Kizer Fluid V - The Best Flat Frame For Avoiding Wheel Bite?

I decided to give the Kizer Fluid V another try. I enjoyed them when I skated The Mesmer John Bolino, then weirdly really didn't get along with them when I tried the Blank Sean Keane, so I decided to give it the old third time is a charm and see how it works with the USD Sway Chris Farmer. Is this a better flat frame than my beloved Entente Diridari? Is this frame now slightly overlooked because it comes stock on USD Sway and Mesmer Throne skates? Does it offer good wheel protection on grinds? These questions and more answered.
0:00 Initial impressions
7:08 Skating
8:20 Pros and cons
13:30 B roll and falls
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[@liamphillips1762]

If you use the handle of a hammer put inbetween the frame and twist it long ways it holds it open to get middle wheels in and you can let hammer go so have both hands to use 🤙🏼 nice review ❤

[@liamphillips1762]

I really liked mine but preferred the flt4 for the sl boot the boot down angle just felt better

[@spookwackadoo]

I love your set, the color of the chair against the wall is 🤌

[@LifetimeShred]

I like the Fluid Vs too. Oysi med is my fav though

[@almostremembered]

By far my favoeite frame ever. Bonus - you can access the frame bolts without taking the wheels out (at least with 58mm wheels, not sure about 59 or 60). I've ridden them on SL's, 909's, 5th Elements, and now Blanks.

[@longtermsquatter]

Good tip. Can't stand changing my oysi setup because of the lack of access. And talking of pain in the ass setups, getting wheels in there is a chore

[@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493]

Have you tried those rounded head tools? You can still unscrew in angles

[@user-nw6ci5qe8t]

Thanks for this review! From street inline skate now i did buy USD sway team 60 flat. 1st time in aggressive skate and kinda worried about the flat set up coz they said im gona have problem about wheelbite. Now i now that sway 60 is using this fluid 5 frame like this! Now i can rest my mind hehe. Thanks you!👍

[@TheKiaiKid]

Nice job on the video, as always. I really enjoyed getting to see you in action as well. Looking forward to the next one.

[@Cloudblading]

I just put these frames on and then I found your video! I’m relieved to hear they performed so well. I’m trying flat for the first time in a while because I really like anti rocker but I miss the smoothness of Flat and I’m riding bowls and hips more. I didn’t have any trouble at all putting wheels into my frames, they slid perfectly in place. I think maybe my frames are warped (in a helpful way)because they were just laying about in my shed for the longest time

[@Stu108]

Honest reviews are the best. This is such a great channel. Well thought out and presented videos. Deserves far more subs.

[@wheelsceneblading]

Thanks very much!

[@lieuwe1981]

Great video! I love the Kizer Fluid V . I'm allready on my 3rd set. I put 95A wheels in the middle and have no wheelbite.

[@cmousdale]

great review. Love these frames - they even feel faster than other frames on the roll, I think it's because they're so tight on the wheels. And yes, the groove looks weird, but it works so well, especially when worn in. Really want to try the Superfluid version.

[@wheelsceneblading]

I am also interested in those. I am curious if there is a notable difference in how they slide.

[@JankyHank]

I had a pair from my Sways that i replaced with oysi, then i got some Bolino v1 boots on a deal from Oak City, so i just slapped the Kizers on to make them essentially stock Mesmers. I really am surprised how well the block works on them. I can backside the rounded quarter pipe with no coping at Durham park a long way without bite, and that thing is round and wide. Crazy good stock frame.

[@danielreigdiaz1373]

There are pliers that have a head that opens when you press the handle together. I have used it with Classic Oysi and it works like a.charm.

[@firomartinez_]

I’ve used the Mesmer Fluid V for around one year and these are my thoughts: Cons: Putting the middle wheels might be a nightmare as the walls are tight and the space is narrow. You’ll need tools to open that gap as you showed in the video. With other models like the Them frame, changing wheels is super easy. Even if you tight the wheel bolts, I have the impression they are too long and keep spinning and you’ll need two allen keys. Because the previous point, they might create a click sound that makes the frame feel like it’s made of cheap plastic. PROS: Price point is super good, the frames offer good wheel-bite protection (but this also depends on your wheels profile, size, and hardness), and they last long. I would like to try the super fluids material, definitely, they should be a good frame. Nice review and video! Cheers

[@wheelsceneblading]

I never experienced the clicking with the Mesmer Fluid or this one, but I have had that with the Them frame and the Symmetrics. I did notice when I skated them this week I had to tighten a few bolts - i hope that’s not a regular issue.

[@ShredCitySkatesKelvW]

That white rail looked liked all kinds of scary! 💪🏽

[@wheelsceneblading]

It was tougher than a ledge and had a random single skate stopper at the end!

[@ShredCitySkatesKelvW]

@@wheelsceneblading I noticed.. and the bar going across.. all kinds of danger

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@ShredCitySkatesKelvW there were also grooves between the pavement slabs that you could get caught in just before you jump, just to make it a little more interesting! Hahahahahahaha

[@ShredCitySkatesKelvW]

@@wheelsceneblading mad dog!

[@scottketterer1672]

So if you take the right width screwdriver handle, you can open the frame up using the handle side. I'd use something that has a triangular handle or similar shape so you can twist it enough to open up the frame and not need a second person or pliers to open them up.

[@bl88er]

I've heard a few stories about warped fluid 5s that skate anti even though they're setup flat.

[@swissblader8037]

The best flat frame would be for me a Oysi frame with flat sidewalls like the Kizer fluid frames because it slides much better for topsides and soultricks on rough ledges than frames with cut-outs in the sidewalls. PS: The Kizer Fluid V are in my eyes also good flat frames, but for some tricks on obstacles which have a little bit wider angle than 90 degrees I have not made good experiences. And they are also slower than the Oysi frames. Therefore a combination of these two would for me be the best flat frame.

[@maxknuckles13]

Word... I like em but tbh they're basically the first ufs flat setup frame I've skated.. I have been wanting to try the daridari' tho

[@lpranckus]

TIP for putting the wheels in. Take a Leatherman multitool without opening it, put the tool in a frame and then twist sideways. so the tool spreads the framewalls and locks in place. This way you have free hands and the wheels just drop inside.

[@wheelsceneblading]

Never even heard about those before!

[@bladeshred01]

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[@taktikavideo]

We made quick "frame spreader" bolt. 8mm bolt cut ~20mm and nut. Counterclockwise nut to spread frame. Just a tip for already great video/review

[@taktikavideo]

P.S. Are these Fluid's or SuperFluids?

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@taktikavideo Fluid

[@juancsmix]

diridaris are #1. too bad they're so expensive. TNEC are really good too

[@gamecat666]

my first skates are a Sway 60 and i really didnt have that much trouble with the wheels (ive rotated them a few times to reduce wearing.) i found that if you do the insides first, by just applying a little outwards pressure to the side ends with your fingers they go in okay. however if you put the outer wheels in first you will then find the inner ones almost impossible to fit.

[@gamecat666]

also the thicker walls, trying to leard grinds ive actually landed on the side walls a few times (instead of the soles) and its scary as shit. 😅 but thats just me being a noob

[@133samuelsinaterollc4]

Wooohooo

[@willshred4money]

Love the Fluid V!! I actually just went back to the large super fluid V full time. Fun fact, the split between 2 and 3 is smaller on the small Fluid V. Either way I love these frames!

[@wheelsceneblading]

The Super Fluid has a bigger split? That’s interesting!

[@willshred4money]

@@wheelsceneblading sorry no, that was confusing. The small Fluid V Vs the large fluid V. The small has a smaller split. I don't think the molds are different for the super fluid.

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@willshred4money ah, got you.

[@troyhanner7859]

Best frames period. I’ve broken 2 the stock mesmer frame and the super fluid. I do miss the super fluids. They slide so well

[@wheelsceneblading]

You’ve broken them? Doing what!

[@troyhanner7859]

@@wheelsceneblading skating. , did a front torque on a 9ft quarter and went to flat and died. Lol I broke the super fluids doing a makio. Smh. But I still love the frames

[@haggiscaliente4723]

Dave doing a farv!!!! 😮😮😮

[@wheelsceneblading]

I do plenty! What are you on about?!?!?!?!

[@dc8548]

Would Love to see your thoughts/ review of the oysi frames

[@wheelsceneblading]

The long one doesn’t appeal to me at all, but I would be up for trying the medium one.

[@chrisonskates]

My only beef with how they come stock is how they put a size small frame on a 41-42 shell. Feels very small on that boot, so I always remove it or just get boot only and put a 270 length frame on.

[@cfronin]

They do indeed slide very well, they are not my favorite flat frame though. I ride them flat 60 on m12, any soul space if enough for me, I don't care about that BUT, you can't carve in ramps and bowls without the frame walls touching and slipping away. I guess its okay for grinder bladers. My favorite setup is the Mega flat 64 so with the Fluid V I feel very slow and very low on the ground. A tall frame is harder to skate but its better for style, with the Fluid V I feel like skating a cheat setup like anti with a super huge soulplate so you don't have to bend your knees. I really need to force the tricks to look good with that frame.

[@wheelsceneblading]

That’s interesting you should say that because I had the slipping out issue on the Mega! I skated a bank spot in them and they kept wiping me out.

[@HenrisKas]

I got these with Sways and the first frames was a bit "warped" and the middle wheels was not touching the ground - like antirocker but it was very little, like 0.5mm. That with square wheel profile makes it train-tracky. I got replacement and took round profiles 61mm wheels and mounted them on CJ2. I can't tell how good or bad they are as this is my "first" aggressive skates, but I have a lot of urban skating / bombing / ice-hockey hours and so on. And my goal is to have one skates with multiple sets of frames - big wheels and small wheels. So my observations - I still can't find a frame to replace fluid V. Maybe 50/50 with metal cores would be an upgrade but then I get tempted with IQON UFS frames with all the possible setups..

[@wheelsceneblading]

Even with a warped frame, it should level out with skating and reach a point where all eight wheels are touching the ground. I am not a fan of square profile wheels at all, I prefer round or semi bullet profile (tapered with a slight flat area on the top)

[@HenrisKas]

@@wheelsceneblading sure it will wear in, but then rotating wheels will be a puzzle, btw wooden skateparks are awesome for wheels lifespan. Anyway, I had nothing to lose and contacted the shop. They sent me a replacement so I added extra round profiles wheels. Second year, still rolling. BTW Just ordered Decode 90 with grindblocks (90,72,72,90) - High hopes, lol.

[@Bl8ingSh0rts]

Oysi 281 is the only frame I've ever had nearly that much trouble getting a wheel in. All the GC, Kizer, and RB frames I've used have been much easier.

[@tomfaj]

I've been skating these frames for a while with the Sway (came in stock). They ride surprisingly well! But from day one I noticed one thing that you mentioned at the beginning - it felt like you're riding on train tracks. I checked it later, and I don't know if it was just my frames but with a fresh out of the box flat setup the middle wheels were not touching the ground! It evens out after a few sessions but it seems like the middle bolts are not in line with the outer ones giving it a slight rocker. Really annoying since it happens every time I rotate my wheels or change to a new set. And now my question is - is this my frame only or was this an intentional design feature?

[@wheelsceneblading]

That may have been it. Some frames do inevitably get warped

[@cfronin]

I really feel slow on them even though I ride flat 60. I rode flat 60 on different setups like the Mega, the Aeons, Salomons, and they are the slowest feeling frame. No idea why.

[@JustAnotherBlader]

If price is not a factor do you prefer these or the diridari frames?

[@wheelsceneblading]

It’s less than half the price of the Diridari, this is true. But I would I argue the Diridari has better features.

[@MegaCunnie]

Livi Blade Party this weekend?

[@wheelsceneblading]

It was a few weeks ago and it rained most of the time!

[@JamesSk8sInSpace]

Any temptation of trying out the mesmer team skate now that they made the toe box and size modifications to the mold? Just to see if it works better with your foot now?

[@wheelsceneblading]

Kinda! It’s one of the few boots that appeals to me - along with the Standard, the plastic Iqon.

[@JamesSk8sInSpace]

@@wheelsceneblading yeah I definitely am excited for my pre order to arrive, i just wish every company was as comprehensive with their sizing table as faction is. Kinda scared they are either gonna be absolutely perfect OR be too small. Just dont know cause they sont differentiate between the inside mm and outside mm 🤔 but we will see i guess hahah

[@longtermsquatter]

Where does it state the mold toe box was widened?

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@longtermsquatter on the description of the skate on the Powerslide website

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@longtermsquatter It doesn’t say widened. It says they removed plastic.

[@anthonyycl34]

can i skate freestyle (no middle wheels) with the kizer fluid v ?

[@wheelsceneblading]

You can skate freestyle with no issues in most flat frames. I would recommend using plastic anti rockers rather than skating freestyle though

[@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493]

Probably someone else already mentioned the Kaltik V1 or V2 Great frame... For flat is unbelievable Couldn't recommend more

[@wheelsceneblading]

I tried Kaltik in the past but I didn’t like the deep pointed groove

[@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493]

I love that our sport has so much variety. If you compare this kizer with the V1 they are totally opposites hehehe Big fan of your work keep it up!!!

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493 if you can’t find the right setup for you, you’ve not looked hard enough. Almost every taste is catered for right now, although every product has its downsides and compromises.

[@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493]

Totally agree For me the V1 worked perfectly. Not only because I'm living in Dublin, big fan of Ilia Savosin and not very skilled. Honestly, they feel like cheating.

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493 hahahahahaha

[@squidwardtortillini8816]

Better than the Them street frame? I’m looking to build a proper aggressive setup that is super low to the ground, and I’m trying to find an extremely low frame that will run 55mm wheels flat without any issues

[@wheelsceneblading]

I definitely preferred the groove on the Fluid to the Them frame. The Them frame also has a lot less wheel protection

[@cfronin]

Flat 55 is like riding 8 anti rockers in my opinion ;-)

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@cfronin agreed

[@squidwardtortillini8816]

@@cfronin I may go with 56 or 57 just depending on what I find. I just want something that’s the polar opposite of my Aeon 80’s!

[@darrenlivesey7642]

Use sola with metal H-block!!! Be a man 💯💪👌😉

[@wheelsceneblading]

That does not sound enjoyable on street at all

[@17BKS]

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