Accord Euro R Battle! CL1 vs CL7

What's better? The 90's CL1 Accord Euro R, or the 00's CL7 Accord Euro R? Let's find out.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:13 Drivetrain
2:21 Interior
3:28 CL1 Driving Experience
5:26 CL7 Driving Experience
7:36 Conclusion
Thanks for Watching!

[@DK.100]

Cool to see the CH1 Accord Type R mentioned, most of the world dont seem to know it exists, never thought I'd ever see any in New Zealand but I was lucky enough to see 2 of them in the Wellington region

[@tssb7]

I had one in Nelson for 6 years. It was my baby, stock standard, slightly lowered and no wing. Looked and drove amazing. Moved to Wellington and it got stolen after 6 weeks 😢

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah they're very interesting for sure. Sorry to hear it got stolen!

[@civic95reborn]

@@tssb7 Apparently they were the most stolen cars during the time i was in Auckland, it was in 2011 and i owned a Torneo SiR, B20 Vtec Bluetop auto. great great car, one of the best honda i have owned, i have owned around 80 Hondas in the past 17 years, just to put things into prospective :)

[@Slowest_Accord]

@@civic95reborn do you mean an F20B?

[@civic95reborn]

@@Slowest_Accord yes sorry didn't realise i wrote B20, too many of them hahaha

[@deaconwaddinton6380]

I got a CL9 for my first car after watching your videos

[@kauridavie2043]

Same as me bro

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha awesome

[@NZbmxer0]

Love a CL1 such a classic design these are underrated

[@KiwiCarLife]

Absolutely

[@hassansafeer7411]

Legendry cars both of them, I have been using cl7 since I was 20 years old and now I a. 41 year old and last year I bought cl7 euro r 2006 model. I will definately keep it with me as an antique euro r for my rest of my life.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Awesome!

[@stuartborman7867]

The cl1 has got the same engine as my prelude sir s-spec. And I love it!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Mm yes lovely motor

[@HYPERHYPER-if8wv]

Kinda easier to say Same body (h22a) Different bones (internals)

[@fazlybiz357]

Your channel represents car enthusiasts before strict euro emission regulations where manufacturers can churn high hp with simple design and manual was common. Cars nowadays are too complicated, porky ,expensive and a bit sterilized on the driving feel. I enjoy the way you presents on driving feel rather than the details of car specs. Keep it up!.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@spadgm]

Really nice vid as usual mate, two superb cars!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@neog4822]

my first CL1 really got me into honda's, great car!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed

[@TornByThornss]

Killer video man! I imported my Milano Red CL1 Euro R into Australia last year. Truly a beast to drive and a car I will try to hold onto for as long as I can. Would like to take a CL7 for a spin though!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man! And yeah the CL7 is definitely a little more refined

[@dmitrypiotrovskiy2518]

Hey!) If not a secret, how much you paid for Milano red in Japan? What was a condition? Thinking to get one as well. I had CH9 with Cl1 gearbox many years ago, now I want Cl1

[@TornByThornss]

@@dmitrypiotrovskiy2518 I've seen most CL1 Euro Rs going for about $18k - 20k AUD if you import through a broker, and about $22k - $25k if you import or buy through a dealership. Mine was done through a dealership that bulk imported cars over from Japan so I paid about $24k for Milano Red.

[@craiggreen4388]

You nailed the outro. Once again, thanks for the Accord content.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@victorwilks88]

Can never skip a accord video

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yuurs

[@honda4185]

I looove the Ch1..and that's why i got 2 off them! 😇 But would love to have the CL7.!! Just love sedan! The CL1 has the same steering wheel as the Ferrari 550 Maranello and the Ek9 and Dc2.! The H22a7 sound and tourque is a masterpiece!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yesssss

[@snggarageeng]

I grew up in Japan and now live in Uzbekistan ! Your channel reminds me of my childhood and all fun cars that saw

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nicee

[@stevepurdy2451]

Thanks for the vid mate, I really miss my CL1 after watching this, it was such a great handling car with the double wishbones all round and you could use all its performance on NZ roads

[@KiwiCarLife]

Absolutely

[@ae86conor]

Silly fact the Cl1 and Cl7 were named Euro R to pay tribute to the CH1....also Great video again👍

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@chrismartin5662]

H22A 🦾nice vid mate !!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@muthukumaranc]

Holy shit I didn't know these cars had a Double Wishbone setup! I guess Honda's were doing very well at that time.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Indeed

[@sirboffin]

Nice video mate! Got a CL7 Euro R myself. However, they have double wishbone suspension in both front and back. That is what Ichishima San (founder of Spoon Sports), said made the Euro R the best Honda chassis of all time

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not to the extent of all the research I've done. It's a 5 link setup in the rear. Very similar to double wishbone

[@REEEALS.A]

Nicely spoken If you get the chance to aquire a type r or euro r dont think twice they dont stick around too long

[@KiwiCarLife]

Absolutely

[@thatguyben3128]

_very cool comparison 😎love ❤️the sound on that CL1💪🏼_

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@jamesmcintosh9868]

Good video. I had an auto LEV version of the CL years ago which was still a good car and a h22a prelude that went like the clappers too. We used to play a game on what hills you could go up at 50k in 5th gear, the h22a would surprisingly do extremely well haha

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha yeah man all about the torque!

[@NathanFrench]

Would love to see you drive a CH1. I currently have 4 CL1s (3 for spares) and 2 CH1s. One of my CH1s I've had 10 years now, high comp engine etc. The CL1 drives great, but the CH1s even better. Faster, lighter, wider track, fantastic power steering instead of the CL1s troublesome and soulless EPS system...trust me you think the CL7 is good, wait until you try a CH1, especially a modified one.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hopefully one day. Not many here in nz

[@Edgar_84]

„These are some special cars man…“ that summed it up in a very straightforward manner. The only thing is that they are just nowhere to be found anymore.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah sad times

[@Nicedesk]

Great review!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@Pixels1920]

The difference is that the cl1 used the prelude/accord big engine back then. The cl7 uses the civic type r engine. It's like if they put a b18 in the cl1, It would not feel right. If the cl7 had a k24a it would of been perfect!!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeahh very true actually. Wish Honda made a true red top K24A

[@hildebluee]

I actually prefer the dash/interior of the CL1, it feels like a more driver-centric design.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Interesting… I just prefer the build quality of CL7

[@Ifakati]

Great video as always Kiwi! Been wondering ... If you would compare this CL1 vs your previous CL9 you've modified if terms of torque ( not considering the power delivery since the CL9 didn't had a LSD ) was it any different or similar ?

[@KiwiCarLife]

I did this video already, that's what the red car was from

[@ArunaVidu]

Red car's body design is also timeless.

[@KiwiCarLife]

For sure

[@Darylrb1983]

Have always been a fan of the h22a. Had one in each of my honda preludes. One had a longer geared accord trans and the other had the t2 transmission with lsd

[@KiwiCarLife]

Very nice

[@jovanciric4264]

I really want to daily drive an CL1 Type R, it is just a masterpiece, H22, 5 speed, VTEC goodness what more could you ask for, Im not sure does a Type R have cruise control?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nah it doesn't but in every other regard it's great

[@TheFatSandwhich]

Aw man, I miss my old CL1 Torneo now! I bought it in 2020 for something like 3.2k NZD and it’s still the best value for money car I’ve owned to this day (IS350 close behind) the H22A was addictive even though it drank oil like no tomorrow, as they are known for. Ended up selling it for more than I paid a year later as they’ve been increasing a lot in value lately, like my DC2 sir. Also, loving the AlphaTauri t-shirt!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah mate used to be so cheap aye. Best bang for buck performance sedan. Not so much anymore annoyingly. And yes haha got a few red bull/alpha tauri stuff

[@TheFatSandwhich]

@@KiwiCarLife they’re easily upwards of 7-8k now, all with a lot of k’s. I need to get me some merch!!

[@MrDamburger]

Epic video. Might have to snag up an accord.. As long as it doesn't get stolen as soon as I park it somewhere lol. Where's the road at the end? Looks epic

[@KiwiCarLife]

Sh3

[@currarwhitham-field5213]

Man, the $6500 I paid for my cl1 that made 152kw atw with just intake and tune compared the 224kw atw in my 350z hr now $40k+ deep. Far better bang for buck in those Hondas even now that people want 10k for a shitter aha

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well... to a point. Could also spend 10k on a 335i with a stage one tune and make as much power as your 350Z...

[@currarwhitham-field5213]

@@KiwiCarLife oh yeah, if power was my main concern the stock turbo bmw 135i or 335i would be the best option! About 15k of my Z is on intake/testpipes/exhaust and tune. Pretty low kw/$ when ya dealing with NA huh?!

[@HYPERHYPER-if8wv]

I just can't comprehend spending 40k plus to stay na just to make 250kw like 20k will make almost double that and you still have money to make it look pretty

[@currarwhitham-field5213]

@@HYPERHYPER-if8wv I get that, and if power was my only concern I would have got a DE and turboed it for the money I bought the car for but I'm super particular, bought the best cond, top spec manual HR I've seen and all the best parts new, suspension alone was over 5k. Each to their own though someone beats me in their shitter I'll still be happy with my choices haha

[@HYPERHYPER-if8wv]

@@currarwhitham-field5213 to true each to there own I couldnt imagine how your beast would sound but I'm darn sure it would sound damn near perfect for a N.A build I'm in 15k+ on my Z but I went with the rearmount setup that my mate and I are fabricating from the start and I'm still not built (internals) wise 🤣🤣

[@volleyball9110]

Hi mate,is it available to try Altezza 280T?I saw one on trademe in 2015 which asked for 18500nzd and I know it is pretty rare in NZ.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haven't heard of the 280t. What engine?

[@newbwheeler9777]

I love the Accord R’s but sadly we didn’t get them in Canada.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah u got the tsx though

[@Legend-lc9bv]

In Jamaica we have all 3 in a stock pile to a point where they don’t sell for much dc5 type r fd2 type r we have them all

[@KiwiCarLife]

Ah yes

[@gabordeak4287]

Nice video as always. What kind of watch are you wearing?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man, Casio Ediface ECB-900MDC

[@nathanknight8022]

This makes me miss my 6gen

[@KiwiCarLife]

Mmm good vehicle

[@user-cr5fl1ro9p]

Have 3 cl1 and 1 cl7, accord is nice car~~

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice

[@khenmanuel3127]

Who would win a head to head race?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Cl7

[@milkovas556]

As of now I am clocking 320k miles on my TSX , flawlessly.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Excellent

[@eithias671]

Such a sad conclusion to hit me with... Now I feel like I have to keep my car forever.

[@KiwiCarLife]

I know man I should have kept mine

[@xraider927]

I love the CL7 for me

[@KiwiCarLife]

Good car

[@renielquevedo2183]

@7:54 so sad, but true... It did sound like a line of fast & Furious

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha yeah true

[@irelandshane1984]

Love the Accord content. Have you thought about supercharging the CL7? Would love to see it 😜

[@KiwiCarLife]

Would be cool, but I've said in the past: if I was gonna supercharge a car, I'd rather just buy something faster. Like my ISF haha

[@irelandshane1984]

@@KiwiCarLife think of the content, the build would pay for itself 😜

[@gyallis4life617]

I cant believe I sold my euro r and then u purchased one. No way man

[@KiwiCarLife]

Lovely car

[@gyallis4life617]

It really is. Makes me smile seeing you drive it. Keep up the good work bro 💪

[@brittonwritespoetry]

The CL1 has multi-link rear and the front is not double wishbone. It uses wishbone upper control arms for the front.

[@KiwiCarLife]

That wasn't the impression I was under

[@sabangundogdu4217]

Did I understood right: CH1 and CL1 feels and performs the same? I heard from few Honda guys that the CH1 feels and accelerates like a DC2 Integra Type R. What would you guys say?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah ch1 and cl1 are the same

[@supersouljah5326]

H22A red top torque is 221nm , h22a black top sir/vti-R is 205nm+ . You can feel the difference in torque especially on VTEC , not much difference in performance.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Oh yes

[@CT-ho5hv]

My love CL7R

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice!

[@haloguylevi]

The euro R is just an H swapped accord, been thinking about doing that to my clapped out 00’ accord

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well there's a bit more to it than that

[@haloguylevi]

@@KiwiCarLife if you squint really hard the front end looks cooler on the NA

[@B33ond]

You probably get better fuel economy from the k20 than h22?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah definitely

[@cuneytcomuk4387]

I have 2.4 CL9 A/T. In Turkiye, there isn't CL7. You are lucky.

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@cuneytcomuk4387 nice man! Yeah they were only sold in Japan. Fortunately nz gets a lot of jap imports

[@andydhillon1977]

Really good video. The CL7 with a 2.0L engine is too small. I have a 2008 US Mugen Si sedan with the 200 hp 2.0L K20Z3 engine. It's not a fun car to drive around town or commute in. A 2008 US 2.4L K24A2 engine will be going in soon

[@KiwiCarLife]

Nice man

[@alphaomega3633]

You're going to put a k24 in and take the k20 out? Are you a grandpa?

[@andydhillon1977]

@@alphaomega3633 The K20 is blown, silly boy.

[@alphaomega3633]

@@andydhillon1977 Oh ok and where does it say you blew it silly girl? I know you like blowing things though aye 😂

[@andydhillon1977]

@alphaomega3633 Pretty pathetic you're so mad at what I'm doing with my car, silly boy!

[@BLESSED-ODM]

I rather the CL1 anyday

[@KiwiCarLife]

Fair enough

[@deepbirdi4694]

Where is this road in nz bro? I wanna drive my accord there and have some fun😅😂😂

[@KiwiCarLife]

CL1 was on Ridge road just north of riverhead CL7 on SH4 between Ratehi and Whanganui

[@deepbirdi4694]

@@KiwiCarLife cheers bro.. your videos has helped me alot to know the car 🙏🏻🙏🏻 thankyou for making videos

[@MohamedIbrahim-xj2hv]

😁

[@KiwiCarLife]

Cheers

[@anthonyroma1767]

Wheres the race

[@KiwiCarLife]

Didn't get a chance to unfortunately

[@HYPERHYPER-if8wv]

I just put a turbo on my cl1 euro r and completely destroyed a k20a lol lucky for me he wasn't turboed as well 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well yeah obviously a turbo H22 would beat a stock K20 haha

[@HYPERHYPER-if8wv]

@@KiwiCarLife haha very obvious lol but like I said I'm lucky he wasn't turboed 🤣🤣🤣

[@HYPERHYPER-if8wv]

@@KiwiCarLife I was just surprised how obvious it was

[@benjaminwingchun9665]

they will be around, if you own them 😂

[@KiwiCarLife]

True haha I guess it's whether we're allowed to own them

[@benjaminwingchun9665]

@@KiwiCarLife I think they will just make it more expensive to register over new(if its a new vs old) or electric (if its electric vs petrol)and or raise the petrol prices. Japan has always had old car tax so people just buy new as it works out cheaper.

[@vossti]

Basically there will be nothing like this for this price range....only the ridiculous super cars and lousy EVs

[@KiwiCarLife]

in a few years possibly so enjoy them while you can!

[@chad9160]

Hey bro I believe you’re a mechanic for Honda correct? I’m 18 and considering applying for an apprenticeship there, Would you recommend it? I’ve been watching all your videos for months and just realised I forgot to sub, That just changed 😅 Keep up the good work man!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man and if you want to get an apprenticeship I'd recommend going through weltec

[@Trash-horse]

Yeah. Having owned H22 and K20 engine cars, i have to say that the K series is the better engine but, it doesn't do the thing like an H22 does. I kinda feel like the vvt softens the kick of the vtec in the K engine.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah true I’d agree