Is Missing Church a Mortal/Grave Sin According to Catholicism?

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[@danielfedele]

Ruslan i think you are missing the fact that if someone were to intentionally miss church on sunday. And if they were to give up their grace. They could come back to God in the sacrament of confession and be forgiven. And through the Sacrament of confession, we can return to Gods grace.

[@annb9029]

I think the missing church part got lost in the weeds , if you miss church because your sick or your kids sick or some outside obstacle not of your making that is not sin , but if you miss church because you deny Jesus and his word and church on purpose with no remorse , then that is a mortal sin , and if you don’t repent of that sin , yes you could go to hades, so if you did deny Jesus and his church snd don’t go to worship him , hopefully later on you realize you sinned and you confess the sin and become friends with Jesus again you will be saved

[@Sohanjs]

The difference is between mortal sin and Venial Sin, Mortal Sin in Grave Matter with Full Knowledge and Deliberate Consent. Missing sunday worship due to actually reason or without full knowledge or without Deliberate Consent, is not a mortal Sin. If your intention are to go to Sunday worship but you can't go due a genuine reason, it's not mortal sin. It's a sin that doesn't cut you from God grace. Also, If it is a genuine reason, then go next sunday to mass confess.

[@SAGKavin]

Without repentance there is no salvation. Repentance! repentance!

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

Brother I would love to come on your channel and have this discussion with you or both of you? 8 believe that I have a great biblical understanding in this topic.

[@Rubenclub23]

I do believe the different forms of worship play a big part in this. If Catholics believe they literally receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ. Saying "no" to that, is definitely a much bigger deal.

[@reymilano]

👏👏👏 You get the actual most important point for catholic theology THE EUCARIST

[@AC_S007]

Amen. But its not just that. The closer you are to Christ the greater the fall. James alludes to this when he discusses grave responsibility teachers have. James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness."

[@pragashgnana597]

Exactly

[@jd3jefferson556]

Exactly! Very charitable way to understand what Catholics are saying here

[@arkonwolves7192]

Actually, Lutherans still do believe Jesus’ blood and body are present is communion. So Lutherans understand this yet we still refuse to venerate saints.

[@kimberlykatiti6969]

A major problem is thinking Mass is the same as an evangelical church service. Two completely different things.

[@mikejames303]

Yeah, that's why Ruslan doesn't think it's a big deal to miss church, because, to be frank, what happens at his church isn't a big deal when compared to the Mass or Divine Liturgy.

[@robertparsons313]

@@mikejames303 Yes, if you believe Jesus is actually being sacrificed on the altar at every Mass, then that isn't the same thing as a service that praises the Risen Lord.

[@inspiers69]

@@robertparsons313 No one believes Jesus is being re-sacrificed at Mass. Nor is that the teaching. Mass is a participation in the ONE, ETERNAL sacrifice of Jesus.

[@223cw7]

@@robertparsons313 Luke 22:19: "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me'”

[@danvankouwenberg7234]

It's like going to the temple vs. going to the synagogue.

[@charlesudoh6034]

The difference here is Catholics' perspective on the Church is different from that of Protestants. For Catholics, Church service (Mass) isn't just fellowshiping with the brethren (although that is a major part of it), it is participating in the eternal offering the Son (Jesus) makes to the Father. For us Catholics, the Mass is sacrificial. Participating in the sacrifice and offering of Jesus. To knowingly say no to that for no reason, is a grave matter.

[@katieevie9854]

Not a Catholic myself- I suspect this is the clearest and strongest answer to why the difference, why speaking well past each other. The core purpose of church is not the same, so non attendance can’t be a mortal sin for a Protestant. Just a symptom of drifting.

[@maleeks8329]

So a human is repeatedly weekly re sacrificing Jesus, calling him back down from heaven to earth to be offered to us? Even though Jesus says he won’t return to the earth until when he comes back for his church? Makes you wonder which Christ these priests and popes are really calling down and making you consume 😮

[@jamesjacob4002]

@@maleeks8329 Where did you get that nonsensical take from? The Mass is participating in the once for all sacrifice of Christ that he did almost 2,000 years ago. It is the “re-presentation” of the sacrifice of Christ. The same one that Christ participated with his disciples.

[@charlesudoh6034]

@@maleeks8329 How are you guys comfortable with publicly displaying ignorance? The least you could do was spare five minutes to do a brief search on what the Catholic Church teaches on this issue. The teachings of the church are so organised and available online that it would take less than 5 minutes to get informed on an issue. Instead, you chose to embarrass yourself online.

[@charlesudoh6034]

@ The Mass isn't re-sacrificing Jesus, it is a PARTICIPATION in the eternal offering the Son makes to the Father.

[@lauranm9112]

Started going to Catholic Church back in March, and joining the church this coming Easter! It’s truly differences in theology that lead to this disagreement between Catholics and SOME Protestants. When I was non-denom, I went to church most Sundays but was totally okay with missing church, and would usually watch a sermon online if I did. I wasn’t the only one, it was so common for people to miss church for any and all reasons, but I think the main reason was that it felt so casual. I went if I felt like it. When I learned that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, when I understood what was happening, how could I not want to be there to witness such a miracle? I fell in love with the mass and wanted to be there every Sunday. Nothing is as important in my life as being there, with our Lord, on Sundays. I can’t believe I’ve missed out on this my whole life! The mass is truly a gift and an invitation, and I need that proximity to Christ as often as possible. If I missed mass I’d be worried for my soul, because it would mean I was rejecting that invitation from the Lord. I pray for grace and perseverance so that never happens.

[@MeederTom]

I honestly don’t feel that way. I go every week to evangelical church. I go because they teach the word of God and don’t fluff up the service with o biblical rituals. I don’t want to miss because the word being taught is nourishing to me. And there’s nothing wrong with going virtual. During the week I learn from a pastor I found on KZbin who teaches through the Bible.

[@lauranm9112]

@ I 100% see the value in that, I loved my evangelical church, it’s where I learned to love the Word. The difference is that at Catholic mass (and some traditional Protestant denominations) we have the Eucharist, which is an essential part of the Catholic faith, and essential to Catholics who believe in the true presence. Attending mass just has a different significance for me now. I also go to hear scripture but in a way I could get that anywhere. Communion on the other hand only takes place at mass. I’m not trying to diminish the significance of hearing the Word at church, in community; just trying to illustrate why the mass is so special and important to Catholics and why missing mass is considered a sin. That’s not to say Catholics don’t ever miss mass, we are all human and will sin so thank the Lord for his mercy… but every Catholic with full understanding of the true presence should also understand why it’s a sin.

[@MeederTom]

The Catholic Church has a lot in common with the Pharisees. Very legalistic. God isn’t angry with you when you miss church. You can even spend time with fellow Christian’s in a park instead. Share a meal. Break your own bread together in His name. Same thing. I know the mystique of the Catholic mass I’ve been to many of them. Just felt them lacking in the true meaning of the gospel. That it’s faith in Jesus that saves. Never learned that until I shifted to a more Protestant church.

[@sozonpv]

@@MeederTom It's not about a feeling. Its about exploring what the truth is. If the truth subsists in the Catholic Church, that is where I'm going to be regardless if the Mass is fluffed up or not. Either hold fast to tradition, or hold fast to your feelings. As for me, if I'm going to have to give an account for what has been passed down through the martyrs, saints, and the bishops, then I had better stay in the state of grace and avoid the near occasion of sin.

[@MeederTom]

@ it’s not about feelings. It’s about the word of God. Traditions and feelings don’t matter. And in my experience the truth is not with the Catholic Church. Or in a building or in traditions or feelings about Mary that are nowhere found in the Bible.

[@joelrobertsonmusic]

It seemed likes Ruslan kept going back to the idea of someone accidentally missing church even after Voice of Reason laid out clear parameters.

[@Browndog222]

My thoughts exactly... But again, that sort of bleeds into the protestant ideology of freedom... It's commonly become something that is reh response to the actual requirement to do anything as a Christian... Its a hyper sense of freedom that permits you to do anything so long as your "your heart is in the right place." And of course that becomes the point of contention and the protestant worldview can't reconcile themselves with the requirement to do anything as a Christian.

[@mma-jmu]

He’s not very bright.

[@Browndog222]

I think the big difference is that the protestant worldview is hyper fixated on Grace as they see it. Which is a hyper sense of freedom. I think the concepts here are often muddied as the protestant worldview often does not understand the nuance of Catholic theology. It's very clear but to the protestant mind it really doesn't click because they have almost a different definition of these various concepts. Sola Scriptura also has muddied the waters because they now rely solely on the idea that the Bible ALONE has all they need where the church has no influence unless the church is relying only on interpretive practices of today rather than what the church has taught for 2k years.

[@Browndog222]

@@mma-jmu I wouldn't say that he isn't bright, but it's just a flawed starting point. I think he is so caught up in protestant doctrine and interpretation as opposed to seeking understanding of the other viewpoint.

[@richardromanashton]

The lack of charitableness towards each other as Christians whether Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic is gross and sad. It’s gotta stop with us. We need to find ways to stop being so condescending and holier than thou. Its wreaks of the same mistakes of the Sadducees and Pharisees. Prove me right by giving me some kind of sarcastic or condescending rebuttal to a desire to come together and work these differences out in love and humility instead of how we’ve been acting . I can’t be the only one who’s sick of all this pettiness … 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Notouchs]

You two are just talking past each other here. The Catholic View is that purposely missing Mass is a mortal sin. Deliberately turning away from God and saying "no thank you, my way is better" is what VoR is meaning. Accidentally slipping up once or twice due to unforseen circumstances doesn't qualify as a mortal sin - which is what I think Ruslan is talking about here. Even if you do turn away from God and refuse to go to Mass, the Church and God are merciful and you can always return and repent - the sacrament of confession. Christ instituted the sacrament of confession as a guaranteed means of forgiveness. However, if you can't access it, you can always be forgiven through extraordinary means as long as your repentance is contrite and authentic.

[@cmartin999]

"Christ instituted the sacrament of confession ... however, if you can't access it" Why would you be unable to access confession? Can't you confess your sins to God directly?

[@gabbes23]

@@cmartin999 It's because creating an empire out of a religion and consecrating yourself a godking/emperor requires you to bend the rules a little. Confession and the ability to forgive sin, gives one the authority of Jesus, which is why the pope calls himself the Vicar, the vicarious son of God, because Jesus is supposed to be dead I guess.... I couldn't imagine a greater sin to commit. God help those men who would stand in the place of a God and commit debauchery in his name. But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your [c]Teacher, [d]the Christ, and you are all brethren (equal). 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be [e]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be [f]exalted. 13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 [g]Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

[@vman9347]

@@cmartin999we have to confess our sins to eachother like it says in the Bible. But if you can’t go to a priest you can pray to god directly. The priest is the means god gave us for the forgiveness of our sins.

[@cmartin999]

@vman9347 Yes, you are right, each other. Meaning not some 'special' Christian but other believers.

[@jd3jefferson556]

This was very well said man. God bless

[@18Tonks]

I feel like I’m being re-convinced of my Catholic faith listening to this guy.

[@MS33496]

It makes me glad I left. The idea that missing mass sends you to hell is ridiculous. The idea that you lose your salvation every time you commit a so-called mortal sin (which could even just be a thought) without confessing to a priest and saying a few “Hail Mary’s” is also ridiculous.

[@aronbabb115]

This debate gave me a headache lol I'm a protestant but I feel like I came down on the side of Voice of reason.

[@edwinacuna7412]

That’s because you have reverence for God, and while most people are culturally Catholic, I find an immense joy in the discipline in attending Mass every Sunday and holy days of obiligation.

[@edward_19]

I’m Catholic and I can imagine some things may be hard or seem “extreme” for a Protestant, especially from a dialogue like this. However, I’m glad you can at least appreciate the Catholic perspective. Blessings ❤️

[@DavidTextle]

This wasn’t a debate as much as a discussion. VOR focuses on this specific branch of apologetics whereas Ruslans doesn’t, and I still landed on Ruslans side

[@joseangelcasillas7115]

You came down on the side of saved by Works? Based on his argument, His whole concept and understanding of salvation is contingent on HIM, on what he decided. However it’s the Holy Spirit who draws us into salvation. Yes we respond to his calling but salvation is a work from God not of us. Our free will does not trump Gods sovereignty.

[@Sunny-hv7pt]

Watch his debate against Dr. James White regarding Sola Scriptura. For a theologian defending scripture alone, Dr. White used very little scripture while Voice of Reason had all his arguments backed up by scripture. I'm a former atheist now Catholic 😊

[@ryanwann6442]

Ruslan provided a moving target. Tough to have a conversation that way. “I think” probably carries no weight here. What is the truth and who has the authority to decide what the truth of Scripture is matters. If Jesus instituted a Church, you listen to it.

[@MavourneenKathleen-l5j]

Excellent point.

[@Jerahzz]

Jesus also taught us how to pray and who to pray to, yet Catholics disobey that and pray to Mary, saints, and angels. So are you really listening or not?

[@jperello001]

I would rather die than miss the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Love this podcast

[@jaybelle1909]

Jesus died and was sacrificed 2k years ago. I think you missed it

[@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077]

@@jaybelle1909 Your comment is silly

[@MavourneenKathleen-l5j]

Wow. That is very offensive and totally representing the type if alkegations passd along by small fubdamentalist sects. Christ died once but the effects of His grace is made perpetual at every Mass all down the ages for every human who lived, for thise today, and for those who live tomorrow, Best advice is to move on to a more truth filled congregation that does not bear false witness, which is a grave sin.

[@sozonpv]

The truth is your soul begins to die when you miss the holy obligation of attending Mass.

[@bencook6585]

The thing Ruslan is failing to understand is that a mortal sin in the Catholic view requires FULL knowledge and FULL consent. Therefore, if someone is committing a mortal sin, they know that such a sin is contrary to God's will, they know that it is grave, and they know it will separate them from God, and yet they still do it. This is akin to walking away from the faith, because the faith requires one's whole self. We cannot hold things back from God. Also, there's a false conception that if you just miss church accidentally you're instantly going to hell. This is not true. You can miss church for valid reasons (like staying with a sick child) without committing a mortal sin. The mortal sin only comes into play if you can go, know that you should go, and yet choose not to.

[@IntheL1ght]

So what if you stop going to church because the people there are not helping you getting closer to God, but then you stay home on Sunday and read more from your Bible and pray more thoughtfully and get more out of the bible and works of the early church fathers, and do more volunteer work because by not going you have less guilt and feel closer to God by your own worship? Is it still mortal sin because your heart is in the right place, but the official church the priests joked all the time and clanged the holy objects together unceremoniously when prepping the eucharist? So if you feel closer to God by worshipping him on your own more heartfelt then is it still a mortal sin? Or should you just go to church superficially to avoid mortal sin?

[@bencook6585]

@IntheL1ght If Christ is in the Eucharist, you must go where he is. Nothing else matters.

[@IntheL1ght]

@@bencook6585 I see your point there. But with all the controversy around the pope is Christ still in the catholic church? Or is he in the Eastern orthodox church? Or is he in all churches that give him worship? Or is he only in the eucharist?

[@bencook6585]

@IntheL1ght Did Christ promise us that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church? His promises cannot fail, i will trust him.

[@Illbebeck2443]

Yes!

[@enzoaugustine]

Never thought id see Alex on Bless God studios. Shouts out to you Alex, Glory to Jesus Christ ✝️✊🏾

[@kristinstohelit2195]

I am so glad I arrived at the RCC from non beliving evangelical to wiccan to now fully beliving catholic going to latin mass. Everything makes so much more sense now. One of many good explanations by Voice of reason.

[@hanmirz4803]

Welcome home Sister. Keep praying Holy Rosary and Divine Mercy daily.

[@kristinstohelit2195]

@@hanmirz4803 Thank you ❤️ I have been praying the rosary every day for over a year now. I started when my mother was diagnosed with brain cancer, so far she is still with us 🙏 and I pray that our lord lets her live so she too can truly get to know him.

[@janewilmer6396]

We are the Catholic Church. The term Roman was added by apostates.

[@MeederTom]

I went from Catholic to Wicca/new age to an evangelical church. The denomination doesn’t mean much to me. Just like to be taught the word!

[@hanmirz4803]

@MeederTom might as well revisit the Catholic Church. It's true , holy and Apostolic. Still standing despite being run by sinners for 2000 years.

[@MrMustang13]

So proud to be Catholic. Alex did amazing as per usual.

[@Levij83]

@@MrMustang13 he’s one of the best!

[@algorithm007ify]

Pride.... what does the bible say about that? Pharisees ring a bell?

[@MrMustang13]

@@algorithm007ify oh we shouldn’t be proud followers of Christ?

[@TheMoisterizer]

@@algorithm007ify "If you are going to boast, BOAST IN THE LORD" - 1st Corinthians 1:31

[@rachaelveronica7864]

I never got any real change until the Eucharist and adoration Finally I know what it meant when Christ said, “ my peace i leave with you. Thank God for the Catholic faith. 2 words Divine intervention

[@Lisayourra329]

I love you Alex. You tried with Ruslan but he’s a typical defiant Protestant . I pray for him . I actually like Ruslan , I’m a former follower. It took you and Tammy Peterson for me to come back to his channel . JESUS LEFT US A CHURCH!

[@fredymontoya1454]

Ruslan with Pints With Aquinas and Voice of Reason in 2024!! Ruslan, you're going out with a bang this year!! I love your content! I'm a Catholic but your channel and Capturing Christianity have been my top separated brethren podcasts! May God bless your work!! 🙏🏽✝️

[@Cato1006]

Separated??? I am a former Catholic, I am not separated, but liberated!

[@Commentapologetics]

@@Cato1006you didn’t give Catholicism a chance

[@fredymontoya1454]

@Cato1006 No, you just left the beauty of Christ's Church for more of a comfort. Following and worshipping God is not easy. We have our fallen human nature. Many tend to leave because they don't like that God has set rules for His church.

[@SuperSaiyanScandinavian]

@@Cato1006 you're not liberated at all

[@jtrixj4676]

Thanks Ruslan for bringing Alex on your channel. Alex has such a great voice, and very knowledgable about the catholic faith, love listening to him

[@bLaKeAnThOnY0]

This cannot be understood without first understanding what the Mass is and what the Eucharist is. The Mass re-presents Christ’s one sacrifice (because it is infinite and thus infinitely re-presentable). Receiving the Eucharist is truly receiving Jesus Christ and participating in the New Covenant. So, to just decide not to go to Mass would be to say you do not want to participate in the New Covenant that week or commune with Christ. You don’t want to receive Him and is to actually reject Christ since He is truly present in the Eucharist. I’m not looking to argue over these things because I understand that this is a Protestant channel so you (likely) do not believe in Christ’s true presence in the Eucharist. I only say this because it helps you at least see where we are coming from, it really falls back to these fundamental underlying differences in our beliefs in worship and communion. When one views church as actually receiving Christ and participating in His sacrifice it makes a lot more sense why choosing not to would jeopardize your salvation. Again, you could say all of that about the Mass and Christ’s true presence in the Eucharist is false and that’s fine, I’m not here to argue over that on KZbin. I just want to shed some light on why we believe missing Mass is a mortal sin, which is wrapped up in what the Mass is and what the Eucharist is.

[@D20034]

I’m an ortho bro and I love watching you and Alex from the voice of reason 🗣️ God bless you both my brothers in Christ ❤

[@LeBillionn]

Major props to ruslan for actually bringing the voice of reason onto the show

[@albusai]

There's no reason in Roman catholicism

[@223cw7]

@@albusai how old is your church?

[@aureum7479]

@@albusaiprove it

[@her-myoh-nee1324]

​@@223cw7older than the Roman Catholic church which is NOT the same as the original Catholic church. Regardless, what does it matter? Y'all pray to humans and think that's 1) biblical and 2) not idolatry. No thank you.

[@hexo-mobius]

Hahaha oh man, that’s hilarious

[@ainako1010]

9:50 (Maybe Alex will clarify) But there's a difference between PURPOSEFULLY missing church and let's say oversleeping (while bad, it's not because you intentionally with full knowledge wanted to miss mass). Also, I aside from covid era (which we had a dispensation "approval from our bishop" to not attend weekly mass), I cannot recall a time where I missed mass. It's just one hour of your ENTIRE week. You can go to school, work, grocery shopping, etc. I'm sure you can find time to go to mass. Also, I'm 13 years active-duty military (USAF) and at least in my experience my leadership/work centers have ALWAYS been accommodating to my faith.

[@DanielleEm-wp4ff]

Exactly, every breath every moment we have is because God gave it to us and protestants act like going to masss once and week and a couple extra times a year is so bad, I enjoy going to mass and it gives you Grace even if you aren't receiving communion that week

[@ainako1010]

@@DanielleEm-wp4ff I really like towards the end of the video (clip) where Alex says, going to mass is an invitation. YESSSS, AMEN. I enjoy going to mass. And if there was a day I didn't want to go (which I cannot recall off the top of my head) then it means even MORE, I NEED TO GO.

[@DaBladePwn]

As a protestant, the problem I have is how much you guys emphasize the importance of mass. Yes I believe church is important to worship God and connect with other believers and build strength and faith in God. Overall in most topics in catholicism the problem I keep seeing is the lack of importance of Jesus and what He did. Christ bridged the gap between man and God but i need to pray to Mary for intercession? Christ bridged the gap but I need to confess my sins to a priest? Christ bridged the gap but I still need to keep showing up to mass for what at times sounds like, atoning of sins? It sounds like the catholic church is trying to make itself a necessity for salvation which sounds very dangerous

[@DanielleEm-wp4ff]

@DaBladePwn At Mass we participate in what Jesus did for us, you can't over emphasize the importance of Mass while missing what Jesus did for us

[@DanielleEm-wp4ff]

@DaBladePwn and what's the meaning of John 20:23 if we were not meant to go to a priest to have sins forgiven ? It's not a work to go to the confessional it's free Grace that's what you guys seems to miss its a gift

[@---bl2uj]

“For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.” ‭‭Titus‬ ‭3‬:‭3‬-‭7‬

[@tonyguillen3224]

You got it bro, we're causing division and judging each other when we're all brothers in Christ and regardless if one side is in sin or vice versa according to each side's beliefs, Jesus Christ still paid the price 100% for our sins and what matters is whether or not the 100% of our fait and trust is placed in him and him only Jesus is Lord🙏

[@troyschuler186]

I love Voice of Reason. I'm glad to see him actively bringing the Catholic faith to Protestant circles.

[@AUAGV]

AMEN ALEX, AS A DAILY BIBLE READING CATHOLIC....YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.....PRAISE ALMIGHTY FATHER GOD YAHWEH, JESUS YESHUA AND THE HOLY SPIRIT 🙏

[@petermuneme25]

This comment is gonna be long but it should help clear up some of this. Because it seems you guys are talking past each other here. The Nature of Missing Mass and Mortal Sin 1. Grave Matter: Missing Sunday Mass without a serious reason (e.g., illness, lack of access) is considered grave matter because it involves breaking the Third Commandment and neglecting the communal worship due to God and the Church. 2. Full Knowledge and Deliberate Consent: For the sin to be mortal, the man must have knowingly and willfully chosen to skip Mass, fully understanding the gravity of the act. If these conditions are met, the sin is mortal, which ruptures his relationship with God. --- Repentance and the State of the Soul at Death 1. Signs of Repentance: If this man, after choosing to skip Mass, sincerely regrets his action, feels contrite, and desires to confess, he shows a willingness to return to God’s mercy. True repentance can lead to forgiveness, even without sacramental confession, if confession is unavailable and he makes an act of perfect contrition. Perfect Contrition: This means he repents out of love for God above all things, not merely fear of punishment. With perfect contrition, his mortal sin can be forgiven, even if he dies before confessing. 2. No Repentance at Death: If, however, he persists in his decision and dies unrepentant, this could result in eternal separation from God, as mortal sin without repentance leads to Hell. This isn’t merely God’s judgment but the soul’s free rejection of His love and mercy. --- Does God Consider the Man’s Past? Yes, God considers the entirety of a person’s life and their ultimate disposition toward Him at the moment of death: 1. God’s Mercy: God’s mercy is infinite, and He desires the salvation of all (1 Timothy 2:4). It’s reasonable to believe that God, knowing this man’s life of faithfulness, love, and sincere repentance in the past, would give him every opportunity to repent, even in his final moments. 2. Opportunities at Death: The Church teaches that God can work in extraordinary ways, even at the moment of death, to call souls to repentance. This could happen through an inner conviction, a flash of clarity about their need for God, or even extraordinary phenomena like a vision or spiritual experience. St. Faustina wrote about Christ’s final approach to souls at the hour of death, giving them the opportunity to accept His mercy. 3. Justice and Free Will: While God offers every grace for repentance, He also respects human freedom. If this man resists all opportunities to repent, God will honor that decision, even though it grieves His Heart. --- Practical Analogy Think of God as the perfect, loving Father. If a son, who has been good for most of his life, disobeys and strays, the father doesn’t suddenly abandon or judge him based on one act. Instead, he tries to reach out, offering reconciliation. But if the son stubbornly refuses, the broken relationship persists-not because of the father, but because of the son’s choice. --- Conclusion: Would He Be Saved? If Contrite: If the man showed contrition, either in life or at the moment of death, he could be saved-even without confession, assuming his contrition was sincere. If Unrepentant: If he refused to repent, despite understanding the gravity of his sin, he would reject God’s mercy and thus choose separation (Hell). --- God is not bound by His sacraments but offers them as a sure path to grace. At the same time, He provides extraordinary opportunities for those who, for any reason, fail to avail themselves of the ordinary means.

[@RobertDipaula-j8o]

PERFECT 👌.... 😎

[@RobertDipaula-j8o]

WELL ✔️ DONE💯

[@christopherconicella4285]

What’s your source?

[@petermuneme25]

@@christopherconicella4285 Catechism of the Catholic Church and bishops

[@chelseam754]

Amazing explanation!!! I appreciate your clarity

[@OniLeafNin]

The commandment “keep holy the Lords day” isn’t understood by Protestants? What happened to being like the early Church?

[@Magoo277]

20:25 ruslan... either you're just ignorant of what he (and many other Catholics who have been on your channel) said about it being serious if and only if the serious criteria are met, or you're being dishonest. He clearly stated why it would be a serious sin and cases where it wouldn't be. The fact you're still arguing it seems a bit "intense" to come to that conclusion that you're in grave sin makes no sense given his explanation on venial and mortal sin.

[@liljinjar1268]

No it makes perfect sense coming from a non-Catholic perspective. This concept of “grave sin for missing church” is an extra biblical idea not expressed or ironed out in scripture. And the consequence of “grave sin that leads away from the presence of God which could end in separation from God” is pretty intense for an extra biblical idea. I am a pastor and I very passionately believe the body of Christ should set priority and honor to God on the Lord’s day. I also believe in the incomparable importance of communion. But I am very hesitant to die on ideological hills built on extra biblical dogmatic tradition. That last sentence sounds harsh, but I do not intend it in a harsh way. We are all brothers in Christ and I only wish to speak honestly.

[@SizzleD61]

Many protestants and reformed are not ready for the idea that you can turn away from God as easily as neglecting Mass. I realize that loss of salvation for such a seemingly minor offense is offensive to non-Catholics. It took me a long time to understand and come to terms with the reality and consequences of mortal sin. But the fact is that we are called to live a certain lifestyle. We are all disciples of Christ and as such we cannot live our lives any way we want. We must constantly strive and fail and strive again to live in the way that is pleasing to God. "Not all who say to me 'Lord, lord' will enter the Kingdom of God." I came to realize that I was looking at sin through a legalistic lens (I believe this is a common vice among Catholics). God will not abandon anyone who is actively seeking him. If you sin, do not despair and think "if I happen to die now I will surely be damned," but rather pray and have faith that God is continuing to work in you even as you fight against him. When the Apostles began to despair as their boat was being thrown about by a storm, Jesus chastised them for their lack of faith. In the same way, when you are anxious and thinking that you will be eternally damned because of one sin, realize that what you are lacking is faith. You need only confess and your sins will be blotted out. The only thing you must never do is give up and fully turn away from God.

[@michaelbush1374]

This might be one of the best responses I've seen from a Catholic so far. Thanks for not condemning protestants just for the sake of it.

[@christianaquino5230]

Amend

[@MatthewPatel-hx4ci]

It’s important to separate salvation/ eternal life in the kingdom of God from discipleship. The Reason why is because it contradicts the Bible and God is not a liar. John 3:16 Ephesians 2:8~9 and many more verse prove Jesus saves you through faith not works. Also that verse, Not all who say Lord lord will enter the kingdom etc…Matthew 7:21 is talking about works trusters like Catholics and even Protestant’s that backload works into the gospel and never did the will of the father which was to simply believe that Jesus gives us eternal life. Look: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21~23 “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40 Please take Jesus for his word and believe in him for eternal life. Stop trusting in your works.

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

Isaiah had to be cleansed with fire for the sins he uttered (via the mouth) before he could see Heaven and God. Purification and the purging of sins (imperfections) is not a.concept made up by man, it is The Word of God that tells us this. Every sola scripturist should stand by The Word.

[@andrewsantillan6020]

You are talking of Apostacy which I think we all agree on. I think what we are tripping out on is you are condemned to Hell if you miss a mass one time for whatever reason. I think God is more gracious then that and you guys shouldn't worry of eternal damnation for it. Mercy triumphs over judgement as James says.

[@stevenkushnerick2084]

Always good content! This Catholic appreciates it

[@DrewH-u9f]

I’m a Catholic too and Go Birds 🦅

[@stevenkushnerick2084]

@ fly Eagles fly

[@joelrobertsonmusic]

To Ruslan’s point, God doesn’t kick you out of the house but his children can certainly leave. Prodigal son story makes this clear.

[@barbwellman6686]

@@joelrobertsonmusic Luke 15 32But it was fitting to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

[@glendanikolakakos7431]

God doesn’t kick you out, the person does who have chosen to worship other things on the day of the Lord whatever that is maybe , Like voice of reason say you are welcome to come back but needed to go to confession first and be clean again of your mortal sins and then be free to worship God again with the renew spirit pure garment so to speak, there’s always hope while you were alive

[@aclaylambisabirdman6324]

The whole point of that story is two-fold, we are beloved by God and no matter how far we fall we can come back, but it is also a reminder to the faithful, not to profess to know better than God least we find ourselves like the "good son" now standing outside of the Lord's House condemning God for rewarding someone you deem unworthy of God's grace. Your knowledge and intent both equally matter. To not know is to still be like a child and to be punished lightly, to mean well is to be loved well by God, but to know and to then do it with hatred in your heart? Christ have mercy upon your soul.

[@Zz-lm1no]

The Elder son never left the house yet had no love for his brother "that son of yours" nor the father in the way that he felt he was "owed" something for all his Obedience of working all those years. His motivation of thinking he was working for God on his terms is more subtle yet just as much if not more of a warning than the younger sons redemption and forgivness The elder son was physically present but his heart was miles away

[@HipHip_Jorge]

Man this was a good convo! I really do enjoy all the guests you bring on from every faith tradition. As a catholic I’m praying for more unity in the body of Christ! This show really does help in that area of trying to understand each other and most important demonstrate brotherly love! God bless your ministry bro!

[@MatthewPatel-hx4ci]

As a Christian I hope you will take Jesus for his word and simply believe Jesus for eternal life instead of looking at your works to have confidence you are saved.❤

[@HipHip_Jorge]

@ I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen. That’s what I believe and every Catholic! God bless you homie!

[@HipHip_Jorge]

@ btw that was written just about 1700 years before you and I ever existed. And that will continue to be recited every Sunday by the billions of Catholics world wide until Jesus returns! But i ain’t tripping too hard because I used to be just like you, I’m a convert to the Catholic Church from evangelical Christianity so I get it why you would hit me up like that questioning my relationship with Jesus. It’s an evangelical tactic. So just know this I love Jesus and I wish to obey him with my whole heart. You can’t really question that because you don’t know me in real life. We’re talking through KZbin. So it’s a bit rude and disingenuous to question another Christian’s faith over KZbin because you can’t truly speak into their life. If you really want to dialogue with Catholics schedule a meeting with a priest deacon or even church staff. They would be happy to talk to you about your objections. Like I said initially it’s about brotherly love. God bless all my orthodox, evangelical, high church Protestants and non denominational Christians! We are all baptized into Christ so we all put on Christ! I’m rooting for all of us to finish the race and hear the words from Jesus welcome home good and faithful servant.

[@Melyssa.RLopez]

I agree, I'm christian and my husband is catholic and so I always like when we can agree and disagree in love Ruslan does a great job. Keep us united.

[@SealabCaptMurphy]

I just can't get over how the definition of interceding gets changed from "praying for someone" to "praying to someone". If I ask you to pray for me, that doesn't mean I'm praying to you. Prayer is for God, even in pagan religions, prayer is for their object of worship. 1Timothy 2 clearly says that there is only one mediator when you pray to The Father. Also "graven images" are sculpted images (statues or any "carved" image). Exodus 4 These two scriptures seem completely ignored when people kneel to statues of Mary and pray to her. Even in James 5:13(and following verses) asking a more righteous man (elder of the Church) is not the same as praying to Mary. In order to make it make sense, you have to change definitions. It just feels like "twisting" scripture.

[@LukeWills-ui8nu]

All the new videos with voice of reason are fire. Me and my cousin are starting a channel together. He’s a catholic and I’m a Protestant so that should be interesting😂. It’s awesome watching you guys find unity where you can and respect each other as brothers, but also stand firm on your own traditions and give due diligence to try and reflect them accurately.

[@rookiedriver6770]

Thank you for having allowing Voice of reason to be on! 💪

[@liliarosales1961]

I see what you’re saying about seeing it from a parent/ child relationship, Ruslan. However, contextually God is trying to marry us. It is both /and. He has pitty and extends mercy the way we do to our children because we know they don’t know better AND He expects total fidelity and intimacy the way a husband expects that from his wife.

[@dude9318]

Married in a figurative sense however As we are seen as His children

[@disguisedcentennial835]

Contextually God is trying to adopt us as his children, co-heirs with Christ his Son. He’s not trying to literally marry us lol. But the adoption is absolutely literal. He wants a family, not a spouse. That’s why angels are called sons of God.

[@aceswizzo8665]

Let me ask you this what did Jesus mean in the parable of the prodigal son?

[@dude9318]

@aceswizzo8665 Well when we come back to God He will also forgive us The story shows how big Gods love is for us

[@jayslayzz9978]

Mass to us Catholics isn’t just another Sunday. It is where we receive our Lord by body and blood. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith. We hold Mass every day and if you can’t even make it one day of the week on His day then of course it’s a mortal sin. Especially when you deliberately choose to miss for something other than work, sickness, children. So yes, it is a deliberate choice to separate yourself from God.

[@charliegeorge4247]

@@jayslayzz9978 very good explanation. Clears everything up now.

[@DrewH-u9f]

You did better the VOR here lol

[@jaybelle1909]

Mass is just a symbolic act of something Jesus did 2k years ago and what he did when a delivery first comes to God... you don't get saved by mass nor dies not taking it condemn someone to hell... to be saved the Bible list the 2 commandments to obey and that is love God and love ppl... Mass and going to church helps believers stay on track but its not mandatory... and there is no guarantee that consistent church attendance and Mass partaking keeps ppl from sinning... as a Christian you can't separate yourself from God unless you fully decide and fully comit to divorcing God... a person could never go to church or ever partake in mass and will still be saved... if that person had engaged in those things it would be of benefit and encouragement but its not necessary

[@DrewH-u9f]

@ cool story bro

[@jordanmaymusic]

So if my whole life is rooted in loving God, & loving my neighbors, bearing the fruit of the spirit and being sanctified day by day, but I miss a service from 10-11:30am on a Sunday monrning my name gets blotted out of the book of life? This is why I’ve changed my vocabulary as it pertains to “Church” so heavily. We always talk about “Going to Church”, but forget that we ARE the Church bro! & our whole life is our worship to God. Not just one service on one particular day. Every moment of every day. Walking in relationship. Don’t it twisted, we shouldn’t neglect gathering with our brothers and sisters! But losing salvation over one missed service is wild. Great convo, I def share Ruslans perspective on this one.

[@oggolbat7932]

"Service" is not just a lecture, it's communion with God, is sharing Heaven with Him now. If you want to commune with God in Heaven, why wouldn't you want to commune with Him now?

[@mikejames303]

No, you can miss as many protestant services as you want, that isn't what Christians define as worship. There is no sin in missing a Sunday service as there is in missing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass or Divine Liturgy. Ruslan seems to be conflating the 2 here, so of course he wouldn't see why it's such a big deal.

[@dmd418]

To clear it up, he's talking about purposefully missing the sacrifice of the mass. He's not talking about protestant services. You can miss as much protestant church as you want.

[@dannydenig4601]

Imagine being blessed with an entire week of LIFE and OPPORTUNITY and finding it too burdensome & too much of a responsibility to thank and worship in absolute adoration the Creator who granted everything to you!

[@Lisayourra329]

Ruslan, you can’t view your relationship with God the same as your relationship with your children . You are not Divine, you are not your children’s saviour . You are to lead them to honour God’s authority. Because your authority is limited to 18yrs. The magistrum of the Catholic Church is what we were left with once Jesus ascended. He didn’t leave it up to Martin Luther 1500 years later to reform what God got right in the 1st place .

[@johnramirez2539]

“Where sin abounds grace much more abounds.” We should not abuse grace but when we do sin we have grace because Jesus took my sins on the cross

[@JosuetTorres777]

Voice of Reason is so knowledged. Bless him

[@Cato1006]

Satan is knowledgeable too.

[@JosuetTorres777]

@ indeed he is; why bring him up though?

[@glorytahj]

@@JosuetTorres777 no way he calling VoR Satan 😭

[@robertkolinsky1286]

​@@Cato1006 doesn't mean hes Satan. God has all knowledge so knowledge is inherently good not evil even if Satan has it to a limited extent. Devil uses his knowledge to pervert and divide. It was revealed in catholic revelations that shortly after christ death the demons held a council in hell and there concocted all the different heresies, falsehoods, plans to divide, destroy or at least hinder Christians in their relationship with christ. Then and there in the minds of the demons began the heresy of Arius, Nestorius, Mohammed and all other false sects brought and will be until the christ comes and puts an end to time.

[@robertkolinsky1286]

​​@@Cato1006 yes but God is all knowledge so knowledge is inherently good. Devil uses knowledge to pervert and divide.

[@lululuna1120]

This is great! It wasn’t until I became Catholic did I know what “worshiping God” actually means. Listening to a Christian band and/or listening to a 45 minute sermon is not worshiping God. Taking part in the communion of the Lamb of God IS worshiping God!! Going yo Mass brings so much Grace I love to go to Mass not only on Sundays but every day!! He is sooooo Good! Manna from Heaven!!

[@Jerahzz]

You only worship the lord at mass? Not every day?

[@BrieCracker]

10:10 "...to me..." This is what Catholics avoid (hopefully). 'My' understanding, 'my' interpretation.. It's very easy to put self in the center stage of interpreting and understanding or compare our earthy relationships to God's relationship with us. Ex. Well, as a parent, 'I would never' ___ to my kid, so therefore, since God is greater then I, he wouldn't do less than I. Does it seem that human nature is to choose the path of least resistance? Do we try to bring God down into our simpler, easier way or do we move ourselves up to meet God though it's a tougher path? Who owes who what?

[@christianglashoff15]

The thing that Ruslan is missing is that you can go to confession after committing a mortal sin and if your confession is sincere and you don’t want to commit the sin again the priest will forgive you that sin in the name of Christ and the church. “I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” That way you’re no longer cut of from God’s grace anymore and saved.

[@carmeister_]

I work graveyard so once I’m off at 7:30AM I have Latin Mass at 10AM (not yet Catholic as I need RCIA) and often times I’m so tired from work (hospital) that I lay down in my room and say Lord forgive me I’m tired. I’ll try to make it to an afternoon Mass or even the Vietnamese Mass lol even a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. The Lord knows my heart He knows I love Him bro I hope I haven’t offended Him by missing Mass sometimes.

[@D20034]

He understands brother, it would be different if you let’s say have a standard 9-5 or a business owner and you have time all day on Sunday to go to mass and you just say “nah I’m going to just stay in” that would be different

[@ejm2e]

According to this guy, you are going to hell some of the week. Christs sacrifice doesn't cover your (mortal) sins until you are repentant of them. If that sounds different than what you are reading in your bible, it's because it is different friend.

[@OT-jr8qt]

@@carmeister_ try and attend a weekday mass too, so if you miss Sunday then you’ve still gone at least once that week. God bless you

[@ClintonPenheiro]

Go rest in the house of the Lord. Awake or asleep, He appreciates and seeks your presence. Worry not of the gaze of the people around you. Keep your eyes only towards the gaze of our Father.

[@dr_beardface]

@@ejm2e I think he's doing a poor job of describing the Catholic position. Its not hell-bound if you miss mass. Its the rejection of Christ that damns you. If you say, "I dont care about going to church. It's not important" Thats NOT okay. ESPECIALLY for catholics and early Lutherans because we believe that the Eucharist is LITERALLY the body and blood of Christ. So if you blow it off - you're literally rejecting him. But that's far off from - I want to go, but im exhausted. I need to rest. It's been a long week. I feel ill. I need to work. Etc. etc. Christ knows our hearts and he knows WHY you do as you do. Sinning is forgiven and we're saved. But Catholicism says - Here is the law that Christ expects you to TRY to follow. Keep trying. Keep giving him your heart and you're fine. But deny him for your own selfish reasons, and there's a problem.

[@danielburton1046]

Great guest! Explains the catholic position very well. Good job bringing on opposing views. God bless

[@paulcapaccio9905]

He is teaching what the church teaches. If we sin we have the sacrament of pennance but we must use it and be sincere

[@MeederTom]

Of course. Any church teaches that that is biblical. We need to come back into right relationship with God.

[@roboboy731]

The Parable of the Prodigal Son is such a great response to Ruslan's questions. The son had to come back and repent in order to be received.

[@Steve_Schiffenhaus]

Was thinking the exact same thing when he said that as well

[@cuzins101]

man thats why i fk w Ruslan, he be having everyone on the channel fye

[@arturo4673]

My first time hearing Alex, looking forward to hearing more from him. Ruslan glad you are asking questions and being open to dialogue. People are spoiled with great content.

[@l-Arm.of.God-l]

11:28 he needs to read the full chapter of Hebrews....it's not saying what he wants it to say

[@philipmarchalquizar7741]

Thank you Voice of reason. This is really hard for Protestants who is protesting. Alex explained like an Early Church Fathers and a true Disciple.

[@GizelleJane2012]

@@philipmarchalquizar7741 Yes, so proud of Alex!!! 😊

[@janelleg597]

His claims are still ridiculous

[@eugenenunn4900]

😂😂😂

[@philipmarchalquizar7741]

@@janelleg597 just read Early church fathers my friend. Keep the sabbath day Holy my friend. Simple.

[@munashemanamike4217]

​@@janelleg597 what exactly did he say that's ridiculous

[@jesusisthegreatestever8593]

I have to agree with Voice of Reason here. I get your point Ruslan, but VOR’s point of view makes more sense. The final nail in the coffin at 18:40 - 19:17 I also love the fact that VOR shows the similarity between what Ruslan is saying and what atheists say. Thank you for this video Ruslan, God bless you abundantly.

[@Travis-tx7um]

One of these persons speaks with authority

[@samoa7431]

Purpose of the mass and the protestant understanding of "going to church" are fundamentally different.

[@MeederTom]

What’s the difference?

[@ruachstav7519]

That's why we have confession, tell GOD you're sorry for missing Sunday Worship. Confession!!!!

[@mfjh505]

Ruslan thinks missing church and going to hell is extreme. So is being scourged and dying on the cross for the sins of the world.

[@MgLcService]

Love it, thank you so much for this video. Really helpful to see the difference between Catholic and Protestant

[@adamspears2492]

If I can lose my salvation because of 1 sin, was salvation really by grace through faith?

[@Christusvinci]

Yes for one mortal sin, I'd you don't repent , it over bro

[@223cw7]

What are you talking about?? committing 1 sin is like committing all. "For whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." James 2:10. Why do protestants act so surprised about basic christianity?

[@repperofchrist9761]

@223cw7 you don't lose your salvation by sinning...we are not under the law we are under grace in the new covenant...thats what the sacrifice of Jesus is for

[@JanGavlas]

@@repperofchrist9761 If you are sinning are you still under the grace?

[@JanGavlas]

It depends how serious sin. You can lose your freedom and be in prison just because 1 sin.

[@israelphirii]

Miss 2 weeks of church then hell? Thank you Jesus for the reformation! Saved by church attendance. Lord have mercy.

[@glendanikolakakos7431]

2 weeks without God that is hell or the road to hell, Love and worship God alone and with all your heart, with all your soul . Without God we are nothing ✌️🙏🙏🙏

[@MrX_117]

Voice of reason and Ruslan together 🤯😱! Let’s goo! Get Bishop Robert Barron on next ask him all the hard questions. Ex Protestant here, I’m now Catholic👋 Love seeing these conversations. Keep up the great work Bless God. ✝️❤️‍🔥☦️

[@jlo8862]

Yes! He needs to bring Bishop Barron on ASAP

[@jaybelle1909]

Why? All catholics say the same things, that they only put their trust in Roman government formed religion over what the Bible says

[@HearthsAndAdventures]

For anyone who keeps insisting that any action contributes to salvation, just know that God will give you what you want eventually. If you are so inclined on paying for even a fraction of your sins, God will let you do that. And saying you can handle even a minor fraction of the consequence of sin means you don't fully grasp the severity of your sins or you are arrogant to think you can do it. Payment for sin is eternity in hell. Fraction of infinity is still infinity.

[@sample479]

Then everyone is saved. Everyone did nothing and everyone received salvation. Seems legit.

[@HearthsAndAdventures]

@@sample479the offer of free salvation via Jesus's sacrifice is available to everyone. It is just that people reject that free gift of salvation. So not everyone will be saved. It is only through Jesus you can get saved but if you say to Jesus "Hey, I got this." Then he will let you pay for your sins.

[@HearthsAndAdventures]

weird.. my comment on the reply won't show up... Anyways. I am not a calvinist so.... I have no problem with Jesus dying for all of the world. It is just that people reject Jesus's sacrifice and choose to take responsibilities for their own sins. Obviously what I said has absolutely not saying everyone is saved.

[@sample479]

@@HearthsAndAdventures if we can do nothing to be more worthy, we can do nothing to be less worthy either. Even rejection is a work.

[@HearthsAndAdventures]

Can you explain? Also, No one is worthy to begin with anyways... If you think you are, then you don't need Jesus. But Jesus clearly says no one is good but God.

[@LeBillionn]

The problem is that there is a major difference in their foundational understanding of the importance of worship. Catholics don't play when it comes to worshiping God. Ruslan's camp sees it as "just missing church". It's not "just church". What goes down at Mass is an extraordinary experience that you can't just blow off. That being said, there are exceptions that could cause one to miss Mass (ie. work, sickness, lack of transportation)

[@HearthsAndAdventures]

Pharisees would have seen missing worship because of work as not okay. Just sayin' I mean.. They were tripping over healing on the sabbath.

[@BanxMuzik]

Mass was created by the same Roman’s who killed Jesus ..I’m coo on their ..views

[@dude9318]

This is because there is a big difference between how protestants and catholics view salvation We believe we are saved by faith and grace alone Our works then would be evidence that we are saved and we should try to maintain it as well With catholics you believe you get grace but you don't believe your entirely saved either

[@Akhgy]

@@dude9318falling out of Grace.. is you selecting Evil.. Judas fell out of Grace because of his Choice, he Could have remained in Grace if he turn from his Desire of Greed.

[@LeBillionn]

@@dude9318 Yes because God's grace is a gift. We have free will and are fully capable of knowingly and willingly rejecting said gift, but we are also welcome to accept the gift even after rejecting it. If we die in a state a rejecting that gift (aka God's Grace) then we are liable for eternal hellfire

[@levipatterson1905]

I see a lot of people saying that protestant services are just a concert. I would just like to point out, not every Protestant worship service is a concert with a band. Some of us take communion often (I know it’s not going to be considered valid), sing hymns, and listen to the Word taught. A lot of Protestants are waking up to the fact that a concert isn’t worship, and many have protested against that kind of service for years.

[@Christusvinci]

The Catholic mass is a sacrifice and only a priest can offer it. .. Catholics have occasios, where they sing,pray and praise God, it called a worship service but not the sacrifice of the mass.

[@levipatterson1905]

@ but why offer a sacrifice of Christ unbloody when Christ sacrificed himself bloody for us. What is the point in offering that sacrifice to the Father again, when Christ’s sacrifice was eternal and once and for all?

[@Christusvinci]

@levipatterson1905 remember when Christ said "Do this...." At the last supper

[@levipatterson1905]

@ I’m not arguing over the Eucharist, I’m arguing over it being a representing of the Jesus Sacrifice. Where can we find that in the New Testament.

[@SevereFamine]

@@levipatterson1905The mass takes us to the foot of the cross. It’s not a new sacrifice, instead it’s how we receive the fruits of the sacrifice and meet Christ on the cross. The Passover meal of Jesus’ time was a memorial offering, yet they didn’t just “remember” the Passover they participated in the sacrifice, ate the flesh of the lamb and spread the blood. The Eucharist is built on this template by Gods divine foreknowledge, the last supper was the fulfillment of the Passover and in fact was a passover meal - meaning during our remembrance at mass we participate in what happened that true Passover (on the cross), we eat the flesh of the lamb, etc.

[@cheryljacobus]

Missing mass a sin. The faithful go 22:55 to church on Sunday on a fast to receive the body of christ. We have all the time in the world to text, party, work, wathever. You can at least have 2 hours a week to dedicate to worship.

[@cyberfist6568]

Alex said it at the very beginning, but it was missed and not repeated. He said essentially if you refuse to give God his due but, Ruslan kept throwing conditions on it that would remove guilt, like exhaustion or mental weakness. Missing mass due to being depressed, anxious, or exhaustion isn't rebellion. Rebellion is the sin, not weakness.

[@fullchurchahead6849]

To me it sounds like Alex (Catholic Church) is saying they believe that Jesus died for our past, present, and future sins because we are unable to live a perfect life. And at the same time they believe that Jesus is saying that if we are not perfect, then we lose His coverage. Isn't that a catch 22?

[@Wgaither1]

Yes it is

[@Joe-zx6jb]

What exactly are you asking here? We don't believe Jesus expects us to be perfect. But you have to at least make an attempt to follow His commands. Sometimes you fail without intent (venial sins), and sometimes you fail because you chose yourself over Christ (mortal sins). Mortal sins are forgiven in the sacrament of confession and venial sins are forgiven at Mass

[@fullchurchahead6849]

@Joe-zx6jb My point is that you guys contradict yourselves when you agree with Scripture that it's by the grace and blood of Christ that saves and forgives us. But then state unbiblical things like if you miss a church service then you are going to hell unless you do something to fix it and then make sure to go to every service or be in danger of hell again. He either saves imperfect people or we are able to be perfect and then wouldn't need Him. I also want to state that we are in agreement that we ought to be in church and follow His commands. He said those that love Him will do so.

[@Wgaither1]

@@fullchurchahead6849 According to the Catholic Church, a Catholic could go to mass 6 days a week and not go on Sunday and be in danger of hell

[@shortstopmotions]

​@Wgaither1 God will not judge you on one specific thing. God will judge you on all sins you have committed without repenting. And 2, all sins can be forgiven (expect the blasphemy against the holy spirit) it's just that each person makes decisions to keep on sinning or repent.

[@AdOrient]

This was a solid discussion. Two brothers in Christ trying to understand eachother. Great job Ruslan!

[@Nrev973]

This was so frustrating to watch..VOR was on point here. I’m a Ex Protestant/Athiest, current catechumen in the the Catholic Church. I can clearly see how Protestant theology is a track to atheism 🙄.

[@jaybelle1909]

The "protestant" view is biblical, the roman catholic view is not... problem is some ppl prefer religion over the Bible

[@Nrev973]

@@jaybelle1909 "The protestant view" is too broad to make this statement. The bible is a text that needs to be interpreted, the reason Prots don't agree is because some one isn't being "biblical" or you interpret the bible differently. The protestant problem is one of authority and human perception, they are so caught up in their protest they can't see it.

[@TheEmanuelOno]

Both my favorite KZbinrs in one video ❤

[@Becomingless]

Great job Ruslan for pushing back on work based teachings!

[@algorithm007ify]

Agreed

[@HumanDignity10]

Jesus tells us to do stuff. He tells us that we are forgiven to the extent that we forgive. This is important. If we are not forgiven, we are not getting into heaven. He also tells us to give food and drink to the hungry and thirsty, welcome strangers, clothe the naked, care for the sick, and visit prisoners. He says that what we do to the least of these, we do to Him. He also says that if we don't do these things, we will go to everlasting punishment. We are commanded to love others, which means we do things to help others for their good. I find it baffling that people claim there is something wrong with "works" when Jesus clearly tells us we are supposed to be doing works.

[@Becomingless]

@@HumanDignity10We do good works because of the underserving salvation through Christ not work to gain salvation.

[@HumanDignity10]

@@Becomingless How do you harmonize that belief with Matthew 25:43-46 and Matthew 6:14-15? Also, why do you think Jesus breathed on the apostles and gave them the authority to forgive or retain sins in John 22-23?

[@josephmoreno4913]

The guest (I forget his name) crushes in debates. Oraganic conversations don’t seem his strong point. Too many one liners. Catholics believe that going to Church is participating in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. A Eucharistic sacrifice for the whole community to come together in communion and offer prayers and thanksgiving. From there graces abound and you can go and proclaim the Gospel. With that being said, it’s not just “not going to church” it’s freely choosing to not participate in a commandment of God to keep holy the sabbath by participating in Mass. 52 hours out of the year. Not a big ask.

[@TheApollo222]

"But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

[@edmonian132]

It is the great debate the more i listen. Thanks for sharing this Ruslan.

[@Alive4ife]

Gotta respect Ruslan and his ability to communicate with someone he does not fully share percepective with. When it comes to RCC, I can't do it, I see so much mental and verbal gymnastics.

[@mikejames303]

No, it just is hard to communicate matter of God and divinity with the simple, so it seems like mental gymnastics to someone raised in protestantism.

[@Alive4ife]

@@mikejames303 I would choose to be simple, please remind me, where in the bible does Jesus say, worship my mother? I will wait.

[@mikejames303]

@@Alive4ife Catholics don't worship Mary, protestants think we do because they don't worship God.

[@HA-yx8gp]

@@Alive4ife As a catholic, WE NEVER worship our blessed mother but we honor her. Its in the 4th commandment. The problem is prayer and worship is not the same in a catholic perspective with the context of saints and our Lord.. When we say worship, its a communion. We EAT and DRINK as in we go to mass and eat the body, blood soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus (Matthew 26:26-28 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.) Prayer on the other hand came from the Latin word "Precare" means to ask or to request. This is the reason why in the bible, when people pray usually they ask God of something like in the Lord's prayer (Matthew 6:5-15) or in Matthew 26:41Jesus says " Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." Given our differences, only God knows our heart. Worship can be of other things like time, money etc. ONLY God knows. Actually, in the bible it also says, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Its the 9th commandment of God actually.

[@Iamsesi]

Voice of reason is objective and logical, Ruslan is very subjective.. he says “I just feel” too much

[@denny-michael]

If we lost our salvation every time we sinned, no one would go to Heaven. That is why we are saved by Grace through Faith. Not a result of works.

[@CatholicSplaining02]

Galatians 5:19-21

[@MavourneenKathleen-l5j]

Scott Hahn, top biblical scholar wrote the book, ‘The Lamb’s Supper’. Beautiful book to help you understand the Eucharist. Liturgy is divided into two parts: first, the Liturgy of the Word; second, the liturgy the Eucharist, the Word Made Fleah.

[@elizabethjames1238]

I’m perplexed. If meeting together is the expectation then not going is a sin. It is a sin we are forgiven for by His grace and mercy.

[@Psalm34rws]

Jesus did not die for us to perpetually sin. Protestantism makes a mockery of Jesus’ sacrifice in this regard. Jesus tells us to be sinless and Protestantism believes it’s impossible. Jesus didn’t suffer to permit sin. He suffered to free us from it, not only the consequences but to free us from sin itself by union with Him.

[@LeifOfaVineEternal]

@@Psalm34rws so are you saying if you sin, you aren't saved? If you are saying all protestants hold to free grace (which is completely unbiblical), you don't understand the protestant position. We don't say we can just willingly sin and live like the devil "as long as I say the sinners prayer", that's an indication that someone ISN'T saved. Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 1 John 1:8-10 "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." The apostle Paul writes about how he still struggled with sin, that he's a wretched man who has a sinful flesh, and that we are to confess to one another. But yes, when we die we will receive our glorified bodies that are made perfect in Christ. So our salvation from sin is BOTH "already" (while you're alive, but you still fall short), and "not yet" (promise of future glorification of our bodies in heaven). So I wouldn't say "Protestantism believes [being sinless] is impossible", the BIBLE says so. For Catholics, even they do confessions to ordained priests. Since you confess your sins, that means the Catholic had sinned. Wait, I thought you couldn't sin and be saved (I'm being facetious, but I'm illustrating my point)? All that to say yes, you MUST be repentant. But that repentance is a byproduct of the faith that you have. Hope this finds you well ✝

[@dansmith9724]

​@Psalm34rws he died for us so that our sins will be forgiven and if we believe in him we have eternal life. 1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

[@oatmealtruck7811]

I wouldn’t mind your last statement if you said it was a sin we COULD be forgiven for. Your phrasing makes it seem as though sin is now totally permissible, because [in your phrasing] all sin is totally, automatically, instantaneously cleared. Even as a Lutheran that would make me wince. You must ASK for forgiveness. Anyhoo, I’m converting to Catholicism. Turns out most of the things Protestants think about them are misunderstood, and their arguments just win out. May God bless you, friend. ✝️

[@mikejames303]

​@@oatmealtruck7811love to see it✝️welcome home to Rome brother🇻🇦

[@childlikefaith2024]

This highlights the distinction between Catholics and Protestants. In our church, we're taught to honor and worship God in every aspect of life-whether eating, drinking, or anything else, we do it all for His glory. Not just in Sundays.

[@ReadDaGospel]

Yeah and protestants don’t?

[@DaBladePwn]

That's what my thought was when he said, if you dont go to church and worship when you know you ought to, then you lose salvation. My thought was, that you worship God in every single thing you do and missing church is a small aspect of worship, but it seems he sees it as you never worship because you didn't go to the place where only worship can happen. The more catholics talk the more it seems like they have no relationship, just religion

[@austinburns5149]

Part of this may be due to Catholics and Protestants having a different understanding of what Worship is. Catholics are taught to offer everything up to God. Many saints speak of this. But worship is very different to Catholics than me praying and praising God.

[@ReadDaGospel]

@@childlikefaith2024 So i guess my comment was deleted. I will ask a simple question do yall think protestants dont give everything to God?

[@BillyMNeitz]

They are talking in the context of not going to church and if you are obligated to go. Alex is arguing that we are obligated to worship and Jesus set up a specific way (but not only way) to worship him. As a Catholic that specific way is the eucharist. I can do every other form of worship anywhere anytime. But I have no authority to consecrate bread into our lords body and blood, nor should I. If your parish is big enough you can go to mass every day. Sunday is only our weekly obligation.

[@fullchurchahead6849]

So if your son decides to not come to lunch one day, it is the same thing as him running away and saying he is no longer your son according to this analogy. That is wild.

[@StephanieK-qt4mx]

The analogy fails because Holy Mass is nothing like “lunch”. It is more equivalent to the Wedding Banquet talked about in Scripture, which if you’ll recall, Jesus was pretty clear about the need to attend.

[@fullchurchahead6849]

@@StephanieK-qt4mx The lunch analogy was a build on the analogy that Alex and Ruslan were talking about in the video. We cannot use the wedding banquet from the scripture to compare to church because it is in the Scripture and already has its meaning. But for argument's sake, that analogy still would not fit. It was not a weekly meeting where they decided to stay home for one week out of the year. Their refusal was a complete rejection of the feast. It is not the same thing as someone not being perfect, instead its an example of someone rejecting Christ.

[@SevereFamine]

A shameful analogy.

[@StephanieK-qt4mx]

@@fullchurchahead6849 I would agree with many of the other comments on this video, that this discussion highlights how differently Protestants and Catholics can view worship. For us Catholics, the Holy Eucharist (which we receive at Mass) is “the source and summit of Christian life” to quote the Catechism. I know the Scripture I cited refers to heaven, but I think we can all agree that Scripture can have multiple layers of meaning. And for us, Holy Mass is a foretaste of heaven, because by receiving Jesus we are united with Him as closely as we ever will be on this earth. This is not something to be treated lightly. Anyway, God Bless you! Hopefully these discussions bring us a little closer to understanding one another!

[@aaronroy8998]

“Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭12‬:‭1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@mikejames303]

Amen, Catholics do this at every Mass.

[@danielfedele]

Ruslan i think it's missing the fact that if someone were to miss church on sunday. And if they were to give up their grace. They could come back to God in the sacrament of confession and be forgiven. And through the Sacrament of confession, we can return to Gods grace.

[@lottidd6037]

Here to concur with your comment.

[@truthteller3288]

Well explained Alex.

[@teresabryson9657]

I’m saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Not by works that any man may boast… Church can’t save me… Jesus saves me. The simple message of the gospel is the power of God into salvation to those who believe.I am sealed unto the day of redemption. I am adopted into Gods family.💕

[@mikejames303]

The sacrifice of the Mass isn't a work of man, neither are the sacraments, they are God's grace being bestowed upon man.

[@camaro69920]

If you’re part of the family why don’t you wanna go to His house?

[@TriciaPerry-mz7tc]

@@camaro69920you are missing what they said. They said basically that THE CATHOLIC church IS NOT HIS HOUSE and it’s not. I was born again Christian and NOT ONCE heard of catholic anything and YES THEY PRAY TO MARY.

[@arteotomiMexico]

@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Why are you so angry?

[@jsandoval3226]

Define “work” ? We put plenty of work in sin & evil , but no “work” the other way around

[@amywalker4710]

Hebrews 10 14.... If you have been perfected by. Christ how can you loose your salvation. . You are sealed with his Sprirt until redemption. The Spirit is what allows us to believe.. how do you then not believe it you are sealed with his Spirit. ?. .. the church can't keep you saved. Faith in Jesus alone is the ONLY way.

[@unworthy1582]

Hebrews 6:4-9 KJV For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7] For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: [8] But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. [9] But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

[@vladgor4099]

Revelation 2-3 why are believers threatened to be BLOTTED OUT from the Book of Life if only those written in the Book of Life saved? To be blotted out means to be in at one point. So tell Jesus that he’s wrong because it doesn’t line up with your MODERN theology that you can’t be blotted out..

[@Psalm34rws]

By believing you are saved while serving the devil. By thinking you are a believer because of the simple mental assent to believe and the sporadic heights of religiosity. Sin is service to devil, making oneself an enemy of God. Not you of course I mean generally. That’s what mortal sin is. Sin God considers so offensive that it drives Him out from the soul until repentance occurs. Human beings believe and do all kinds of hypocritical things. You shouldn’t be surprised a believer can believe in Jesus and feel they love Jesus while disobeying Him. God says it doesn’t work that way.

[@dude9318]

​@@Psalm34rwsok so according to your faith how do you repent of sins? Will it only count if you go to church and attend mass You will go against me because im protestant I believe we are saved by grace and faith Not by works

[@dfwherbie8814]

“Not everyone who says to Me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven.” Didnt Christ Himself tell us that if we love Him, we should follow His commandments? If we don’t follow Christ’s commandments, what happens? Answer that question, brother. Thanks in advance.

[@livingalien2069]

Ruslan, when you explained away the disparity ( the so-called unfairness of God), you nailed it! Hearing you say "God is INFINITE in His Glory and Justice" just sent chills to me and brought me to tears. I'd like to hear the extended version, but I have to subscribe to (pay for) your challenger's, your naysayers full (pay me for it ) version? Now that seems like a disparity.

[@gospelfreak5828]

The difference between the atheist arguing it an a Christian arguing it is one is saved by grace and the atheist is not. There is a disparity when you are in Christ and saved. It isn’t a disparity for an atheist because he did not accept Gods free grace. The disparity is those who believe in grave sin does not believe in the power of the Cross

[@bibi92028]

I’m Catholic yet it’s never been explained to me like this. Best gift I could get on Christmas. Young men with faith is so inspiring… ❤

[@jmg567]

Protestantism has become so watered down and so far removed from what Christ expected from the church that Catholicism seems extreme to the average Protestant.

[@DrewH-u9f]

So true

[@dinkledork4421]

I wish he would have gone into Deliberate Consent (Full Freedom) more, as I don't feel that got enough of an explanation. Emotional distress, depression, etc. play a major role. The Church recognizes that human beings are complex and that our choices can be influenced by many internal struggles, weaknesses, fears, and emotional burdens. Your sincere love of God, your overall disposition, and whether you intended to separate yourself from Him are crucial elements.

[@MotherOf13]

He was being cut off by Ruslan during that part. It was very frustrating.

[@bradp6821]

I’m new to reading the Bible- Seems like this guy is full of legalism……kinda reminds me of the Pharisees

[@pcola4594]

You admit that you are new and then pass judgement. Perhaps it would be best if you read and prayed more before you lept in to where giants fear to tread. Peace to you friend.

[@nilsson6910]

Protestantism is more like pharisees, because you read the Bible like an Ikea manual, and you dont have the full Bible ( 73books ). Protestants have the same old testamentet as the pharisees. The early Christians hade a broader bibel Canon..

[@Jerome616]

Jesus commands you to follow him, and then he left you a church to show you the way. Jesus did not write the New Testament. The church did. Follow the Church and you will be in obedience to Jesus.

[@wakingupat2pm349]

Thanks for hosting this.

[@Kingjoelz]

Respect, but voice of reason makes a lot of sense. Also faith without works is dead. Repent and be glad. Affirmation.

[@algorithm007ify]

Are there any works that are more important than going to church on a Sunday?

[@fonsouribe]

this can answer all of Ruslans questions n comments regarding the churches in Iran. paragraph 846 of the CCC: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”

[@jimduzwell507]

I was raised Catholic. Read the gospel and heard many sermons from preacher to pastor. They explain it better than the Catholic church. Like literally break it down to you. The priest does not. Roman Catholic and orthodox also have many idols and statues. Amd also worship Mary . And pray to saints and pray to Mary.. the bible only says pray to the Lord. My parents and family think im crazy when i explain to them. They follow tradition instead of the scripture. How do i get the. To understand what rome teaches is wrong ? Anyone can help me ?

[@essafats5728]

So u never believed in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist?

[@shortstopmotions]

God doesn't condemns images of the saints or the virgin mary. God condemns the worship of false gods/ idols. For example if I were to worship the planet Jupiter as a god, that is the sin of idolatry

[@Greenchile1234]

Weak Catholics become Protestant, strong Protestants become Catholic. Enough said.

[@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077]

Jesus is the Icon of the invisible God, Colossians 1:15. Images of him and his saints are not graven images and Catholics do not worship statues. I’m starting to wonder if you ever were Catholic.

[@AJsoment95x]

Yes! The crossover that we have waited for, Voice of Reason × Ruslan!

[@rammy3550]

Yikessss. It’s no wonder Catholics are in constant fear of their salvation. So Catholics have decided that obeying the Law is the only way to “remain” under Grace. Perhaps they haven’t read what Paul said to the Jews in Galatians 3. It also undermines the pure definition of the word Grace. I thank God that Jesus said my ‘work’ is to believe John 6 29

[@ramuelingibraltar802]

Philipians 2:12 Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Matthew 20:1-16 Parable of the Vineyard WORKERS. It's the Vineyard workers and not the Vineyard believers. If you can get a paycheck with just faith put me on homie lol

[@rammy3550]

@ my friend, there is a very big difference between the work to show that we are saved and the work to OBTAIN salvation. The Bible repeatedly tells us to live holy lives. It gives us very practical and wise do’s and don’t’s. But this is not how we “earn” our salvation. Salvation is a free gift given to us by Christ Jesus on the cross. A gift ceases to be a “gift” when you have to pay for it. Jesus paid the cost of our sin (the wages of sin is death) on the cross when he became sin so that we might become the righteousness of God. We don’t “fall out” of grace by sinning. That’s the whole point of grace. Jesus gives to us what we don’t deserve. For salvation, we need ONLY to believe that he is our sin sacrifice.

[@202Malachi]

@@stjustinthemartyrapostlesc2412 You forgot verse 11. And such were some of yo But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

[@202Malachi]

⁠@@stjustinthemartyrapostlesc2412 I believe in the context Jesus is referring to materialism and how we use our resources. This doesn’t refer to salvation or judgment.

[@202Malachi]

This was in reference to the passage you quoted from Luke 12