Kirin, Inheritor of Thunder | Monster Hunter Ecology

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:24 - Overview
08:15 - Kirin
21:20 - Outro
SOURCES:
Hunter's Encyclopedia G,
pg. 110
Monster Hunter World Complete Works
pgs. 288-291
tinyurl.com/Kirin2021
tinyurl.com/OroshiKirinThread
My semi-canon Phylogeny of the MH Universe:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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[@Oceaniz]

[Sources and Notes in this comment] TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:24 - Overview 08:15 - Kirin 21:20 - Outro SOURCES: Hunter's Encyclopedia G, pg. 110 Monster Hunter World Complete Works pgs. 288-291 tinyurl.com/Kirin2021 tinyurl.com/OroshiKirinThread NOTES: - The exact history of how the Kirin was discovered is embellished by me. In canon, it was simply a mysterious creature for a long time until it was properly sighted. - "True Fulminokinesis" is not the actual name of its ability. - All taxonomic names are made up by me. My semi-canon Phylogeny of the MH Universe: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vr0ThfPbrzj87DinYiB-r6P2QFog8oyRDPGy7OlF9wk/edit?usp=sharing

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content man 😊😊😊😊

[@juanchoguerrero9143]

Wait what about Thunder Emperor Kirin?

[@switch-axe]

What do you think about monster hunter wilds being released in 2025

[@noah_4_25]

​@@juanchoguerrero9143I think he only speaks about Main Line Monsters and Thunder Lord Kirin is not a Mainline Monster I think it is from Frontier or Explore

[@TheLordGojira]

Guild: “It’s about as big as a moose” Hunter: “tf is a moose?” Guild: “I have no idea”

[@randomguy4616]

"A moose is a creature as big as a Kirin" 😂😂😂

[@milchesarreal6964]

"you mean an Anteka?"

[@Oceaniz]

funnily enough, we know for a fact that some real life animals exist in the MonHun Universe! Plesioths entry in Encyclopedia G is written by an in-universe scholar and he explicitly compares its speed to horses!

[@milchesarreal6964]

@@Oceaniz right! And that Plesioth regularly hunt/compete with large, serpentine Gharials, as mentioned in a previous video of yours! Great content btw, I'm looking forward to the next episode!

[@Shin.ToumaFR]

​@@Oceanizno way, plesioth is as fast as elder dragon??!

[@justinn8541]

Fun fact about Kirins(not Monster Hunter version). They were based on the description of giraffes and people who never saw them drew them as the kirins we know today.

[@KingJelza789]

Wait, what ?

[@ObsidianAmeth]

@@KingJelza789 I thought it was the rhinos not giraffes.

[@sampfrost]

@@ObsidianAmeththey both have horns and are vaguely horse like

[@ObsidianAmeth]

@@sampfrost good point

[@monstercekyt6090]

🤔. 😂 nice one

[@dinolover]

Kirin was the first time i came to fear a unicorn. I feel like in Gen 1, Kirin was the opposite of Fatalis. Fatalis was this huge black dragon that can rain down fire and was kinda slow, but kirin was fast, a blindling white, and had power that could fry my ass just as hard as Fatalis fireball. Even in World, Kirin had ppl shuttering.

[@JanusHoW]

I like how you referred to the Magala Incident as being Archive Number YR2014-4U. The original MH4 came out in Japan on January 26th 2014, with 4G/4 Ultimate being released on October 11 of the same year.

[@Oceaniz]

i was hoping someone would notice! :D

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

​@@Oceanizyou're awesome man

[@somerandomdude7785]

The original MH4 actually came out on September 14th, 2013.

[@JanusHoW]

@@somerandomdude7785 4U came out in 2014, so his reference still stands.

[@handtomouth4690]

The humidity theory has even more weight when you consider that Kirin seems to prefer areas of high humidity, such as marshes, or in the new world, the Coral Highlands. And possibly altitude is a factor as well, with the towers and again coral highlands with it's high altitude areas.

[@JanusHoW]

That's true - you doesn't see Kirin in any truly hot areas like deserts or volcanoes. Because what's good for evaporating moisture? Fire.

[@GOOBER42018]

​@JanusHoW yeah no, kirin appears in the battleground volcano map in mhfu and in icebornes rajang cutscene, we see kirin is in the volcanic region of the guiding lands

[@somerandomdude7785]

The Kirin is one of the monsters that need to return in Monster Hunter Wilds. Imagine riding an actual horse in a mainline Monster Hunter game.

[@Sypitz]

Spend 3 hours taking a thunder horse, only for it to act as a lightning rod and for you to get shocked to death when a lightning bolt hits it

[@forthelolz1121]

Monster Hunter Wilds has so much potential. Let’s hope the game brings back the realistic behavior from World so I can stand next to Kulu-ya-ku without getting my head ripped off (assuming he comes back in the game.)

[@grigori9061]

I was so pissed when I found out kirins weren’t in monster hunter rise. The main reason is because they are one of the most Japanese inspired monsters in monster hunter series and they were not in the most Japanese themed hunter game yet

[@BoneReaperLagiallosaurus]

⁠@@grigori9061Also Rajang is in Rise so I have no idea why they didn’t return Kirin :(

[@switch-axe]

I am confused about wilds right now I have my theories but it is hard to get a lot from the trailer AND 2025

[@xemiii]

I like the implied connection between kirin and alatreon. When using thunder attacks they do the same poses, despite being so different in every other way. Makes you wonder if there's some biological or supernatural reason behind direct control over thunder element in the mh universe

[@JanusHoW]

There's a more obvious connection between Kirin and White Fatalis. They both control thunder element, both harden their bodies to near-impenetrability with electricity, and both have splendid beards. Given the title "Father of Dragons", it may be that all elder dragons - Kirin included - are descended from White Fatalis.

[@lpx4560]

Kirin could have a close ancestor in Alatreon

[@AngelPerez-tu1nk]

Kirin is without a doubt one of the more majestic monsters in the series. Whenever it shows up I just bow my head in respect. truly the Inheritor of Thunder.

[@imadeamistak4905]

ok so now imagine a kirin super charged by that lightning sandstorm and now imagine a rajang superpowered by eating a superpowered kirin horn

[@Shinzon23]

And then place 15 barrels of high explosives around it as it's sleeping because we want that comfy looking fur armor? As a aside, I can't imagine how itchy kirinhide would be...

[@shrooberto]

Honestly this makes me want more Elder Dragon episodes, the way you handled their mystique.

[@shadowlord9607]

Not gonna lie, at the beginning it started to feel like the Kirin for a while was the Monster Hunter equivalent of Bigfoot before the elder dragon was eventually and brutally proven to be real. But the idea of Kirin actually being able to manipulate atmospheric humidity would actually explain a lot. Still this has been a helluva week! Not only do we get an awesome episode on the Kirin but we also got confirmation for Monster Hunter Wilds! Here’s hoping we actually see the Kirin in Wilds, cause it definitely be interesting to see what they add to its lore and gameplay.

[@hiddenscorpiusXI]

7:53 ... What the hell is a moose? Joking aside, loved the documentary. Your work is superb!

[@lordjaters4522]

It would be really sick if they expanded upon Kirin in the upcoming MHWilds. Seeing something like a sandstorm Kirin manipulating the storm seen in the trailer then maybe learning more about the Kirin in general would be really neat.

[@TsulaAngenati2292]

The Kirin may be able to send water molecules into the air from its azure horn to create the conditions for the thunderstorms and use metallic properties in said horns may attract the bolts like a lightning rod. In the case of Oroshi- a cooling agent is released with said water molecules that flash freeze when the horn is swung as it leaves a cool breeze that the cooling agent reacts too and causes the water molecules to freeze

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

Elder Biology has ALWAYS really been interesting to me and one of my FAVORITE timbits of lore in Monster Hunter - I like that the unnatural CAN be partially understood, and yet they still remain daunting and unknown.

[@darthnius809]

Excited for the season finale, keep up the good work! Towel/10

[@bohlam6c]

i do appreciate that capcom still makes Kirin a mysterious monster. We now have several elder dragons that can manipulate lightnings but still nobody can understand how Kirin's ability works.

[@whiteninji352]

Since the Wilds announcement got me hyped, and this kirin episode is probably going to keep me on a hyperfixation for a bit.

[@Warpded]

In a world where you have to sharpen your hammer, horses can be dragons

[@RevengeRaptorREAL]

I really love your method of storytelling. I put this video on as audio-only at work and was thoroughly entertained, like I was listening to a documentary about a real creature. I hope you continue to make these, they're absolutely amazing. With the upcoming MH6, I just know we'll have more lore to infer about and more elder dragons to want to learn about, its gonna be a great year when that game comes out!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Excited for the season finale! Keep up the great work! You're awesome 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@EthanFazel]

Regarding the notion at the end regarding the "true" ability of the Kirin Genus, it lines up quite well with my own pet theory regarding the entire classification of Elder Dragons, or at least those that demonstrate clear extrasensory abilities. Specifically, I believe that the true undercurrent that classifies an Elder Dragon is the presence of "True Electrosense", or more accurately, the ability to read and manipulate the planet's electrosphere in some capacity, using an extremely specialised form of electroreceptors that, in all vertebrate Elder Dragons, manifests as horns of some variety. Practically speaking, we see this in the relationship between and Elder Dragon's extrasensory abilities and their horns, such as the Kirin's apparent ability to call down lightning and the Oroshi Kirin's ability to flash-freeze the atmosphere, both of which become hindered after their horns are destroyed. Other immediate examples include the barriers of wind created by the Kushala Daora, which due to their poor immune system, also can be hampered by the presence of toxins within their body, the auras of flame and ability to superheat the atmosphere as manifested by both the males and females of the Ostra genus, the Chamelos's ability to mentally manipulate fog to perform metamaterial cloaking, the manipulation of bioluminecent plankton by the Ceadeus, the Amatsumagutchi's ability to hold itself aloft and generate typhoons, the Alatreon's ability to command the elements via using an unstable combination of previously mentioned expressions of True Electrosense, the Shagaru Magala's ability to seemingly command it's virus within the atmosphere to create a vortex of darkness, alongside remote detonations via chemical reactions and the Dalamadur's ability to summon meteors of unknown origin.

[@drakeford4860]

Woke up to a new MH trailer AND a new Oceaniz vid? Good day. I know it's not your usual content style, but I'd love to see a video with your thoughts on it.

[@KaijuSized_Taco]

I eagerly await every upload, nice work!

[@diseasedwombat5611]

Your ecology videos for Monster Hunter Wilds are going to be amazing! I can’t wait!

[@azamfuad9547]

There were also another subspecies of Kirin that is Thunder Emperor Kirin. Was seen in MH Exlpore. I would say its lore would be when confront with Rajang, the Kirin end up wining and gaining power from Rajang Horns. Thus Transform it into Thunder Emperor Kirin.

[@andreaslois3074]

Not really canon. Explore species get pretty weird and wild

[@femthingevelyn]

This series isn't doing explore or frontier monsters because they're spin-offs, and not really canon

[@93earthbound]

While I have never played Monster Hunter I still deeply enjoyed this video. Thank you and Merry Christmas!

[@megumin-staff6937]

Seeing kirin for the first time in Snowy mountain in Freedom Unite and fighting is truly majestic and such experience. That is also emulated when i first saw Oroshi and it became my first favorite ice monster of the series. Would love to see them both again in 6th gen

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content man! Keep up the good work 😊😊😊😊😊

[@killingspeerx]

Insane work man. I am working on a Monster Hunter comic and your lore videos are insanely helpful

[@jimjimson6208]

Hey man I've been binging these videos and I just want to say that they are really cool and entertaining 👍

[@chatdechessire2393]

An amazing video, as always. 😊

[@anotherjason]

Can't believe we're already at our first elder dragon

[@alexpopejoy5429]

I absolutely love this series, one of the first things i thought of when watching the new interview of tsujimoto was how much more material you'll have to work with. Definitely hoping youll make some ecology videos on mhwilds.

[@ShellShocks14]

The Grim Dawn music tho ❤️ you have immaculate taste

[@dondizon4061]

Great video! Keep making more. It would also help if you could make a video with regards on why the Frenzied Monsters are not in MH Rise + Sunbreak. Also how different is the Apex monsters from the Apex State that overcame the Frenzy Virus.

[@fragolari_ml]

This is THE BEST MonHun content I've ever watched! CONGRATS!

[@Kay-Dawg]

love these!!

[@siragon756]

Another Friday, another Monster Hunter Ecology. Hype for whatever you have in store for the first Elder Dragon of the series !

[@Master26Productions]

Another beautiful episode!! Side note, could you do Valstrax soon? He's my favorite.

[@zap4th368]

hoping for a shara ecology video eventually. Cause I feel like it would fit well in a thing like this.

[@lnoastaroth8360]

i didnt even saw it completely but i can affirm that is a good video again

[@lachlanwu2838]

I imagine Fatalis is being saved for later, since he was a secret boss in MH1.

[@edwarddanza5468]

Oceaniz said that he isn't doing the Black Dragons since they are meant to be a mystery.

[@grigori9061]

@@edwarddanza5468 does that include safi’jiva, and xeno’jiva? The main reason I’m asking is because up until Sophie’s release being called a black dragon was synonymous with being called a first class, dangerous monster, and vice versa until safi broke the mold by being a first class, dangerous monster but instead being a red dragon and the artwork shows that he was originally intended to be a black dragon until they changed it in order to differentiate him from the classic trio and that’s not including the frontier monsters that also qualify as first class dangerous monsters

[@edwarddanza5468]

@@grigori9061 idk if Safi was classified as a First Class. I thought he was just below the First Class Monsters, probably around Shantien level where he is a rival of Alatreon but doesn't stand much of a chance.

[@Artwolf007]

​​​@@edwarddanza5468Capcom official lore books say otherwise (safi's equal to fatalis). So def first class

[@deanastephensosborne5604]

​@@Artwolf007true but the guild basically said this is the only one we will allow knowledge of since it actually poses a threat and is also able to easily be classified as the strongest elder as a cover up for the other things we don't talk about

[@nickbutler9831]

Kirin seems to be able to manipulate moisture over lightning. It uses this to condense ambient electricity into storm cloud, which it summons lightning by using either its horn as a lightning rod or by spreading its fur out into the air to do the same

[@logr12dragonknight55]

Very nice, though, now that I think about it, going off your video, it would be possible in the future to see a Kirin use the water element or have a semi aquatic lifestyle.

[@freak3d]

Love the video! Btw which elders/wyverns do you think will be coming in Monster Hunter Wilds? I hope a big boi like Jhen Mohran!

[@MagmaBlaster]

So kirin, gypceros, the raths, gravios/basarios, now lao shan lung. This man is going over the entire first gen roster. I wonder if ####### is next?

[@edwarddanza5468]

Yes Season 1 is Generation 1 with each season being each Gen. Also he isn't doing any Black Dragons since they are meant to be a mystery

[@brightbound3309]

​@@edwarddanza5468he already did one it's more of a found journal thing though

[@Jelly-Ze-Fish]

Your videos convinced me to try out the monster hunter series! Excited to get into it with my boyfriend. Your redacted videos have brought tears, terror, and happiness. S+++++ content.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

9:26 Which, Given the tower's... Information that I'm not allowed to disclose... Is terrifying, but makes sense.

[@TheHourglassoftime]

What do you mean? Have you signed a non disclosure agreement

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

@@TheHourglassoftime I was RP'ing. The Tower has some really cool lore that dundorma would likely NOT want getting out, like the Existence of the Black Dragons.

[@DynomitePunch]

Guild Master writing in jounral - "perfectly straight, spiral horn...." Me the hunter- *staring at the SPIRAL horn* ....sir....i....i don't think that word means what you think it- *smacked on the head with a roll of paper* Guild Master - "shush, none of that, perfectly straight, long and pointed..." Me the hunter - "well, you got two out of three descri- ow!" *smacked on the head by a palico with random bone* FINE, fine...whatever, it's your journal/// *walks off grumbling to the canteen*

[@maozilla9149]

nice video

[@seshajelmaanularhitamtahks8275]

rajang: ah what do you mean? that horn is my meal!

[@BiggerJohnTheSnorlaxGod]

I hope Oroshi Kirin comes back for the new game. 😌🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

[@BogdanFB9]

Respect!

[@orpheusthepoet3149]

I always liked the elder dragon classification for the Kirin. World was my first monster hunter so when I first fought one it really highlighted elder dragons as forces of nature as opposed to beasts to hunt.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

3:20 is this from one of the oficial manga? If yes where did you found it? I have been searching for the other manga that arent Orage since forever lol Amazing video as always btw

[@the8anarchist]

Man hearing Grim Dawn music in the background confused the hell outta me, last place i expected to hear it.

[@jeronym894]

The" Gorte Magala incident" Im excidet fot magala episode if there will be one.

[@mrwysoczanskiarmymenreview288]

Love the vid to more plz❤

[@glory_ger]

Thought this was gonna reference the beer too

[@witherslayer8673]

never mess with the lightning pony(thing) it won't mess with you, but you will regret messing with it also... I hope we get a dragon element kirin

[@ijustsawthat]

Kirin is just ultra instinct Kelbi

[@NanoNano-jq6sq]

when i'm hunting this is all i listen to

[@laquedibuja2003]

i have a question, with this becoming a whole separate series, will you eventually go back to monsters you've covered previously like rajang or monsters you've covered in passing in in the nature of monster hunter world/rise series?

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

5:42 Let this be a lesson for new hunters; DONT MESS WITH MONSTERS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! Bragging rights are no defense against poaching, and THIS is what awaits those who attack random mysterious monsters without the decades of experience and skill earned by top hunters. You may look cool in your head; Your corpse WON'T.

[@Sir_Egios]

I've always wondered: what is the music that plays in the intro. I haven't been able to find it. If anyone knows what it is, please let me know.

[@blankblank6214]

That one monster in the story's anime that as some level of telepathy

[@fracture4047]

With this lore, it really makes me wonder if the homeland of the Kirin and Rajang is something we are going to eventually see in Monster Hunter Willds! Could you imagine if they revealed the curtain on where these creatures are actually from?!

[@ilbestia1799]

Man, this episode gone.... wild...

[@rb8258]

Imagine if Velkhana had to eat Oroshi Kirin horns to get its powers

[@Thrillr]

😮 the Kirin!!! Truly a fantastic beast 😅😂

[@legomaster2538]

08:15 What’s the name of the song that plays here?

[@untrapo9128]

Esta es mi parte favorita de estar vivo

[@DynomitePunch]

i know were not techincally supposed to know how the kirin can call lightning, but i believe it's the horn, i believe the material of the horn and maybe even it's whole skeleton, is lined with special magnetic tissue that can cause the air around it to magnetise and create a sort of funnelling effect for the electrical currents in the air, therefore calling down thunder, i don't like to think it's "psychic" or "magic" cuz that's too easy for monster hunter ya know? the sideways lightning attack is largely why i think this, cuz the kirin moves it's horn in the direction it WANTS the lightning to travel, so that's my theory, a HUNTER THEORY!!! sorry i had to....oh....hunter theories.....could be a good idea for a show....

[@Masterofhammers]

My little pony. Electric bogaloo edition

[@TheVeiledMonarch]

If seeing weapons with parts from Kirin in Mh:W, yet I haven’t fought one

[@MrDaGoblin]

OOF this brings me back to FU and I was so cocky seeing a little unicorn on a hunt... untill my Greatsword kept bouncing off and i got carted faster than my first Tigrex hunt lmao

[@Lagi42800]

Well, well fellow scholars, ... I myself propose that the Orochi might be a unique adaptation to counter the Rajangs fury ... Could it be ... ?

[@ritamexploresindia7052]

What's the thunder emperor kirin

[@godtierdragon_5156]

What’s the opening theme

[@zacharyrodriguez4348]

The monster that my cousin hunted into exsention

[@TheGraveKnight]

Ah yes, the *H O N S E*

[@SoZexal]

OST at 8:15? Anyone?

[@wafflinxes5224]

The things that make Elders Dragons special is their grandeur. They are the only ones that have "magic" in the world of MH (nergigante's regen, kirin's lightning, kushala's tornados, etc...) or are just incomprehensible (dalamadur, ahtal-ka, jhen mohran, etc...). And that's also why I don't like "elder tier monsters" if they are not extremes of the species (although rajang hunting kirin is fine, it makes sense)

[@sameldarwich2490]

Kirin be using hacks lol

[@blankblank6214]

Kinda wish we got a rajang subspecies that ate an orochi Kirin for ice rajang

[@pelusa720]

As cool as that sounds, it probably wouldn't make much sense. Iirc, Rajang don't actually get their powers from Kirin horns, they have thunder element since they're born, the horns only awaken them.

[@blankblank6214]

@@pelusa720 hence the subspecies and not variant seeing as subspecies are able to go from fire to ice in concept

[@pelusa720]

@@blankblank6214 didn't read the subspecies part. Makes sense then ^ ^

[@Shoyro]

This further reinforces my belief that the Kirin MAY not be a danger if not provoked. They only act in response of hunters approaching it. The question is if you approach it in a non-threatening manner, or you don't show aggression for a period of time in an area, could one approach a Kirin without fear of being attacked?

[@R.P.Genocraft]

honse

[@somepvpguy69]

Rajang ripping off a Kirin horn and eating it/10

[@fuckhead0]

honestly, imagine if the thunderstorm from Wilds trailer IS a Kirin in the area, maybe this game can give justice to the statement about elder dragons being walking natural disasters, a Teostra in the environment causes the temperatures to rise and the water to start evaporating, the ground dries up, a Kushala Daora lowers the temperature, winds start building up and the ecosystem becomes unstable, it would be fantastic

[@Hilversumborn]

Never anger the nice ones.

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

Rajang- i see.

[@juvenalromero6306]

Hunters do Well Done Steaks out of monsters *Kirin makes Burnt Meat out of hunters* 💀

[@astrohunter__]

As interesting as unique as Kirin is I really hope they revamp its fight because yeah it is like introductory elder dragon but it’s a lackluster fight😭 like the cinematics always make it look more bad ass and fun then it is

[@ethanpatel3622]

Also, the moisture theory doesn’t completely hold up when you consider the fact that Rajang get their abilities from eating Kirin Horns. Just accept it’s magic and call it a day 😅

[@GOOBER42018]

Again, no.

[@Shinzon23]

I always find it funny that this is lumped in as a dragon despite the fact that unlike the other "dragon descended" species out there, Kirin looks nothing like them. I mean, kirin has hooves, a body plan nothing like the other "dragons", and appears to have plant eater teeth....

[@handtomouth4690]

"Elder dragon" doesn't mean dragon shaped. There's plenty of elder dragons that don't look like dragons.

[@Shinzon23]

@handtomouth4690 It's more the idea that they don't have any other way to understand it other than "it's some sort of weird dragon thing", that I find amusing.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Honse

[@ethanpatel3622]

It feels a little like the series is trying to avoid the word magic a lot, even though it would be inherently required for any of the giant flying wyverns to fly even 20 feet off the ground

[@GOOBER42018]

Monster hunter strictly has no magic within it, and all things are biological and explained naturally. Also that logic applies to every single movie or game with stuff like dragons, you just need a little suspension of disbelief

[@ethanpatel3622]

@@GOOBER42018 sources or it’s not canon.

[@ethanpatel3622]

@@GOOBER42018 also potions that immediately cure greivous wounds and insects that apply attack, defense and health boosts? Excuse me if I believe these have some magic affinity

[@roboraptortitantamer]

Hi

[@grigori9061]

Am I the only one that found it weird that in monster hunter rise the most Japanese themed monster Hunter to date kirin one of the most Japanese inspired monsters in monster hunter series never showed up?

[@tagon2381]

Mostly cause kirin is a Chinese mythological creature. The theme of rise was more yokai anyway, and a kirin isn’t a yokai

[@grigori9061]

@@tagon2381 OK that reasoning is a little more understandable, but it still kind of falls flat given that they have rajang in the game and I know for a fact he is inspired by both the saiyans of dragon ball Z and sun wuKong of journey to the west, with the latter being the inspiration for the former

[@tagon2381]

@@grigori9061 maybe they just wanted the newer flagships/ED’s to shine. There’s plenty of monsters who don’t fit the Japanese aesthetic, such as stuff like diablos, cham/teo/kush, and even the raths.