzaOfficial 27 күн бұрын

This is true, i was the beard.

@stevebarnett-f5o Ай бұрын

Much needed, co op isn't getting a lot of coverage, thank you.

@RoadDeerGames Ай бұрын

Never change the double hello

@talaltalhouk7865 Ай бұрын

Circle Hello is acceptable

@oscarosc3109 Ай бұрын

I think the solution to initiative issue is going the way darktide boardgame functions: a deck of initiative cards. Hopefully as this game mode expands, GW will implement some mechanic to give a better AI initiative behavior to the Npos.

@tiredguy2753 Ай бұрын

That is my plan with handling initiative, a draw deck like dark tide , also a bit surprised that of dark tide wasn't officially carried over to the solo-co-op mode. That being said it is easy enough to assign operatives a card number and using a regular deck of cards for initiative.

@d-rex7043 Ай бұрын

Are you guys the other people that own Darktide? Pleased to make your acquaintance! Not played it yet, as I got in too deep, buying an extra box of Blooded, cos 'might as well' have the kill team, then buying single bodies from around the globe to make more operatives, and now, waiting for more magnets to arrive, to swap loadouts for Boarding Actions... but we have managed some Lair of the Beast family time, and that uses cards, too...seems to work well. Best part was when Draik ended the game with a double activation of buffed digital weapons. What a rogue!

@Will-zc8cq Ай бұрын

Double hello for life

@HermitGray Ай бұрын

I think Solo/Co-op format with addition of house rules is just the new Narrative Play mode of this edition.

@dovahkruz Ай бұрын

I loved Black Stone Fortress back then, and I'm hyped to see what can I make with this KT co-op rules and the BSF ones, a mix match of House Ruling bonanza xD

@MrTumnus1987 Ай бұрын

Double hello all day, every day! Wow…….. ……so wholesome!

@tiberiumnp8030 Ай бұрын

I've been planning on doing joint ops but with full teams. Combat Patrol sized mat, double the NPOs. Only issue I see with this is with pistols etc range.

@sarrakitty Ай бұрын

Honestly I felt like it was really lame that the official rules for this were geared towards this weird half-team setup. I don't want to play with half my team, and no real rules on team composition in that half, I want to bring my whole team to the table alongside my teammate!

@alextheys Ай бұрын

Easy way to do an initiative "system", put tokens of different colours, one colours is your operatives, put the same number of token in an opaque bag, other colour is NPOs, put as many tokens of the other colour in the same bag. Pull tokens, initiative, voila. (Source, other skirmish/board games: Zone Wars, For what remains...)

@verdrax Ай бұрын

I think the problem is choosing which NPO should go next, not which team turn is it.

@alextheys Ай бұрын

@@verdrax number the tokens and the matching npo? We regularly name the operatives, it should be easy?

@metallixbrother Ай бұрын

My initial thought was to roll to see who goes first in a given turning point, and then use a polyhedral dice/playing cards to get a number, having assigned numbers to NPOs before the game.

@dorath Ай бұрын

The Like button is pressed when the Double Hello is spoken.

@Jharlax Ай бұрын

Aye

@ThatGuyMurix Ай бұрын

I was wondering how they were going to deal with what NPOs activated when it was the "AI's" turn, kind of blown away that so much is just up to you to figure out as it doesn't feel like you have to strategically play around anything that you yourself haven't set up. The rolling a dice for a number and going from left to right across the board is a really good fix for this. Even though it might not be as elegant as some other options, I wish they went the little extra mile to put something like that in the core book even as an optional rules segment or something.

@ЕвгенийБалдерис Ай бұрын

Totally agree... "playng solo" in the current ruleset looks so much like just playng with yourself than playng against AI....

@EvilBearSkirmish Ай бұрын

co op helps me play a game with my son

@Hinryu1984 Ай бұрын

Exactly this!

@billybirdy9507 Ай бұрын

100%

@effindave6909 Ай бұрын

I'd love to see a warhammer quest style activation system for the npo's, Roll a d12 and consult a small chart to give enemy npo's a little randomness.

@CharlieFultonSC Ай бұрын

as someone new to this amazing world, a huge thank you for all of your content. It really helps us out massively!

@1rnw792 Ай бұрын

This should have be an addition to the narrative system, not a replacement for it.

@MrPomwarlock Ай бұрын

You could also give an initiative order to the types of NPO’s Melee operatives want to activate first, coz they are running up the board. Where as shooty operatives are lower down waiting for a shot. Bigger models are slowly than smaller ones So example Trooper brawler Tough brawler Heavy brawler Trooper marksman Warrior marksman Heavy marksman Then if you got multiples of the same operative, activate the worst one for you or roll a D6 So

@midlife_mtb Ай бұрын

Double hello for sure, dont change it man, I've come to rely on it, its one of the most wholesome things in my day

@BrendanHogg-p3f Ай бұрын

So a proposal for Solo and co-op rules to introduction some randomness is Variable Enemy Group activation. Role a D3 dice D3 for enempy Group activation number each time its Enemy turn. That way enemy might get one standard or multilpe attacks at one time. Enemy Group activation = from 1 up to max 3. (with 3 allowed only once per turning point).

@RunescapNerdHar1 Ай бұрын

Ah can’t lie, actually quite disappointed no narrative. I know it was no necromunda but I still liked it

@mykeycuento5576 Ай бұрын

This mode was needed, even in this most basic form. It's a precedent.

@bombjelly5795 Ай бұрын

Here’s how I do it. Each enemy character has a target that they stick to. The enemies will always attempt to stop me from my objective. (Collect and escape with all loot) the enemy characters always roll a dice at the start of every turn to determine whether enemies switch targets or not. Depending what the value of the dice is, enemies sometimes trade targets or sometimes two enemies will team up and target the same person. My team just has to complete the objective and escape . Stay alive.i put more enemies on the map to make them stop me. That way I actually attack. Less enemies, the more of a chance I have to survive

@johnamcf 8 күн бұрын

The initiative system could use a deck of playing cards, each model assigned A, K, Q, J, 10, etc at the start, and the deck curtailed by the number of models. When it's the NPO's turn, draw the top card and activate that model. At the end of the round, shuffle the deck. The NPO action decision tree also needs a dice roll of some sort for randomness.

@billybirdy9507 Ай бұрын

Great video. If you want turn solo play into a campaign, you could combine the KT battle with Five Parsecs from Home world building and campaigns.

@raxacor Ай бұрын

Interesting to hear your view on solo play, I’m on the fence regarding buying some Kill Team (the idea/theme appeals) ….based on what information is out there it’s looking like I’ll be sat here a while, they need to develop solo more without the need for players having to invent the rules themselves, they are more than capable of doing so…it’s been rushed! Seems a lazy add on intended to snare the large community of solo/co-op gamers out there (myself included) I’m not spending a small fortune to be disappointed when there are so many more well executed systems available.

@GlassHalfDead Ай бұрын

@@raxacor I agree that this is a relatively underbaked format on release. It remains to be seen if they will expand upon it and make it fully fledged with further content. Not just mission packs but additional core rules to the system. Right now, kill team is a highly competitive game, and I suspect the solo mode will only get REAL effort of it proves itself first. If it turns out to be an afterthought and there's no real hype or buzz about it, then it will be untouched. And I can't really blame them for that. The format needs to prove itself

@russellcatt8250 Ай бұрын

I'm hoping to play co-op with my 8-year old. He's a bit young for all the rule nuance, but I think we'll have fun.

@waynesellers4078 Ай бұрын

Exactly the reason why I picked up the new box.

@pbutch217 Ай бұрын

A recent resurgence in my interest in video games, especially space marine 2, has reminded me how much I prefer coop/pve games as opposed to competitive pvp games. Also, my interest in tabletop has been gradually dropping the last couple of years, but joint ops actually has me hyped to give it a try

@aqveteig442 Ай бұрын

I had already planned to do house rules for the scenarii. Taking a few distinct missions from Fire Emblem games and build over them. Following your comment on the AI I think I'll also include a "strategy pack" like activate brawler first and shooters second, split shooters and move as a tag team with brawlers, always attack closest enemy, adaptative (slightly change strat each TP), pincer attack (shooters middle, brawlers in each flank), etc. As we have 6 types of units, could even be split strategies amongst the 6 types.

@normanderi Ай бұрын

About the threat selection problem, just agree on a numeric system, for example: The harder it fires or fights the number goes up, higher hp and better saves it goes down(as being harder to hit and kill, could make the shot less impactful) if in cover and/or obscured it goes down, It can charge next activation it goes up, near an objective and can get it it goes up. And assign that threat level to the operative. There might be draws or exceptions but a numeric value i think it would help

@Squirrelsquid Ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. I don't really have a hobby group, so I got this specifically for the solo play. I've got some experience with (computer) game design, so I will try to tack on an initiative system, for sure.

@christianjohansen1493 Ай бұрын

Looking forward to both solo and co-op. Gonna be great … and I certainly want some randomness thrown in. Great video!

@tomwood_116 Ай бұрын

I'd be interested in seeing a video about how to do boss battles using the solo/coop rules!

@yeturs69420 Ай бұрын

Finally, an imperial knight in kill team

@HappyDuude Ай бұрын

In true GW fashion, as spearhead was better than combat patrol, warcry 3 solo will be better than killteam solo

@DANNYtheBOY11 Ай бұрын

Dude, Warcry 1.0 already had solo mode (found in Tome of Champion 2020) and it is already better than this.

@Lirretobb Ай бұрын

The Double Hello has existed since *_before KT21_* and I see no reason to change it now we're (almost) in KT24. (Originally I honestly thought it was a general KZbin thing that had passed me by. )

@PACEUK22 28 күн бұрын

As someone who has never played kill team but would love to get into it, the new solo and cooperative modes are a freaking awesome edition. I for one will be visiting my local warhammer store asap to find out more

@eric_intotheunknown Ай бұрын

I'm really looking forward to solo/co-op. And I love your idea for an initiative system. I didn't realize they'd left that out, but like you said, it's easy to add.

@MrShiftyWizard Ай бұрын

I'm a new 40k player and hobbyist, but enjoy co op board games at home with family. I was tempted by the hivestorm box primarily because of the scenery and more models to paint, but i wasnt sure if i could be bothered to learn a new game system and persuade someone in my local warhammer group to learn it too! However the inclusion of solo/co-op mode means i can learn kill team myself at home, maybe even play with kids and wife, and if i like it, use that mode to teach folks from the local group too. It doesn't seem like it will be a full satisfying co op experience like spirit island, pandemic legacy, dorfromantik etc, but worth a go. Worst case i get some 40k terrain, sell off two kill teams and the books and go back to 40k :)

@Winstonatoor Ай бұрын

I've just been jonsing to recreate the space hulk game on into the dark. play any of my teams vs nids.

@oscarosc3109 Ай бұрын

This. Maybe this is going to be the way tyrannids will make into this edition in a future solo/coop/narrative expansion

@GlassHalfDead Ай бұрын

@@Winstonatoor if I had painted Tyranids I'd totally do this...

@TwistedUpbringing2338 Ай бұрын

I should up for the double hello and say for the triple hello at the end. Never change it. :)

@thedragonborn9027 25 күн бұрын

I played my first co-op match the other day with my friend and his friend, the twist is, his friend played the npo's (following their guidelines) and this was great as at no point did it feel like any of use were sweating.

@Banterbear Ай бұрын

I am just digging back into GW stuff after years away ... I am surprised they haven't released more solo/co-op modes for their games. It's gotten very big in the broader tabletop gaming community in the last few years. It does need dedicated expansions and rule sets to make it interesting though...like you say, random elements and events that can surprise players, things that need to be accounted for, engaging and varied scenarios... I am sure GW will cotton on...

@davidteel7701 Ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to the coop, not so much solo. I would like them to expand on it in future boxsets and WD articles.

@Avera9eWh1teShark6 Ай бұрын

I think the initiative and dice activations are great ideas. Thanks for that. I have a buddy who wants to get into KT due to being a Tau player and wanting the Vespids. I will be using these house rules.

@skrdlov Ай бұрын

So does the core book contain no information on narrative or the previous spec ops style xp system?

@axanax2534 Ай бұрын

Brilliant video! I'm definitely in the Co-op camp.

@real-potatogamer Ай бұрын

just found this channel, have been really enjoying my triple hello. (y)

@ActualRegard Ай бұрын

I quite like the idea of solo play as something I can play with my son to get him introduced in an easy to learn way

@calebbailey06 Ай бұрын

Man, I don’t say this enough but this is still one of my favorite wargaming channels and your honest breakdown of what does and does not work for you in the system really helps contextualize the game for me. Appreciate your perspective and I’ll always stop in for a GHD view on a tabletop game. Keep it up!

@benelliott2484 Ай бұрын

Good review. I wasn't going to bother with this edition of killteam but you've sold it to me casual co op or solo sounds for me

@sampsonkennedy Ай бұрын

I've been curious to get into kill team, but it always seemed a bit too competitive focussed for me. I'm keen to try out coop with one of my necromunda players, seems like a great way to play the game

@CrimsonTemplar2 Ай бұрын

Accurate 2 Hello! I found the co-op mode to be really handy for teaching new folks how to play. Also, it’s the only way Tyranids will be playable in KT24. 😢 (hopefully GW will make me a liar someday). Also, I think you should stick with Double Hello. It’s your brand.

@Hardcover_Pilot Ай бұрын

I mean, I want to try solo/co-op, and I definitely think I'm going to crib your notes with that initiative system for the NPOs just to add that element of unpredictability. But I think primarily I'll be playing PvP - I hesitate to call it "competitive" as my local tournament scene really isn't that competitive; we're just a bunch of friends hanging out playing the teams we think are coolest.

@tjleary Ай бұрын

Solo and co-op are by far my fav new addition to the new edition!

@danielecroce8841 Ай бұрын

I have a question: I was preparing my very first Joint ops game, looking to learn the game. I'm playing Kommandos vs. NPOs Space Marine. I was going to select the equipment for the Marines and had a doubt on what equipment should I get to them: can I select equipment with an action for them? Since there are no actual guidelines about how NPOs interact with those, should I choose other equpment or do I decide (using the menacing rules guidelines) how the NPOs use those actions?

@hanshammarsten839 Ай бұрын

Don't know yet what I am new to this but playing solo doesn't sound bad, haven't got my box yet. But it's good to listen to You!

@danielknight8351 Ай бұрын

I think something like rolling 2d6 to determine what NPO’s activate would be good. Makes it a probability based problem as you know what models are *more likely* to activate but you never know for certain

@Badbufon Ай бұрын

excited to see what will be cooked for coop in white dwarf and maybe even during seasons. i am a new player which is slowly getting the models/terrain, so solo, coop and then some pvp matches would be a normal progression i believe. or maybe i throw everything away and play battlesector on pc, who knows?

@jpa_616 Ай бұрын

I like the co-op missions, they are great to introduce new players in a non-competitive way. I've found that some new recruits tend to feel a lil' down if a really experienced player crushes them on their firstgame. However, the narrative campaigns from KT 2.0 will be missed 😢

@magicalchipmunk1137 Ай бұрын

I think the co-op mode would benefit from a "dungeon master" that helps with initiative and determining the best move with npo's

@j0nb0y5 Ай бұрын

I can’t wait to beat myself in some kill team!

@DwH86 Ай бұрын

I think it's going to be a much better introduction to the game if your getting friends involved for the first time

@majortom7186 Ай бұрын

⚪️ hello never stuck, so I’d say double hello.

@merintil Ай бұрын

Thank you for the video! I have been deciding on whether to play Kill Team or not. I play 40K (and I mostly just paint rather than play the game), but I also play a ton of regular board games. I was pretty excited to hear that there was a Solo Mode in this edition of KT, but it seems that the Solo Mode is more akin to playing Chess solo. My only frustration with that type of Solo Mode implementation is that I am not entirely sure whether I can truly choose the worst possible option for me on behalf of the NPO. I suspect that perhaps (just like in the world of board games) some clever player can come up with a Solo Mode ruleset that does more than just playing the game against myself. Still, I have no idea how strong the AI is compared to a regular player (i.e., can the AI punish a player for non-optimal plays by virtue of being really strong?), nor do I know whether it is even feasible to set up an AI in a game like KT where decisions can be highly complex and take into account viewing angles and distance. TL;DR: Solo Mode seems more like playing Chess by myself, and I am not sure if it would be good to learn how to play KT. I should just find friendly people to play with in order to learn this game.

@thepigofminecraft Ай бұрын

I think your hatred of your opponents might be a you thing ha I play competitive KT and I always have a good time with my opponent(minus a few stinkers) It's possible to have fun and be competitive! Though I'm glad this new gamemode is open to those who don't feel that way

@WladcaPodziemia Ай бұрын

What you described in detal sounds like quite dull experience. Comapring it to something like Rangers of shadowdeep with many extra events each round and random/surprise interactions ... and objectives being outside of "kill/take" it seems it will be another of GW's "Rat hunts" (From Warcry) - dunno if you tried that, but might be somethign to copare to?

@GlassHalfDead Ай бұрын

@@WladcaPodziemia some great suggestions here, and you're right that this is very barebones. In a similar way that you could argue preliminary ops is rather barebones and gets expanded with approved ops. We can only hope that the expansion we get for these modes isn't just a new mission, but expanded everything

@billybirdy9507 Ай бұрын

It doesn’t seem like GWS is trying to achieve the solo experience of games like Five Parsecs from Home or Rangers of Shadowdeep. Instead, just a way to learn the game and familiarise teams for the primary purpose of PVP.

@WladcaPodziemia Ай бұрын

@@billybirdy9507 Fair and with that clear, those players that enjoy coop would be better of going with those dedicated systems. Althohugh this time GW "advertised" this coop experience... I do agree it seems to be just tutorial level

@tokatalively5490 Ай бұрын

Really happy for Coop. I am much more interested in coop than competitive play.

@Riddler_von Ай бұрын

I think or hope if the solo idea 💡 works,maybe we can get advanced drones with faction relevance. Sorry…I’m Canadian and I’m trying to use the Kings English.

@Zable24 Ай бұрын

This honestly feels like such a fumble for GW, they really had a chance to make it something exciting but they didn’t see it. But you’re right, thats what house rules are for. Well thought out video!

@jerameweirich7666 Ай бұрын

If you get an initiative system set up that works, make a video about it, I would be very interested in it as I see myself doing the same thing based on what you've said.

@4535jacks Ай бұрын

Are there any rules for friendly force activations in joint ops? I.e does each player have to alternate activating one of their half team or can you mix it up with one player activating two models before the other player activates a model? Can GA2 work between the two players with one player GA2ing so the other player then activates?

@Ir3zumi Ай бұрын

imagine getting tabled on your first solo matches by npos :D

@sinisterplank3113 Ай бұрын

I don't think its fair to say it can only be a teaching game. A lot of us play just to socialize, roll some dice and see what happens. It can absolutely be a casual game in its own right without having to be a teaching game. That said, im juat as excited about it as you are. Co op is easilly my favourite way to play any kind of game.

@biornr.4031 19 күн бұрын

Could you elaborate on what you mean by initiative? Because the game does have initiative changing hands between players already, but it seems like you have something more specific in mind

@Chaugnar187 Ай бұрын

Double hello for me

@RanVor Ай бұрын

The reason to make worse Necromunda is that Necromunda's gang war setting does not appeal to everyone. I remember when Shadow War: Armageddon came out towards the tail end of 7th edition, and it was literally just Necromunda with 40k minis, but I was immediately drawn to it because it was exactly what I wished Kill Team was at the time. I ultimately never got a chance to play it, and I regret it to this day, despite having played KT 2018 extensively (I never managed to get into the 2021 edition due to opaque ruleset and lack of time). And yet I never once considered picking up Necromunda, because it just doesn't have the same feel to it. As a huge xenos fan, there's very little for me to enjoy in the incredibly limited scope of the Necromunda setting. I don't care about some gangs duking it out in a seedy underbelly of an imperial hive city. Comparatively, Kill Team has a much greater variety of available factions and settings. Even if I don't like all of them, there's bound to be something that catches my interest (and there is - I'm currently waiting for my shiny new Mandrakes to finally release so I can get my hands on them). Besides, Narrative Play has been one of the core pillars of GW design since 8th edition. Even 40k has a campaign system, so why not Kill Team? tl;dr - KT narrative > Necromunda because f@#% gangs.

@badaboumpowpow Ай бұрын

Have you look at the solo variant Kill Team Acolyte? I much prefer playing coop in an adventure mode, I was waiting to see what the 3rd edition coop mode was going to be, it feels a bit too light - I hope they will do d&d-like campaigns (crusade) for KT coop in the future

@TheycallmeWade Ай бұрын

I’m going to play solo to learn enough to bring more enjoyment to the table for people when we can play co op

@cjdxn Ай бұрын

Its strange to me they didnt implement the Cursed City method for NPOs, cards designate order and rolling for what each model does during its activation. It makes it feel like PvE and not "I'm deciding this".

@dasmichel1268 Ай бұрын

Can you play Kill Team 2024 with three (or four) players?

@GlassHalfDead Ай бұрын

There are multiplayer missions with deployment layouts for 3 or 4 people!

@SPACENOMADMALEV Ай бұрын

Well dang. Someone's going to have to write some solo rules.

@bombjelly5795 Ай бұрын

Can we play co op or solo with all the previous kill team board games

@jameshill8493 Ай бұрын

Do you not like necromunda? I’m currently saving up for my first 40k something and was thinking killteam, but necromunda looks so incredibly cool.

@yeturs69420 Ай бұрын

Imo, necromunda is a lot more crunch and rules, and also campaigning. Like a one shot necromunda game isn't very fun, you really need to build up the roster. Kill team is more streamlined, and all the campaign stuff just left. You can also build a 40k army with kt models, less so with necromunda. If you have a dedicated play group, necromunda would be awesome. If not, kill team all the way, imo

@jameshill8493 Ай бұрын

@@yeturs69420yeah I was asking around the game store, no luck with necromunda:( Maybe I’ll just have to get 2 gangs and have a friend come over

@damianchenot2667 Ай бұрын

How would you feel about something like co-op but add in the element of having a "game master" to run the enemy teams and tell a story?

@Banterbear Ай бұрын

Then that's a three player game with two players on one side?

@Vikingeek Ай бұрын

It's a shame that the solo/coop "AI" is so limited, I've often felt that the downside of trying to play KT "against yourself" was that you always know what you or the other you are going to be doing, so outside of sketchy dice rolls, you can just "decide" who is going to win. Shall definitely try out the idea of some sort of randomised initiative to see if that mixes it all up a bit more.

@vthunder4238 Ай бұрын

Double hello to you too

@Blitzk3r Ай бұрын

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Kill Team Solo and Co-op Formats Review 2024 Edition Hivestorm

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