Intel Core Ultra 200S Saga: 3 Months of Fixes Benchmarked!

[@KitGuruTech]

Please report spam as soon as you see it, helps us to get it removed. Ongoing issue at KZbin. Also let us know what you think of the Intel Core 200S processors - are you a fan? have you bought one ? Would be interested to hear your specs and experiences so far if you have.

[@lolerie]

I bought it right before the announcement of fixes... Did know it supports CU-DIMM and soon MR-DIMM with 12000 MT/s.

[@darren253]

I wonder when Intel will release Entry Level motherboards and cheaper Processors?

[@lexindigital]

Are there any temperature figures to glance at for these Core Ultra processors at single and multi core loads, vs competition? I assume higher power draw would mean higher temps, but would be interesting to see if there are any real improvements. One of the main reasons I stopped upgrading is because all new processors require a heatsink the size of which could be found in Superposition.

[@lolerie]

@ Thermalright Evo can remove 238 W of heat from the CPU, more than enough. Nope, power draw is not the same as temprature, AMD is inferiour here as its SOC crystall is much smaller and harder to cool.

[@SocratesWasRight]

They look promising on power use. I miss monolithic low latency dies though. Unfortunately reviews have not given them the credit they deserve so we are seeing them less and less. Anyhow, at the moment I am not super excited on any of current CPUs from AMD nor Intel. I'd probably use tuned 14900k/14700k now if I were to upgrade. (EDIT: on 5950x currently)

[@macktheinterloper]

I only watched this because I could listen to Leo narrate a phone book.

[@johnerikson2443]

Me too 😂

[@dreschaffhausen5693]

😂 could imagine him getting really annoyed at some of the silly names in the phone book.

[@festerleech4952]

His English is so well pronounced. Love it

[@bofast]

Now I'm curious as to how he would go about benchmarking a phone book

[@DavidLeBon-qq9vr]

He has a great voice.

[@JYMBO]

FINALLY been waiting for this video from literally anyone lol nobody seems bothered enough to re-test

[@davidestabrook5367]

Thanks for publishing your results and for all your hard work testing these CPU's.

[@KitGuruTech]

No problem 👍

[@4thofjuly-fk4oq]

I am positive LEO is 100% right, they are mobile processors at heart and thats what a lot of the issues were initially.

[@Simplyswish-xx6wr]

Was my first though when I saw the balanced profile had such a high impact on them around launch time- its how mobile chips have always been accessed. Was such a sloppy launch, would forgive em if they were a start up, but they are industry 'veterans'. insanely bad few years for the company and shocking bad leadership too

[@JonathanPilson-mu3rg]

Makes sense to me. The windows profiling system knew what they were and applied the power saving algorithm. Very telling.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

Apply that backwards to all e-core skus, the 900K were just pushed so hard that the e-cores were just bonus productivity performance rather than a hinderance.

[@pixelrefresh348]

Makes sense if its going to be a power saving variant start with the mobile version and turn it into a desktop version...

[@dreschaffhausen5693]

@@Simplyswish-xx6wr Guessing they have had a lot of staff turnover in the last 5 years or so. The veterans have gone off and retired and the replacements dont know what they are doing.

[@jeremiahtech3971]

That was a long video, but loads of good information crammed in it, thanks for the hard work

[@testtest8399]

So in the end they are now not strictly bad, just terribly priced. Intel forgot to read the memo that when you are behind you need to compete on price...

[@KitGuruTech]

That would certainly help their cause Leo

[@HoldinContempt]

biggest problem with intel is their Stupid big/little design. Operating Systems and programs HATE IT when the threads they schedule tasks on have wildly different performance levels. Either you do all Pcores or all Ecores on a CPU. You never mix and match them. Also the memory I/O chiplet intel has is better than AMD's but only when carefully tuned. Intel needs to either put the I/O on the CPU tile and accept the large die size for it or they need to do a better job of dialing in the fabric clocks, voltages and sub/timings of their SKU's to reduce latency in future designs. AMD is already fixing their Memory I/O chiplet design with the next gen Zen6. The new I/O is not only on a smaller TSMC node its also being rebuilt to be 3X larger than a 12core CCD chiplet which is massive. This new I/O chiplet is likely built to reduce latency and support much higher speed CUDIMM memory modules at 9000-1000mhz with tighter timings for gear 1 and gear 2 which is the biggest bottleneck for AMD at this point. if they fix memory latency and boost CCD's to 12 cores making 12+24 core designs that will pretty much destroy Intel in the Desktop/laptop market for the next several generations.

[@Saurabh-z1z]

@@HoldinContempt big/little design comes from ARM and it is important where battery is more important than performance. Apple/qualcomm both uses it and qualcomm has more chances of destroying intel in laptop than AMD if they can port software.

[@nonaurbizniz7440]

I buy cpu like I buy gpu. When they go on deep discount. I got an 11900k z590 msi mobo and 64gb 3600 cl16 ram for $380 on a microcenter bundle. This will be much the same.

[@Wickedly_so]

@@testtest8399 Really depends where you are, i just built my PC with Ultra 7 265k, and MicroCenter had a deal 300$ CPU plus 70$ off motherboard, no AMD comes close to this

[@brandonupchurch7628]

Still don't see the point, the CPUs are more expensive than their Raptor Lake counter parts, the platform is more expensive, seems like you pretty much have to use high clocked CU-DIMMs which cost like $200 for a cheap 32GB kit, where you can find 32GB DDR5 7200 now for like $100. The way I see the Core Ultra, Intel pretty much botched their foray into chiplets and are playing catch-up to what AMD figured out years ago. I'm not fully an "Intel Bad" guy either, LGA1700 offers a pretty great value right now and I find AMD to be quite lacking in the price to multi-core performance space these days, the 14600k almost competes with the 7900 in terms of multi core performance , while costing in the range of a 7600X or 9600X.

[@Simplyswish-xx6wr]

you nailed it in one paragraph. If you are into high end gaming there is no incentive or logical reasoning to move from say a 14900k to anything newer.

[@def-po8tu]

@@Simplyswish-xx6wr I have a 14700k, using ddr5 6000 and honestly it's more them powerful for what I need. I was hopeful for the core ultra line but kind of find it disappointing

[@axlodl]

well unlike 13th-14th gens at least they are not 10nm 300watt overclocked defective silicons

[@brandonupchurch7628]

@ The 10nm silicon is just fine, the power consumption aspect isn't great if you leave the power limits unlocked, the 12th gen CPUs have no issues, the issues with 13/14th gen were due to transient voltage spikes from requesting excessive VID and motherboard manufacturers calibrating the loadline in a way that was excessive for single/dual core boosting behavior that causes excessive voltages to be ran through the CPU, these behaviors were corrected in BIS updates. There were a handful of truly defective 13th gen chips that came from a particular early batch at a particular fab but that's a very small sample and would not represent any currently purchasable chips.

[@RotaryJunkie]

Arrow Lake's one party trick is that you can outfit it with an absolute shitload of M.2 storage and not give up your x16 GPU slot. You technically wind up with less Gen 5 storage than AM5 (because AM5 can technically let you run 3 gen 5 M.2s where Arrow Lake only gets 1, albeit only via bifurcation of the x16 slot) but you don't have to give up anything to get 1 gen 5 and 3 gen 4 into Z890, where simply populating certain slots on AM5 sacrifices *something*... Though the exact what depends on the slot and the board.

[@georgelowrielowrie5428]

Looking forward to the full review vids! I'm currently a AMD fanboy but a competitive Intel is essential to keeping AMD honest and pumping out the good stuff!

[@chronyk743]

Yep, I was an early adopter of the first gen Ryzen in 2017 and still have the x370 mb with 5800x3D, and if this year or next plan to upgrade the whole system I'm kinda rooting for Intel to be with Amd on almost the same level of performance to be a balance cuz we will win as buyers. Some guy told me that Intel sucks and want to disappear from the market, what childish thinking. I hope Intel prolongs the socket longevity as AMD.

[@Ktmzqw]

@@georgelowrielowrie5428 how the tables have turned. 10 years this would be a joke.

[@damasterpiece08]

No corporation is honest. Intel kept us on 4c8t for years, amd keeps the r5 at 6 cores for years

[@geofftatesmate7748]

Intel always seem so corrupt though. Been a massive Intel fan since I was a kid but in recent years. Bad management. Failures. Scandal. It’s all just left such a sour taste

[@nicane-9966]

@@damasterpiece08 thanks to amd mainstream got 6 cores and now you could get 8 cores for 200 if you wait... 7700 was close to that. i still get what you say perhaps next gen ryzen 5 will get 8 coes...

[@BlaiseMiller14]

Interesting stuff - thanks Leo and KG

[@YildirimVeli-q5d]

Good point Leo on the fact you said you thought they were mobile chips, would make sense. that thebalanced profile was reducing the power to them to save 'battery life'

[@stennan]

Let's hope they get their act together and keep putting in effort in both CPU and GPU. We need to have several viable options to keep innovation ongoing and prices in check

[@daphoosa]

I like that every time Leo says "Arrow Lake" is sounds like "Error Lake"... Seems fitting.

[@KitGuruTech]

Entirely unintentional. Leo

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

You folks are really going above and beyond by staying atop the changes and doing your reviews well after the new CPU hype has died. Thanks for the journalism. :-)

[@grayson8414]

I used to watch hallock a lot when he was with AMD - reminds me of one of those life coach guys you see on cable

[@UnitedAlgorit-el4hy]

Leo, very good to see - thanks for the update on the platform as a whole, I was wondering what was going on

[@fracturedlife1393]

i haven't even noticed if they got price cut, you just dont see the listings very often.

[@stickyfingers9710]

you in UK or US?

[@1davejsutdave1]

@@fracturedlife1393 they Ultra 9 came down here in the us to $599

[@pixelrefresh348]

@@1davejsutdave1 What were they originally?

[@TheObiwantoby]

@@1davejsutdave1 265k with bundle at Microcenter is 229. Got one for Linux Proxmox host, 20 cores is value at $229 at this perf even if 8P + 12C.

[@dreschaffhausen5693]

They should cut the prices on these things to jump start the whole platform

[@dono42]

I am happy to see modest improvements in various categories. However, I am quite disappointed with the power consumption. I was under the impression that power consumption was a major goal for the Core Ultra series.

[@Barkebain]

Their performance per watt is vastly superior to the previous two Intel generations, it's just nowhere near AMD.

[@davidestabrook5367]

It's idle power draw that's most important to me, as that's what determines running costs.

[@el0j]

it's just the nature of new architectures. it needs time to mature. 2 3 more generations and it would be competitive again. if they can actually survive. if everyone is going amd im guessing it's game over for them

[@whohan779]

Just keep in mind that some of the ‘improvements’ also comes from stuff that was botched at launch and CU-DIMMs. The modules shown in the video are half the capacity of a low-clocked Zen5-compatible 2× 48 GB kit costs, while being ~145% the price. Or to put it differently: they are >2.6× the price of decently highly clocked 2× 16 GB DIMMs. It just doesn't make sense to go Core Ultra w/o CU-DIMMs and with them you'd need some specific workloads to get better performance than a 9950X (let alone 3D when that releases).

[@granttalbot7446]

hello my friend boy are we getting old I recall when we looked almost young . long time for you making videos , thank you for the time the years of help and tips

[@pinnacleren4389]

Thank you for this update to the Core Ultra series post "fixes"!

[@the12gaugeshotty]

Fortunately my 13700K is good enough that I won't need to worry about CPU upgrades for a while. Maybe 3-4 years from now Intel will have something worth upgrading to.

[@silvy7394]

52 cores /w 16 P cores nova lake 2026

[@lucasw4766]

Lovely video, loads of info - sticking with my 14th Gen Intel, no point moving, its a downgrade

[@pietro444]

Nicely done Leo, good info !

[@salvatore4825]

Thanks KG

[@TheTaurus104]

In the end the result remains the same as 3 months ago. In most workloads, Ryzen 9000 and Core Ultra are mostly on par. In gaming they are max Vanilla Zen 5 level. They still have no chance against Zen 5 X3D. And Raptor Lake Refresh is again often faster than its successor in some scenarios.

[@hothardwareforthewin-he4fz]

yep. the new processors look to be rebadged mobile chips. hence the balanced profile nonsense on launch. no matter how hallock spins it.

[@gelul12]

Most games dont even use x3d that much though

[@HooDooMagic]

@@gelul12 There are no shortage of x3d benchmarks out there and they've been taking the screws to Intel since the 5800x3d first came out. When it comes to gaming nothing comes close to the 9800x3d.

[@gelul12]

@@HooDooMagic that is true but its not solely due to x3d

[@_n8thagr8_63]

only problem is the x3d chips are massively overpriced for what they offer

[@jonshaffer5793]

I have a 265K and I game at 2K. I'm very happy with it so far.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

At higher resolutions CPU is less important GPU is more important.

[@PowellCat745]

@@thetheoryguy5544 not the case when you have a 5090. You’ll see a much bigger delta among CPUs even at 2K with a 5090.

[@tilapiadave3234]

1440 quit that 2k rubbish

[@YasukeNakamoto]

Same 1440p 240 pretty smooth with 265k

[@emilio5937]

I like competition and its so good to see leo reporting on the improvements and gains with the fixes - it is still some way away from competiting with AMD, but maybe in time

[@degroot50]

Leo has a no no-nonsense voice, thats why its so nice listening to him!

[@ibrahimFeyzahan]

3 months till today, wow time flies, I remember the launch, didnt think it was that long away. crazy stuff

[@lharsay]

So Doom: The Dark Ages is listed on Steam with a CPU requirement of 8 core 16 threads. I wonder which CPU is going to be more screwed the 6 core 12 thread Ryzen 5 9600X or the 6P+8E core 14 thread Core Ultra 5 245K.

[@Itsameamario-ns3se]

is it ? wow just checked , thats insane

[@TrueDesire존]

lets see what the reviews tells us :)

[@gruiadevil]

None 8 weak cores are less performant than 6 new cores Compare an 8core Xeon from 15 years ago with a 6 core i5 from today. See which one gets you more FPS in games

[@matpl8769]

It says exactly: "AMD Zen 3 or Intel 12th Generation CPU @3.2Ghz with 8 cores / 16 threads or better (examples: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X or better, or Intel Core i7 12700K or better)" and I don't think it means it always requires 8 (performance) cores. Basically i5-13600K is on par with i7-12700K, even Ryzen 5 7600X is much better than Ryzen 7 5700X and for Core Ultra... it's a mystery. It is also worth noting, that above requirements is for "1440p / 60 FPS / High Quality Settings", but we need only "AMD Zen 2 or Intel 10th Generation CPU @3.2Ghz with 8 cores / 16 threads or better (examples: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X or better, or Intel Core i7 10700K or better)" for "1080p / 60 FPS / Low Quality Settings", which is rather weird, as resolution has nothing to do with CPU requirements and in case of quality settings only things like ray tracing. I think CPUs like 12700K will be enough for much more than 60 fps.

[@vyor8837]

@@matpl8769 the game uses RT inherently so...

[@1Grainer1]

isn't CP 2077 mostly game update gains? they optimized it in a very significant way, i think i say something like 160->180/190 uplift for 285K? i assume half of those gains are thanks to CDPR

[@danieloberhofer9035]

It's all CDPR, HUB already saw these gains way before Intel had any updates out.

[@welshman2011]

Yes they do but they are currently have big issues and issues with windows especially for people who is new to it and wants to download it now like I had to when I upgraded, or shall I say downgraded to 24H2 lol where it wouldn't reinstall or verify the game when putting the files back into GOG like I've always done, so I ended up reverted back to windows 23h2 earlier on today with the game still in tact and all issues vanished

[@domenico7561]

Makes me feel so glad I just bought a 9800X3D

[@seanmcd72]

Excellent report! Two thumbs up.

[@nightcorepeter]

I hope Intel don’t die this year, we need them for prices to be competitive, with AMD running the show now

[@barrozo24]

nice video, nive material !! i love to see FRESH reviews with +3 months +6 months and 1 year after the product is release because companies can improve them and usually 90% of youtubers dont this kind of videos happy to see someone does that job +1milion points on you

[@jamey-pl4ez]

9950X is the CPU I want next, just trying to work out the cost

[@01ai01]

Thanks for the update!

[@KitGuruTech]

No worries!

[@Wyatt775]

Some of the errors they made should never have made it out the door, everyone makes mistakes, but there were at least 40 people checking all this stuff internally.

[@Fabio-dp2ue]

I still have my 12th Gen intel system here, working fine, I just change my GPU every year when I get a deal on ebay, people need to stop just buying everything new, make stuff last

[@RobertWilliams776-c9k]

At least we are seeing some noticeable improvements and fixes - but its not a platform I would jump into. I would be looking at 14th gen deals, or AMD Ryzen now

[@stevens1041]

The core ultra series is interesting and I hope Intel can iron out all the complications.

[@zodwraith5745]

5:03 Did Robert Hallock steal his shoes from a bowling alley?

[@96andry96]

Thank you for this update! The only one who has not forgotten about this, besides all the new entry at CES.

[@The_Chad_]

I'm a lot more comfortable building a new workstation with a 285K now. Luckily, they're finally in stock. I literally saw ZERO Ultra 9's for sale until very recently.

[@PiotrBarcz]

I've been seeing them available on Amazon for months already

[@The_Chad_]

@@PiotrBarcz Hmm, weird. I guess I've just been checking at the wrong times every time I've checked. I've looked probably weekly since they launched, and only ever saw 5s and 7s. I guess that explains why there has been no coverage about poor supply. I assumed it was just due to low interest.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@The_Chad_ Yeah I dunno man, check PC Part Picker, if they show you a price it means some carrier has it.

[@GimmeSomeSugarr]

@@The_Chad_ nobody wants to buy that trash gl

[@Rickles]

I got the 265k for $300 with $70 off a motherboard at microcenter. At that price its actually a really good upper midrange value. Im not gaming with a 4090 so it has all gaming fps i need plus great multi core and single core for the money. I see why arrow lake gets a lot of hate but I think some people are sleeping on this deal as its a nice middle ground value that AMD isnt covering. The 20 core will retire into a proxmox server one day so no regrets about the purchase. Its not for everyone but the groupthink "Intel Bad" is not really helpful except for generating reviewer goodwill with the community.

[@theonlyredspecial]

That was a good deal tbf 👍🏻

[@TalonsTech]

@@Rickles That $299 deal with the $70 off is an absolute steal. Incredible multicore. Very competent gaming and low power consumption. Once 265K is overclocked it’s a total beast.

[@thetechdevil-jn1vo]

Don’t think Leo has been anti Intel in his content. He showed a pretty bad situation on launch day and he demo’d the issues. But he has waited for 3 months until it was in a better situation to present the info today. some other channels have gone the other way. It’s a wierd world now. Negativity sells.

[@Cerebral-Zero]

I found one used for 260. And then the MSI Z890 Tomahawk was 60 off on Newegg with an additional 30 dollar Steam bonus

[@S92Chicken]

i am in kind of the same boat. i got it for 300 dollars last year without a mobo in december and just bought a gigabyte z890 eagle mobo for 200 dollars as well. got some ram sticks for 200 and upgraded my psu as well. since i already had a 4070 ti super i feel like this was such a great upgrade path for me and the savings let me upgrade my psu to a 1050w psu. all in all, they need to drop the price on these. at the prices that they are, it's a no brainer to go for amd. but with the right lower price the ultra series will definitely be much more competitive i think

[@HAM_An1mA]

Appreciate the old and new in the graphs, because AMD or Microsoft could also improve the AMD cpu's with updates.

[@gaeljames6225]

Well I am glad Leo addressed the points Hallock did not - and yes I agree, these are some kind of mobile reworked hybrid desktop nonsense

[@jannegrey]

That's interesting. You can see that some of the fixes helped Arrow Lake. Others helped Intel in General. Some even helped all CPU's - especially those that are tile/chiplet based. And yes, most of it is "how it was supposed to be" for Intel's 15th Gen. The funny thing is that AMD had similar issues with Zen 5. It's just that it took them a bit less time to fix it.

[@whiplash2891]

3:01 NO FRIGGIN WAY that dude's last name is "Chiappetta"😂 It means ass cheek in italian 😂 like, little ass cheek😂

[@KitGuruTech]

😗

[@cybersamiches4028]

Chi chi chia, Petta

[@michaelthompson9798]

I’ve been using AMD since the 486 DX4-80mhz till the Athlon X2 4200. Then I switched to Intel 1st Gen Core CPUs til the infamous I7-4790K, then on to Ryzen 2700X, then 3900X …. Then 5800X3D, then 7950X3D and 9800X3D (I currently have 2x 5800X3D builds, a 7950X3D build and a 9800X3D build! I love my AMD CPUs more so than I tel overall, but I’m glad to see Intel finally getting their Core Ultra line up working as imo, it looks like an interesting design with a lot of potential 🥰💪😉🥳

[@danieloberhofer9035]

AM386 DX40 here... 😊

[@randomgaming5332]

My first PC in 1998 had an AMD K6 233mhz cpu.

[@dafyddthomas7299]

Looking forward to your reviews of Main Z890 Boards + Intel Core Ultra Cpu's and whether this would be a worth while upgrade for us on Intel 12th - 14th Gen of PC.s

[@shmookins]

I look forward to Nova Lake.

[@uwhat1]

Thank you even though I have had zero issues since purchase thank you for this Leo

[@QuentinStephens]

I'm very much looking forward to seeing the results of your testing. Have you tried enabling and testing the Ultimate Performance power plan?

[@KitGuruTech]

I have not, mainly because of the time it takes but also because neither AMD nor Intel has ever mentioned it and I am certtain Intel would grasp at any potential straw right now. Leo

[@thetheoryguy5544]

If anyone from Intel with a little pull is reading comments and wants to make it up to the people who've been dealing with the constant BIOS updates and underwhelming ARL gaming performance. Please just do us one favor and allow Novalake to work on Z890 boards! do you really need more pins each new CPU? Its not like Nova is a fresh new architecture like Arrow is to Raptor its just a second and hopefully more refined revision of ARL. So please allow it to work as it would suck to be stuck with no upgrade path after just one CPU generation.

[@Saymree]

How do you know it isn’t allowed?

[@spuchoa]

Hope they keep improving this generation of CPU and GPU.

[@greebj]

There won't be a refresh of this CPU line, and for GPU, Arc has reached its heights... if you can call heights "slightly better than a 4060, sometimes, 2 years later" One of Intel's new nodes HAS to work and be great, or they will be entrenched as Bulldozer era AMD were as the budget option making terrible margins and profits

[@HaveYouEverBeenMellow]

I forgot these even existed...

[@NUMBERSCheatham]

Always love a Leo video, could listen to him talk about anything - very soothing voice

[@pixelrefresh348]

Finally been waiting ages for this!

[@dreschaffhausen5693]

Thank god its finally ready.

[@Hollyx93]

ty, the only one on yt so far revisit it after 3 month. i got a ultra 7 this week cause its for sale in germany for 299€ good deal and a awesome cpu for this price. replaced a i5 7600k

[@digitalwolf7628]

If I was ready to tear down my second machine I'd do a build with one of these just to do it. Not overly long ago I'd already have one because I love new hardware... although I just like new motherboards more than anything. Anyway I enjoyed the vid just like every other vid you do!

[@fletcher3431]

Missed the balanced profile stuff at the time as I was sick, but wow, what a mess up

[@KitGuruTech]

They are at least improving the situation now. Took a little time.

[@fletcher3431]

@@KitGuruTech I understand!

[@Marc-pi3hz]

Will you also test for power consumption in idle? I think intel has been more power hungry than AMD for sure, except for idle in some tests that I have seen. And during light desktop use it might run more efficient? I am not running Cinebench all day.

[@KitGuruTech]

Arrow Lake CPU draws around 20W at idle, system draw around 100W. Raptor Lake CPU is less than 5W at idle and system draw around 80W. Zen 5 CPU is 25W at idle and 90W for system. Leo

[@shoobadoo123]

Microcenter is selling 265k for only $230 right now when you buy a z890 mobo of your choice to go with it. I don't NEED an upgrade but it is very tempting because that price is amazing

[@welshman2011]

I can remember you saying at the start that you wanted to wait for all updates to come out before you give your review on the core ultra to give it a fighting chance and you did! So hats off to you :) it just a shame windows 11 24H2 is problematic causing many issues including on the 9800X3D

[@KitGuruTech]

There have certainly been some odd things going on with Windows 11 this past year Leo

[@jeremynelson8496]

I went Ultra 265k from an i7 7700k this month, purchased it from microcenter for $215. The computer is absolutely amazing with all the gen 5 hardware. I can hardly wait to put a new gpu in the machine!

[@NoahLife97]

Great video Leo!

[@futurologist1962]

I cant believe they let a balanced power setting cause so much damage, its like rookie mistakes 101

[@huxley3775]

My buddy built a 285k system and he has been through three different makes of motherboard - his asus board now seems more stable than the two MSI boards he had before but he is sick of it all.

[@Ilestun]

Good news for those who baught them. Better performance is always welcomed.

[@Hudson234]

Mobile chips, 100% right leo,. they act like they and perform like them too

[@KitGuruTech]

👍🏻

[@biomechanism1]

Could you do one 4K test with dlss in a heavy cpu bound game?

[@bishopDavis2115]

Thats some good improvements, but they are behind AMD still, its good move forward, but not enough, just not enough

[@Sylar0n]

This is a nice summary post updates and correlates with what i experience with my own 285k. One thing, if i can request, or point out as a nice addition. The 1080p low gaming benchmark on a $500+ CPU does not make any sense. Actually, does not make any sense on anything over $300 CPU. No one buys a CPU for that price to play games in 1080p low. And while the 1080p low benchmark shows the total power in specialized conditions, real life would show that 1440p and 4k is the resolution the wannabe consumer wants to know more about. And in 4k the 9800x3D does not have a substantial lead over the 285, or even the price competitive 265k.

[@MentalCrusader]

I don't get why Intel has such high prices for this generation

[@idontknow00000]

@@MentalCrusader TSMC maybe

[@THERONIverson]

Been a long winding road - seems they are getting there though, thanks Leo for the updates

[@KitGuruTech]

No worries

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

look ok to me. beside even if i get that and put it as needed i only use the max hz\fps that the monitor use. the interesting part what happens when is limted to that specific scenario. Thank so much Mr Leo. as i say and change is a good change

[@materialburst983]

Im excited for the ¨refresh¨ version of these CPUs. I am currently on a 5700X3D so I plan to upgrade my platform next year for work and gaming.

[@Jamie71q]

14700k user here, love the cpu, just the heat was a problem before i undervolted it, now doesn't really go about 80c while gaming.

[@mytech6779]

Yeah, still going to wait for their next generation before specing my next build.(Which could still go AMD, I just want to see what comes along and let the AMD supply strain catch up too.) Heck, I may even drag my feet longer depending on rumors of Arc celestial release date.

[@Superior85]

My experience with the CPU has been good so far. The memory latency I measured was in the 70s (72 ns was the lowest I got to after some tuning). I also run my 265K mildly overclocked on a cheap air cooler, so my R24 scores are 2164 MT / 141 ST, making it faster than both prior gen flagships in both areas, after some mild overclocking. As for GPU I'm waiting for the 5070 Ti or maybe RX 9700 XT since I sold my last GPU prior to 50-series announcement. I do have a 240 Hz monitor, but I think I will be using multi-frame generation to get there in demanding games, so having the absolute fastest brute force gaming CPU doesn't matter to me. I ended up getting a 265K because of the Microcenter deal. They are running a sale where you get ~$130 off the CPU and another ~$70 off a motherboard if purchased at the same time. So a savings of around $200. It was $414+tax for the 265K plus motherboard for me. Had I built a 9800X3D machine (CPU+MOBO), it would have cost at least $200 more, the extra cost would not have been worth it in my situation...

[@Owsryudie]

Ultra 9 285k will still be the best thing until end of year, right?

[@megapet777]

I was intel user for long time. Now I'm amd user. Hopefully intel can make a comeback, competition is important.

[@pixelrefresh348]

I am stuck on intel and really dont want to make the switch...

[@monikaw1179]

I'd forgotten these even exist

[@georgem.6136]

Woohoo, to the reviews!

[@parker3715]

9800X3D or 9950? anyone know?

[@derbigpr500]

The part of Intel and Windows updates is something nobody talks about, and that's the fact that 14th gen performance got a bigger boost than 200 series, so 14900k is now 14% faster than 285 as opposed to 7% before updates. Even less reason to upgrade. My 14900k is now a performance monster while being relatively cool, and perfectly reliable and dependable so far.

[@randomgaming5332]

Maybe you could just set the power plan to high performance whidout need to wait for an update?

[@YasukeNakamoto]

Good for you but I’m happy with my 265k I got for $299

[@voldem0rt]

Couldn't score a 5090 Asstral yesterday. Currently have a i9-9900k on a maximus extreme board and 3090 strix. Figured since my gpu is considerably more powerful than my current cpu, to a point that its a potential bottleneck, I made a purchase on everything but the gpu. I bought a i9 ultra 285k, maximus extreme z890, ddr5 9000 2 x 24GB and a ryujin III 240 argb cooler. This gives me hope that I made the right decision. My current psu is the thor 1200w plat. My current panel PG32UCDP is going to see a huge uplift in frames I believe.

[@rufusmctavish1164]

Thanks Leo - good improvements - was a good learning experience for Intel in 2024 - not sure I fell sympathy for them, but at least its stabilising now with all the JAN fixes

[@gpdubs]

Helpful update, thank you. Question I don't feel like I have seen addressed anywhere - and tbf one that is not simply defined in implementation. Given differences in multicore processing, are differentials between 9800x3d and intel practical gaming results smaller the benchmarks? Let me explains - so the 9800x3d is unquestionably the king in gaming benchmarks, but it drastically trails in multicore benchmarks. For sure different use cases, so fair enough. But gaming benchmarks are run presumably with all possible unnecessary background processes closed of a clean test. Suspect average gamer has a variety of background apps running.... or in the extreme streamers with voicemeeter, obs, and whatever else running in the background. Curious at what point multicore performance has relevance to practical gaming performance, acknowledging its not the game itself but other threads running beyond the game?

[@KitGuruTech]

As you say, that depends on your use case and that is exactly why AMD is pushing the Ryzen 9 9950X/9950X3D. You get all the benefits of the Ryzen 7 with another 8 cores on stand-by to handle extra tasks and the only downside is extra cost. Leo

[@cardcounter21]

I've always been an intel guy but the 9950x3D looks like its gonna decimate the 285 Ultra in both gaming and content creation!

[@Austin023]

Just goes to show you, a big company like Intel can still miss basic things - they have fired too many good people lately, so the chain of command and testing, goes out the window

[@hardytoddler2082]

The 265k is a great all rounder for the price.

[@zodwraith5745]

I feel it's unfair how many people act like Arrow Lake is a disaster. It's not Bulldozer, it just did nothing to move the performance needle and most people don't care about efficiency in a desktop environment. It's not "bad," it's just not very good considering the prices. The real problem is any new platform these days offer no motherboards below $200 anymore and decent ones are far closer to $300. Look how long AM5 took to offer affordable boards? If it weren't for X3D I bet AMD would _still_ have a hard time convincing anyone to give up their AM4 boards. It's also X3D that makes people think AMD is lightyears ahead of Intel when in reality they really aren't. Gamers live in this echo chamber where they think the only need for a fast CPU is gaming. Even when you _do_ account for gaming if you need to have a $2000 GPU and playing at 1080p to make it shine that's not a realistic scenario. But once you turn off the kiddie games and get away from GPU bottlenecks X3D falls flat on it's face and non-X3D Zen5 and Arrow Lake start to look far more appealing, while Raptor Lake gets even better when you can get a 20core i7 for half the price of a 9800X3D on a more affordable mobo. It's hilarious how many people want me to build them an X3D because they watched all the reviews, just to find out they're pairing it with a 4060 because GPUs are so overpriced. Don't get me wrong, X3D is an amazing technology for gaming but only for gaming and it's overpriced for an 8 core CPU in 2025. You need to keep in mind a lot of people _don't_ just play games. Intel is on the right track moving to advanced nodes and prepping 18A, but they need to remember gamers are the users that drive hype and hence drive share prices. They'll still outsell AMD in prebuilt desktops and laptops where most sales occur, but those are low margin sales and they need to remember gamers are fully in control of the hype train. They need to fast track their own vcache design they've been working on where it's embedded in the packaging if they want a win with gamers again. The real question is who's even running Intel these days? We've heard nothing but placeholder marketing BS since Pat's exit so it's hard to place faith in just having 18A listed as "coming soon." The _silence_ is deafening when Arrow Lake is disappointing and overpriced and there seems to be no leadership steering the ship. It's almost like they _want_ their share prices to tank so they can do a massive buy back.

[@easa1912svk]

Using the Arrow Lake 285K + Z890 Ace basically since the launch week, ready for the 5090 to go in. I have nothing to complain about. Insane workstation powerhouse + 4K gaming machine.

[@UporaFilms]

No 4K comparison?

[@lyralei1223]

Please can you make one for the content creators and 3d artists? 🙏

[@ogcarterdc9692]

14900k FTW !

[@dommerdom]

If you could make the font a bit bigger that would be helpful.

[@Eleanora577]

They really are relying on Hallock now as the face of Intel, who is the new CEO do we know much about them?