Akademiks reacts to Joe Budden Responding to Charlemagne & Envy on MDWOG speaking on who makes more$

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[@SoSmooth3800]

Joe gotta understand that when he was on Love and Hip Hop CTG was already up up

[@lukmelendez2452]

No he wasn’t , charla was always “controversial” and that stunted his growth he started making way more money after he rebranded and started the mental health talk. Come on now

[@go843og]

@@lukmelendez2452 From the beginning of the breakfast club CTG was making 125k a year off radio. He was also a consistent MTV personality, that’s another salary. He also always made money off investments and events here in SC, more money. Then the breakfast club gained more markets and they all started getting more money long before he did the mental health rebrand. That rebrand shit definitely leveled him up but it was from 6/7 to 8 digits and now he could very well be touching 9. Also Brilliant Idiots was profitable long before Joe figured out how to capitalize on the pod game

[@IrepDoubleurmax]

@@lukmelendez2452 finally someone said it other than Joe! Amen

[@jamesbonsignorejr3101]

💯

[@theverbalunderground]

Define "Up"?? And Are We Discussing Broadcasting Careers Only??! Cause Joe Been Killing The Internet Since The Early 2000s... Way Before L&HH, Breakfast Club, & Brilliant Idiots 🤔

[@marditoon1128]

Joe Budden is the most corny guy I swear 😂😂😂😂

[@mateo...]

Joe rocked out if he thinks charla ain't doing his thing financially

[@someguy5138]

Nah. why do you think ctg is well off ? Lol

[@oppastoppa9786]

@@someguy5138 common sense

[@skinofbronze718]

@@someguy5138 😊😊 😊😊 😊. 😊 😊. 😊

[@skinofbronze718]

@@someguy5138 😊

[@kelisjones6868]

@@someguy5138 he’s book alone made millions! 😂😂😂

[@TheRealTevynJ]

CTG does podcasting on the side, his main thing is radio and he has so many other things going on. Joe needs to take several seats...

[@mr.griffin2847]

Are u a man saying “take several seats” 🤣🤣

[@-king_ace_omerta_313_]

​@@mr.griffin2847 these dudes have no idea that they're even lames anymore bruh. Hilariously disgusting. Cornballs running amuck in 2023

[@necallijones2790]

​@@mr.griffin2847 we already know what type of lifestyle a man saying that has

[@beyoutifullyunique03]

What does he actually own though?

[@sd21z]

@@necallijones2790 Lmao

[@Dakid4rmdade]

Joe doesn’t believe what Joe is saying. The podcast looked at Joe like he was crazy when he said that.

[@overlord6815]

Best part about this video are the people in the comments who genuinely think they know how much any of these niggas make 😂

[@FlyyHigh834]

right?! lol

[@waltrza7683]

Big FAXXXXXX... !

[@laneishanunn2603]

FACTS

[@fatima_tiffany__]

Joe is my guy but him calling Charla broke is delusional talk

[@mrboatshoe]

Exactly! I wonder what is going through everyone's head on the JBP couch while he says all this 🥴🥴🥴🥴

[@crowded_spaces]

He’s being facetious to bait Lenard. Keep up.😅

[@nycpower9293]

Can y’all not tell that he’s trolling trying to bait him to say something? He knows Charlemagne isn’t broke.

[@fatima_tiffany__]

@@crowded_spaces I agree and he does it in this intriguingly emotional way to make the audience believe he’s being serious but essentially hes trying to get Charla to respond (which he won’t)- bravo Joseph 👏🏾

[@joeycarlton238]

you never know, It's been quiet or as charlamagne would like to call it "cold" for him the last few years now, joe definetly had his ups and downs but he stayed relevant, he weathered the storm and now his back up

[@mrboatshoe]

You don't have to be Einstein's little cousin to know that Charlemagne makes substantially more than Joe.

[@travisknowledge6915]

Doing what though is it all from podcasting I’m sure that’s what he meant

[@AshBashSneakers]

@@kennethemenike1597 he was just making the point that why is he so gassed about that amount don’t you have it?

[@crowded_spaces]

@@AshBashSneakers this is why it’s funny seen Ak fans respond to Joe topics. Niggas a lil slow.

[@Boobieboutmoney]

@@travisknowledge6915 this was so dumb to ask ? Does it matter ? Charla is more wealthy. End of story

[@BoskoShabazz]

How do any of y’all know this?

[@UncleRuckusss]

Him saying Vlad is good with money and him being Jewish had me cryin😂

[@SoSmooth3800]

CTG has been where Joe , Joe hasn’t been where CTG is … it’s that simple

[@LukeCIMINO]

joe has no sponsers. joe is his own entity

[@iconictees4061]

CTG has never been where Joe is. Nothing he has owned has ever been worth as much as the JBP

[@SoSmooth3800]

@@iconictees4061 the JBP is worth what ? Lol stop acting like you know cuz JOE gets on the mic just talking

[@sir0justice]

The JBP is worth more then every pod on CTG black media effect

[@SoSmooth3800]

@@sayitoutloudchp all because he’s a employee doesn’t mean Joe has made more by himself lol y’all can tell y’all really soak up anything Joe says

[@extrayul]

Ak really needs to lay off the liquor.

[@extrayul]

@@kennethemenike1597 exactly bro. All bs aside he needs to prioritize his health before it’s too late.

[@jhndxtr9249]

I wonder if he gets withdraws when he doesn’t drink. You can die from alcohol withdrawal

[@Therealfaxkellerman]

Joe ducking that gillie smoke. gillie roasted him and he act like he didn’t hear it.

[@mogul214]

that "church song" that joe played is called gangsta lean... classic joint from the early 90s

[@2phonesss]

lmao that "church song" comment lowkey had me hot. Like come onnnnn bruh 😂

[@kookutta]

That's not a church song

[@mogul214]

@@kookutta no shit... that's why I put quotation marks around it

[@demetreusd.robysr.8446]

Gangster Lean - DRS…..😂😂😂😂 you youngsters kill me. It’s a true gangsta classic. It’s a song for your dead homies.

[@SONOFJUDAH0203]

Joe Budden is the ultimate podcasters……Every time he speaks, the hiphop world goes bananas 😂

[@TheJoseGarcia325]

​@@xbabu142x he already has called himself the podfather a few days ago in his podcast when he dissed rory and mal for having complexs top 5 podcasters list

[@DREDR-jn8nw]

@@xbabu142xhes been calling himself that for years lmao

[@check2000]

the hiphop world? lol you mean the suburb nerds online that wanna be down

[@mrboatshoe]

BIG POCKET WATCHER AK💪💪💪💪😤😤😤

[@goynwa7110]

Lol I can tell you treat mf differently base on money which is sad af money don’t make people

[@marcl7364]

Joe the hardest pocket watcher ever and the fact joe thinks CTG is not in the Ms 😂😂😂😂

[@20gloxks95]

He said he got mini millions

[@Hballa34]

Joe was so broke, he had to go on love and hip hop....that should end the debate .

[@BIGE2333]

When Joe uses a Drake lyric to express himself, timeless.

[@ThatsWildAf44]

😂😂😂😂

[@yodav9120]

I never understood how a goofball like joe budden got this much clout 😂

[@IWantMoreTrone]

Lol I love when Joe being messy tho he tryna bait CTG to come out n say things he never says

[@0624tre]

Exactly

[@IWantMoreTrone]

@@user-rl4fm4uu6o yeah I don’t think it’s to respond directly to Joe but like Ak said when it come to money n CTG he doesn’t flex he don’t even talk about the money specifically but Joe knows he isn’t as broke as he was trolling and saying he just just tryna get him to speak up a lil more maybe throw some real figures out without being too specific

[@hippipdip]

Not gonna lie, that joke about hiding the accounting was pretty good 😂

[@check2000]

funny if he's not doing it to you

[@hippipdip]

@@check2000he didn’t do it to Rory & Mal either. Listening to them talking about it they sound like they didn’t really understand anything about accounting or how running a business is.

[@stonerbarz8510]

Sharp never said he get paid more than AK but it's apparent Sharp is better with women

[@AliFrankTheTank]

Pocket watching Ak all over this 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Joe called that man Broke, knowing damn well 😂

[@Llama_vet]

Charla from Sc Charleston, we know from our elders stay humble and don’t talk about your money. The whole time gill talking about Charla 02’ whip and envy 20 cars. That should ring your bell. Y’all don’t understand being illusive.

[@Llama_vet]

@@804MRMAN I’m not but him reinforcing that idea…. Keeps him off criminals radar.

[@yodav9120]

Crazy how we care about two men that have no idea we exist arguing over who make more 😂

[@lavish5681]

Joe just mad Charlemagne stopped talking to him years ago because he’s a clown.

[@bigtoxakatsmith9446]

He is right when he makes the point about the narrative about him walking away from the bag and MDWOG walking away from the bag.. They acted like Joe was crazy but they praising others for the same thing

[@chrispbacon1167]

It’s funny how Gillie dissed Joe and Joe completely ignore it and dissed Charlemagne lmao joe scared of Gillie cuz the last time Gille dissed Joe he reminded the world of all times Joe got beat up by rappers and didn’t fight back 😂😂😂

[@chrispbacon1167]

@@OBsurdityTV my point is that Joe didn’t want a pod war with someone who going to take it there he wants to pod war with ppl who just going to talk shit regularly and you know it.. that why he came a Charlemagne cuz he knows Charlemagne isn’t going to respond

[@Therealkingasap718]

That’s not being petty JO being delusional lmaoooo thinking he ever was above CTG😂😂😂😂😂

[@zay1521]

why is joe hating..he only went independent cause he couldn’t negotiate more then the 20 mill offered ..don’t hate cause wallo n gillie could..cthagod gave them flowers …just because they have a bigger deal doesn’t mean they have more money then cthagod…joe is hating rite now

[@kurosaki0001000]

I've been listening to charlamagne for over 15 year and he as ALWAYS down played how much he is worth. Joe Budden may ne old but he is deffo new money

[@JM-er3hz]

@@804MRMAN Joe has had money for a while, but he’s definitely a new millionaire. he’s said it before.. ig it just depends on someone’s definition of “new money”

[@kurosaki0001000]

@MRMAN 804 joe made no millions from his rap career. His millions after complex times through the spotify deal. Charalagme was well into the millions before then. Btw I agree charlamagne is new money also but he ain't running his mouth like joe. The fact you think he made significant money from a cashapp deal or his music tells me you know nothing

[@jawonnenelson2540]

​@@804MRMAN besides pump it up what damn songs Joe got? This should be good😂😂😂😂😂

[@jawonnenelson2540]

Yall delusional asf talm bout that man made millions off of music 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jawonnenelson2540]

@@kurosaki0001000 exactly! This fool blocked my comments cause I was on his ass 🤣🤣 you definitely right tho💯💯

[@EdgyOllie]

There's levels to this, I know Joe is trying to taunt him about being broke but CTG is just above all this petty stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if CTG is hitting 9 figures.

[@YoQueue]

Fck no lmaoo. Did you not hear him be suprised at what Envy was making compared to him. CTG ain't got it like that. He just has clout

[@Shalayah2010]

ctg is definitely up but not that up lol

[@yodav9120]

Crazy how jealous he is over people making more than him smh

[@YoQueue]

Joe wasnt calling CTG broke. Hes saying if gillie and wallo are the highest paid then CTG has less than them and that was surprising to Joe seeing as he has all these so called revenues of income

[@Moses_C]

Wording is important. Charlamagne said most paid podcaster. Podcaster being the most important word there. Other avenue streams weren't mentioned.

[@YoQueue]

@@Moses_C it wasn't even that that sood out to me. It was when Envy mentioned what he was making and Charlemagne was surprised that he had just reached Envy's previous benchmark

[@American_Gooner]

Charlemagne has maybe 50 streams of income and has had that for years. JOE just trying to bait him into saying how much money he has. He not that dumb.

[@HR-ms6ed]

50 streams of income does not necessarily means millions of dollars in revenue coming in. I can have 1 revenue of income and make more

[@therusticcook3556]

@@HR-ms6edtrue,but in this case it does . If you been following you would know .

[@FinesseSounds]

A wise man once said "Crabs in a barrel, it's always me and my own ppl competing. I don't hear these rockstars comparing numbers. The nerve of these old boys, how dare these youngers." - Ghetts

[@omartp1000]

🐐

[@990v6]

Top tier comment

[@LetsTalkEverything414Podcast]

Big Akademiks g, i love your channels gang, plenty of motivation for me cuz you stay going ham ham

[@SoSmooth3800]

COMBAT JACK IS THE PODFATHER !!!!

[@Manchild79]

Idk why people don’t remember this

[@jghgiroot6735]

Won't be surprised if charlagmane makes over 20 Ms a year from his iheart contract. If Howard stern still makes 100 mil a year from Sirius xm, then charlagmane definitely earns at least 20 a year. Joe budden does not have charlagmane money no matter what he says.

[@vincentkariuki4227]

Why do you think CTG started the BE network and immediately partnered with Iheart plus also got a executive "role" with iheart...I think they were trying to make the numbers work so that CTG can get a pay rise in his new contract but I doubt he's making over 10mi annually for everything iheart...most of the pods on BE aren't produced by them and aren't exclusive but to host them on your platform I assume he had to pay them especially the big ones like Drink Champs.....the reason why Howard gets 100 from sirius is he moves the need on satellite radio and stock shares,he's that valuable to them...iheart has conservative political radio shows that are way more popular that any urban radio show the reach is different and if I recall correctly rush Limbaugh was being paid in the 30mil ball park....CTG was part of a throuple at the time of his deal I don't suppose iheart was paying all three of them almost 50mil..doesn't make sense.

[@teetee2218]

I think Ctg was talking about podcasting deals. Joe just wasn’t listening

[@xkells757]

Charlamagne over there like, "I just call him big homie!!" - Flakko Voice

[@seekstruth]

Ak you a legend fr bro always funny af 😂😂😂

[@leo-thefrenchie-tucker9672]

Joe playing the classic gangsta lean has me LIVING

[@kidkwestion]

And Ak has no clue what song he’s playing smh

[@Therealfaxkellerman]

Joe talking about a list they talking about money.

[@antcord4485]

He just wants charlamagne to talk about him so badly. Ctg should let Andrew loose on Joe

[@skp8748]

Joe just gonna cry racism

[@shernitajackson1393]

I remember the remarks Charla used to say about Joe in a sarcastic joking type way but Joe took it personal. I understand both sides but I am more on Joe's side b/c I feel Joe considered Charla as a friend or esteemed industry partner. A couple of weeks ago, Charla joked about Tyrese always calling him and leaving voice messages that he doesn't listen to- I'm sure Tyrese feeling some type of way, too. Also, think Charla is def in the money conversation in any capacity and he prolly is getting more money than Joe.

[@djoffawestwest1103]

AK THE GOAT 🐐✊🏿 🇳🇱

[@JD-bs4xy]

16:04 “Noey-Milly” “Mini Million” Joe a fool !!! ☠️😱🫢

[@Therealfaxkellerman]

I like that flip called him out. Joe definitely ducking smoke and it shows because he deleted that shit from the KZbin video lol

[@610Drizzy]

Joe is speaking facts they was kicking his back in if you know u know 👌🏾

[@JS-tk7wo]

Joe has terrible negotiating skills

[@610Drizzy]

@@JS-tk7wo not true look at him now. He been going up and the podcast is the best it’s ever been you out the lop #thatshate

[@JS-tk7wo]

@@610Drizzy yeah I don’t watch him but he done his other co hosts dirty

[@Unorthodox13Random]

He didn't do those clowns dirty, they were employees who got gassed, thus his show is still successful and them clowns flopped with their shit

[@0624tre]

Joe is hating and your a hater saying he speaking facts. They weren't even talking about Joe on million dollars worth of game

[@noicatnetxxx7299]

NIGGUH ITS BIG AK!🗣🗣🗣🗣💕💕💕🔥🔥🔥💥💃🏻.

[@Trap323a]

Joe.. Envy has about a hundred properties Lmao you don't have him beat 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@jameyelprice5786]

16:25 Lmmfao!!! These people don't wanna talk money with Big Ak. He had to throw that in. Lmao!!!

[@CDNTVMedia]

This is weird that men are pocket watching

[@Theinternetwins2024]

3:52 PAAAAAAAAUUUUUSEEEEEEEEEE😂

[@shottibeatz6154]

Joe don’t have no sponsors

[@EySnapZoe]

Queen flip be talkin griddy nd I love it

[@victor2703]

Also the beef started when joe budden reported on the sexual assault allegations against charla

[@donnibaby1]

That was the escalation they were still coolish until the months prior to this.

[@victor2703]

@@donnibaby1 they had a whole end of the year show lol

[@IceHarvest929]

That's not where it started. That incident happened after they stopped speaking to each other

[@KH-go7rc]

No, it started waaay before that. It’s either when CTG kept mentioning Joe’s allegations on the radio. I always thought that was weird because they claimed to go way back. Joe was also mad that Chara basically said Joe was asking for Spotify for too much money

[@IceHarvest929]

@@KH-go7rc that's exactly where it started and I remember wondering why he wouldn't stop bringing the accusations up for someone who was supposed to be his real friend and also someone who he made good money with.

[@Pun_78]

Joe has 50k subs on Patreon alone! Averaging $25 per sub that’s 1.25mil a month! That’s $15mil a year for himself while gillie and wallo split $30mil over 3 years, so do the math for yourselves

[@yodav9120]

A lot of those numbers are fake or bought followers 🤷‍♂️ dont believe everything you see online

[@billydakid601]

please tell us how you got that info

[@chrissanchez9510]

I think this was just Breakfast Club & Million Dollaz Worth Of Game putting their foot in Joes mouth because he’s always talking.😂

[@GetRocStar]

😂😂😂 Joe the 🐐 of this petty pod shyt. Dude too funny😂

[@szasremmurd8002]

Joe may be old but he ain’t dumb. Charla’s net worth far outreaches mdwog and Joe budget. He gtta stop it.

[@lb74x]

Gangsta Lean a classic

[@maramawallace8908]

I think char thinks its great to see brothers getting that coin no hate against joe but char has never been negative like that

[@farrellcityking1]

To Joe he has.

[@blueeplum8429]

Delusion

[@jaydiaz3301]

well Magneto actually thought he was a level above Prof X because he had sympathy and M saw that as a weakness, so it does apply.

[@user-be9ck5ir5h]

charlemagne said gil & wallo got 100M’s … ak is in denial

[@mrboatshoe]

BIG AK is right Charlemagne is very ambiguous so you can't go off social media. He doesn't wear designer clothes jewelry or flex his vacations even though you know he goes to Anguilla😂😂😂 I love and listen to both of them but Joe tripping

[@books6200]

Magneto and prof. X is a crazy comparison… I mean one paralyze the other

[@kaptainbambino]

Thought about that too 😂😂😂😂

[@books6200]

@@sirleeproductions sure sure 😭

[@noicatnetxxx7299]

19:30. Real thoe. 💥

[@lisamarie7373]

THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THIS UP!!! Joe CANT NOT fuck with CHARLA ON ANY LEVEL and Charla got the ppl behind him because he is good to ppl he put ppl on.

[@josegonzalez2426]

Joe was stealing from Rory and mal now he's claiming he has over 30mil 😂 okay buddy!

[@Chip4835]

Charlamagne sd joe was bad at negotiating business deals. Years ago. But now charlamagne is commending wallo n gillie for doing the exact same thing he shit on joe for doing. Years later. So again, joe was ahead of his time. And that’s why people hate on visionaries. They can’t see what you see….

[@blackwhyloreign441]

AK your showing that you're not from the culture by not knowing what song Joe was playing🙄

[@neuromancer998]

Joe Budden is so out of touch, he's forgetting his own resume. There is no timeline where he's richer than Charla and Envy, who've actually had JOBS for decades 😂

[@sven7037]

Joe was trolling thinking Cthagod is broke he doesn’t mean it 😂

[@imani1271]

200$ per pod is wild 😂😂😭

[@nycpower9293]

Joe’s Patreon doesn’t have 50k subs. It’s probably between 25k-30k subs. And a pretty good portion of that is probably at least the $25 tier, comparing the engagement on the $25 tier videos to the lower tiers.

[@Notdeadyettt]

I doubt even 25-30k. Flagrant 2 is deadass one of the most popular podcasts in the world lol. I think they prob have 7-12k

[@iconictees4061]

@@Notdeadyettt’m subbed to both. The engagement on JBP Patreon is like 10x Flagrant bro. Especially on the $25 tier.

[@nycpower9293]

@@Notdeadyettt I’m a subscriber of both and Joe’s Patreon has more subs than Flagrant for sure. Just off of comments and likes alone you can see that. Flagrant has become guest based at this point, so while they get more viewers on average on KZbin, a large chunk of those viewers tune in just for the guest. You can see that drastic dip in views when there’s no guest. JBP rarely has guest and their views are pretty consistent so we can assume a majority of their audience is just watching for them. Flagrant also only puts out 1 thing a week on Patreon, so people would be less likely to sub compared to Joe who puts out stuff 4-5 times a week. Also there was a glitch on Patreon a few months back that revealed the sub count for even those that have it private. Joe was around 23k sub and the subs have grown since then for sure.

[@Creolepanama]

He has to split all that money with the people he employs

[@nycpower9293]

@@Creolepanama And how much does he pay them? Paying employees isn’t exclusive to Joe, all podcasters have employees that they have to pay.

[@zay1521]

power 105 isn’t a podcast it’s a radio show..he’s giving ..wallo n gillie there cred as podcasters that has nothing to do with the money charlamagne is making from radio

[@way2gone23]

Aye Ak, I guess u forgot about Charlemagne on Brilliant Idiots.. Charlemagne did hop in podcasting

[@marquismills8313]

Talk your shit AK lol

[@mackenzieyoung5306]

Joe basically said "big bank take lil bank"

[@retro_addict22]

Why u be cutting out the juicy parts?? It’s jus KZbin yo page ain’t gone get taken down nigga 😭

[@brilliantlybnard_7600]

Love loss...funny how things change

[@DatDamDon]

This pocket watching shit is lame asf. Who cares what another person is making. As long as you are satisfied with what you’re getting, shouldn’t nothing else matters.

[@Pharoah510]

✅💎

[@princessgigi1527]

Joe on that white again

[@mywayworld8765]

Joe is so corny Dj Envy and Charlamagne shitting on him$$$😂😂

[@geraldcarter2412]

Pocket watching isn’t the move ever!

[@SoSmooth3800]

CTG got way more money Joe lol

[@CleansHaven]

Joe doesnt have ads on his show and they do like 5 episodes a week. They're not the same!!

[@Eddienumbers007]

They were certainly shading Joe. Idk nor care about who makes more than who but the shade is there

[@josephjames335]

@@cruzanassassin When did he shade them? besides the dev situation Joe don’t mention gillie

[@jleezy259]

They were sharing the complex list not Joe

[@Jay-bf4dt]

@@cruzanassassin charla was the same one calling Joe dumb for not taking the Spotify deal lol. Now he’s praising Gillie and Wallo. You don’t see the hypocrisy in that?

[@0624tre]

No they weren't. Saying they were shading Joe means u believe they were shading themselves 🤦🏾

[@Jay-bf4dt]

@@cruzanassassin not reading that sorry.

[@HardBodyTay0714]

AK talking about Joe being devious and taking subtle shots.. AK is the king of talking sly shit about everyone but not directly saying it with his chest 🤦🏻‍♂️ that’s why Sharp called him passive aggressive (which wasn’t the right wording) but I know exactly what he was trying to say

[@bisolo8]

AK is so young he doesn’t no about Gangsta Lean.

[@Drell82]

Gangsta lean young homie

[@beeoneal2520]

Fam! Charlemagne owns a podcast network and also the biggest radio show in the country. He makes allot more the Joe. It’s not even close and I’m a Joe supporter.

[@farrellcityking1]

He doesn’t own a podcast network. He has a percentage. And he signed a deal to be a radio host. We have no idea what both those things are worth. Especially considering he doesn’t own either of them.

[@2406Jackson]

He doesn’t own that shit Iheart owns it

[@mikebrownlow4242]

Don’t matter cuz he don’t own it he still get cut multi million dollar from different ventures consistently. Lol so what joe own his podcast he not getting cthagod money and joe didn’t make connections or have the reach breakfast club got . You trippin

[@Ro1Up]

We talking the same breakfast club that just signed to BET with no third Host?? Chili

[@SoSmooth3800]

Joe so delusional lol

[@sneakn]

Joe always gets blown up like a balloon then something comes along and pops his shyt....He never learns his lesson.

[@slickonthebeat22]

Did he forget that Charlamagne is a big dawg with iHeartRadio? He talking podcast money like Charla ain't getting big bread from RADIO😂 podcasting for Charlamagne seems like a side gig

[@deew.4920]

Ak, Joe Patreon do numbers