Kirby: Star Allies - Episode 25 - "Heroes in Another Dimension"

[@jarg_64]

Tim and his lack of attention Emile and his lack of patience And John having to be the parent on them both. This will be interesting

[@prometheustv6558]

Emile and his lack of attention and patience

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

Heroes in Another Dimension, aka “Time to watch TRG suffer after spending the game using like only three abilities/Dream Friends and even then they didn’t really use them to their fullest potential”

[@lucasdunk2536]

Definitely my biggest disappointment with this series… I expected to see players 2 and 3 get turned into various enemies encountered each stage, rather than playing as 2 dream friends

[@s0mniosidae]

@@lucasdunk2536 Yeah I kinda would've liked to see more characters than just Magolor for half the game

[@DJBaphomet]

@@lucasdunk2536 I wasn't bothered so much about that as I was that they didn't use _elements_ to their fullest potential. When Tim was playing Dark Meta Knight, he got Bluster Sword by *accident*, and other elements were barely used unless they were necessary for a puzzle Also the amounts of times they failed to miss that Magolor has wind as an element as well through his dash attack fills me with pain

[@alvaroperez2349]

This mode was basically Hal Labs Answer to those complaining that Star Allies was “Too Easy.”

[@Gnarfledarf]

The challenges would be fine, had they not made it so that you would have to kill yourself or start over the entire level over failing something you couldn't have anticipated. That's not challenge, that's bad game design.

[@MarioBrosFan]

​@@Gnarfledarf Well, they never said it was a *good answer* to the players' complaints.

[@AiLoveAidoru]

@@MarioBrosFangood answer? no. Revengey answer? Hell yes. This was basically Hal Labs saying “too easy, huh? Well here, let’s make you *wish* it was easy!” 😂

[@AiLoveAidoru]

@@Gnarfledarfabout as badly designed as 90% of Mario Maker’s “best” courses. 😂

[@joshuareesor1756]

@@Gnarfledarf In terms of starting the whole level over, only this episode's Bandana Dee puzzle and the Friend Circle section in another level come to mind as needing to restart the whole level, so it's not like that happens too often (at least going off my memory). As for killing yourself, that's always been a viable strategy throughout the Kirby series to get missed collectables, so I don't think it's something you can blame this mode specifically for. Heck, that makes lives a more valuable commodity, as having more means you get more chances if something blindsided you, so you actually care about having lives instead of just making a number go up.

[@JJ_R]

If they changed “Dimension” to “Land”, it could’ve been an acronym for HAL.

[@coffee_2234]

Yup cleaver

[@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings]

*snickers at the thought*

[@misirtere9836]

unfortunately, it would appear we've been HAD

[@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings]

@@misirtere9836 😂😂😂

[@kaialone]

well it's called "Another Dimension Heroes" in JPN

[@C_Arson]

Those who have played Forgotten Land's post-game may notice that Heroes in Another Dimension's setup is quite similar to Forgo Dreams, with both having more challenging stage design and a focus on collecting a large amount of a certain collectable scattered everywhere; both are even about searching for one of the villains' whereabouts after the events of the main story. I like to think that's because Heroes in Another Dimension was so good that HAL basically just copied their own homework for the next game. Both this and the Void Termina fight show that Star Allies was surprisingly influential to Forgotten Land - at least more than most would probably expect. Even to this day, Heroes in Another Dimension ranks among the best Kirby post-game modes to me because of its clever level design and intense boss fights (some of the toughest in the entire Kirby franchise in my view) I'm really curious to see how the guys will feel about it here, especially since Jon hadn't fully experienced it yet at the time of recording.

[@JustCrazyDK]

1:03 The last time Tim has opened a door to screw the team was in Return to Dreamland in the Dreaded 6-2. A Whole Episode dedicated to that level.

[@Bluedino152]

There's actually a small amount of lead in from guest star into heroes in another dimension, but it's not really essential Anyway. The visual variety here is kinda bland, but as a hard level that takes advantage of both Kirby and the dream friends it's a pretty nice addition

[@Anko3342]

Heroes in another Dimension might be my absolute favorite Side mode/Extra story bit in the entire franchise. I love how the music references all the final areas of the past three games + Rainbow Resort, I love how we get to explore the actual Another Dimension from RTDL, I love the fact we play every single character and how challenging it is and the speedrunability is incredibly fun in this game. I absolutely adore it.

[@YourPalRal]

Welp, Jon's patience is definitely being tested here it seems.

[@SpiritOfWaterMontaru]

Fun thing about the Heroes in Another Dimension song, "the Legend of the Last World" it uses the final level songs of the last few games, and Kirby's Adventure. So Limitless Power from Return to Dreamland, Beautiful Prison from Triple Deluxe, L86 from Planet Robobot, and Rainbow Resort from Adventure

[@smackjack78]

One thing I love about this mode is the remixes of the pen-ultimate stages across the Kirby series (the final regular stages before the events of the final battles). You got the ones from Dangerous Dinner in Return to Dreamland, Royal Road in Triple Deluxe, Access Arc in Robobot, and Rainbow Resort from Adventure/Nightmare in Dreamland. That made me very happy

[@kira_the_sniper6376]

Note: You only need 100 Friend Hearts for the "Happy Ending", but you need all 120 for the crown. Heroes in Another Dimension is one of my favorite modes, it really helped me improve at the game (especially learning how the Dream Friends work). 10/10 mode, love playing it, even if it annoys the hell out of me.

[@TriforceZard]

“What if the game was hard? Like really hard.” Good luck on this one. It’s tough. Really enjoyed this spike in difficulty considering how easy base game was.

[@kierancampire]

Honestly sometimes i feel bad for Jon. Emile says he won't run through doors, immediately runs through a door. Jon repeatedly stresses not to step on the button, Tim immediately steps on the button. The amount if times he has said not to kill enemies as he needs a power up, or not do a certain thing in particular, then the guys immediately do it, it's happened A LOT

[@Shantae1188]

2:12 I LOVE this final area theme

[@aaronolson6736]

I can already sense Emile testing Jon's patience with this

[@mrcwillis6970]

Love how the dimension looks and how they added a hard challenge

[@natethegreat9743]

I can't wait to see how they do against the bosses cuz they are actually kind of difficult sometimes

[@Iris_Descent]

Oh neat, this is being done first. This mode, like I mentioned, doesn't add to file percentage, due to being added in V4. Some pretty neat puzzles are in this mode, I like it. Aaaaaaaaand two hearts were already missed. Same ones that I missed in my first run too, they're pretty devious, though it's two for the price of one.

[@josevlog945]

I like how the "Another Dimension" from Return to Dreamland has been used so much in the last couple of years since it was introduced, Susie and the Sphere Doomers, Magolor Epilogue, and the usage of it in here and in Forgotten Land as well.

[@AzureMoebius22]

I'm willing to bet that if Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot get remastered, they're going to get side stories that focus on Taranza and Susie respectively that take place in the alternate dimension.

[@HoneyBadger102]

I feel so bad cause they missed a switch for a heart behind that foreground block in the Bandana Dee section. They are gonna have to do the whole stage again! 10:50

[@GBDupree]

Oh wow, that is so well hidden!

[@cadlyn]

@@GBDupree no kidding it took me 4 times replaying just that section to see said switch...

[@HoneyBadger102]

Yeah, I played through the game before and this one switch haunts my memories! 😂

[@AzureMoebius22]

Save Ultimate Choice for last. You can't challenge the true superboss without completing the other modes. Also yeah if you fuck up a puzzle room, it will lock you out when you try to exit it.

[@Terchuy]

Can you even do that difficulty without beating The Ultimate Choice multiple times first? If not, then RIP to the true arena mode

[@JJ_R]

@@TerchuyYou mean Soul Melter + Soul Melter EX?

[@sanic2794]

Cant wait for the 3 ultimate choice videos back to back then

[@mintystingmoon4787]

4 runs of Ultimate Choice baybee

[@C_Arson]

This is actually the only puzzle room in the mode to lock you out in this fashion if you fail (maybe Adeleine's puzzles count too but in those you have a chance to kill yourself within the puzzle rooms to reset them). For some reason, only this one permanently locks you out even after death.

[@coopinatormusic6214]

Anyone trying to give advice: Don't bother. This was recorded _months_ ago.

[@C_Arson]

To be fair, it could be advice for other people who may play the game as well.

[@SweetKickz101YT]

Hello from the Oklahoman who’s state is just an enigma 😂 Honestly that’s still the hugest misconception & I find it hilarious

[@360KnowSoap]

Btw they actually missed a heart. At 10:49 there's a switch inside the wall on the left, but it's hard to see because there's a block in the foreground covering it up

[@VanishEclipse4867]

So the whole Heroes of Another Dimension thing, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE TO GET ALL THE HEARTS FOR THE TRUE ENDING OF THIS THING!

[@NimonoSolenze]

I think it's just 100 of them?

[@natethegreat9743]

Yes you can only miss 20

[@ktheboss5879]

Dude I felt the same way when I missed a few, but I saw “You got 100 friend hearts, the story is….changing. Now head to the final battle!” and was like : OH that’s great but you could have said that!

[@mintystingmoon4787]

Yeah, all 120 for best ending, but just 100 are required for the thing you actually want.

[@C_Arson]

To clarify for those reading this comment thread, getting every single heart gives you a cute little bonus image after the mode's credits and is required for getting a crown on your save file. However, only 100 hearts are required for the good ending and the special reward that unlocks (I don't consider the bonus image to be a "true ending" because that'd be like considering the infamous celebration photo for fully completing Mario Sunshine a true ending).

[@360KnowSoap]

Place your bets. Will they have enough hearts by the end to get the good ending? (For reference, the requirement for the good ending is 100 hearts.) It honestly does make sense to play this side mode first, consider these events take place after the main story of Star Allies. I kinda expect them to do Guest Star next & save Ultimate Choice for the end.

[@hank2815]

Well this is unexpected! 9/10 players go to Guest Star mode at first, but alright then!

[@Rexaura888]

Going straight into the deep end, huh? On the one hand I get it since Guest Star ???? Allies is mostly a rehash of the main story with all the levels back to back (only altered for Wave 2-4 Dream Friends). On the other hand, Heroes From Another Dimension is not a nice mode. 0:38 It’s not that harsh. Once you get the ending (or maybe even before), you can go back to previous areas to get the missed collectibles and change the ending by beating the final boss again (Magalor Epilogue is similar in this though not the exact same). However, I don’t think you can just quit out once you collect it, and some of these things are rough. Emile’s primary problem isn’t entering doors too early; it’s killing enemies that Jon needs for their abilities or as allies (though the door thing is an issue too). Plus in some instances if you miss a collectible you’ve no choice but to die in order to get another shot at it without having to redo the level. 2:00 For some reason I thought it was 7. Different prime numbers here. 3:05 Some guy just decided to make a play about a fictional place where people just sing “OOOOOOOOOOH-“ 4:00 They’re bringing back the hollowed out Star Points from the extra modes. Also the music playing in the back is a medley of various final areas in Kirby games, notably the then three most recent ones plus Kirby’s Adventure. They made sure to keep with the Dimension aesthetic with RtDL. The other dimension is a big part of the more recent Kirby games after all (you and Magalor go there in RtDL, the plot of PR is basically because of one, you go back in KSA, and the gateway to the Forgotten Land is one of these). 6:45 The screen transitions use the Dream Friend’s emblem. 7:05 Why did no one revive Tim? I mean they don’t need Fighter or Knuckle Joe for any puzzles but still. Yup, you gotta replay to get your next shot. The rocks were holding the platform up. This mode is very unforgiving if you’re going for 100%. Halfway through the first area. Seems like Meta Knight will be next, so how will Jon take to him?

[@amshigar0092]

As someone who has stayed in Oklahoma multiple times to visit family, I can confirm there is nothing there.

[@cadlyn]

i beg to differ, there IS something in Oklahoma... toll roads, and a LOT of them... so much so that i've began to call it Toklahoma...

[@CJ-ln5ov]

6:46 Now, see, if this had been Emile’s fault, Jon would’ve noticed it and called him out, followed by another callout where he would say something like, “AND WE-also…left Tim behind”. Jon groans, Emile giggles, and Tim says that it’s fine.

[@JustCrazyDK]

TRG in Another Dimension : Hits/KOs/Deaths : Jon : 6 Chu : 5/1/2 Tim : 6/1/1 A.I : 1 Ritual SDs : 2 Resets : 1 Stars (100): 1 Hearts : Jon : 13 Chu : 1 Tim : 1 Ability Change : Chu : 2 Poppy : 1 WaddleDoi : 1 Puzzles : Jon : 5 Chu : 1 Tim : 1 A.I : Oops...Doors : Chu : 1

[@retrogamerfan123]

I never had a hard time finding all the hearts you can make mistakes but there not permanently missable you can always go back and get the rest

[@smugsneasel]

Oh it's time. Chugga and Tim are gonna need to start paying a lot more attention and stop soaking up hits. Things are gonna get crazy...

[@HPMCCPooTis]

And ACTUALLY listen to Jon

[@SonBlackHeart22]

Have not played this in forever but oh boy some of the puzzles they make you do in this mode will make you pull your hair out.

[@Speedracer95]

2:41 LittleBigPlanet? In the first one, y'all were louder than usual, the King of all Cards? I don't think you'd want to make someone's ears bleed from all the screaming from EVERY video put into one combined, that is the extremely dumbest thing ever. 9:13 Are we going to have a repeat of Tri-Force Heroes where Jon has to yell to get both Emile and Tim to focus just to get through this? This is going to be foreboding since this is the most challenging mode. You only need 100 out of 120 to get the Happy ending in this, all the hearts for the crown. I'm also worried if they did Guest Star ???? Star Allies Go with all characters, that would be too much, and I don't think everyone could sit down to do that.

[@pastaman7278]

I love John's first reaction to that Cannon puzzle not being able to be redone "OH FUCK YOU GAME"

[@NZSF150]

Fun Fact: You actually don't need to get all 120 Friend Hearts to get the good ending. I don't remember how many I got on my playthrough, but I didn't get them all and still got the good ending.

[@cartoonfan9million468]

Other than the rooms that you can only go to once and therefore only get one chance to get the hearts, I think I actually like the Heroes in Another Dimension Mode. It forces you to use all characters so in a way you are able to play as characters that you probably never wound in the main story mode of the game. And it is fun to see which one of the dream friends you liked the most compared to others.

[@StarDev94]

I can tell Heroes in Another Dimension is going to be fun.

[@NadiaRayne]

Heroes In Another Dimension is the actual fun part of this game because of its challenging puzzles and its reward. I love this mode! The song to this stage is a final stage medley remix from Return To Dream Land, Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot and Adventure.

[@CSX64]

The bosses of this mode are no joke but wished the translation for the pause screen was better can’t wait to see their reaction to each of the bosses

[@munchrai6396]

Well that was a start, don't think I've ever failed a side room in this challenge before

[@Matsokune]

So, one thing about "Heroes in Another Dimension" that will absolutely ruin them until they learn it: the heart collectables are _technically_ missable items. Your first run through the mode, you go in an area, you get to the end, it closes off. This repeats until you clear it once, where all of the areas re-open under the literal context of "change your fate!" There's absolutely no need to first run 100% the warp portals, the game does let you revisit them eventually, and even expects you to miss hearts the first go through

[@samalight7249]

2:40 dunno if that happened during Mario Party DS Unless you count them screaming over Chugga's final time of getting stars during the DK board

[@lobsteros]

A little surprised to see them doing this first, since it was the last mode to be added (the other two were in the base game) but this ought to be fun!

[@JCBro-yg8vd]

Oh boy! There is going to be a lot of frustration and resetting on this.

[@Taolan8472]

I just want to say how mature of a choice it was for emile to suggest... and I didnt even finish writing this comment before he betrayed his own rule.

[@JLMetak]

I seriously don't get how people think this badly designed, repetitive mode with the same visuals and music for 4 agonisingly long levels and reskinned bosses makes the game better.

[@OriginalGameteer]

Heroes in Another Dimension in its entirety can be downright brutal at times An easy mode it is *not*

[@MegaBlitzGaming]

I live in Oklahoma and can confirm it’s not real.

[@colossaldonut5190]

Just so others know, this mode was also added in a later update. I didn't get to play it myself so this will be interesting to watch!

[@dockingwater1713]

Just because you're out of the main game doesn't the remixes are stopping anytime soon, as the main level theme of Heroes in Another Dimension, titled The Legend of the Last World, is medley of remixes of Limitless Power (the 5-3 level theme and Let Me Explain Everything cutscene theme from Return to Dream Land), Beautiful Prison (the level theme of Royal Road's 5th stage in Triple Deluxe), L86 (the level theme for Access Ark's 4th stage and beginning of its 5th stage in Planet Robobot), and Rainbow Resort (the level theme for the last couple stages of Orange Ocean and a majority of stages in the world of the same name in Adventure)

[@legotrainfan460119]

Emile should be careful about the Oklahoma thing. Probably has not heard about the blue nips.

[@dorkondemand]

As a native Oklahoman, I can confirm that it isn't real.

[@Kaisona2017]

The mode that actually contributes to percentages is Guest Star Mode.

[@BitterMillenial]

2:52 Don't you mean Kansas or Nebraska Emile? I find that Oklahoma has a bit more scenery than those two. 3:05 That line makes me wonder what he thinks of Wyoming 😅

[@jamiew.pokeprism]

Oklahoma... Is reaaaal! (I'm there. And I've been a fan for a over a decade. Hi.)

[@Ardomew]

Oh man, this mode is gonna be some interesting TRG content!

[@adamntcaponewholikesbigcoo1749]

Of course the bonus Kirby side modes cause arguments The pink ball breaks friendships

[@nonamer6621]

The thing I’m crossing my fingers for is that they don’t end up cheesing the puzzles due to multiplayer. (Though the waddle dee ball puzzle room is a good sign that they aren’t gonna cheese the puzzles)

[@michensneeuwhart]

A new gamemode, and Emile immediately lost how good he was in the main story.

[@Gustavo-Guma776]

2:18 OoooooooooooooohhhShit

[@thegreendragon5390]

TRG Kirby Star Allies stats so far: (For the main story mode, only Stars reported at the end of each stage, both first time and revisit, were counted.) [Boss stages weren't counted because they didn't show the stars collected.] (The scores in the future side modes will be counted as well.) Looks like Heroes in Another Dimension is going to be heavily cooperative, I don't see how it can relate to the score. Stars Collected Credits Score Chop Champs Star Slam Heroes Sum Score Placement Jon 3736 10800 23200 25026 62762 1st Emile 3927 15800 16200 17002 52929 2nd Tim 2202 5350 17050 09784 34386 4th CPU N/A 3850 22300 20465 46615 3rd [The outcome can change at a moment's notice for the remainder of this project!]

[@PalPlays]

Honestly Kirby with difficulty is sick.

[@proplaystowin]

I will say this involving unlocking every thing with as few spoilers as possible Ultimate choice has several difficulty options, beat the hardest difficulty (once you beat the one with the initials SM you can move on) Beat guest star Beat heroes in another dimention Order is not important i think This will unlock the final important thing

[@kaialone]

Playing Heroes in Another Dimension *before* Guest Star, even tho it canonically happens *after* it? Interesting choice

[@shindude1278]

seems to me like, no matter the dimension Emile is still not observant lol

[@GmodPlusWoW]

I feel like this mode is gonna get Jon kinda salty. Spare some for my chips, patron?

[@onesimplefool5250]

this mode and the one in forgotten lands i did not do, im a very persnickity person and my ocd wouldnt let me enjoy it so i gave up as soon as i missed a part

[@supermariogamer1757]

8:25 since when did emile know about teabagging?

[@otterronpas]

People said Kirby games are too easy and HAL Lab saw them and said “ok bet”

[@varietygamer95]

I’m surprised they’re doing Heroes in Another Dimension first, considering that doesn’t count towards 100% completion. At any rate, I haven’t seen much of this mode out of sheer laziness, so maybe I should get back on it. If this first episode is anything to go by, this is gonna suck for the guys!

[@LinkMountaineer]

I never played this mode. I got this DLC, but never got around to playing it.

[@2011supergamer]

I think you can retry the cannon room, i think the camera just scrolled too far right the first time so it hit a checkpoint

[@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings]

Poyo! Crazy shenanigans are afoot!!!

[@ProminenceFlare]

Oh, this one is gonna be a RAGE inducer. HiaD is brutal. Like folks said, this is HAL going 'oh, you're saying Star Allies is too easy? Aight, bet.'

[@masonwong6131]

I ain’t from ‘round here, I’m from another dimension-

[@yokai59loi36]

Heroes in another dimension. Mess even one heart up and it could make you have to play an entire section from scratch. The one I usually miss is either final zone or the waddle dee ball puzzle. And the section where you play as dedede... THE MAIN GIMMICK IS PLAYING AS SELECT ABILITIES AND ALL DREAM FRIENDS. Unsurprisingly, this was the last dlc of the game. Co op does not make this much easier... good f$cking luck. Trivia time? No! For the first timers, This is going to list every friend boost every character/ability can use and how. This is to give a guess on how to pass a challenge before either Dan cuts to them completing it or they give up and do it after killing the final boss, or flat out missing it like the last one in the waddle dee section. This does not include abilities/friends who can only equip elements or those that can do squash or cut without friends. That should be obvious. And cooking is out of the question for other reasons. Spider's friend boost helps with moving keys into places that are on high cliffs. Any attack that leaves a web follows this rule. Including Taranza. This is inconsistent, though, and you may just fall to your death. Throw, suplex, Gooey, Beetle, and clean all have the ability to chuck a friend (or more) all over the damn place. Esp, along with a stone-using (gooey or rock, rick doesn't work) ally, can use geokinesis, which is a short term portable electric pounder. Dark metaknigh is the only guy who can reflect attacks. Painter and Adeline can heal with their friend benefit. Magalor is able to use the lor starcutter to smash blocks. Rick can bounce on enemies and projectiles besides Gordos. Last is chumbrella of Parasol. Used only for waterfall puzzles (which ice cheeses) and Kracko (also ice).

[@PWPictures67]

Total Friend Heart Count: 15/120.

[@meta527II]

2:18 Um... what was that?

[@enthiegavoir5955]

2:17 THX be like

[@oraw1234W]

3:05 it's just a musical

[@Kirbun]

So far, so good. They're probably gonna get the good ending of this mode. Not sure if they'll get 100% on this though.

[@Shantae1188]

They’ve already missed 2 for the first Dimension. If they miss 19 more, then they are not getting it

[@alexkaiser7962]

Oh this is gonna be fun. Mainly because this is where the game gets freaking hard, as some of the Friend Hearts are just plain mean with how it requires super esoteric knowledge of the Dream Friends' abilities to succeed. Rick, I am looking at you... Guest Star is a cakewalk compared to this.

[@jamesmcdavid1673]

Poyo!

[@Hirukaki]

Hi from Oklahoma :P

[@prometheustv6558]

My 5th grade teacher was from Oklahoma

[@Zacman1123]

Well this mode looks stressful.

[@TheUltimateRare]

chugga lasted 2 seconds at 11 minutes lol

[@thedazzlingshell101]

So far: Miss 3 in Bandanna Dee Area

[@AnthonySmith-bj9mo]

hi TheRunawayGuys

[@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings]

8:25 😂😂😂😂😂😂 8:33 THATS D***ISH GAME COME ON!!!! >:(

[@cicabeot1]

Oklahoma

[@blue_boo3171]

Not exactly on a *roll,* here...

[@nehichao1480]

Emile:wait where the guys? Jon:What you think switch does.

[@carter2049]

I don’t know that this comment is going to help any since you guys are recording or have already done that but you at least need 100 hearts to get the good ending.

[@carter2049]

And correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you can go back to previous levels if you didn’t get the hearts. I think you only get locked in when you beat the final boss.

[@dysr]

You can only return to a completed level after the mode has been cleared at least once.

[@xpearl_heartx]

Man this series is painful to watch