Is Cyberpunk 2077 A Disappointment? - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 54

[@Chrelle509]

I like Parris Lilly.

[@KindaFunnyGames]

@@Justmeandmy20cents twitter.com/vicious696

[@Darzhafox]

He's pretty cool

[@andywar24]

@@KindaFunnyGames Cmon !!! Greg and other dudes. you guys play more games in a month than i have played in my entire life. This game is flawed at the fundamental level. Streets are so narrow you can't drive you can't turn . fodder enemy has pixel perfect aim and they can't shuffle to pad up shooting you got a health bar on enemy AI. Titillation and neon lights are garnish in cyberpunk world. World cyberpunk grapples with a question are we born with a soul or you create one in this very world. It a game made by nerds in the computer club judies and panams girl who ignored us in high school. Man you gotta stop being bulldozed by psychotic cyberpunk choombas and tell it like it is big fan Andy

[@andywar24]

This Parris dude is a sellout. It psychotic cyberpunk chooombas plus paid influencer padded up reality. I am sorry it rude i needed get it out of my chest again sorry

[@marcello696]

@@andywar24 did you watch the episode or did you just want to accuse me of something that is absolutely not true?

[@Alderslayer]

Imagine being a developer on Cyberpunk, they give you all this crunch, release the game you've worked hours and hours on when it's not ready to then see the game get slated for its plethora of issues. Oh and you now have to work even harder on the game you knew wasn't ready but your superiors pushed out anyway. CD Projekt Red truly let down their own developers more than they let down us consumers.

[@addidaswguy]

@Steven Browning the bonuses were based on Metacritic score. So rushing the game would not get them their bonuses. Delaying it, and having it as good as it can possibly be, would get them the bonuses.

[@waynewalkerorg]

I disagree. The devs knew the state of the game. I think from the pressure of investors, death threats from community, they were in a lose-lose, and figured they might as well take in the money, release the game, and spend some of the earnings fixing it and adding future content.

[@Alderslayer]

I dont think its fair to treat the devs with the same anger as those higher up. They are the ones who crunched and they didnt get to decide when the game was released. Decisions have clearly been made forcing devs to remove certain features they may not have been happy with. Yes they are somewhat complicit but they did not actively release the game in this state or treat us customers like dirt.

[@radekseky4571]

That happens every time and it breaks my heart. You think that Anthem developers didn't know it's broken? Or Fallout 76 developers? They all do, and they're all giving it their whole heart regardless. I pity them every time.

[@imaginaryblue6796]

Im sure they are fine.

[@Amaantheman]

Parris needs to be on the show more often!

[@tobyblue4318]

I saw Parris as the #1 most hyped pro-Cyberpunk person before release. So I was worried after the reviews came out that he might gloss over the negatives and focus mostly on the good aspects. I'm so glad to admit that I was wrong, I really respect that while Parris really enjoys the game he's just as critical as everyone else is. Sorry for doubting!

[@jordrl66]

You mean like a former Host of a Xbox show on here..... Being critical even if you've been involved in a game's hype is a great thing to see. Commentary is important for developers to move forward.

[@jordrl66]

@@HermanFalckHow The game being unplayable on certain consoles makes this point flawed. People don't have a issue with bugs being in the game, every game has them. The lies and lack of transparency are main reasons. They said you could get refunds now Sony are saying you can't. Its a horrible look despite many areas the game excels in.

[@aarons.2323]

From what I've seen of the base PS4 version of Cyberpunk, nothing, not even the crappy environment textures, about FFVIIR can compare. I have a base PS4, and FFVIIR never freaked out on me and dipped into single digit frames.

[@ShawnFarris]

Parris always keeps it real and I’ve watched him be excited/hype this game for years

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@HermanFalckHow Equivalent PC hardware is still PC hardware, not console hardware. And there was no reason to do that in a time when dev kits were readily available to all. The only time they ever showed the game running on (midgen) consoles was with highly doctored-footage so obvious your grandma could see the BS. Avengers and FF7 also never had texture-load issues anywhere near as egregious as this, just minor performance dips. Jedi Fallen Order and Control launched worse than both of those games. You're taking what they said at face value as absolute truth when they never proved the specs of any of their showcases. This game always was targeting a high-end experience that is too easy to compromise on the prior gen, it would be like if Valve had a PSVR port for Alyx, it was always going to be a disaster. They also could've given a PSA the day before launch when they knew for sure that the day 1 patch was far from fixing consoles. In fact the way it performs on midgen consoles is how one would've expected base consoles to perform, there's no question that it launched significantly worse than all 4 of the games you mentioned in comparison. I agree with you that what HAS been accomplished here has been overlooked in this group and that it can easily be overlooked by others. This group discussion perhaps obsessed too much over the politics of the situation (especially Greg who genuinely believes this can't 180 or get 2021 GOTY noms), but the lack of transparency DEFINITELY needed to be highlighted when discussing this game in the here and now. CD Project has forever lost some of the trust and good will they've developed, at least for whenever new games launch from them. But yea at the same time I don't think they're ever going to run away with people's money either.

[@Throwbackjosh]

so we’ve all decided that panam is the best thing about cyberpunk, right?

[@KindaFunnyGames]

Yes. - Greg

[@waynewalkerorg]

No fucking way. Takemura is the king

[@Spinnekk]

Duuuh! She's bae...

[@thisninja11]

The minute I laid eyes on Pam, it was love at first sight

[@nebulaxiii5533]

Nah, Judy is the best. Side note, does anyone know if there are consequences for being in multiple relationships? And I mean long term relationships, not hookups. Cus I got one with Judy and just started one with River Ward.

[@roblee222]

"Let me customize my V" Bless with a bar! 😂😂😂😂

[@quentincompson5746]

I'm surprised this line didn't get a bigger reaction. Tim's reaction was perfect, but the others hardly blinked.

[@TrimblyWimbly]

Blessing, my girlfriend is Hispanic and hanging out with her family and close friends from The RGV it’s not uncommon for them to say a phrase or word in Spanish while primarily speaking English. I don’t speak Spanish but just like in the game you typically have enough context from the sentence to get it. And over time this has made me slowly start to learn some Spanish through every day conversation. I would assume this happened with V as well growing up in a primarily Hispanic neighborhood and living with Jackie’s family. (Also I’m pretty sure V has a universal translator cause sometimes the subtitles will translate for you)

[@Alex_Logan22]

Yes that's true, but the execution from Jackie doesn't feel as natural as real life, it feels pretty forced, like they're writing it this way just because that's how their Spanish friends talk, rather than getting an actual Spanish speaker to go over the lines like Insomniac did with Spiderman. Blessing was kinda wrong in his criticism yes but if it was executed better like Miles Morales, he probably wouldn't had noticed it enough.

[@scarlet8078]

​@@Alex_Logan22 Imo the English translation/ localization has issues, esp the slang. My family is Latino & yeah, we can tell it wasn't written by a native English/ Spanish speaker, but that's ok. We like that CP2077 has Latinos & we adore Jackie. We don't appreciate the reviewers claiming cultural appropriation on our behalf bc it inevitably leads to LESS representation. For example, a few months back Twitch released cute Latino History emojis which we all loved, but then wight folks complained & made Twitch delete them 🤣

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@scarlet8078 Exactly, I noticed that happen with trans as well. People out of their element really shouldn't comment for others at all.

[@refugee522studios]

@@scarlet8078 I wonder if Andy had been on this podcast what he would've said. Seems lame that 2 white and 2 black guys decide that jackie's character was racially offensive and that the game is transphobic for all of us.

[@waynewalkerorg]

The nitpicking on the social aspects of the game is a bit cringe. "Jackie speaking Spanish at times" is not uncommon and such an odd thing to point out. Some of the Trans arguments are a bit understandable, but I fear this type of misguided attempts at social commentary will push devs away from tackling these more adult type of issues. Really disappointing.

[@waynewalkerorg]

it just seems every race in a game needs to have a completely fleshed out backstory and narrative to explain their existence in the world, otherwise its just assumed its for set dressing. Really disingenuous argument and critique on a game with much more pertinent and pressing issues that face it.

[@shockblast20]

It's not transphobic either.

[@Dreggy990]

@@waynewalkerorg yeah I hated when they got into it felt so basic journalism talking points. I’m hispanic I also work at a prison and guess what we got hatian gangs, Mexican gangs etc. people of the same cultural background tend to link up. Spanish speaking people do switch back and forth a lot too. It’s just that California mind set of needing to speak out for the “offended” monority

[@refugee522studios]

@@Dreggy990 Shocking they all (except maybe Parris) life in san francisco. Rich SF liberals gotta be woke on other peoples behalf

[@refugee522studios]

@@waynewalkerorg Exactly, and the critque that the game didn't have a message is wack to me. WHY DOES EVERY GAME HAVE TO TELL ME HOW TO THINK AND BELIEVE. I can play a game and enjoy it if it's not telling me a social commentary. Blessing did this in his review last week "I wish the anti-capitalist stuff was stronger" Who said this game has to be anti-capitalist for me to enjoy it.

[@ryandeen6927]

The discussion the guys had about the presence of transphobia in the game made me pretty upset. To me, it seemed like the only example they had was the poster that was over sexualizing trans people, but there are TONS of posters and billboards that sexualize everything, so its not being exceptionally disparaging towards one demographic. My main qualm though is that they kept saying there are no redemptive arcs for trans people in this game, when in fact there is a whole series of side quests with a pretty main character who you learn towards the end is a trans person. It was never focused on, it was just a part of who they were and they just happened to be trans and I loved them! To me it just seems ignorant to say the game is transphobic. If somebody has a different opinion I would love to be educated about it, truly.

[@jeremyvisser3877]

Agreed, but be careful Tim might just blame you for his words, he's done it to me. Just a friendly heads up. For reference he spent 2 hours in the Joker review spreading false narratives about mental health, then when I called him on his bullshit I get a msg saying I "misrepresented" his words, like that's even possible, I took what he literally said and he got all in his feelings because I'm not part of the echo chamber he lives in. Also I'm Schizophrenic and him telling me that I was misrepresenting his words is the most shallow, affluent nonsense ever.

[@bobbob679]

Is anyone going to talk about the enemy, cop or car AI? I feel like this is the most immersion breaking part of the game.

[@marcosantamaria804]

Yea everyone is taking about bugs which is taking away from people talking about things like that.

[@mabsali8770]

Yep, the whole cop mechanics is just useless. The driving in this game is at most times terrible. It feels like you’re driving on ice and the tyres have no grips whatsoever. Hence why I use bikes as my go-to vehicle and it’s so much more better!

[@refugee522studios]

agreed this is the only real thing that hurts the game for me. Bugs don't matter to me, but the broken cop and driving AI is really bad. I love the game completely otherwise.

[@TheFrothyBrew]

Greg specifically mentions this at 25:09.

[@eplltaph7611]

yeah its definitely weak hopefully it can be improved.

[@S0mewhat_Damaged]

Greg talks about PC gaming like a old person talking about consoles.

[@n2nother]

As he should.

[@MikeHeldTheWorld]

His whole opinion on PC gaming is just getting annoying at this point. I get he's joking but it just makes no sense to me. He covers video games for a living. He is passionate about them. The fact that he has no interest in the actual tech that runs these games is baffling to me. Especially because with one phone call to origin, nvidia, nzxt, he could get a monster rig sent to him for free. Why wouldn't you play games in the best possible way? Also, Blessing has a PC for how long and still doesn't know what kind of cpu he has? Like really. Your industry is tech adjacent and you guys know nothing about tech.

[@chrisbroad2689]

It’s a joke that got old a long time ago. Obviously most people don’t own pc’s and that matters with the cyberpunk situation but it’s something to not just straight up dismiss.

[@MikeHeldTheWorld]

@@chrisbroad2689 Remember when Greg was amazed at Spider-Man performance mode on ps5. He was praising how smooth and fluid 60fps was. I'm like "yeah Greg, you could've been experiencing that with every game this generation (except playstation exclusives obviously) if you didn't write off PC gaming". If you can't afford a PC, by all means grab a console and have fun. But Greg is an industry professional and video game enthusiast. Even if he couldn't afford a PC, he could he easily get one given to him. It's like when HD came out and my Dad was still watching the SD channels for years. You just want better for them and face palm because they refuse to change their ways.

[@michielnuyts7187]

@Steven Browning Well said.

[@_EVANERV_]

I'm 60 hours in and I only do hacking and stealth take downs, guns and blades as a final resort. So far I'm really loving the mechanic.

[@savage7ecneek437]

Just now getting into hacking after 1 storyline finished Can't get the access point hacking

[@bankakinmola7385]

Yea. Probably took 2-3 hrs to get the hang of 1st person stealth & melee... but now around 40 hrs in, I LOVE my corpo assassin build!!! Glad I stuck with it. Have actually invested zero pts in the body or reflexes skill trees. My V just hit lvl 25/26 Street Cred; all pts poured into Hacking, Tech, & Cool. Still... none of the clunkiness or problems reviewers had adjusting to melee. Straight beast mode w/ a katana or blade! Mostly use 'em in combo w/ stealth though. Or if there's only 1-2 enemies to deal with... Or to spank that one thug always dumb enough to rush me behind cover... Right up until I hack him, freeze him, & start placing bets on how many of his appendages get scattered across the pavement before his torso lands 😛. Really love this game! 🥰🥰🥰

[@nicholeass9729]

Y’all obviously didn’t do the racing side quests with Claire.

[@kingofkings1stfs]

Clearly lol

[@thisninja11]

Yeah I was gonna say that too lol. That’s where you find out Claire is transgender

[@ryanfields4990]

Agreed and they wrote it in there really well loved clare quest line

[@goncaloduarte4683]

The notion that the marketing of this was transphobic is insane, the most "" "transphobic""" thing they did was making that "classic" and overused Helicopter joke.

[@Harabusa200]

well damn... i got spoiled... so far i've been avoiding the Claire racing quest since the driving is not that good especially with a controller

[@RoaringTide]

I don't really gel with this idea that they should have included more commentary around transgender and sexuality. Why would there be pointed messaging on concepts that are so normal in that world? You could insert lines or posters that meaningfully poke fun at the status of those things in real life, but I would argue that kinda breaks the illusion somewhat. Like why would commentary relevant to OUR world be in THEIR world? For them, everything is 110% accepted and exploited - no stone is left unturned with sexuality and body mod. Perhaps more *varied* ads that demonstrate that would make sense, but I think any "wink wink" commentary aimed at us would come off as forceful unless they took the GTA route into parody, which they didn't.

[@DoNotWorryPodcast]

I feel like Parris barely got a word in (40 min in) and with 5 people on the pod some people went on for far too long.

[@MonkSupra]

My thing is like how does barret almost speak more than Paris? I usually like his commentary but bruh, you’ve only played 6 hours, everything you said was a reiteration of what they were just saying, you admit it before you go in, and bro there’s 5 people on this panel, if you have very little to add just save it. But overall a great talk. Still love Barret just sayinn

[@Alex_Logan22]

Yea they sometimes moved on to the next topic too quickly before he got his say in, leaving him to have to go backwards.

[@JayUnarmed]

Guy in the bottom right thinks language doesn't change in 50 years? lol... Let alone slang, I cant even understand my cousin half the time who's only 15 years younger than me.

[@stuartbagley2586]

Language won’t change in 57 years, but people will have robot faces and flying cars. Yep. Checks out.

[@acrnm]

38:45 - As a Latino who grew up in East Los Angeles California Jackie Welles is a huge huge nod to my upbringing, culture and life. His character completely captured me and what happens in the storyline impacted my emotions ten fold because of this. It was like having one of the OG’s from my neighborhood in the game and it was just amazing so Thank you CD PROJEKT RED! Edit: The Valentino’s too! My culture is in this game !

[@HEARD201]

That whole transgender conversation they had seems so silly. Why are you telling other people how to be offended.

[@Dreggy990]

Yeah I’m sure most actual transgenders really don’t care

[@scarlet8078]

The other day they were saying "Latinx gamers are upset about Jackie." & the comments were full of us saying that (a) we are skeptical that an actual Latino is referring to himself in that way & (b) we all love Jackie. But, hey, different opinions make the world go round 😄

[@refugee522studios]

@@Dreggy990 It's because they all live in San Francisco and they have to be super woke and offended on other peoples behalf. The criticism blessing had that the character creator only had masculine and feminine voices is crazy. you can choose any voice, with any body style, with any genitals you want. you can have a beefy male voice with a feminine body with a cock. or a feminine voice, with a masculine body and a vagina. they literally covered every base. and if they're sexualizing men and women in the game they aren't allowed to sexualize trans as well? Love KF but when they get into the politcs and into the "this is offensive" they make want to skip to the next conversation even though I usually just listen through it because I like them as a whole.

[@HEARD201]

@@scarlet8078 True, and i feel like it's ALWAYS a bunch of white people who decide what's offensive and what's not.

[@nexuszen769]

White San Francisco liberals for ya.

[@Blietzflame845]

tim your monitor should be raised higher so at eye level, when looking down for long times can cause neck issues

[@OMAR-vq3yb]

You got me fixing my posture now

[@ItsGregKon]

Tim, that's not a PC -- that's a BATTLESTATION

[@Loopez2284]

Awful hosting from Tim, Parris barely spoke and tried a few times to join the conversation but was over-powered by 4 others unfortunately. Parris seems like a cool dude

[@HAL1138]

Great talk, maybe let Parris talk a bit though? We have also heard the Kinda Funny crew talk about this game a good amount, so it’s odd to have him on a 60 second timer and seemingly skipped over during a lot of the talk. He clearly had something to say, but “Let’s talk about sponsors”

[@carlayres8484]

Yes, I noticed this, and the moment he tried to chime in he got talked over. Let your guests talk guys, otherwise what's the point in having them on?!?

[@themightyant.]

Parris was so patient and polite in the first half. By half-time he had figured it out and mentioned that he just had to jump in. Second half MVP. Here’s hoping CP2077 has a a similar arc.

[@xxmattbreezyxx]

To Blessing's "pleasure sleeve" comment. I walked into a room early on.... NOTHING BUT tubular mouths.

[@kingofkings1stfs]

I think you guys should play the side missions more regarding the trans community. It’s a little unfortunate you guys bring up this subject before experiencing it in the game. But it’s early response so I get why you guys have come across it

[@seavon88]

About Jackie Welles... When Americans will realise that the world doens't revolve around them? There are other cultures and languages.

[@BarrettCourtney]

Want to clarify here, they’re not upset that he’s bilingual if that’s what you’re thinking. Typically bilingual speakers, when talking to english speakers, will only use their original known language when they don’t have an english word or expression for what they’re trying to say. The way Jackie’s dialogue is written, he just randomly says spanish words not because he doesn’t know the english term, but it’s just to remind the player he can speak spanish, it’s not a natural way that his dialogue is written and that is pretty common for how spanish speakers are written by white people

[@asgiov]

@@BarrettCourtney Yeah, no buddy... I get what you are trying to say, but that just isn't accurate based on my experience living in a Mexican household. Spanish speaking people like to throw out random spanish words all the time. It's like specifically a Latin-American thing... not specifically immigrants. It's like a way of speaking kids learn in predominantly Hispanic communities in the US... it's meant to be 'hip'. It's quite possible that the stereotypes might even inform behavior, which further inform the stereotypes... but it's not harmful in any way, IMO... that's just how it is.. and Jackie is a great character. He is totally representative of a Hispanic person, IMO. As a Hispanic person, I loved him.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@BarrettCourtney Spanglish is common even when around English-only speaking friends, but I agree the execution isn't as good as say Naughty Dog or Insomniac, due to not consulting the lines with Spanish speakers, so it feels forced in comparison to others. You guys have Andy though, he could've cleared all this up for you guys. And have you guys never heard of Pitbull, a huge Spanglish music artist with tons of English fans lol.

[@andykww]

46:30 Claire is a trans character in Cyberpunk 2077

[@nexuszen769]

Proving that, as per usual, POLYGON DOESN'T PLAY FUCKING GAMES. Lol

[@fuzzy3932]

I’m sorry but Imran is just kinda douchey. All his takes are basically subjective options about certain aspects of the game and if you don’t agree with him you’re wrong.

[@shockblast20]

With this review I kind of agree.

[@refugee522studios]

yeah he played the least amount of time (outside of Barret). Before watching this in my head I guessed who would hate and dismiss the game the most and I somehow knew it would be Imran. The fact he complained about side quests when this game has the best side quests I've ever done in any game (better than witcher 3) is crazy. He just clicked on one of the cyberpsychosis side quests which yes doesn't have a story but also isn't a full side quest. there is a reason they have the catagory breakdowns there to tell you which are the major sidequests and which are not.

[@digit861]

Omg right! It's so annoying. He's that guy who watches a movie and all of his points are based on it's not the movie he would have made, or they aren't choices he would have made. I just said this to someone else- but his subjective opinions seem really binary. It's the greatest thing ever or the worst thing ever.

[@forgedghost1062]

Agreed. I looked at who was on this video and immediately thought. "Yep. Imran isn't going to like it." Not shocked.

[@refugee522studios]

@@forgedghost1062 Imran only seems to like the "artists" games. He would only like indie movies I bet. And hate on MCU and stuff

[@jlove533]

LET ME CUSTOMIZE MY V Blessing is a treasure

[@imaginaryblue6796]

Blessing is a joke

[@jlove533]

@@imaginaryblue6796 You can go ahead and keep your negativity to yourself. Thanks

[@StillChewy]

Great takes all around. I think Parris nailed it when he said you're right if you think it's a great game or terrible game.

[@reidmcilwain4658]

I've never played a game that I have to force myself to get through but when I'm not playing it's all I think about. Also Parris had some fantastic talking points. Please bring him back.

[@bdipauly]

Shocker. Imran doesn’t like it.

[@Dreggy990]

He’s that one buzz kill friend... he’s like Britta

[@refugee522studios]

Yep shocking he didn't play the game long enough, didn't understand basic mechanics like sell all junk, and did 1 side quest and thought it was trash (it wasn't even a real side quest it was an open world event so can't hold it to the same standard as full length side quests which can take 45 minutes sometimes)

[@nexuszen769]

@@Dreggy990 I'm getting rid of Britta I'm getting rid of the B

[@fanana_bishh]

I want to be friends with Parris Lilly

[@nosworc]

Imagine having a badass guest like Paris and not letting him speak for 40 mins, he was trying his best to come into the conversation so many times.

[@kingofkings1stfs]

I noticed that myself, they definitely spoke over him so much and jumped around. Guess I’ll hear what he has to say on his podcast

[@neojd]

Shout out once again to Tim’s setup. Living the dream.

[@No0neLikeKimbers]

Played 2.5 hours on launch day ps4 ... story is really immersive along with Night City. If the frame rate was at 25-30 fps i’d love the game.

[@xiRePeNTx]

Agreed, but its a shame the game won't sell well. Even if CDPR able to redeem themselves by ironing out the bugs, the launch fiasco is something which people won't forget so easily so i think this game is bit fucked. As grand this game is it just won't have the over the top fanbase that witcher holds, rightfully so

[@memes3751]

15 frames per second

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@xiRePeNTx It already made profit day 1 and soared past all Witcher records.

[@xiRePeNTx]

@@Alex_Logan22 mate im talking about the long term just not the initial sales. The launch disaster will definitely have an impact , see the sales in a year or two. People have a perception Cyberpunk now as bad as Fallout 76 which is a shame cuz if they iron out the bugs its one of best single player campaigns ever. Definitely goes head to head with rdr 2 and ghost of Tsushima

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@xiRePeNTx Fallout 76 didn't launch anywhere close to this, and CDPR has a reputation for both fixing their games and giving back to their fans, unlike Bethesda. People made this argument about the long term sales of TLOU2 and guess what, Neil wouldn't had been promoted to Co-President if the sales had any kind of slump.

[@mabsali8770]

My 30 hours with it on PS5 has been (thankfully) more positive than negative. I'm loving the story and characters and the world is really cool....but the instability is just unbearable at times and just sours the experience. I've had nearing 30 crashes with the game, with one of them making me have to shut down and restart my PS5. It's such a shame but its a game I think about all the time and wanting to go back to the world as soon as I have free time!

[@TonyAurum]

It's absolutely wild that you say you've had nearly 30 crashes and still consider your experience to be more positive. I don't think any game would be given the same amount of leeway that this one has been given

[@mabsali8770]

@@TonyAurum Like i've said, i'm engrossed in that world and i'm enjoying my time in the game and love playing with all the mechanics it has to offer. By all means i'm not giving it leeway because its "Cyberpunk 2077". The senior management have a lot to answer for on the decisions made and how it was managed, and absolutely deserve all the outcry and criticism being thrown towards them. I know it would've been much worse if I was playing it on the PS4, but given I've got a PS5 and loading back into my save is really quick because of the tech, that has been the saving grace for me with those crashes. And of course, it is the next best place to play it after a PC.

[@thepolished1]

@@mabsali8770 That is... Insane. I'm returning it today after playing about 4 hours MAYBE, on ps5. Constantly seeing graphical bugs that take you out of the game and one crash was enough for me to call it a day.

[@mabsali8770]

@@thepolished1 on of course that is to do with player by player. Visually it’s been absolutely fine for me on PS5 once I’ve turned off things like Chromatic Aborration, clear motion, film grain etc. Yes I’ve got weird glitches here and there but nothing that is bothersome

[@bafford7518]

Good to hear! I will have a blast with it in the future then, when most of the bugs are fixed and the game isn't as broken. Don't feel any rush playing it at it's current state.

[@AssembleShow]

yay Parris!

[@Sam-sd5si]

Well they were just wrong about the trans representation, Claire is trans and she is a very significant character for a while.

[@sterkrazzy]

Yea, they spent a while talking about that while using articles that were written by people that also missed the Claire quests...a bunch of people are missing this

[@refugee522studios]

Yep, that's what they get for having only played 10-20 hours of the game (yes Parris played 45 so he has the only real representation of the game that can be trusted on this gamescast). It's really annoying listening to or reading game reviews for open world games like this and you have people who either don't enjoy these type of games (and shouldn't be reviewing them) these people who rush to play the game and then don't actually get into the sidequests. like Imran bitching about sidequests having played like 10 hours of the game is so stupid. The sidequests open up later in the game and are fantastic.

[@captainxodus8897]

The 2nd game in my entire gaming life that I returned. Highly disappointed will possibly revisit after next Gen version is available.

[@franklinjoseph9067]

What's the first?

[@captainxodus8897]

@@franklinjoseph9067 Mass Effect: Andromeda

[@witchx2005]

there is a trans character though, and its pretty well done how its presented to the player, if you do the car race side missions you will get to know her.

[@theoathman8188]

"AMD ryzen GPU" PC enthusiast facepalming

[@Alex_Logan22]

Wait I’m confused, what would the difference be between a pronoun decision dictating your voice versus the opposite? I haven’t played the game yet and I’m uneducated on trans matters, so honest question. I assume trans people wouldn’t want them/they if everyone in the world understood how they viewed themselves. Sounds like what the game possibly needed was both a pronoun and a voice decision, if someone wants to mix it up. Also, the cyberpunk future as envisioned by the 80s/90s has always been the entire point, the goal of the project, so you can’t criticize it for not being an updated vision when that would’ve never been the fantasy. You can only criticize whatever the execution of said fantasy was. This is not a grounded, potential future game, it’s as fantastical and fantasy-driven as The Witcher. Also regarding the poster they discussed being everywhere, I can’t judge it since I haven’t played, but I know the devs have said it was intentional since it’s a city being corporate-run and exploiting trans. It makes sense that greedy corporations of the future would take advantage/profit off of progression rather than legitimately support it. I don’t know how well they execute on that commentary or how subtle it is, but I know that was the idea/goal.

[@EdenAppleVids]

While I’m not Trans and I can’t speak from any place of authority on the issue, I do have Trans folk in my friend circle who cringed a little about voice and pronouns being linked because it can be interpreted that you’re only entitled to your pronouns if your voice is socially accepted as matching said pronoun. For example you should only be allowed to be referred to as She/her/hers if your voice presents with higher pitches more traditionally found in CIS gender females. Granted, I’m just assuming that’s what these guys are talking about when they say it would have been less problematic if the game just flat out asked you what pronouns you want to use, so take my explanation with a grain of salt.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@EdenAppleVids I get that, I just don't see how the reverse would've been much different. "Oh I'm a he so my voice has to be deep." In this world, transitioning is instantaneous, they don't have the same struggles as people do today (unless they just can't afford it or whatever).

[@maxheadshot3287]

It's a game which requires neither skill nor effort, it's banal couch entertainment. I hate this. Run 'n gun without punishment for intellectual lazyness and dumbness and without tension. Boring.

[@scarlet8078]

I agree with everything Imran said about CP2077. The slang is so cringe, the taste & tone is wrong. Idk if the English translation/ localization is bad or what. Evelyn is the only good quest for me. I think those of us who wanted a RPG & who like RPGs are very disappointed. Also, the 'female' Vee isn't a good choice bc he's such a tough-guy char & the story is linear & his persona can't be changed

[@Alex_Logan22]

Are there any voice modifiers, or is it just 1 male and 1 female?

[@yeahiguessman]

Loved this episode. Loved having Paris on here. You guys all have a great dynamic together. Although, I do feel like Imran is nitpicking things to a point where I’m starting to think he may not like the genre of Cyberpunk? Most of his gripes with the storytelling and world are present in a ton of other popular stories in this genre. Also at around 22min Paris mentions he expected the game to be polished and I just don’t know what led him to expect that. Witcher 3 had horribly game breaking bugs on console. The big issue this time around is crashes, but CD has a history of launching very buggy games that do eventually get fixed. The game definitely wasn’t ready for release, but I’d honestly never expect a not buggy product at launch from them. Either way, I think everyone agrees the game could have done with more time in the oven and CD’s response to all of this is horrible and a disservice to the tons of developers who spend almost a decade of their life working on this product in some way. It’s a shame.

[@bmig2463]

Been following Parris via Gamertag Radio Podcast for years, and to see him come into his own is inspiring. Glad to see the brother doing well, and I see Parris growing even more.

[@billyocean28]

The missions are fun, but the AI breaks the immersion for me. Night City feels scripted. Some enemies wont fight back. I also miss the random encounters that were in the witcher 3

[@ThatsHipHop4Yaaa]

What’s really crazy to me is in CDPRs earning call they talk about how they’ve still yet implemented how the Ai is suppose to act and is coming in the big patch coming in January or February.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

I kind of wish the Ai was more like Gta 5 the Ai in that game reacts to everything almost to the point were they feel like real people the cyberpunk Ai is a little dull and really don’t react much. Even the cops in the gta compared to cyberpunk it’s night and day and I hate to compare those games to cyberpunk but it’s kind of hard not to when there so similar.

[@MyStoryQuest]

This is a great show and somehow, Paris made it 10 times better. Bravo

[@Stinkdeken87]

Parris Lilly joins us to give all of our thoughts on Cyberpunk 2077. Parris Lilly joins us to give all of our thoughts on Cyberpunk 2077. He joins twice?!?! :P

[@Pockets3131]

Parris so nice - They told us twice.

[@joshmarshall8588]

Bad take after bad take after bad take...etc. When will you guys, and every other games media outlet, realize you can't tell artists what they are making and why they are making it? You can't tell them what their art means. Just because they aren't bringing up woke talking points doesn't make them out of touch. It makes them creators that are crafting their story the way they want their world to be (and Mike Pondsmiths). Also, the studio is Polish!! Stop trying to force American woke culture down their throats. Different country, different culture, different art. Don't shit talk because it's not woke American enough.

[@amokana]

OMG you guys, this is literally the first mainstream game in history letting you choose your gender as you please, you can swap genitals and voices and body type as you want ... we never had this before ... and you talk about pronouns ?? you talk like every game out there is having better options. THIS IS RIDICULOUS, get over yourselves.

[@Saugerdees]

If CDPR wants to use it as a selling point, they should have gone all in and had all those options available. Why only do half measures? Decouple pronoun from the voice. That's all they had to do.

[@amokana]

@@Saugerdees i get what you mean, but this is a small first step towards a better representation. Instead of bashing it we should celebrate it as progress, we should encourage or other studios will get cold feet and opt to not implement it in their game because they would rather be safe than having a small controversy about it. It's hard to have in mind all these combinations of pronouns in dialogue for example, and if they had time to do this i'd rather they polish their game first.

[@janilehto3195]

For me it was the opposite. Absolutely loving the game +30 hours in on PC. I barely had any hype or expectations, went fully in blind. And it ended up being my favorite game of the year, maybe even of all time when it comes to single players. But if I was a PS4/Xbone player I'd be pissed for sure.

[@asgiov]

@Steven Browning Class action lawsuits happen because Lawyers are opportunistic aholes... that jump on the opportunity to make a lot of money (Also a drawback of captialism). Cyberpunk has issues, definitely... and I agree the base console release is in an unacceptable state. But it's okay for people to acknowledge they loved the game if they had a good experience with it.

[@asgiov]

​@Steven Browning I would say the same thing... "It's okay for people to acknowledge they loved the game IF they had a good experience with it". Didn't say not to call them out on the problems. And class action lawsuits rarely actually ever help consumers and force changes in companies. They almost always just result in lining the pockets of the lawyers performing them. If you think that is some sort of justice, fine.... I don't agree with it. I generally also don't jump on the internet outrage bandwagons people had for Anthem or Mass Effect either...

[@MrBungle222]

The lifepaths meaning nothing after 15 minutes are so so disappointing, a minute long montage capping it off like wtf happened.. Even if you fix the bugs and performance across the board the worst is that the gameplay is incredibly shallow, the experience is more akin to Terminator: Resistance or one of the new Wolfensteins, 2nd party fps that hit or miss in execution. It's like they looked at Deus Ex and Farcry and said we are going to make that! But without any of the thought of what makes those games "fun" let alone "good".

[@TanayVaidya]

Might be a bit simplistic to say so, but yes, to me it's a massive disappointment. I got it on the base PS4, so they basically scammed me. I trust that they'll fix it, but I'm mad. I actually even logged in a few hours, because the substance of the game is all there. Then at a point I realised I dreaded going out into the open world and driving around because it looks like washed out, blurry garbage. I'm probably not touching it again until their February patch.

[@bobbysoule379]

Tons of valid criticism in this video, but one thing I have to disagree with. You all posed the question: why would you ever stealth and hack when you can just go in guns blazing. But from the other perspective: why would you ever go in guns blazing when you can hack every enemy in the building you're trying to infiltrate from across the street. If you're trying to be stealthy and get spotted by an enemy, it makes sense that they'll try to shoot you and raise the alarm, but you can still use hacks to wipe his memory and recover without getting into a huge firefight. That seems like a quintessential rpg element to give you the option to stealthily take everyone out or just say fuck it and go in guns blazing.

[@Vicky-ci2fk]

Wtf Imran is talking about. I see the game has a problem but he seems to be hating the game for the sake of hating it. Apart from bugs, crash and all, the story, characters, world they have created are phenomenal. He is complaining about side quests, are you kidding me not all side quests will be meaningful they are meant to grind for levelling and shit. This guy shouldn’t give his bullshit opinions, coz they don’t make sense at all.

[@PrettyGoodSamuel]

Driving is broken because you literally cannot turn. Like what's wrong with the vehicles in this game that they can just barely turn. On top of that the mini map is so zoomed in that you miss every turn you have to take. On top of that the combination of not knowing you have to turn until you're passing it *AND* not being able to turn... Who tested this game and didn't realise this?

[@DMasta718]

Blessing sound like he never been around hispanics

[@solidkwon]

Haha yea seriously

[@IowanLawman]

Keanu Reeves carried the fucking game. He's an asshole at the start but once you get through the story you get to understand him and both of you get to become friends. Without him, I don't think this game would be even mediocre at all.

[@realtooch]

Surprise, Imran doesn't like a video game...

[@PaxBritannia]

"Cyberpunk needs to be way more progressive" It's a dystopia. It's not meant to be progressive. Everything has gone to shit.

[@DefaultDanielS]

the people who played from polygon should put more than 20 hours in game and then will meet trans people ,I am talking about 46:30

[@kingslomo6538]

Maybe you don’t have many Mexican friends blessing but it is very common for us to just you know randomly speak Spanish to our non Spanish speaking friends. It’s a kind of like trigger not in a bad way. But like a trigger to speak our language to our friends.

[@digitaldocking]

The “Greg hates PC” bit is getting a bit tired. Just saying ❤️

[@jgons]

@gameovergreggy I felt the same way... Corpo path was such a lie. we immediately get ripped to being a street kid with less connections.

[@lungfulldrummer8921]

It's the same with nomad.

[@Sam-sd5si]

Yeah I was pretty disappointed with this at first too but using the dialouge when applicable helps. It's enough (personally) for me for RPing but not really substantial in game.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Seems like street kid was the right choice.

[@Kubush1]

All these bugs is the result of them trying to make the game work on Consoles aka Toys for kids and tech illiterate dads. Time to let consoles die for gaming to truly thrive.

[@geoff9169]

This is one of the best stories in ages and all we are talking about is technical issues. I feel horrible for the devs. Having to release a game, during a pandemic, on SIX different platforms is utterly insane.

[@VIP_World]

I would have felt bad if they did not actively deceive consumers.

[@DillonintheDetails]

They had all the time in the world. This is incompetence, straight up.

[@theyoungjawn]

@@VIP_World the developers didn’t dupe consumers. The CEO did.

[@asgiov]

I agree with you, but the marketing should have set better expectations. If they just advertised the game and focused development on next gen... but just basically said they would work hard to make it playable on last gen as a sort of 'olive branch'... and delayed last gen until it was "ready". people would have been WAY WAY more forgiving... Then they could have timed it and released it with PS5, Series X and been one of the best next gen launch titles ever... but instead they ended up spending a lot of time optimizing and fixing a really poor version of the game... and I'm sure that hurt the progress on bug fixes on PC as well. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@asgiov Since they released the E3 2018 footage I said to myself, "this is a next gen game, no way that's going to run on current gen" and damn it hurts to be right.

[@tb-3036]

There's so much stuff this game doesn't get right and still it feels like best thing I've ever played.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

The actual game itself is great it just suffers from a lot of technical issues

[@ChiiBomb]

Had the reviewers actually played the game fully they’d know there is actual trans representation in the game! One of the supporting side characters is trans! Wtf

[@d0bbs]

Barrett you already passed the title card, I think. It happened to me too on console. I never got one, but got it on pc. Side note playing it on both pc and console seems to be different? As in I see stuff I never saw on console. Not in a graphical way, but like cars and guns. Many I didn’t see or showed up much later in my play through. I was in the same areas or missions at a similar point in my play through. It just seems like there is more on pc. Can’t really explain it. It’s just this weird thing I noticed. Completely different game on PC as opposed to console.

[@michael23fly]

Am I the only on who got Jackies bike after my car got destroyed by delamain? Right when u leave the apt for the 1st time, Jackie's mom says for u to come over. I did bc I felt sad about what happened to Jackie. They all were frustrated with not having a vehicle to get around the city.

[@PMTCards]

I wonder imrans taste in stuff just doesn’t like the cyberpunk setting. I’m not saying that in a negative way, it’s one of my things that I’m concerned about cause outside of the bugs I think the game looks awesome, but I don’t actually love that setting. Wonder if the story will be impacted by my disinterest in the style/setting

[@alan9tails148]

I love Parris' sober, clear, coherent and concise contributions.

[@achafilms3968]

some of you say deep complex game? its totally the opposite: The live megabuildings we were promised, there are only a couple you can enter and all of them are 1 or 2 stories only. Cyberware is extremely limited and bland. There are no police chases, you can move 1 block away and all your crimes against humanity are forgiven. Most the side content is just go there kill every bad guy get your eddies. There's very little to do in the game world outside of quests in general. There are no factions or karma systems.. and the list goes on... I only feel night city alive when interacting with a main character, as NPCS interactions are a joke. Bugs might be fixed in time, how will they make this game a real DEEP RPG as they said it would be?

[@CameronKen]

I am so happy Parris jumped back to the previous conversation hahah. Watching him clearly want to say something for like 10 minutes then someone else jumping in every time was killing me. Really great episode, everyone clearly was dying to talk about this game and it's nice to hear about all these criticisms in terms of what the game's messages are, what the writers and developers are trying to convey, and how they may have failed there instead of just talk about bugs and being more linear than expected (although those are important too).

[@lungfulldrummer8921]

I'm playing on base ps4 and am having very few technical gripes with the game. It's has bugs and glitches but it's running ok. I picked to play as a nomad because i wanted to discover night city as an outsider. Only to find out that I don't even get to drive to night city and see it for the first time along with V. In fact I felt like I missed the first 6 months of v's time there. It was just skipped through in that montage. Why wouldn't I have been given that experience as the player as an introduction to the mechanics and night city? Sleeping on your buddies couch until I made enough money for my own apartment for instance. By doing small missions as the story ramped up. The city for as cool as it looks feels like set dressing for the story. Much like it did in L.A noir. Outside of shooting and shopping there's very little interaction. London in watchdogs legion felt more alive. And I didn't think i would be able to say that. In the end I'm doing a Gregg and playing it like it's an update of the fallout game series.

[@olischues]

This is gonna be a good one!

[@tripandfall2379]

Teskbf

[@joshuamatos5053]

You should have Paris Lil more often!!!!

[@Ryancharles35]

1:03:40 Imran, you can sell all junk at a vendor. There's a hotkey for it, on console it's LS

[@refugee522studios]

Nope it's the games fault he didn't notice something I figured out the first time I went to a vender. Imran is kinda high on his horse sometimes.

[@westinbye]

This has made me so hyped for this game still waiting for the next gen patch, I figure by then they will.have more of this fixed.

[@SachinJames89]

Driving is fine, you guys need to get right vehicles for it... each of them have different handling...

[@Alex_Logan22]

I don't know if Cyberpunk 2020 has rich source material to leverage outside of abundant lore, but I know The Witcher games were so good because of that and not necessarily cause of CD's writers. They weren't adapting critically acclaimed novels this time, just a table top game.

[@ToastyBunsMcGee]

Personally, I love it. I’m also playing it on a Series X and I understand that I’m in the minority here. Based on what I’ve seen, I’d be very pissed if I bought this for a base model Xbox or PlayStation. So, there’s a lot of people who have a very valid reason to hate it.

[@stereoflava2788]

Parris saying he's coming from the W3 and finding a correlation between the main quest urgency and sidequests not making sense. In Witcher 3 main quest was urgent the entire time after the prologue yet you could do side quests irrelevant to it for HOURS. I don't get this argument from him at all. This game ain't any different than W3 in that regard.

[@marcello696]

I wasnt comparing that directly to W3, what Im saying is Cp77 main story you have to resolve ASAP but you can completely ignore it but then you go back and do a main story and its all of a sudden urgent again

[@kingko6512]

I get that YOU might perceive it the lack of social commentary a certain way and feel they needed more BUT consider how ridiculous it is to be critiquing writing not on its merits but on whether its virtuous enough.

[@scarlet8078]

I love Tim's voice, although I find it hilarious when I see him on these video podcasts & notice he has that 'health glow' to his face as if he's been chasing his Adderall with Red Bull & vodka. 😁

[@KylePezzolla]

When you lose your car you just steal one or a motorcycle. You don’t have to run across the map. I had that same thought but then I stole one from a gang. Also, people won’t speak differently 57 years from now, I disagree and it’s something I really like about the world. People spoke differently in 1963. and even know in my mid 30s working at a k-12 school, I feel old everyday haha kids with their slang haha

[@Saugerdees]

You need a certain amount of strength points to be able to hijack cars.

[@KylePezzolla]

@@Saugerdees I don’t have the strength points but you can just take the cars or bikes that are near the little gang meetings. it’s very satisfying

[@BlazerManiacNumber96]

I, for one, am really enjoying Cyberpunk

[@infinitecorpze]

It's so funny that y'all had a whole moment about losing your car and I literally didn't even notice until that fake out and I was just like Oh. I guess I don't have a car.

[@dylanlloyd4657]

Pretty obvious you guys dont play table top games. Unfortunate because a lot of the stuff you're complaining about is what you want out of a translation of the tabletop game to video game.

[@brentgalloway1053]

I understand what you’re saying here, but keep in mind that a majority of the people playing this game probably haven’t touched let alone heard that it comes from a table top RPG myself included. Gamers shouldn’t have to an understanding of the lore coming into this game, and the developers really should take that into consideration. I’m only five hours into the game and I’m hoping the history of the world is out there I’m collectibles or something.

[@dylanlloyd4657]

@@brentgalloway1053 yeah understandable but hearing people saying I'm not liking how the build or playstyle I'm trying to play as is going when they are admitting they aren't playing it well then just killing everyone isn't great. If you want to play thats great but it's not the games fault if you fail at it. Granted I completely understand that the game is buggy as hell and there are justifiable issues that need/can be talked about. 20 mins of i fucked up and I dont like how it went isn't one though.

[@Redswipe]

The start is pretty linear and it took 3 or 4 hours to really get going for me but I've now put 40+ hours into it so far and am loving it . Playing on PC and have only had minor visual bugs like text sticking on screen after a convo has ended or items floating in the air.

[@TheAssassinAK47]

This review just shows how much better of a game Red Dead 2 is. Just about all the NPCs have lots of dialogue and feel like their own person. Often leads to many side quests as well. Way more polished. Less bugs. Better story in my opinion. Better characters. The world feels more alive and more detailed, and it’s a fucking western lol. I really hope Greg gives RDR2 another go. I know he didn’t like Arthur and the whole outlaw thing, it’s much more than that when you play through the game. I love the complex nature of Arthur’s character. Really loved him in the end. Way more compelling than V, but yes of course cyberpunk is supposed to more of a RPG, so I get that. So far I feel like Red Dead 2 had a lot more moving parts going on in the world than this does, and it played great on PS4. Anyways sorry for this long rant lol

[@TheRyRob]

Loved seeing Parris on the show. And I feel like I fall somewhere between Greg and Parris on how I feel about this game. I’ve put in a lot of hours into this game and I love it. It just sucks that the discourse around the game distracts from a lot of the good things about Cyberpunk.

[@ArsenalCats]

Tim is such a snob

[@digit861]

He's typically the guy I disagree with the most. I was surprised he enjoyed this. Most movie reviews I get annoyed with him, whereas I love Nick and how Nick discusses his subjective views.

[@HAL1138]

Everyone (even if your not a pc player) should check out the pc mods that are already fixing problems CDPR somehow couldn’t. Free mods created without pay fixing issues in a week!

[@LuminfalVids]

I think this game proves review sites should be giving an Artistic and Technical review. Technically this game is a fucking mess. PC and especially console. AI is trash, crashes, bugs, frame drops, texture pop-in, terrible AI random conversations. I play on PS5 and I do like the game, which makes the technical fiasco a fucking disaster. No matter how much I enjoy the game, I have not once recommended the game. Artistic reviews will allow the more ‘subjective’ review to be shown and still give you an attachment to certain reviewers (if you have the same preferences), but he technical can and should be objective. There can be very little to argue about in a ‘Technical’ review.

[@dereksmidl8352]

I actually really respect Greg for giving us a console debate while naturally everyone else played the best version on a suped-up 3k computer lol instead. And hence can't actually talk about the real problems with the game considering the downgrade to console. ✌

[@9lives313]

It’s a fun game, but definitely disappointing. I had a lot of faith in CDPR but I feel betrayed by them. I have hope they’ll fix things but like Parris said, they hid the base console versions from us and most of us have base consoles. 2020 has been such a letdown smh.

[@Ocean5ix]

I'm also in love with the game playing the PS4 version on the PS5. I know it's not an excuse for how buggy and glitchy it is but I was born and molded by Bethesda games so even though I have to restart the game every 2 hours (because it crashes) I don't feel like I'm fighting the game that much. Aside from these crashes I haven't seen too many crazy bugs, just the usual stuff that is present in 99% of games like clipping, a janky ragdoll here and there. Haven't had T-posing models, haven't had the "dialog on top of dialog" problem. So yea, in technical terms it's like a Bethesda launch but 10 times better which means it's still a bad launch but not THAT bad in my experience. If someone stole my copy I'd spend the 60 dollars again, that's how much I like it and how acceptable I think the bugs have been for me. Also, as someone who had a mediocre PC and a base PS4 until last week when I booted the game on the PS5 and saw that it runs at 60 fps for 98% of the time my mind was blown. Actually, changing subjects, as I mentioned above I didn't have a PS4 Pro and man... the PS5 really is making me revisit A LOT of PS4 games in 60fps.