Kite vs Moth vs 49er

[@pridgway]

nice work guys - this is the sort of thing one wonders about from time to time - fantastic how the kite has progressed.

[@rsrocket1]

Great race! That's what it's all about, the competition, the fun and the good times talking about it afterwards. Thanks for the vid.

[@prayforwindkat]

Nice work! Great editing, great interview. Hope ISAF hears you about the Olympics. This is a vision of the future of sailing and were our generation is going to take this sport.

[@Andomaca1]

At the end of the day all 3 were winners because they all get to play with awesome toys!!!

[@thankfullman]

Very cool race! I'm an ex Pro Sailor on big boats, hanglider pilot, sailplane pilot, waiting to get into paraglind, but right now hot for kites! I think any comparison like this is always an eye opener. I look forward to seeing many different types of sailcraft having these type of races. My current wish list would be a moth foil, a great kite and board, a paraglider powered and 40 acres overlooking the ocean! I'm 54, and I STILL love risky, gooofy, exciting FUN! Santa, i'm waiting......

[@79PatrickG]

Awesome vid. I love it when different classes race.

[@rportersordo]

Great video to promote sailing (in all various forms) in Biscayne Bay (Miami, FL)... Thanks for promoting sailing/windsurfing/kiting/yachting. Wish there were much more ways to reach the masses that consider sailing "boring, elitist and old fashioned". Sailing is an exciting, challenging and 100% eco-friendly global sport. Congratulations amigos!

[@willbroadway]

This is simply the best thing ever shot on camera

[@waroolutak]

Awesome boys, had a smile on my face all the way through.... Man, kiting just rules... but that moth looks a right crack mind you, bet that is pretty sweetly smooth.. Nice one Thanks

[@TeamfletcherandsignCoUk]

Great conditions for the moth, pretty interesting results with the kite. We are always faster than an RSX around a course and by quite a lot most of the time. The kites are only just a bit faster than an RSX in some conditions. Would be interesting in 18 knots, anyway sweet vid

[@jb92563]

This was an awesome video. The Moths are very interesting and I'd love to try one someday but I'll be taking up Kite-boarding this year. Can't beat the convenience of kiting as you can drive to a suitable beach when the wind blows and be on the water in under 10 minutes. Very convenient. The cost is but a fraction of the other boats and after seeing what can be done with a kite at the next Olympics it will kick the already fastest growing water/wind sport into overdrive. As a Hobie16 sailer I have seen kites zipping by now and then and they just look like incredible fun and are certainly fast.

[@dksurfer]

Very nice... all winners for sure, but how about a new/updated challenge using a foil kiteboard?

[@porgiesplays6655]

kite would win 100 percent of the time

[@whereserik]

very fun, guys! Thanks for taking the time to share it

[@SpecialisedWelding]

Now you need a hydrofoil kite board, that has to be next.

[@jungtarcph]

I think he kite has an unfair advantage as the wind blows faster 60 feet above sea. Cool video but try in 15 knots of wind so everyone has full potential to go fast!!

[@porgiesplays6655]

Thats about 15 knots btw 15 knots is more like chill conditions where when you get into the 20 knot zone it becomes way more intense

[@PatrickSavalle]

Man, I used to do some Nacra catamaran sailing, but this little Moth hydrofoil looks like the next level! I would love to try it someday. Awesome video! Very jealous.

[@gpage1233]

@8wealthyone8 ISAF are considering it for 2016.. ISAF are saying this: Board or kite-board for men and women - equipment evaluation, Two person dinghy (skiff) women - equipment evaluation (probably 29erXX), Two person mixed multihull - equipment evaluation (probably Tornado). Hope this helps

[@TheMonkini]

would love to see the same but the kite on a hydrofoil. It would even go faster and smoother....

[@Silentist96]

Fantastic video

[@GodStink]

Great stuff thanks! Next time, please include one of those kite boards with the hydrofoil foot :D

[@polygamous1]

skill n guts at its best well done you guys keep safe many thanks n keep posting

[@dnomyarnostaw]

I would love to see the Google plots, to see what the angle to the mark was between Kit and Sail. Tactics, boat size and weight, windspeed are all critical of course, but the angle to the wind on a beat is particularly interesting to me.

[@IanSchillebeeckx]

nice footage and editing! great video over all!

[@maxencelelievre9936]

belle video avec de bons points de vues!!!

[@joeblow1942]

I'm not surprised at the results. It would have been interesting to include a windsurfer, and a small cat and tri in the race too.

[@1phenoix1]

awesome, but next time, you need to get a formula windsurfer in there :D

[@occupybarrels]

"When you went below me, I was thinkin oh yes! I'm gonna take his air! Then I'm like Oh shit...he's in a kite."

[@NealeinMI]

Wow! Moths have come along way from my 1970s Red Wing Scow.

[@chapmana22]

Please don't tell me i'm the only one spinning my head around while watching that Kite Cam... :D

[@blahblahblack]

It would be interesting to see similar events in different wind and wave conditions. Particularly like to see whether the moth or the kite was worse affected by a bit of chop.

[@4444sailing]

Im lucky enough to have all three... Moth takes president regardless of the weather, so so so much fun to sail. Would be good to run this again in a heavy breeze with some short chop thrown in... Although, the only thing that sticks out is everyone would be over power apart from the kite as they would change down... Would be carnage! ;)

[@ardvarkkkkk1]

There has been many races between windsurfers and kite boarders. The wind surfers can't keep up. The Columbia gorge race, previously dominated by windsurfers, was won five years running by a guy on water skis using a kite.

[@callumwyper]

A modern moth would crush that kite

[@alex15449]

U forget that moths have been around since the 1960's and yes their still developing, but kitesurfing has only existed for the past 20 years and is the fastest growing watersport. Their are noticeable and dramatic improvements in kite models on a yearly basis.

[@noleafclover69]

"oh shit, he's got a kite" hahaha Great example of where this sport is at and where it's headed!

[@midvale5thyear]

Really awesome video. I wonder if you put an Aussie 18 skiff in there, would it have made much difference. Probably not but would have been cool to see. I WANT A MOTH NOW!

[@captsuz]

GREAT CHALLENGE....nice videography!! I think if the moth could carry as much sail area as a kite....he would surpass the kite! Get that 49er outta there, doesn't belong in the race. Windsurfer should be there and a trifoiler should be in the mix!! Then there would be a for 'real' race!

[@ducksquad3765]

I never saw the 49:er use its gennacker. : (

[@porgiesplays6655]

spinnaker?

[@crest2471]

@@porgiesplays6655 If I'm not mistaken the 49er has a gennaker, not a spinnaker

[@MrEshy]

still rather the 49er but moth gave the kite boys a run for there money GREAT VIDEO guys

[@Rvdl89]

Awesome! But what happens when the wind drops, and who wins when you get above 20 knots of wind?

[@alexolsen8054]

Remember that the moth is getting better and better each year, and Im quite sure that sometime soon its gonna overpower even the kites. Just because it actually is the one of the classes which still is progressing in technology

[@tntsailing2671]

stick an 18ft skiff in the mix!

[@chrisclarke2705]

Does'nt matter what you sail, that's an awesome video.

[@BrettWae]

All great sailing craft, sailing a very entertaining race. So much so I forgot to check the BBQ...

[@All4Grogg]

nicely done video, seeing a kite actually point well to windward is pretty impressive. Just as a note, the International Moth is a development box rule class and they are restricted to maximum sail area of a mere 8ish square meters (?) i think. By rating alone an international Moth is about even with an A-Cat and barely behind 18' cats. A formula windsurfer might well have been a different story on this course, next video, Moth - formula windsurfer - IKA rules kiteboard - RSX? please?

[@MoonGeese]

It would be interesting too see if there would be the same results/differences in heavy wind.

[@marbocars]

very nice vid. well done.

[@steveburkey]

Great video!! great racing!! Where/when did this happen? No windsurfers around?

[@SloanZurnToto]

If the kiteboard was a foil type he would have smoked even more. Foil kite is the fastest.

[@shining359]

awesome!! i would like to see windsurf formula vs kite vs moth vs 49er in a real regatta...

[@CalleHennix]

Cool vid. How about invite a Multihull (Nacra 20, Tornado) to the nex rumble?

[@justinchwoo]

Pitch a C-Class Catamaran into the mix! It might be able to challenge a kite...

[@infinitycrops]

Wow - that looks like a lot of fun. So who ended up buying everybody the drinks afterwards? Third?

[@marinm108]

Kitesurfers also went over 100 km7h in Namibia, max 2 sec was astonishing 111 km/h

[@sassyblondel]

That was interesting.

[@SportSoulLife]

kite isnt holding the world record anymore ;) Vestas sailrocket 2 did over 60 knots recently ;)

[@smsailfast]

What happened to the other kiters? I guess it is really close between the kite & Moth. Brad is a top racer (I raced Lasers against him) so I am not surprised that he won when the kiters made mistakes. I met Garry this past weekend and he seemed to have his course board going really well. My guess is that it takes a top racer to have the edge.

[@kasuomiyake]

now you need to put the kite and one of the top 10 formula windsurfers. It will be interesting

[@alex15449]

the fact kitesurfers hold the fastest wind powered speed on water says it all, the only thing moths and regular sail boats can beat them on is their upwind capability

[@PatrickRynne]

oh sorry, that's the initial music. The quote is from the movie "Any Given Sunday"....@fizzlemanizzleable

[@polok890]

talented moth racer to keep it on the hydrofoils for that long

[@twojaythomo]

Cool vid

[@stradplayer90]

kites are just so damn powerful with such low weight and minimal wetted surface area nothing wind powered can keep up.

[@hamstratmailru]

nice sound. The Mars Volta - Inertiatic ESP In Search Of - Miike Snow i love it

[@anthonymurray2085]

I think this has to be tried again but in different conditions. maybe a little series will show who is the best. Never seen sailing in all forms taken to such a competitive edge. the moth has the tacking but the kite can hit the windward triangle harder. Love every second but as a sailor I am routing for the moth

[@alex15449]

Kite for the win! God, I want a Cabrinha now! what cabrinha model was it by the way?

[@janchrzciciel]

This should be set up so that the niner could use it's kite as much as possible - it'd make it a bit fairer imo.

[@michaeltanner2666]

Add the flying phantom cat... That would be ineresting

[@metr0labs]

Moth is such a smooth ride.

[@TigRdk]

how is the sail/kite area and statistical surface area of the moth and kitesurfer? is there an explanation here as to what makes the kite faster?

[@nickopedia5669]

The kite has more surface area than the moth(you can see it in the side shot at 7:13 ), and a lot less weight with no mast, a 20-30 lb (10-15 kg) board instead of a boathull, etc. It does have more wetted area and more wavemaking energy losses, but it also has access to faster wind up high (wind at the surface is slowed down by having to interact with the uneven wavey surface)

[@samkempson6614]

The Mars Volta rock it. Video is pretty cool to.

[@christ3039]

damn that is a good moth sailor

[@todmills]

Now try it when there is only a couple knots of wind and see who wins.....and can the kite sailor re-start himself if the kite dumps into the water? Cool video, although every now and then I darn near got seasick!

[@LucaManunta]

tod mills The wings of kites can go from very large to very small to cover all wind conditions. Once the wing took off, it reaches 20-30 mts of height, where you always find stronger and more stable wind speeds (=less friction with land or water surface). Moreover manoeuvring a kite (in figures of 8 or sin waves) creates apparent wind. Kites are self-producing-wind machines. The difference would increase in lower wind. On the contrary, I believe the skiff was at disadvantage due to weak wind conditions. With stronger wind and big waves, both moth and kites would start suffering and the race would be closer.

[@12comrades]

camera in kite awesome idea.

[@jackchadwick2370]

they should have taken the 49er out and put an 18 foot skiff in and a A.class that would be the ultimate race still a epic vid! :D

[@jakepeverada6096]

It'd be a real sight to see this alongside and ice track with an ice flier... who can harness the most wind and have the least friction. My money'd be on the ice *first man made craft to hit 100+ speeds w/o engine*

[@UnkleSi]

Moth looked like it was a little underpowered. As for the 49er, forget it unless you stick it on foils!

[@seasapolio]

Nice video, who plays that song?

[@RageInbound]

Moths are some of the fastest sailboats for their size

[@SeF001]

Besides a slightly bigger cat on foils, what would even come close to a moth?

[@sprintosailor2663]

49ers are so fast but its incredible how it was just left behind by the other two!!!

[@trackie1957]

Forgone conclusion. Kite has about the same sail area, a tiny fraction of weight and wetted surface, plus an effective “mast height” of 60 feet! Of course it has potential to be faster. Then again, the issue is pointless because they are intended to be raced against equal opponents, so regardless of which you sail, it’s going to be a blast!

[@JustInvertedFpv]

So who's gonna take the rig off the moth and hop on with a kite. Might have to have 2 on board so 1 can steer. You should give it a shot! Video it, the wipeouts would be great.

[@kwittnebel]

Put the board on an 8sqm kite and see who comes out on top. Damo looks to be using 13sqm or more here - 1.5 to 2x what the Moth has up for a sail. It is pretty remarkable that the Moth is even in the ballpark given the difference. Moth is tremendously more efficient.

[@NigelLoller]

That Moth is amazing

[@phoebegd]

lol i really enjoyed this video

[@cjprimata]

The wire will be king offshore too soon, new development for transatlantic kite record?

[@scottishrab1]

need a formula in there for those windward leewards

[@skurfadude]

would the kiter go faster with a hydrofoil board?

[@clanbakers3798]

awsome

[@gliderfs621]

What's the sound of the beginning (0:00 to 0:50) ?

[@12345freeride]

This is a absolutely senseless competition because the moth and 49er is using a definite sail limited by their class . The kite can use unlimited sail as large as 22 m . What will be the result if the moth and 49 er use a custom made larger sail ?

[@Gallosha1]

Дык не дует нифига, давайте так чтобы дуло и волна, кайт загнется :) Все крутые.!

[@asaied100]

where is the location ? December wind awesome

[@Theef3kw]

''when you went below me, i was like oh yeah im gonna take you there,then i was oh shite hes in a kite '' respect to the 49er,they didnt really have a chance in those wind,slot in an 18 foot skiff instead and things could of been differant.

[@himself86]

that was with ~5 m/s. try stronger wind conditions so that the kite would take off :D

[@mattmcraeconverttoshared2414]

Why no sailboard? It seems they would be competitive here.

[@dudistpriest4629]

just gonna put it out there a windsurfer would do pretty well in that, maybe even win

[@bombat1994]

throwing in an 18 footer would make it intresting

[@AxDCjr]

grazie grazie grazie!!!

[@macrumpton]

If the water was a little rougher the moth would have swept the races. Boards slow down fast in a chop and hydrofoils just fly above it.