Kiritsugu Speech || A Battlefield Is Hell || [Animated]

[@TVHead003]

I always found it interesting that he ended up summoning the thing he hates most. She is a woman who fights with honor and believes in the capacity for good rather than accept the ever present evil.

[@Words_With_Emotions.]

Ironic right 😂

[@TVHead003]

@@Words_With_Emotions. when it comes to the Fate series, it feels more like destiny than anything else. Both Master and Servant have something they need to learn from each other. In Zero, the masters knew exactly who they’d summon, which is probably half the reason Kiritsugu refused to associate with Saber. He wanted her to be nothing more than just another weapon at his disposal because he knew he couldn’t tolerate her beliefs as a person, let alone as a hero.

[@ssjokg4952]

Meanwhile Saber in FSN trying to kill defenseless Masters, little girls and her own Master if it means winning....

[@bluejjay]

Yeah and it reinforces his character as one who doesn't let personal feelings get in the way of the mission, and he'll use even his worst enemies as his tools. To him, the myth behind the Avalon scabbard was probably secondary to its healing properties, and King Arthur nothing more than a lethal weapon of destruction.

[@ssjokg4952]

@@bluejjay And yet didn't use Saber effectively because he let his feelings affect him. Even when they were the only ones remaining from his team, he still ignored her because what he thought about her was moe important than using her effectively

[@avengerex]

He passed on the ideals of 'A hero of Justice' onto Shirou and look how that turned out in the end.

[@Human_01]

It turned out fine actually! 😐

[@EliyahDaBoss]

@@Human_01 shirou in the 3 routes turned out fine but that was only because of archer(EMIYA). EMIYA turned out stuck in a endless cycle of killing forever

[@Facts_Senpai]

It's a sad but beautiful story of someone wanting good for others but suffering himself because of it 😔😔

[@andrewryan8369]

Such is a heavy burden. Should one allow itself to breath and dive into this thought, one will drown in the sorrow, as beautiful as Chopin's grave.

[@MercW11]

The Emiya name is a curse. The last 3 bearers have lived their life in misery. The very name carries tragedy with itself. And that's because of the nature of the humans that carry their name. They sacrifice themselves for others. In Shirou Emiya's words, "I'll do it. If it means no one has to cry"

[@3rrbigamer]

“In youth your truest self wished to be a hero, did it not?” Homie just hit puberty 😂

[@wamaschawama5178]

,,True human nature has not advanced a step beyond the stone age" That line goes hard

[@313bankai]

Imagine a conversation between him and Nagato/pain

[@williamtaylor1136]

Nagato : The world shall know pain. Kiritsugu : The world is pain. Nagato : Damn...

[@refinant6298]

Manchild who threw away everything he had for an actually stupid ideal vs guy who lost literally everything and took it out on the world with a good ideal but a stupid method that, unfortunately, is the only one that works in the world of Naruto. Jeez, I wonder who'll win.

[@CastDeathGames]

The most ironic thing is he is just as delusional as saber is, simply in a different way, I mean he unironically thought he could save the world from itself lol

[@riiddisbuk2496]

The problem with Saber is that she thinks war can be glorious. When she can just see it as something to be fought with purpose. If that war has no purpose, it's just chaos. Madness. War has its commanders who uphold some form of *order* while madness is just chaos. Not many can tell the difference because of the fact that no matter which one of the two you look at, there is bloodshed and death where you might not know what the reason is at the time. It is horror, regardless.

[@yungslack7311]

Only one who aims to break the cycle can break the cycle

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Everyone dies as they live be it in the smallest example possible to the biggest. What does it take for a cycle to die? It meets a loophole. How does it die the way it has lived? It rotates once more. @@yungslack7311

[@Yash-zy2qr]

@@riiddisbuk2496 that's because Fate zero ruined Saber's character. In Saber's backstory in FSN it's clearly mentioned that Saber has won ten great wars and she basically spend most of her reign fighting wars.

[@alexanderedwards1882]

Honestly If you want to his ideology in action you get EMIYA(archer) in which he lived his entire life like Kiritsugu's in a thousand lifetimes killing the minority in order to save the majority. The only thing I wonder is that can the grail truely break that cycle?

[@simonmariolle351]

You know, sometimes I wonder if kirtisugu entire the holy grail war when he was younger and with Natalie by his side, just maybe, maybe saber and him would talk to each other and try to understand one another ideals and their point of view on war. Kirtisugu asking how can knights extolled warfare and have they ever about the families if the men they killed. Saber by asking how can he make the world a better place if all you do is kill anyone who is a threat to another else instead of finding a peaceful alternative and if he doesn't believe in justice and righteousness is something that exists then does still try to attain them so no one else has to cry. If they both try put aside they pride and try find common ground, no one would beat, I would goes as far to say they would be friends.

[@gatsuofmontecristo7337]

I love that EMIYA is Just like kiritsugu

[@allfiction8905]

I mean after ww1 and ww2 i understand that his words is true. I too one wish for justice but now with humanity corruption i don't believe it possible anymore

[@Words_With_Emotions.]

That's why this is important question

[@rodrigoa.oviedogarcia8139]

Except that those wars were decided by the elite, not the common soldier as the minority of them didn´t want to fight anymore. I understand Kiritsugu´s point, but the problem with him is that he's not being realistic he's being pessimistic, and arrogant as he sees himself as the guy that can unify the world, the irony here is that to achieve world peace he needs to kill people which at this point they were just numbers for him. Also is being a while since those wars, humanity may not be perfect, but we try and right now the world is a little better than before it could be better, but for that to happen we need to have hope.

[@MahiMahi-yu5jo]

The more I watch this show, the more flaws I see in the ideals of the characters. Both Saber and Kiritsugu want to be heroes, they want to save the world, but neither stop to think about actual solutions. They are both desperate enough to take the first obvious scam they find. After all, there is a reason why every story about wish-granting devices is a cautionary tale.

[@ciszaiogien]

Not that you understand the true meaning of it all kiddo

[@mohammadhosseini6675]

DBZ DBS enters the chat YO Can you please restore the damaged earth has taken and bring those who killed back to life.

[@helios2664]

Saber is also not properly characterized in Zero

[@RedGold999]

You haven’t watched the show if you really think that. Saber seeks the grail because she has no other choice, Kiritsugu seeks the grail (even though he doesn’t think it will actually grant his wish) because it’s the last sliver of hope after everything else has failed, or would have failed, in practice.Kiritsugu didn’t jump at this opportunity without thinking of anything else, and Saber had no choice but to take this opportunity.

[@destinitaylor4360]

There’s always one thing I have NEVER understood about that line from Saber. “Even the taking of another’s life in battle, as a human being, must have ideals!” …..what?? How can you, righteousness or not, evil or not, an idealist, a king, a saint, whatever. How can you look at someone in their eye, after you murdered their love ones in the act of war and say you killed them because of “your ideals”. Killing is killing. It’s wrong no matter what your position or your reasoning is. Killing another person should never be honorable. Which is why I will always be more partial Kiritsugu’s side in this argument over Saber’s, even though he’s certainly not entirely right either. (A world without suffering is foolish and a delusion after all) Actually to be exact neither character is entirely right or wrong here truth be told, it’s just more so who resonated more with you. To me my personal opinion is this, Kiritsugu is not blinded by the pretty lies told to children about glory, honor, and Justice, and yet still despite this wants to be a hero, while Saber is, and she burned for it, they both did. A lesson to be learned. Heros cannot save the world, that’s better left to fairy tales. The battlefield is not an honor to behold. It’s bloody, it’s heinous, MONSTROUS even. It’s hell on earth and it’s laughable to think that honor can be had on one

[@teencomment]

Noble causes, laws of war, codes of chivalry. Taking a life because it's a duty, rather than because you want to kill. Treating your opponent with honor even as you defeat them, rather than being cruel. That sort of thing is what she was talking about. Kiritsugu, however, knows that you can dress it up however you want, but war is war, and it's awful, no matter what cause you claim to be following in it. It's easy to say that you're fighting for a noble cause, but the reality always makes you doubt, because the situation you actually experience is far from noble and glorious.

[@ciszaiogien]

I love to watch you kids struggle to understand the reality, and how you "normies" pretend to know everything. If you don't fight for ideals, then your life is worth nothing, but even if i say it, does not mean you can ever understand it, you can only try to interpret it in your way, because you are not even trying to understand perfect ideas, so talking with you is pointless, just like your arguments

[@juanescobar1735]

-“Only underlings get caught up in the matter of style and lose the battle. A captain can’t afford such indulgences. Don’t try to be a good kid. Whether you own somebody or they own you. The moment you start a fight, you are wrong in either way. ” -Shunsui Kyōraku

[@ssjokg4952]

You never understood it because it DOESNT make sense and this wasnt what Saber was like before Urobuchi wrote Zero. And thankfully that's not who Saber is in literally every other Fate. Saber knew exactly what war does, the sacrifices needed and wouldnt bother trying to justify it with any sort of ideals. She also HATED fighting but she had to fight because of how much power she held.Aka the bullshit rivalry with Diarmuid that made her willing to let a monster escape is also something forced on her by Urobuchi. He wanted to make her into a naive knight in order to have her clash with Kiritsugu when she herself would have no issues with his methods because she outright would sacrifice her own villages for an advantage in the battlefield. The reason she hated him at the end was only because of the order to destroy the grail, which to her came out of nowhere. Kiritsugu and Saber are supposed to be the same, not opposites.

[@riiddisbuk2496]

To put it simply, to take a life in battle must have *purpose* behind it. Otherwise, if the whole world waged war for nothing, you might as well unleash the fire of hell. And in a battlefield, there are chances for victory. In hell, there's only eternal defeat.

[@shaifs5072]

Thanks. All videos of this scene except for this one seems to have disappeared from youtube.

[@fluffyisyermom7631]

Chivalry separates people from barbarity. Its easy to be ruthless but hard to let a child go knowing that child might be crazy enough to try and hurt you. But it is the ideals of chivalry that founded the west. Its why we have thrived while civilizations thousands of years old have fallen into purgatory. Those who are ruthless and brutal might exist for 2 or 3 millenia, but they wont advance at all. To truly move forward, good or bad, one must try to stay human even on a battlefield where you didnt want to be there. But an enemy nation. An enemy gang. A billigerant drunk. Forced you to fight or die. Saber didnt defend herself here because she hadnt even thought deeply about it. She was a patriot but what she really needed to be was a philosopher for her people. To help them move forward rsther than be a pretty magical terminator in the name of her country

[@williamtaylor1136]

Except if you know war or look at history, Chivalry is a lie told to make the soldier and civilian feel better. Barbarians were a great source of slave labor for Rome. The reality is, war hasn't changed. When swords are swung, arrows leased or bullets rained the result is no different. A comrade you shoot, the innocent you kill. The same soldier on the other side that dies so that you can live. Human nature hasn't evolved a step beyond the stone age. War is hell.

[@TheNorthHawk]

@@fluffyisyermom7631 Don't kid yourself. The "West" was not founded on ideals of chivalry. That delusion was born out of a desire to whitewash the sins of the father, and is a blatant lie. While throughout history there may have been rare individuals who conducted themselves according to some narrow and convenient definition of heroic virtue, in the end the civilizations held up as the sires of the West were invariably those who were the most warlike, the most convinced of their own moral superiority and divine entitlement to rule while also being the most warlike, the most willing to raze, destroy and despoil, visit violence upon others and subjugate or enslave them. To pretend otherwise is absurd.

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Little do you know, Kiritsugu, that wars can be won. As for imprisonment in hell... there isn't even any refuge.

[@Nameless0ne419]

@@riiddisbuk2496 But are they truly won if there’s just another one later?.. i mean in just the last 300 years we’re in double digits. Sure, the reasoning for the war is different, but war is war. The Cold War should’ve been the real eye opener for everyone across the world that mayyyybe war is a bad idea… yet here we are.

[@ssjokg4952]

A shame that Zero made Saber into a naive little knight just for the sake of clashing with Kiritsugu.

[@williamtaylor1136]

I think that Zero was what prevented her from continuing to be a naive little knight.

[@ssjokg4952]

@@williamtaylor1136 Except that her flashbacks in FSN show that she wasn't one. She was actually a lot more like Kiritsugu than Zero portrays her.

[@williamtaylor1136]

@@ssjokg4952 I think they were always a lot more alike than either were comfortable with. Flashbacks tend to be subjective to where somebody is at emotionally when they have them. I think Kiritsugu, Gilgamesh, Iskandar and even Shiro all contribute to how she viewed her past.

[@ssjokg4952]

@@williamtaylor1136 it wasn't her narrating anything tho. It was Shirou directly looking at her past life. Iskandar, Gil and Kiritsugu assuming stuff is a different thing.

[@williamtaylor1136]

@@ssjokg4952 She is narrating when you consider Fate lore. Master and Servant see each others dreams. If your dreams are shattered by experience, it alters your perspective. Those three all shattered her perceptions in different ways.

[@cfcblue8]

Here's a game. Pick a few quotes from Kiritsugu and a few from William Tecumseh Sherman, mix them up, and then see if you can tell who said what.

[@داركماتر-ت1ط]

can you make Archer speech

[@DibbzTV]

Two sides of the same coin

[@calcu7269]

damn nc vid

[@Words_With_Emotions.]

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[@tzadikinnistarim3610]

I gor surprised i had to agree with kiritsugu once, he is right, war is not honour and any stupid thing like that, ww1 ww2 were terrible, why would the wars before them be "honour and graceful battles"? Not to mention he is right, probably in a war these "heroes" murdered many innocents

[@stephendabok5184]

Itachi?

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Finally, the last humanity will ever shed? Don't be ridiculous. You want that to stop, you better ensalve the will of mankind.

[@tagmata1872]

That’s basically the goal, it’s to liberate humans from all their needs and wants and to essentially make them exist as spirits, at least on paper, in reality his goal is a lot messier and requires a lot more blood which is why he gives up on it

[@riiddisbuk2496]

@@tagmata1872 Such is the case of when you live in a world with all kinds of people, bearing all kinds of similarities and differences.

[@tagmata1872]

@@riiddisbuk2496 yep that’s also part of the point, to strip people of their differences and wants and needs, it’s part of why the method is ultimately rejected by certain characters

[@riiddisbuk2496]

@@tagmata1872 Sounds like the grail's purpose if anything in Fate Zero. And if deemed true to yourself, you can get basically what you want.

[@tagmata1872]

@@riiddisbuk2496 no the grail’a corrupted utterly by this point due to actions that happened in the third grail war, it can’t truly save humanity

[@Unkown-asf]

Anime name

[@Words_With_Emotions.]

Fate zero

[@Human_01]

Say "please". Sheesh. 🙄 I swear, if you're an ISFP personality type, you need to be f'ed up for your casual rudeness/bluntness, despite being an emotionally weak and unintelligent personality type. Bunch of Judas Iscariot-trash that wants to be cuddled and babied, but lacks 'humanity' as an instinct! Hence the irrational, apathetic, bluntness, born of lacking emotional-empathy and sufficient intelligence. You don't deserve to be around good (INTELLIGENT) people. You are basically 'narcissitic personality disorder'. Just a tool that exists to serve narcissits.

[@dimetri1678]

poor saber, always the naive one

[@okita_souji_alter]

She was never supposed to be naive in the first place. Zero completely ruined her character

[@Words_With_Emotions.]

True that

[@aurumferro]

They need jesus

[@neodasus]

Both characters desperately need Jesus, He would speak to them both profoundly. He is the perfect Justice they seek. I always saw Fate through that lens. It's very sad to see. Jesus is Lord. 🕊️❤️🔥

[@aceforster3916]

In character they don't need Jesus to make them better look at kiri