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[@codyswan3863]

The rematch clause is used whenever the writers want it to exist is one of those wierd things you get used too

[@Dporticus]

I'm seeing that now 😆

[@karenwells8879]

It used to every title had a rematch clause for a while. But then it was like the belt was just going back and forth so they stopped them. Now it is rare they use one in storyline.

[@blkswxn]

the way i interpreted it here was because becky is such a big star, someone of her caliber can negotiate that as a condition of their contract in kayfabe, but yeah it’s basically just a writing tool

[@TheDemonCaine]

​@@blkswxn Exactly. She specified that "she" had a rematch clause. Not that everybody gets them. It's just like how Roman would get perks.

[@theharoldsshow]

There are often “ref misses” either due to corruption (Hogan vs Andre Main Event 1988), missing feet on the rope (Punk vs Cena Summerslam 2011), or accident (Wrestlemania 35 Becky Charlotte Ronda). It isn’t uncommon for a finish like this to happen as it protects the loser (usually the baby face) in defeat

[@chadbrisco4042]

It should've been LA Knight grabbing Logan Pauls leg to set up a US Title match at Clash at the Castle.

[@triplehkingofkings5883]

I hope Loan Paul defeats LA Knight if they have a match. Im just tired if everybody saying "LA Knights needs the World title, LA Knight needs the Universal Title, LA Knight needs the US Title." After Logan defeats him, everybody will say "Oh LA Knight will get drafted to raw and get the IC Title."

[@Nickie102]

That wouldn’t really work when Knight primary focus is on Carmelo Hayes. Logan hasn’t done anything to him to justify it.

[@ZBatt1]

@@triplehkingofkings5883I hope youre wrong 😂

[@dabearcub]

@@triplehkingofkings5883LA Knight is great on the mic, looks legit - but for whatever reason (maybe his in ring skills) he doesn’t really have a place in WWE. His ideal matchup should be Logan Paul-but I think the belt needs to stay on Logan for a long time.

[@Optilliam]

Lol, Lyra had a backstage interview after the match, spoke on making it to the finals

[@Optilliam]

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[@rantsofafangirl7000]

Bronson has grown on me. He's is really talented and is just an enjoyable "monster" character. I feel like he is getting lost in the Chad/Sami stuff. He's got his test run now he deserves a solo shot at the title.

[@Robby_C]

The whole Gunther/Randy finish is why i harp so much on the idea of watching wrestling as a live sports event rather than through "booking" .. Especially in this new TKO/Triple-H "era." Because whether it was part of the plan or not is irrelevant, and we will never know for sure... but the way Triple-H and the announcers handled it is exactly what would happen in a legitimate sports setting... the refs call is official, but if they fight promoter feels there is reason for a rematch they grant one. Sitting around trying to decide if it was a "botch" or "booking" kind of undermines the entirety of the match. If there is a foul in a basketball game and the refs don't call it, the results stand..... if there is a shoulder up and the refs don't call it, the results stand. and not to get too into the weeds, but even if it wasn't meant to be a controversial finish, Randy's shoulder being up isn't a "botch." A "botch" is specifically when somebody does something that either ends up hurting somebody on accident or ends up looking so fake that it "exposes" the business... the ref not calling a shoulder being down is an oversight at best.

[@Robby_C]

Not to mention when it comes to pro-wrestling prior to the last 15-20 years, regardless of what was "booked," If there as a situation where a finish was in question they would treat it as legitimate, and the bookers were left with no choice but to make what happened on screen into a workable story.... this whole concept that everything has to follow the script, and anything that isn't scripted is a "botch" is 100% a creation of internet-marks. Some of the greatest moments in wrestling happen organically and force the "creative" in a direction they had no intention of going. Which frankly, is why wrestling had been so stale for so long. Because after a while of Vince micro-managing everything so tightly, and refused to pivot, they would just openly ignore obvious things that complicate the stories being told, even if they should have been acknowledged. But we don't live in that time anymore, so fans who have become familiar with wrestling within the last 20 years just need to reset their entire frame of reference for how things are "supposed" to work.

[@Dporticus]

Tbh I loved it either way. And if it was unintentional, they handled it perfectly by not ignoring it.

[@Robby_C]

@@Dporticus agree'd 100%. I don't mean to come in so hot in these comments, and it truly isn't directed at you. I'm just speaking towards the way mosts active internet wrestling communities discuss wrestling in general. Like I've said before I genuinely appreciate the way you take in the show, and i know its kind of impossible to talk about wrestling now a days without using "smart" terminology... I guess in my own way i'm trying to "smarten up" people who aren't already convinced they are "smart" to perceive wrestling in a more organic sporting event way, rather than like its a broadway musical and everybody is sitting around judging who sang what parts wrong.

[@Corzza025]

Babe wake up, a new Dporticus video just dropped

[@Dporticus]

😆 🤣

[@gatootakufilms5629]

Your reviews are good

[@Dporticus]

I appreciate that!

[@goingcrasy202]

Pretty sure the shoulder was a botch, but they are gonna take advantage of it for a story since the match was so good

[@homework9102]

It was absolutely a great show and great crowd

[@imyourlocalbot]

I also thought it was an amazing show! Liv Morgan is forever my favorite so that helped but strictly the matches from an in ring perspective were soooo good. Little tidbits I didn't care for but was very entertained the whole way through

[@ZBatt1]

Your live was awesome and I hate it got taken down. 😢

[@Dporticus]

Yea I might try without the sound next time just to avoid that.

[@mikeduncan3953]

About Trips making the announcement for Clash at the Castle during the PLE instead of on RAW, as you've stated Priest and Drew already did all the setup with promos already, the only question was when would Drew be cleared. Also, it's a big pop to get in the middle of the PLE (there's usually about one per like this), and you also have to understand that there are some fans that ONLY watch the PLEs and just kinda follow the news or summaries of the weeklies, either because they don't want to watch that much wrestling every week, or they simply don't have time, or they are only really into it when the stakes are highest.

[@derekweaver6384]

That was a vicious Annihilator!

[@jordanalford2825]

Great review of the show man

[@Dporticus]

I appreciate that!

[@benji3603]

I feel like the reason why they announced the clash the castle match on this show was to get the last few tickets sold the ticket prices have been ridiculous for the class of the castle. I’m in England so I was gonna go but I’m not gonna go for £200 at the cheapest and it’s £500 for 2 night tickets and announcing this here gives them 3 weeks to sell out

[@tomer_stern]

I think the Wyatt family will debut on July 6th at money in the bank.

[@benji3603]

I’m kinda burnt out of the Qr codes I’ll probably just wait till they come back

[@ralfsstuff]

I don't mind the Gunther/Orton finish at all. Even if it is a botch, Paul saved it by calling a rematch and made it part of the story. (If that finish wasn't already planned like that). In my Head cannon that's also why Gunther didn't put the crown on his head. Because he may feel conflicted or unsatisfied by winning like this and it would dishonor the idea of the "King of the Ring". When in reality it looked like it was just to large for his head.

[@Dporticus]

I too was curious as to why he didn't wear it. I like your speculation though.

[@chadbrisco4042]

There's a day deciphered in one of the qr codes that shows 6-17. I'm assuming it's the raw after clash at the castle.

[@Dporticus]

The wait continues

[@karenwells8879]

Yes new date is Raw after Clash.

[@justjunk3268]

8:35 they announced it on the PLE is simply because more eyes are on it. A lot of casual fans don't really tend to watch the week to week shows. And A LOT a business that WWE and I'm getting is from casual fans. These are fans that will pop in for PLE's and maybe they heard [big name] is gonna be on the show. I agree that they could've announced Drew versus Damien in a better and more exciting way but it is way better for business (i'm the stockholder if you remember) to make people as aware as possible. You also gotta keep in mind that a lot (not majority) ofthe people who are casual fans tend to be overseas. And it's simply because of the time difference. Some people don't really wanna wake up that early/late. 10:00 I really respect your take on this but I also want you to listen to me because I feel like he will appreciate subtle storytelling. Gunther is a really great wrestler and he's always thought so. But if you really think about it he's never faced "MAIN EVENT" level guys. As much as I love Sammy Zain and he is my second favorite wrestler, ur not putting him in main events often. or chad gable or omos or reed. This is the first time that he has fight someone the caliber of Randy Orton(think cena, the rock, cm punk, brock lesnar, roman reigns, etc...) Re-watch it you will see that Gunter, once the match starts looks like he's doubting himseld. especially when rndy started eating those chops.

[@rantsofafangirl7000]

I love Gunther and hate to see that the spot was botched. I would love to see the rematch to continue his Gunther honour character. There needs to be no question that he won.

[@Dporticus]

Which match was your favorite?

[@Natureboy1303]

Orton vs Gunther might be my match of the year

[@Darth_Lunas]

The last two matches were amazing. I'm constantly impressed by Logan Paul and how good he's become in a short period of time. He's no longer is a KZbinr and now an honest to god wrestler.

[@rev_kev.y2k]

That Triple Threat match for the Intercontinental Championship was very exciting to watch. IMO, Bronson really put out a good performance. The Blue Thunder Bomb spot was beautiful.

[@Myiic]

Triple Threat was awesome

[@bigdan834]

Gunther v Orton... Another classic

[@ww4l]

I can't tell if Cole/Paul was a shoot... Corey Graves, on any other day, would NOT defend Michael Cole. I stood up from my seat at home and clapped for the brotherhood 😂

[@Dporticus]

That moment was nicely heated lol

[@khaleesiknope]

I was sitting in my seat going "GET HIM COLE, GET HIM" cause I was halfway hoping that it would get physical between them and HE WAS RIGHT

[@marcafterlife64]

Fun review. I like your perspective as a relatively new fan! I agree with you regarding the length and just positive look on the matches. I think 5, maybe 6 matches are the perfect length for a B or even C Show/PLE. As far as people complainjng beforehand goes, they just need to shut the hell up. No joke. It's the same thing every time. People calling a card mid, bad or even worse before it even happened just backfires every time because the shows are top tier quality. Predictable matches are not a bad thing as long as the match itself is good. And in the case of Cody vs Logan, it was even better. Or basically the entire Backlash PLE.

[@Dporticus]

I appreciate the kind words!

[@ronnychristenjoyer6778]

Logan Paul spitting out his Prime drink on top of the corner of the ring ready to body slam Cody was fucking amazing.

[@Dporticus]

💯

[@Jef_Jingles]

Gunther didn't kick out of the first RKO, im pretty sure he rolled out of the ring before Randy could get to him

[@Dporticus]

You might be right. But either way, being able to roll away after an rko, then kick out of another one... gunther being shown as a beast.

[@Robby_C]

Very good show all the way around.

[@Dporticus]

Flew by, tbh lol

[@Robby_C]

@@Dporticus it really did, when i heard Cole say it was time for the main event, my first thought was "already?" I love it. It is great to have the "i cant wait to find out what happens next" feeling back in wrestling.

[@MrMichizant]

I dont know how, but for whatever reason, i just read new video from dporticus "king of queens was amazing" and i thought wow..., i think i would dig dporticus talking about king of queens😂😂

[@Dporticus]

🤣 solid show

[@BryanSem-wb7qp]

Nia Jax representing the female side of the bloodline... She brings in the Tonga Twins to help defeat Bayley...

[@ryanredd4552]

I’m pretty sure Randy’s shoulder being up was a botch. They obviously wanted Gunther to look strong so why would they put an asterisk next to his biggest win?

[@Dporticus]

For the story and the drama!

[@jameshorne3788]

They tried to hide Randy’s shoulder in the replay and Corey Graves got cut off when he started to mention it. It was a botch.

[@lawyerboy82]

You even see the ref slide over closer to the shoulder that is down mid-count probably so they could have just written off the botch if they had wanted as the ref legitimately could not see it.

[@whitetigerak]

I saw yesterday you were doing a live watch along of this. AEW has a PPV on tonight. I know you have mentioned on Patreon about giving AEW a chance. Could be a fun thing to jump in to.

[@Dporticus]

That's actually the plan! I'll be watching tn with my lady for the first time. Just like we watched wwe for the first time together.

[@whitetigerak]

@@Dporticus Awesome! I can't wait to hear what you two think of it!

[@codyfan2307]

Yes it has happened before with Rhonda rousey don't remember who she fought with but something similar happened to her

[@theharoldsshow]

It was Wrestlemania 35 vs Becky in the triple threat with Charlotte

[@theharoldsshow]

That was accidental though and was not supposed to be the finish, which I don’t know is true for Gunther and Randy it might have been the planned finish

[@JustChrisTM]

I paused at 0:18 and yelled out, "this Guy GETS IT!!" 😂 A lot of people have preconceived notions of the Saudi crowds (bc past & govt) but as I said in chat, since 2022 they've been on fire. Titles can and have changed on the preshows. Usos started the 600+ day run on MITB 2021 preshow. Rematch clauses have usually been used as a crutch and an easy (or lazy sometimes) way to squeeze the last bit of juice out of a feud before they both move on. The Drew v Priest announcement is different. I don't mind dfft. Also maybe they announced he's cleared now, his time on Monday might be a match. Ref decisions have been used as storyline in the past. Very much could've been done on purpose. But as a GUNTHER fan, I saw nothing 😏. Jason Kelce, Pat Mahomes, Saudi comedian.... sometimes wrestling just throws the hometown celeb a bone. We deal with it 😂. Keep up the excellent work, dude.

[@Dporticus]

I appreciate it a lot. Thank you!

[@bigdan834]

This was the best kotr in a long time. I will say though they need to make it a bit more if it's own event. Have at least the semi finals from each side and the finals in the same night. This is how it was done way back in the 90s. It also defeats the excuse of "this guy just fought last night, while this guy last fought a week ago". Either way great show, again HHH proves quality over quantity with 5 matches.

[@Dporticus]

Careful what you ask for, hhh might make it a 2 night show 😆

[@bigdan834]

@@Dporticus lol tbh I hope it's just mania and SummerSlam as the only 2, don't want 2 day shows to lose the Aura, then the thought eventually would be a 3 night mania...no, leave that stuff to Japan's Wrestle Kingdom (which I do recommend at least once watching live when it happens, AB experience for sure)

[@ryandoles425]

This might be controversial but I don’t mind the guy from Saudi Arabia interfering. He was preventing Logan from using the brass knuckles again while the ref was down. That being said, it should have been LA Knight 🤣

[@bigdan834]

I thought maybe just maybe it was gonna be Michael Cole with how much he hates Logan... But Knight wouldve really got that story rolling between the two

[@Dporticus]

I just wish it didn't feel like it contributed to the finish directly.

[@Dporticus]

LA Knight doing it actually would have been really interesting. Could have sparked the feud for summer slam

[@Ruben-so7pu]

Im not a fan of only having 5 matches, i think we can go at least more 20 minutes and have 6 matches, for instance, it would have been nice to see Priest defending his title, he really needed it.

[@Dporticus]

6 matches would have probably been fine. The thing I really like about 5 matches is that it'd make a 2 night Summerslam feel a lot better.

[@Ruben-so7pu]

@@Dporticus i like it with less matches as well, i just think that 6 hits that sweet stop, 5 is just a bit short to me. Im hoping SummerSlam starts the two night thing next year, i dont want to wait till 2026.

[@albertodelgado8831]

I hear what you’re saying about the celebrity interference but in this case I didn’t mind it cuz Logan was cheating in the match anyway so sure Cody needed help… against the guy that was trying to cheat to win his title. Especially with how we saw Cody didn’t wanna win via count out. He’s like the honorable champ lol

[@DanielDeLeon69]

I Really Enjoyed WWE King & Queen Of The Ring

[@Dporticus]

Me too!

[@triplehkingofkings5883]

The show was exactly what I expected and Im not talking about the results. I expect a great wrestling show on a PLE. Liv vs Becky was the most interesting match for me. Liv is one of my favourites and finally she is champion again. Gunther vs. Randy Orton was amazing, especially with the ending of the match. I loved how Nia Jax destroyed Lyra, she finally looked like a beast and also won in the end. Cody vs. Logan was the real predictable match. I didnt care a lot. Of course it was a great wrestling match. It was just the wrong match for the main event. Gunther vs. Orton KOR Finals should have been the ME. The IC Title match was good as expected. Whats interesting about Beckys Rematch clause is, that she said she uses the rematch clause which is in her contract. This tells me she has a rematch clause in her contract and others not (of course in storyline)

[@Dporticus]

You'd think someone like roman would have that clause 😆

[@TheArmase]

I think it was a good PLE. Very very predictable, but not bad at all. It was a fun show. And as far as the future 2 night PLE schedule. I can see it with a lot of them (Royal Rumble, Survivor Series, and King/Queen of the Ring) and of course Wrestlemainia gets 2 nights because it is the SuperBowl of the business .. These are big shows that can be streched to 2 nights. Summerslam though .. doesn't have gimmic matches like the others, and while it is the "biggest event of the summer" I just don't know. I will hold final judgment for when it happens.

[@karenwells8879]

Agreed. They have so many titles they can't even put them all on 1 night. A 2 night event allows to put up all the belts plus a few non title matches.

[@achaidez93]

The uncle Howdy thing is being dragged out too long. I thought for sure something was going to happen on the PLE.

[@Dporticus]

Sounds like we're on the same page. Just taking too long

[@aksharpatel2803]

​@Dporticus The teasers started in April and it still May, so it has not been long in the slighest.

[@Dporticus]

@@aksharpatel2803 sounds subjective. You say 2 months, I say 18 straight shows.

[@codyfan2307]

DPORTICUS are you going to see the aew pay per view tonight

[@Dporticus]

Maaaaaaaaaybe!

[@Algo1]

That cinematic shot and how Logan played it settled it for me, he's main event material. He has to go through the hurdles, so make him contend for the IC.

[@ChrisTigerHarris]

My only con of the show is the botched Randy vs Gunther finish i hope they make it into a story and we get heel Orton back i would love 2009 type Randy where he just goes on a rampage taking out all the top stars even his bosses

[@Dporticus]

I think it's really damn cool that they are making it part of the story, intentional or not.

[@avb19d6]

Bronson stole the show for me. I have never been a fan. His energy, move set, and how he set up a lot of Sami and Gables spots?! Happy I got to see him

[@Dporticus]

Brinson absolutely killed it!

[@jarnold420ja]

Why can’t you show clips?

[@Dporticus]

KZbin is pretty stingy with their copyright detection

[@guitarhero640]

Becky Lynch vs Liv Morgan 《3/5》 Sami Zayn vs Chad Gable vs Bronson Reed 《3.5/5》 Lyra Valkyria vs Nia Jax 《3.75/5》 Gunther vs Randy Orton 《4.25/5》 Cody Rhodes vs Logan Paul 《3.75/5》 Overall: 3.5/5 Very Good show

[@aksharpatel2803]

Match ratings are dumb.

[@scottleeper8332]

Rhea will come back and beat Liv for the title this late summer or early fall!!! Then at next year’s wrestlemania it will be Rhea VS Jade!!

[@Dporticus]

That would be 🔥

[@VanezBane]

the whole main card was full of scuffed finishes. Liv vs. Becky with interference etc. - rematch on Raw. Back in the day every champion had a rematch clause, mostly on the next tv show. they done away with it around 2015ish i think. Triple threat interference with Otis - open for rematch. Lyra vs Nia. that finish came really outta nowhere. at first i thought something went wrong, was not a bad match but i also was not excited about it. Lyra could not win because Liv just won the title and a King/Queen should build momentum and losing the first titel opportunity really derailes that momentum, so Nia it is. Gunther vs Randy - Gunther did not use a single finisher during the match. his KotR ring was build up like Brett Hart's back in the day where he finished every match differently but without his actual finisher, until the final. Gunther did the same and so i was waiting for the Powerbomb (we all know about Randys bad back) but it never came. It is not often that WWE ends matches without an actual finisher (besides the most dangerous move in all of sports entertainment - the surprise roll-up!) and i welcome the change of pace. like with the previous match it was a very sudden finish. - could be a rematch in the future and a possible Randy heel turn. not sure if it was planned or not. Cody vs Logan. when it was first said it is title vs title i knew it would end in DQ/No contest but since it was only for the WWE title it was clear Cody wins.and of course Logan would cheat somehow. - possible rematch once Logan loses the US title. so besides the tag team match on the pre-show and maybe the Lyra/Nia match (still not sure about that) all other matches had "unclear"/Dusty finishes. overall an enjoyable 3.5/5 PLE

[@aksharpatel2803]

I would give it a 5/5.

[@ZBatt1]

Logan Paul had the most exciting part of the match, controlled Cody most of the fight, and still LOST 😂

[@tinpham6413]

Saudi show used to be ridiculous and some match even embarrassing to watch back in several year ago since they try to bring back legend to do some terrible match and grab cash, after Vince leave, the Saudi show was so much better now, even the woman division got cheered by the crowd.

[@SasquatchActualGaming]

Nia jax doesn't deserve this success. Belair does!!!!!!

[@adambryant4149]

To me, Randy vs Gunther was not just the worst match on the show, but a contender for the worst match of the year. It was just too slow and too long. Nothing happened the entire match and it had a shitty ending.

[@Dporticus]

Lol dang. I'm glad I have my perspective then.

[@adambryant4149]

@@Dporticus I'm glad you have your own perspective as a newer wrestling fan. Not every match is made for me, and if matches like this help keep you interested, then I'm glad they exist. It seems my opinion is actually the uncommon one which is wild because I was sure everyone was going to be complaining about the match.

[@codyfan2307]

I also didn't like that liv mo rgan won the belt but that is going to make for a good match between liv and rhea ripley

[@YourMarvelFan]

“Liv and Rhea can be the Mania night 1 main event” Bro I like you but be serious 😂😂

[@Dporticus]

Remember this moment. I'm kinda petty so I'll be replying to this in like 8 months when it happens 😆

[@YourMarvelFan]

@@DporticusThere’s simply no reality where Liv Morgan gets a Mania main event over CM Punk. Remember, Punk was gonna get his this year and the he got injured. One of the main events will involve the Rock (whether it’s with Cody or Roman) and the other will involve Punk (whether it’s with Seth or someone else)

[@Dporticus]

@@YourMarvelFan until punk is hurt again... lol never know

[@YourMarvelFan]

@@DporticusExactly you never know. The Rhea and Liv feud could run out of steam by then. Either way, I highly doubt Liv Morgan main events a WrestleMania. I’d put money on it even. She’s just not that level of star 🤷‍♂️

[@codyfan2307]

HE ALSO DID IT IN SAUDIA ARABIA WHEN HE FOUGHT ROMAN REIGNS WHEN HE STOOD ON TOP OF THE ROPES AND TOOK A SELFIE OF HIMSELF I DESPISE HIM HE NEEDS TO STICK TO HIS PODCAST HE DONT BELONG IN THE WWE

[@codyfan2307]

I didn't like who they pick for king and queen

[@teddy90636]

Boring show. It was a snoozefest. I can't believe you enjoyed it. You must not like real wrestling.

[@Dporticus]

"Real"

[@codyfan2307]

Logan paul needs to leave the wwe he is not a wrestler he just their to promote his sugar prime drink

[@Darth_Lunas]

Paul has become a wrestler. He's improved so much. Every person in and around the business agrees.

[@abdieljove2011]

He’s better than most of the roster lol

[@n0pe_878]

Cody fan keeping kayfabe alive