Emirates B777 has Bomb Threat at Warsaw | Airport Closed

[@VASAviation]

ATC geeks, would you like an untrimmed video with all the communications during airport closure? Reply and like this comment if you would.

[@rocky_williams]

I think the untrimmed video of the response on the ground would be interesting.

[@coreymcdonald7745]

That would be very interesting

[@ruth7965]

Yes pls

[@C.Y.123]

I think your judgement when editing is great. If the information is interesting, then you include it.

[@reigningmonarch]

Yes please

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Pilot: what kind of hazardous materials? Ground: Yes

[@davenz000]

You have an Aladeen threat against the aircraft. Aladeen? Yes. Aladeen.

[@yogipratama3583]

@@davenz000 they had to say Aladeen instead of Aladeen for safety reason

[@garridojared]

bro imagine just being that pilot and you’re told that there is a bomb threat on your plane.. man that feeling would be unimaginable, you have 200 lives on your plane.. and you’re getting delay vectors😐

[@pauldavies4870]

And you've just wasted 4 mins in the air by letting another plane get in front of you when really, you should have landed asap

[@garridojared]

@@pauldavies4870 exactly.. i don’t understand the atc’s logic

[@briansmyla8696]

lol most bomb threats are false anyway.

[@jamescollier3]

lol. You have a bomb, please hold lol

[@einokalonen1313]

Oh c'mon, you don't really mean that! It was because of Finnair. They are punctual and have a very good record.

[@nathanvermeulen8392]

ATC will usually (try to) avoid pronouncing words related to unlawful interference such as "bomb" or "explosives", until pilots mentioned them themselves to ATC. This is to avoid worsening the situation if suspects are present in the cockpit.

[@mr.clanni9930]

The bad guys are not as stupid as the ATC think. If they were in the cockpit and they heard the word suspicious material/hazardous material/dangerous material, they would know that ATC is talking about them haha

[@nathanvermeulen8392]

@@mr.clanni9930 It's part of a global procedure. In this context, yes of course the "bad guys" would know what ATC is talking about, but iw would be less obvious and attention-drawing. It is just a rather tricky situation where you don't want to create panic, and where you need to explain what is going on without, if possible, using some words...

[@JonathanRockway]

I'm just imagining the hijackers talking amongst themselves, "wait, which of you idiots brought a bomb on board"

[@dominicnotley5076]

@@nathanvermeulen8392 has more to do with trying not to let everyone with scanners listening in start broadcasting information before it has landed, imagine finding out on social media that your family's aircraft has a bomb on board would be horrible

[@thmsrttg]

Didn't think about that initially... That's pretty smart.

[@simonhutchings6256]

I’m impressed with how laid back the Emirates pilot was when informed he had a Haz Mat problem on board his 773 .

[@biketimist6943]

He sounds australian - that would explain a lot

[@jamessymon8540]

@@biketimist6943 pilot: sighs... Now I have to find the bigger check list...

[@Kalikus808]

Hazardous materials are often shipped on planes. Bombs, which are not "hazardous materials", are not.

[@jacobcornelius1278]

I mean you’re in the air in a flying aluminum tube, bomb on board or not what good is losing your shit really gonna do lol…..

[@Aussiecbeer]

Yep he’s an Aussie

[@MoparNewport]

From the tone of ATC, i get the impression they were not in full control of the situation - that is, they were being given orders from outside their tower. Cant imagine the stress load thatd place on the crews involved.

[@timp1390]

it needs to be relayed to the company so providing detail needs to be done in an appropriate manner.

[@Kalikus808]

If you're ATC, no one gives you 'orders', they give you information. ATC should never be working with incomplete information. Security at this airport is doing a terrible job. Need to be fully investigated.

[@thenessbi]

they are not out of control of the situation, being an ATC in this kind of situation is pretty hard not to trip on some words, nor saying the same thing again and not having some kind of stress in your voice especially if the ATC is new or never had this situation. Plus noone gave orders outside the tower but they can't say ( its a rule) that the plane has a bomb onboard and maybe they were told later on that it was a bomb. ATC at first maybe knew something was wrong from the duty managers but didnt know the threat yet

[@Kalikus808]

@@thenessbi that's not a rule at all.

[@thenessbi]

@@Kalikus808 it is, pilot cant explicitly say they have a bomb onboard, either its the airport operations that has to transmit the info direct via a call, you can't say it on the radio frequency. Same goes for the 7700, ATC cant explicitly ask if they are really squawking 7700. I work as an ATC so i know some safety rules. The frequencies are not guarded nor secret so you can't risk talking about such a thing in direct comm where verybody with a scanner can listen to you especially terrorist if any

[@juanpedropedraja1614]

In this situation, it is to be assumed that the ATC is doing what they are told to do, they are only responding to orders from a security officer. You can't judge their work without having all the information available.

[@noahwilliams8918]

No, but we can judge the security officers for putting them in that position! Such a stupid idea…unnecessary risk to the pax for longer than needed just because they lacked a realistic understanding of how ATC works.

[@GZimmermann]

Yes you can. He was informed there was a bomb threat and chose to use vague terms to mention it until the very last moment. There is no excuse to get the plane on the ground ASAP, even you hinting that whoever had the bomb on board was listening to the comms.

[@Gaspode_]

@@GZimmermann Was he? How do you know at what point he was told it was a bomb threat?

[@jackblack2370]

Sir, I'm afraid you have a bomb on board ... anyhoo, could you please accept delay vectors so we don't have to inconvenience Finnair which fortunately does not have any bombs on board?

[@C2K777]

IFKR! Unbelievable! 😠

[@pistonburner6448]

No-one said they have a bomb onboard. Only that there was a threat made which warrants an investigation. And since it's Russians making bomb threats to harass Polish aviation due to political reasons it's more of a nuisance than a real threat.

[@chrisschack9716]

@@pistonburner6448 Initially, it's more like they were talking around the threat.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@chrisschack9716 What are you talking about and why? I said something 100% correct: no-one claimed that there is a bomb on the plane, only that there was a possibility. And we all know that possibility is very remote, and they just have to make precautionary checks.

[@C2K777]

@@pistonburner6448 Rule #1 when there MIGHT be a bomb: ALWAYS proceed as if there IS a bomb. This is a universal standard and approach across all industries, government and civil institutions. It matters not if it's the Russian's or little Jimmy from 27 Annoyance Avenue showing off to his friends during spring break. You ALWAYS operate on the basis that the device is real. That it is viable and that there will be loss of life. Until you can verify otherwise.

[@pplusbthrust]

No problem, we will hold airborne with stuff that might explode for a while so other flights won't be inconvenienced. Over & OUT.

[@michaelmartin8331]

I was thinking the same exact thing! I also noticed that he didn’t tell the pilot that there was a bomb on board until after he resequenced the other guy in front of them. Yeah, no problem, put me in a holding pattern while we have a bomb on board! Ridiculous!

[@canadagood]

@@michaelmartin8331 Also not until they are in final approach. "By the way, now that you in the critical phase of flight and have to keep your full attention on procedures, YOU HAVE A BOMB ON BOARD! Have a good day and Welcome to Warsaw".

[@sigmasquadleader]

We'll become someone else's problem eventually, thanks tower!

[@sirankleknocker3122]

pretty sure they have to do checklists for emergencies

[@pplusbthrust]

@@sirankleknocker3122 Unless the conversation was edited the pilot did not ask to hold. That decision should be made by PIC.

[@alexanderpedersen1401]

1:44 I did not expect them to put someone's (a lot of people's) inconvenience of a 1 hour delay (or alternate airport landing) over a potential dangerous situation, even if it only meant 2-3 minutes delay for the Emirates flight.

[@mathiskra]

Wow now I know the reason.. AF1246 from Paris was Right over Warsaw when they got told to divert to Berlin. Then I saw them about 2 hours on the ground. And they changed callsign to AF1048 with destination Warsaw but right after takeoff from Berlin they headed west probably back to Paris. Still in the air now. Poor passengers

[@AaronShenghao]

I don't think it's very related, EK177 is supposed to land at Warsaw anyway. Did AF1246 also got a threat?

[@mathiskra]

@@AaronShenghao well I don’t know, but I don’t think so. It’s in so far related as they had to divert because of the airport being closed. I had a friend on board who was supposed to go to Warsaw but ended up in Berlin not being allowed to deboard the plane and weren’t provided with any reason. That’s why I said that I know now the real reason. Anyways he landed safely in Paris now again after about 5 hours :D

[@kusamagaming7375]

@@mathiskra sad hope everything went well I was in a similar situation 8 years ago flying from Paris to London

[@teelo12000]

I don't understand the logic with not letting them deboard in Berlin. I've seen it in other situations, too. A train broke down between Wellington and Lower Hutt in New Zealand in 2011, and was stuck in place for 6 hours. Nobody was allowed to get off the train. All the other tracks were closed anyway due to the breakdown, but they refused to get facilities to help the passengers deboard if they chose to. All they could do was wait for repairs. Or for someone to pull the emergency release lever to force their way out.

[@fhuber7507]

They were avoiding saying the "B word" on the frequency... Probably to reduce those monitoring the frequency from starting some form of panic (or rush of news media to the airport to watch the plane blow up)

[@C2K777]

It's almost as if there's a fucking code they could've sent to the plane IF they were that bothered and even remotely professional.

[@jetaerobatics]

Can't believe emirates was held off for other traffic when there was a bomb threat. It should've been vectored in, clear of built up areas, and put on the ground asap.

[@vbscript2]

As a pilot, I'd be pretty upset if ATC gave me delay vectors to let another aircraft in ahead of me and then, after delaying me, told me, "Oh, by the way, you may have a bomb on board." "You may have some hazmat" isn't an especially big deal. Planes fly with hazmat every day. Potentially having a *bomb on board* is a completely different matter and the flight crew should have been informed ASAP and given priority over everything else. Completely unrelated: It's kind of amusing to see "SPAMR" flying around... especially in Eastern Europe.

[@jedrekros]

SP-AMR is just a registration so it's used as a callsign sometimes Polish registrations begin with SP Aaaand Poland is in the Central Europe ;)

[@wyskass861]

Not sure if landing a few minutes early would make much of a difference with a bomb. Triggers can either be air pressure for altitude sensing or timers. Unlikely that it would be timed to go off in the last 5 minutes of the flight schedule, and expedited landing would make no difference if set to increasing air pressure to sense approach to landing. Just saying, time makes little difference here.

[@vbscript2]

@@jedrekros Yes, I know that SP-ARM is the registration and that registrations are generally used as callsigns in general aviation (I'm a GA pilot myself.) I just thought it was funny.

[@vbscript2]

@@wyskass861 That depends on how the bomb got onboard and how it was supposed to be triggered. The actual bomb on Northwest 253 was indeed planned to be (manually) detonated in the last few minutes of flight, for example. Thankfully, it didn't work. The pilots need to know ASAP so that they can inform the cabin crew to be on the lookout for anything suspicious and also because, still being alive up to that point, their odds of remaining alive in the event of an actual bomb on board improve the sooner they can get on the ground and evacuate the aircraft.

[@wyskass861]

@@vbscript2 Yea I suppose you're right.

[@tonyshield5368]

Sounds like the security people do not understand a Captain's needs for safety and ATC do not have a plan for a bomb or dangerous cargo event.

[@tcruise77]

Some of you conveniently assumed the Approach controller had full knowledge of possible bomb onboard and, purposely withheld that info and made a delay vector on Emirates for Finnair. The approach controller already mentioned few times he doesn't have much info, will get back when he has a detailed info.

[@coop3g]

"Hazardous materials, let's just say that" implies he knows what is on board and is not sure of the precautions and policy covering this situation.

[@em68855]

so why would he not give priority to emirates and divert finnair

[@tcruise77]

@@coop3g Hazardous materials could be anything. He wasn't sure, so why would he guess/speculate on something which he wasn't 100% sure? So that he can land in hot soup later for making unnecessary claims?

[@ma3n636]

Many goods classify as 'Hazardous', telling the pilot that they have hazardous materials on board is almost meaningless.

[@MinorLG]

Yeah they probably should have said a device. Y'all have a hazardous device on board

[@wainwj11]

They are not telling the pilot he may have hazards on board in order for the pilot to act on this. They are telling the pilot what actions to expect from ground staff and security services once on the ground. Such as parking remotely for an hour or so.

[@RURNTZR]

@StayInAlive thats wrong for several reasons - its not formal - probably doesn’t comply with ATC or Radio communication guides - instills panic, which can be extremely dangerous as well.

[@MADEINNSW]

it is standard that if you are acutely notified, it is an imediate danger and risk to human life.

[@MADEINNSW]

@StayInAlive They treat the situation like the person carrying the bomb can hear the conversation, so they avoid suspicion by avoiding key words.

[@kusamagaming7375]

Wow what a nightmare you can hear the sadness in pilots voice after he hears this

[@onyxbradshaw6157]

I would be very upset that we were asked to let the other aircraft land ahead of us with vague wording about the issue on board. Then after the other plane is vectors in front of us ATC says outright that it's a bomb. 😡

[@vbscript2]

Same. "We wouldn't want Finnair to have to divert, do you mind risking your life along with a couple hundred others for whom you're responsible so that FInnair can save some fuel and passenger inconvenience?" I'm guessing Finnair would have just diverted instead of being vectored in front of Emirates if ATC had already stated the real nature of the emergency. Pilots normally don't request to be vectored in front of potentially time-critical emergencies.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

The aircraft ahead was more than 10 miles ahead, it wasn’t causing a problem, the “delay vector” would have added only a few seconds to the touchdown time of the Emirates

[@irisfields1659]

Wow that's a shocker good luck to pilot and safe landingif this somebody's idea of a joke person or. Persons send them directly to jail

[@codemonkey2k5]

Yeah not sure I'd be to happy with how that all played out. Especially the delay if you were a passenger. And all the cloak and dagger hazardous materials BS only served to make the whole incident stand out even more. If you don't want to blurt our bomb over the radio, just have them call company for more info. Simple. If you think that hiding the truth from the Pilot is going to keep him from getting distracted, the worst thing you can do is leave an issue up to someone's imagination. Hell I'd be thinking radiation, poison... but the bottom line is I'd be thinking about what it could be and not what I'm doing.

[@jamescollier3]

Today, it's more important to be PC. That AlWaYs works

[@ronik24]

@@jamescollier3 PC? What are you talking about? PC only means not being prejudiced against other people because of features they can't change and expressing this in your language. It means this and only this, nothing else. It does not mean hiding anything in any context, it does not mean you cannot swear, it does not mean anything of any sort you are proposing.

[@the_bottomfragger]

@@jamescollier3 That is an issue in certain places, definitely not here. First of all, none of this was communicated differently because of offensive language, I'm pretty certain. Also, PC culture in Poland and US are very different/at different stages. Not everyone has taken it miles too far.

[@demi3115]

oh, booohooo delay.

[@jamescollier3]

@@ronik24 that's a liberal for you: having to check the news / dictionary to see their current opinion. PC = "Not saying the truth as harshly", like moron vs mentality handicapped, or black vs African American, or person of color, or bomb vs dangerous goods...

[@mrpog2038]

It's quite alarming that ATC decided not to inform the pilots of the aircraft with all the (highly important) infos he had available. It's a huge difference whether it's just some kind of hazardous material or a bomb which is an acute danger for all the people onboard. Giving the Emirates aircraft delay vectors to let other flights land before the airport closure is disturbing, the priorities should have definitely been set differently...

[@DISOPtv]

I mean, they are already setting up for approach, so it would have no value to scare them as they are already doing the fastest way to get down anyway.

[@raygale4198]

No it's the same hazard, a box of Lithium batteries going nuclear or unstable chemicals presents exactly the same hazard. It would have been clearer if ATC had said 'unstable hazardous material'

[@somebuddy8702]

@@DISOPtv sorry that is bullshit. That info is highly important for the crew. The are strict guidlines for cockpit crews in case of bomb threats. But in order to execute them they need to know that they potentially have a bomb on board. Hazardous material could also be that someone put some batteries on your plane. Also that information does not scare the pilots, they are trained to handle these situations, so if you have info give the info to the people who actually fly the plane. I mean the crew would have very likely not accepted any delay vectors for a Finnair flight if they knew there could be a bomb on board. So it would definetley be of value

[@pawii111]

It was them, there were more false alarms lately because of some stupid strike of air traffic controllers.

[@phillee2814]

@@somebuddy8702 It is pretty important to verify that the cockpit is secure and that it is, in fact, the proper pilots who are in control - giving delay vectors like that is one way it can be done.

[@bd5289]

2 questions 1 - why would ATC ask if Emirates wants to evacuate when he hasn't even been told what's going on? 2 - what happened to Spinnaker 2751? He only had 1 hour wait time, but airport closed for two hours.

[@hansvonmannschaft9062]

My humble opinion is that if ATC, knowing there was a chance they had a "kinder surprise" onboard, still asked them to let someone else land first, one can only imagine the amount of Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Sierra the guys at the tower would give for poor Spinnaker 2751.

[@bwktlcn]

It makes me wonder if they thought the bomber was listening to their conversation with all of that “hazardous material malarkey. But when they kept saying what are you intentions, I’d have lost it. To NOT BLOW UP, that’s my intention!

[@Noah-xp5eb]

0:36 is "you can expect some *actions* on the ground, but I'm not sure what kind of *actions*...

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for that

[@if860]

On top of that there is also ATCs protest (and planned strike) ongoing in Poland due to salary being far behind european market, huge workload, and being overworked. About 20 controllers quit the job in PANSA, so Polish government (ugh) minister by the name of Marcin Horała said that "consequences will be extremely unpleasant for them" and he will try to draft them into the military and force them to work as air traffic controllers.

[@good.morning.everyone]

The idea that ATC withheld critical information about a specific threat of a bomb aboard a passenger airplane, AND THEN asked them to accept delay vectors without them fully understanding the gravity of the situation is reprehensible.

[@aps-pictures9335]

Thank you!!

[@spudgun1978]

Agreed, I thought that the ATC not giving him the info then delaying the flight, he wants fired. I would be FEWMIN!!!

[@mikek5298]

Another keyboard warrior that passes judgment without knowing the facts.

[@demi3115]

Maybe there was a reason for that, huh.

[@jamescollier3]

Maybe they wanted to be PC, as that AlWaYs helps

[@WojtekDX]

Currently we have ongoing dispute between ATC union and authorities about new contract, some suggested that two bomb threats had something to do with this situation.

[@rilmar2137]

There was at least one more bomb threat the very same day in Poland, a PLL LOT flight from Prague to Warsaw

[@666hammerofgods666]

and another 3 the previous day

[@seth_alapod]

Oh man. What a pain. I wonder if this is linked to the war in Ukraine and Poland's position on Russia.

[@kozmabalazs]

In Budapest there have been almost a dozen bomb threats in shopping malls and mass transportation depots. Very strange coincidence.

[@nmrmak]

In Serbia we had 4 shopping mall bomb threats the other day and almost every plane departing from Belgrade to anywhere in Russia gets a bomb tip from an anonymous email address...

[@coreymcdonald7745]

🙄🙄🙄 “do you want to evacuate on taxiway C?” What a stupid question to ask when the pilots don’t know the nature of their ATC-issued emergency… “hazardous materials” means nothing.

[@pieterwasalreadytaken]

This! My mouth felt open when I heard that question. And then come with the reveiling he has a bomb. Utter madness..

[@SimpleTakeoffs]

That Finnair had a schedule to keep.

[@mcwolf]

i don't understand why ATC asked Emirates to give way to another plane when he knew it is a bomb threat. Shouldn't he prioritize it to land first?

[@iurigravito7990]

Yes.

[@paulbangert6005]

Kind of strange. I understand the difficult circumstances and the fact that ATC is probably stressed out like crazy, trying to resolve this situation in the best way possible, however I find a few actions quite strange: First of all, the amount of information seems unnecessary and ATC kind of just says the same thing multiple times in the beginning, occupying the frequency and not really saying anything of significance in those messages. Mainly the fact that information is from Tower and that there are "suspicious materials", even the pilots seem a bit confused by this and don't really know how to respond, except by saying "okay, copied, let us know once you know more". Then, the controller of a controlled airport requests an airplane whether or not they may do a certain thing (in this case clear a different plane first), which is just strange. You're the controller, you know best what to do and how to organize things. Just do it. Then I also find it odd to ask the pilots what kind of assistance they need. How would they know? They don't even know what kind of "suspicious item" they have on board. A bomb threat is way different to, let's say, radioactive materials or drugs or something. The information about the closure of the airport seems out of place too, they're kind of in the middle of trying to figure out what problem they have on board, while letting a different plane land first - the fact that the AD will close after landing just seems mundane and quite frankly unimportant. The "b-word" is luckily being spoken towards the end and it is clear by the communication of the pilots that they wish to land ASAP and possibly would not have complied with the request of letting another plane go first, which to me just shows that the first part of the communications seems to have been a bit poor on ATC side. Finally - if there is a bomb threat and the AD will close, why would you let any plane land there, increase your own workload and possibly put people of that plane in danger, while also leaving a plane with a bomb on board longer in the air than necessary? I know this is some harsh criticism and I am fully aware how stressful things like these can be. I also know that ATC does fantastic things all around the world and they're there to help, not to make life harder. I am also by no means a super professional on this topic - I simply think the situation could've been handled better. Thanks for the video!

[@abeerb8555]

agree with everything, i frankly thought the atc was incompetent for a large part of the video

[@CaseyP]

I think there's procedures that general public is not aware of, for obvious reason. But the way the ATC is speaking at the beginning seems like he is actively trying NOT to say the word, which is why it takes way longer to formulate sentences then towards the end. He was lying on purpose

[@themilksnatcher]

Surely every second counts. 3 minute delay to let another aircraft land so they don't have to wait an hour?! Them 3 minutes they could have everyone off of the plane

[@sarahalbers5555]

Ikr? What were they thinking?

[@aileronsintowind6835]

Ever thought not every airport has a bomb disposal team ? That it takes time to get those resources to the airport ? To assess the situation and to gain as much intel about the device. Is it timer triggered, remote triggered, gps triggered? What’s the main compound ? PE4, dynamite, etc. Is there a chemical compound threat with it etc. The time it takes to build a bigger picture of the situation and to liaise with the multiple departments that decide the solution and pass to the ATC controllers all takes time. Yes there are protocols to follow. Take the emotion out of it, keep them circling until a plan is in place should something go wrong.

[@sirankleknocker3122]

They were close to their destination, which means they might have had lower fuel, as well as the fact they were FAR ahead of the triple 7. As said before, that would only take a few seconds away from the emirates’ evacuation. What’s your problem?

[@donwald3436]

0:57 pilot: wtf is this guy talking about

[@Zerbey]

All this bomb stuff going on and I'm chuckling at the fact that SPAMR was absolutely adamant about doing his entire call sign.

[@aps-pictures9335]

06:04 - what a ridiculous question from controller, ‘do you want to instigate a major evacuation onto the tarmac with no information of what the threat might even be?’ Absurd. Seems a lot of the threat traffic light system was just simply skipped here. Poor performance from ground. Actually angered me how incompetent ATC was. Emirates pilot handled it like a boss.

[@marcusphillips8064]

ATC was only passing on the information that they were given at the time

[@BobT576]

@@marcusphillips8064 sounds like ATC did not provide full details of threat "hazardous materials - let's say it in that way"

[@rumpel6625]

Seems like you are the incompetent one. ATC handled absolutely professionally and passed all the information he had.

[@aps-pictures9335]

@@marcusphillips8064 maybe the edited recording makes it seem like he’s withholding the bomb threat information until after asking the question. But even asking the question shows a massive lack of understanding of procedure. Blowing slides and full evac is a messy and dangerous procedure - people die or get badly injured. You don’t take that decision because of some ‘dangerous/hazardous materials’. You might not know - but ‘Dangerous goods’ has an entirely different meaning to ‘bomb’ in aviation. ‘Dangerous goods’ refers to items of cargo that are regularly and safely carried all of the time. Again, ATC should know this too. Regardless, those along the chain to ATC also have questions to answer, such as why such limited choppy communication and coordination was made (which allowed another full aircraft to land into an airport with a bomb threat……. And delayed priority landing decision from pilots of Emirates…). Honestly is a shambles.

[@AaronShenghao]

I would guess the ATC assumed pilots already got the information from operation via ACARS message. They don't want to startle other pilots, just like you wouldn't hear PA say it directly, it's always "code black" or something...

[@C2K777]

Not telling the flight crew they, potentially, had a bomb onboard. Knowing that information and asking said flight to take delay vectors to get another( uncompromised) plane on the ground 1st. Then asking if they want to evacuate on the field ( always a last resort for pilots) whilst still not telling them there was a bomb threat until pushed by the crew. I appreciate that this may well have been a unique event for this controller but they need to be sent back to the classroom at the VERY least along with an assessment on their ability to handle such an event ( and before anyone chimes in. Yes actually I've taken a total 3 bomb threat phone calls in my life and worked several events with suspect packages which have been upgraded to likely viable & led to mass scale evacuations of sites so I in fact do know I can handle it better than this guy). There is just way to many unacceptable events in this occurrence.

[@C2K777]

@@EdOeuna Yes Dominic I agree that in a bomb threat situation it is more likely they;d evacuate however my point was that at the point the ATC asked the flight crew if they'd like to evacuate or not he also hadn't had the decency to tell the crew it was a bomb. They were operating under 'an unknown possible hazardous material'. In which case it's much less likely they would've ordered one.

[@Ben-xe8ps]

I am assuming that this aircraft was inbound from DXB and WAW was it's intended destination. It was very close to landing. Common sense would dictate that if somebody really had put a bomb aboard that aircraft with the intention of blowing the aircraft up, the bomb would have already gone off long ago.

[@PiSkiS320]

ATC: let me land everyone before you, because after you we’re gonna close the airport… WTF! If you have a “dangerous material” you want to put that airplane on the ground NOW for obvious reasons… 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@timp1390]

each airport has designed parking areas for that exact reason. that's why he was wanting them to backtrack to avoid any potential collateral damage is it was legitimate

[@Dakota__69]

For everyone interested it wasn't until 6:17 that they were told it was a bomb. I thought I missed it, but it really did take them that long

[@7667neko]

>Do you need to evacuate? >what, why? >I don't know, uuuuh, materials?

[@captainhindsight8779]

A lot of people jumping on a bandwagon here, but if there is a bomb on board AND mention of hijacking, they will request the crew perform certain procedures such as vector/ heading change etc to determine that the cockpit is secure before divulging full info to the crew.

[@davidwebb4904]

There was no suggestion of any hijacking.

[@EdOeuna]

And the bomb on board checklist says to land ASAP and strongly suggests evacuating the aircraft.

[@davidwebb4904]

@@EdOeuna which works great when the barometric detonator activates when descending below 5000’. The aircraft blows up well clear of the airport so doesn’t disrupt other air traffic.

[@EdOeuna]

@@davidwebb4904 I’ve always thought it inconsiderate of pilots to crash in such a way that they spread debris across a wide area.

[@davidwebb4904]

@@EdOeuna maybe from an environmental perspective. If plane is destined to blow, best not do it amongst many billions of dollars worth of other airplanes and thousands of bystanders…

[@GetOutsideYourself]

You've got a bomb onboard but let's delay your landing so this Finnair flight doesn't have to divert.

[@mikedee8876]

if I was that pilot I might have asked those controllers to try to remain calm...

[@leonkernan]

Ladies and gentleman, we’ll be landing early because the plane behind us has a bomb on board. Don’t worry, we aren’t telling them that..

[@NealB123]

Epic fail by ATC. When clear thinking and communication was required, he droned on in vague references and seemed more concerned about getting other airplanes on the ground first so they could avoid the airport shutdown.

[@pangaea6united]

ppl pilots flying that part of the world have utmost professionalism when dealing with anything out of ordinary

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Threats of this kind are assessed by security experts on the ground, it’s quite possible that this bomb hoax had already been assessed as “not credible”. ATC would not normally pass this message to the flight crew, it would be from a security team with useful information. My guess would be ATC were informed of the bomb hoax as a precaution and got over excited.

[@longviewstud26]

Glad everyone was ok

[@bzqp2]

All that happened during a very tense period at Warsaw Approach. The controllers had a strike planned for a week later, at which point all 2/3 of the controllers would leave their jobs. :o

[@Boodieman72]

While a lot of criticism is going to the controller, perhaps the controller isn't getting the full picture of what's going on from their side.

[@pawii111]

There is a strike going on, so i wouldn't be surprised at all if it came from them

[@TheWabbit]

I'm sorry but I'm not a pilot and I could tell from that ATC that He had the pertinent information that There was a bomb threat that they were informed of from outside the airport, He just wasnt clear that was what was going on. It could've been the company failed to report hazardous material to the pilot or it was a bomb threat. The ATC finally gave the pilots the full story after beating around the bush, delaying the landing which sounds like its against policy to keep an airplane and over 200 passengers and crew in the air on delay vectors to allow another aircraft to land. Others have said the pilots would freak out. Pilots have more to worry about with malfunctions and 99.9% of the time don't panic keeping a plane from crashing so a called in bomb threat certainly isn't going to cause them to all of a sudden start screaming for their lives and panicking. They know the chance of having a bomb is low, still a viable threat but a low percentage one which they will follow the prescribed policy on if they know about the threat.

[@Design_no]

The controller sounded like he might be the janitor.

[@Gaspode_]

@@TheWabbit Another possibility is you think he's being deliberatly evasive becasue you are watching a video titled "Emirates B777 has Bomb Threat at Warsaw | Airport Closed", so you already know there is a bomb threat, and then project your pre-knowledge onto the actions taken as it unfolds. He might not have known, and he might have seemed evasive because he was relaying the partial information as given to him which he himself was confussed by. Unless someone here has read the report into the incident or was in the tower at the time it's really just armchair specualtion.

[@TheWabbit]

@@Gaspode_ Actually while We do agree it's all armchair quarterbacking If you look around in the comments you'll find where I gave 3 possible scenarios and how I felt it was indeed the ATC holding back info. While the title did influence me I tried to dismiss that information and just listen to the ATC and Pilot exchange. I'm by far an expert but just using listening skills and the way the ATC fumbled and looked for alternate word mostly at the beginning of the video it quite apparent ( from my armchair ) He knew it was a bomb threat from. The beginning. You did bring up valid points though!

[@aileronsintowind6835]

There is a very good reason for not informing the pilot and crew of the threat on board.. it’s to ensure that the crew remain focused and unstressed during the critical phase of flight.. They were told that their was an issue with their cargo and that they would be delayed as the airport would be closed upon landing. Anything like this takes time to organise and get ground assessments in place.

[@somebuddy8702]

I just do not get why you would withheld the info that there is potentially a bomb on board until the airplane is nearly on final. There are some strict guidelines to follow for aircrew in case of bomb threats, but in order to do that the crew needs to be aware of any threats. Had the pilots been aware of the threat they very likley would not have accepted delay vectors for other traffic and could have actually prepared for a potential evacuation. There is just no benefit in not telling the pilots. I just dont get it

[@kusamagaming7375]

In my opinion they didn't nothing wrong

[@somebuddy8702]

@@kusamagaming7375 then tell me what is the benefit of not telling the crew? What is the advantage?

[@kusamagaming7375]

@@somebuddy8702 to not cause panic to them and other aircrafts in the area

[@somebuddy8702]

@@kusamagaming7375 thats simply not how that works. if you do not want other planes to hear of a bomb threat you call emirates and let them relay the information to their crew. But the actual flight crew should at all times be aware of everything regarding their situation. As you saw after ATC actually told the pilots there is a bomb on board on frequency there was absolutley no panic. But had the pilots knew of their situation earlier they could have actually been properly prepared. i mean it is part of the selection prcoess, when applying for flight school and later part of your training to not panic in these situations. It is their job to deal with these situations. Let them do their job properly.

[@kusamagaming7375]

@@somebuddy8702 I agree with you on this one

[@pf6797]

Control: many words Emirates 177: many sads FinAir? “Bwoah”

[@opienick]

Kimi moment

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Seems they would discuss this on a dedicated comms channel so ATC could say BOMB!

[@nothinghere_mate]

Really a quick upload. I was just tracking the issue on fr24, lots of aircraft on the standby circle.

[@ptrsrrll]

Aussie pilot, Cool, but a little annoyed at ATC for not being straight up..

[@Design_no]

A little annoyed is an understatement.

[@medilyesoudhini7411]

Hazardous material can range from a Galaxy note 7 to a nuclear warhead, it's unbelievable that they took that long to inform the pilots of the nature of the threat

[@em68855]

hazard is hazard. the only option is to land.

[@7667neko]

@@em68855 Call to flight dispatcher, ask for STS/HAZMAT and carry on!

[@zakariastitou2793]

It seems like the ATC applying orders from his officer each time he speaks, he mentions his superior, even so, they didn't manage the incident professionally, it's 235 souls on board every second count and every information could help. Before the pilot accept letting the traffic go first, the ATC told him the airport will be closed for 1h I doubt he didn't have the information at this moment

[@user-kp1ei7mn3x]

The Emirates flight was delayed getting on the ground. The passengers and crew were put at risk by ATC. Procedures?

[@rizzodefrank]

An acars message could have been sent by company and negated any radio calls about it

[@tomriley5790]

Seemed a bit disorganised - ATC didn't treat it with the urgency that it required. surely get them on the ground asap and get the poeple off sort it out then, if you're going to close the airport close the airport. None of this nonsense about landing other aircraft first... Emirates crew really didn't know what was going on.

[@Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk]

Ladies and gentlemen we'll be in a holding pattern because we don't know if there's gonna be any airport to land soon

[@cornbread83]

The controller was great. Calm, cool and collective.

[@Design_no]

Lol

[@sethkaplan7503]

ATC sounded far more concerned than the pilot

[@mynintendogamingfeed5208]

Poland's transport authority really needs to peer into this - the professionalism of the controllers is very questionable from my standpoint.

[@mathildameier8340]

Not criticizing or judging.. but I was wondering about the procedure from the Warsaw ATC. I would have thought that in case of a bomb threat, the related plane would get switched to a separate channel (like in many emergency situations) - hence one controller/ATC would only have to deal with this specific situation and can speak freely (further information evidently would have helped the Emirates crew to access their situation..) and other controllers would deal with all other approaches and departures. Bomb threats are unfortunately not so rare - open question - are there procedures in place eg. by country, maybe regions (eg Europe)? Again, not criticizing here, just being curious.

[@brettpatching]

Good questions.

[@HC351]

separate channel is used only if you need to communicate constantly without interruption. Probably wasn't necessary here. It's all open air so a separate channel doesn't mean private channel.

[@Chris.Row1991]

@@HC351 I was just thinking that whilst reading some other comments about using a discreet frequency. They really only use them to reduce the number of communications so that they can speak to them uninterrupted right? I am pretty sure that being on a discreet frequency doesn't mean others still can't listen in, unless it's a special digital encoded frequency but I don't think they use those do they? I know that if I heard another aircraft being told to switch to a discreet frequency for no apparent reason, I would have my No. 2 radio on that frequency faster than the intended aircraft lol 😳🤣

[@CBikeLondon]

insane! The moment he heard about the hazardous materials onboard potentially closing the airport for 1 hour, the captain should declared emergency and got the plane on the ground. He didn't do that even after hearing the word bomb and carried on with delay vectors.

[@JansViews]

Wow! On so many levels! I personally found the ATC guy’s vagueness really irritating and would have thought there was a way of indicating that there was possibly a bomb on board in a more direct way. In an industry that uses countless abbreviations, I would have imagined there would be one for this eventuality: BOB seems like the obvious choice to me. Just saying. Kudos to the pilot for his calmness in such a potentially traumatic situation.

[@DavidShepheard]

So what happened to SZS2751? They said they had enough fuel to circle the airport for an hour, but it was closed for 2 hours.

[@purrfectidiocy]

I actually got a chance to see the plane outside the window when it was somewhere at 5:46. At first I wasn't sure why it was on that specific flight path. A day later I found out the cause via this video.

[@ismaelflores3843]

Any theories on why there were at least 4 bomb threats in 2 days of planes departing or arriving Warsaw?

[@pistonburner6448]

Theories? Come on, really? It's the pathetic Russians harassing Polish aviation due to political reasons.

[@NBT2469]

My guess is that it is related to the war between Russia and the Ukraine, at the moment.

[@fearalice]

Just say bomb/explosive if that was the information received. This vague wording to avoid saying trigger words is total insanity. This is rather vital information to withhold from the pilots.

[@christophergaff2617]

Air controller is smart information is giving out on a need to know basis and remain calm at all times

[@joeg5414]

What are you saying? That the pilot doesn't need to know?

[@thomasche]

You can tell the captain got ready for death when he heard that ATC com.

[@victoriaedwards1220]

Surely the priority aircraft is the one with the emergency. The crew would not have accepted delay vectors if the full situation was made clear to them immediately.. Approach was perhaps hamstrung by a lack of information/communication as any informed controller would not, i assume, delay getting a flight down for the convenience of another flight. . What if Finnair had landed and had an excursion effectively closing that runway and potentially the field?

[@briansavage932]

"how do we say ummm... a 'hazardous materials' on board.." *does air quotations with fingers*

[@roryoconnor4989]

hey there's a bomb on board do you mind if a regional slots in ahead of you

[@londonyes1380]

Should have written a report. Or at least an advisory note regarding the incompetent controller.

[@jackkessler1886]

This pilot sounded like he was from NZ. Pretty cool.

[@TexasVernon]

Why did the controller go on & on regarding the source of the information? What good would it do the flight crew to know who told who what? Did he expect the flight crew to say they didn't believe the info without a verified source?

[@Cyberguy42]

I noticed that too, it doesn't make any sense.

[@jonathanbott87]

I got this feeling there was someone "tying one hand behind ATC's back" and either giving him crap info or forcing him to give partial info. Doubt it'll ever be released, but would be interesting to know what was happening off the radio.

[@evertgr]

The ATC controller should have seriously concised the information provided to the crew and shortened the length of the transmissions, in my view.

[@Cyberguy42]

Agreed. That was a lot of talking to communicate very little.

[@greentom]

Does the controller know it's a bomb threat? IF so, why not just tell the pilots that? seems silly to dance around the matter. It's not like the passengers are listening.

[@insylem]

You would think vectoring that plane ahead would defeat the point of closing the airport

[@demi3115]

Apparently lots of arm chairs ATC's here :').

[@NBT2469]

I don’t have an armchair….at least, one does not do massages. Edit: I would like one, though! 🙂

[@lukasnemec144]

I belive that on the same day there were two more situations at Warsaw airport like this one. We had LOT from WAW to PRG and I belive there was one more in Gdansk or something simular. Could you please cover the situation WAW - PRG? Thank you!

[@Carl1234]

I'm surprised they didn't divert them, rather than shut their busiest airport for 1-2 hrs. If it had been due to land at Heathrow, it would have been diverted to Stansted.

[@jonathanbott87]

Urgency to land them (even despite the Finnair delay) but also 1hr endurance doesn't leave much reserve after a detour

[@bluehorseshoe9216]

What the hell. Yeah let’s keep the guy with a possible bomb on board in the air longer so someone else won’t be inconvenienced. Crazy!!!

[@kubarybaczyk6450]

Recently there are lots of bomb thereats both on polish aircraft as well as at polish airports :/

[@purplehaze8557]

Any idea why Poland is being targeted?

[@magezt]

@@purplehaze8557 isn't it obvious?

[@siesaw1]

@@magezt russia if i were to guess, right?

[@kubarybaczyk6450]

A guess would be it might be some kind of destabilization effort with the war raging behind our eastern border

[@Blast6926]

Might be coming from Belarus's leader

[@joeg5414]

Why did the airport need to be closed for an hour after a bomb threat to a specific airplane? I worked in airfield management years ago and can't think of any reason why a full hour is necessary.

[@victoriaregina8344]

Fun air freight fact: i was trying to buy some empty ammunition cans from china and the shipper told me that they need to take sea freight. Apparently you can't ship any metal boxes with dangerous markings even if they are totally empty 😂

[@ehmha3641]

Wasn't there a similar incident with a Wizz air flight departing from Gdansk last week?

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

Sounded like the controller said 'actions,' not 'agents'.

[@virginiaviola5097]

Aussie pilot 🦘🦘🦘 that must have been a bit nerve wracking, but I had to laugh when he was asked what they would need on the ground, and I was thinking exactly what the pilot said..how can they know what they’ll need when they don’t know what’s wrong..that was a bit bonkers.

[@麻吉-h5b]

Im so addicted to listen atc

[@garthcox4]

Wouldn't it have been easier to say bomb threat or security warning? The skirting around the issue seemed pointless

[@ItalasLT]

ATC said "actions", not "agents". :)

[@glax2174]

06:23 I am missing the translation of the last part... "... you have a bomb on board. Simply word[put]. Bomb on board. I [...] not idiot..." You can tell that the is upset that he isn't technically allowed (or explicitly prohibited) to put it that way.

[@aafkevanechtelt780]

Wich app do you use?

[@classicamusementparks]

Pilot: Uh, ya, I have a number for you to cop---You know sumpn what? Just come on down once we're on the ground, and be ready. ATC: What? Pilot: Be ready.

[@snowsnoot]

Kimi was driving the Finnair