What Went Wrong With Cyberpunk 2077 - Kinda Funny Games Daily 01.18.21

[@DionysusJones]

Big ups to Tim for pushing back on Schreier's reporting. While it's true that he can sometimes be a positive force for change in the industry; it is also his career and livelihood. So make no mistake that Schreier has an agenda. This "brand" of reporting is how he makes his money. Be a critical reader.

[@dmtgallardo]

Blessing ... Adeoye ............ 𝒥 𝒰 𝒩 𝐼 𝒪 𝑅

[@flhla_g1]

Yee yee 4ss

[@JimmyDoogs]

Amazing

[@JimmyDoogs]

@@crewkonnor3434 who you taking to bro?

[@AssassinateThisEzio]

The problem is that CDPR made an entire build for the demo that had features and mechanics that are just absent from the entire game, and not just a few things, there are huge lists on their forums and long videos about it. People at first thought that these missing mechanics were cut from the game but the fact (according to the article) is that they never were designed for the game in the first place. Whether these "missing" features were intentionally left out of the game or not the studio spent the time and money on marketing to show off the game, people just want a clear answer to if the heads planned to over hype the game just so they could under deliver later to make development easier since they had no structure or no idea how to properly develop the game. All the blame goes on to the management and anyone who says Journalists or developers like the QA team didn't do their due diligence is already eating up the lies spread by both Marcin and Adam in their responses.

[@AssassinateThisEzio]

@@HermanFalckHow Comparing graphical differences in Spider-man's and Watch Dogs demos isn't the same thing as this though. The "demo" of Cyberpunk has a lot of core mechanics missing from the actual game and not even small mechanic changes such as including Skellige in the overall map as the example you provided. CDPR straight up showed off a prototype of the game and passed it off as a demo. It sounds like they started just building the world and started scripting the story together then tackled in the main game play mechanics as a second thought.

[@V.elociraptor]

@@HermanFalckHow Graphical downgrades, like a puddle looking slightly worse, and the complete removal of multiple gameplay mechanics are not the same thing. Watch Dogs is a more comparable situation because the differences between it's release and initial trailers were massive, but even in that case, the changes were largely cosmetic. Spider-Man and The Last of Us don't compare and the situation with Cyberpunk is much, much more problematic than any of the above.

[@DethCoveredHoneyBuns]

"It's icky" - Tim Gettys. I don't know why that made me laugh so much.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Because he’s a 40 year old man using a word that 12 year old girls use?

[@awill891]

Tim: says anything Blessing: no-yeah, right-like, yeah-no, like-right right-like right-like, no yeah

[@BigKurzMD]

Imagine spending your time watching video game podcasts and caring about stupid shit like this

[@awill891]

Imagine spending your time replying to comments on video game podcasts and caring about stupid shit like this

[@BigKurzMD]

@@awill891 good one. Well done.

[@BigKurzMD]

@@mk-qm3qk you guys have a great day.

[@BigKurzMD]

@@mk-qm3qk nah you guys are just confused.if you want eloquent prose, go read a book. This is a video game podcast. And y'all are just complaining about trivial things.

[@angrytacos5497]

The difference between sony giving uncharted to a new studio and ms continuing halo and gears is as tim stated, sony has many other studios in the fold that keep churning out new ip. This happened in both the 7th and 8th gen and will likely continue this gen. Xbox might be changing that now with all their talent but they still relied on halo and gears for too long which is why they were ran into the ground.

[@Tsweezey90]

My dream is that the SD studio is rebooting Syphon Filter

[@GUNSLINGEREIRE]

Damn, Blessing is on fire with hosting.

[@Baytuh]

Even though i think Cyberpunk 2077 is a great game this sounds a lot like that "Bioware Magic" that Jason talked about in his How BioWare's Anthem Went Wrong article from 2019. I wonder how many developers and publishers have that type of mindset?

[@metronicmagician1816]

I am very curious how prevalent this is with game developers/publishers since this seems to happen constantly to those that the games community holds high. Like currently Supergiant Games is in this community fan favorite spot, and I’m curious how long that will stick.

[@tjk_9000]

Bless, to answer "how should we market video games"...the answer is simply "later". Wait until they're closer to completion to start sharing with the public. We've slowly inched farther away from launch windows when talking about marketing. Marketing budgets have outgrown development budgets. It's ridiculous.

[@rudecold]

The huge thing with the CDPR marketing was not just trailers etc but the whole merchandising of Cyberpunk & giving influencers so much free stuff including gaming chairs so Cyberpunk was literally everywhere. The amount of people I saw buying so much merch before even playing the game was crazy

[@magnusalexander2965]

The new Sony studio was initially built to create TV shows of the big Sony games, using animation created in-engine. The programmers had been part of Sony's support-team that all their studios used for graphics and tech-support. The decision was made that these shows didn't have an audience, and the talent was put on game design instead. They got the go-ahead because Shawn Layden was keen on doing Sony remakes, but that doesn't mean the game eventually ended up being a remake. The guy who's linkedIn everyone's analyzing said all of this himself here, and gave a detailed description of how the studio was founded: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJjUkKWej9x3nq8

[@mtsoupcan]

Glad they get into it right away now

[@safealone1204]

You mean you don't like amateur comedy hour?

[@auberginedreams00]

Fr sometimes it’s like 10+ mins of them talking about their personal lives

[@jeremiahlamb3100]

I don't missed directs , I love indie showcases and induvial games directs. If they have monthly partner showcases will be pretty cool.

[@jeremyvillaroman6062]

i really really liked cyberpunk 2077 (played on ps5) but with its many issues i cant defend it

[@scarlet8078]

Yea, my brother loves it & it looks amazing on his gaming PC. Tbh it has the best graphics I've ever seen, but I was disappointed since it wasn't really RPG. Like... Vee's customization seemed superficial & I couldn't really play as a stealthy nonlethal corpo chick. It's a linear story we play as tough-guy Vee with edgy bro Johnny in his head. Folks who like that particular story will enjoy it tho

[@Ruddy_Games]

yeah i put about 30 hours on ps5 and for the most part it ran ok. But since the latest patch the crashes / bugs are happening even more often so I have decided to stop playing and play something more polished.

[@jeremyvillaroman6062]

@@Ruddy_Games i got over 100hrs and a platinum trophy from cyberpunk lol

[@jeremyvillaroman6062]

@@scarlet8078 besides the bugs my biggest issues were some underdeveloped aspects of the game. the cops, certain storylines ending right when it was getting good, other gameplay stuff, etc. i really wished another year of development was given to this game... but like i said i still enjoyed my time with the game in its current state

[@ju908]

decent humans dont make great businessmen.....

[@SIDNITE12]

Imagine being so contrived that you brag about getting 9s and 10s in reviews while also getting your game removed from the PlayStation store

[@Ruddy_Games]

I didn't really see it as bragging, just pointing out that the game is fundamentally good and that people complaining about removed systems and stuff are going overboard. But I guess I can see how it can be taken as bragging when really they should be just on pure apology mode.

[@gamemaster2192]

who cares

[@zodiac909]

Tim WELL on his way to becoming Gerard Butler..

[@vanharbi2438]

for almost 15 years I buy and play most anticipated games of each year. for the first time I stopped myself I actually forbidden it to buy Cyberpunk.

[@vanharbi2438]

@@HermanFalckHow nah

[@knoxashford7680]

Love the idea that Badowski thinks that launch wasn’t a disaster

[@prettyhatemachine101]

If the press aren't allowed to play a demo it's not a "demo." The press should stop using that term if that's the case. It should be called a "presentation."

[@Deanolegacy]

Well not really, demo derived from demonstration. The presentation they are giving is the demonstration. It's messy and I see what you're saying but really I think they should be called concept demos

[@prettyhatemachine101]

@@Deanolegacy Yes, I know where the word demo comes from. As gamers I just think we understand that to mean something a little different. When you download a game demo, you are getting to play it yourself, you're not watching someone else play it in a tightly curated presentation. The term has been been used in that context for decades, back when we used to get demo discs with our print gaming magazines. The press should understand their audience as gamers and seek to precisely describe their experience to gamers. If you don't like the word presentation, that's fine, but they should really draw some kind of distinction from the word "demo" as most gamers understand it. "Hands on demo" is a more commonly used distinction, but I think a more aggressive distinction is necessary.

[@Deanolegacy]

@@prettyhatemachine101 The whole point was that it was a behind closed doors E3 demo and we as gamers did not get to download it? Your whole tangent about demo discs isn't really relevant because we as gamers were not able to play the Cyberpunk demo in any capacity? I don't personally find that hard to understand..

[@prettyhatemachine101]

@@Deanolegacy The writer of the article should precisely describe Their experience to us the reader. They did not play a demo in the traditional gamer sense of the word. My point was to enhance my explanation of what we as gamers understand “demo” to mean. We don’t really need to go back and forth on this, I don’t even understand what your motivation is in challenging this. It seems like you’re just trying to be argumentative without contributing to coming up with a solution. At any rate, thanks for your interest in my comment.

[@Deanolegacy]

@@prettyhatemachine101 I did just say in the first comment. Maybe they could refer to it as a "concept demo". Unless the writer states "hands on demo" or says something along the lines of "my time with..." then it's safe to assume that they were shown the game? I just feel like you're in the minority but who knows.

[@mickrandles9364]

Am I the only one in the world that put over 100+ hours into CyberPunk, got the platinum trophy and loved every fucking minute of it with only a hand full of bugs? - played on PS5 to be fair, but only real problem I had were crashes. But the trade off for enjoyment was worth it for me, personally. I for one, can't wait for more content and bummed that the shitty launch on last-gen has delayed any of that 😫😂 big love best friends.

[@Uppernorwood976]

If you enjoyed it that’s great. I guess it also depends on what your toleration level is. Personally I think it’s completely unacceptable for a game to crash a console once, let alone regularly. My PS4 crashed maybe 3 times in the 7 years I’ve owned it. I get that PC’s may crash when you are running different software and mods etc as it’s so complex, but consoles should not.

[@SamButler22]

Holly Valance was in Dead or Alive, the Aussie popstar from the "naked" music video

[@TheLurMan1]

I just wish there was a bigger conversation about how even if CP2077 came out without a single glitch, it still wouldn't be the game CDPR advertised it to be, and would still have been some degree of disappointing.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Not gonna happen while you have sites like IGN giving the PC version a 9 and calling it a “deep RPG”, which in reality is a flat out lie because the game is about as deep as a puddle and barely an RPG at all.

[@noahgreenhouse]

This is my favorite comment so far. I beat the game 2 weeks ago and I barely remember what the story was about. Menwhile, im pretty sure I can recite The Witcher 3 story line at this point.

[@kennyg664]

I think it's as simple as saying that all of us, the average consumers, the "gamers", and the media got swept up in believing CDPRs bullshit that they were different. They are not.

[@Omegaslashbuster1]

Can’t want for a new PlayStation Studio.

[@sergioscouchtime3737]

I’m liking the way Tim looks like, mans just good looking

[@jeremyvanwalsh1429]

Imagine this show was discussing a Big Mac billboard vs a Big Mac in real life?

[@Bfr3shBrian]

Listening to this while I grind for Cyberpunk’s platinum lol. It has issues but I’m in love with this game.

[@412JFury]

Me too... Masterpiece

[@MorpheusZer0]

"What got you here, will not get you there..."

[@aarons.2323]

Sean Murray and Hello Games were heavily criticized when they didn't speak about No Man's Sky launch AT ALL. For months. And when they finally did speak up again, it was only to say "Hey, we're making some changes." Then people understood that they were quiet because they were trying to fix what happened, and not to open themselves up to further scrunity. Maybe CDPR needs to take a page from that book, take the hits that they deserve, and if and when a game-changing patch comes for Cyberpunk, THAT is when they should finally speak up. People say they're "never going to forgive them!" which I think is kind of overblown. If CDPR just shuts up and gives us something better by the end of the year, a lot of people would forgive them. Not everyone, but a lot. But instead, they keep trying to defend themselves and it just seems like nobody knows what "public relations" means at that studio. They just keep digging that hole.

[@thedude2596]

Love Jason and his work to change the industry by looking on problems, but, for a guy working on games, the statement of : The demo was fake..., it's a little bit some clickbait, maybe by Jason or other outlets just push the narrative for the clicks. First of all, if you check the 2018 E3 demo, sure a lot of things have changed, it's the way games are made. But, the map is almost the same, the mission structure is almost the same and more. All those elements are in the final product, so I don't call this fake, it's just really early developpement. It"s just sad to see how every outlet is trying to pick apart CDPR for some things that are just normal in creating a big project. The bigger questions outlets should put the light on are on the crunch (once again), Junior devs just gaining 700$/per month in a fucking expansive country like Poland, not listening to employees enough and much more. Plus, all the games (or big project and movies) comes together in the last 8-6 month, most of the time. The issue is more about reveal and tease games years to early and this is a whole industry issue, not just CDPR. If people want representative demo of games, compagnies should do promotions the Fallout 4 way. For remember, the game was 7 years in production, show at E3 for the first time and release 5 month after. So, the demo was really just the game almost finish. And finally, about the marketing, I think the biggest error of CDPR with Cyberpunk is ALL the branding and promotion they put around the game. I seen maybe 20 or more thing being Cyberpunk branded for pomotion months prior to the release (Chairs, graphic cards, consoles, headphones, mouse, custom pc, comics and more). Sure, this is not devs doing this, but most of the time compagnies ask the guys in charge of the UI-UX (Graphic designers) to work on those things and it take time. Plus, the execs spend way more time doing this than listening to the employees about the game. In the end, I'm sure all the intentions were good at CDPR, but the game and the hype became way to much too handle for a studio that was kinda small even at the time of Witcher 3 release. They saw all opportunities and they forgot the focus being the GAME.

[@edge1710]

What use is a review of a game when you pre order a game halve a year in advance. People should stop doing that. It's not necessary anymore to pre order in this digital download age.

[@scarlet8078]

Agreed. IMO a better model of purchase is how Larian Studio is doing Baldur Gate 3, letting people buy Early Access if they want to try the pre-release version. I think" Early Access" in games could be handled similarly to how we release "Beta" versions in other types of software, where we enable existing customers to try the Beta & provide feedback that helps our development process.

[@Ruddy_Games]

I think the only reason is spoilers and to feel part of the conversation. But i stupidly pre ordered cyberpunk because i had placed such faith in CD projekt after being treated so well with witcher 3. Now my faith in any company is gone I think.

[@edge1710]

@@Ruddy_Games Yes and the bonus things I still get tempted to pre order last one was FF7Remake ( I wanted a physical copy), but I try not to, or pre order a day before after getting a sense of the game from reviews

[@Cindroper]

All these bugs and UI issues are mostly the same ones from the Witcher 3 launch. Nobody seems to mention that.

[@imacmccormick]

In regards to the demo, every frame of that demo has a watermark noting that it is not representative of the final product. I am not defending CDPR for all the flak they are getting, but that demo was more clear than 90% of other game demos in communicating it's work in progress status.

[@MrRidred]

Tim ghettys straight up looking like Gerard Butler

[@cephasmarc85]

Mixed with Shia LaBeouf

[@R0MULUS97]

Greg Miller looks like the type of guy who would be upset if someone said something mean about his wife's boyfriend

[@skthechef8075]

We still talking about Cyberpunk 😂

[@SamButler22]

I don't usually pre-order games. I only trusted 2 devs; CDPR and Paradox, but I still didn't pre-order on faith alone. (Paradox's CK3 is on gamepass, so I didn't have to order that at all) I pre-ordered Cyberpunk and THPS, but only after Blessing and Tim had said they were legit. Both cases you based your recommendation on what the publishers had given you. Activision were honest and CDPR were not. Activision aren't beloved and Tim had been burnt before so he was skeptical, and I was too, but they nailed it. Whereas CDPR have always said the right thing so we trusted them. Blessing got hands on over streaming and it was pre-release so I completely understand giving them the benefit of the doubt. If they genuinely didn't know the PS4 version was fucked, they would have let Blessing play that and he would have said this things is definitely not ready. They knew and they lied, and they continue to lie. I'm really disappointed.

[@monstercameron]

23:40 I take offense to this sentiment, you guys build a community and have massive influence in how the community sees things, it the influencer isn't skeptical or portrays the possible caveats how is it on the listener to do so? Wield your influence wisely and don't be lazy in a job where trust is the capital

[@charoleawood]

Until a pundit tells you to straight-up buy or pre-order a game then their first impressions of a game being good are just first impressions. It is not on them to produce the games they bring impressions on, we all saw the footage they saw from E3 2018 and so we're all in the same boat here, you can't lay the blame on Kind of Funny if you saw and were impressed by the same preview content but didn't check your hype by reminding yourself that this isn't final. If Watchdogs didn't teach you to check your hype then Kind of Funny can't do it either. There was plenty of skepticism about how this was going to run on PS4 and Xbox One, none of these guys was claiming that the 2018 footage was of a game running on those systems, Kind of Funny and other outlets were very clear that this demo was running on a PC.

[@monstercameron]

@@charoleawood Influencers have a massive sway over their audience, all I'm saying is that influencers should be good shepherds for their flock.

[@charoleawood]

@@monstercameron I'm not an influencer's sheep, I saw the footage they saw from 2018 and was impressed by it as a PC game, not as a PS4 or Xbox One game. No pundit that I tune into has ever indicated that this footage was running on PS4 or Xbox One and if they had said so I'd have unsubscribed from them because that gameplay was clearly from a PC demonstration.

[@monstercameron]

@@charoleawood I dont think you understand metaphors

[@chubbs7872]

They should have done an outer worlds. Make a new engine. Get used to the physics and first person perspective. But make a smaller game that acts like a large vertical slice of your concept. See what the reception is. Get feedback on what works and what doesn’t. THEN make your huge cyberpunk ambition in the sequel.

[@chubbs7872]

Now, they should do an Anthem. Scrap your roadmap that was made for a universe where the game came out mostly done with more manageable bug fixes. Scrap your plans for DLC, whether free or certainly if they’re paid. Scrap the ridiculous notion of any sort of online mode for obvious reasons. Now take the skeleton of your game and work from there to create the game it was supposed/ should be. I don’t know if Bioware is planning on charging for whatever drastic redo they’re quietly planning but for cyberpunk not being a games as a service with micro transactions, they’ll most likely have to charge some higher price. Maybe at this point call it cyberpunk 2078 or whatever. Market it as a sequel that’s really the game this one should have been.

[@IamYasha10]

LESSON: Don't be easily hyped and swayed by Demos and trailers. Sure it's nice but this should be a lesson to everyone. Do not believe at anything you see. Believe it when you have actually played the game.

[@SamButler22]

I learnt that years ago, but once they get the game into the hands of someone I trust, Blessing, and they say it's legit I'm usually on board. Just in this case CDPR lied to his face and he did his best with what he has been given.

[@jonlee6774]

700 dollars a month for one of the developers? Wtf. That’s horrible.

[@infinitysynthesis]

They got too arrogant and cocky. I'm glad they're not being let off the hook so easy. Let this be a lesson to other game publishers.

[@infinitysynthesis]

@@HermanFalckHow lol well you tried but i have to give you a fail for that reply. You get a bronze star : P

[@jdonde12]

Been waiting for this story

[@VIP_World]

Bugs and crashes aside, the content of the game itself is nothing special/groundbreaking. Sad, since I bought into the hype.

[@JoshMarshain]

This is unfortunately being lost in the sea of bugs, the game itself doesn't succeed at what it wants to, and they seemed to have gotten lost in the hype themselves rather than focusing on the right things, they wanted to make a revolutionary and genre defying open world rpg, even if this games technical issues were polished out, mechanically and systematically the game falls short. I didn't personally buy into the hype on the grounds of 1. Not huge on FPS games and 2. Seemed like there was a lot of fluff with little substance

[@chrisbroad2689]

Conversation around cyberpunk is so weird with how people are saying this is completely out of left field for CDProject Red. Outside of straight up lying about the console releases (which is such a despicable thing to do) all the other problems of the game are just more extreme versions of problems with the Witcher games. Witcher one needed a definitive edition to make the game even playable (and it’s still extremely unstable). Witcher 2 and 3 were buggy and had the same practices as going into cyberpunk. The only difference is how hard it failed this time (and this is from a person that loves the Witcher franchise)

[@billyocean28]

I unistalled it yesterday after I realized that I havent had the urge to play it again after I beat the main story mission weeks ago

[@Konstantinoskosmas]

Guys, demos are just like a BicMac ad... Eventually you do get a BicMac, but not so polished, not so structured. All the ingredients are somewhat there but in no way like the Ad... Not making excuses for anyone - I've played the game on Series X (plays great mostly) - but it is very rare to see an actual demo completely implemented with all the bells and whistles in a game.

[@MrBungle222]

As much as I miss the crew in the studio; one of the best things about WFH restrictions that you guys have adapted to with the being able to have anyone from the crew to join the show on a moments notice like with Imran during the Cyberpunk segment. It works super well. Thank you Kevdog and SadBoy for doing what you're doing .

[@christiangroff7116]

A game about squirrels seeking terrorism for their precious nuts. XD

[@morbonic15]

They should not present a videogame demo or gameplay until the game is 75%-80% complete or even more. They need to present a legit gameplay form the actual finished product, or at least almost finished game. The hype train is a huge trap for consumers and companies capitalize on the hype, it even looks that it is the new norm.

[@SensaiChill]

Every Playstation Studio is a AAA action adventure 3rd person studio outside of GT & MLB. I'd be more surprised if they invested in something different.

[@HypeVectorPrime]

Yo, whoever was saying that the car chases were in cyberpunk as advertised needs to get his head checked. First off there are 3 or 4 total chases in the game and they are all completely scripted and have no fail state. Second, the demo leads one to believe that those chases are dynamic and happen based on your actions for or against a particular gang. There is no factions system and gangs dont track your affiliation in any way, there are no dynamic car chases in the game whatsoever. In fact the AI isn't even capable of driving at all outside of scripted sequences.

[@jameslubrano8606]

I know sooooo many people are upset with CyberPunk. I have my fair share of complaints about it, but I still enjoy it. Sure, the driving is terrible. Sure, the gameplay mechanics are terrible at several moments (I love when you're walking around and suddenly fall into the endless pit), its still playable. Hopefully, they learn from their mistakes and start updating it. I look back to how No Man Sky was when it originally came out. That game was beyond trash and now, the developers have done an incredible job with it. One can only hope CD can do the same.

[@legendhunter32]

tim, i’m your biggest fan

[@blaze2293]

A demo should show what’s in the game. Then when you buy the game you get more. A demo should not be a lie or this is what we want the game to be

[@RedSpy47]

That entire 48-min sequence is in the game though? It plays out ever so slightly differently and the ui has changed but I definitely played that entire mission as they showed it. The issue is that "demo" has more than one meaning in the industry. Almost no companies release demos as you're referring to them anymore, playable and a few months before release. That's essentially what pre-order betas have become. But demos can also be tech demos which this one was literally, and I don't think that was made clear enough. It was behind closed doors, 2 years prior to release, with a WIP tag across the bottom of it the entire time. Any understanding of game development tells you that things change in 2 whole years. As Tim and Imran said, reporters should do more to make that clearer but as a retail worker I can tell you that tons of consumers won't ever bother to do any research regardless so it won't ever matter.

[@blaze2293]

@@RedSpy47 When you put out a demo that’s what I expect from the game, if not you lie. If it’s a tech demo don’t show it until you can do it.

[@RedSpy47]

@@blaze2293 IDK what to tell you? That's marketing? You're suggesting that no developer should ever show off a game until it's gone gold a month or two until release? Because they're all working on their games with things subject to change until it's gold. Also you realize it's no one's fault but your own that you expected an old demo to be frame for frame the same as the game that releases 2 years later. Maybe you haven't played it but this entire mission plays out exactly as it does in the demo, including the branching paths to finish it different ways. They didn't release a demo for people to play or try and then release a game vastly different from that which it sounds like your accusing them of.

[@RedSpy47]

@@blaze2293 you should just avoid game news till after they've released if you think this is a viable strategy for companies who often use customer feedback /input to improve the game that they're making.

[@blaze2293]

@@RedSpy47 Yes, don’t show your game until it’s done.Show a trailer, then it’s out now. If showing the investors show them in private. I am willing to wait to make it the best game It can be.

[@safealone1204]

Drink every time Blessing says "quote". Seriously guys, chill out when it comes to reading other peoples work to us.

[@vrlsharma3]

I think Gaming media (including YOU ) is also a problem here. Overall the road to a game is covered like crazy. The trailers/screenshots/speculations and hyping it up to an unexpected level. Ofcourse CD project RED made a huge mess out of it but I must say that the media coverage of it has also a part to play in it !!!

[@stuartbagley2586]

It also ends up being a game of telephone. One site says something then another site paraphrases what the first site says and so on and so forth. By the time a story ends up on KZbin, it’s often wrong.

[@vrlsharma3]

@@stuartbagley2586 totally agree ! I would say having too many gaming media houses creating this much hype in the beginning and then act like this was all studios fault isn't helping too. I'm sure they are genuine fans of gaming but this is a big slap to all those ppl who declared cyberpunk game of the year before even playing it !

[@mtgpleb6299]

Ah yes, the gospel of Jason Schreier and his anonymous sources

[@Rooney87]

I just read Adam Badowski whole message. It's very poor. The line about 9 and 10s felt so arrogant, look at the 10/10s we got. In the next sentence he brings up the bugs, they know the PC isn't perfect either yet had no issue bragging about the 10s it got. To end that paragraph by saying that's not what I would call disastrous is bad. Tim mentioned the line about 20 sources, thats actually good work but the reply just comes of as so pretty.

[@thefxplays7450]

@@HermanFalckHow What Jason said were also facts. They got their ass called out, so they came at him with "just look at our 9s and 10s" man, AND they dont even bring up the majority of what Jason called them out for. This doesn't look good at all for CD lmao

[@michaelandrews117]

@@HermanFalckHow Mate you're jumping from comment to comment defending a company who straight up lied to you and then pretended they didn't know about the issues on consoles, after *hiding* the console versions before release and not allowing them to be reviewed prior to the game's selling date. Then this jackass comes out and says "These issues didn't show up in the testing" essentially throwing the QA team under the bus. Let me tell you something as a former QA tester: These issues were *known* by the developers, the QA team, the management, and Jabowski himself. The QA team are literally experts in how to break your game, and with Cyberpunk, you don't even need to *try* to break the game. Don't defend this practice dude. CD Projekt RED acted in a scummy manner, hided the console ports, lied in their marketing, pretended they were innocent, and now are trying to deflect blame. You can defend their awful behaviour as much as you want. But CD Projekt RED won't love you. They won't care about you. They will just keep being a shitty company.

[@thefattmish]

What a great show. Wow. (ok... now I'll watch it to make sure I'm right)

[@Ragucci25]

Tired of media blasting CDPR, of course someone responds of course he'll defend himself and his employer put yourself in his shoes and have some empathy.

[@metronicmagician1816]

I mean they did actively hide and lie about current gen consoles not functioning, and stopped people from releasing game footage until after preorders had been finalized, and they tried to pull this off before there would have been a next gen platform to play on (the April release). The management for CDPR deserve the lumps they’re getting, and all my empathy goes towards the devs that are currently being pushed to solve the problems these higher ups keep making. Sorry but I don’t feel anything for these specific people. They’re the ones who got us into this mess, and they’re currently not the ones really dealing with it.

[@Ragucci25]

@@metronicmagician1816 sounds like they got dealt a very shitty hand if next gen wasn't a thing, plus COVID this would have been an entirely differently launch, my point.

[@metronicmagician1816]

@@Ragucci25 I mean it wouldn’t have been that different of a launch. My guess (based on the projection statement) is that COVID only made the problem worse, but didn’t create the problem since that as already there long before any work at home event happened. Also it seems like they were trying to double dip like how GTAV got to. There isn’t this “shitty hand” here rather just a poor decision on their end to try and focus on both a current gen release and a next gen release. Look there isn’t any need to defend these things. CDP fucked up, and they deserve the lumps they got cause even if this was all a shitty hand they still blatantly lied and hide the console version from us until it was released,

[@johnchambers6022]

No

[@aoe41015]

It was in ethical of them to release the game in its state. The team and devs deserve more empathy than the boss does. I don’t get why you feel he specifically needs, deserves any empathy.

[@Timjohnrob]

I think they should just try and be more honest and maybe push the "this is just representation" When I first watched stuff from companies back in 95 I thought what they showed was real it took awhile but my first thought back then was not "companies lie"

[@stuartbagley2586]

Lying means they put things in the demo they never had any intention of keeping. Performance, time and scope means games are constantly in development. That’s why they almost always have a disclaimer that say work in progress. Lie and lying gets thrown around too freely.

[@michaelandrews117]

@@stuartbagley2586 Yet, the gameplay demo shown off of Cyberpunk was a lie. It wasn't a tech demo, or a prototype build, or even a vertical slice. It was built before the team had even sorted out the gameplay loop and features yet; it was a clear misrepresentation of the game they wanted to release, because the team hadn't even started *working* on the game's features yet. It wasn't a simply "These features were cut" it was actually a "these features never existed in the game, we just made it out like they had been."

[@superbit415]

Surprise there is a episode today. Isn't Martin Luther King day a holiday in the States ?

[@scarlet8078]

It's a government & federal holiday. Most entertainment stuff & stores are open.

[@thatseasyforyoutosay]

Imran tries to defend Jason and fails 👍

[@Repasado1894]

Watch crowbcat cyberpunk video you'll see just how much they really did promise with this game

[@badfish5447link]

Love the show but I am not sure I can trust the opinion of two guys who haven’t seen Indiana Jones lol

[@timmyp53]

Hey Blessing. Can a loc come up in your crib?

[@runeshistorm7416]

Red Colony, Yay! ^^

[@jeffstevenson8027]

I wounded if CD project Red only wanted to release the pc version but there promotional deal with Xbox forced them to release the console edition too.

[@scarlet8078]

There was absolutely a deal with Microsoft & they had to release at Holiday 2020. I won't go into it more than that & u won't find anyone who will report the terms of the confidential deal & tie-ins (other tech, merchandise, etc.) but nobody will deny that there is a deal

[@Necktorious]

Jak and Daxter reboot/sequel??

[@Spall23]

I think the continued grilling of Cyberpunk and CD Projekt Red is an extension of cancel culture, and I don’t entirely agree or disagree with it. They messed up big time, and they need to be held accountable because we don’t want others to ever do the same thing. But at the same time... when does this end? When is enough? I’m not saying it’s too much already, but realistically, it’s never going to be popular to empathize with the bad guy.

[@412JFury]

The game is still excellent and that's what Blessing and Greg Miller both had to say initially. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Rick.Grayson]

It’s shit. It doesn’t even do for open world cities what GTA did. It’s a hollow movie set of a game that breaks down as soon as you look away. It’s not excellent in any way.

[@michaelandrews117]

It suffers from a massive crisis of identity. It wants to be a GTA style open world, it wants to be a choice based RPG, it wants to be a narrative driven immersive sim, and it wants to be a highly stylised action game. Unfortunately, it doesn't do any of these exceptionally, and instead just does them all good enough. It's a shame. Instead of getting "the most immersive RPG to date" we got a game that is perfectly fine as a video game but plagued with technical issues. What's most disappointing to me is the lack of a quest that's as impressive as the Skellige Conspiracy or the Bloody Baron quest. The writing in this game in general (especially Johnny Silverhand and his awful character) is so lacklustre.

[@1armstrong607]

who even dislikes these videos? the fuck

[@LtGrandMaster]

Infamous?

[@mp2216]

That would be awesome.

[@anilpatel5877]

700 dollars may not sound like a lot in terms of pay but I’m sure for the Polish economy in terms salary amount that is fairly decent. However this still doesn’t excuse the whole Cyberpunk saga and the release on console..

[@thefattmish]

why tim look different?

[@mp2216]

Food

[@stuartbagley2586]

Hair is f’ed up.

[@jaymeow4273]

Did Tim dye his hair green?

[@savvgorr3578]

I think they think they can make cyberpunk 2077 as ambitious as they want it to be. As they say sometimes is easy to say it than done. I lost half of the price amount of the game because I am not even that impressed is poor quality ( at least to me). Whoever played the 4-hour demo did they really see and feel the same quality/performance the way as they played it now, probably not? The question is why 4-hour demo why not less than 2 hour only. And I heard they only picked who get to play the demo, is that true?

[@mecharobots]

2077 game now does not play better and car ambushes or chases dont exist. The cops can even chase you and have you noticed your the only person on a bike in the entire open world unless its a story mission 🤣

[@_SomeGuyOnline]

I feel very strongly that if it's not by Naughty Dog, I dont want a new Uncharted. Maybe that's wrong and small minded of me, but that's just how I feel.

[@tommobayliss]

What went wrong? Everything.

[@charoleawood]

Dead or Alive 3, 2 Ultimate, and 4 were Xbox exclusives, with 4 being a 360 exclusive. Itagaki is an interesting guy, would love to see him come back strong to the industry. Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate and Ninja Gaiden 2 on 360 are the two best games of all time, in my opinion. Imran trashed on Dead or Alive 3 comparing it to Kakuto Chojin because he wanted to shit on the OG Xbox, I doubt he's even played it, Dead or Alive was a SUPERB franchise on the original Xbox as was Ninja Gaiden, he wanted to act like all Xbox had was Halo...

[@TramainBacchus]

It's broken and unfinished

[@mecharobots]

Next episode of blessing new shownis about BOTW it has to be 😅!!

[@charoleawood]

37:00 Death Stranding is not a PlayStation IP

[@charoleawood]

@@HermanFalckHow Horizon Zero Dawn was published on PC by Sony and Guerilla is a studio that is wholly owned by PlayStation. Death Stranding wasn't, 505 Games published it there, and Kojima Productions isn't owned by PlayStation. Xbox funded Sunset Overdrive but Sunset Overdrive isn't an Xbox IP, it was owned by Insomniac and now is owned by PlayStation. I repeat, until Sony buys it then Death Stranding is not a PlayStation IP even though Sony may get a say in how Death Stranding 1 is distributed. A sequel to Death Stranding could potentially be multiplatform or even Xbox exclusive. This type of funding happens all of the time, after SquareEnix and IO interactive parted ways IO retained the Hitman license and even was able to take distribution rights with them of games that SquareEnix paid to produce, it was the same with Quantic Dream, Sony paid to produce all of those games but owned the IP to none of them.

[@charoleawood]

@@HermanFalckHow Kojima CAN make Death Stranding 2 for Xbox, you are not right, Death Stranding is NOT a PlayStation owned IP, if it were it would have been published on PC by Sony. Companies can and do pay for the development of games without owning the IP to those titles. I don't know what's next for Kojima Productions, maybe Sony will buy it just as they did Insomniac, but the point is that right now Kojima Productions is an independent entity just as Insomniac was, just as Quantic Dream was. Quantic Dream is now partially owned by NetEase and Quantic Dream has published its own games, the development of said games paid for by PlayStation but the IP retained by Quantic Dream, on PC.

[@Rick.Grayson]

Blessing still calling it a great game. Terrible look.

[@Timmy2Pistols]

How is speaking your native language "icky"? The whole language thing is laughable. Far Left gonna Far Left I guess.

[@scarlet8078]

When you work in a multinational corporation it's standard to require local language or one language overall. For example my company has offices all over the world & you're supposed to speak either in English or the local language for the office where you are working. We do 2 year mgmt rotation between Germany, US, UK, & Switzerland for example, & the Germans are not allowed to speak German with each other in the UK or US office

[@metronicmagician1816]

Dies wurde so entschuldigt für schlechte Grammatik übersetzt. Möchten Sie, dass ich mit Ihnen in einer Sprache spreche, die Sie nicht kennen? et dans cette langue? voulez-vous que? Mam nadzieję, że moja wiadomość dociera do Ciebie.

[@Timmy2Pistols]

@@scarlet8078 Right. That's self-policing, cry baby stuff. I just think the world is going crazy. People being offended by that blows my mind. If I recall it was Polish language being spoken in Poland. Idk. It's whatever I guess. Onward.