Kineon Move+ Review - Can This Device Heal Most Pickleball-Related Injuries?

[@2447chaze]

I have always found your paddle reviews extremely helpful; I have made several purchases because of them but no paddle purchase has had this kind of impact. After 3 months of use, your Kineon Move video (and purchase) has been a life changer for me...thank you!

[@ValueRobot]

Purchased a unit to try to remedy my debilitating heel bursitis. After just a few weeks of recommended daily use, I can confidently say that it has really worked curb the inflammation and pain almost completely. Before I couldn't got consecutive days of play, but now I am able to string together several days. The purchase has a 30 day trial, so it was a no-brainer to test it out. So glad you recommended this.

[@ghenaric]

Would you suggest the 14mm or 16mm Kineon Move+? I’m thinking the 16mm will have a little more plow through on my knee/ankle.

[@NoName-eu4sz]

What do you mean by 14 vs 16 mm? Thank you.

[@psycl0ptic]

@@NoName-eu4sz 14mm vs 16mm as in pickleball paddle.

[@Ternary5]

LMAO nice

[@lesterma1608]

Been using it on my aches and pains, my knee has arthritis and bone to bone contact with a recommendation for partial knee replacement but after using kaneon all the pain has subsided!!!!

[@NoName-eu4sz]

Kineon should make a plug in model rather than incorporated lithium battery. No matter how good the battery is, it has a limited life.

[@omgpineapple7608]

Thanks John, when you first mentioned the kineon during one of your kewcasts talking about how it helped your shoulder, I decided to give it a try. I had really bad knee issues after I first started getting into pickleball because I was so overweight. I'd barely be able to walk at work or at home after a long day of playing pickleball. Using kineon it's helped my recovery time immensely, I'm able to play more pickleball and walk around and live my life without being in pain barely being able to walk. It took about a month of use twice a day before I saw any results.

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@omgpineapple7608 Thanks for sharing; so happy to hear it’s working for you!

[@khpickleball]

That was a wonderful review John. I just picked one up with your code to try out. Definitely appreciate you applying your expertise to products that can help folks enjoy the sport even more. Thank you!

[@Ant02496-]

I like how your considering pre-pain usage. Might incorporate that myself.

[@anthonyng8800]

I bought this, using for a week on various joint pains and it seems to have a benefit versus just heat therapy

[@760Piper]

Picked one up after you and Eddie spoke about it a few weeks back. I’ve only had it for a week but so far so good.

[@furiousdoe7779]

I am not sure that the time healing would have been different with or without help of the Kineon Move + ... , I already used the Flexbeam for prolonged time (2 years) and still not sure if both are really helping me that much . Supplements I take (Vitamin D Vitamin C Magnesium and more ) ... and I do still work.. ! I have some spinal issues L5/S1 and I hoped that the Kineon Move + would reach further than the Flexbeam ... I see progress but slow ... very slow. Next to it I have a 2x FAR INFRARED Mat .. which I use to compensate for blood flow enhancement in the complete body . I do exercises for back and body ... But like you still pains in foot (sciatica from L5/S1 or somewhere down the line , which I treat all those specific locations)

[@CuriousCreature]

I use a panel from Mito Red Light that uses four wave lengths. It speeds up recovery dramatically. Had a calf injury and was back playing lightly in a few days after using red light, massage gun and freezer wraps. Good panels are expensive but worth it. Very important topic.

[@bart1476]

Red light is just not as good for injury help where infrared lazers are.

[@TheNinjaFam]

Hoping it works for me.

[@khpickleball]

Hey John are you still using yours? Thought I'd follow up and say thank you again for this review. I bought it and after a couple weeks I thought about returning it. I was a little impatient, but with the clock ticking on the return period, I didn't want to get stuck with such a costly device. During the time of using it I was also more intentional about rest and icing my knees after long sessions of pickleball. I suspected that the improvement I felt was more about R.I.C.E. than the Kineon device. Well after a couple weeks without using the Kineon but continuing RICE, the pain and swelling in my knees became noticeably worse. The only variable was using the Kineon device, so now I'm back on it and not looking back!

[@mitamiyaguyrc7825]

Very interesting! Do you need to wear protective eye wear when using it?

[@slothlife380]

Thanks John. I've been using mine for a couple of weeks, and it's been helpful with my recovery and a big part of why I'm able to play 6-6 consecutive days. Do you feel that the effects are long lasting, or does it require indefinite use? In other words, do you feel that the pain would return to your areas if you stopped using the Kineon?

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@slothlife380 great feedback, thanks! I’m noticing that as each body part is healing, I don’t have to use it as frequently. It leads me to believe that the chronic inflammation was causing the pain is going away at least semi-permanently.

[@NoName-eu4sz]

Has Kineon done any study in people with severe knee OA using this device? For instance initial MRI, 6 or 12 month treatment, another MRI to show at least some cartilage or meniscus regeneration. There is a big difference between acute inflammation/LLLT effect and chronic issues of any joints/muscles/ligaments.

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@NoName-eu4sz not to my knowledge, no. That would be a fantastic study though.

[@austinwhite8171]

John is there any world where you could test the Wilson Blaze Pro Tour 16, which is their top of line paddle they recently dropped? I've been dying to figure out how it stacks up against the other current paddles that are solid, within your paddle metrics. I am constantly checking your database to understand more about the current market of paddles. Thank you!

[@86309]

⁠I agree . I think this was very useful, especially since I trust Dr. Kew to not endorse a product he doesn’t use and believe in that will help with pickleball. I’m going to wait for version 2 , or if version 1 goes on a better sale.

[@ottyee4886]

I’ve have knee pain and after seeing a doctor and getting some X-rays, it was determined I have some osteoarthritis and possibly a partially torn meniscus. I received a cortisone injection and that didn’t help much. I asked if red light therapy would work and basically they said “red light therapy will not help my condition”. Can elaborate more on your knee and the results? Thanks

[@johnkewpickleball]

It sounds like we have very similar conditions. I had meniscus and patellar tendon damage, and early arthritis. I also got a cortizone shot - and that did help for me. It got my pain down to about a 3. But the pain stayed at a 3 for months after that, and I just thought it was my new normal. And like I said in the video, the Move+ took me down to a 0, and it now hovers between a 0-1 depending on my activity levels

[@QuentinWalls]

So I'll start by saying I was skeptical, fully expected I may have to use the 30 day return policy and was hesitant to spend this much. Purchased using your code and I've had it for 3 days. I've noticed a considerable improvement in my tennis elbow and sore shoulder that have been bothering me for about 3 weeks. I'm not sure yet with my knees, but they do say to give it 3-4 weeks of daily use. Anyway, I'm a believer. 60 years old and I've been playing pickleball a little over a year.

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@QuentinWalls Fantastic feedback - glad it’s working for you!

[@El_Guap]

Sounds like it is better at non-joint soft tissue. It's hard to penetrate deep enough with things like chronic osteoarthritis.

[@aaronmorgan8864]

Thanks Kew! Have you tried it on your lower back?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Not yet. Thankfully my lower back has been healthy for the past several years (knock on wood)

[@stratelyze2095]

Do you recommend buying extra straps

[@johnkewpickleball]

Not unless you think you'll need it on your lower back

[@gtak8703]

I’ve used red light therapy on a broken ankle. It sped up my recovery. So when kineon came out, the portability attracted me so I ordered one. For the 1st week all 3 light units worked, 2nd week 1 unit stopped working, 3rd week a 2nd unit stopped working. I’ve since gone back to the Hooga red light therapy panel. Great idea, but individual light units are undependable.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Interesting- sounds like maybe a Bluetooth issue? Did you try resyncing the pods?

[@El_Guap]

What's the difference between the strap it comes with and the Adjustable Strap 2.0? Never mind, support bot said "The strap that comes with the product is the Adjustable Strap 2.0. There is no difference between the two. "

[@CoryLeindecker]

anyone have any experience with the OM paddle? i wonder if john kew can get one and give some feedback as there is little to no information on this paddle

[@johnkewpickleball]

I have it; just haven't hit with it yet

[@BWT599]

To answer the title....yes and yes.

[@HDBnB1]

Will this help my tennis elbow ?

[@ThiccBoi23]

a thicker grip would be a first easy step to take

[@terogan]

Seems their price is all over the place. Got it for $346 with your code not quite two weeks ago. I do have some ideas on a possibly better strapping system.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Are you getting good results from it?

[@terogan]

@@johnkewpickleball not the rapid change you saw on certain parts. Mostly using it on my ankle and foot though. Wife said it’s helping some calf pain from sciatica. Just went up to 15” and two times/day after watching this video. Side note: I see Zane Navratil is talking about this unit on Instagram and KZbin.

[@terogan]

Not quite as quickly as some of your results.

[@dv8tion388]

Love the Briffidi calibration rod tripod..haha

[@johnkewpickleball]

Someone knows their Briffidi gear!

[@dv8tion388]

I bought the Kineon when u first brought it up weeks ago. Works well on acute pain.

[@pats300zx]

Big fan of RLT. Great review. How long are your sessions on the body parts ?

[@johnkewpickleball]

15 minutes per body part, up to 2X per day

[@jaycohen5482]

Very pricey. I bought the Rojo 900 panel, 12" x 36 for $1,100 US, 5 wavelengths, 10 smart modes and floor stand. Works great.

[@86309]

Awesome! I want one, but im wondering if they are going to listen to your upgrade ideas and make a version 2 soon???

[@elimintz724]

Could you please provide links to scientific articles or studies that show the efficacy for the indications you discuss?

[@jpjay1584]

3:54 WRONG!!!!! An LED and a laser of the same irradiance is a toss up as to which penetrates farther. deeper penetration comes from wavelength and concentration (which is done by optics). period. if you have an LED with X amount of energy on X surface and a laser of the same power they will penetrate the same depth. 650nm vs 810nm: different penetration depth. (IR goes deeper than red)

[@Ternary5]

Saw this unit discounted to 385 and still didn’t pull the trigger. Hard to pay that much for what amounts to be some lights when I don’t know is the effect is placebo or really any different from the cheaper red led light options ….

[@rusty935]

does it matter if it's placebo or actually working? as long as the pain/issue goes away I don't see what the problem is

[@steve-94951]

Just tried to buy and your code did not stack...

[@DXfan105]

There are similar devices on Amazon with the same technical specs incl. the wave length ranges except that they cost about 10 times less. Any reason I should pay that much?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Do they have lasers or just LEDs?

[@christophepaquot3562]

@@johnkewpickleball Do the lasers really make a big difference? LEDs are just wider spectrum and perhaps lower power, altho class 1 lasers are prob not that powerful either.

[@christophepaquot3562]

@@johnkewpickleball One study mentions "One question that has not yet been conclusively answered is whether there is any advantage to using coherent laser light over non-coherent LED light" at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4126803/

[@zorkgami]

Disappointed. Talks about x rays and such, but didn't talk about it afterwards. Just based on pain which is subjective and can change over time based on many factors. Very disappointed on the unscientific self study

[@jylarouche1151]

I didn’t like their web site, look kind of fishy

[@johnkewpickleball]

I agree about the website. I'm not a fan of its design because it seems too sales-ey. I'd like to see it overhauled to make it do justice to the objective, science-based evidence

[@zachcarmichael699]

Stick to paddle reviews -- you excel at that. These product endorsements just seem like sales pitches.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Maybe this topic isn't your thing, but this was an honest review, not an endorsement. There's a lot of information in here, and I realize you probably didn't watch it all, but I made recommendations for improvements and talked about where it wasn't as effective

[@86309]

I totally disagree, This is totally related to Pickleball and our aging bodies. I sincerely appreciate Johns efforts and testimonials. There are lots of us that would not have known about this and he brought it to light for the community. I thank him.

[@zachcarmichael699]

@@johnkewpickleball An honest review wouldn't include an affiliate code. Even if it is honest, it just doesn't give that impression. Love your other content though, you're the best pickleball tech reviewer out there.

[@bart1476]

Dumb comment. I am a pro 50+ player, every high level pickleball player has injuries and this device speeds up healing and recovery.

[@86309]

⁠I agree . I think this was very useful, especially since I trust Dr. Kew to not endorse a product he doesn’t use and believe in that will help with pickleball. I’m going to wait for version 2 , or if version 1 goes on a better sale.

[@ThiccBoi23]

No. No it cannot.

[@aaronmorgan8864]

?

[@ThiccBoi23]

@@aaronmorgan8864 replying to the title of the vid

[@elimintz724]

John, love your paddle reviews. Please don't do this. The gold standard to determine efficacy of any treatment is a double blinded trial. This means neither the patients nor the people monitoring or administering the remedy know if they have a real device or a placebo. In this case that would be a device that looks exactly the same but the energy emitted is much lower, except that the light looks the same intensity as the real device. Until the results of such a trial are available, it is not fair to say that this device works.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Appreciate your feedback. Have you looked into this much? Because there are many placebo-controlled, double-blinded studies on the efficacy of red light therapy.

[@elimintz724]

@@johnkewpickleball would you mind linking to a study or scientific paper that you think best highlights the efficacy for the indications you discuss? I would be happy to change my mind. I searched pubmed and couldn't find one, but do not claim my search was comprehensive