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@VASAviation
@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Approach briefing: NOTAMS....... Checked?
@53classics
@53classics 2 жыл бұрын
Correct markings / yellow X on the exit?
@basfinnis
@basfinnis 2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the Notams for Delhi? It's like a ream of A4, hidden within is a really critical bit of information that you have to find by wading through piles of trivia about a cow eating grass 4.3 nm away or someone cutting the grass between 05:31 and 05:36 🙄 NOTAMs need to be brought into the 21st century instead of being a dumping ground of useless information.
@MYeahman
@MYeahman 2 жыл бұрын
Lol the one this I have learned working in aerodrome ground ops is that pilots never ever check their NOTAMS.... The amount of times I've been working on remote strip's, ALA's etc under method of working plans that have published NOTAMS, and a pilot calls 10 mile final for a runway that has men and equipment all over it is honestly scary. Then they act like somehow you have done the wrong thing, often have no fuel to return to their departure destination and land on a parallel taxiway or something else stupid. Pilots, check your NOTAMS
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын
For construction? Definitely not necessary
@mytech6779
@mytech6779 2 жыл бұрын
This is nothing to do with NOTAMs, they said E9 and mistakenly took E5. This is not reading the sign before turning. Maybe it is more difficult to read because E5 is a high speed exit or maybe the pilots just did not pay close attention and followed the common motions.
@EVE101Patt
@EVE101Patt 2 жыл бұрын
"Yes, switch with approach inshallah" 🤣 perfect way of saying "now do what i told you to do"😅
@SloBar
@SloBar 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, with this *completely* outdated NOTAM system, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
Is it the system or poor flight planning by the pilot or dispatcher?, And, is there a better system at hand?
@basfinnis
@basfinnis 2 жыл бұрын
It's the NOTAM system that doesn't prioritise critical information but buries it in the NOTAMs.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@basfinnis All NOTAMS contain critical information. It is up to the pilot to read and and decide how they will affect his flight.
@TIO540S1
@TIO540S1 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Have you looked at NOTAMs for a flight? For a simple flight of a couple of hours (say, Long Beach, CA to Denver Centennial) There are many hundreds, if not thousands of NOTAMs. Many of them are redundant and few affect a given flight. And those that do are buried among the hundreds or thousands that do not. You could spend as long reading NOTAMSs as flying the flight. It’s a ridiculously outdated system.
@shootmespam0815
@shootmespam0815 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. The NOTAM System needs reworking for sure. Essential NOTAMS are buried in between hundrets of worthless gras cutting, or similar, NOTAMS. My personal "favourite" is planing any flight to/from/within India. Most of Indian Airports tend to write half of their AIP into the NOTAMS. Or sometimes at small french airports, some NOTAMS are only published in French, so its up to you to google translate it and hope that you get important information correctly translated. Another example was a lovely NOTAM, stating that ATC/Tower was not working at different times over a three day period, changing an airport into uncontrolled / VFR Traffic only. That happens sometimes, you might think. Yes, i agree. Problem was that this ATC closure NOTAM was buried in the FIR NOTAMS and NOT in the airport NOTAMs, because that would have been to easy....
@alexadamson1322
@alexadamson1322 2 жыл бұрын
At least the pilot owned up to making a mistake and is asking for assistance.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
What else can he do? say the devil made him do it?
@alexadamson1322
@alexadamson1322 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Well typically in aviation, experienced pilots that don't recognize or own up to their mistakes keep making those same mistakes which eventually leads into an accident or incident. Some pilots have too much pride and are usually in denial if or when they do make an honest mistake. This particular pilot will most likely learn from his mistake to avoid doing this again in the future. Was it a big mistake? No. But what if it was? After all, he is responsible for all the passengers on board that aircraft. Wouldn't you want your pilot to be responsible?? Your safety is in the pilot's hands pal.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexadamson1322 Yes, responsible enough to read the NOTAMS!
@alexadamson1322
@alexadamson1322 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Hence what led to the MISTAKE he made.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexadamson1322 Speculating only, pressed for time, failed to read the notams, complacency, or if he did read them, failed to realise the impact on his taxi route. Was the co-pilot aware of the Notams? If so, did they brief before initiating their approach? I am sure many more points can be brought up to seek the cause of this mistake.
@flyboy803
@flyboy803 2 жыл бұрын
Taxiway closures are useless on the Notams if they are not also mentioned on the arrival ATIS.
@JosephSeabourne
@JosephSeabourne 2 жыл бұрын
Especially a runway exit where all you're really wanting to do is get off the runway quickly.
@EdOeuna
@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын
Why? The whole point of NOTAMS is that you’re meant to read through them and identify what it important to your flight. It’s pretty straightforward to do. It would be helpful for the tower controller to advise the exit to take, or to remind the pilots which exits are not available. Maybe KLM needs to create a company NOTAM showing which taxiways are available and which aren’t.
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 2 жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna They probably did read it, but that would have been hours ago when they prepared for the flight. It would be very easy to not remember something like that when you are preoccupied with landing the plane.
@flyboy803
@flyboy803 2 жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna if you've read notams for a 10 hour flight, you'll know that 95% are irrelevant and just clutter. Not to mention the fatigue at the end of the flight. Its definitely 100% pilot error, but they shouldn't have been put in that situation.
@giladnir4953
@giladnir4953 2 жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna true but on a commercial flight usually dispatch reads the notams and give a brief about it for the pilot add on that the fact the fact it's taxyway closure for after landing on a diffrent from home base airport. that's why it should have been in the atis as well
@PhillyAvGeek
@PhillyAvGeek 2 жыл бұрын
Habibi! wtf are you saying we're already established 🤣🤣
@avgravy
@avgravy 2 жыл бұрын
“habibi we’re established on the ils 33R” i love arabs lmao
@azooz277
@azooz277 2 жыл бұрын
😂، the pilot was mad tho
@avgravy
@avgravy 2 жыл бұрын
@@azooz277 i don’t think mad but confused
@PhillyAvGeek
@PhillyAvGeek 2 жыл бұрын
@@avgravy Arabic is my mother tongue and that Jazeera pilot was a little mad that he had to break his approach, he even was ready to say habibi we can see a little of the KLM tail still on the runway but we can clear it don't worry don't worry!
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 2 жыл бұрын
No one got ill or exasperated. Handled professionally all around!
@sidhu704
@sidhu704 2 жыл бұрын
2:04 I love how chilled that Jazeera pilot was, in true Arab fashion xD "Habibi we are established on the ILS... "
@tomsmith5584
@tomsmith5584 2 жыл бұрын
After the KLM pilot said, "thanks for your patience," the ATC should have said, "wait until we send you the bill."
@douglasphillips1203
@douglasphillips1203 2 жыл бұрын
"Do you need to be towed?" "No we have spent quite enough money for today and will already be getting yelled at by our company enough for today, thank you!"
@a.nelprober4971
@a.nelprober4971 2 жыл бұрын
2:03 VAS he opened the transmission with Habibi lol
@Attilablabla
@Attilablabla 2 жыл бұрын
I laughed so much. You can just hear the wtf in that choice of words
@DarrenBush
@DarrenBush 2 жыл бұрын
"Darling, we're established on the localizer..."
@sm5o485
@sm5o485 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarrenBush habibi can mean a variety of things depending on the tune it can mean darling also it can mean hey wtf are you talking about , LOL
@DarrenBush
@DarrenBush 2 жыл бұрын
@@sm5o485 I know, I just thought it was funny.
@Noah-xp5eb
@Noah-xp5eb 2 жыл бұрын
0:48 should say "and apparantly we are stuck here now" instead of "we are starting to clear now"
@PhillyAvGeek
@PhillyAvGeek 2 жыл бұрын
That's what he said 👍
@robertbutsch1802
@robertbutsch1802 2 жыл бұрын
VAS Aviation’s transcripts are not always accurate. KLM was saying they got off on the wrong taxiway but they think they are clear of the runway.
@PhillyAvGeek
@PhillyAvGeek 2 жыл бұрын
@Robert Butsch I didn't hear them saying they're clear or starting to clear what I heard is that they vacated the runway and "apparently we're stuck here now" those exact words. Listen to it again carefully you'll hear it.
@germanmafia
@germanmafia 2 жыл бұрын
KLM Pilots seems to love to taxi onto closed parts of the airport... didnt the same thing happen at Manila with a KLM 777?
@user-ml9mu9qe3v
@user-ml9mu9qe3v 2 жыл бұрын
2:03 "Habibi, we are established 33R" 😁
@eskinkc
@eskinkc 2 жыл бұрын
The use of Habibi made my day! I love that word and how it is used.
@tiadaid
@tiadaid 2 жыл бұрын
Not the first time they did this. They also did this in Manila a few years back!
@iaf22
@iaf22 2 жыл бұрын
every real pilot knows NOTAMS needs to change to a smarter system. 95% of the NOTAMS are non relevant to our flight, they just put a max info there to be 'legal' just in case of... not to inform, just to be legal. When a notam is so important as a closed twy that is used to exit an active runway... any normal airport would put that info into ATIS too. Was it the case here?
@EttiGamingTV
@EttiGamingTV 2 жыл бұрын
There was another video of yours that showed a KLM 777 turning onto a taxiway under construction in Manila...Funnily enough, the taxiway on which that 777 mistakenly entered was also E-5!
@wmsnowboarding336
@wmsnowboarding336 2 жыл бұрын
When you have a hundred worthless NOTAMs, it’s hard to dig through and find the one important one. One of these days we will catch up to 2022 but until then mistakes will happen. Great job by everyone for staying cool and working it out. No harm, no foul!
@colinpotter7764
@colinpotter7764 2 жыл бұрын
I worked in a Notam Office for 30 years, the vast majority are known as CMA Notam, short for cover my backside and are not worth issuing. This one should have never left the Notam Office in that format as it is coded incorrectly, it has been given a M code for miscellaneous, it's far too important for that. Feel free to browse ICA Annex 15 for full details. The plural of Notam is Notam, you will never hear them described as Notams in a Notam Office.
@micahsullivan1095
@micahsullivan1095 2 жыл бұрын
Tower instructed him to vacate E9, so he had no excuse. He still vacated on E5 even after being told not to
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
It appears the pilot was already exiting at E5, before he made his call to tower, then was instructed to vacate via E9. 33R is quite long, depending on where he touched down, there should have been sufficient time to advise KLM to vacate at the end or at E9. I doubt the controller maintained an eye on KLM, and missed that he was vacating on E5.
@russell2952
@russell2952 2 жыл бұрын
That may have been what the subtitles said but if you just listen it barely qualifies as english.
@brunotcs
@brunotcs 2 жыл бұрын
2:04 "Habibi!" 🤣🤣🤣
@bmitch3020
@bmitch3020 2 жыл бұрын
Woops. I wish the tower said "runway blocked, go around" instead of just telling other pilots to change frequency.
@RobertL1999
@RobertL1999 2 жыл бұрын
But that’s not what was necessary. The other aircraft was not going to immediately land but rather wait until the tower controller gave them clearance to land. There was more than enough time for them to re align with the other parallel runway
@alton4357
@alton4357 2 жыл бұрын
Go around is when u cancel the landing the aircraft didn't get its landing clearance so he shouldn't tell him to go around
@vbscript2
@vbscript2 2 жыл бұрын
There wasn't a need to send him around, but he should have said why he was sending him back to Approach on the first transmission. Just simply adding the worlds "runway blocked" to the beginning of his transmission would have been sufficient. Tower just sending a pilot who has been cleared for an approach back to Approach control with no explanation is confusing at best. I'm not sure how this country divides airspace and responsibilities between Approach and Tower, but my guess would be that Tower needed to send them back to Approach so that Approach could resequence them and decide whether they could side-step to the other runway or would just need to cancel their approach clearance and send them around the pattern.
@thejoyofflying182
@thejoyofflying182 2 жыл бұрын
@@alton4357 that´s wrong! The Tower tells you to go around even, when the clearence to land is not given. In Europe (compared to the US) the landing clearence is issued when the preceding aircraft leaves the runway (behind the hold short line) and there is no crossing traffic. With this in mind, the clearence to land was never given, but the order to go around. @sudo-bmitch is right. I would be suprised, too, when the tower controller just give me the frequency change to the approach controler without any explanation.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@alton4357 Sorry, "Go Around", is used whenever you do not want an aircraft to continue for the runway. Clearance given or not.
@Boodieman72
@Boodieman72 2 жыл бұрын
KLM made a mistake, ATC didn't makes things every clear afterwards.
@pierreplourde
@pierreplourde 2 жыл бұрын
That’s what we call, in technical terms, an “oopsy”.
@CooperRies
@CooperRies 2 жыл бұрын
2:04 the pilot calls him habibi lol
@yasinparti4385
@yasinparti4385 2 жыл бұрын
Great isn’t it 😂😂
@eskinkc
@eskinkc 2 жыл бұрын
This made me smile!
@ChristineSK
@ChristineSK 2 жыл бұрын
And tower replied him "sir" :( I admit I just googled the word because so many mentioned it in the comment, and it's Indeed hilarious.
@eskinkc
@eskinkc 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristineSK in my opinion, he used Habibi to help say I don’t want to argue, and I am not blaming you personally, but Help me understand why I need to change when I am established
@jazzi_0453
@jazzi_0453 2 жыл бұрын
The way the say inshallah etc on frequency is hilarious
@Szergej33
@Szergej33 2 жыл бұрын
A tug will come for you, if Allah wills it :D
@robertbutsch1802
@robertbutsch1802 2 жыл бұрын
Just their way of saying “good day” or “have a good one” are “have a safe flight.”
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@Szergej33 I had trainee in approach position, he had three inbound aircraft to the same runway. He descended all three to the same altitude, direct to the airport. I asked him, what will the aircraft do if they all lost radio contact with him. He brightly said, they would enter the hold over the airport, and based on their ETA, they would commence an approach to land. Yes, that is what ATC expects them to do. Now, I said, the only problem is, all three aircraft will be at the same altitude in the hold. Realising that he possibly created a bad situation, he quickly blurted out, "Inshallah, it will not happen". I instructed him to reassign different altitudes to two of the aircraft, and told him I did not certify Allah, to control air traffic at our airport.
@Crayton9172
@Crayton9172 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertbutsch1802 but it ain’t. Inshallah means if god wills. So he’s saying switch approach if god wills but god isn’t ATC
@kaasmeester5903
@kaasmeester5903 2 жыл бұрын
@@Crayton9172 Of course he is. Different airfield, though...
@YukariAkiyamaTanks
@YukariAkiyamaTanks 2 жыл бұрын
"Thank you so much for your patience" I guarantee the tower was fuming with anger
@Shamdouh1
@Shamdouh1 2 жыл бұрын
Habibi I am established on ILS lol
@mfelicio1
@mfelicio1 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine this situation in USA….i have a number for you
@DarrenBush
@DarrenBush 2 жыл бұрын
Inshallah means "God willing" but it also means "maybe." Sort of like we say God Bless You when someone sneezes. It's a super islamic thing to say, showing the uncertainty of the future. "I'll send safety...maybe." 🙂
@alton4357
@alton4357 2 жыл бұрын
As a Muslim and a native Arabic speaker I can tell that it doesn't really mean "maybe" saying inshallah is like saying" if god willed that thing will happen " it's like a way to show ur respect to God willing so its always used in muslims communities but it doesn't means that the person who's saying it saying( maybe maybe not )
@yavuz1833
@yavuz1833 2 жыл бұрын
When a person says inshaallah, s/he means that s/he is willing to do that thing, but as Allah is the creator of everything and we (his slaves) dont have the power to create, s/he says I aim to do this and, with Allah's willing it will happen. But the misusage of the word inshaallah by muslims, when they dont want to do a thing and can not say that they wont do it, led to the understanding that this person might not do it and inshaallah means maybe . "I will come tomorrow inshaallah" means I will come certainly but, there might be some obstacles beyond my power so I say with Gods willing I will come. Misusage is: I dont want to go and I say: "I will come inshaallah" so I mean I might not come.
@Murphy575
@Murphy575 2 жыл бұрын
@darren, right or wrong, your comment wins KZbin Imshallah
@SunnySydeRamsay
@SunnySydeRamsay 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully doth butter no parsnips.
@amb865
@amb865 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds pretty similar to a rural southern US saying: “I’ll be there (or I’ll do that thing) if the Good Lord’s willing and the creek don’t rise”
@113399
@113399 2 жыл бұрын
I've flown into OKBK at least 100 times in the past 5 years alone, NOTAMs aside the airport is extremely mismanaged. My airline usually has a standard 45 minute maximum turnaround time, but needs to extend it to an hour for Kuwait because of how slow everything is. I'm not at all surprised that it took them an entire 30 minutes to send a pushback truck to the aircraft. Keep it inshallah
@EdOeuna
@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын
The passengers certainly don’t rush to get on the plane.
@113399
@113399 2 жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna The gate system has improved over the years, but is still terrible. There's one specifically for Kuwait Airways, another for Jazeera, but the rest are all lumped together. I'm not saying slow passengers aren't to blame, but I think the larger flaw is within the boarding system itself.
@williamduncan7401
@williamduncan7401 2 жыл бұрын
@@113399 doesn't that depend greatly on the airline too?
@113399
@113399 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamduncan7401 Kuwait Airways is their flagship national carrier, Jazeera is their national low cost carrier. It makes sense that they're giving them priority, but having one entryway to multiple gates for different flights is a nightmare for other airlines and their passengers.
@GorgeDawes
@GorgeDawes 2 жыл бұрын
I loathe that place with a passion. The taxiways are horribly surfaced and confusingly laid out. I was quite surprised to hear ATC being patient and helpful in this clip, that has very much not been my experience whenever I have operated there. I was once shouted at by them for refusing to accept a Squawk code in my departure clearance that had 8s and 9s in it!
@volvodadfast
@volvodadfast 2 жыл бұрын
Real professionals own up to their mistakes.
@arkiefyler
@arkiefyler 2 жыл бұрын
Usually get this kind of info repeated on ATIS. Or better markings at runway/taxiway. Still the pilot's responsibility, of course.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
Usually, rwy and twy closures are on the ATIS. We do not know if it was on the ATIS. Markings are used on Closed rwys and twys, often with flashing red lights and vehicles blocking access. As a controller, knowing you have two exits that are blocked (E4 ,E5), an additional advisory to landing aircraft to taxi to the end may have prevented this. Also, the controller may not know what "paved" means. So he came back with a " I can hardly hear you", and "I cannot see you", Looking at twy E5, from the tower, that is 62 meters in height, KLM should have been visible. Controller was passing the problem off his hands as quickly as he could.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@RLTtizME Yes, your momma gave them to me!
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@RLTtizME Yes, your momma gave me some last night!
@jcl410
@jcl410 2 жыл бұрын
Tower did say to vacate on E9, but he could have emphasized it more... something like "roll all the way down to E9" maybe?
@LeantoPeak
@LeantoPeak 2 жыл бұрын
Some truck blocking the exit like they do one normal street roads would have also been a very simple and effective way to make sure no one would waste thousands of dollars in fuel going around...
@jackrussell680
@jackrussell680 2 жыл бұрын
Mistakes happen and being professional helps.
@DarkRider2k3
@DarkRider2k3 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just me (or maybe we don't have full audio comms) but when JZR1218 called up I felt like there was poor communication there. He seemed confused when told to go back to approach which I can understand why.
@Padarom
@Padarom 2 жыл бұрын
It's not just you. That pilot was established on the ILS and therefore got sent to the TWR. TWR just sent him back to APP without any explanation, so of course he's confused.
@DarkRider2k3
@DarkRider2k3 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Padarom I just wasn't sure if there was other communications in between. I'm shocked the tower didn't state "Go Around" or anything else...
@workingguy-OU812
@workingguy-OU812 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. Great comms.
@bq0bp
@bq0bp 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you include Habibi?
@allanorellana2322
@allanorellana2322 2 жыл бұрын
Look into the Qatar airways diversion a couple of days ago…smoke coming out of the cargo hold
@Ztbmrc1
@Ztbmrc1 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a sign at the beginning of the exit E5 to indicate it is closed?
@fridbertaugust
@fridbertaugust 2 жыл бұрын
Or a police oficer waving a flashlight
@mathieuclement8011
@mathieuclement8011 2 жыл бұрын
You'd want to avoid obstructions that close to the runway
@mango7862
@mango7862 2 жыл бұрын
Well done … seriously well done !!! How about you check Notams next time turbo ???
@gulthepilot
@gulthepilot 2 жыл бұрын
Surely It's a cup of tea at the head office.
@kabaddiify
@kabaddiify 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if this incident happened at the JFK .... all hell would break loose among the controllers and the pilot lol
@NBT2469
@NBT2469 2 жыл бұрын
That’s an understatement!
@jazzi_0453
@jazzi_0453 2 жыл бұрын
00:53 he said "we are stuck here now"
@MahmoudMohammed-nu5pg
@MahmoudMohammed-nu5pg 2 жыл бұрын
0:22 the ATC said : " welcome to Kuwait " not " when ready vacate "
@conlethbyrne4809
@conlethbyrne4809 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody is perfect.
@MEU2k
@MEU2k 2 жыл бұрын
Why the exit was closed, were they drilling for oil reserve exploration 😅
@yasinparti4385
@yasinparti4385 2 жыл бұрын
No they were probably fighting off Americans trying to steal the oil lol
2 жыл бұрын
In Amsterdam the runway controller always calls a closed runway exit during the landing clearance. Would have been better if the runway contoller Said after the Landing Clearance Exit E5 is closed.
@matthendricks9666
@matthendricks9666 2 жыл бұрын
I am surprised that this does not happen on a daily basis. In the NOTAMS there are tons of meaningless informations. And somewhere in between them there are always some " gemstones" hidden. Blah..blah..bla... for pages and pages....and on page 3 : " Airport Closed "
@ericleiser33
@ericleiser33 2 жыл бұрын
I bet it was on the atis too though. Closed taxiways aren't small potatoes.
@albert5205
@albert5205 2 жыл бұрын
please make a video on qatar 579 flown from dehli to doha diverted to karachi the flight was diverted due to fog in cargo .equipment was a350 date 21 march 00:12 zulu time and 5:10 local time at karachi
@CapStar362
@CapStar362 2 жыл бұрын
what happened to those TDZ Lines? they are a bit drunk me thinks :P
@SwordQuake2
@SwordQuake2 2 жыл бұрын
>can you go back Ah, yes, because aeroplanes are famous for having a reverse...
@PhillyAvGeek
@PhillyAvGeek 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, I use reverse thrust to powerback in a simulator 🤣
@marcghiggeri4965
@marcghiggeri4965 2 жыл бұрын
Technically I believe its possible to use reverse thrust to back a plane up without assistance - but I believe its pretty much a prohibited maneuver. Its also possible that the controller meant could they turn around using the gear (I was on a A320 that aborted takeoff - we just 180 on the runway - went back to the starting point and 180 again) - but on a taxi way its probably to tight to do
@PhillyAvGeek
@PhillyAvGeek 2 жыл бұрын
@Marc Ghiggeri oh yeah it's possible and it was used by tail mounted engine planes 50 years ago to powerback from the gate, but for wing mounted engines it's more dangerous as the engines can suck in everything around them and get damaged. A new technology being developed uses an electric motor in the landing gear will enable airplanes to power back, they just need a rear view mirror 🤣
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 жыл бұрын
@@PhillyAvGeek A mirror and a REALLY loud beeper for when they go in reverse! 🤣
@vbscript2
@vbscript2 2 жыл бұрын
@@PhillyAvGeek 50 years ago? Try more like 15-20. Northwest and American used to do powerbacks frequently in the 90s and even some into the early 2000s.
@darrenwong5539
@darrenwong5539 2 жыл бұрын
Not the first time they did it. Last was in RPLL.
@firewalker1372
@firewalker1372 2 жыл бұрын
@2:04 did he say habibi??
@eskinkc
@eskinkc 2 жыл бұрын
Yep and it was awesome
@megadavis5377
@megadavis5377 2 жыл бұрын
ATIS should first highlight the fact that several taxiways are closed - something like: "CAUTION, multiple taxiways closed; check NOTAMS." It should then broadcast a specific list, naming only the most consequential ones - those which would logically be expected to be used in the course of normal operations at the current time. If you're operating a two or three-pilot flight deck, you have the luxury of having one pilot dedicated to checking the NOTAMS for these closures carefully. If you're a single-pilot operation it's gonna be tougher to ascertain which taxiways are closed. But most of us have the ability to do the checking well in advance of arriving into the terminal area. Let's give diligence to the things which require it. Use your time wisely.
@eddiejones.redvees
@eddiejones.redvees 2 жыл бұрын
Do the airport ground works have a truck with a big arrow light on it like they have on motorways
@vbscript2
@vbscript2 2 жыл бұрын
On runways, it's a big lighted 'X'. On taxiways, it's usually just red and white barriers with red flashing lights on top.
@RonPiggott
@RonPiggott 2 жыл бұрын
A human pilot. What a concept!
@andrewthomson
@andrewthomson 2 жыл бұрын
Blasphemy
@liamkiney4124
@liamkiney4124 2 жыл бұрын
KLM: "We put the wait into Kuwait"
@fridbertaugust
@fridbertaugust 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Druid_Plow
@Druid_Plow 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda surprised they didn't see any obstructions or anything visual to make it obvious it was a closed taxiway.
@queeny5613
@queeny5613 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@Antonio_4
@Antonio_4 2 жыл бұрын
Those 3 dots at 0:42 translate to: "k#t, k%t, k@t, KUUUUUT!!" (if you know, you know)
@hkr667
@hkr667 2 жыл бұрын
When you hear the pilot on comms reply "nee", the captain probably said before that "hier kenne we nie langs hè..."
@Zerbey
@Zerbey 2 жыл бұрын
"We can't pass here" or something.
@avation792
@avation792 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please always type the date of incidents and by the way what date is that KLM?
@garythompson2517
@garythompson2517 2 жыл бұрын
A few cones or a blockage would help
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын
That's a terrible idea
@fridbertaugust
@fridbertaugust 2 жыл бұрын
@@VASAviation exactly! What a nonsense. There should be a policeman with a wistle and a flashlight
@windmill1965
@windmill1965 2 жыл бұрын
Where did this incident happen? Usually that is described at the start of the video, but not this time.
@brch2
@brch2 2 жыл бұрын
OKBK is Kuwait International Airport.
@whuangjaison6931
@whuangjaison6931 2 жыл бұрын
why did the pilot ask if it is paved, regarding to left the taxiway?(also what is "it"? what should be paved or not?)
@CapStar362
@CapStar362 2 жыл бұрын
taxiways and runways have extended soft pavement, the name of the stuff escapes my head at the moment, but its basically a soft palette of pavement that stop erosion.
@marcospark2803
@marcospark2803 2 жыл бұрын
The arab guy has never heard the word "paved" in his life.
@galdavonalgerri2101
@galdavonalgerri2101 2 жыл бұрын
correct. He is trying to find out if it the same thing as shaved.
@RonaiHenrik
@RonaiHenrik 2 жыл бұрын
They really should find some better solution for NOTAM. Make it pop somehow :D
@fhuber7507
@fhuber7507 2 жыл бұрын
When you goof... admit it. (Then the airline hands the pilot the tow bill.)
@feiti5879
@feiti5879 2 жыл бұрын
imagine having to wait 30 mins after landing damn
@brsseb
@brsseb 2 жыл бұрын
Guessing by the tone of the english accent, it sounds like the pilot might be norwegian? 🇳🇴
@FlyLeah
@FlyLeah 2 жыл бұрын
I hear that too!
@fabianhartman1138
@fabianhartman1138 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds more Swedish to me tbh
@nethacker91
@nethacker91 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Finnish.
@ronmac1832
@ronmac1832 2 жыл бұрын
Not only is the NOTAM system flawed, why not simply put up some obvious indicator at the taxiway entrance?
@pontmercy8
@pontmercy8 2 жыл бұрын
Which airport is this?
@sbrk
@sbrk 2 жыл бұрын
Okbk is Kuwait.
@pontmercy8
@pontmercy8 2 жыл бұрын
@@sbrk thank you!
@santhoshprakasam4827
@santhoshprakasam4827 2 жыл бұрын
So typical of Kuwait 😀
@PrayingToTheAlien
@PrayingToTheAlien 2 жыл бұрын
KLM thinks they're clear when they are not? Where have I heard this before?!
@MlvnJournal
@MlvnJournal 2 жыл бұрын
Can you... eehh... go back 🙏 please
@theMoerster
@theMoerster 2 жыл бұрын
KLM497, we vacated.................poorly
@tictoc4156
@tictoc4156 2 жыл бұрын
-We are at echo 1, we just crossed echo 8. Is that truck still around?
@csterett
@csterett 2 жыл бұрын
The KLM pilot was left with egg on his face.
@Jopanaguiton
@Jopanaguiton 2 жыл бұрын
Wow the controllers here are a lot nicer to KLM than when KLM did the same thing in RPLL. KLM pilots should read the notams more carefully as they have a habit using a closed taxi way. Inshallah to the controller.
@christiannnnnnnnnn
@christiannnnnnnnnn 2 жыл бұрын
Reading all the published notams just for a one hour vfr private flight takes about 15 to 20 minutes. I think in this specific case, the tower could've given an info while they were still on long final. But the tower controller seems like he's unable to do such things because he was struggling to even do the 'normal " controller stuff
@timi7844
@timi7844 2 жыл бұрын
Wait? No do you have pen and paper for a phone number?
@VidClips858
@VidClips858 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that phrase is a US/FAA only thing.
@timi7844
@timi7844 2 жыл бұрын
@@VidClips858 thanks. Obviously, I’m not a pilot.
@azvojda
@azvojda 2 жыл бұрын
sending trucks inshallah ... 30 minutes later ... why so much hurry
@jelof21
@jelof21 2 жыл бұрын
didn't KLM also do the same in MNL a few years back? also another taxiway under construction
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Video available
@FarikoUnited1
@FarikoUnited1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was my recommended video at the end card and it made me laugh to realize it was a different incident also covered by VASAviation involving KLM.
@ragheadand420roll
@ragheadand420roll 2 жыл бұрын
The notam system is junk Cant even tell u when a local airport has a control twr
@Alssdkdf-Afwefjsdkjf
@Alssdkdf-Afwefjsdkjf 2 жыл бұрын
What airport is this? Dubai?
@FarikoUnited1
@FarikoUnited1 2 жыл бұрын
kuwait. The OKBK in the subtitles is the airport code of kuwait international.
@flyerdon3116
@flyerdon3116 2 жыл бұрын
What, no phone number to call?
@VidClips858
@VidClips858 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't happen in the US.
@williamevans1708
@williamevans1708 2 жыл бұрын
30 minutes later 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@velhogenezio
@velhogenezio 2 жыл бұрын
Habbibi we made mistake because se two speak Arab and we arr talking um engresh insted habibi
@leandrooliveira7019
@leandrooliveira7019 2 жыл бұрын
Se fosse aqui o áudio teria palavrões... Kkk brasileiro não perdoa
@fridbertaugust
@fridbertaugust 2 жыл бұрын
E depois sairiam juntos pro boteco
@yamakazi1275
@yamakazi1275 2 жыл бұрын
Again?????
@noeldown1952
@noeldown1952 2 жыл бұрын
Where did this happen?
@Sim737Pilot
@Sim737Pilot 2 жыл бұрын
Blame the FO, lol.
@AsmarterWorld
@AsmarterWorld 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@kaimeier8528
@kaimeier8528 2 жыл бұрын
Oops lol
@EdOeuna
@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын
They’ve had a 6 hour flight to read NOTAMS and prepare for the landing. Surely, in all that time, they can appreciate the runway environment they’ll be landing on.
@PearlClanWardenAkari
@PearlClanWardenAkari 2 жыл бұрын
Ah KLM... always heading into a closed taxiway.
@hkr667
@hkr667 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes they also head on an unvacated runway though
@foxw875
@foxw875 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing the tower call a pilot "habibi" is eyebrow raising. Isn't that a term of endearment? For example you don't normally hear tower call pilots darling or love etc. Seems unprofessional?
@GA669
@GA669 2 жыл бұрын
There are Arabs there are not supposed to be professional
@kaasmeester5903
@kaasmeester5903 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't it just mean "pal"?
@foxw875
@foxw875 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaasmeester5903 not from what I understand
@saiff541
@saiff541 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaasmeester5903 yes, it can mean buddy or pal.
@eskinkc
@eskinkc 2 жыл бұрын
Different parts of the world commonly use habibi as brotherly love not necessarily romantic. And is perfectly acceptable to use it in respectful conversation
@indranimaharaj507
@indranimaharaj507 2 жыл бұрын
Which airport is this?
@davidhartin8215
@davidhartin8215 2 жыл бұрын
Kuwait
@indranimaharaj507
@indranimaharaj507 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhartin8215 Ahh I see thx
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