Archer's Words || Ideals

[@slimshady9147]

Those who truly believe and dedicate their lives to helping others know that all that awaits them is pain and ingratitude,but some of them do their best and hope that at least one of the children can be inspired to some day lift the torch and light even more than the person that inspired them.

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

I like what you said. I try to help other with no expectations

[@ishandraws8884]

That's what happen when you help others with borrowed ideals...if you truly believe in it, you won't expect even a thankyou. Trust me. You do it for yourself, for your own sake.

[@slimshady9147]

Ishan Draws There is no way of escaping pain and ingratitude in the path of self sacrifice and humility,one might not expect to be compensated but it hurts knowing that the person you just helped wont turn around and help another. Those who put others before themselves suffer more when others hurt each other than when he is hurt.

[@ishandraws8884]

@@slimshady9147 for me, when i help someone it is not for their sake, but for mine because i don't feel good saying no to someone's request. (not trying to make myself look good, but selfish) They can do whatever they want after that. 😅

[@slimshady9147]

Ishan Draws Omg,i have a similar feeling, my mom had told me that my aunt would be spending a couple of days at home and i really dont like her so i told my mom I wasn’t gonna help her settle in,but when she arrived my first instinct was to get her bags down and prepare the guest room among other preparations,and by the time i realized it i had already settled her. I’ve always tried to be selfish but it just never seems to work out 😤.

[@mariob616]

Emiya: People die when they are killed! Archer: "You are not just a clown, you are the whole circus"

[@ALLY_OF_BRUH]

🤣 thx

[@thang4534]

If you didn't die when get killed, will you get count as a human ?

[@merryberri]

Lancer:

[@thang4534]

@@merryberri he is a Heroic Spirit and he is already dead. We talk about us. If you get killed and still alive do you get counts as a human anymore ?

[@merryberri]

@@thang4534 i was more referring to the spin off, Carnival Phantasm. where the whole joke of the series is him dying in stupid ways.

[@nawalpandey718]

“I don't know if it was correct or not. Nobody will be able to determine that. The beautiful things are ugly and ugly things are beautiful. There is nothing disgusting, once you look at it objectively. So why is there such a deviation in world? Sophistry, falsehood, trickery and vanity.” - Emiya Shirou

[@blizzard1198]

It is still subjective

[@verdenaihl]

if u have ever tried to understand the world in a great extent, u will know u cannot understand it. The part u understand makes it beautiful, and the part u dont makes it ugly.

[@samaelfromstein1503]

The forbidden fruit makes us gods. Thy delectable words of love, and thy grave oaths, are like the fire of the roses, and like those delectable moments which no one knows of... The greatest angels were always devils from great Bacchanalias; they enjoyed the lips of love, they sung the song of songs... Red roses are better than white, because they have the sapience of sin and the vertigo of the Absolute, and because they have wept a lot, The most divine Gods are those who have been more human; the most divine Gods are those who were Devils. Samael aun weor

[@EZMODE562]

Kenpachi: "You mean you need a reason to fight?"

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Gonna look into it thx

[@labibsaud8064]

Kenpachi zaraki has a reason to fight and that's for himself and himself alone, he revels in battle and bathes in it's glow. That is why I can respect him and not Emiya.

[@EZMODE562]

@@labibsaud8064 i didnt say he didnt have a reason. Was just quoting what he said. Thanks for explaining tho ig

[@labibsaud8064]

@@EZMODE562 I apologize if it came out accusing, but no, I just had a moment of thought on why I still don't like Emiya Shirou, when I read your comment I understood a bit more on why I despise the character but like zaraki who is a brutish but not delusional and doesn't sugarcoat stuff.

[@EZMODE562]

@@labibsaud8064 ahhh i understand, much love brotha

[@m.ajiprasetyo7188]

"Nobody gets to say my dream is stupid except me!" "Your dream is stupid Shirou!"

[@Etch..]

I mean... technically...

[@clothar23]

That moment you both agree and disagree with yourself...literally.

[@nyielarroyo-green5528]

Just because you are correct, doesn't mean you're right

[@Etch..]

People Die When They Are Killed

[@nyielarroyo-green5528]

Also archer can diss his dream because he is Emiyia

[@NesdatNatsirt]

Archer sounds just so tired. He's repeated this speech so many times to himself and maybe others that he's just done with it. Especially with Emiya who's everything he was and is working towards everything he wanted.

[@temodeart]

Archer: Ideals Emiya: People die when they are killed

[@ice-xk2uv]

._.

[@abcdefg1343]

ah yes the floor here is made of floor

[@midas7719]

@@abcdefg1343 that’s not true though....

[@nawalpandey718]

And iskandar:- It is because i am not in perfect condition that i am more in perfect condition tonight. 😁

[@nawalpandey718]

“I don't know if it was correct or not. Nobody will be able to determine that. The beautiful things are ugly and ugly things are beautiful. There is nothing disgusting, once you look at it objectively. So why is there such a deviation in world? Sophistry, falsehood, trickery and vanity.” - Emiya Shirou.

[@1rotzy]

Helping others is a thankless action. It may never be acknowledged by others. But it can have lasting effects. Like lighting a fire for for a stranger in a cold night. The stranger may not have asked for it, but they may be thankful for this action. The stranger can share this with someone else, and then shared with another. This new warmth may spread, affecting more, and more people. Reaching out farther than ever conceived. The person who started the fire my never be remembered, but their actions can live forever. But the fire must be tended to. If left alone, the heat will wither, and die, and we all return to a cold world. It is not wrong to help a person, but know that it comes with a risk. Give to much, and you will burn yourself out. Sometimes just a little can go farther than to much.

[@itzyuno3144]

Love the pfp

[@kyleroman2744]

indeed, but not expect everyone to feel gratitude for it, for human are selfish by nature

[@1rotzy]

@@kyleroman2744 attendre et espérer, wait and hope

[@vardiganxpl1698]

Praise to that. It is not a perfect dream, but it is still a kind one nonetheless

[@zachreed9836]

I truly loved this anime it showcases a pure-hearted person who definitely would have gone to heaven had he not sacrificed everything to help people.

[@paintendo2713]

What's the name of the anime

[@Reaped.Reaper]

@@paintendo2713 it's fate stay night

[@Reaped.Reaper]

@@paintendo2713 it's of fate franchise, there are many fate series but this specific qoute is from fate stay night unlimited blade works

[@nevilgeorge9472]

What do u exactly mean by he sacrificed everything to help people?

[@carlweeper7436]

@@nevilgeorge9472 because he basically did. In archer’s timeline he did everything he could to help others no matter the cost, he was even executed for being blamed for something in a war he didn’t do and took it with grace. But because of an incident earlier in archer’s life to save thousands of people from a horrible crisis he made a deal with the counterforce which allowed him to save those people but in exchange he would become a counter guardian after death and never experience a proper afterlife

[@justacatwithasadface2692]

The tragedy of Shirou, and by extension EMIYA, is that ideals cannot exist in this world. Or rather, that this world doesn't deserve ideals. And yet all the same, we, like them, are pulled forward by such lofty ideals, like a ray of light peeking through the cover of fog. Not simply because we want to, but because, at the end of the day, it's *necessary.*

[@animefreak-san489]

At the end of the day, one will realize ideals came to be because there is always another ideal of someone else, mostly what materialized unforeseen destruction only. There's nothing in them except fantasies. That's what EMIYA found out the hard way. This one reality that the world currently suffers from IRL.

[@anonnimoose7987]

EMIYA: you wanna talk about the moon let's talk about the moon Baeber: YOU BE QUIET ABOUT THE MOON

[@whateverwhatever4476]

Moon cell, Crimson Moon or just the moon?

[@cotocoyerakson8195]

The president: Da moon!

[@vardiganxpl1698]

@@whateverwhatever4476 Yes

[@crusading_gladiator1923]

@@whateverwhatever4476 THERES MORE?!

[@Etch..]

Ahh the Moon, a living rock in space with a super-computer on it placed on it by aliens, and inside the alien super-computer moon is an entire digital world, and the digital world is hosting a digital Holy Grail War with digital Servants because it’s actually alive, and in there there’s also the original Rin Tohsaka, Sakura Matou & Kirei Kotomine from the original Fate/Stay Night, but not the original Rin Tohsaka, Sakura Matou & Kirei Kotomine from the original Fate/Stay Night, they’re just characters who look, sound & dress exactly the same, but they’re different, Are You Worrying About It?!, CAUSE I’M NOT!!!

[@deltafx9462]

I think what archer critiques here is very important. 1) this shows us that the main theme of FSN (“conquering oneself”) is heavily related to free will and determinism. This is why archer brings up the idea of borrowed ideals, and warns Shirou that his ideals must be his own. 2) contrary to what most of the people here think, I do not believe archer is critiquing idealism at all. He said “if you fight for an ideal, you can only save ideals”, this hardly sounds like he dislikes ideals, infact it more so shows us the consequence of following an ideal without elements of realism. Looking back on it, I don’t think Shirou is fighting for anyone else, he’s fighting for his ideals, he’s not fighting for the people. Yes, his ideal is to help others, but that’s the thing, his motivation doesn’t properly align to helping others. He cares more about the ideal itself than the actual part about “helping others”. 3) point 2) is also important because it opens the gateway thematically to heavens feel (whose main theme is “the friction between the real and ideal”). The element of realism comes into play in this route, Shirou abandons the idea of fighting for an ideal, he chooses to fight for Sakura matou, in HF what archer says here resolves the issue, Shirou fought for Sakura, so he saved Sakura. Archer said if you fight for an ideal, you will only save ideals. Shirou resolves this as previously stated. 4) salivation through the hands of another is never true, this is supported from archers similie/analogy to currency. He tell us, it gets passed down from one person and then given to the next. I think archer shows us what this idea of tradition entails. And I believe he’s saying it entails in the rejection of free will and rationality. Some form of cultural or social determinism. Showing us the determinism alongside of free will is directly related to Fate Stay Nights main theme of conquering oneself. 5) archers whole dialogue points to a conclusion. This conclusion he tells us in one word. MEANINGLESSNESS. The ultimate form of nihilism. If you’re fighting for an ideal, and only for that ideal, and not for what that ideal ACTUALLY is (meaning you will only save ideals), and if you have no free will to choose to opt out of this ideal, and disregarding the realism behind this ideal, then it points to the word MEANINGLESS. Archer’s whole dialogue showed us what properties and conditions were needed for something or specifically an ideal to be MEANINGLESS. That’s why when Shirou saves Sakura in heavens feel, it’s meaningful, because Shirou made the choice between the ideal and real, showing us that he developed free Will from his cultural determinism, Shirou saves Sakura, he saves specifically her, not the ideal itself, Shirou broke the chain of tradition that he inherited from kiritsugu emiya, meaning his choices were not deterministic in HF, and under Archer’s worldview, heavens feel Shirou and his ending are MEANINGFUL.

[@speedstorm0332]

Emiya takes "suicide" to a whole other level. I mean, if you're always saving others at the cost of yourself, then you might as well save no one. Throwing your life away won't get anyone anywhere. You can't save everyone, that's just not feasible. You need something more tangible to fight for, rather than just a bunch of nameless faces. One must need a reason to do something in order to actually do so. Emiya's doing what he is solely because he can. Because he's supposedly the only one who can. That's not healthy.

[@fiercedeity9955]

He is in for that competitive, ranked suicide.

[@mercy5514]

this is easily one of the most underrated channels ive ever seen, i can and have rewatched so many of your videos end on end. also i recommend anything from fullmetal alchemist or doflamingos speech at marineford from one piece

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Cheers! It's fun for me you know getting to know meaningful and different ideas about these type of media that so many consume. People give me good suggestions, very interesting ones. I will check the ones you mentioned, thanks :)

[@johangalvez5059]

i dont think that one piece has been dubbed that far so he would have to get someone to voice it or just scrap doffys speech

[@mercy5514]

@@johangalvez5059 i feel like ive seen a dub of doflamingos speech before somewhere on youtube

[@TsKnight]

@@johangalvez5059 the marineford arc has been dubbed for a while.

[@GrandAether]

Nasu is a hardcore realist respect unlike many people on the planet he understands the dark reality of the world and tries to pass that reality down on to others

[@zaniru2808]

Which anime can i find nasu?

[@GrandAether]

@@zaniru2808 well he created an entire franchise called fate so I recommend fate stay night than fate unlimited blade works after that watch the Heavens feel movies in order than fate grand order

[@GrandAether]

​@@zaniru2808The Fate Series Its Dark but in the End a Good Story That Shows the Cruelty of Life and The Sheer Burden and Pain of Being a Hero I recommend watching Fate Zero first than fate unlimited blade works than heavens feel 1 through 3 and finally watch Fate Grand Order

[@deltafx9462]

Nasu is a specific form of a realist, most likely a platonic realist.

[@theboyisshh]

​@@deltafx9462 What is that ?

[@priyashmukherjee3015]

*FOR ME Anime isn't just "an anime" or else it wouldn't have impacted so many people, connect, even brighten us, the community that has formed around this is something to behold. Thank you to the people who write manga and anime you've truly touched many of our hearts and have carved a legacy for many to remember. Its not just an anime.. its a teacher, its a lesson, its a motivator, and its something that helps you become who you want to be, its a booster in learning your path and if you try to tell me otherwise ill tell you that's your opinion, this is mine*

[@colt1903]

There will never be a series better at talking about the ideals, beliefs, and philosophy of it's characters.

[@anxiousearth680]

The context here is, that he's speaking about the flaws of his past self. Archer and Shirou are a twist on the hero cliche. They are TOO selfless. That's why he says don't help people, don't fight for causes, especially if it's because someone else wanted to realise that cause and not yourself. Because he doesn't know his limits and destroyed himself doing that. So this quote needs to be taken with context not at face value. If anything, irl this relates to getting burned out. The lesson we can draw is DO NOT take on the world's problems alone. Heck, don't take all the problems at once either. People generally focus on causes they know about and care about. To care for everything and fight for everything would quickly be overwhelming and fail to achieve anything.

[@ignislucis6978]

Archer : Right Emiya? Emiya : aghh, aghh, aghh, aghh

[@adityasahu2789]

there is a anime name "gintama" it has so many good quote like naruto...

[@biswajitpramanik3426]

Its just ahead of its time man, its look so shallow but actually is very deep

[@tvddelena279]

When will madao bloom?

[@shiroyaksha16]

@@tvddelena279 he already bloomin Sir.

[@joelhernandez5281]

It seems pretty lame compared to naruto

[@tvddelena279]

@@joelhernandez5281 I love naruto as well but gintama is better to me. It’s more for adults to understand the messages behind them while naruto is more childish

[@Rille922]

You should do Emils Kiritsugu speach against Saber. That one was really satisfying

[@mirmunawar4414]

@Seahorse those are just sad . All he wanted was to be loyal and to get it in return

[@agampanduferrari8004]

Or Iskandar speak about what king should be

[@lord4bisbryan119]

Hero of justice, a world where no one cries, don’t be ridiculous humanity is a name for an animal who cannot find joy in life without sacrifice the pretty little lie that is equally is nothing more but nonsense sprouted by weaklings who cannot look upon the darkness. Gilgamesh: fsn ubw

[@nawalpandey718]

Still he has not any solid ideal even in the end. He still doesn't know how to protect this world. And yeah he fights for his ideal. But People are wrong that he didn't love humanity. This is the thing which attracted him not kiritsugu's smile. It is the thing which forces him try to define everyone and try to make them happy. This is the true reason behind his ideal which he understands in end. He also said in the fight with Archer that at first it is admiration but it is actually the try to save undone this hell and destroy his hollowness by essence of humanity. it is true that he make path to follow and try to really save everyone without discarding anyone. But the point is he will never get true success in his path. But this journey is representation of his true self and this self itself is enough for his success because it creates hope for ideal world and this hope is enough for human beings to try endlessly to reach the horizon of humankind. You would find that his resolution is interesting to listen but actually is it even possible in reality? Because the reality of world is quite nihilistic. The end of world is inevitable. People cannot save everyone and they can't even save themselves in the end. Objectively, there is no god and bad also. And even a good ideal for some people can be considered as evil for others. It means human should live their even it needs to sacrifice other and they don't accept anything as a result. They shouldn't love or hate others. But their is a problem. Even though it is logically true but is it true that there no evil or good. Actually Shirou's realisation in the end is definitely a try to change this world. But the reality is that his realisation actually change himself in the end. His way of living life is optimistic or more correctly optimistic nihilism. He know that even his way of saving has huge chance of failure. It is also possible that he could also be ended as evil for others. But his dream of hope is itself enough to elevate himself as a human to change this world. Just like you said good and evil can't be destroyed because it creates balance in the world. But just the hope of true equality and justice. The hope of guiding humans in their respective path is itself beautiful. This beauty can elevate every human to live his life in this world and try to find his own meaning in this world and way of living. So this hope, try if ideal world and enough knowledge of consequences really help every human to actually save themselves and world. One statement perfectly fit in his situation i.e “I don't know if it was correct or not. Nobody will be able to determine that. The beautiful things are ugly and ugly things are beautiful. There is nothing disgusting, once you look at it objectively. So why is there such a deviation in world? Sophistry, falsehood, trickery and vanity.” It is of course shirou's own statement. He question this exact question when he get the memory of Archer and asked himself that why he felt this deviation if he thinks good and bad is actually not existed. Why he regretted for this? And why he even follows it in the end? It can also be explained with Angra Mainyu ending in hollow ataraxia where because of shirou's influence, he remembers his resolution as human after prayed as demon. He understands that humans are ugly but this also make them beautiful because they can find beauty even in ugliness of the world. He understands this feature of human being make world as a whole much more beautiful. The hope of creating a world where no one can be harmed is a beautiful thought and this things actually is the reason which drives human to live their life and create curiosity to understand themselves much more better to improve themselves which is actually impossible. In the end, this optimistic view actually make this world much more better place. Everyone has different way to reach the true happiness according to them but objectives are always same for every human being. That's why effort to make this world better is not fruitless and actually this effort to change many lives. Atleast this path can create a world without meaningless bloodshed. I mean if they had a hope like this and believe like this. They atleast try to achieve their goal in better way. It definitely didn't change the factor of sacrifices but it is much more manageable. And this hope can create a beautiful world where people atleast try to understand each other. In the end, we have to sacrifice someone. But this type of hope,desire and satisfaction with only the journey of this ideal is enough to create caring and love nature toward each other. We would sacrifice someone but we cherish for their sacrifice and try to save others because of it. In this world atleast, everything which is important as a human being to elevate in higher heights with more comfort in our life as whole is only possible because of this nature to care each other and co-operation along with our own selfishness. That's why as a human we should spread this motto of cooperation and better world by destroying hate in world to live a successful life. That's what I want to say that hope is the thing which is the reason why human is able to strive in this world. Hope elevate us from a mere animals. Sacrifices are needed to save others. You had to sacrifice someone to save others. We can't change it but we can atleast try to save everyone. We have to spread humanity, save others and guide others to have hope to create a paradise but also accept sacrifices. Without humanity no one can create a better world. I mean without understanding others and without changing everyone. You can't create a better world. Changing in a right path to someone can't be succeeded. Because nothing is right in this world. Something is right for someone are not right for others. But we can try or hope to change world with humanity, saving others or guiding others go understand the shared emotion or nature of every human or in this case every beings. Everyone has different way to reach their path and they are conflicting also. But this hope or try of better world can find path through these all conflicting ideals but it always needed humanity. But in the end, we can't save everyone but we can enjoy this world. We can even enjoy or find beauty even ugliness of humanity. Note:- humanity means our tendency to make a community or save or understand each other. I call it humanity because human are different to animals because of these features. And human are existed because of these features. They created their own loved ones or community or country because of these features.

[@Hollow0814]

What episode did he said that

[@gregd8886]

@@nawalpandey718 Ima be honest, I didn’t read much of that, but nonetheless that work deserves a like

[@anxiousearth680]

Archer is the future self of Shirou Emiya. Archer's words here are a criticism of his flaws. Shirou is a twist on the heroic cliche. Heroism but as a mental illness. After being saved from a magical disaster, he gets survivor's guilt. He feels the need to help people to validate his own worth, saving himself through saving others(hence "salvation is like currency"). First of all by taking on his late father's(also his saviour) ideal of being a hero that saves everyone. A hero to create a world where no one suffers. As a result, Shirou is selfless to a literal fault. He has no regard for his own well being, only of others. He sacrifices and sacrifices until he sells his soul to eternal service and regrets it for eternity. That's why Archer speaks against helping others. That's why he stresses the importance of fighting for your own interests and your own beliefs. In any other person and character, these traits are admirable. But in Archer and Shirou, they are a sickness. An obsession that has and will destroy them.

[@saudel01]

Archer doesn't speak out against helping others. He speaks out against tow main things: (1) pursuing a borrowed ideal and (2) pursuing an ideal so blindly that you fail to look at reality. His own pursuit of a borrowed ideal ended up with him being betrayed by the ideal itself. He doesn't mind that one of the people he saved was responsible for his death, he minds that the only way he can save people is by damning/killing other people (i.e. on a cosmic level his ideal of saving everyone is turned into a mathematical equation of sacrificing the few to serve the many, which runs counter to his dream of saving everyone). This makes him feel like his life wasn't worth anything. This is why he is against the single minded pursuit of an ideal, as in the end you will be left with nothing but an ideal you can never reach.

[@kpetalis]

​@@saudel01 Pretty much this. But allow me to add that his criticism is not even on the ideal, but on the fact that Shirou is suicidal. The fact that he borrowed the ideal of saving everyone is not wrong per say. It is the fact that Shirou is a broken man that holds no value to to himself or even others. He is not concerned about saving people and their livelihood. He is only concerned with the fact that they are alive. He never stopped to listen to the people he supposedly saved or helped them to live their lives and survive after saving them. He never considered why a fight broke out and what is the best way to stop it. He never considered the historical records and the political climate of the places he went into to help stop the war or skirmish or whatever. The only thing in his mind was to stop the fighting, and that led to worse fighting because he never knew what he was supposed to save in the first place. And that led to the killing the few to save the many. Even if those remaining weren't the good people or those in the right. He became a machine pursuing a goal he knew not how to achieve, never mind the fact that the goal itself was an unattainable ideal. The ideal worked for Kiritsugu because as a person Kiritsugu was complete. He had a hard life and he was pursuing an unattainable goal, but he was keenly aware of that. He knew it was impossible to save everyone but he chose to pursuit that ideal never the less. The thing though was, that Kiritsugu understood the people around him. He studied the area he was going to fight into, he studied the history, politics and traditions of the area and he chose which side he would help. His way of fighting and his way of trying to help always bear fruit, even though it was never bloodless and never the ideal solution he wanted. Despite that, Kiritsugu knew what he was doing and he did so fully expecting to fail, hence the pursuit of the Grail. The consequences of his actions were his own to bear as he made a conscious choice to pursuit that ideal. Had he decided to stay with his family and stop fighting, that too would not have been out of character for him as he knew what he was chasing and he knew that he had already made the best he could for his ideal. That is not a choice Shirou is capable of making because the ideal is his "raison d'etre". The pursuit of it is the goal itself, he is not concerned for the people, but with the math. If even one person is killed, even if there was nothing he could to save them, then that is a failure. And so, if that is the case, then he will kill those he can't save so that their deaths won't be counted as casualties, but as targets for extermination. That is the solution to the problem and the reason he is criticizing and saying to himself that he "never knew what to save".

[@umermaraj1262]

"Nothing ever comes of helping others because in the end can't save either , the person u hold the most dear and ur self' "

[@Anika_630]

Archer hating Shirou is the literal version of someone hating themself

[@ethanlowe3817]

Man Archers words hit deep

[@xehayukimura7409]

And ppl say anime is for kids , anime has more wise characters than irl or live action movies ever

[@cherryscarlett]

Archer: *Nothing ever comes of helping others* Shiro (after saving the world & proving Archer wrong): *That illusion was your ideal, and as you said, ideals are only lies*

[@okita_souji_alter]

Big facts

[@r.k845]

Yeah but shirou never saves the world? In fact he acknowledged that archer had a point but felt as though there was still something worthwhile in chasing after it.

[@okita_souji_alter]

@@r.k845 well we don't know if post ubw ends up saving the world but we know he doesn't become archer because nasu said so. And technically he did since gilgamesh was gonna corrupt the entire world with the grail mud

[@r.k845]

@@okita_souji_alter good point

[@cherryscarlett]

@@r.k845 his final command seal used on Saber: *Destroy the Impure Holy Grail* that was corrupted by Angra Mainyu to corrupt every wish. No more Unholy Grail Wars? No more wars, chaos and devastation from fighting a pointless battle. _Confirmed: Hero Saves Day_

[@hcook1023]

If you haven't watched it Fate Babylonia is very good. There are several good things you could use including a very good speech from gilgamesh and his backstory at the end

[@shirotakashi3870]

Puts the whole hero ideal into perspective. If you strive to save everyone, yet lack the power to ACTUALLY save EVERYONE, then what happens to those who you can't save? What happens to those who desperately wished to be saved, yet you could not reach them. Even if you are the most powerful being alive, you're only one person. And that will never be enough to save everyone.

[@Yusa_Beach]

I'd rather live with the guilt with not being able to save them when I wanted to, rather than not have it at all. You may not save everyone, but the main intention and the importance of it is that at least you tried. There could have been others who never even thought about trying.

[@anxiousearth680]

Not necessarily. Everything Archer says to Shirou is based on his keen knowledge of the flaws of that version of himself. So the reason Archer derides the concept of ideals, fighting for a cause and helping others, is because he, and eventually Shirou, took it too far. Shirou Emiya is a person who is selfless to a literal fault. He doesn't know his limits. He brings suffering to himself with what he's willing sacrifice to help people. Until finally he sells his soul to eternal service. And yet, the only person he blames and seeks vengeance against is himself. In short, it's not a commentary about the world, but himself specifically. Because he only says that to himself. And only he would go so far and ruin himself.

[@RenanL.S.]

Archer: *says something. Emiya: Ahahg Archer: *says something more Emiya: ohagh Archer: "speaks again Emiya: Ahhahg

[@redarrow2036]

Being influenced by the Fate series and recent spite against some people in my life, I’ve made at peace that I can’t please nor save everyone. I can at least help many but I can’t help everyone…. Thus why I can be seen as a bad person to some but a great person to others

[@senorkaktusz5940]

The music in the background is such a masterpiece! Could anybody share the title with me?

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

I would if I knew, you will probably find on the Original Soundtrack List from the anime.

[@kenshinmikami8978]

first part is a soundtrack from unlimited blades work anime tv show called "unacceptable".the last seconds are the first parts of unlimited blades work ending called "kalafina".

[@princezach]

7. U. Y. 7 you 7y 7y. 7y y7 7 Yvonne . 77. V 7. 7v. 7 77

[@princezach]

@@kenshinmikami8978 77. V uhh 77vy y 7y

[@williammalone293]

@@kenshinmikami8978 god thank You for this I needed these songs in my life

[@esperecelegir4068]

Wow you actually reply to every single comment!! Respect 100

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

I try too, it doesn't take much, I get to learn some new characters and peoples opinions. Thx btw

[@dominichurst2850]

Iskandar in fate zero and Emiya archer in UBW would have one hell of a conversation

[@deltafx9462]

Archer would never are for Iskander’s Heroics. If anyone is going to have a hell of a convo it would be Kirei and Archer, or Shirou Emiya and Shiki Tohno.

[@okita_souji_alter]

Imagine telling your entire story in a one minute conversation jesus christ archer

[@Etch..]

And all that without even revealing his true identity... well damn Archer

[@carbon6390]

Inspiring hope is never meaningless. The reason why I fight is to change a negative into a positive.

[@reymarzongalletesbautista6941]

Salvation is just absence of damnation. Without damnation, there is salvation...

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

I read your other messages it sounds theological somehow tbh.

[@jowltrades]

Without goodness there is no evil because evil is just the product of free will the absence of goodness

[@Malign_Amara]

I'd disagree. Without damnation, there is no salvation. Salvation is the rescue from damnation. It can only work one way. Damnation is the result of the lack of salvation, or the consequences of your own actions.

[@jowltrades]

Logan Oetting you legit just said what he said 😭

[@kucapalot931]

Logan Oetting I get what you mean by your wording but that is essentially what the initial comment said

[@aryanrawat9995]

I never thought that he can be good at speech..........good one......

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Yeah right, it's kind negative what he says thou but I found it to a interesting perspective.

[@TsKnight]

Archer has so many other dialogues like this tho. This is great, but some characters just have a lot of things to say lol. These videos are great. Very glad they were recommended.

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Thx

[@TsKnight]

@@WordsBeyondFiction I wrote that without seeing later Itachi vids. I watched all the anime ones last night. My vote is do more Archer ones lol. Your vids are great. Seriously, keep up the great work!

[@smuglookinganimegirl3558]

"Salvation isnt in one person's hand but the people. Save 1 or 2 but not all and when those whom you've saved remember your action they too will take upon your lead and save others. humanity is built upon the people and their desire one person can change everything but that doesnt mean he did it alone."

[@apughanti1464]

" This world of hatred and desire gives rise to lies and revenge..... Which totally ends the faith and believe in humanity and people..... This world is a hell where neither can understand but when understood neither can be executed efficiently sometimes... Hence self believe system is the best....

[@harshavardhanvenkatasaikot6861]

there are so many quotes from my teen romantic comedy(about loniness,life,friends)

[@theginosy6902]

God damn this hits me where I live

[@oneeyed7905]

"Wake up to reality! Nothing ever goes as planned in this accursed world. The longer you live, the more you realize that the only things that truly exist in this reality are merely pain. suffering and futility. Listen, everywhere you look in this world, wherever there is light, there will always be shadows to be found as well. As long as there is a concept of victors, the vanquished will also exist. The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace, initiates war. and hatred is born in order to protect love. There are nexuses causal relationships that cannot be separated"

[@thomaschaumeil3878]

"I want to sever the fate of this world. A world of only Victors. A world of only Peace. A world of only Love. I will create such a World. I am... the Ghost of the Uchiha. For truly this reality... is a Hell."

[@GenoKiller7]

i still often think about archer and shiro

[@pivthagreat]

Lowkey waiting for a gilgamesh one

[@kursatkaya8158]

The thing Archer speak about, is the biggest mistake I've done last season (And in my highschool life.). But thanks to the characters and people lke him, I've managed to save me again and took my lesson.

[@kaibaboy3374]

Archer says something Emiya: *NUTBUST SOUND*

[@KeviesMusic]

Mannn. Now I can’t Unhear it lololol

[@clemens8621]

that words are from fate/stay night season 1 episode 11

[@jagatheeshwaran733]

This speech is proved by throughout the entire history

[@bcfb21]

Iskandar from fate/zero has some really good lines too.

[@pa1n]

More from Naruto please xd (Naruto vs Neji in chunnin exams, they talk a lot about destiny and fate, also words from gaara when he was visiting rock lee in hospital).

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

I watched naruto alot I will do it eventually, not back to back thou I wanna do gaara next hmm...

[@pa1n]

@@WordsBeyondFiction yess one of my favorite character

[@kingkai8025]

Words Beyond Fiction could you do when the nine tails is convincing naruto to open the seal during the pain invasion arc

[@romal-7895]

I can see the glowing & bright future of this channel :-) All the best👍

[@verdenaihl]

I used to want to be the childish emiya, I doubt archers words, guess wt now, I jsut realise in a hard way he is right... his words r beyond fiction. never fight for an ideal, an ideal is innocent, but wt truly matters is ur heart, not ur mind that goes crazy abt being high up there and thinks u can save everyone else.. ur heart is precious and u only have one. limited and precious.

[@tannerrockwell596]

Saddest part is he isnt wrong

[@sauravshekhar2855]

Great channel honestly I started out of curiosity and it turned out to be awesome😍😍😍

[@darklink-ih3hc]

What archer said can be true for those who dont have the power to back their ideals but the opposite can be said about having all that power with none of the ideals its empty its void if you have nothing to fuel the want or need to use your power that truly means nothing its like handing a child 100 usd what are they gonna spend it on they arent gonna know nor will they spend it in a meaningful way

[@darklink-ih3hc]

"Ideals without power are a joke, and power without ideals is just empty." -Rimuru Tempest

[@zamazenta1728]

Really an impressive channel please keep them coming....

[@deadx0092]

Hendrickson!! I knew ive heard that voice before

[@TsKnight]

Archer is easily cooler tho.

[@Yuyukobeat]

Transcribed the speech for personal use, feel free to use it. "I fight for myself alone, there's no other reason to fight. If your main desire is to never hurt anyone then by all means do as you wish, it's up to you... But be careful! Be certain that it's your wish, and not anyone else's. Know that if you fight of your own free will, any resulting sins and punishments will be of your own making. Bearing it comes with that decision. However, if that desire was borrowed from another person, the ideals you claim are nothing more than fantasy. There must be a reason for fighting, but that reason must never be an ideal. If you fight for ideals, then you will only be able to save ideals. That's all... You won't be able to save anyone. A desire to save something or someone stand out as a reason to fight, or at least it does for you... right Emiya? Salvation at the hand of another is never true. Such salvation is like currency, when used it passes on to another. It's indeed true that your wish to save others can probably be achieved. But in doing so, you must give up all hope of saving yourself, you shall cling to ideals not your own, and you will pursue them until it destroys you in the end. And that is why these ideals you hold so dear, are meaningless. Nothing ever comes of helping others, because in the end, you can save neither others, nor yourself. That life is an illusion."

[@juicerui]

he and Griffith would foil each other perfectly in terms of their overall philosophy

[@jeremylister704]

You should also post the king’s banquet speech and Kiritsugi’s speech to saber as well

[@NghiaLe-so1kr]

Kamijou Touma : you guys need a reason to save others ?

[@mahadabdirahman9660]

One of my favourite Characters

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Archer: Saving others is an illusion. Me: Only if you do nothing.

[@44_bulldogT]

You can do something and still not save anyone

[@riiddisbuk2496]

@@44_bulldogT Only if the situation is out of your control. Consider trying *Spec Ops: The Line* since you and have these opinions.

[@ricwalker6600]

you missunderstood Archer. Saving others because you whole heartedly want to is no illusion. But saving someone because someone else told you to do so because its the right thing to do is. And such half hearted attempts to save someone always ends in either failure or own suffering. Because in our wretched world those saved are often ungrateful. Its that moment you notice the diffrence if you helped out of a meaningless ideal or out of your heart. if its done out of an ideal ungratefulness will hurt. You will question your believes and realize that it was an illusion to think saveing that one was a good thing. But if you saved someone because in your heart it felt right, than it doesnt matter to you, if the saved one is ungrateful. All that matterd to you is that you saved someone.

[@44_bulldogT]

@@ricwalker6600 well said.

[@27Bayleefs]

@@44_bulldogT Even so I still believe trying to help people has value in and of itself.

[@aishi_rei]

Say these words of every anime Main characters. Thinking about it, I really do remember somebody I cared,helped,trusted in along time ago. No wonder I sensed their fakedness after I encountered them. This world is indeed suspicious including self proclaimed “normal” people. I will not claim that title “normal”. I only wanted genuine identity. No one understands me so I will betray them forcefully. I don’t care that someone corrected me. They’re nothing but bugs whose corrupted my life.

[@bcfb21]

This is my favorite anime. Maybe my favorite show.

[@sahidlaskar4651]

Which anime?

[@bcfb21]

@@sahidlaskar4651 Fate/Stay night UBW

[@fatemadman9688]

@@bcfb21 Nice

[@krishnasingh2005]

It is not that emiya has become cruel it just that he had seen reality he had live in the reality he had tried to save others he had simply live life he is not a teenager he had seen reality of the world how saving one means not saving others let take an example according to what shirou ideal is he had to save everyone for example a man is raping a girl that means that shirou not only have to save the girl but he has to save the man as well if he saves the man then that means girl has to be raped and if he saves the girl then the man has to be arrested or killed that means no matter how hard you try you can never save everyone and emiya has seen this reality even if shirou claims that he will never regret what he will done but he has to take responsibility for his action he is nothing but a highschool student right now that why he believes in fantasy just when he will go out into the the world he will realise how much emiya was right in my opinion both of them are broken but archer is more realistic and shirou is more deliousnal but in the end anime itself is wishfullfilment story so what can I say in the end archer will always be my faviourate character

[@mystro7216]

Kenshin Himura also kinda needs to hear these words

[@Namelessavenger237]

Can you do more of these with the fate series I love them very much

[@NemesisZ3r0]

Hearing this from his future self bro u better listen

[@r.k845]

Archer is wrong here though.

[@seng1201]

Look at me I'm hold a sword and a shield Queen: nonsense Knight you're being too much for me to handle and that's it my duty is done. What's I'm saying is when it's done and it's gone

[@mccreamch8212]

Great Stuff! The anime bleach got some good too.

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Yes, I though of it couple times before gotta get one down.

[@djkeychain978]

Dreams sought after by children are vastly different than the reality that adults trudge through. Being saved by another might be a dream we wish to have one day, but if we cling to said dream and become drunk on it, we will no longer be able to wake up in time to save ourselves from the fangs of our own dreams and ideals

[@shadowmusic1054]

Love the meaning in your videos

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

cheers

[@אביחיעקיבהדאביס]

I see what the writer was trying to convey, but they highly contradicted the character's words here a few times. An ideal is a perfected concept. So if one fights for a perfected concept, he or she can only ever save a perfected concept? This wouldnt work. Even the character says he fights for himself in the beginning. That would also be an ideal to tho who regard it as such and he's not the only one to believe in such an ideal. So who is truly pursuing something meaningless now.... Moreover if one takes an ideal and embeds that to him or herself, it now becomes a part of them as theirs and not just someone elses. Finally an illusion misleads reality. In the end everyone dies and no one lives forever. Saving others as well as yourself as long as one lives or even can is a part of reality. Past present and future. Not an illusion unless one believes its for eternity.

[@visualbliss9993]

I don't know alot about Fate but I do know archer is speaking to his younger self... I just thought he (older emiya) didn't want shirou to become like him

[@r.k845]

You're saying this without the context it's being said in.

[@anxiousearth680]

If one fights for an ideal, one can only save ideals. The implication is that ideals are not necessarily grounded in reality. That sometimes such an ideal will never produce a favourable result no matter how much effort is poured because the ideal is practically unsound. So pursuing it still, only preserves a false belief without achieving a favourable result.

[@r.k845]

@@anxiousearth680 He's saying an ideal of saving everyone only exists to protect the idea because the reality isn't possible.

[@anxiousearth680]

@@r.k845 That's what I said

[@tohuiii]

Emiya: *"Ugh"*

[@allstateguy8166]

Damn.. this dude Spittin

[@marcussimmons9452]

Maybe it was because I never watched any other Fate anime, but I did NOT see the twist in this anime. It was pretty cool.

[@FreddieBlount-wv6hu]

All soldiers need to be told this before joining it's a good perspective

[@nicholascaldwell1187]

I love this speech it's inspiring

[@r.k845]

I don't think it's inspiring. Kinda cynical if anything.

[@nicholascaldwell1187]

@@r.k845 true that is true

[@IXViRuSXI]

Should make some more videos about other fate anime quotes, like Saber talking to kiritsugu about using evil to stop evil. Or vice versa kiritsugu talking to Saber about a battle field being hell itself. Was good stuff

[@sameelshamnad6142]

Archers sub voice is greater. But I admit this is good

[@Dygranto_Slayzz]

Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right. :-Emiya

[@Peoplearefood]

Good vid broski

[@troyvillanueva7443]

This is the same guy who voiced owain from fire emblem awakening and fates I m really surprised too imagine him saying that speech to his uncle or corrin

[@JovanoGamer]

Damn thats the real ideals bro

[@dragosmicu8567]

What quality does the dub version of this anime has? Only dub anime I watched was AoT Naruto and Bleach. And the voice of the character from this video is amazing. And your channel is a gold mine. I searched and searched of this kind of anime quotes but found just dumb robots talking or just words appearing on screen. You're a salvation :). I listen and re listen all this videos. Thanks for making this.

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Thank you dragos, It's actually an animated movie trilogy, I didn't watch it completely and it was in japanese. So I'm not sure if I can give a good opnion about it.

[@dragosmicu8567]

@@WordsBeyondFiction Thanks anyway. Finished all your videos lol. Can't wait for the next!!

[@anxiousearth680]

@@WordsBeyondFiction It's not a movie trilogy. UBW by Ufotable is an anime series. You might be thinking of Heaven's Feel but that's not where the quote is from.

[@cheapskateotaku7123]

Archer: You must never fight for ideals, because if you fight for ideals, you will only save ideals. Deku: I will be the world greatest HERO!!!

[@adamtaurusragnathebloodedg8407]

Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

[@jaimehuizar6727]

Honestly I wonder how canon Archer would react to izukus ideals

[@dr.doctor4878]

@@jaimehuizar6727 Probably silently annoyed yet respect him Also his dislike for Izuku will be less because he still has a sense of self unlike Shirou

[@jaimehuizar6727]

@@dr.doctor4878 true and im pretty shure izuku knows not everyone can be saved. this now makes me think how would izuku react to cannon archers life and what has become of him.

[@kyleroman2744]

I think that's not an ideals but a dream and Izuko's ideal is become like All Might, the Symbol of Peace(a figurehead), it's still possible, while Shirou's ideal is to become a Hero of Justice, to save everyone, buts that impossible.

[@jprince4927]

Archer is the littest heroic spirit of all time. His voice sounds so epic. Gilgamesh trash compare to him

[@acnologi1115]

well obviously this version the other one cares more for humanity's progress because he believes in their ability to push way beyond

[@ifowl]

When Satoru Gojo decides to get philosophical

[@iamralf753]

He have the same voice actor of eng jellal from fairy tail

[@wm3784]

If you really listen to this and pains speech you see life for what it really is. I'm not going to lie I like this one better not because I agree completely but I see the razor edge it's possible but damn near impossible if done wrong

[@tdavid8357]

Perfect!

[@hey.3249]

This what I needed to know along time ago.

[@yaaowusu3261]

Love the speech about unlimited blades work

[@Ubermensch9240]

Oh my God I feel like I'm in an elementary level philosophy class!

[@deltafx9462]

Ikr. It reminds me a lot about my Knowledge, Perception and Causality class from the philosophy department.

[@Floofrer]

Because I can't graduated because I was starting to be very reliant on my peers in my previous college. I enrolled to another another college and finished my ME for 5 years and most of my friends back there are still in their 6th or 7th years now.

[@dzernys9555]

Could you do a Goku Black words? I feel it wouldn't be so hard, he's got a lot of good quotes

[@WordsBeyondFiction]

Other people already asked about, I will check it later thx